**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 09 02:59:56 2011
Aug 09 03:00:50 <akanster> rwatkins: still raking in the dough with Paper Mache?
Aug 09 03:02:58 <rwatkins> akanster: every day.
Aug 09 03:04:34 <rwatkins> I'm sure price of loaner devices is dwarfed by any potential app catalog receipts at this point.
Aug 09 03:04:45 <rwatkins> not.
Aug 09 03:05:04 <akanster> heh
Aug 09 03:09:28 <rwhitby> rwatkins: looks like a straight-forward patch, and likely to be stable across a number of updates
Aug 09 03:09:54 <PatrickC> hmm.. I think I know how to do the enter thing.. backspace.. notsomuch
Aug 09 03:11:56 <rwatkins> rwhitby: ya.  i imagine they'll just fix this themselves before too long, but till then ..
Aug 09 03:12:18 <rwatkins> just re-enables stuff they clearly turned off.
Aug 09 03:13:05 <DraX> maybe it's turned off because it causes the apocalypse?
Aug 09 03:13:11 <rwatkins> likely.
Aug 09 03:14:17 <rwatkins> more likely they dont have images posted that are optimized for both landscape and portrait viewing.
Aug 09 03:14:49 <rwhitby> rwatkins: ok, for turning it into a patch, we need to have the diff rooted at / for a -p 1 application
Aug 09 03:15:14 <rwatkins> ok.  'diff -u' ?
Aug 09 03:15:17 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 09 03:15:43 <rwatkins> Jason Robitaille seems .. alarmed?
Aug 09 03:15:54 <rwhitby> rwatkins: please do submit it through the portal, I might be able to put the enyo files in place so it will work
Aug 09 03:19:32 <rwhitby> rwatkins: he may be concerned that the AUPT scripts may bug out on it
Aug 09 03:20:30 <rwatkins> rwhitby: ok, but thats an .. AUPT issue.  Can still manually apply/remove or install/uninstall?
Aug 09 03:21:10 <rwhitby> sure, folks can do it manually using patch, but the number of folks who can actually manage that is miniscule
Aug 09 03:22:57 <rwatkins> so .. do you want it or not?
Aug 09 03:23:31 <Tibfib> hahaha
Aug 09 03:24:10 <rwatkins> i always manually uninstall my patches.  reapply a few days after update when things have died back down.
Aug 09 03:24:22 <rwhitby> rwatkins: I'm going to test to see whether it does cause any downstream problems.
Aug 09 03:24:37 * PatrickC <3's palm-run
Aug 09 03:24:42 <rwatkins> rwhitby: ok, will generate a new patch and submit.  thx.
Aug 09 03:25:11 <rwhitby> rwatkins: so yes, please do submit through the portal.  if you see a reject it'll be because that AUPT scripts can't handle third-party stuff, no reflection on your patch.
Aug 09 03:26:10 <rwhitby> rwatkins: what may happen is people use Internalz to apply the patch, and then have trouble removing it after the package is updated, and get stuck with Preware thinking the patch is installed and not able to remove it.
Aug 09 03:26:32 <rwhitby> such people will likely incorrectly blame you for that.
Aug 09 03:26:43 <PatrickC> hmm.. now to figure out where/how to implement this if/else...
Aug 09 03:27:49 <rwatkins> rwhitby: I'm sure people do all kinds of crazy things by using multiple patch systems and not bothering to uninstall before updates.  but .. well .. live by the sword, die by the sword.
Aug 09 03:28:10 <rwatkins> seems like a patch management issue.
Aug 09 03:28:59 <rwhitby> yep, an imperfect system that is so easy to use that folks expect it to be perfect.
Aug 09 03:29:41 <PuffTheMagic> Tide v0.0.23 is out
Aug 09 03:32:54 <PatrickC> virtual keyboard should now have shift support somewhat
Aug 09 03:39:59 <rwatkins> is busybox diff just crap?  telling me files differ, but cant get a patch ..
Aug 09 03:41:26 <rwhitby> rwatkins: ah, I remember now. uninstalling the patch will delete the patches files completely
Aug 09 03:41:33 <rwhitby> so people will be left with a broken app catalog
Aug 09 03:41:40 <rwhitby> fatal flaw in using AUPT scripts for third party apps
Aug 09 03:41:46 <rwhitby> (since they were only designed for rootfs patches)
Aug 09 03:41:54 <rwatkins> rwhitby: sweet
Aug 09 03:48:25 <PatrickC> in the activate, this code is suppose to use the keySetup function if a button is pressed. but it breaks the app http://pastebin.com/01s1PHFY
Aug 09 03:53:25 <zomg> PatrickC: did you type all that? :P
Aug 09 03:53:39 <PatrickC> some of it :)
Aug 09 03:53:53 <PatrickC> I'm making an english vkb from a hebrew one
Aug 09 03:54:00 <PatrickC> with permission from the original dev
Aug 09 03:54:11 <zomg> Some of it is missing ;'s
Aug 09 03:54:19 <zomg> Don't really see anything that would break code in it though
Aug 09 03:54:28 <PatrickC> yeah, same here
Aug 09 03:54:32 <zomg> btw if you want to make your if's a littler simpler
Aug 09 03:54:40 <PatrickC> where?
Aug 09 03:54:51 <PatrickC> most of the if's are from the original dev
Aug 09 03:54:53 <zomg> since you're doing a lot of stuff where a string matches a variable's name
Aug 09 03:55:27 <zomg> you could just do if(window[v]) { this.controller.get(v).update(window[v])
Aug 09 03:55:30 <zomg> or something along those lines
Aug 09 03:55:52 <PatrickC> oh, the names?
Aug 09 03:55:57 <PatrickC> yeah. I'm gonna fix those
Aug 09 03:56:38 <PatrickC> I just want to get it working first, then clean it up
Aug 09 03:57:38 <Tibfib> I feel like that code could be a lot more efficient
Aug 09 03:57:38 <PatrickC> anyone willing to help/contribute (its open source) I'll send the source
Aug 09 03:57:50 <PatrickC> Tibfib: it could, and will be
Aug 09 03:57:57 <PatrickC> I want to get it working first
Aug 09 03:57:58 <rwatkins> rwhitby: so submitted, incase you manage to fix AUPT or whatever.
Aug 09 03:58:29 <Tibfib> PatrickC: for starters, don't listen to EVERY individual div. Listen to a parent...
Aug 09 03:58:31 <Tibfib> once.
Aug 09 03:58:57 <PatrickC> so only listen for the table they are in?
Aug 09 03:59:05 <Tibfib> probably
Aug 09 03:59:17 <Tibfib> also, this person uses lots of implied globals
Aug 09 03:59:21 <PatrickC> hmm.. now I need to set up the table..
Aug 09 03:59:22 <Tibfib> which is bad practice
Aug 09 03:59:39 <zomg> That code reminded me of some old Daily WTF posts
Aug 09 03:59:40 <zomg> :D
Aug 09 03:59:46 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 04:00:04 <Tibfib> for the keysSetupLc thing, you could just have an object, and then do an "each" function
Aug 09 04:00:22 <Tibfib> PatrickC: you should def update the div ids to english
Aug 09 04:00:25 <Tibfib> will make it much easier
Aug 09 04:00:31 <PatrickC> I'll do that now
Aug 09 04:00:36 <PatrickC> then update the paste
Aug 09 04:00:39 <Tibfib> that looks like the very first app I made
Aug 09 04:00:53 <Tibfib> very redundant
Aug 09 04:02:17 <ArtworkAD> if an app has the Status published it's in the app catalog?
Aug 09 04:02:22 <Tibfib> yep
Aug 09 04:03:42 <ArtworkAD> when I click on the link in "my apps" I get "application not available ", I mean the link for the appcatalog
Aug 09 04:03:49 <rwatkins> Tibfib: so running nomnom .. seems ok so far .. didnt die loading my accnt.
Aug 09 04:03:55 <Tibfib> heh nice
Aug 09 04:04:03 <Tibfib> rwatkins: just updated the github with a few changes
Aug 09 04:04:16 <Tibfib> ArtworkAD: it takes a couple hours to setup the web page
Aug 09 04:04:27 <ArtworkAD> Ok
Aug 09 04:05:21 <rwatkins> so a few things - "1000" should be "1000+".  the "stack" metaphor when looking at a item seems odd when its less than the viewable area.  and need to be able to see all of a long tag name .. somehow?
Aug 09 04:05:40 <rwatkins> "my really long tag 1" and "my really long tag 2" - never know which is which.
Aug 09 04:05:57 <Tibfib> hmmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 09 04:06:17 <rwatkins> not an easy issue though, w/o mouseovers
Aug 09 04:06:50 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 09 04:07:03 <Tibfib> so I may have to wait for that one
Aug 09 04:07:07 <rwatkins> maybe less so with tags, but potentially tragic with feeds themselves.
Aug 09 04:07:32 <Tibfib> 1000+ fixed probably
Aug 09 04:07:41 <rwatkins> will pull and rebuild
Aug 09 04:08:09 <Tibfib> pushed
Aug 09 04:08:13 <Tibfib> almost.
Aug 09 04:08:57 <Tibfib> oh dang. that's a strange github erro
Aug 09 04:09:47 <rwatkins> thats always nice to hear when your referring to your source control ...
Aug 09 04:09:54 * PatrickC cleaned up the code
Aug 09 04:10:08 <Tibfib> rwatkins: no kiding
Aug 09 04:10:14 <Tibfib> s/d/dd/
Aug 09 04:10:36 <Tibfib> hey it worked
Aug 09 04:10:42 * Tibfib just forgets about that
Aug 09 04:11:00 <PatrickC> http://pastie.org/private/aumr8um002kp6xbiyfhs9q
Aug 09 04:11:35 <PatrickC> ok, code cleaned up, but app still broke
Aug 09 04:12:25 <dwc-> 20:38 < rwatkins> is busybox diff just crap?  telling me files differ, but cant get a patch ..
Aug 09 04:12:35 <Tibfib> PatrickC, no, that's not cleaned up
Aug 09 04:12:46 <PatrickC> its in english now
Aug 09 04:12:49 <dwc-> it is crap imo, but it might also be that there's some "binary" stuff in there and then diff will refuse to print a diff for that
Aug 09 04:12:51 <PatrickC> X is x
Aug 09 04:13:15 <PatrickC> log errors with: [2011-08-09 04:09:31] (Virtual Keyboard) Error: Error: Cannot read property 'srcElement' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined
Aug 09 04:13:24 <PatrickC> but idk how to fix that
Aug 09 04:13:39 <rwatkins> dwc-: hm.  maybe lineendings or somethign .. looks like diff on emulator is better than diff on device.
Aug 09 04:13:43 <Tibfib> PatrickC: thinkkkkkkkkkkk
Aug 09 04:13:55 <Tibfib> search through your code for "srcElement"
Aug 09 04:14:02 <PatrickC> found it
Aug 09 04:14:04 <dwc-> surprised it's not the same busybox
Aug 09 04:14:04 <rwatkins> installed findapps on the emulator and ran there instead.
Aug 09 04:14:07 <PatrickC> its under keyTap
Aug 09 04:14:15 <Tibfib> magic
Aug 09 04:14:18 <PatrickC> and works fine without the if statement
Aug 09 04:14:25 <PatrickC> but the if statement breaks it
Aug 09 04:14:35 <rwatkins> dwc-: ya, would think so.  perhaps user error.
Aug 09 04:14:40 <PatrickC> and I'm referencing to keyTap in my activate()
Aug 09 04:14:56 <Tibfib> PatrickC: no, that doesn't killi t
Aug 09 04:15:21 <PatrickC> the if is what breaks it. I take out the if, works. insert if, breaks
Aug 09 04:15:27 <PatrickC> it could be the params.
Aug 09 04:15:40 <PatrickC> but idk how to make the if catch what key is pressed
Aug 09 04:15:42 <Tibfib> well considering the app doesn't do what you want it to do without the if, it is broken with out it
Aug 09 04:15:54 <Tibfib> soo it's just broken.
Aug 09 04:16:03 <Tibfib> PatrickC: learn javascript.
Aug 09 04:16:04 <PatrickC> and I need to fix it.. :P
Aug 09 04:16:06 <PatrickC> I am
Aug 09 04:16:09 <Tibfib> better.
Aug 09 04:16:11 <PatrickC> while I'm coding
Aug 09 04:16:17 <PatrickC> multitasking :)
Aug 09 04:16:27 <Tibfib> which you have proven to be successful in
Aug 09 04:17:03 <dwc-> if...else... is pretty much every language
Aug 09 04:17:13 <oil> lol
Aug 09 04:17:21 <fxspec06_> every language
Aug 09 04:17:24 <rwatkins> dwc-: ya, same busybox diff. odd.
Aug 09 04:17:27 <fxspec06_> once u learn it, you can't unlearn it
Aug 09 04:17:46 <fxspec06_> ...........but you have to learn it first
Aug 09 04:18:08 <Tibfib> oil: save me
Aug 09 04:18:13 <PatrickC> I think my error is in the params.. but idk what to tell my 'if'...
Aug 09 04:18:18 <oil> Tibfib: NO
Aug 09 04:18:20 <Tibfib> nooooo it's not
Aug 09 04:18:26 <PatrickC> Tibfib: no one can save me
Aug 09 04:18:27 <dwc-> sure you can
Aug 09 04:18:29 <Tibfib> PatrickC: the error is what the ERROR said
Aug 09 04:18:30 <dwc-> you can forget elseif
Aug 09 04:18:38 <Tibfib> you should be using switch case
Aug 09 04:18:40 <dwc-> and start writing more portable else if
Aug 09 04:18:44 <fxspec06_> PatrickC: read the error
Aug 09 04:18:48 * PatrickC hasn't learned that yet
Aug 09 04:18:58 <fxspec06_> read it. read into it. read between the error. learn the error. BECOME the error
Aug 09 04:18:59 <PatrickC> fxspec06_: I did. and the error is not there if I don't have the if
Aug 09 04:19:12 <fxspec06_> be one with the code
Aug 09 04:19:14 <PatrickC> but the if causes the error (or so it seems)
Aug 09 04:19:20 <fxspec06_> let the code flow through you
Aug 09 04:19:23 <oil> i do have to say, that PatrickC just now learning if/else, and being a brown belt, pretty much throws the belt system out hte window
Aug 09 04:19:36 <Tibfib> oil: I KNOW OH MY GOSH I WANT TO STAB A KITTEN
Aug 09 04:19:49 <Tibfib> PatrickC: the code is bad to begin with
Aug 09 04:19:51 <oil> Tibfib: it just proves that belts mean nothing
Aug 09 04:20:12 <Tibfib> oil: seriously
Aug 09 04:20:12 <fxspec06_> i already knew belts meant nothing
Aug 09 04:20:20 <fxspec06_> but yeah. it does prove it
Aug 09 04:20:20 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: how would you suggest I improve it?
Aug 09 04:20:29 <PatrickC> to me, if it works, why change it?
Aug 09 04:20:30 <rwatkins> Tibfib: other suggestion - open browser inside full article view, not launch browser.  so many feeds are just preview text.
Aug 09 04:20:35 <Tibfib> 1. Learn javascript
Aug 09 04:20:42 <Tibfib> 2. actually learn javascript
Aug 09 04:20:47 <Tibfib> 3. Like really, learn javascript
Aug 09 04:20:51 <fxspec06_> lol
Aug 09 04:20:58 <Tibfib> 4. Throw pretty much all the code out
Aug 09 04:21:08 <rwatkins> and create an app menu.  hate the lil app menu down arrow .. when there is no app menu.
Aug 09 04:21:14 <Tibfib> or reduce the redundency
Aug 09 04:21:18 <oil> instead of copy/paste, open and retype
Aug 09 04:21:30 <Tibfib> the entire file could be like 20 lines long
Aug 09 04:21:34 <oil> and dont go from one line to the next until you understand what the line you just typed is doing
Aug 09 04:21:36 <PatrickC> oil: I didn't copy/paste at all. I extracted :P
Aug 09 04:21:44 <PatrickC> with permission :)
Aug 09 04:21:45 <fxspec06_> so true!
Aug 09 04:21:50 <Tibfib> big difference
Aug 09 04:22:09 <Tibfib> that's like the difference between stealing a $20 video game and stealing  a $40 video game
Aug 09 04:22:31 <Tibfib> rwatkins: oh yeah, app menu.
Aug 09 04:22:59 <Tibfib> rwatkins: I have worked on webview stuff, but I can't test it out properly in chrome, so I'm holding off on enabling it until I can get it working well on device
Aug 09 04:23:06 <Tibfib> I feel you there
Aug 09 04:23:34 <Tibfib> AND NOW IT IS AN HOUR PAST WHEN I WANTED TO GO TO BED
Aug 09 04:23:43 <fxspec06_> PatrickC: i learned javascript this year. but i coded in basic for years
Aug 09 04:23:56 <rwatkins> ya, dev in chrome first
Aug 09 04:24:00 <fxspec06_> and i knew some of many other languages
Aug 09 04:24:26 <fxspec06_> i learned myself
Aug 09 04:24:27 * Tibfib should /ignore PatrickC past 10 o'clock so he can get to bed on time
Aug 09 04:24:45 <oil> lol
Aug 09 04:25:35 * PatrickC is done coding for the night
Aug 09 04:25:45 * oil is just getting warmed up
Aug 09 04:25:47 <PatrickC> have other stuff that's more important to do :/
Aug 09 04:26:25 <fxspec06_> nothing is more important than coding
Aug 09 04:26:31 <fxspec06_> not even coding
Aug 09 04:26:39 <PatrickC> school :)
Aug 09 04:26:49 <Tibfib> lolz skewl
Aug 09 04:27:10 <fxspec06_> coding is more important than school, sleep, women, love, all put together
Aug 09 04:27:11 <oil> mom must have told him its time for bed xD
Aug 09 04:27:24 <PatrickC> mom is already sleeping lol
Aug 09 04:27:29 <PatrickC> I'm doing homework
Aug 09 04:27:35 <sugardav1> riiiiight
Aug 09 04:27:36 <halfhalo> lulzhomework
Aug 09 04:27:37 <oil> yeah "doing homework"
Aug 09 04:27:41 <oil> i did that as a kid too
Aug 09 04:27:45 <PatrickC> well, I was coding
Aug 09 04:27:50 <halfhalo> thats the thing I fake for college classes
Aug 09 04:27:51 <PatrickC> now I'm checking ebay
Aug 09 04:27:57 <PatrickC> then I'll do homework :P
Aug 09 04:27:57 <fxspec06_> lol
Aug 09 04:27:59 <Tibfib> for homework?
Aug 09 04:28:06 <fxspec06_> halfhalo: that's the correct way to do things
Aug 09 04:28:25 <fxspec06_> you never actually do homework
Aug 09 04:28:37 <fxspec06_> you just. "complete" it
Aug 09 04:28:55 <fxspec06_> only if you absolutely need to. which you never need to
Aug 09 04:28:55 <bnceo> yo
Aug 09 04:29:04 <bnceo> so how to I get out stripped T5 screws
Aug 09 04:29:16 <bnceo> cause wow, they went cheap on these palm ones
Aug 09 04:29:20 <Tibfib> bnceo: use an avocado
Aug 09 04:29:23 <oil> drill?
