**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 02:59:57 2011 Aug 07 03:00:35 I believe so Aug 07 03:00:40 I've never used the tp app Aug 07 03:00:47 no I mean from a desktop Aug 07 03:00:51 not sure Aug 07 03:00:56 only used the mobile app Aug 07 03:01:01 so how do you know that you like it Aug 07 03:01:02 oh Aug 07 03:01:07 on your pre2? Aug 07 03:01:56 yep Aug 07 03:02:02 it is very nice I think Aug 07 03:02:10 what? there's an enyo app patrick hasn't tried on his pre2 yet? Aug 07 03:02:17 I did Aug 07 03:02:20 don't work Aug 07 03:02:22 :) Aug 07 03:04:26 roy-pre101: :D Aug 07 03:04:40 kesne: D: Aug 07 03:04:47 D: Aug 07 03:04:50 :D Aug 07 03:05:02 >:P Aug 07 03:05:46 DAMN YOU IE9/10 for not supporting transitions! Aug 07 03:07:15 "Image quality nowhere near app preview image. Blurry, lack of focus, laggy, dark. This should come free with webOS. Better app name would be Beer Goggles." Aug 07 03:08:00 Wait I am reading 10 does hmm Aug 07 03:08:44 mmmmmmmm i love red poker felt Aug 07 03:09:25 something about it just screams awesome Aug 07 03:11:05 what'd I miss? Aug 07 03:11:08 well maybe IE10 beta 3 will get things working properly... Aug 07 03:11:19 time to run in safari Aug 07 03:11:32 Choromium FTW! Aug 07 03:12:06 lol wut! Aug 07 03:12:17 * PatrickC uses Chromium Aug 07 03:12:24 open source Chrome Aug 07 03:12:26 Chrome is a failhard product... oy Aug 07 03:12:30 * CTLAdvance walks away from this Aug 07 03:12:44 I like Chromium more then Safari Aug 07 03:13:08 Yeah safari was somewhat laggy, though I think they fixed that in the last update I installed Aug 07 03:13:15 it has a javascript dev console.. does Safari? Aug 07 03:16:08 B-whaaaaaaa? http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-TouchPad-9.7in-16GB-Wi-Fi-WebOS-Tablet/310336733970 Aug 07 03:16:23 I think we know where all the 16GB touchpads in the US went. Aug 07 03:16:24 Ebay. Aug 07 03:16:42 haha Aug 07 03:17:15 Yes, actually safari has a pretty intense developer console Aug 07 03:17:27 it just needs to be enabled on the advanced tab in settings Aug 07 03:17:27 really? Aug 07 03:17:31 yes Aug 07 03:17:35 I'll have to check out the update then Aug 07 03:18:15 well this has been here forever Aug 07 03:18:21 but it seems faster on load times Aug 07 03:18:41 that's what I need with my current laptop Aug 07 03:30:37 hopefully within the next week, I'll have box.net working :D Aug 07 03:30:55 No where on box.nets sites does it say that you are the sole owner of content that u upload Aug 07 03:31:02 has anyone seen this on their site Aug 07 03:31:12 I dont see it in the terms or privacy policy Aug 07 03:31:14 hmm Aug 07 03:31:32 really? hmm.. Aug 07 03:35:13 I assume you still solely own your content and they claim no stake in it Aug 07 03:35:21 however it is not up there anywhere Aug 07 03:35:28 that I can find Aug 07 03:40:42 ah yes the pc interface lets you select multiple files Aug 07 03:48:04 Anyone on know if enyo's Sound control will stream audio? or will it just try to download it all and then play? Aug 07 03:53:09 looks like I'll probably be getting a mac for school :D Aug 07 03:53:17 gonna take an Obj. C class Aug 07 03:59:27 Or does enyo.Sound just not work on the emulator? :x Aug 07 03:59:45 i'm not sure if sounds have ever worked on the emulator Aug 07 03:59:53 I'm hearing UI sounds Aug 07 03:59:59 hmmm Aug 07 04:00:09 not sure if that counts or not :) Aug 07 04:00:12 but those would be compiled C code, not interpreted enyo/jscript/html code Aug 07 04:01:13 but yeah, I just tried to play a 200kB sample .mp3 using their code example method and it says it succeeded but i hear nothing Aug 07 04:01:33 So yeah, the emulator makes like it's playing sound, but it really isn't. Aug 07 04:02:00 though Virtualbox certainly does tie up the ALSA sound system Aug 07 04:03:30 but I guess if sounds have never really worked right *anyways* on the emulator, I shouldn't be overly concerned. Aug 07 04:18:08 sound never worked on emu Aug 07 04:18:22 emulator is horrible Aug 07 04:22:17 they fixed sound on the emu iirc Aug 07 04:57:04 wildn video poker HD submitted for review Aug 07 04:57:30 updating phone version now Aug 07 05:14:15 updated Aug 07 05:14:21 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Aug 07 07:26:20 hi Aug 07 07:40:14 Yesss Aug 07 09:02:02 Hrm. Have surprised the mate at Google by pointing him to the Amazon tablets bestsellers list. Aug 07 09:02:59 I mean the numbers would be a piss in the bucket compared to all the Android devices that are being moved, but it is interesting nonetheless. Aug 07 09:03:21 I'd also find TouchPad vs Playbook figures interesting to see. Aug 07 09:16:40 link? Aug 07 09:17:43 hello super awesome devs!! Aug 07 09:35:04 hotdp: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3063224011/ Aug 07 09:35:27 16GB TouchPad is #2, 32GB #5. Aug 07 09:44:25 Hendikins: thanks is there any numbers? Aug 07 09:44:40 I wish. Aug 07 09:44:55 The rankings on the list alone are interesting to me though. Aug 07 09:45:26 the rating is good too Aug 07 09:53:33 the woot.com sold about 600 apparently Aug 07 10:07:50 * Hendikins nods Aug 07 10:10:57 I'm still waiting for Hardly Normal to get some demo units, at which point I'll decide whether or not I'll get one in from Amazon. Aug 07 10:16:00 hi Aug 07 10:18:09 rwhitby: is 600 much for woot? Aug 07 10:24:47 dunno Aug 07 10:27:34 It is certainly amusing watching the doomsayers vs the optimists. Aug 07 10:29:53 I think it would be unreasonable to expect the TouchPad to outsell either the iPad or the collective total of Android devices. But not doing that is not in and of itself a failure. Aug 07 10:30:31 HP is only shooting for third at the moment. Aug 07 10:31:48 3rd is better than none :) Aug 07 10:32:11 Being realistic, it is too early for them to be looking at anything but third. Aug 07 10:32:47 