Aug 09 04:29:28 <halfhalo> magix
Aug 09 04:29:28 <bnceo> don't have a drill
Aug 09 04:29:33 <bnceo> avocado? lol
Aug 09 04:29:43 <Tibfib> first thing that came into my mind
Aug 09 04:29:48 * Tibfib *shrugs*
Aug 09 04:29:50 <Tibfib> you never know
Aug 09 04:30:02 <fxspec06_> bnceo: Tibfib_ is bad with carpentry
Aug 09 04:30:02 <Tibfib_> goodnight jerkfaces
Aug 09 04:30:02 <PatrickC> night Tibfib_
Aug 09 04:30:15 <Tibfib_> hahaahahah
Aug 09 04:30:26 <Tibfib_> I was going to s/jerk/nice/ but I don't think I will
Aug 09 04:30:40 <Tibfib_> buh bye
Aug 09 04:31:57 <bnceo> so yeah. I'm stuck here
Aug 09 04:32:58 <oil> no friend from which to borrow a drill or dremel?
Aug 09 04:33:38 <oil> if you lived in washington id let ya borrow one :)
Aug 09 04:34:50 * PatrickC will get an Ebook on javascript once he gets his tp
Aug 09 04:34:50 <bnceo> got it
Aug 09 04:34:54 <PatrickC> any suggestions?
Aug 09 04:34:55 <bnceo> t6 driver worked
Aug 09 04:35:05 <bnceo> haha.
Aug 09 04:36:17 * oil has no js book suggestions, didn't learn it from a book
Aug 09 04:36:31 <fxspec06_> suggestion: don't learn from a book
Aug 09 04:36:38 <PatrickC> how then?
Aug 09 04:36:47 <oil> well, i already knew if/else when i got to javascript
Aug 09 04:36:54 <fxspec06_> suggestion: download basic onto your computer. learn basic
Aug 09 04:37:01 <PatrickC> basic.. why?
Aug 09 04:37:07 <PatrickC> what uses basic still?
Aug 09 04:37:13 <rwatkins> uh no, not basic.
Aug 09 04:37:14 <oil> computers
Aug 09 04:37:30 <fxspec06_> rwatkins: how is he ever going to learn javascript if he can't learn basic
Aug 09 04:37:32 <PatrickC> I'm with rwatkins.. me no wanna learn basic
Aug 09 04:37:40 <fxspec06_> basic is easy
Aug 09 04:37:46 <PatrickC> I'll never use it..
Aug 09 04:37:49 <rwatkins> fxspec06_: basic will teach him horrible habits. pick a more structured language.
Aug 09 04:38:00 <dwc-> 10 print fxspec loves basic
Aug 09 04:38:05 * oil first programming language was LOGO :)
Aug 09 04:38:05 <dwc-> 20 goto 10
Aug 09 04:38:11 <rwatkins> c#, java, python, lisp, anything.
Aug 09 04:38:12 <dwc-> 30 print gotos are largely evil
Aug 09 04:38:16 <fxspec06_> lol
Aug 09 04:38:27 <PatrickC> java.. I need that one
Aug 09 04:38:29 <PatrickC> and onjc
Aug 09 04:38:34 <PatrickC> objc*
Aug 09 04:38:35 <fxspec06_> patrick what happens there
Aug 09 04:38:38 <rwatkins> though not perl.
Aug 09 04:38:40 <fxspec06_> when does 30 execute
Aug 09 04:38:41 <Puffy_tp> oil, lolz homework, what an ass
Aug 09 04:38:42 <dwc-> js is not a terrible first language
Aug 09 04:38:44 <fxspec06_> .......................................................
Aug 09 04:38:57 <PatrickC> fxspec06_: umm.. I don't know..
Aug 09 04:39:00 <fxspec06_> omg
Aug 09 04:39:01 <PatrickC> I don't know basix
Aug 09 04:39:03 <fxspec06_> are you serious
Aug 09 04:39:04 <PatrickC> basic*
Aug 09 04:39:06 <dwc-> fxspec06_: when someone buffer overflows and changes the return address ;)
Aug 09 04:39:07 * fxspec06_ facepalm
Aug 09 04:39:08 <halfhalo> @($U#@$%FASD234124@(!@$&@$   <------- perl.
Aug 09 04:39:09 <rwatkins> agree.  js is not a terrible first language.  maybe not the best but a hell of alot better than basic.
Aug 09 04:39:15 * PatrickC also didn't read it
Aug 09 04:39:21 <oil> halfhalo: haha
Aug 09 04:39:29 <fxspec06_> lol perl
Aug 09 04:39:38 <dwc-> you're missing some )
Aug 09 04:39:46 <fxspec06_> i almost tried to learn ASM this one time
Aug 09 04:39:50 <dwc-> otherwise, that's an interesting list you've got there :)
Aug 09 04:40:00 <fxspec06_> i never made an app. but it was interesting
Aug 09 04:40:40 <rwatkins> learn c.  go shoot yourself in the foot for a bit and then come back to javascript.
Aug 09 04:40:48 <fxspec06_> lolol do that
Aug 09 04:41:07 <PatrickC> I'm gonna learn objc soon
Aug 09 04:41:11 <fxspec06_> PatrickC: go join a c IRC channel
Aug 09 04:41:15 <rwatkins> *sigh*
Aug 09 04:41:15 <PatrickC> so learn that /before/ js?
Aug 09 04:41:20 <oil> lol
Aug 09 04:41:21 <dwc-> no, learn js first
Aug 09 04:41:30 <dwc-> you don't want to deal with memory management yet
Aug 09 04:41:30 <PatrickC> I'm confused lol
Aug 09 04:41:45 <fxspec06_> memory management is a beeeeyoch
Aug 09 04:41:57 <fxspec06_> if you have no idea what your'e doing
Aug 09 04:42:05 <oil> which sums up PatrickC to a T
Aug 09 04:42:11 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 09 04:42:16 <PatrickC> I'm trying to learn
Aug 09 04:42:20 <oil> just sleep on it
Aug 09 04:42:23 <PatrickC> but need to know where to start
Aug 09 04:42:24 <oil> and bug Tibfib some more tomorrow
Aug 09 04:42:34 <fxspec06_> i agree
Aug 09 04:42:42 <dwc-> of what it sounds like you're trying to do in the near-ish term, I would say learn with js first
Aug 09 04:42:43 * PatrickC thinks Tibfib wants to slap him
Aug 09 04:42:44 <fxspec06_> Tibfib is super smart. he's hte best programmer ever
Aug 09 04:42:50 <fxspec06_> you should ask him everything
Aug 09 04:42:54 <rwatkins> heh
Aug 09 04:43:02 <fxspec06_> he told me he wants to help
Aug 09 04:43:10 <PatrickC> haha yeah.. riiiight...
Aug 09 04:43:11 <dwc-> you could learn java or python, but if you're not going to apply the knowledge and use it, there's not a lot of reason to learn it
Aug 09 04:43:23 <PatrickC> I'm going to use java
Aug 09 04:43:31 <oil> lol
Aug 09 04:43:31 <PatrickC> so learn that before js?
Aug 09 04:43:44 <fxspec06_> java is harder imo
Aug 09 04:44:06 <dwc-> depends on what you want to do. javascript seems more immediately useful for you, to me
Aug 09 04:44:10 <fxspec06_> u have to declare public and private and static methods, and has to be correct arguments and yeah
Aug 09 04:44:19 <fxspec06_> javascript u can run anywhere and flexible
Aug 09 04:44:41 <dwc-> on the other hand, having some required structure can get you into better habits
Aug 09 04:44:47 <fxspec06_> yes this is true
Aug 09 04:45:12 <rwatkins> ya, javas a pain but atleast your not going to learn crappy habits from it like you will from other languages.
Aug 09 04:45:22 <fxspec06_> okay i'm off to bed. night guys
Aug 09 04:45:45 <rwatkins> but as dwc- points out you also need to pick something in your problem area.  no use learning something unless you have a practical place to want to practice it.
Aug 09 04:45:47 * dwc- learned basic, a bit of pascal, shell, c, java, perl in roughly that order
Aug 09 04:46:12 <PatrickC> rwatkins: I'll be doing android dev soon
Aug 09 04:46:17 <PatrickC> so I'll need java
Aug 09 04:46:18 <oil> shell counts?
Aug 09 04:46:21 * oil adds it to his list
Aug 09 04:46:32 <oil> lol
Aug 09 04:46:37 <halfhalo> dont forget html!
Aug 09 04:46:38 * dwc- does a fair amount of Large Data Manipulation with shell + misc utilities
Aug 09 04:46:42 <halfhalo> no, wait….
Aug 09 04:46:56 * fxspec06_ learned regedit!
Aug 09 04:47:11 <rwatkins> for shell, anything more complex than a series of command line actions Id be otherwise doing .. I would then write in perl.
Aug 09 04:47:28 <rwatkins> which is the source of all kinds of trouble.
Aug 09 04:47:38 * oil ususally uses php for his command line scripts instead of perl nowadays
Aug 09 04:47:48 <oil> probably because im more practiced with php then perl
Aug 09 04:47:50 <oil> its been a long time
Aug 09 04:47:57 <fxspec06_> that's a great song
Aug 09 04:47:59 <fxspec06_> cake
Aug 09 04:48:01 <fxspec06_> gnit
Aug 09 04:48:27 <dwc-> I'm not very fond of php
Aug 09 04:48:28 * halfhalo knows some hava, havascript, ruby, rails, php, a little c and c++, and an entirely to much asm and lisp.
Aug 09 04:48:46 <oil> hava? xD
Aug 09 04:49:15 <PatrickC> I'm off to
Aug 09 04:49:17 <PatrickC> night all
Aug 09 04:49:37 <halfhalo> now its time to party!
Aug 09 04:49:41 <akanster> whew!
Aug 09 04:49:45 <akanster> :)
Aug 09 04:50:20 * oil was going to attempt to ask a nooby js question, but didnt know what to ask
Aug 09 04:50:48 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 09 04:51:47 <rwatkins> var foo = "false"; if foo { alert('true!'); }
Aug 09 04:51:56 * oil instead gets joining a channel to work in enyo-wirc
Aug 09 05:06:51 <bnceo> yay. DRing my gf's new FrankenPre
Aug 09 05:07:15 <bnceo> I got high hopes for Enyo WIRC
Aug 09 05:08:02 <oil> yeah?
Aug 09 05:10:01 <bnceo> sure do
Aug 09 05:13:18 <DraX> rwatkins: but foo is truthy in that case, you're confusing me :(
Aug 09 05:14:20 <jjhhff> hi
Aug 09 05:14:24 <DraX> i miss writing js regularly
Aug 09 05:14:29 <jjhhff> wazz up
Aug 09 05:15:07 <jjhhff> how to limit textbox input size to 1
Aug 09 05:19:48 <sha0> Good day to all.  It's really too bad that the SDK for Windows required >= Vista.
Aug 09 05:20:04 <sha0> Do you suppose that an older SDK might still be useful to me?
Aug 09 05:21:25 <DraX> wow this keyboard app patrick cut and pasted is really awfully written
Aug 09 05:21:31 <DraX> i love the leaked global variables
Aug 09 05:21:38 <DraX> and the same list repeated over and over again
Aug 09 05:21:45 <halfhalo> why am i not suprised….
Aug 09 05:22:07 <DraX> there is this amazing invention called the for loop, he should learn about them
Aug 09 05:30:09 <DraX> it's kind of mesmerizingly bad
Aug 09 05:34:18 <DraX> howdy
Aug 09 05:36:28 <Jake_M> hi everyone =D
Aug 09 05:39:20 <AHelper31> :'( I just got my app to work, and the webos update borked it
Aug 09 05:39:46 <sha0> It appears that the current SDK installs just fine under XP.
Aug 09 05:53:33 <sha0> Please forgive me: Is the majority of the SDK documentation in Java?
Aug 09 05:53:42 <sha0> in = use
Aug 09 05:53:59 <sha0> Is = Does
Aug 09 05:57:45 <sha0> Ah, I'd better focus on PDK.  Have a nice day.
Aug 09 05:57:58 <Jake_M> yes.
Aug 09 05:59:34 <Jake_M> you know i have a lot of patience for the lockups on my phone and all the problems it has...but I can't imagine someone who hasn't heard of homebrew
Aug 09 05:59:58 <Jake_M> those poor people still running stock kernels, no save/restore...nothing.
Aug 09 06:00:06 <Jake_M> 500mhz is so slow.
Aug 09 06:00:13 <oil> lol
Aug 09 06:00:33 <Jake_M> the pixi is clocked at like...300 right?
Aug 09 06:00:58 <Jake_M> webOS needs a minimum of 1.2ghz to feel fluid. especially on webOS 2.x
Aug 09 06:07:12 <siestacat> hello
Aug 09 06:07:18 <siestacat> pixi problem now
Aug 09 06:07:39 <siestacat> random whitenoise coming from speaker
Aug 09 06:07:44 <siestacat> ideas?
Aug 09 06:09:11 <Jake_M> turn it off
Aug 09 06:09:32 <siestacat> did
Aug 09 06:09:35 <Jake_M> switch the mute switch on an off.
Aug 09 06:09:46 <siestacat> where's that?
Aug 09 06:09:51 <siestacat> oh, upper right
Aug 09 06:10:05 <siestacat> yeh
Aug 09 06:10:52 <Jake_M> Does it do it even while it's off?
Aug 09 06:11:10 <siestacat> no
Aug 09 06:11:26 <Jake_M> do you have any patches that affect speaker volume?
Aug 09 06:11:31 <siestacat> no...
Aug 09 06:11:34 <AHelper31> battery charging?
Aug 09 06:11:38 <siestacat> no
Aug 09 06:11:44 <siestacat> overclocked
Aug 09 06:11:56 <Jake_M> shouldn't affect lol
Aug 09 06:11:58 <siestacat> running at 806mhz
Aug 09 06:12:11 <siestacat> that's the oy thing I've done
Aug 09 06:12:17 <siestacat> only*
Aug 09 06:12:35 <siestacat> since it started
Aug 09 06:12:41 <Jake_M> turn it down to like 768
Aug 09 06:12:49 <siestacat> why?
Aug 09 06:12:58 <siestacat> cpu is at 45c rofl
Aug 09 06:13:41 <Jake_M> so is mine
Aug 09 06:14:04 <Jake_M> turn it down to 768
Aug 09 06:14:58 <siestacat> done, but why?
Aug 09 06:15:27 <Jake_M> I don't know
Aug 09 06:15:33 <Jake_M> you said all you did was overclock
Aug 09 06:17:04 <siestacat> since
Aug 09 06:17:10 <siestacat> I'm on a pixi+
Aug 09 06:17:19 <siestacat> overclocking is nessescity
Aug 09 06:17:25 <Jake_M> right
Aug 09 06:17:28 <siestacat> butchered that word
Aug 09 06:18:00 <Jake_M> have you tried uninstalling the kernel to see if it keeps having white noise?
Aug 09 06:18:07 <siestacat> no
Aug 09 06:18:12 <siestacat> it stopped now
Aug 09 06:18:30 <siestacat> after mute and device restart
Aug 09 06:20:32 <hotdp> OMGOMGOMGOMG
Aug 09 06:20:38 <hotdp> sugardave: ping`?
Aug 09 06:20:48 <hotdp> Is there any EU dev's online?
Aug 09 06:36:07 <Jake_M> Try it
Aug 09 06:37:05 <Jake_M> oh wirc wasn't scrolling down lolol
Aug 09 06:37:09 <Jake_M> gdi oil
Aug 09 06:37:17 <oil> yeah
Aug 09 06:37:24 <oil> i think something in 302 will let me fix that
Aug 09 06:37:49 <Jake_M> wait what
Aug 09 06:38:21 <oil> some keyboard pop event
Aug 09 06:38:41 <Jake_M> oh I'm on 2.1 but it doesn't matter
Aug 09 06:39:20 <oil> oh
Aug 09 06:39:26 <oil> it should work on 2.x :/
Aug 09 06:39:45 <Jake_M> I probably hit the scroller causing it to not auto scroll down
Aug 09 06:40:06 <oil> yeah, if you scroll back any it wont trigger the scroll to bottom code anymore
Aug 09 06:40:19 <oil> so if you're looking at backlog it doesnt keep bringing you to the bottom
Aug 09 06:40:23 <Jake_M> yeah I must have grazed the screen
Aug 09 06:40:28 <Jake_M> right I understand
Aug 09 06:40:31 <hotdp> Does anyone know if the Veer is avalible in EU ?
Aug 09 06:41:07 <Jake_M> well you could unlock it and use it in EU probably..
Aug 09 06:44:39 <hotdp> But its not avalible yet to buy?
Aug 09 06:45:48 <oil> according to a quick google "hp veer in eu" it landed in june
Aug 09 06:56:35 <ArtworkAD> hi guys, whats the difference between published and submitted apps in "my apps" in my webOS developer account?
Aug 09 06:56:56 <Jake_M> Published is in the catalog
Aug 09 06:57:03 <ArtworkAD> ah I see
Aug 09 06:57:05 <Jake_M> submitted is you submitted but it hasn't been reviewed
Aug 09 06:57:11 <ArtworkAD> ok
Aug 09 06:57:53 <hotdp> oil: i can't find it anywhere :s
Aug 09 06:58:06 * oil dunno what to say
Aug 09 06:59:32 <hotdp> :/
Aug 09 06:59:53 <Jake_M> just buy a regular one
Aug 09 07:00:13 <hotdp> my friend would like to have a veer with he's tp
Aug 09 07:00:30 <Jake_M> buy it from the hp store
Aug 09 07:01:45 <Jake_M> white or black hotdp?
Aug 09 07:02:25 <Jake_M> https://hp.bbymsolutions.com/detail/716
Aug 09 07:02:28 <Jake_M> no commitment
Aug 09 07:02:35 <Jake_M> unlock at www.digitalunlock.com
Aug 09 07:03:00 <Jake_M> use it on EU carrier
Aug 09 07:05:27 <hotdp> hmm i can't?
Aug 09 07:05:39 <hotdp> The US GSM is different then the one in EU?
Aug 09 07:06:06 <Jake_M> are you asking me?
Aug 09 07:06:18 <hotdp> yer
Aug 09 07:06:40 <Jake_M> Uh...
Aug 09 07:06:51 <Jake_M> I have no reason to believe it's not...
Aug 09 07:07:06 <Jake_M> I know that canadians can use the Veer but I don't know about EU.
Aug 09 07:08:28 <rwhitby> hotdp: depends if you need 900MHz or not.
Aug 09 07:10:02 <hotdp> rwhitby: How do i know? I am from Denmark, i had to franken my nyc dev day pre 2 before getting 3g?
Aug 09 07:10:54 <Jake_M> check your carrier
Aug 09 07:11:00 <Jake_M> what carrier are you on?
Aug 09 07:11:12 <hotdp> 3
Aug 09 07:11:24 <Jake_M> pardon?
Aug 09 07:11:30 <hotdp> the company name is 3 :)
Aug 09 07:11:40 <oil> lol
Aug 09 07:11:48 <hotdp> http://www.3.dk/
Aug 09 07:11:49 <rwhitby> same company here :)
Aug 09 07:11:54 <Jake_M> lol...
Aug 09 07:12:03 <hotdp> its big in scandinavia..
Aug 09 07:12:16 <rwhitby> http://www.three.com.au/
Aug 09 07:12:25 <hotdp> but what should i search for
Aug 09 07:12:34 <Jake_M> frequency
Aug 09 07:12:57 <rwhitby> 3 is a vodafone partner
Aug 09 07:13:04 <Jake_M> oh that makes more sense
Aug 09 07:14:25 <hotdp> hmm its hard infromation to find..
Aug 09 07:14:29 <Jake_M> uh I can't read this haha. is there a wiki page?
Aug 09 07:23:32 <Jake_M> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT&T_Mobility#Radio_Frequency_Summary
Aug 09 07:23:46 <Jake_M> that's AT&T's frequencies
Aug 09 07:25:22 <hotdp> thanks, i can see what a danish iphone has?
Aug 09 07:25:34 <hotdp> UMTS 2100/GSM 850 900 1800 1900
Aug 09 07:26:00 <Jake_M> if it works with the iphone it should work with the veer...
Aug 09 07:27:54 <rwhitby> not necessarily
Aug 09 07:28:21 <rwhitby> veer is quad band GSM, but only tri-band 3G UMTS
Aug 09 07:28:31 <rwhitby> tri-band is different for US and EU
Aug 09 07:28:36 <Jake_M> oh I didn't even check the veer's frequency
Aug 09 07:28:42 <hotdp> rwhitby: what else can i check?
Aug 09 07:28:45 <rwhitby> in particular, US is 850, EU is 900
Aug 09 07:35:27 <Jake_M> well wirc is murdering my battery. ttyl
Aug 09 09:56:56 * hotdp just recived he's TP
Aug 09 09:58:51 <phoque> congrats
Aug 09 11:00:10 <hotdp> Is it possible to connect it with a pre 2?
Aug 09 11:00:17 <hotdp> or is that only pre 3?
Aug 09 11:44:11 <hotdp> i guess i have to wait on a OTA update?
Aug 09 11:56:04 <phoque> sneaky App Catalog reviews
Aug 09 11:56:16 <phoque> I never get a message if an app or update has passed the review process
Aug 09 11:57:18 <haeffb> hotdp with a TP  \o/ !!!!!!
Aug 09 11:58:12 <Hendikins> rwhitby: This is interesting, UberKernel panics on my Pre2. Time to get some data out of that thing.
Aug 09 12:34:54 <hotdp> hi haeffb: you got one to?
Aug 09 12:35:05 <hotdp> I must say, its not running as good as i hoped :(
Aug 09 12:35:16 <hotdp> I have to try the OC... and hope it will make it better
Aug 09 12:54:17 <rwhitby> Hendikins: yeah, seems some people are having issues with UK/Pre2
Aug 09 12:54:28 <rwhitby> Looks like Pre 2 is not a good overclocker
Aug 09 12:54:35 <Hendikins> Mine is US
Aug 09 12:54:46 <rwhitby> UK=UberKernel
Aug 09 12:54:55 <Hendikins> Bleh, sleepy.
Aug 09 12:55:43 <Hendikins> I'm hitting the doctor, since this is being utterly cantankerous.
Aug 09 13:07:53 <Loudergood_> yeah, my pre2 didn't like it, finally gives me an excuse to doctor that ext3fs partition in there
Aug 09 13:10:04 <Hendikins> This is an interesting error from the doctor.
Aug 09 13:10:37 <Hendikins> INFO: Trenchcoat: <ERROR> CPU-specific initialization failed
Aug 09 13:10:48 * Hendikins fetches log
Aug 09 13:15:00 <rwhitby> Hendikins: just retry for that one
Aug 09 13:15:07 <rwhitby> it took me up to 10 tries once
Aug 09 13:15:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> mmmm I had forgotten that W3C accepts tax-deductible donations
Aug 09 13:15:40 * rwhitby bbt
Aug 09 13:17:46 <Hendikins> 10 tries? Hrm.
Aug 09 13:17:59 <Hendikins> http://pastebin.com/UfJE9F2f is the log nonetheless.
Aug 09 13:19:46 <Loudergood_> this resize is slooooww I suppose that's to be expected though
Aug 09 13:21:09 <Hendikins> And it seems that repetition has indeed succeeded.
Aug 09 13:25:43 <matbee> whatup
Aug 09 13:32:23 <Loudergood_> good that looks like it was successful
Aug 09 13:34:08 * Hendikins blinks... they're advertising the TouchPad on TV in AU?
Aug 09 13:40:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm really impressed with the amount of TouchPad ads I see on TV here in the US
Aug 09 13:40:36 <hotdp> IGNTNUNLMTD: do you have one?
Aug 09 13:40:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
Aug 09 13:40:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my family has two total
Aug 09 13:40:50 <hotdp> i have just gotten one
Aug 09 13:40:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> bought one this weekend for my mom
Aug 09 13:41:03 <hotdp> don't you think its laggy/buggy?
Aug 09 13:41:07 <johnfromnix> True, there have been a lot of TP ads, with a dose of Veer ads thrown in too
Aug 09 13:41:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ...not at all
Aug 09 13:41:15 <Tibfib_> hotdp: have you updated it?
Aug 09 13:41:30 <hotdp> its game with 3.0.2
Aug 09 13:41:33 <hotdp> *came
Aug 09 13:41:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> with 3.0.2 it's perfectly fast, and with UberKernel it's ludicrous speed
Aug 09 13:41:51 <hotdp> i need the kernel then..
Aug 09 13:41:51 <Hendikins> I'm playing the waiting game with the TouchPad.
Aug 09 13:42:07 <hotdp> when scroling between pictures its not smooth at all
Aug 09 13:42:12 <Loudergood_> supposedly it's laggy for the first bit anyway
Aug 09 13:42:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> card swiping at 1.5 is nearly smoother than the iPad's animations
Aug 09 13:42:26 <Loudergood_> hmm..now where is that first use app hidden..
Aug 09 13:42:31 <hotdp> is it smooth when you do it?+
Aug 09 13:42:33 <Hendikins> I'd like to physically get my hands on a device to play with before I consider stumping up the cash.
Aug 09 13:42:42 <Hendikins> Since I'm in Australia, that means a bit of waiting.
Aug 09 13:43:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Hendikins: most likely, the demo unit will be slow
Aug 09 13:43:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they always are, and that really bothers me
Aug 09 13:43:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it gives a bad impression
Aug 09 13:43:29 <Hendikins> IGNTNUNLMTD: Speed isn't what I'll be looking at on the demo unit.
Aug 09 13:43:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I know someone with your knowledge won't
Aug 09 13:43:49 <Tibfib_> hotdp: yeah wait for the accounts to import
Aug 09 13:43:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but the general public will
Aug 09 13:43:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-/
Aug 09 13:43:59 * Hendikins has already a. seen enough WebOS and b. read enough about the TouchPad to not judge it on the speed of the demo unit.
Aug 09 13:44:37 <Hendikins> Now to put UberKernel on a freshly doctored Pre2 and see if it still blows up.
Aug 09 13:44:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hotdp: my photo scrolling is very smooth, yes
Aug 09 13:46:30 <hotdp> hmm that is strange
Aug 09 13:46:33 <hotdp> its laggy here
Aug 09 13:46:38 <hotdp> i don't get it at all then
Aug 09 13:46:45 <Tibfib> hp doesn't like hotdp
Aug 09 13:46:52 <hotdp> the people i have showed it was also disapointed :S
Aug 09 13:47:16 <hotdp> i will try to reset then..
Aug 09 13:47:22 <hotdp> what else can it be?
Aug 09 13:47:53 <Tibfib> hotdp: are all of your synergy accounts done importing?
Aug 09 13:49:32 <hotdp> yes
Aug 09 13:49:39 <Tibfib> are you sure?
Aug 09 13:49:43 <hotdp> yes
Aug 09 13:50:11 <hotdp> In the photoapp, when you grap a image and go to the side to view the next, is that smooth?
Aug 09 13:55:00 <Hendikins> Well, this is still toast on a freshly doctored device. At least it wasn't anything I installed that caused it.
Aug 09 13:55:43 <Underyx> hey, guys, I'd like to buy a "no contract Palm Pixi Plus" from amazon which I would like to use with wifi only, without ever connecting to a mobile network, is that possible?
Aug 09 13:58:37 <hotdp> IGNTNUNLMTD or Tibfib: can you confirm?
Aug 09 13:58:49 * Tibfib doesn't have a tp
Aug 09 13:58:53 <hotdp> oki
Aug 09 13:58:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes, it is smooth with 1.5GHz overclock
Aug 09 13:59:15 <hotdp> :P
Aug 09 13:59:19 <hotdp> I have stock speed
Aug 09 13:59:29 <hotdp> But i have to OC then..
Aug 09 13:59:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> get UberKernel, your TouchPad will thank you
Aug 09 13:59:42 <hotdp> and see if its smooth
Aug 09 13:59:45 <hotdp> hehe ok
Aug 09 14:06:03 <pepone> Hi, how can i register a C++ class method with PDL_RegisterJSHandler?
Aug 09 14:06:50 <HattCzech_work> Underyx: yes
Aug 09 14:07:02 <Underyx> HattCzech_work, great, thanks a lot
Aug 09 14:07:10 <HattCzech_work> if you enable developer mode or use metadoctor, you can bypass activation
Aug 09 14:07:36 <Underyx> well, I guess i'll figure it out then
Aug 09 14:07:40 <Underyx> bye
Aug 09 14:07:43 <Underyx> and thanks again
Aug 09 14:07:46 <HattCzech_work> if you get a GSM version, i would recommend borrowing a sim card to enable the catalog, though
Aug 09 14:08:02 <Underyx> alright
Aug 09 14:09:18 <HattCzech_work> anyone have a broken pre- with a working comm board that they want to give me or sell me for cheap?
Aug 09 14:09:45 <cwayne> HattCzech_work: check ebay, theyre like 12 bucks
Aug 09 14:10:37 <HattCzech_work> i'm on there now
Aug 09 14:10:49 <HattCzech_work> after shipping, they end up being around $25-30
Aug 09 14:11:06 <HattCzech_work> (working ones)
Aug 09 14:11:46 <HattCzech_work> the broken ones aren't on there as much
Aug 09 14:11:55 <HattCzech_work> i missed one last week, unfortunately
Aug 09 14:43:05 <PatrickC> hey all
Aug 09 14:46:41 <pepone> How can  terminate the plug-in part of an Hybrid app? is there a way that i can do cleanup work when the user close the app?
Aug 09 14:50:43 <matbee> guh
Aug 09 14:50:47 <matbee> im tired of goign to work
Aug 09 14:50:55 <hotdp> lol
Aug 09 14:50:57 <matbee> why do I drive here to sit at a desk to develop software
Aug 09 14:50:57 <hotdp> what is your work?
Aug 09 14:51:04 <matbee> i can do this at home
Aug 09 14:51:19 <matbee> im a mobile dev
Aug 09 14:51:26 <matbee> mobile+web dev
Aug 09 14:51:27 <hotdp> hehe me2 :P
Aug 09 14:51:34 <hotdp> i am going home now :P
Aug 09 14:51:39 <matbee> im playing with knockout.js atm
Aug 09 14:51:41 <matbee> cool beans
Aug 09 14:51:51 <hotdp> I have payed my 9 hours of life energy for today
Aug 09 15:08:47 <NuttyBunny> EHLO
Aug 09 15:09:55 <johnfromnix> 250-HELP
Aug 09 15:10:17 * Tibfib yawns
Aug 09 15:22:33 <matbee> EHLO NuttyBunny
Aug 09 15:22:37 <matbee> damn you
Aug 09 15:28:52 <twbbas> The $50 app credit doesn't work for in-app purchases :(
Aug 09 15:30:15 <matbee> hahahaha
Aug 09 15:30:18 <matbee> aaahahaha
Aug 09 15:30:21 <matbee> gg hp
Aug 09 15:30:51 <twbbas> I need to finish this update to my free app with in-app items and then push out my simple paid app quickly :)
Aug 09 15:31:01 <twbbas> a lot of money is at stake for developers right now
Aug 09 15:31:36 <hotdp> ?
Aug 09 15:32:05 <Tibfib> with $50 credit to everyone
Aug 09 15:32:07 <twbbas> With tons of people getting $50 to spend
Aug 09 15:32:13 <twbbas> a lot of paid apps are going to be bought right now
Aug 09 15:32:32 <twbbas> I bought some phone apps on my TP too :).
Aug 09 15:33:12 <twbbas> Hey Tibfib, I saw your 2 screenshots you posted earlier
Aug 09 15:33:22 <Tibfib> oh yeah?
Aug 09 15:33:33 <twbbas> Based on those 2, I liked the lighter one
Aug 09 15:33:35 <twbbas> BUT
Aug 09 15:33:48 <twbbas> I liked everything about the darker one except the solid black toolbar
Aug 09 15:34:00 <twbbas> If it had a normal dark toolbar, then I'd prefer the dark one
Aug 09 15:34:12 <Tibfib> I darkened the normal toolbar
Aug 09 15:34:17 <Tibfib> but it has the same texture
Aug 09 15:34:26 <twbbas> oh. I guess I just didn't like how dark it was
Aug 09 15:34:28 <Tibfib> I'll send out the ipk fairly soon
Aug 09 15:34:31 <twbbas> ok
Aug 09 15:34:31 <Tibfib> twbbas: hmmm
Aug 09 15:36:15 <Tibfib> I'
Aug 09 15:36:24 <Tibfib> I don't think I'm completely happy with the dark toolbar
Aug 09 15:36:35 <Tibfib> but, I think it is a better path to go down
Aug 09 15:39:30 <hotdp> on the TP is it normal that its only CPU 1 who does something?
Aug 09 15:45:17 <hotdp> ahh mustly its cpu 1
Aug 09 15:46:00 <HattCzech_work> anyone made a mobile site for multiple mobile OSes? (iOS, Android, webOS)
Aug 09 15:47:57 <Tibfib> and PatrickC is buying a mac for this price? http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/56564/staples-in-store-hp-pavilion-p71026b-desktop-phenom-ii-840t-quad-core-2.9ghz-6gb-ddr3-1tb-hdd-20-hp-2011x-led-monitor-dvd-burner-win-7-prem
Aug 09 15:48:05 * hotdp has created a webapp for iOS and Android
Aug 09 15:48:23 <HattCzech_work> hotdp: did you use a mobile framework?
Aug 09 15:48:34 <HattCzech_work> like sencha touch or jQmobile?
Aug 09 15:49:08 <hotdp> Sencha Touch Yes
Aug 09 15:49:17 <HattCzech_work> did you test it on webos?
Aug 09 15:49:21 <hotdp> Yes
Aug 09 15:49:27 <HattCzech_work> sencha touch = webos fail
Aug 09 15:49:36 <HattCzech_work> or did it work for you?
Aug 09 15:49:47 <hotdp> webos 2.1 = fail
Aug 09 15:49:52 <hotdp> webos 3.0 close
Aug 09 15:49:53 <dawm> needs words w/ friends for webos!
Aug 09 15:50:15 * HattCzech_work agrees with dawm
Aug 09 15:50:26 <dawm> specially now that they have a flash version on fb
Aug 09 15:50:26 <HattCzech_work> i need it to work with 2.1+
Aug 09 15:50:32 <hotdp> then its a no go
Aug 09 15:50:43 <HattCzech_work> so now i need to figure out another framework to use :/
Aug 09 15:50:46 <hotdp> jquery mobile "works" but damn its not very smooth :S
Aug 09 15:51:05 <HattCzech_work> jqtouch?
Aug 09 15:51:06 <hotdp> May i ask why you wonna use a framework?
Aug 09 15:51:13 <HattCzech_work> it's a mobile application
Aug 09 15:51:26 <HattCzech_work> i created an android wrapper to access lower level functionality (like phonegap)
Aug 09 15:51:37 <HattCzech_work> but i want the code to be on the client
Aug 09 15:51:44 <HattCzech_work> and easy to update on the fly
Aug 09 15:52:20 <HattCzech_work> i liked sencha touch in that it was all js
Aug 09 15:52:28 <hotdp> yer
Aug 09 15:52:30 <dawm> http://www.geico.com/brostache
Aug 09 15:52:44 <hotdp> sencha is the "best" but only android + ios
Aug 09 15:52:55 <HattCzech_work> i don't mind a mix of js and html5, but i need something that will work (reasonably well) across android and webos
Aug 09 15:53:04 <HattCzech_work> hotdp: yeah, i've noticed
Aug 09 15:53:04 <hotdp> not touch but http://jquerymobile.com/
Aug 09 15:53:16 <HattCzech_work> and it's more ios... there are still many issues with android
Aug 09 15:53:42 <HattCzech_work> have you tried jqtouch?
Aug 09 15:53:57 <hotdp> Long time ago yes
Aug 09 15:54:05 <hotdp> before i choose sencha touch for my work
Aug 09 15:54:49 <HattCzech_work> how did that one work?
Aug 09 15:54:57 <hotdp> hehe same :S
Aug 09 15:54:57 <HattCzech_work> you said jquery mobile was not smooth?
Aug 09 15:55:05 <hotdp> yer i don't think it is
Aug 09 15:55:52 <HattCzech_work> sencha touch was smoother?
Aug 09 15:55:58 <hotdp> yer
Aug 09 15:56:02 <hotdp> it was the best
Aug 09 15:56:07 <HattCzech_work> i've noticed some choppiness on android with the dialogs
Aug 09 15:56:10 <HattCzech_work> boo :/
Aug 09 15:56:14 <hotdp> haha
Aug 09 15:56:20 <HattCzech_work> the best needs to support webos, dangit
Aug 09 15:56:24 <hotdp> Sencha tocuh on Android is not "smooth"
Aug 09 15:56:32 <HattCzech_work> okay
Aug 09 15:56:32 <hotdp> But its the best
Aug 09 15:56:37 <hotdp> animations is still crap
Aug 09 15:56:41 <hotdp> iOS is smooth
Aug 09 15:56:47 * HattCzech_work shakes fist
Aug 09 15:56:59 <hotdp> the problem is the implementation
Aug 09 15:57:02 <HattCzech_work> i don't want to create my own mobile framework... that would be crazy
Aug 09 15:57:19 <hotdp> In my app i check if its android and if it is i turn of ALL animations:)
Aug 09 15:57:42 * hotdp shakes fist at Android
Aug 09 15:57:57 <hotdp> what about Jo?