agreed Aug 07 10:32:49 But if third comes with good sales and can sustain a developer community, then third is a success. Aug 07 10:33:01 there is no such thing as failure Aug 07 10:33:18 MS Kin? Aug 07 10:33:21 i would be happy with 3rd Aug 07 10:33:41 ms kin=experiment? Aug 07 10:33:51 look at wm7 Aug 07 10:34:06 hasnt that inherited 'some' of the kin stuff iirc? Aug 07 10:34:58 Failure is always an option, but I don't think we're heading there. Aug 07 10:35:35 bbl Aug 07 10:37:31 And... I really do think right now the Playbook is the most relevant thing to be comparing to. Aug 07 10:41:41 the playbook ? Aug 07 10:41:58 RIM's tablet. Aug 07 10:42:12 yep, that Aug 07 10:42:20 is the enterprise competition Aug 07 10:42:42 I'd also call it the competition for #3 at this point. Aug 07 10:43:07 Is WM7 even on any tablets? Aug 07 10:46:06 wp7 doesn't run on any tablet: ms said the tablet os would be windows 8, not wp anyway Aug 07 10:46:41 well, much like the touchpack, the playbook was rushed onto the market.. Aug 07 10:49:02 I dare say the devices have a few things in common. Aug 07 10:49:17 ? Aug 07 10:50:06 touchpad* Aug 07 10:50:50 TouchPad/Playbook. Aug 07 10:51:50 A bit rushed, run their own OS, and by companies that are big in enterprise (albeit for different reasons) Aug 07 10:52:06 and make a big flop.. Aug 07 10:52:20 Remains to be seen. Aug 07 10:52:34 up to now it is.. Aug 07 10:52:55 And the WebOS Internals guys certainly do a good job of making it more palatable. Aug 07 10:53:07 but seeing the touchpad is more expensive than the ipad 2 it isn't really surprising.. Aug 07 10:54:53 How many people are buying it at RRP though? Aug 07 10:55:05 Close to zero, I would imagine. Aug 07 10:55:43 rrp ? Aug 07 10:55:56 I dare say any sales at RRP are simply cream for HP. Aug 07 10:57:41 RRP = Recommended Retail Price. Aug 07 10:57:51 * Hendikins is working a train, responses may be a bit erratic. Aug 07 10:58:43 right Aug 07 10:59:50 when I heard about the discounted price, i said "why not"... and there was nothing in france.. just the high price. Which turns out to be higher than the iPad2.. This cannot work this way. Aug 07 11:00:10 why releasing it in France and totally forget about it ? Aug 07 11:00:35 reminds me of the pre's release Aug 07 11:01:40 The RRP in Australia is about $200 higher than the cost of importing it from Amazon. Aug 07 11:02:07 well, I won't import things of such high price.. Aug 07 11:02:14 Not sure what is with that, or how long it will last. Aug 07 11:03:02 (Well it is a mixture of American discounting, cross the Pacific tax and our high exchange rate, but still) Aug 07 11:03:47 I'll import anything if it makes sense to do it. Aug 07 11:04:02 Hendikins: import will add taxes Aug 07 11:04:28 But its sad that they only lower the price in USA, and not EU Aug 07 11:05:09 well, the post office lost lots of packages for me, with no way to have the money returned Aug 07 11:05:17 so I won't import anything of that high price Aug 07 11:05:28 not to mention warranty, return back costs,.. Aug 07 11:05:53 hotdp: Not for me. Anything under 1000AUD doesn't attract GST/duty. Aug 07 11:06:32 Incidentally, this is related to why I flat refuse to purchase it from the retailer who has an exclusive on it here. Aug 07 11:06:38 anyway, seeing you need to import it to have acceptable prices really limits the target audience, don't you think ? Aug 07 11:07:09 Hendikins: wow! nice, here is like everything above 100$ :S Aug 07 11:08:22 hotdp: One of the guys who founded Harvey Norman (which has the exclusive in AU) is very vocal about getting that reduced or eliminated. Aug 07 11:08:42 nice Aug 07 11:08:52 we don't have any within EU. Aug 07 11:08:55 So I won't purchase there on principle, because that reads to me as "We'd rather have imports taxed than compete" Aug 07 11:13:11 Thing is though, even with tax and duty it would still be cheaper to import than buy locally. Aug 07 11:15:12 For arguments sake, if the threshold was 0, it would raise the price of a 500AUD import to around 572.50 depending on the unit cost/postage split. The RRP here is 699 (32GB). Aug 07 12:47:58 morning Aug 07 12:50:44 morning PatrickC Aug 07 12:52:45 hey hotdp Aug 07 13:10:00 how can i edit thread title on precentral Aug 07 13:13:10 whiteout and a sharpie Aug 07 13:13:25 or, edit the original post and "Go Advanced" Aug 07 13:14:43 i thought i did that one time and it only changed the title of my post. Aug 07 13:15:55 i actually don't even need to do it right now. mayb in a few days Aug 07 13:17:35 update submitted, wildn for touchpad coming soon: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps/288944-announcing-wildn-video-poker-webos-now-available-app-catalog-99-a.html#post3057826 Aug 07 13:17:43 bbs shower Aug 07 13:20:18 fxspec06: awesome Aug 07 13:22:52 if that doesn't work, do the whiteout and sharpie method. Aug 07 13:23:02 or, contact precentral and have them change it Aug 07 13:24:21 huh? Aug 07 14:06:45 so how long can i expect my touchpad uirevision: 2 app to take to submit? Aug 07 14:06:53 3 weeks? .. Aug 07 14:07:20 that depends, how much chocolate have you sent to adora? Aug 07 14:07:31 i tweeted her last night Aug 07 14:07:38 i can send her some flowers. Aug 07 14:07:48 and i can ask her out to dinner Aug 07 14:07:54 but she may be a lil creeped out by that Aug 07 14:08:27 i would think it would go rather quickly. i would imagine it's an app that HP would want on the TP ASAP Aug 07 14:12:56 what is the app? Aug 07 14:13:13 wild'n video poker Aug 07 14:13:23 (hd) Aug 07 14:13:51 why would you imagine it's an app that is a priority to HP? Aug 07 14:14:42 it's a top app imo Aug 07 14:14:57 but you're not biased of course ;) Aug 07 14:15:01 lol Aug 07 14:15:18 I asked why *they* would consider it a top priority for the app catalog/ Aug 07 14:16:21 (BTW, 3 