Aug 09 15:58:03 <hotdp> can it run on android?
Aug 09 15:58:33 <HattCzech_work> that's a thought
Aug 09 15:58:39 <HattCzech_work> Jo?
Aug 09 15:58:42 <HattCzech_work> not familiar
Aug 09 15:58:48 <dawm> my favorite part of webOS 2.. ability to add to the autocorrect!
Aug 09 15:59:06 <hotdp> http://joapp.com/
Aug 09 15:59:12 <dawm> on 1.4.5 hate would always turn into gate.. so annoying
Aug 09 15:59:17 <HattCzech_work> dawm: you just did the pre2 upgrade, right?
Aug 09 15:59:22 <dawm> i gated so much stuff
Aug 09 15:59:30 <HattCzech_work> hahah
Aug 09 15:59:36 <dawm> yeah 2 days ago, frankenpre2 sprint
Aug 09 15:59:54 <HattCzech_work> i'm about to do the same
Aug 09 15:59:59 <halfhalo-work> my favorite part of webos 3..... if you enter a special code, kittens appear everywhere from the device!
Aug 09 16:00:05 <HattCzech_work> wanted to get a spare pre- to rip the comm out of :)
Aug 09 16:00:06 <dawm> i bought a beat up pre- on ebay for $20
Aug 09 16:00:12 <HattCzech_work> (trying to get one on wbay now)
Aug 09 16:00:14 <HattCzech_work> ahhaha, nice
Aug 09 16:00:23 <dawm> really only used it for practice since i didnt want to nuke my phone
Aug 09 16:00:44 <HattCzech_work> i was successfully able to take apart and put back together my phone
Aug 09 16:00:55 <HattCzech_work> so i'm confident i can swap it
Aug 09 16:01:02 <HattCzech_work> but i wanted to swap ONLY the comm board
Aug 09 16:01:12 <HattCzech_work> the gps cables are longer on the pre2, so that will work
Aug 09 16:01:17 <dawm> no
Aug 09 16:01:19 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I wish I was getting that computer
Aug 09 16:01:24 <hotdp> HattCzech_work: did you look at the link?
Aug 09 16:01:34 <HattCzech_work> but getting the unlocked gsm one to fit properly may not work
Aug 09 16:01:36 <dawm> i did that cause i broke the ebay pre wires
Aug 09 16:01:42 <Tibfib> PatrickC: specs are a billion times better than that mac
Aug 09 16:01:43 <HattCzech_work> hotdp: that looks awesome
Aug 09 16:01:45 <dawm> you can use the gsm wires
Aug 09 16:01:52 <dawm> but they get jammed next to the battery
Aug 09 16:01:56 <dawm> and start to get.. iffy
Aug 09 16:01:58 <halfhalo-work> SPECS?!?!?!? YOU CANT HANDLE THE SPECS!!!
Aug 09 16:02:17 <dawm> and theres no room anyways to tuck them other than alongside&ontop of the battery
Aug 09 16:02:57 <Tibfib> OM NOMNOMNOM
Aug 09 16:03:03 <dawm> i swapped comboard, pre- back frame thing, speaker, camera lense cover, headphone jack
Aug 09 16:03:20 <halfhalo-work> bemjb: you crazy snapfish person.
Aug 09 16:04:00 <dawm> the onlly issue ive had with this frankenpre2 was i lost the ability to recieve texts
Aug 09 16:04:21 <dawm> had to reboot and it was fine, hasnt done it since, but the phone also said it had a os update which i allowed and no issues since
Aug 09 16:05:49 <dawm> waht..
Aug 09 16:05:57 <dawm> ive been off contract for a month?!
Aug 09 16:06:02 <halfhalo-work> lol
Aug 09 16:08:28 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I know they are, but it doesn't run xcode
Aug 09 16:08:43 * halfhalo-work has the xcodes
Aug 09 16:09:09 * hotdp wonders why he can not find one of he's apps in the tp app catalog?
Aug 09 16:09:35 * PatrickC will probably order his tp today
Aug 09 16:09:52 * halfhalo-work juggles some touchpads
Aug 09 16:09:56 <PuffTheMagic> what up
Aug 09 16:09:56 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib: you got a pretty slick website
Aug 09 16:10:14 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: thanks
Aug 09 16:10:18 <Tibfib> elegantthemes.com is the bomb
Aug 09 16:10:39 * PatrickC wonders where said website is
Aug 09 16:10:55 <Tibfib> PatrickC: YOU ARE SOO BAD AT THE INTERNET
Aug 09 16:11:08 <PatrickC> I didn't see a link
Aug 09 16:11:29 <halfhalo-work> you win the award for most internet fail in this channel
Aug 09 16:11:31 <dawm> im pretty sure i did 8000~ txts this month
Aug 09 16:11:41 <dawm> er last billing cycle
Aug 09 16:11:45 * halfhalo-work has done... 154 texts this month
Aug 09 16:11:52 <dawm> previous month 918..
Aug 09 16:12:07 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 16:12:47 * Tibfib is probably < 100
Aug 09 16:13:06 <PatrickC> Tibfib: time to update the "about" page
Aug 09 16:13:07 <PatrickC> "Our first applications are scheduled to hit the catalog early 2010. More information regarding when they will be released, what they will cost, and what they are about will be released soon."
Aug 09 16:13:17 <Tibfib> PatrickC: go for it
Aug 09 16:13:34 <PatrickC> do I have login?
Aug 09 16:13:41 <Tibfib> go for it
Aug 09 16:14:13 <PatrickC> thats a wordpress site?
Aug 09 16:14:18 <PatrickC> that's awesome looking
Aug 09 16:16:24 <dawm> how do you pronouce DANGER
Aug 09 16:16:35 <halfhalo-work> DANGERZONE
Aug 09 16:17:00 <dawm> DAIN JUR? or DANG ER
Aug 09 16:17:39 <halfhalo-work> 1st
Aug 09 16:17:40 <Tibfib> dawm: first
Aug 09 16:17:58 <Tibfib> DANE JER(k)
Aug 09 16:18:15 <dawm> im pretty sure its DANG ER
Aug 09 16:18:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my girlfriend went abroad and I was all but able to cancel my texting plan altogether
Aug 09 16:18:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 09 16:19:05 <dawm> yeah thats why my txting has increased so much, new female friend ;p
Aug 09 16:19:29 <Tibfib> dawm: quite the reversal here
Aug 09 16:19:29 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib: oh if you didnt write it I take it back then
Aug 09 16:19:32 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 09 16:19:42 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: bah, I'm not going to write my own site am I?
Aug 09 16:19:46 <Tibfib> only losers do that
Aug 09 16:20:07 <Tibfib> or perhaps I don't like web development at all
Aug 09 16:20:08 <halfhalo-work> real people get others to do it for them.  for free
Aug 09 16:20:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, well, you don't need texting when all you do nowadays is code and go clubbing
Aug 09 16:20:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 09 16:21:02 <halfhalo-work> at the same time
Aug 09 16:21:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I code with TIDE
Aug 09 16:21:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 09 16:21:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> er
Aug 09 16:21:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wow
Aug 09 16:21:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> freud
Aug 09 16:21:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I COULD*
Aug 09 16:21:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> with TIDE
Aug 09 16:21:54 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo-work: and others just steal others domain names
Aug 09 16:22:24 <halfhalo-work> damn straight.
Aug 09 16:22:29 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: are there any major bugs you experience in nomnomnom?
Aug 09 16:22:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope
Aug 09 16:22:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> none that I've found
Aug 09 16:22:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the one thing is the smoothness of the opening anim for the drawer
Aug 09 16:23:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but you can't fix that
Aug 09 16:23:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's a system thing
Aug 09 16:23:22 <pepone> When i run, package-install to test my app, i see this in error log, "qemux86 user.err configurator[1660]: [configurator] Failed to open directory: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.xxxx.hello/configuration/db/kinds" any ideas?
Aug 09 16:24:18 <sugardave> oil: so, I only advised on this one and they wrote the app...and I helped them with a few issues and what not, but MLB AtBat 2011 was one I worked
Aug 09 16:24:41 <twbbas> Tibfib: I noticed that most of the time when I tap on a card to bring in the sliding pane, it opens a browser window too.
Aug 09 16:24:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I haven't seen that
Aug 09 16:25:12 <Tibfib> twbbas: I've heard of that one and seen it
Aug 09 16:25:21 <Tibfib> I have absolutely no idea why it happens though
Aug 09 16:25:21 <twbbas> ok
Aug 09 16:26:36 <dawm> chatzilla
Aug 09 16:27:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what window opens twbbas?
Aug 09 16:27:42 <Tibfib> twbbas: it opens ads, right?
Aug 09 16:28:47 <Tibfib> I think that's what is happening
Aug 09 16:30:35 <twbbas> I don't know
Aug 09 16:30:41 <twbbas> i'll actually let it load next time I see it
Aug 09 16:31:36 <twbbas> ya it's ads
Aug 09 16:31:41 <twbbas> only happens on precentral I think
Aug 09 16:39:31 <HattCzech_work> dawm: would it be possible to swap just the gps wires?
Aug 09 16:39:40 <dawm> no
Aug 09 16:39:47 <HattCzech_work> i didn't see how they connected at the top of the frame
Aug 09 16:39:48 <HattCzech_work> poo
Aug 09 16:39:49 <dawm> they're part of that gold antenna crap
Aug 09 16:40:02 <dawm> i can further destroy the one i did to see
Aug 09 16:40:15 <dawm> i think theres a pin from the circuit board that goes thru and touches the gold stuff
Aug 09 16:40:22 <HattCzech_work> i figured it'd have connectors on both ends :/
Aug 09 16:40:39 <HattCzech_work> i really don't want to keep much from my original pre
Aug 09 16:40:45 <HattCzech_work> i want ALL NEW :)
Aug 09 16:40:56 <dawm> yah
Aug 09 16:41:01 <dawm> my back piece had some nicks
Aug 09 16:41:11 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, but if those wires don't disconnect, that's an issue
Aug 09 16:41:13 <dawm> but using the gsm back just wasnt gonna last
Aug 09 16:41:29 <dawm> the insulation on the gps wires was definitely gonna wear off being jammed by the battery
Aug 09 16:41:33 <HattCzech_work> is yours still disassembled?
Aug 09 16:41:44 <HattCzech_work> that's no good
Aug 09 16:41:51 <dawm> i have parts of the ebay pre, my good pre and parts of the gsm
Aug 09 16:42:29 <HattCzech_work> so you kept the middle ring with gps and volume switch?
Aug 09 16:42:38 <dawm> yeah
Aug 09 16:42:45 <dawm> the part you unscrew and snap
Aug 09 16:42:51 <dawm> away
Aug 09 16:42:52 <HattCzech_work> that has the speaker and other stuff on it too, right?
Aug 09 16:42:56 <dawm> yeah
Aug 09 16:42:58 <dawm> thats all you keep
Aug 09 16:42:59 <HattCzech_work> crap
Aug 09 16:43:08 <HattCzech_work> my speaker is having issues... i don't want to keep it
Aug 09 16:43:26 <HattCzech_work> (about to go to sprint store and have it repaired again
Aug 09 16:43:27 <HattCzech_work> )
Aug 09 16:43:31 <dawm> you can swap speakers
Aug 09 16:43:40 <oilsworkn> heh
Aug 09 16:43:40 <dawm> you can swap headphone jacks
Aug 09 16:43:47 <HattCzech_work> that may work
Aug 09 16:44:22 <HattCzech_work> what about the mute switch?
Aug 09 16:44:36 <dawm> you can swap everything but the gps wires
Aug 09 16:44:36 <HattCzech_work> that's also attached, right?
Aug 09 16:44:39 <HattCzech_work> okay
Aug 09 16:44:46 <HattCzech_work> i'll probably do that
Aug 09 16:45:05 <HattCzech_work> my power button is a bit dinged up, so i don't want that, either
Aug 09 16:45:20 <HattCzech_work> (just the plastic cover... scratched a bit)
Aug 09 16:45:23 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 16:45:40 <oilsworkn> making sprint pre2 or something?
Aug 09 16:45:44 <HattCzech_work> indeed
Aug 09 16:45:57 <HattCzech_work> dawm just did it, and i was wondering about the gps part
Aug 09 16:46:01 <oilsworkn> gonna bring hte orange key over?
Aug 09 16:46:05 <oilsworkn> xD
Aug 09 16:46:11 <dawm> HattCzech_work, i still have the doctor i used
Aug 09 16:46:12 <Tibfib> I'm soooooooo confused by this bug
Aug 09 16:46:18 <HattCzech_work> seeing if i could NOT use the middle part with gps and ONLY swap the comm board
Aug 09 16:46:23 <dawm> will save you the time of preparing to build one, downloading all the crap and etc
Aug 09 16:46:28 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: ask PatrickC, he'll put an if statement in there and make it work!
Aug 09 16:46:40 <HattCzech_work> dawm: that would be very useful
Aug 09 16:46:43 <HattCzech_work> dropbox?
Aug 09 16:46:45 <Tibfib> lol.
Aug 09 16:46:49 <dawm> yeah lemme see if i can do that
Aug 09 16:46:54 <dawm> its on the laptop
Aug 09 16:47:01 <Tibfib> it's adding an iframe, even though I take it out.
Aug 09 16:47:03 <oilsworkn> HattCzech_work: i dont think so
Aug 09 16:47:14 <oilsworkn> the antenna is different in the gsm back vs cdma back, no?
Aug 09 16:47:15 <HattCzech_work> oilsworkn: dawm agrees with you
Aug 09 16:47:20 <HattCzech_work> correct
Aug 09 16:47:24 <dawm> no you can
Aug 09 16:47:26 <HattCzech_work> the wires are longer on the gsm one
Aug 09 16:47:27 <dawm> i had it working
Aug 09 16:47:32 <oilsworkn> huh
Aug 09 16:47:33 <HattCzech_work> so they get in the way
Aug 09 16:47:37 <dawm> but the wires are longer and have to get smushed by the battery/backcover
Aug 09 16:47:43 * oilsworkn has never successfully created a sprint pre2, so don't listen to me :)
Aug 09 16:48:11 <oilsworkn> but, my problem was that hte pre- i was using wasn't activated before swapping
Aug 09 16:48:14 <HattCzech_work> what do you use, oilsworkn?
Aug 09 16:48:15 <dawm> im uploading the jar now
Aug 09 16:48:19 <HattCzech_work> ahhh okay
Aug 09 16:48:20 <Tibfib> he doesn't want to get blamed if he does somethign wrong
Aug 09 16:48:32 * oilsworkn is very careful to manage expectations
Aug 09 16:48:52 <Tibfib> "how soon can you have that by", "within the month"
Aug 09 16:49:09 <oilsworkn> thats too definite of an answer
Aug 09 16:49:11 <HattCzech_work> oilsworkn: i'm trying to get one from ebay so i can keep mine around in case i break something :)
Aug 09 16:49:14 <oilsworkn> more like "when i get to it"
Aug 09 16:49:17 <oilsworkn> or "here soon"
Aug 09 16:49:27 <Tibfib> WHAT THE HECK
Aug 09 16:49:29 <oilsworkn> non quantifiable :)
Aug 09 16:49:39 <oilsworkn> HattCzech_work: yeah
Aug 09 16:49:41 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: asap as possible
Aug 09 16:49:47 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 16:49:54 <oilsworkn> just let me enter by pin number into the atm machine
Aug 09 16:50:45 <Tibfib> it's stupid iframes that are the issue
Aug 09 16:51:06 <oilsworkn> putting iframes into a webos app must feel... dirty
Aug 09 16:51:41 <Tibfib> TELL THAT TO SMARTPHONE EXPERTS
Aug 09 16:51:43 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 09 16:51:46 <Tibfib> stupid ads
Aug 09 16:51:52 <PuffTheMagic> people have hardons for iframes around here
Aug 09 16:51:56 <Tibfib> yep that's the issue
Aug 09 16:52:01 <Tibfib> iframes are handled poorly in webOS
Aug 09 16:52:15 <Tibfib> soooo when the iframe gets loaded in the article view, it launches up the webpage
Aug 09 16:52:17 <Tibfib> NOT MY FAULT
Aug 09 16:52:26 <oilsworkn> sounds like it
Aug 09 16:52:28 * twbbas blames Tibfib
Aug 09 16:52:35 <Tibfib> and guess what precentral: iframe { display: none; }
Aug 09 16:52:36 <Tibfib> suck it
Aug 09 16:52:37 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: enyo-wirc is gonna be ALL IFRAMES
Aug 09 16:52:39 <DraX> it's a totally awesome feature
Aug 09 16:52:46 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: its Tibfib fault!
Aug 09 16:52:50 <oilsworkn> heh
Aug 09 16:53:07 <DraX> you can write to an iframe, just can't set it to a url
Aug 09 16:53:09 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: only if there is a big ass header at the top of each iframe
Aug 09 16:53:16 <oilsworkn> oh there will be
Aug 09 16:53:53 <DraX> injecting <base href=""> into the DOM of a fetched page sort of works
Aug 09 16:53:54 <PuffTheMagic> i gotta be honest, stacks piss me off
Aug 09 16:54:09 <PuffTheMagic> i wish they could be disabled
Aug 09 16:54:20 <ianbeck> Stacks?
Aug 09 16:54:26 <PuffTheMagic> card stacks in webos
Aug 09 16:54:32 <ianbeck> Oh, right
Aug 09 16:54:43 <ianbeck> Yeah, I've accidentally tossed the wrong card a number of times thanks to those
Aug 09 16:54:55 <Tibfib> YES
Aug 09 16:54:56 <twbbas> I want an easter egg where if you're in card view and you shake your device, all the cards shuffle around.
Aug 09 16:54:59 <Tibfib> let me find a tweet
Aug 09 16:55:31 <Tibfib> bah can't
Aug 09 16:55:49 <Tibfib> but I once tweeted: "The problem with stacks is the most recent card doesn't get forced to the front"
Aug 09 16:56:29 <ianbeck> Exactly
Aug 09 16:56:42 <ianbeck> If I've just exited the card, I should be able to just swipe up immediately to kill it
Aug 09 16:56:57 <oilsworkn> heh
Aug 09 16:57:01 <ianbeck> Keep tossing browsers with unloaded URLs after viewing RSS feeds instead
Aug 09 16:57:08 * oilsworkn runs 145 on his phone, so no stacking problems here :)
Aug 09 16:57:09 <Tibfib> yessssssssssss
Aug 09 16:57:14 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: hipster
Aug 09 16:57:17 <oilsworkn> haha
Aug 09 16:58:31 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/86955180599410688
Aug 09 16:58:50 <pepone> How to close an app in OS X, emulator?
Aug 09 16:58:57 <twbbas> bonus points go to twbbas
Aug 09 16:58:58 <Tibfib> twbbas: what a boss
Aug 09 16:59:06 <oilsworkn> rewteeted by patrick
Aug 09 16:59:11 <twbbas> lol
Aug 09 16:59:28 <Tibfib> I thought it was a long time ago so I didn't want to scroll
Aug 09 16:59:32 * Tibfib just tried searching
Aug 09 16:59:50 * twbbas pressed end a couple times on Tibfib's page and ctrl + f for "stacks"
Aug 09 17:01:27 <oilsworkn> pepone: home button?
Aug 09 17:01:44 <pepone> there isn't home button in my MacBook Air
Aug 09 17:01:46 <Tibfib> there rwhitby, the browser issue should be fixed
Aug 09 17:01:57 <Tibfib> rwhitby: was advertising with iframes
Aug 09 17:02:00 <oilsworkn> oh, idk then
Aug 09 17:02:20 <twbbas> noooo, why does flash always crash on my computer and not work unless I restart
Aug 09 17:02:22 <pepone> oilsworkn: in 3.0.0 i can close scrolling with the mouse, but with 3.0.2 that don't work
Aug 09 17:02:48 <oilsworkn> yeah, i got no clue
Aug 09 17:02:54 <oilsworkn> havent used the emulator in a while
Aug 09 17:03:37 * Tibfib hates the emulator
Aug 09 17:04:08 <dwc-> isn't there a Fn+left arrow or something that's a "home" button ?
Aug 09 17:04:30 * oilsworkn has no mac
Aug 09 17:04:34 <Tibfib> it makes me think my apps are egregiously slow
Aug 09 17:04:49 <oilsworkn> i always thought the emulator was too fast
Aug 09 17:04:58 * Tibfib totally had to google that to know how to spell it
Aug 09 17:05:05 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: not the 3.0 one
Aug 09 17:05:08 <oilsworkn> oh
Aug 09 17:05:09 <dwc-> the emulator seems to boot faster than my phone does anyways
Aug 09 17:05:30 <dwc-> oil, maybe try turning off virtualization extensions?
Aug 09 17:05:36 <oilsworkn> i know i ran into problems from testing in the emulator with my game ai
Aug 09 17:05:53 <oilsworkn> it would complete on the emulator, but on device would be too slow and get killed
Aug 09 17:06:09 <oilsworkn> s/too slow/take too long/
Aug 09 17:06:13 <Tibfib> oilsworkn is a murderer
Aug 09 17:06:42 <oilsworkn> it was only the dotgame ai
Aug 09 17:06:46 <oilsworkn> on hard
Aug 09 17:10:25 <dawm> yeah i hate devices
Aug 09 17:10:33 <dawm> emulator/chrome = fast and beautiful
Aug 09 17:10:40 <dawm> device = slow, laggy, latent
Aug 09 17:10:51 <Tibfib> too bad device is what matters.
Aug 09 17:10:56 <summatusmentis> is there any chance ayone has a pre2 that they'd be willing to sell?
Aug 09 17:10:57 <dawm> i know
Aug 09 17:11:16 <dawm> but my app was mojo
Aug 09 17:11:17 <summatusmentis> my pre has kicked the bucket, I think
Aug 09 17:11:21 <dawm> so much overhead
Aug 09 17:11:46 <dawm> the pdk version is smoother, i just havent had time to tinker with it.. plus learning c++ as i go isnt helping
Aug 09 17:12:33 <Tibfib> doh, what's the proper enyo way for window rotation?
Aug 09 17:12:39 <Tibfib> what's it called to find it in the api docs?
Aug 09 17:12:39 <oilsworkn> windowresize?
Aug 09 17:12:48 <oilsworkn> orientation?
Aug 09 17:12:50 <dawm> {pen:ismight->true}
Aug 09 17:13:26 * ctladvance needs the touchpad 4g
Aug 09 17:13:41 <dawm> ill wait for the 6g
Aug 09 17:13:58 <ctladvance> Or as g does it touchpad+
Aug 09 17:14:32 <ctladvance> Well I'll take anything that has a cell radio 4/5/6/7g
Aug 09 17:14:34 <oilsworkn> remember, they're gonna be #1+
Aug 09 17:14:44 <Tibfib> would that be number 2?
Aug 09 17:14:49 <Tibfib> s/would/wouldn't/
Aug 09 17:14:54 <ctladvance> 5g will equal 4g so that should be let
Aug 09 17:14:56 <ctladvance> Lye
Aug 09 17:14:58 <ctladvance> Ugh
Aug 09 17:14:59 <oilsworkn> no, better then 1, like a+ is better then a
Aug 09 17:15:07 <Tibfib> but 1++ === 2
Aug 09 17:15:10 <ctladvance> I need to shut auto correct off
Aug 09 17:15:12 <Tibfib> so it's like 1 and a half?
Aug 09 17:15:15 <oilsworkn> but i only put one + not 2
Aug 09 17:15:17 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 17:15:22 <dawm> pre plus = marginal bump
Aug 09 17:15:27 <Tibfib> pre 1.5
Aug 09 17:15:30 <dawm> touchpad+ = 4g
Aug 09 17:15:30 <Tibfib> BOOM!
Aug 09 17:15:58 <ctladvance> Touchpad 4g is really 3G
Aug 09 17:16:12 <dawm> actually
Aug 09 17:16:15 <ctladvance> 4g isn't real 4g on AT&T
Aug 09 17:16:15 <dawm> isnt its 3G/3G
Aug 09 17:16:22 <dawm> 4g is a marketing term.
Aug 09 17:16:26 <ctladvance> Yep
Aug 09 17:16:34 <ctladvance> Unless u go by the standard
Aug 09 17:16:40 <dawm> no one does
Aug 09 17:16:46 <ctladvance> Nope
Aug 09 17:16:46 <dawm> same thing as broadband
Aug 09 17:16:51 <ctladvance> Well they were
Aug 09 17:16:58 <oilsworkn> well what was that poll? 70% of iphone uesrs think their phone has 4g?
Aug 09 17:16:58 <oilsworkn> heh
Aug 09 17:16:59 <ctladvance> Then they updated the standard
Aug 09 17:17:01 <dawm> us broadband isnt nothing compared to overseas broadband
Aug 09 17:17:02 <twbbas> Don't like 2/3 of iPhone users think theyvha
Aug 09 17:17:08 <twbbas> They have 4G
Aug 09 17:17:14 <oilsworkn> haha
Aug 09 17:17:22 <ctladvance> It's sad
Aug 09 17:17:30 <ctladvance> I bet
Aug 09 17:17:36 * oilsworkn refuses to call the veer "veer 4G"
Aug 09 17:17:43 <dawm> half the iphone users dont know what multitasking is
Aug 09 17:17:44 <Tibfib> whoa
Aug 09 17:17:48 <ctladvance> I am interested to see lightsquared lye
Aug 09 17:17:48 <dawm> the other half, own mac's
Aug 09 17:17:48 <Tibfib> you can test the app menu in chrome
Aug 09 17:17:51 <twbbas> IPhone 3G => iPhone 4 so it must be 4G
Aug 09 17:17:51 <Tibfib> ctrl + ~
Aug 09 17:17:52 <ctladvance> Lte
Aug 09 17:18:01 <oilsworkn> dawm: thats chewing gum and using their phone at the same time!
Aug 09 17:18:14 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: yeah, we all knew that :)
Aug 09 17:18:21 <Loudergood_> my one lte hope has been crushed anyway
Aug 09 17:18:22 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: NO ONE LIKES YOU
Aug 09 17:18:45 <oilsworkn> its ok, i know you do :)
Aug 09 17:18:51 <Tibfib> fair enough
Aug 09 17:18:58 <Loudergood_> still wont be able to take a verizon phone and put it on att or the reverse
Aug 09 17:19:10 <dawm> I need to burn alot of calories today.... I think Ill go set a fat kid on fire.
Aug 09 17:19:12 <oilsworkn> Loudergood_: yeah, that is just ridiculous
Aug 09 17:21:04 <oilsworkn> but really, its because they dont want to become like the eu
Aug 09 17:21:12 <oilsworkn> where you buy a phone and go where you get the best service
Aug 09 17:21:15 <oilsworkn> they want to lock you in
Aug 09 17:21:32 <ctladvance> $$$$
Aug 09 17:21:35 <ctladvance> Bingo
Aug 09 17:21:42 <ctladvance> Bing
Aug 09 17:21:46 <oilsworkn> they may have to actually give good customer service if their customer could leave without large fines
Aug 09 17:22:07 <oilsworkn> ETF and what not
Aug 09 17:22:53 <ctladvance> The eu model doesn't work well in the us, ESP when it doesn't benefit the companies
Aug 09 17:22:57 <ctladvance> ;)
Aug 09 17:24:21 <DraX> i mean even in the US if you have unlocked phones it doesn't really work
Aug 09 17:24:32 <DraX> if you want 3g, you have to make sure your phone supports the correct bands
Aug 09 17:24:40 <DraX> and once you've done that you're locked into a network
Aug 09 17:25:10 <oilsworkn> but even with LTE they're going to make it so you can't take your phone from att to vzw or vice versa
Aug 09 17:26:03 <twbbas> NO
Aug 09 17:26:08 <twbbas> Spotify crashed my flash again
Aug 09 17:26:10 <twbbas> :(
Aug 09 17:26:49 <DraX> isn't there a libspotify? use a real app :)
Aug 09 17:27:15 <twbbas> huh
Aug 09 17:27:41 <DraX> there is a closed-source libspotify from spotify
Aug 09 17:27:53 <twbbas> what's libspotify
Aug 09 17:27:53 <DraX> there are also multiple open-source reverse engineers of it
Aug 09 17:27:58 <DraX> despotify and openspotify
Aug 09 17:28:07 <DraX> c libraries for streaming music from spotify
Aug 09 17:28:18 <DraX> http://despotify.se/
Aug 09 17:28:59 <DraX> ah openspotify is built ontop of despotify
Aug 09 17:29:53 <oilsworkn> i like hte cli :)
Aug 09 17:30:46 <Tibfib> DraX: has spotify ever gotten angry?
Aug 09 17:30:58 <rwatkins> really annoying that launching multiple browser cards doesnt load the page in them till you activate the card.
Aug 09 17:31:07 <DraX> Tibfib: no idea, i've never used spotify
Aug 09 17:31:14 <rwatkins> much less the stacking issue on 3.0 ...
Aug 09 17:31:33 <twbbas> rwatkins: I agree.
Aug 09 17:32:00 <Tibfib> WHATTTT how did I not know this: http://developer.spotify.com/en/libspotify/overview/
Aug 09 17:32:09 <Tibfib> DANGIT non-commercial
Aug 09 17:32:12 <rwatkins> i wanna click "open in new card" a half a dozen times, have my app remain in focus and have them all load in the background, in the same stack.
Aug 09 17:32:31 <Tibfib> If someone wanted to do the c-service, I'd do the front-end
Aug 09 17:33:31 <rwatkins> look thru the spotify app, figure out their c-service. use thiers.
Aug 09 17:33:45 <DraX> Tibfib: there is also pianobar for pandora, but the pandora client for mobile devices is fine
Aug 09 17:33:53 <DraX> i use pianobar at work though, since the flash app is a POS
Aug 09 17:33:54 <Tibfib> yeah, no need
Aug 09 17:33:56 <Tibfib> spotify sucks
Aug 09 17:34:06 <oilsworkn> rwatkins: that can't be done afaik
Aug 09 17:34:09 <Tibfib> DraX: pandora has an html5 page though now doesn't it?
Aug 09 17:34:43 <DraX> does it?
Aug 09 17:34:47 <rwatkins> oilsworkn: app id baked into compiled code?
Aug 09 17:34:52 <oilsworkn> no
Aug 09 17:34:55 <oilsworkn> i mean, the stack thing
Aug 09 17:35:19 <rwatkins> ah, ya. i know. very annoying.
Aug 09 17:35:34 <Tibfib> DraX: I thought they did
Aug 09 17:35:34 <oilsworkn> you can't even specify a stack or a parent to stack with in the new card
Aug 09 17:35:46 <Tibfib> FAIL
Aug 09 17:36:02 <DraX> Tibfib: it's possible, still prefer pianobar though :)
Aug 09 17:36:11 <Tibfib> sure :)
Aug 09 17:36:16 <rwatkins> stack issue is bad, but cant load web page in non-active browser card.  is lame too
Aug 09 17:37:38 <rwatkins> clearly attempting to improve perceived performance to the end user, but geesh this is a multitasking os, right?
Aug 09 17:38:19 <rwatkins> on the desktop I do "open new tab in background" *all* day long.
Aug 09 17:38:44 <oilsworkn> patch browser?
Aug 09 17:38:47 <twbbas> does this look fishy? http://www.sorcim.com/knowledgebase/SHOCKWAVE_FLASH_CRASH.html
Aug 09 17:39:01 <Loudergood_> I often start loading a page and go back to a different card while it loads in the background
Aug 09 17:39:27 <rwatkins> Loudergood_: only works if you let it be active long enough to kick in.
Aug 09 17:39:35 <rwatkins> and falls apart w/ multiple browser cards.
Aug 09 17:39:48 <oilsworkn> is it a webos thing or a browser thing?
Aug 09 17:40:05 <Loudergood_> odd..it usually works for me with 4 or 5 cards
Aug 09 17:40:09 <Loudergood_> gets really sluggish
Aug 09 17:40:14 <rwatkins> Loudergood_: on TP?
Aug 09 17:40:20 <oilsworkn> just remove the part watching the active/inavtive status
Aug 09 17:40:25 <oilsworkn> so it always thinks its active
Aug 09 17:40:25 <Loudergood_> no, that's true...on a pre2
Aug 09 17:40:53 <rwatkins> oilsworkn: hm.
Aug 09 17:41:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 17:41:47 <oilsworkn> just a guess here, since i dont have my tp with me
Aug 09 17:41:53 <oilsworkn> but the browser has a enyo.ApplicationEvents component
Aug 09 17:42:26 <oilsworkn> and uses activated/deactivated event to decide not to show you what its done
Aug 09 17:42:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: Ping.
Aug 09 17:42:42 <Tibfib> pong
Aug 09 17:42:56 <Tibfib> ACEEEEE
Aug 09 17:43:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> just opened Nom and it froze the TouchPad instantaneously
Aug 09 17:43:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-/
Aug 09 17:43:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> never had that happen before
Aug 09 17:43:10 <Tibfib> uh oh
Aug 09 17:43:17 <Tibfib> try it again
Aug 09 17:43:23 <Tibfib> I'm going to guess it was just the TouchPad
Aug 09 17:43:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, same
Aug 09 17:43:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rebooting
Aug 09 17:43:34 <Tibfib> lemme know
Aug 09 17:43:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'll let you know what happens next
Aug 09 17:43:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha yeah
Aug 09 17:43:43 <twbbas>  http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/09/the-lonesome-death-of-webos/
Aug 09 17:43:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> also, are there notifications?
Aug 09 17:43:56 <dawm> i want facebook for exhibition!!.. grr
Aug 09 17:44:30 <Tibfib> twbbas: DUHH, of course they only sold 612
Aug 09 17:44:36 <Tibfib> staples had it for 80 bucks cheaper
Aug 09 17:44:42 <twbbas> Yep
Aug 09 17:45:30 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: not yet
Aug 09 17:45:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Aug 09 17:46:25 <oilsworkn> "I love the TouchPad and the Pre 3 is a good phone"
Aug 09 17:47:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: New version?
Aug 09 17:47:38 <twbbas> Oooo new NomNomNom
Aug 09 17:47:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yum yum yum
Aug 09 17:47:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> or should I say
Aug 09 17:47:52 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: hmmm?
Aug 09 17:47:54 <Tibfib> NOMNOMNOM
Aug 09 17:47:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> NomNomNom
Aug 09 17:47:56 * oilsworkn never gets in on the betas
Aug 09 17:47:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
Aug 09 17:48:03 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: YOU NEVER ASK
Aug 09 17:48:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
Aug 09 17:48:09 <oilsworkn> :(
Aug 09 17:48:14 <oilsworkn>  /wrists
Aug 09 17:48:21 <twbbas> :o
Aug 09 17:48:22 <Tibfib> why would I send it to someone who has never expressed interest?
Aug 09 17:48:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I LOVE the new dark UI
Aug 09 17:48:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good lord that's beautiful
Aug 09 17:48:47 <Tibfib> :)
Aug 09 17:49:02 <oilsworkn> just assume?
Aug 09 17:49:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the cards continue to scroll wonderfully
Aug 09 17:49:33 <twbbas> Tibfib: I like the dark toolbar
Aug 09 17:49:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously, notifications and exhibition as some bonuses, and you're set
Aug 09 17:49:56 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: think notifications are required for first release?
Aug 09 17:50:06 <twbbas> Ya
Aug 09 17:50:10 <twbbas> Lots of competition
Aug 09 17:50:20 <Tibfib> erggh
Aug 09 17:50:38 <Tibfib> but then I need to store the feeds
Aug 09 17:50:48 <twbbas> O
Aug 09 17:51:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-/
Aug 09 17:51:02 <oilsworkn> haha
Aug 09 17:51:12 <twbbas> Offline cache would be nice ;-)
Aug 09 17:51:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they'd be another thing you could market
Aug 09 17:51:31 <oilsworkn> without offline cache rwhitby wont like it
Aug 09 17:51:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously, you've already done the hardest thing: coming up with something intuitive and interesting
Aug 09 17:51:52 <Tibfib> you know, offline cache would only be hard in the storing part
Aug 09 17:51:52 * oilsworkn always feelsl ike IGNTNUNLMTD is yelling
Aug 09 17:51:59 <Tibfib> +1
Aug 09 17:52:02 <twbbas> Lol
Aug 09 17:52:06 <igntnunlmtd> assholes
Aug 09 17:52:09 <oilsworkn> much better :)
Aug 09 17:52:10 <twbbas> Haha
Aug 09 17:52:13 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 09 17:52:13 <igntnunlmtd> ASSHOLES
Aug 09 17:52:19 <twbbas> :o
Aug 09 17:52:20 <igntnunlmtd> MAYBE I'LL SWAP
Aug 09 17:52:26 <oilsworkn> this is not a good change
Aug 09 17:52:33 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: I blame you.
Aug 09 17:52:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I rest my case.