weeks is excessive - I would suspect it has been lost in that timeframe) Aug 07 14:17:38 it's not an app that would be a sole reason to buy a touchpad, but i believe it would make it more appealing Aug 07 14:17:56 and there's not many great touchpad games ATM, as far as i know of Aug 07 14:18:00 as would most other apps. otherwise people wouldn't write them. Aug 07 14:18:40 just wondering what it is which makes you think someone would work on a sunday just to approve your app .. Aug 07 14:19:24 i didn't mean that. i was just curious how long the submission process was taking Aug 07 14:19:38 i was told by someone on palm forums that it could take 3 weeks Aug 07 14:19:54 i'm wondering what other people are seeing Aug 07 14:20:00 it probably could. it could take 3 hours too. Aug 07 14:20:37 all of my updates have gone through in 1 to 3 days Aug 07 14:20:51 (working days that is, not weekend days) Aug 07 14:21:03 that's good to hear Aug 07 14:21:24 sometimes i forget HP doesn't work weekends. i usually keep going on weekends Aug 07 14:21:29 but sending chocolates to Lisa can't hurt. Aug 07 14:21:34 lol Aug 07 14:22:27 seriously, unless you have a top 10 downloads app on webOS or some other platform, making millions of dollars per month, a personal connection is your best chance of getting an expedited review. Aug 07 14:22:50 do not underestimate the power of someone knowing who you are. Aug 07 14:23:10 as opposed to just being an email address out of tens of thousands of other developers. Aug 07 14:23:32 thanks Aug 07 14:23:43 i'll keep that in mind moving forward Aug 07 14:24:14 * rwhitby bbt Aug 07 14:41:26 Hey folks, in enyo do I include an app icon with my package? Aug 07 14:41:59 question: I have a search field for searching through a list of notes. if the user types multiple words in the search field, what's the best way of handling? Aug 07 14:42:03 stri8ed: yes Aug 07 14:42:25 1) require the search to match the entire string "my three words" Aug 07 14:42:40 Is there any docs on where/how to include the icon? Aug 07 14:42:48 2) require the search to match all three words "my" AND "three" and "words" Aug 07 14:43:06 it's the "icon": parameter in your appinfo.json just like mojo Aug 07 14:43:26 3) some combination of the above... ? Aug 07 14:43:37 ok cool. Thanks Aug 07 14:44:52 i would separate the string by " " Aug 07 14:45:08 yer Aug 07 14:45:11 and check each against a switch Aug 07 14:45:39 or loop. so i pick #2 Aug 07 14:46:11 that would leave more flexibility for later i believe Aug 07 15:16:48 Question: what sized icons do I need to prepare for my app to submit it? Aug 07 15:19:48 48 x 48 Aug 07 15:19:54 64 x 64 Aug 07 15:21:46 So the biggest size I will ever need is 64x64? Aug 07 15:22:56 i would make at least 128 x 128 if i were you Aug 07 15:23:47 or even 256. just to have it. but right now as far as i know 64 is the max Aug 07 15:23:56 ah ok Aug 07 15:24:04 where is the 48 one used? Aug 07 15:24:13 that's used in pre launcher Aug 07 15:24:22 and 64 is app cat Aug 07 15:24:29 and touchpad launcher. i think Aug 07 15:24:49 for a touchpad app is that is neccesry (48) one? Aug 07 15:25:02 i jus submitted a mojo uiRevision: 2 app and 64 was highest Aug 07 15:25:08 both are necessary Aug 07 15:25:20 it won't let you continue submitting until you give them both Aug 07 15:25:48 alright Aug 07 15:25:50 thanks Aug 07 15:28:15 64 is the launcher icon Aug 07 15:28:18 48 is app catalog Aug 07 15:31:51 you can also use a 32x32 and 16x16 for dashboard and banner messages Aug 07 15:34:01 nice Aug 07 15:34:04 i had no idea! Aug 07 15:35:29 smallicon: and miniicon: in appinfo.json Aug 07 15:38:05 lame, the box.net service is read only Aug 07 15:50:15 holy crap. villo cloud storage. actually. works. Aug 07 15:50:29 wow Aug 07 15:50:53 an array of 75 objects. backed up and retrieved flawlessly Aug 07 16:00:56 what kind of objects? Aug 07 16:01:27 int's. but they can be anything Aug 07 16:01:45 it takes an object and stringify's it Aug 07 16:02:05 i'm working on destringifying it right now. but the data is there Aug 07 16:02:29 oki Aug 07 16:05:31 i'm amazed. it's very easy too Aug 07 16:10:18 and omg. i retrieved it. and stats are back the way it was. it's like i'm two years old again Aug 07 17:09:38 good morning folks! Aug 07 17:09:45 er, damn... afternoon Aug 07 17:09:46 hah Aug 07 17:16:39 hola Aug 07 17:17:40 are there any enyo methods for emitting events? Aug 07 17:18:38 there are Aug 07 17:18:55 look at the docs for enyo.component Aug 07 17:20:25 anywho, looks like beach time for me before long drive back up to sunnyvale Aug 07 17:20:54 noooooo Aug 07 17:20:58 i know about component events Aug 07 17:21:00 thats not what i want Aug 07 17:21:10 i meant more like node EventEmitter Aug 07 18:01:48 anyone know which video codecs the touchpad supports? Aug 07 18:02:10 my friend wants to stream blu-ray rips on his network, but isn't sure if the format is supported Aug 07 18:16:44 hey does anyone know how to clear the history of an iframe in enyo? Aug 07 18:24:40 GrandmaAdora ??? Aug 07 18:49:12 how do you clear the history of an iframe in enyo? Aug 07 19:02:45 diovq: sorry i don't know Aug 07 19:02:50 kense: YO Aug 07 19:04:39 it's it kesne Aug 07 19:04:48 s/it's/isn't Aug 07 19:05:05 damn. >.< Aug 07 19:05:07 It is kesne Aug 07 19:05:08 kesne* Aug 07 19:05:21 your cloud storage is amazing yo yo yo Aug 07 19:05:51 Have you looked at it? Aug 07 19:06:01 i got it working Aug 07 19:06:33 Nice! Aug 07 19:06:36 it's...... perfect Aug 07 19:06:57 Also, you can use instant: true when retrieving to grab it faster Aug 07 19:07:12 nice i'll try that. but it's pretty damn fast as is Aug 07 19:07:29 Yeah, haha, true Aug 07 19:07:38 But, instant makes it only use local storage Aug 07 19:07:43 webchat onfreenode works pretty swell on touchpad. Assuming wirc for touchpad is not out yet Aug 07 19:07:44 So no cloud syncing Aug 07 19:07:55 i just backed up my phone game right... 