Aug 09 17:52:38 <twbbas> Same
Aug 09 17:52:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's one or the other, your choice ;-)
Aug 09 17:52:53 <twbbas> Neither
Aug 09 17:53:03 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 17:53:06 <Tibfib> hmmm, I'd like to use db8
Aug 09 17:53:15 <Tibfib> buttttt that has limits
Aug 09 17:53:20 <Tibfib> pathetic limits
Aug 09 17:53:37 <oilsworkn> db8 is useless
Aug 09 17:53:41 <oilsworkn> forget it exists
Aug 09 17:53:46 <Tibfib> it's super fast
Aug 09 17:53:48 <Tibfib> I can't
Aug 09 17:54:19 <ianbeck> Wish Node.js could read SQLite databases
Aug 09 17:54:20 <oilsworkn> oh, im sure its awesome, but all the limitations make it useless to me
Aug 09 17:54:28 <Tibfib> ianbeck: yeaaah
Aug 09 17:54:39 <Tibfib> I'd like to move the greader loading into a service
Aug 09 17:54:50 <ianbeck> All the solutions that add that capability require C code, though, which is a no-op at the moment
Aug 09 17:54:57 <twbbas> NomNomNom should use cookies to be ironic
Aug 09 17:55:03 <oilsworkn> yeah, its really too bad there isn't a good shared storage between mojo/enyo and node
Aug 09 17:55:04 <Tibfib> LOTS and lots of cookies
Aug 09 17:55:23 <oilsworkn> it would make node much more useful
Aug 09 17:55:35 <ianbeck> Wouldn't even have to be shared between Node and Mojo/Enyo
Aug 09 17:55:40 <ianbeck> Since they can call Node services
Aug 09 17:55:48 <ianbeck> We just need decent storage options exposed to Node, period
Aug 09 17:56:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> anyone else want box shadow in webOS? :-/
Aug 09 17:56:14 <Tibfib> hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 09 17:56:21 <Tibfib> I dunno what to do with myselllllf
Aug 09 17:56:31 <oilsworkn> remember, down the road not across!
Aug 09 17:57:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol what is it with you and suicide today
Aug 09 17:58:40 <Tibfib> I could use db8 and cull the data
Aug 09 17:59:09 <Tibfib> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 09 17:59:17 * PatrickC wanders in
Aug 09 17:59:28 * Tibfib shuts door before PatrickC gets in
Aug 09 17:59:43 * PatrickC walks into the #java room then
Aug 09 17:59:58 * Tibfib didn't think that would work
Aug 09 18:00:03 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 18:00:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ew java </troll>
Aug 09 18:00:28 <oilsworkn> he is gonna go there to learn javascript
Aug 09 18:00:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> bahahahaha
Aug 09 18:00:39 <oilsworkn> cause, its like java, right? i mean, its got it in the name!
Aug 09 18:00:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you win the internets
Aug 09 18:00:48 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: java must me a simpler version of javascript
Aug 09 18:00:56 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 18:00:56 <Tibfib> s/me/be/
Aug 09 18:01:22 <oilsworkn> you're a simpler version of javascript
Aug 09 18:01:36 <hotdp> Does anyone know about how to make a custom keyboard on TP or where to start looking?
Aug 09 18:01:41 <Tibfib> twbbas: in my mind I pronounce your name twub + us
Aug 09 18:01:50 <twbbas> Lol
Aug 09 18:02:01 * oilsworkn too
Aug 09 18:02:08 <oilsworkn> hotdp: what do you mean?
Aug 09 18:02:11 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: I pronounce your name in my head Ig + nit + blergghhgh
Aug 09 18:02:23 <hotdp> we have ÆØÅ letters
Aug 09 18:02:50 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD, twbbas: sooo I think notifications are gonna be in the first update
Aug 09 18:02:56 <PatrickC> hotdp: I'm making a vkb that will have configurable languages
Aug 09 18:02:57 <oilsworkn> haha
Aug 09 18:02:58 <Tibfib> I want to get it out there
Aug 09 18:02:59 <Muhb> Is there a means by which I can lower the "high temp" threshold of uberkernel + govnah from 55C down to 45C or so?
Aug 09 18:02:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> \o/
Aug 09 18:03:00 <PatrickC> its mojo though
Aug 09 18:03:06 <dawm> ignite and unlimited is what i see
Aug 09 18:03:11 <oilsworkn> not only mojo, but its in a popup, no?
Aug 09 18:03:12 <hotdp> PatrickC WOHO
Aug 09 18:03:13 <PatrickC> ^ me too
Aug 09 18:03:16 <hotdp> how soon?
Aug 09 18:03:17 <oilsworkn> not exactly going to work on 3.,x
Aug 09 18:03:20 <oilsworkn> where popups are in the top right
Aug 09 18:03:21 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: yeah
Aug 09 18:03:23 <oilsworkn> not at hte bottom
Aug 09 18:03:29 <PatrickC> hotdp: not sure
Aug 09 18:03:35 <hotdp> need any help?
Aug 09 18:03:36 <oilsworkn> hotdp: afaik there isn't
Aug 09 18:03:40 <PatrickC> hotdp: sure!
Aug 09 18:03:43 <Tibfib> poor hotdp
Aug 09 18:03:47 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 18:04:07 <hotdp> its crap to type in our own langauge :S
Aug 09 18:04:07 <PatrickC> hotdp: I can send you the current source, and the last working source
Aug 09 18:04:19 <PatrickC> the current source non-working
Aug 09 18:04:20 <hotdp> pm me with the details
Aug 09 18:04:23 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 09 18:05:02 <oilsworkn> someone was looking at your keyboard code last night after you left
Aug 09 18:05:12 <oilsworkn> they thought you needed to learn how loops work
Aug 09 18:05:18 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 18:05:19 <dawm> hahaha
Aug 09 18:05:19 <PatrickC> who?
Aug 09 18:05:23 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: knows how it goes, he can help
Aug 09 18:05:27 <oilsworkn> i dont remember
Aug 09 18:05:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: Phonetic Pronunciation: ɪgˈnɪʃən unˈlɪmətəd
Aug 09 18:05:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Is that more helpful?
Aug 09 18:05:51 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: it didn't come out well here
Aug 09 18:05:53 <Tibfib> looks funnnny
Aug 09 18:05:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> bollocks
Aug 09 18:06:05 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 18:06:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Y U NO STANDARDIZE TEXT ENCODING
Aug 09 18:06:37 <Tibfib> mines in utf8
Aug 09 18:06:47 <PatrickC> webos hates text encoding
Aug 09 18:06:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yep, that'd be why
Aug 09 18:06:53 <dawm> your mom
Aug 09 18:07:08 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: try again
Aug 09 18:07:13 <Tibfib> disabled utf8
Aug 09 18:07:17 <twbbas> Tibfib: I pronounce your name in my head "tye" - "bee" - "fye" - "bee"
Aug 09 18:07:21 <twbbas> But not really
Aug 09 18:07:24 <dawm> əeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəe :D
Aug 09 18:07:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 09 18:07:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ɪgˈnɪʃən unˈlɪmətəd
Aug 09 18:07:41 <Tibfib> twbbas: hehe, mine should be pretty easy to pronounce
Aug 09 18:07:46 <twbbas> Ya
Aug 09 18:07:48 <twbbas> .
Aug 09 18:07:51 <twbbas> Oops
Aug 09 18:07:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dawm: I pronounce that "AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYAYAYAYAY"
Aug 09 18:07:54 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: came out properly, can't read it
Aug 09 18:08:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I know, I can't either lol
Aug 09 18:08:02 <dawm> tye buh fy buh?
Aug 09 18:08:10 <Tibfib> dawm: getting close
Aug 09 18:08:14 <dawm> :P
Aug 09 18:08:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> tihb-fihb
Aug 09 18:08:27 <Tibfib> winner winner
Aug 09 18:08:28 <hotdp> oilsworkn: do you know where the keyboards are stored and if we can edit them?
Aug 09 18:08:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> zing
Aug 09 18:09:10 <Tibfib> bbl
Aug 09 18:09:24 <PatrickC> cya
Aug 09 18:09:59 <dawm> ugh
Aug 09 18:10:13 <dawm> played 2 games of words w/ friends with 'my girl'
Aug 09 18:10:13 <oilsworkn> gah webchat
Aug 09 18:10:18 <dawm> lost both by over 150 pts
Aug 09 18:10:20 <dawm> i think i have a winner
Aug 09 18:10:56 <twbbas> or does that mean she has a loser
Aug 09 18:11:15 <oilsworkn> shh she might hear you
Aug 09 18:11:44 <twbbas> ya because dawm's IRC client has text-to-speech for every line
Aug 09 18:11:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my ex was quite good at scrabble
Aug 09 18:11:47 <dawm> no i won the previous game by like 200 heh
Aug 09 18:12:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 800 on her verbal SAT
Aug 09 18:12:10 <dawm> i nailed every Triple Word score with X's and Y's
Aug 09 18:12:11 * hotdp finds the tp app catalog search broken?
Aug 09 18:14:49 <oilsworkn> thats right, i was going to patch the cat last night, forgot to
Aug 09 18:21:59 <fxspec06_pre2> #WildnVideoPoker HD now available in the @HP #TouchPad App Catalog for $.99 @palm @webosworld @precentral @Adora @webosdev @villoservices
Aug 09 18:22:01 <oilsworkn> oh, wircer
Aug 09 18:22:41 <dawm> string quartet tribute to marilyn manson - the speed of pain
Aug 09 18:22:55 <dawm> sounds like a scary movie intro
Aug 09 18:26:08 <oilsworkn> you know, if i ran precentral, a playbook ad is the last thing i would show fullscreen to my visitors
Aug 09 18:26:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh man... Apple won the initial injunction against Samsung re: the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Europe... they're not allowed to sell it for the time being
Aug 09 18:26:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oilsworkn: we complained, they ignored
Aug 09 18:27:01 <oilsworkn> feels like its gone down hill since dieter left
Aug 09 18:28:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I indefinitely moved to webOSRoundup forums-wise
Aug 09 18:28:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's much nicer there
Aug 09 18:29:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no stupid whiners
Aug 09 18:29:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the staff cracks down on them
Aug 09 18:29:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's just good webOS discussion with no hassle
Aug 09 18:30:41 <fxspec06_pre2> is it
Aug 09 18:30:51 <fxspec06_pre2> I wanna try but been busy
Aug 09 18:31:24 <fxspec06_pre2> gotta do hig res images asap but not home. and got update redy now but cant submit til 2moro
Aug 09 18:31:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> problem with PC is that it's run by... not webOS people. Edited, yeah, by Derek Kessler, who's good, but the owner is "Smartphone Experts"
Aug 09 18:32:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> who couldn't give two shits about webOS other than the advertising revenue PC generates
Aug 09 18:35:14 <leiru> hi
Aug 09 18:35:17 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: are the wor forms really good?
Aug 09 18:35:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes, because they have no people who bitch and moan about what HP doesn't do right. That being said, there IS adequate constructive criticism, and it's nice
Aug 09 18:36:14 * PatrickC bookmarks those forms
Aug 09 18:36:17 <PatrickC> forums*
Aug 09 18:37:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the staff has no tolerance to the stuff that's turned PreCentral into such an awful battleground
Aug 09 18:41:18 <hotdp> How do i look in the source good of webos3.0 ? (have to create the keyboard)
Aug 09 18:42:51 <oilsworkn> IGNTNUNLMTD: the smartphone experts comment is invalid, its not like webosroundup doesn't do windowsphoneroundup or whateverroundup as well
Aug 09 18:43:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah, I was unaware of that
Aug 09 18:43:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my mistake
Aug 09 18:43:16 <oilsworkn> and they dont have good integration between their different parts
Aug 09 18:43:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> WOR feels more independent, I guess is what it is
Aug 09 18:43:35 <oilsworkn> i know i've registered for their forums before, the qa thing, the other thing
Aug 09 18:43:38 <oilsworkn> there is no integration
Aug 09 18:43:42 <oilsworkn> i need like 9 accounts for that one site
Aug 09 18:44:46 <PatrickC> yeah, I noticed that
Aug 09 18:45:06 <oilsworkn> at least at precentral i only needed to register once
Aug 09 18:45:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> twice
Aug 09 18:45:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Main site != forum account
Aug 09 18:45:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but you have a point
Aug 09 18:45:36 <oilsworkn> huh, i must have not remembered registering twice then
Aug 09 18:45:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> all I was saying is that the WOR forum is a nice place to be right now
Aug 09 18:45:56 <oilsworkn> not trying to say pc is better or anything haha
Aug 09 18:46:05 <oilsworkn> id rather just not use a forum at all
Aug 09 18:46:22 <oilsworkn> though my thank-to-post ratio on pc was excelent :)
Aug 09 18:46:23 <fxspec06_pre2> cmon guys dont trash precentral
Aug 09 18:47:27 * PatrickC makes note to set up forums on an independent, webos loving site called webOS World :)
Aug 09 18:47:29 <fxspec06_pre2> if it wasnt for precentral who here wouldnt be here rigt now?
Aug 09 18:47:49 * oilsworkn would still be here
Aug 09 18:48:46 <fxspec06_pre2> its still a great site. just coz its not perfect doesnt mean its trash
Aug 09 18:49:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'd still be on this IRC channel, but I'd be less angry
Aug 09 18:49:29 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 18:49:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nothing pisses me off more than the users who think HP has to treat them like gods
Aug 09 18:50:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's capitalism: if you don't like it, pack your bags and take it to the competition, because they're clearly better, *right*?
Aug 09 18:52:58 * oilsworkn is a webos fanboy, and doesn't have much to say about other platforms
Aug 09 18:53:09 <HattCzech_work> dawm: downloaded the jar, thanks
Aug 09 18:53:46 * IGNTNUNLMTD won't attack unless provoked.
Aug 09 18:54:08 * PatrickC pokes IGNTNUNLMTD 
Aug 09 18:54:27 <oilsworkn> arguing about such things is a waste of time
Aug 09 18:55:20 <oilsworkn> I could be wrong, but I don't think ANYONE has EVER changed someones mind by arguing with them over the internet
Aug 09 18:55:29 <oilsworkn> in the history of the internet
Aug 09 18:55:30 <halfhalo-work> well......
Aug 09 18:55:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's not true
Aug 09 18:55:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I've had my mind changed and I've changed minds for sure
Aug 09 18:55:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> in the car forum-o-sphere
Aug 09 18:55:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for sure
Aug 09 18:56:09 <oilsworkn> lol car forums
Aug 09 18:57:04 <ianbeck> Re: arguing on the internet http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2011/08/03/so-youre-mad-about-something-on-the-internet/
Aug 09 18:57:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> That's so last Wednesday, ianbeck
Aug 09 18:57:40 <oilsworkn> haha
Aug 09 18:57:44 <oilsworkn> argue about it!
Aug 09 18:57:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahaha
Aug 09 18:58:13 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: stop trolling
Aug 09 18:58:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> okay... so I'm using a Treo Pro right now
Aug 09 18:58:17 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 18:58:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> there are some things about this phone
Aug 09 18:58:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that are SO much more intuitive than anything available today
Aug 09 18:58:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I miss the old days of smartphones
Aug 09 18:58:55 <oilsworkn> see, PuffTheMagic and I have argued over hte internet many times
Aug 09 18:59:02 <oilsworkn> but i dont think we ever changed each others minds
Aug 09 18:59:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> before the iPhone was considered one
Aug 09 18:59:09 <oilsworkn> just one gives up before the other
Aug 09 18:59:14 <oilsworkn> because they're more tired of the arguing
Aug 09 19:00:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I would LOVE a high-powered Pixi form-factor
Aug 09 19:00:06 <PuffTheMagic> no, i never give up, oilsworkn gives up on purpose cause he knows it pisses me off even more
Aug 09 19:00:11 <PuffTheMagic> IGNTNUNLMTD: ++
Aug 09 19:00:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 09 19:00:25 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 19:00:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> this Treo Pro is making me remember
Aug 09 19:00:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-(
Aug 09 19:00:32 <oilsworkn> its part of my arguing tactics
Aug 09 19:00:47 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: my best friend in HS used to pull that shit too
Aug 09 19:00:53 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 09 19:01:14 <oilsworkn> ok, time for lunch, bbl
Aug 09 19:02:24 <pepone> Hi, in my application $("Plugin") , doesn't work, do i need to include "mojo.js"? or should be it there when include "enyo.js"
Aug 09 19:03:46 <PatrickC> bbl. gonna mow the lawn
Aug 09 19:06:01 <twbbas> https://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=10150249543542131
Aug 09 19:06:26 <twbbas> when do we get that in webOS
Aug 09 19:06:29 <twbbas> oh wait, we have Just Type
Aug 09 19:06:59 <twbbas> I want google hangouts though
Aug 09 19:07:05 <twbbas> or err huddle?
Aug 09 19:07:09 <twbbas> whichever one has the group chat
Aug 09 19:09:56 <twbbas> aww, my Spotify free trial ended :(
Aug 09 19:14:31 <pepone> what it means "In the setup function of the assistant class", https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/pdk/pdl/pdl-call-js.html i don't know where to do the JS binding for the plug-in function
Aug 09 19:15:29 <twbbas> wait nvm false alarm
Aug 09 19:19:10 <fxspec06_pre2> ...........
Aug 09 19:19:18 <fxspec06_pre2> wirc froze again =/
Aug 09 19:19:42 <summatusmentis> that's better than your whole phone locking up
Aug 09 19:20:21 <summatusmentis> which is what mine has been doing
Aug 09 19:23:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ouch
Aug 09 19:24:35 <fxspec06_pre2> hmm ya thats no good
Aug 09 19:24:45 <summatusmentis> I think it has to do with uberkernel
Aug 09 19:24:54 <summatusmentis> but I'm worried it's weird hardware stuff
Aug 09 19:25:27 <HattCzech_work> anyone purchased ssl certs? i'm looking for a cheap one
Aug 09 19:25:35 <fxspec06_pre2> probably weird hardware stuff. pre's have a hard time w/ long lifespans
Aug 09 19:28:14 <summatusmentis> fxspec06_pre2: it's cobbled together from two older ones
Aug 09 19:28:22 <summatusmentis> so, yeah, weird hardware stuff is entirely feasible
Aug 09 19:28:37 <fxspec06_pre2> lol
Aug 09 19:29:51 <summatusmentis> seems to be running ok on stock kernel though
Aug 09 19:31:35 <fxspec06_pre2> its prolly heat issue.
Aug 09 19:31:49 <fxspec06_pre2> lower voltages
Aug 09 19:32:50 <summatusmentis> would heat cause it to lock up?
Aug 09 19:34:54 <fxspec06_pre2> ya it would. if too muc heat it could freeze, reboot, other things as well
Aug 09 19:35:30 <summatusmentis> interesting, you're probably right then, that's exactly what I'm seeing
Aug 09 19:35:35 <summatusmentis> random freezes and reboots
Aug 09 19:36:25 * summatusmentis goes to figure out how to lower voltages
Aug 09 19:38:47 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: pre2?
Aug 09 19:39:14 <Tibfib_> sheeesh my internet is slow
Aug 09 19:39:21 <Tibfib_> started dling team fortress 2 this morning
Aug 09 19:39:23 <Tibfib_> not done yet.
Aug 09 19:39:41 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: nope, pre-
Aug 09 19:39:47 <Tibfib_> oh, interesting
Aug 09 19:39:53 <summatusmentis> haven't been able to afford a pre2
Aug 09 19:40:56 <KungfuJoe> Hey, is anyone available to help me with a (hopefully) quick Hybrid question?
Aug 09 19:46:14 <Tibfib> KungfuJoe: ask your question and if someone knows they'll post
Aug 09 19:46:22 <KungfuJoe> ok
Aug 09 19:46:47 <KungfuJoe> It appears that the callback in my JS is not getting hit
Aug 09 19:47:02 <KungfuJoe> I took it pretty much verbatim from ShapeSpin
Aug 09 19:47:16 <KungfuJoe> doesnt PDL_CallJS("ready", NULL, 0); do the trick?