75 stats plus 6 other variables Aug 07 19:08:00 of course if you want the cloud stuff, don't turn on instant. Aug 07 19:08:10 then i logged into my villo on pc w/ touchpad emu... retrieved.... and Aug 07 19:08:24 BOOM! all the stats i've worked hard earning, right there Aug 07 19:08:58 i can move from device to device to device. everywhere i go my game is right there Aug 07 19:09:07 That's the idea of it Aug 07 19:09:15 i know. it's awesome Aug 07 19:09:28 I love it Aug 07 19:09:29 in case you didn't know Aug 07 19:10:03 are there beta feeds for preware? I don't see many touchpad apps in there. Aug 07 19:44:08 I noticed a jump in downloads yesterday Aug 07 19:44:24 definitely because of the $100 rebate/$200 off @ Staples Aug 07 19:44:54 I need webGL on the touchpad Aug 07 20:09:25 twbbas: you got a min? Aug 07 20:09:42 dohtem: Yeah, what's up? Aug 07 20:09:50 pm? Aug 07 20:09:53 sure Aug 07 20:18:47 O.o just checked the Staples I went to yesterday to buy 2 32GB TouchPads Aug 07 20:18:52 they are now out of stock :o Aug 07 20:20:25 how many touchpads do you need Aug 07 20:20:36 those are expensive frisbees Aug 07 20:20:46 i guess you can use them as magik movers too Aug 07 20:21:00 or clipboards Aug 07 20:21:01 =p Aug 07 20:21:04 1 is for me and 1 is for my brother -.- Aug 07 20:21:13 don't you have 3 already Aug 07 20:21:18 and I have a loaner I gotta send back soon Aug 07 20:21:23 nope 3 total Aug 07 20:21:36 $400 for 32GB is cheaper than dev discount =\ Aug 07 20:21:37 why would you need two more then? Aug 07 20:21:42 lol you're confused Aug 07 20:21:49 I had 1 (loaner) before yesterday Aug 07 20:21:54 yesterday I bought 2 Aug 07 20:21:58 yeah Aug 07 20:21:59 yeah Aug 07 20:22:00 I only have 3 right now Aug 07 20:22:03 yeah Aug 07 20:22:05 ok Aug 07 20:22:15 lol and Aug 07 20:22:15 my brother's currently down in the ocean somewhere in a sub Aug 07 20:22:21 so I got one for him while the deal was going Aug 07 20:22:31 ya but u said Aug 07 20:22:42 u went there yesterday and they were out of stock Aug 07 20:22:49 or they are now out of stock Aug 07 20:22:49 out of stock of 16s yesterday Aug 07 20:22:54 out of stock of 32s today Aug 07 20:23:03 I got 2 32s yesterday Aug 07 20:23:20 CONFUSING Aug 07 20:23:27 the way you first said it lead me to believe that you went there to buy two more and they were out of stock Aug 07 20:23:36 ok Aug 07 20:23:38 and i knew you had 3 already lol Aug 07 20:23:49 ohhh Aug 07 20:23:50 I see Aug 07 20:23:53 I just re-read it Aug 07 20:23:54 :) Aug 07 20:24:07 this English language :\ Aug 07 20:24:08 what a crappy day today Aug 07 20:24:21 I can't get a horizontal scroller to work to save my life Aug 07 20:24:28 what's crappy about your day? Aug 07 20:24:32 i can do it in mojo Aug 07 20:24:34 ; ) Aug 07 20:24:36 Same in mojo Aug 07 20:24:41 but enyo owns me Aug 07 20:24:57 I actually have a sweet app that's 90% complete in mojo Aug 07 20:25:01 my knee hurts, i'm coldsweating, we had pouring rain this morning and now it's burning hot.... Aug 07 20:25:04 but stopped work on it to make the touchpad app Aug 07 20:25:11 i can't keep my body temp the same Aug 07 20:25:14 :o Aug 07 20:25:47 so i got cloud backup done but just barely and i haven't worked in 3 hours. i think i'm taking the rest of the day off Aug 07 20:26:16 good idea Aug 07 20:30:31 what's a good Windows diff tool? Aug 07 20:30:46 I use WinMerge but I wanna try something else Aug 07 20:31:08 hrm this hotnready was hot, but i had to wait 5 minutes so it wasnt really ready.. Aug 07 20:33:46 akanster, install git Aug 07 20:33:53 it comes with all the good linux tools Aug 07 20:34:46 I need cygwin for that right? Aug 07 20:45:05 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/d/d0/Tide_2011-07-08_164058.png Aug 07 20:46:01 do I see cut/copy/paste there? Aug 07 20:46:05 :) Aug 07 20:46:11 ya Aug 07 20:46:16 its only via toolbar right now Aug 07 20:46:27 to tap+hold or keyboard shortcuts yet Aug 07 20:47:08 shrunk the toolbar a little too Aug 07 20:47:14 I like that Aug 07 20:49:28 i hope ben figures out why the TP mono fonts are not mono at all sizes Aug 07 21:14:38 Anyone know how to transfer Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit game progress data between TouchPads? Aug 07 21:14:58 I've completed all but 1 race and don't want to start over :( Aug 07 21:18:52 * PatrickC wanders in and waves to kesne Aug 07 21:18:56 Who Aug 07 21:19:00 whoa Aug 07 21:19:01 dar Aug 07 21:19:13 what? lol Aug 07 21:22:41 Prethemer down? Aug 07 21:44:12 new version of Tide is out Aug 07 21:44:34 cool Aug 07 21:44:59 man, you have been cranking out those tide's :) Aug 07 21:45:48 I should be ordering my tp this week, for real this time Aug 07 21:45:58 want to get it into a catalog worth state asap Aug 07 21:46:28 is this a catalog app? Aug 07 21:46:37 i can be Aug 07 21:46:37 figured it was a preware only app Aug 07 21:46:55 the service just couldnt be unjailed Aug 07 21:47:04 ah Aug 07 21:47:10 im new to enyo and js but i want to know how i can create my own function and assign it to something for example the onBack of an iframe Aug 07 21:47:13 could always fix that with a patch Aug 07 21:47:31 yep Aug 07 21:47:35 why do people have so many iframe questions Aug 07 21:47:46 idk.. Aug 07 21:48:43 PuffTheMagic: it works on the pre2 now :) Aug 07 21:48:53 iframes? Aug 07 21:49:02 or tide? Aug 07 21:49:02 tide Aug 07 21:49:06 what did u change? Aug 07 21:49:11 nothing Aug 07 21:49:18 just updated to 0.0.22 Aug 07 21:49:26 letters are always caps though.. Aug 07 21:49:30 what does that even look like Aug 07 21:49:57 want a screenshot(s)? Aug 07 21:50:01 what scenes? Aug 07 21:50:10 what of* Aug 07 21:50:24 the main sceen Aug 07 21:50:40 does setAttribute('x-palm-disable-auto-cap',true) not work on a pre2 w/ enyo? Aug 07 21:50:57 idk, I'll check the logs Aug 07 21:51:48 i doubt its in the logs Aug 07 21:51:50 im just saying Aug 07 21:51:58 it was all caps on the TP before i added that Aug 07 21:51:58 screen in portrait http://www.box.net/shared/qjz8s88b5z078r72lg5r Aug 07 21:52:02 and now it works Aug 07 21:52:06 so idk why it wouldnt work for you Aug 07 21:52:15 I'll do a landscape screenshot Aug 07 21:52:46 PatrickC, so u cant even see the mode switcher huh Aug 07 21:53:04 mode switcher? Aug 07 21:53:08 lol Aug 07 21:53:09 like for language? http://www.box.net/shared/fc8xotutlh2fe1ecapb5 Aug 07 21:53:16 there should be a drop down in the uppper right Aug 07 21:53:20 there's a landscape screenshot Aug 07 21:53:36 which u can alsmost see in landscape Aug 07 21:53:37 to choose what language you are writing? you need landscape for that Aug 07 21:53:42 yep Aug 07 21:53:48 thats pretty funny Aug 07 21:53:50 filepicker doesn't work Aug 07 21:53:55 (didn't expect it to) Aug 07 21:54:00 ya screen too small Aug 07 21:54:20 it won't let you pick files, the enyo is not compatible with phones yet Aug 07 21:55:25 oh the node services part Aug 07 21:55:31 ? Aug 07 21:55:49 Filepicker: http://www.box.net/shared/mg9hle6j0m3esp41ssqy and http://www.box.net/shared/l3c434su2ky8cp01gxlo Aug 07 21:56:02 just get a spinning thing that doesn't stop spinning Aug 07 21:56:11 why are u box.net these thing Aug 07 21:56:16 they should go on omploader Aug 07 21:56:24 omploader? Aug 07 21:56:38 ya Aug 07 21:56:40 * PatrickC searches preware Aug 07 21:56:43 "i hacked your app to work on my phone and it doesnt work" Aug 07 21:56:45 I think I've seen it Aug 07 21:56:47 heh Aug 07 21:56:55 oil: no hacking required Aug 07 21:57:04 PatrickC, seems like the service isnt working Aug 07 21:57:08 * oil doesnt believe that your phone came with enyo installed Aug 07 21:57:24 oil: it didn't, but all I did was include a folder Aug 07 21:59:17 PuffTheMagic: omploader doesn't work but with images, fyi. and you have the uploader set to allow all files Aug 07 22:00:13 it does work with images Aug 07 22:00:24 I know it works with images Aug 07 22:00:25 but i didnt mean to use the shitty app i made Aug 07 22:00:29 it works with all files Aug 07 22:00:31 but it doesn't work with files Aug 07 22:00:35 it didn't for me.. Aug 07 22:00:43 well the app sucks Aug 07 22:00:46 lol Aug 07 22:00:47 just use the web interface Aug 07 22:01:34 web interface doesn't work on webOS Aug 07 22:01:50 I'll use it for pics (seems easier) and box for everything else :) Aug 07 22:05:27 who bought their touchpad this weekend at staples with the 2 coupons? I have questions!! :D Aug 07 22:06:55 NuttyBunny: lol Aug 07 22:07:02 ORDER THRU ADAM! :P Aug 07 22:08:30 Adam: $324. Discounts: $299 Aug 07 22:08:38 PuffTheMagic: I'll work on fixing the save/load and report back Aug 07 22:08:47 324?! Aug 07 22:09:09 I have $389! and I get the loyalty! lol Aug 07 22:09:22 really? for the 16gb one? Aug 07 22:09:38 32gb, I mean the 16gb one Aug 07 22:09:43 yep Aug 07 22:10:00 if you are brown w/ loyalty its $389 and some change Aug 07 22:10:12 how come iframe is opening in new card Aug 07 22:10:14 $389.35 Aug 07 22:10:17 >.> Aug 07 22:10:27 everyone uses iframe! what is that haha Aug 07 22:10:45 PatrickC: goooooooogle. Aug 07 22:10:55 that's not fun though Aug 07 22:11:03 lmgtfy is Aug 07 22:11:31 you ask questions that could be solved by google easily so people will send you lmgtfy links? Aug 07 22:12:25 no one ever gives me lmgtfy links but funkatron Aug 07 22:13:36 does the touchpad even support iframes ? Aug 07 22:13:55 lol that sounds like such a dumb question to ask. Aug 07 22:14:10 of course Aug 07 22:16:27 I use lmgtfy, I love to use it :D Aug 07 22:17:53 lol Aug 07 22:18:06 why does my dynamic iframe keep opening a browser window. Aug 07 22:18:17 as soon as it's created Aug 07 22:18:24 fxspec06: you got a tp? Aug 07 22:18:36 no! i don't and i never will Aug 07 22:18:42 if i did everyone here would know Aug 07 22:19:15 why won't u? Aug 07 22:19:32 you could probably be a green belt (I would hope) Aug 07 22:19:39 so 25% off Aug 07 22:20:56 PatrickC: i don't have the money to buy anything Aug 07 22:21:08 please stop asking Aug 07 22:21:17 ok.. Aug 07 22:22:37 * NuttyBunny cheats on Shenmue 2, gamefaqs, gimme power Aug 07 22:48:44 aaaand... I couldn't join $300 TP land this time.. oh well ... the 3G one will be then :D Aug 07 23:38:04 NuttyBunny: me either i had to go $399 for 32gb Aug 07 23:38:18 no local stores in NY or NJ have 16gb Aug 07 23:38:29 most said they never carried the 16gb Aug 08 00:12:09 audiofx: yep, I read about that... they wouldn't want to honor both discounts to my friend, so they were trying to sell him the 32gb for 499 :P Aug 08 00:19:43 Hmm. Is there a way to push the 3.0.2 patch to a touchpad by USB instead of over wifi? Aug 08 00:20:15 nope. you can doctor that way, but not OTA Aug 08 00:20:16 audiofx: Technically, the coupon did say "Only valid if sent directly from Staples" Aug 08 00:20:46 I'm sure if you actually received the coupon from staples and printed out the entire email vs just the image, they would honor it Aug 08 00:25:53 Shadyman1: You didn't read well, audiofx got his 32Gb one for 399, he applied both :) Aug 08 00:26:08 yes i sure did Aug 08 00:26:21 but i would have much rather gotten the 16gb for 299 Aug 08 00:26:26 0 use for the space for me Aug 08 00:27:10 audiofx: I was shooting for the same, but I depended on a friend who couldn't go to check it till today :( Aug 08 00:27:35 I shall go for the 3G model with dev discount :) Aug 08 00:28:11 nice Aug 08 00:28:20 i havent really played much with it Aug 08 00:28:37 i mean webos is nice, just hope for larger uerbase and more apps Aug 08 00:28:45 to really grab me away from my ipad 2 Aug 08 00:29:16 we're working