Aug 09 19:47:46 <KungfuJoe> If that gets hit in the main function of my C++, chouldn't the callback fire?
Aug 09 19:48:12 <oil> and what did you do on the js side?
Aug 09 19:48:45 <KungfuJoe> kind: enyo.Hybrid,
Aug 09 19:49:13 <oil> this.$.plugin.addCallback('ready', enyo.bind(this, 'ready'));
Aug 09 19:49:23 <KungfuJoe> and I have a JS function called handlePluginReady(inSender)
Aug 09 19:49:29 <oil> oh
Aug 09 19:49:32 <oil> idk about that
Aug 09 19:49:41 <PuffTheMagic> s/ready/handlePuginRead
Aug 09 19:50:11 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: use oils example but switch ready with your function name
Aug 09 19:50:29 <oil> i mean, there is the initial hybrid plugin ready thing
Aug 09 19:50:42 <oil> as part of the hybrid kind
Aug 09 19:50:42 <KungfuJoe> It appears that when you define a kind: enyo.Hybrid, you can define a parameter called onPluginReady
Aug 09 19:50:44 <KungfuJoe> right
Aug 09 19:50:54 <PuffTheMagic> correct
Aug 09 19:50:55 <oil> yeah
Aug 09 19:51:03 <oil> after that you add your callbacks
Aug 09 19:51:06 <PuffTheMagic> ohh duhh
Aug 09 19:51:10 <PuffTheMagic> ignore what i was saying
Aug 09 19:51:12 <PuffTheMagic> brain fart
Aug 09 19:51:24 <KungfuJoe> :O ShapeSpin didn't do that...ok. I'll give that a shot
Aug 09 19:51:39 <oil> oh, idk about shapespin
Aug 09 19:51:54 <KungfuJoe> it's one of the sample Hybrid apps
Aug 09 19:52:02 <KungfuJoe> and I got it to work
Aug 09 19:52:06 <KungfuJoe> So...hmmm
Aug 09 19:52:14 <PuffTheMagic> is your plugin even starting
Aug 09 19:52:15 <KungfuJoe> well, it can't hurt to try it out
Aug 09 19:52:21 <KungfuJoe> Presumably
Aug 09 19:52:28 <PuffTheMagic> do u have callbacks for the other 2 hybrid events?
Aug 09 19:52:32 <oil> i thought onPluginReady was done automatically?
Aug 09 19:52:33 <KungfuJoe> when I make calls to methods inside of the plugin, they throw an exception
Aug 09 19:52:39 <PuffTheMagic> onConnect and onDisconnect
Aug 09 19:52:42 <PuffTheMagic> or what ever the are
Aug 09 19:52:50 <PuffTheMagic> onConnect gets called before Ready
Aug 09 19:52:56 <KungfuJoe> No, I do not (and neither did ShapeSpin)
Aug 09 19:53:02 <KungfuJoe> hmm
Aug 09 19:53:02 <KungfuJoe> ok
Aug 09 19:53:04 <PuffTheMagic> well u should add connect
Aug 09 19:53:07 <PuffTheMagic> it will help debug
Aug 09 19:53:14 <KungfuJoe> Cool, I'll definately check that out
Aug 09 19:53:17 <PuffTheMagic> if u dont get the connect event its def not starting
Aug 09 19:53:27 <PuffTheMagic> make sure your appinfo is correct
Aug 09 19:53:34 <PuffTheMagic> and does not have misc whitespace
Aug 09 19:53:40 <PuffTheMagic> i know what pisses off enyo or whatever
Aug 09 19:53:46 <PuffTheMagic> i hard a hard time thinking my plugin was broken
Aug 09 19:53:50 <KungfuJoe> What I do know is that doing this.$.plugin.callPluginMethod() throws a "Plugin Not Ready" exception
Aug 09 19:54:11 <PuffTheMagic> ya you cant do that still after u get the ready event
Aug 09 19:54:12 <Shadyman> KungfuJoe: Plugins aren't ready instantly on app startup
Aug 09 19:54:17 <PuffTheMagic> s/still/till
Aug 09 19:54:42 <KungfuJoe> right, I get that. But I was thinking that might be proof that onConnect is working properly
Aug 09 19:54:50 <KungfuJoe> possibly
Aug 09 19:55:08 <oil> and the whole calling a plugin method from within a plugin callback fail
Aug 09 19:55:19 <oil> you have to defer or whatever the enyo equiv is for it to not fail
Aug 09 19:55:31 <PuffTheMagic> there is a easy way to do that
Aug 09 19:55:34 <PuffTheMagic> built into hybird
Aug 09 19:55:38 <oil> yeah, is aw it
Aug 09 19:55:49 <oil> when registering the callback its got that async option
Aug 09 19:56:00 <KungfuJoe> Oh right
Aug 09 19:56:04 <KungfuJoe> I've tried the Deferred thing
Aug 09 19:56:07 <KungfuJoe> it just never fires
Aug 09 19:56:10 <PuffTheMagic> its nasty though
Aug 09 19:56:11 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Aug 09 19:56:12 <KungfuJoe> that's part of the issue
Aug 09 19:56:13 <PuffTheMagic> its way slow
Aug 09 19:56:21 <PuffTheMagic> it might get fired in the next 10 min
Aug 09 19:56:31 <oil> lol
Aug 09 19:56:31 <KungfuJoe> Jeez. My C++ is like 30 lines long
Aug 09 19:56:42 <KungfuJoe> Ok, well
Aug 09 19:56:59 <KungfuJoe> Thanks for the help. I'll check out onConnect and see if I get any mroe info out of this thing
Aug 09 19:57:08 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: onPluginConnected
Aug 09 19:57:13 <PuffTheMagic> onPluginDisconnected
Aug 09 19:57:15 <KungfuJoe> ah, ty
Aug 09 19:57:19 <PuffTheMagic> are the ones i was talking about
Aug 09 19:57:30 <PuffTheMagic> onConnect is when the plugin is launched
Aug 09 19:57:36 <PuffTheMagic> onDiscconect is when it gets killed
Aug 09 19:57:39 <oil> in wirc we dont do anything with connected/disconnected
Aug 09 19:57:42 <oil> only pluginReady
Aug 09 19:57:45 <PuffTheMagic> and onReady is after all the methods are registered
Aug 09 19:58:09 <PuffTheMagic> oil: i still have callbacks for them dumping to console for debug purpose
Aug 09 19:58:19 <oil> yeah
Aug 09 19:58:19 <PuffTheMagic> and they will be nice to know if plugin crashes
Aug 09 19:58:32 <PuffTheMagic> can actually inform user now
Aug 09 19:58:45 <KungfuJoe> hmm. ok...so, the order of the whoe thing is oPC, oC, oR, oD, oPD?
Aug 09 19:59:43 <Tibfib> okay node.js services look pretty easy
Aug 09 19:59:50 <halfhalo-work> heh
Aug 09 19:59:54 <halfhalo-work> heheh
Aug 09 20:00:02 <KungfuJoe> bbl, afk
Aug 09 20:00:16 <Tibfib> the trickier part looks to be activity manager
Aug 09 20:01:06 * summatusmentis ponders AFS client as a service
Aug 09 20:06:37 <bemjb> halfhalo-work: yup, indeed. Did the crazy palm people hire you?
Aug 09 20:06:45 <halfhalo-work> internship
Aug 09 20:06:52 <bemjb> nice.
Aug 09 20:07:39 <halfhalo-work> yup.
Aug 09 20:08:29 <Tibfib> he fooled them
Aug 09 20:09:14 <DraX> hehe, i have a thread in my inbox where everyones name starts with an A
Aug 09 20:09:27 <DraX> <-- easily amused
Aug 09 20:09:31 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 09 20:09:41 <Tibfib> DraX: do you have experience with the activity manager?
Aug 09 20:09:48 <DraX> Tibfib: no, it looks scarty
Aug 09 20:10:14 <Tibfib> hey look an example app
Aug 09 20:10:20 <PatrickC> hey
Aug 09 20:11:46 <DraX> Tibfib: in general i've had considerably better luck reading palm source than reading their docs
Aug 09 20:11:57 <Tibfib> DraX: agreeed
Aug 09 20:12:04 <Tibfib> that's why I was hoping you had experience :)
Aug 09 20:12:16 <Tibfib> experience/sample code
Aug 09 20:13:10 * DraX wonders how long he can procrastinate actually testing his code
Aug 09 20:13:17 <Tibfib> forever
Aug 09 20:13:31 * PatrickC thinks its Java time!
Aug 09 20:13:40 * PuffTheMagic shoots PatrickC
Aug 09 20:13:41 <Tibfib> github_js is a great account to follow
Aug 09 20:13:50 <Tibfib> s/account/twitter account/
Aug 09 20:13:57 <DraX> java :(
Aug 09 20:14:02 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib: something i can integrate into Tide?
Aug 09 20:14:07 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: I was told that Java would help get me into better practices..
Aug 09 20:14:13 <summatusmentis> DraX: I'm _really_ good at procrastinating testing code
Aug 09 20:14:18 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: hmmm?
Aug 09 20:14:18 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC: learn python
Aug 09 20:14:38 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: I have no need of python. I have need of Java though
Aug 09 20:14:50 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC: python is crossplatform
Aug 09 20:14:53 <PuffTheMagic> its OOP
Aug 09 20:14:55 <Muhb> anyone here have an un-meta-fied webos 1.0.3 doctor laying around, p'raps?
Aug 09 20:15:02 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC: you do have a need for python
Aug 09 20:15:03 <Tibfib> dang
Aug 09 20:15:09 <PuffTheMagic> you have no need for java
Aug 09 20:15:21 <Tibfib> java are for suxors
Aug 09 20:15:25 <PatrickC> what would I use python for?
Aug 09 20:15:27 <dawm> SUX0RS
Aug 09 20:15:34 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC: anything you would use java for
Aug 09 20:15:38 <PatrickC> I need java for android dev.
Aug 09 20:15:42 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 09 20:15:44 <DraX> PatrickC: jython
Aug 09 20:15:48 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 20:15:50 <dawm> thought droid was python too
Aug 09 20:15:51 <Muhb> JYTHON
Aug 09 20:15:53 <PuffTheMagic> you should be banned from here for droid dev
Aug 09 20:16:02 <summatusmentis> hey now
Aug 09 20:16:03 <Tibfib> PatrickC: you should be learning javascript and using phonegap
Aug 09 20:16:04 * PatrickC hangs head in shame
Aug 09 20:16:13 <Muhb> Jython++
Aug 09 20:16:13 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC: lower!
Aug 09 20:16:14 <summatusmentis> I'm supposed to be learning android dev this summer
Aug 09 20:17:03 * PatrickC would be learning Objc.. but has *no mac* and won't be getting one for a while now..
Aug 09 20:17:11 <PuffTheMagic> my colleague just got back from defcon and blackhat
Aug 09 20:17:17 <PuffTheMagic> his laptop got hacked the first day
Aug 09 20:17:20 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: what changed?
Aug 09 20:17:25 <PuffTheMagic> within an hour of being on the network
Aug 09 20:17:27 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 09 20:17:29 <dawm> haha
Aug 09 20:17:32 <PuffTheMagic> someone changed his bios
Aug 09 20:17:36 <PuffTheMagic> and password protected it
Aug 09 20:17:48 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: I've heard that about defcon, they pretty much recommend you don't bring a computer
Aug 09 20:17:51 <dawm> nice
Aug 09 20:17:51 <DraX> PatrickC: use GNUStep
Aug 09 20:17:51 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: parents decided I don't *need* it right now.. they want me to focus on school and not play with a new toy :P
Aug 09 20:17:54 <summatusmentis> or if you do, don't connect it
Aug 09 20:18:15 <PatrickC> DraX: windows compatible?
Aug 09 20:18:23 <DraX> PatrickC: i believe so
Aug 09 20:18:28 <PatrickC> (sorry, busy doing stuff. don't want to google atm :)
Aug 09 20:18:31 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: didn't you say you were homeschooled? Doesn't that give you the ability to steer your education?
Aug 09 20:18:33 <PatrickC> I'll look into it
Aug 09 20:18:35 <DraX> http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Installation_on_Windows
Aug 09 20:19:11 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: yeah. they might let me get it in september if I show that I'm willing to keep up with my 7 or 8 subjects I have w/o objc
Aug 09 20:19:30 <summatusmentis> oof
Aug 09 20:19:34 <summatusmentis> that's a lot of subjects
Aug 09 20:19:38 <PatrickC> yeah...
Aug 09 20:19:44 * Tibfib laughs
Aug 09 20:20:02 <PatrickC> well, lets see. wait.. maybe its only 5..
Aug 09 20:20:05 * summatusmentis is taking at most 4 classes next semester
Aug 09 20:20:07 * PatrickC doesn't know anything
Aug 09 20:20:16 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: college !== high school.
Aug 09 20:20:21 <summatusmentis> no kidding
Aug 09 20:20:33 <summatusmentis> and arguably all of my classes are in the same subject
Aug 09 20:20:42 <summatusmentis> grad school !== college
Aug 09 20:21:04 <Tibfib> magic !== mojo
Aug 09 20:21:05 <PatrickC> !developer
Aug 09 20:21:11 <dawm> !penismighty
Aug 09 20:21:19 <PatrickC> Tibfib: no. magic == enyo
Aug 09 20:21:22 <Tibfib> heeyy, what a second
Aug 09 20:21:26 <Tibfib> s/what/wait/
Aug 09 20:21:29 <Tibfib> PatrickC: ...
Aug 09 20:21:35 <dawm> Tibfib, are you on a computer?
Aug 09 20:21:38 <PatrickC> s/no/yes/
Aug 09 20:21:47 <Tibfib> dawm: yes
Aug 09 20:21:59 <dawm> do you have apple's iOS autocorrect ported and running or something?
Aug 09 20:22:04 <dawm> you say the wrong word A LOT
Aug 09 20:22:09 <Tibfib> hahaha
Aug 09 20:22:10 <Tibfib> I do
Aug 09 20:22:18 <Tibfib> I just try and type too fast
Aug 09 20:22:22 <dawm> i mean seriously today alone ive seen you s// sooooo much
Aug 09 20:22:38 <Tibfib> It happens...
Aug 09 20:22:51 <dawm> a lot
Aug 09 20:22:55 <DraX> i succumbed. I'm testing my code :(
Aug 09 20:23:04 <Tibfib> dawm: Sorry I'm not perfect like yourself
Aug 09 20:23:05 <dawm> now look at drax..
Aug 09 20:23:10 <Shadyman> When you go to Defcon/Blackhat... Bring a fresh, clean $300 laptop and harden the fark out of it. SSH tunnel to your home for security, and don't do anything unsecured.
Aug 09 20:23:14 <dawm> lower case i to begin his sentence.. then I'm correctly
Aug 09 20:23:17 <summatusmentis> dawm: DON'T DO IT
Aug 09 20:23:17 <leiru> FrOSCon 2011 HD is there!
Aug 09 20:23:19 <Shadyman> Don't keep anything important on it.
Aug 09 20:23:43 <dawm> summatusmentis, where?
Aug 09 20:23:52 <dawm> s/where/what
Aug 09 20:23:57 <Tibfib> BOOM ROASTED
Aug 09 20:23:57 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 09 20:23:57 <summatusmentis> eff. that was directed at DraX
Aug 09 20:24:04 <summatusmentis> d<tab> doesn't always work :)
Aug 09 20:24:13 <dawm> you guys need to learn to speel
Aug 09 20:24:17 <leiru> oil: the batch i talked about was just pushed to the servers...
Aug 09 20:24:22 <DraX> summatusmentis: maybe i'll be overwhlemed by the compile errors :)
Aug 09 20:24:55 <summatusmentis> as it stands now, I'm overwhelmed by my code working correctly
Aug 09 20:25:02 <summatusmentis> this is new and different for me
Aug 09 20:25:40 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: what's new and different? js?
Aug 09 20:25:51 <summatusmentis> no, my code being functional
Aug 09 20:26:04 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 20:26:08 <summatusmentis> js is only kind of new, and sorta different
Aug 09 20:26:13 <PatrickC> my code is never functional
Aug 09 20:26:15 <summatusmentis> but I'm not working js right now
Aug 09 20:26:43 <PatrickC> what are you using then?
Aug 09 20:26:47 <summatusmentis> C
Aug 09 20:26:51 <summatusmentis> it's for work
Aug 09 20:26:52 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 09 20:27:08 * PatrickC feels a little like rod on #webos-internals
Aug 09 20:27:11 <PatrickC> is that good?
Aug 09 20:27:39 <Tibfib> for rod, no
Aug 09 20:27:50 <PatrickC> for me
Aug 09 20:27:53 <DraX> summatusmentis: yeah i'm writing c++ right now
Aug 09 20:27:59 <PatrickC> does that mean I'm growing up?
Aug 09 20:28:09 <Tibfib> If you have to ask, no
Aug 09 20:28:44 <dawm> is it normal for UNKNOWN CALLER to be 000000000 on pre2?
Aug 09 20:28:45 <KungfuJoe> I gave adding onPlugin(Dis)Connected a shot. It appears that those aren't firing either
Aug 09 20:28:57 <DraX> PatrickC: do you go out of your way to get picked on? :)
Aug 09 20:29:06 <PatrickC> not usually :)
Aug 09 20:29:10 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: your plugin isnt loading then
Aug 09 20:29:28 <Tibfib> DraX: I know I shouldn't, but it is sooo easy.
Aug 09 20:29:31 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: do you have both appinfos and are the correct?
Aug 09 20:29:34 * KungfuJoe sigh
Aug 09 20:30:01 <PuffTheMagic> run!
Aug 09 20:30:06 <KungfuJoe> my appinfo defines the uiRevision to 2, and plug-ins to true
Aug 09 20:30:11 <PatrickC> its kesne!
Aug 09 20:30:15 <KungfuJoe> I'm pretty sure that's the relevant stuff, right?
Aug 09 20:30:17 <kesne> That it is
Aug 09 20:30:21 <KungfuJoe> It's got other stuff in there
Aug 09 20:30:25 <kesne> Whats up in here?
Aug 09 20:30:29 <KungfuJoe> but I don't think that it's relevant to the plugin, is it?
Aug 09 20:30:30 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: there is a 2nd appinfo you need for plugins
Aug 09 20:30:37 <Tibfib> package-info
Aug 09 20:30:40 <PuffTheMagic> no
Aug 09 20:30:42 <Tibfib> maybe.
Aug 09 20:30:44 <KungfuJoe> yeah, I've got that one too
Aug 09 20:30:48 <Tibfib> s/maybe/no./
Aug 09 20:30:52 <KungfuJoe> filemode.755=iotest_plugin
Aug 09 20:30:57 <PuffTheMagic> no
Aug 09 20:30:58 <PuffTheMagic> not that
Aug 09 20:31:00 <PuffTheMagic> thats not it
Aug 09 20:31:01 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: that's for javascript services.