on the apps :P Aug 08 00:29:44 i feel if it werent for the sprint exclusive release of the pre it would have had a much better chance :) Aug 08 00:30:32 wonder what the dev discount price will be for an unlocked 3G model. Aug 08 00:32:28 dont need more apps, just key apps. netflix. hulu. spotify. rdio. Aug 08 00:33:59 http://www.beatweek.com/news/8910-doa-hp-touchpad-dies-webos-death-before-apples-lawyers-can-kill-it/ Aug 08 00:37:07 fxspec06, "comments are closed" Aug 08 00:37:11 hey IGNTNUNLMTD Aug 08 00:37:21 hey, whaddup? Aug 08 00:37:43 nothin', seeing how everyone bashes webOS Aug 08 00:37:52 rwatkins: i'd like a tablet sized irc app :) Aug 08 00:38:15 audiofx: I thought there was a testing wIRC... Aug 08 00:38:53 i dunno i grabbed wirc form preware it ran in emulator type mode Aug 08 00:38:54 wirc mojo works great on tp Aug 08 00:39:13 audiofx: I'm sure thats on the very top of everyone else' list that decides to buy an ipad instead. Aug 08 00:39:22 and wirc enyo is in the works Aug 08 00:39:28 bash bash bash, except the Touch FUCKING OUTSOLD everything this weekend Aug 08 00:39:49 haters gonna hate like usual, but it's baseless Aug 08 00:39:56 funny how a 40% discount will make something outsell for a couple days. Aug 08 00:39:59 rwatkins: good point Aug 08 00:39:59 ^ Aug 08 00:40:48 fxspec06: Wow. Trolololls at beatweek Aug 08 00:41:00 They probably get paid by Apple :P Aug 08 00:41:13 audiofx: the version of wirc in the testing feeds at least fulscreens mojo Aug 08 00:41:50 "Comments are closed"...? That guy isn't a journalist... he's a fucking coward. Aug 08 00:42:01 IGNTNUNLMTD: a friend of mine had a point... we don't know EXACTLY how many 16Gb touchpads did Staples have Aug 08 00:42:21 I'm not only talking about retail, chief Aug 08 00:42:23 rwhitby: why "biased" and not just "negative"? Aug 08 00:42:24 Amazon Aug 08 00:42:53 NuttyBunny: Not a lot, likely, compared to Bestbuy. Aug 08 00:43:11 people love to hate on webOS because it's easy to hate on with little ramification Aug 08 00:43:17 ^ Aug 08 00:43:27 more than likely none of them have actually EVER TOUCHED THE OS Aug 08 00:43:55 heh, copycats of the old-ass reviews Aug 08 00:44:04 exactly Aug 08 00:44:22 once, not IF, but once webOS is really cruising, those people are going to feel stupid as fuck Aug 08 00:44:31 like the people who said the iPhone would bomb Aug 08 00:44:52 worthless journalists who know nothing about the industry they pretend to be in the know of Aug 08 00:44:57 Shadyman1: they are GOP Aug 08 00:44:59 like our good friend Jason Perlow Aug 08 00:45:00 uh, no. they'll just have moved on to hating on something else. Aug 08 00:45:05 Only HP knows their numbers, and they won't share them unless they're great Aug 08 00:45:11 summatusmentis: thanks ill check it out Aug 08 00:45:36 who, as we've seen in the last 36 hours, isn't only an idiot when it comes to tech journalism, he's also a worthless human being Aug 08 00:45:41 read the rest of his tweets Aug 08 00:46:03 what's his twitter? Aug 08 00:46:32 @jperlow or something Aug 08 00:47:13 ah, fridays ass / rearend Aug 08 00:47:26 what's jason perlow done? I haven't been up to date in my trolling 101 Aug 08 00:47:43 I seem to recall "Perl0wned" coming up at one point Aug 08 00:48:14 Oh. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/hp-if-you-want-folks-to-hack-the-touchpad-then-open-source-it/18013 Aug 08 00:48:18 Asshattery. Aug 08 00:49:30 heh Aug 08 00:49:48 So when can we slap someone over the interwebs? I'm waiting for the day. Aug 08 00:49:54 yuo guys realize that when you just visit articles like that, you're supporting their work, right? Aug 08 00:49:59 yuou guys! Aug 08 00:50:10 Fffffuuuuu--- Aug 08 00:50:20 why are we still talking about this? Aug 08 00:52:39 Oh wow. Aug 08 00:52:56 The level of trolling he does.. It burns. Aug 08 00:53:21 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/290477-op-ed-jason-perlows-zdnet-article-responses-welcome.html But there's an op-ed Aug 08 00:54:38 im sick of hearing op-ed Aug 08 00:54:45 The racist trolling on his facebook page, though, got to me a bit. Aug 08 00:56:01 PuffTheMagic: the interesting thing is that op-ed means opinion-editorial Aug 08 00:56:09 not "reader response", or "rebuttal" Aug 08 00:56:29 and if taken that way, it means that jperlow considers his articles to be neither opinion, nor editorial Aug 08 00:56:40 because he doesn't refer to his own articles as op-ed Aug 08 00:56:52 Entourage and Breaking Bad start soon Aug 08 00:56:56 and leverage Aug 08 00:57:06 summatusmentis: sorry, I tought fxspec06 was talking about someone else Aug 08 00:57:08 * NuttyBunny hides Aug 08 00:57:23 (now, there's maybe an argument to be made that op-ed has come to mean "reader response") Aug 08 00:57:35 NuttyBunny: meh, no big deal, I'm just surprised people are still up in arms Aug 08 01:00:59 summatusmentis: yeah, me 2.. I thought they were talking about "today's" one Aug 08 01:01:57 someone should start a fake twitter account about him, like the "BPCares" thing from the gulf spill Aug 08 01:02:12 and tweet ridiculous and awful things, like he does Aug 08 01:02:41 IGNTNUNLMTD: except, he does it so well on his own Aug 08 01:02:48 right? :-P Aug 08 01:03:20 Shadyman1: what stuff on his FB? Aug 08 01:05:21 Ah, was an auto repost of his twitter. but still, I *hope* he's being sarcastic. Even then, it comes off a bit rough to me. http://muckrack.com/jperlow/statuses/99596433233158000 Aug 08 01:05:24 Maybe I'm just sensitive. Aug 08 01:05:49 Maybe I just read it wrong. Aug 08 01:06:51 Is there a stereotype about israeli tech vendors that I'm not aware of? Aug 08 01:07:20 apparently so, according to Mr Perlow. Aug 08 01:07:38 Ah, Hm. I think the spacing on his facebook page made me read it wrong, though. I don't think it's quite as bad as I thought the first time. Aug 08 01:08:03 Actually, I'm certain it's nowhere near as bad as I thought it was. Aug 08 01:08:29 still, he's trolling. Aug 08 01:08:55 Maybe it's just to get hits on his blog. Aug 08 01:09:46 why does my emulator look for enyo in media/cryptofs Aug 08 01:09:51 not allowed to load local resource Aug 08 01:13:19 weird... 2.1 Pixi, freetether... it stalls while the display is on. As soon as I turn it on, internet returns... and I do have the wifi setting to on while the screen is sleeping... :) Aug 08 01:15:39 heh i guess palm package Aug 08 01:19:55 * NuttyBunny becomes nappybunny... powernap to work and perhaps release at least nuttycam Aug 08 01:26:52 Shadyman1: Yeah, I actually did see that and no matter how much of a "joke" he thought that was, it's still racist Aug 08 01:27:41 Good, so it's not just me. Aug 08 01:29:34 what an ass Aug 08 01:29:53 some people Aug 08 01:30:07 he's not really a people though Aug 08 01:30:12 ^ Aug 08 01:40:44 * PatrickC has a new project :) Aug 08 01:47:35 hey CTLAdvance Aug 08 01:47:50 Is it tha SHOES? Aug 08 01:47:56 what? lol Aug 08 01:48:10 howdy Aug 08 01:48:25 * PatrickC hopes this project won't be too hard... Aug 08 01:48:29 how's it goin? Aug 08 01:48:49 its going good Aug 08 01:49:05 that's good Aug 08 01:49:38 * CTLAdvance hopes that packaging an app for the touchpad doesnt mess up this cross platform stuff Aug 08 01:50:03 CTLAdvance: gl Aug 08 01:50:15 It should be ok for some Aug 08 01:50:27 * PatrickC needs to de-compile some code.. and see what its made of Aug 08 01:50:55 1's and 0's Aug 08 01:51:02 lol Aug 08 01:51:14 0's and F'a Aug 08 01:51:22 I need to turn code that is one language (Hebrew currently) into English, and more Aug 08 01:51:28 PM for more info Aug 08 01:52:10 it will be awesome, and something webOS Has been missing for a long time Aug 08 01:53:38 * rwhitby wasn't aware there were programming languages where the actual code was in hebrew Aug 08 01:54:08 rwhitby: there isnt Aug 08 01:54:16 afaik Aug 08 01:54:37 but the app displays in Hebrew, and I need to turn it into English/other languages Aug 08 01:55:12 ah, so just translations Aug 08 01:55:18 yeah Aug 08 01:55:48 all the visual is written in JS though, and the app is Mojo, so it'll be fun for me Aug 08 01:55:55 and a learning experience :) Aug 08 01:58:39 Help please Aug 08 01:58:46 ok Aug 08 01:58:48 what's up? Aug 08 01:58:55 cygwin won't make my app Aug 08 01:59:08 is your app regular sdk? Aug 08 01:59:11 jarfile unaccesable Aug 08 01:59:18 or something that need linux? Aug 08 01:59:26 sdk 1.4.5.1 Aug 08 01:59:28 rgular Aug 08 01:59:50 then why are you using cygwin instead of regular cmd line? Aug 08 02:00:15 regular cmd is not recognizing java at all Aug 08 02:00:32 I prfer cygwin, not as dumb Aug 08 02:00:33 java -version? Aug 08 02:00:37 or --version? Aug 08 02:00:37 yeah Aug 08 02:00:47 cmd flops when I do that Aug 08 02:00:48 really? I've never used cygwin for dev Aug 08 02:00:55 reinstall Java? Aug 08 02:00:59 did Aug 08 02:01:07 weird Aug 08 02:01:15 sorry, I'm of no help.. :/ Aug 08 02:01:31 "java is not rcognized as an internal or external command" Aug 08 02:01:45 pardon typing Aug 08 02:01:50 on my pixi+ Aug 08 02:03:47 any idea why java won't function in rgular cmd? Aug 08 02:04:39 no clue Aug 08 02:05:01 I got make error 127 in cygwin Aug 08 02:05:05 fixed that Aug 08 02:05:21 but java is only thing stopping me from using cmd Aug 08 02:06:00 did you do a clean uninstall/reinstall? Aug 08 02:06:55 is java in the correct path on the system Aug 08 02:07:13 if its not listed in the os path then you need to be in the java directory Aug 08 02:07:32 thats of course if its unrecognised and it is installed Aug 08 02:08:24 it is unrecognized Aug 08 02:08:29 it is installed Aug 08 02:08:42 but it's in the system path Aug 08 02:09:05 * halfhalo-traffic cries Aug 08 02:09:18 regex experts Aug 08 02:09:21 what is wrong with this Aug 08 02:09:22 ^-\%(vsn|author|copyright|compile|deprecated|module|export|import|behaviour|export_type|ignore_xref) *(\@= Aug 08 02:11:21 are you mapping to the correct directory in the system path Aug 08 02:11:27 so I'm not sure what's up Aug 08 02:11:27 I would check and recheck that Aug 08 02:11:34 huh? Aug 08 02:11:51 usually you have ti map it to the java bin directory Aug 08 02:12:02 yes Aug 08 02:12:03 I'm in the middle of nowhere.... why is there traffic.... Aug 08 02:12:06 but make sure you point it at the correct folder, esp if you changed it or have a different version Aug 08 02:12:11 it's mapped to that Aug 08 02:12:21 hmm Aug 08 02:12:27 have you restarted? Aug 08 02:12:39 never thought of version changes Aug 08 02:12:49 yes, I've restarted Aug 08 02:13:11 yep check to make sure your in the correct one Aug 08 02:13:18 esp if youve uninstalled Aug 08 02:13:25 shouldn't java installer update system path? Aug 08 02:13:51 yes, just recently updated and uninstalled before that Aug 08 02:15:14 I'll check that tomorrow Aug 08 02:16:09 thanks Aug 08 02:16:34 would have thought installer would have done that Aug 08 02:17:57 welp, it should have added a new one for the latest version at least Aug 08 02:18:12 if not removed the lasrt Aug 08 02:20:11 hmm Aug 08 02:20:22 overestimating of technology Aug 08 02:21:10 loving webod Aug 08 02:21:30 even on a grossly underpowered phone and an old version Aug 08 02:23:20 any tips for a pixi+ Aug 08 02:23:30 faster run time? Aug 08 02:23:50 apparntly upgrading to webos 2 isn't a good idea Aug 08 02:25:14 everyone die? Aug 08 02:25:24 I am not sure using a pixi is a good idea Aug 08 02:25:25 nope Aug 08 02:25:37 isnt that some sort of violation? Aug 08 02:25:45 webOS 2.x is horrid on the pixi Aug 08 02:26:06 I've seen it run, and know the person who did lead dev for getting it running (well, crawling) Aug 08 02:27:10 lol Aug 08 02:27:22 you can't legally even run 2.x on the pixi can you? Aug 08 02:27:29 pixi cost me 35$ Aug 08 02:27:52 summatusmentis: not really... Aug 08 02:27:53 run it on service that's 30$ a year Aug 08 02:29:04 legally? Aug 08 02:29:17 webos is openish, isn't it? Aug 08 02:29:20 nope.. its illegal iirc Aug 08 02:29:27 not for unreleased webOS versions Aug 08 02:29:32 they cant stop you from running it really Aug 08 02:29:39 the question is, will everything work Aug 08 02:30:12 well, webos is openish, yes Aug 08 02:30:24 but there's no official 2.1 distribution for the pixi Aug 08 02:30:25 CTLAdvance: true Aug 08 02:30:33 ^^ Aug 08 02:32:00 hmm Aug 08 02:32:10 so that's not a good idea? Aug 08 02:32:30 well lets put it this way Aug 08 02:32:33 to run 2.1 on a pixi? Aug 08 02:32:42 it would *crawl* if it moved at all Aug 08 02:32:54 the Pre2 was a GSM phone at launch, I helped get it running properly on Sprint (CDMA) and used it as my main device for 3 months Aug 08 02:33:07 so you can do it, at your own risk Aug 08 02:33:21 worst case is you drop it back to stock os Aug 08 02:33:30 but on a pixi Aug 08 02:33:34 not recommended Aug 08 02:33:48 any patches for speed enhancements on 1.4.5.1? Aug 08 02:34:12 OC kernels imo Aug 08 02:34:41 does overclocking hurt battey life much? Aug 08 02:34:53 only thing I was worried about Aug 08 02:35:10 in my experience, on a Pre2, not too much Aug 08 02:35:35 your experience might be different though Aug 08 02:35:42 been months since I had my pixi Aug 08 02:35:47 3g data loves to eat batteries Aug 08 02:35:53 but that's the case with any phone Aug 08 02:36:01 lol Aug 08 02:36:01 I turned all data off Aug 08 02:36:05 except wifi Aug 08 02:36:05 and I hear "4g" is worse Aug 08 02:36:30 wifi is a bucket of WIN Aug 08 02:36:38 yessir Aug 08 02:36:59 I get voice for $30 a year Aug 08 02:37:07 especially with the speed cap patch Aug 08 02:37:08 theough verizon reseller Aug 08 02:37:18 a YEAR?!? Aug 08 02:37:18 speed cap patch? Aug 08 02:37:20 wow Aug 08 02:37:22 yes Aug 08 02:37:24 a year Aug 08 02:37:36 I use barely any minutes Aug 08 02:37:43 ah I see Aug 08 02:37:47 which one? Aug 08 02:37:51 so I use pageplus prepaid Aug 08 02:37:57 so do I Aug 08 02:37:59 works grwat! Aug 08 02:38:04 I'm on the $30 a month plan Aug 08 02:38:12 ah Aug 08 02:38:16 talkntext Aug 08 02:38:28 so much cheaper than verishit Aug 08 02:38:56 ridiculous Aug 08 02:39:01 I love them Aug 08 02:39:19 I make most calls over wifi for free with linphone anyway Aug 08 02:39:28 so this is just great Aug 08 02:39:53 OCing pixi recommended 4 pixi? Aug 08 02:39:59 whoops Aug 08 02:40:39 I did it, but I also run the bleeding edge stuff, like my pre2 ran at 1.4GHz for a while Aug 08 02:40:53 I like to push things to the limit Aug 08 02:41:35 lol Aug 08 02:41:50 patrickc: did it improve performance mutch? Aug 08 02:42:06 PatrickC you almost need to overclock that fast with WebOS ;-) Aug 08 02:42:09 when I ran it, it was only at 600MHz, so very little Aug 08 02:42:25 CTLAdvance: I run at 1.1GHz now, and it seems fine :) Aug 08 02:42:39 yeah I think on 2.0 1ghz was alright Aug 08 02:42:41 siestacat: but I hear they are up to over 8xxMHz for the daring :) Aug 08 02:42:47 600 mhz is stock Aug 08 02:42:50 I didnt really need to overclock beyond that Aug 08 02:43:02 siestacat: on the pixi, I don't think it is Aug 08 02:43:08 it is Aug 08 02:43:12 CTLAdvance: it is lightning at 1.4GHz for a while Aug 08 02:43:16 I ran govnah a bit Aug 08 02:43:16 then it slows down Aug 08 02:43:25 siestacat: its over 800MHz now.. so.. Aug 08 02:43:27 pre was 550 I think Aug 08 02:43:32 pixi came at 600 Aug 08 02:43:48 does ocing pixi to 800 hurt it much? Aug 08 02:44:16 well unless you consider that it is greatly reducing the lifespan of the device by shortening its rinning hours... no Aug 08 02:44:28 s/rinning/running Aug 08 02:44:54 reducing lifespan? Aug 08 02:46:33 how much? Aug 08 02:49:43 and does installing you uberkernel rewrite everything on my pixi+? Aug 08 02:50:28 it shouldn't Aug 08 02:50:59 you sure? Aug 08 02:51:09 it will reduce it Aug 08 02:51:11 I don't want to lose everything again Aug 08 02:51:11 greatly Aug 08 02:51:18 but not enough where you will be impacted Aug 08 02:51:26 ? Aug 08 02:51:28 unless you plan to hold on to it for several years Aug 08 02:51:36 I do... Aug 08 02:51:49 but I want more speed Aug 08 02:51:51 I dont think you will be impacted Aug 08 02:51:58 but lets face it Aug 08 02:52:12 you wount have it once the pre3 gets to be 30 dollars Aug 08 02:52:19 lol Aug 08 02:52:26 no, guess not Aug 08 02:52:42 or pre2 for that matter Aug 08 02:52:47 dying for one Aug 08 02:52:50 anyway Aug 08 02:53:13 so if I use this for several years, it won't die? Aug 08 02:53:14 pre2 with its 3.1" screen isnt worth it Aug 08 02:53:19 pre3 would be Aug 08 02:53:34 it will probably fall apart before then Aug 08 02:53:55 good Aug 08 02:53:55 no one can answer the question of how long will your device last Aug 08 02:53:57 re Aug 08 02:54:06 recommwnded oc speed? Aug 08 02:54:17 you would probably need to put it in a ... lock box.. and put that inside of another lock box Aug 08 02:54:21 for it to last that long Aug 08 02:54:37 they're junk? Aug 08 02:54:54 OC speeed should be as fast as possible without causing thermal tumors to develop around where it sits in your pocket Aug 08 02:55:08 rofl, damn tracfone from 2004 still works Aug 08 02:55:12 ok Aug 08 02:55:13 * CTLAdvance thinks siestacat never saw the old lock box bit Aug 08 02:55:20 no Aug 08 02:55:23 I didnt Aug 08 02:55:58 so installing uberkwrnel won't wipe my device? Aug 08 02:56:11 or log me out of palm profile or something? Aug 08 02:57:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9pqmW-D14I Aug 08 02:58:03 lockbox from the debate Aug 08 02:58:10 then it was made fun of on snl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 02:59:58 2011