Aug 09 20:31:04 <KungfuJoe> ah
Aug 09 20:31:04 <Tibfib> got hasty
Aug 09 20:31:05 <PuffTheMagic> no
Aug 09 20:31:12 <PuffTheMagic> no no no no
Aug 09 20:31:17 <kesne> Mwahahahahaha
Aug 09 20:31:21 <PuffTheMagic> in the same dir as your plugin you need an appinfo
Aug 09 20:31:30 <kesne> 0 failed transactions!
Aug 09 20:31:32 <PuffTheMagic> <plugin_name>_plugin.appinfo
Aug 09 20:31:35 <PuffTheMagic> kesne: stfu
Aug 09 20:31:37 <DraX> after a while c++ template errors start to be meaningful *head desk*
Aug 09 20:31:38 <dawm> i nearly did exlode
Aug 09 20:31:49 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: ... what I said, package-info, is for javascript services
Aug 09 20:31:50 <KungfuJoe> ok, I do not have that appinfo
Aug 09 20:31:59 <summatusmentis> fxspec06_: you were right, I think, it might be voltages
Aug 09 20:32:06 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib: you need package info for C stuff too
Aug 09 20:32:08 <KungfuJoe> using the buildit/packageit cmd files, it did not create one
Aug 09 20:32:08 <PuffTheMagic> to set the perms
Aug 09 20:32:24 <PuffTheMagic> u still need it though
Aug 09 20:32:26 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: heh, I don't know. ;)
Aug 09 20:32:36 <KungfuJoe> I believe you, I just don't know what is supposed to be inside it
Aug 09 20:32:53 <PuffTheMagic> 1 sec
Aug 09 20:33:56 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: sorry its <plugin_name>_appinfo.json
Aug 09 20:34:00 <PuffTheMagic> {
Aug 09 20:34:00 <PuffTheMagic> 	"type" : "game",
Aug 09 20:34:00 <PuffTheMagic> 	"requiredMemory" : "8",
Aug 09 20:34:02 <PuffTheMagic> }
Aug 09 20:34:03 <PuffTheMagic> with that inside
Aug 09 20:34:11 <dawm> is it still 'game' ?
Aug 09 20:34:12 <PuffTheMagic> you can change your type to hybrid too i beleive
Aug 09 20:34:16 <pepone> Where goes std::cerr when using from a plug-in?
Aug 09 20:34:16 <dawm> i thought they changed it from game
Aug 09 20:34:18 <KungfuJoe> Ok, I'll give that a try
Aug 09 20:34:19 <PuffTheMagic> i use game for wirc and it works
Aug 09 20:34:28 <PuffTheMagic> pepone: never never land
Aug 09 20:34:33 <PuffTheMagic> pepone: you syslog instead
Aug 09 20:34:48 <PuffTheMagic> dawm: game still works
Aug 09 20:34:50 <pepone> PuffTheMagic: OK, thanks
Aug 09 20:37:37 <KungfuJoe> still no luck. Do I have to tell enyo to use that file anywhere? Should I delete the package.properties file?
Aug 09 20:39:05 <hotdp> sugardave ping
Aug 09 20:39:29 <bffoley> Apps that are submitted to the beta app catalog should never show up eventually on the regular app store, right?
Aug 09 20:41:00 <oilsworkn> right
Aug 09 20:41:41 <bffoley> I submitted a 1.0.0 of my app to the beta catalog, and then a 1.0.3 to the regular one a few days later, and now suddenly the 1.0.0 is up there on the store
Aug 09 20:41:55 * PatrickC uninstalls the 3 java's he doesn't need
Aug 09 20:42:10 * oilsworkn dunnos
Aug 09 20:42:17 <bffoley> ughhhhhhh
Aug 09 20:42:33 <bffoley> this is for an event we're having and the event's today and they're not happy ;)
Aug 09 20:46:24 <leiru> bffoley: write to pdc if you have no personal contact.
Aug 09 20:46:33 <leiru> or write to the forums
Aug 09 20:55:02 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: no u still need package.properties
Aug 09 20:55:40 <PuffTheMagic> KungfuJoe: so just to be sure, your enyo code points to the right path of your plugin? the package.properties points to the right path of your plugin?
Aug 09 20:55:49 <PuffTheMagic> have u checked to make sure the plugin get installed
Aug 09 20:55:52 <PuffTheMagic> can u run it from cli
Aug 09 20:55:55 <PuffTheMagic> is it crashing?
Aug 09 20:55:58 <PuffTheMagic> does it run
Aug 09 20:56:09 <PuffTheMagic> make sure your appinfo.json does not have weird spaces in it
Aug 09 20:56:19 <PuffTheMagic> try removing all indents
Aug 09 20:56:30 <PuffTheMagic> i know it sounds weird but i had a similar problem
Aug 09 20:56:34 <pepone> PuffTheMagic:  i using "syslog" LOG_INFO, but nothing is printed to "/var/log/messages", should i look in other place for messages?
Aug 09 20:56:48 <PuffTheMagic> ya use LOG_ALERT or higher severity
Aug 09 20:56:57 <PuffTheMagic> i think there is something that is squashing lower levels
Aug 09 20:57:02 <PuffTheMagic> prob in the syslog config
Aug 09 20:57:04 <PuffTheMagic> i havent looked
Aug 09 20:57:08 <PuffTheMagic> i just use LOG_ALERT and up
Aug 09 20:59:19 <DraX> summatusmentis: i hit a compile issue that is boring to fix, so i'm restarting the procrastination clock
Aug 09 20:59:33 <summatusmentis> :-D
Aug 09 20:59:47 <summatusmentis> I was translating in #w-i
Aug 09 21:00:01 <DraX> ?
Aug 09 21:00:21 <summatusmentis> #webos-internals, someone came in from mexico
Aug 09 21:00:23 <Tibfib> summatusmentis habla espanol por un hombre de mejico
Aug 09 21:00:27 <summatusmentis> didn't speak english very well
Aug 09 21:00:33 <Tibfib> no he didn't
Aug 09 21:00:35 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: para
Aug 09 21:00:38 <dawm> oh no he didnt!
Aug 09 21:00:39 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: DANGIT
Aug 09 21:00:53 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: I should have paid more attention in por/para
Aug 09 21:00:56 <summatusmentis> in that context, por means "about"
Aug 09 21:00:58 <PatrickC> bbl
Aug 09 21:01:14 <Tibfib> ah
Aug 09 21:01:32 <summatusmentis> ish
Aug 09 21:01:37 <summatusmentis> not exactly, but roughly
Aug 09 21:03:24 <bnceo> wut up
Aug 09 21:03:46 <bnceo> so, after traveling, I have concluded that the plastic by the speakers of the TouchPad is very weak and break easily
Aug 09 21:03:51 <bnceo> got a couple of cracks =(
Aug 09 21:04:16 <summatusmentis> bnceo: that's a known issue, talk to HP, they'll replace it
Aug 09 21:04:24 <summatusmentis> or wherever you got it
Aug 09 21:04:34 <summatusmentis> I already sent mine in
Aug 09 21:04:36 <bnceo> I got it via Amazon
Aug 09 21:04:45 <bnceo> I guess HP will do the warranty repair
Aug 09 21:05:06 <bnceo> which is simply to just replace the case. Looking at the iFIXIT videos, this product was meant to be repaired easily
Aug 09 21:05:25 <summatusmentis> they'll send you a "refurb" one if you talk to HP
Aug 09 21:05:42 <bnceo> bah. why no fix?!?!?
Aug 09 21:05:59 <bnceo> it's just the case part. not even a component issue.
Aug 09 21:06:03 <summatusmentis> because you get a new device before you send in your old one
Aug 09 21:06:11 <bnceo> oh I can wait
Aug 09 21:06:20 <bnceo> the FrankenPre holds me over just fine
Aug 09 21:06:38 <summatusmentis> well, feel free to try it, but I don't think repair is an option
Aug 09 21:06:50 <summatusmentis> fwiw, I'm not convinced refurb actually means that
Aug 09 21:06:51 <pepone> I create a enyo.Hybrid , add it to my app components, and i see the plug-in, initialized and running, when try to call "invoke" method i have registered, syslog show, "Object HelloPlugin has not method 'invoke'  .... HelloDemo.js:76"  , what i missing here?
Aug 09 21:07:02 <summatusmentis> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/exclusive-hp-quickly-replacing-select-touchpads-for-cosmetic-defect/
Aug 09 21:08:23 <pepone> i call that method as "this.$.plugin.invoke('sayHello')" from a button onClick
Aug 09 21:08:51 <bnceo> one issue I willhave is that the box does not have the SN on it. the official sticker
Aug 09 21:08:58 <bnceo> because I needed it to get the $50 credit
Aug 09 21:10:07 <summatusmentis> does the official sticker have the SN on it?
Aug 09 21:10:27 <summatusmentis> I haven't sent my rebate in yet, but I put the replacement SN on the form
Aug 09 21:11:11 <bnceo> the SN of the TP is a sticker on the box
Aug 09 21:11:17 <bnceo> so I pelled the sticker, made a copy of it
Aug 09 21:11:24 <bnceo> and put the copy via tape back on the box
Aug 09 21:11:31 <bnceo> the official sticker was on the rebate form
Aug 09 21:12:23 <summatusmentis> well, if you've got the receipt for the original purchase and all that, I don't see why you wouldn't get the rebate
Aug 09 21:12:34 <dawm> wait..
Aug 09 21:12:44 <dawm> wow
Aug 09 21:12:49 <dawm> words w/ friends ISNT flash
Aug 09 21:12:52 <dawm> on facebook that is
Aug 09 21:13:11 <summatusmentis> I'd believe that
Aug 09 21:13:28 <dawm> so technically i should be able to play it on my phone
Aug 09 21:13:56 <PatrickC_> even if it was flash
Aug 09 21:13:59 <PatrickC_> you could play it
Aug 09 21:14:05 <dawm> no
Aug 09 21:14:09 <dawm> i tried a few fb games
Aug 09 21:14:16 <dawm> just sat there with 4 dots
Aug 09 21:15:00 <bnceo> summatusmentis: the form asked for the official SN sticker
Aug 09 21:15:06 <PatrickC_> bejewled blitz worked for me
Aug 09 21:15:55 <dawm> that reminds mei need to play today
Aug 09 21:15:59 <dawm> only had to play once last week
Aug 09 21:16:04 <summatusmentis> bnceo: the form wanted the official UPC sticker
Aug 09 21:16:09 <dawm> 858k score.. pretty sure none of my friends were gonna beat that
Aug 09 21:16:11 <bnceo> yup. that's what I mean
Aug 09 21:16:12 <bnceo> sorry
Aug 09 21:16:14 <summatusmentis> does the UPC sticker have the device SN on it?
Aug 09 21:16:18 <bnceo> think so. yup
Aug 09 21:16:42 <summatusmentis> why the hell would they want you to put in the device SN ten?
Aug 09 21:16:43 <summatusmentis> then*
Aug 09 21:16:53 <summatusmentis> if they're getting the UPC sticker anyway
Aug 09 21:19:19 <bnceo> I mean tot say UPC sticker
Aug 09 21:19:31 <bnceo> but if I return device, won't they want official SN sticker
Aug 09 21:19:41 <summatusmentis> you'll still have the box
Aug 09 21:19:50 <summatusmentis> of your original
Aug 09 21:20:25 <summatusmentis> HP sends you a box w/ a replacement TP in it, you take it out, put your cracking one in, and send it back
Aug 09 21:20:32 <summatusmentis> but you still keep all your original packaging
Aug 09 21:20:50 <bnceo> gotcha. okie doke
Aug 09 21:21:17 <summatusmentis> I've had no problems with my replacement one
Aug 09 21:21:27 <summatusmentis> it's sitting on the couch next to me playing music as we speak
Aug 09 21:21:41 <PatrickC_> dawm: how many coins do you have?
Aug 09 21:21:52 <PatrickC_> summatusmentis: can I have it?
Aug 09 21:21:54 <dawm> a lot, hold
Aug 09 21:21:58 <PatrickC_> lol
Aug 09 21:21:58 <dawm> 2.5m last i recall
Aug 09 21:22:06 * PatrickC_ has over 2.5m
Aug 09 21:22:10 <summatusmentis> PatrickC_: have what?
Aug 09 21:22:14 <PatrickC_> I've hit the 1m multiple times
Aug 09 21:22:18 <PatrickC_> summatusmentis: the tp :)
Aug 09 21:22:29 <summatusmentis> mine? no
Aug 09 21:22:40 <summatusmentis> go buy your own
Aug 09 21:22:50 <bnceo> still don't get how I got the broken speaker piece when it has a cover on it
Aug 09 21:22:51 <PatrickC_> aww.. fine then.. I'll take twbbas's second ond
Aug 09 21:23:04 <dawm> 2456700
Aug 09 21:23:11 <summatusmentis> bnceo: it's a manufacturing defect, iirc
Aug 09 21:23:11 <dawm> just spent some on pups
Aug 09 21:23:30 * Tibfib wonders what dawm and PatrickC_ are talking about
Aug 09 21:23:36 <PatrickC_> dawm: nice
Aug 09 21:23:42 <dawm> bejeweled blitz on fb
Aug 09 21:23:44 <PatrickC_> Tibfib: coins in Bejewled Blitz
Aug 09 21:23:47 <bnceo> glad I didn't get the zagg shield for it yet. Lol
Aug 09 21:23:51 <Tibfib> ah
Aug 09 21:23:59 <summatusmentis> I'm so glad I never got into FB games
Aug 09 21:24:08 <twbbas> ^
Aug 09 21:24:09 * PatrickC_ thinks early java is easy
Aug 09 21:24:09 <twbbas> me too
Aug 09 21:24:20 <PatrickC_> 4 lines of code.. so far so good :)
Aug 09 21:24:21 <summatusmentis> PatrickC_: wait until you hit if/else
Aug 09 21:24:26 <PatrickC_> hahaha
Aug 09 21:24:47 <dawm> i just play bejeweled blitz
Aug 09 21:24:51 <dawm> and words w/ friends
Aug 09 21:24:52 <summatusmentis> twbbas: the whole concept sorta grosses me out :)
Aug 09 21:25:07 <dawm> things i can compete against my friends with, that dont require 'missions'
Aug 09 21:25:16 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: wasn't that fb's design? for games? :)
Aug 09 21:25:22 <summatusmentis> yep
Aug 09 21:25:26 <PatrickC> dawm: FARMVILLE!
Aug 09 21:25:28 * PatrickC ducks
Aug 09 21:25:36 <summatusmentis> I play games on FB, but it's mostly just with other people's minds
Aug 09 21:25:42 <bnceo> are you guys testing out FB games on the Touchpad?
Aug 09 21:25:51 <dawm> yeah
Aug 09 21:25:55 <dawm> on my 21" touchpad
Aug 09 21:26:45 <twbbas> :o
Aug 09 21:26:48 * PatrickC drools
Aug 09 21:26:57 <PatrickC> too.. much.. reading..
Aug 09 21:26:59 <dawm> HP 2159m
Aug 09 21:27:03 <twbbas> mine's bigger
Aug 09 21:27:13 * PatrickC resists comment
Aug 09 21:27:21 <dawm> i snagged it for like $150 a long time ago
Aug 09 21:27:29 <twbbas> touchpad or touchsmart
Aug 09 21:27:30 <twbbas> lol
Aug 09 21:27:52 <dawm> monitor :P
Aug 09 21:28:01 <dawm> but it looks like a big ass tablet
Aug 09 21:28:04 <twbbas> :O
Aug 09 21:28:20 <twbbas> my brother had this epic idea for a tablet yesterday
Aug 09 21:28:32 <bnceo> I want an HP monitor that has TouchStone charging on the base for my phone
Aug 09 21:28:36 <twbbas> It's like 10" but slides out in every direction another 10"
Aug 09 21:28:37 <bnceo> ultimate combo right there
Aug 09 21:28:48 <PatrickC> bnceo: yes
Aug 09 21:28:51 <twbbas> so it's like 5 tablet sin one
Aug 09 21:29:07 <PatrickC> twbbas: so, it would be 50" x 50"?
Aug 09 21:29:11 <summatusmentis> no
Aug 09 21:29:12 <twbbas> uhh
Aug 09 21:29:16 <summatusmentis> that's not how geometry works
Aug 09 21:29:16 <twbbas> 30"
Aug 09 21:29:18 <twbbas> LOL
Aug 09 21:29:19 <PatrickC> wait.. Bad math
Aug 09 21:29:20 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 09 21:29:25 <twbbas> wait no
Aug 09 21:29:28 <twbbas> it wouldn't be a square
Aug 09 21:29:29 <twbbas> lol
Aug 09 21:29:31 <twbbas> a cross
Aug 09 21:29:34 * PatrickC is starting geometry tomorrow
Aug 09 21:29:36 <summatusmentis> THERE we go
Aug 09 21:29:43 <twbbas> PatrickC confused me
Aug 09 21:29:48 <summatusmentis> suuuuure
Aug 09 21:29:51 <PatrickC> I did my job
Aug 09 21:30:05 <twbbas> go learn if/else in java now
Aug 09 21:30:12 <PatrickC> I'm not there yet
Aug 09 21:30:20 <PatrickC> I'm just learning about class' lol
Aug 09 21:30:23 <summatusmentis> you probably don't need it anyway
Aug 09 21:30:31 <PatrickC> object*
Aug 09 21:30:32 <twbbas> don't wait like a year to learn it like you did for javascript
Aug 09 21:30:52 <PatrickC> I didn't actually know js till recently
Aug 09 21:31:05 <halfhalo-work> lol
Aug 09 21:31:50 <PatrickC> halfhalo-work: you make me feel so smart
Aug 09 21:31:51 <summatusmentis> a _brown_ belt
Aug 09 21:31:52 <twbbas> PatrickC: Is your VKB going to be an app?
Aug 09 21:31:59 <PatrickC> </sarcasm>
Aug 09 21:32:02 <PatrickC> twbbas: yes
Aug 09 21:32:07 <twbbas> PatrickC: How does it work?
Aug 09 21:32:23 <twbbas> PatrickC: Apps can't type into other apps right?
Aug 09 21:32:40 <PatrickC> you launch the app (right now said app "auto closes") and a dashboard w/ the vkb comes up
Aug 09 21:32:46 * PatrickC sends it to twbbas 
Aug 09 21:32:46 <twbbas> Yeah, I got that
Aug 09 21:32:50 <twbbas> but how does it type
Aug 09 21:32:57 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: lol.
Aug 09 21:33:28 <PatrickC> look and see
Aug 09 21:33:36 * twbbas doesn't want to look at the code
Aug 09 21:33:44 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 21:33:46 <Tibfib> you will never write good code again
Aug 09 21:33:56 * halfhalo-work wants to see said code.
Aug 09 21:34:02 * PatrickC will clean it up after java
Aug 09 21:34:05 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: good luck mate
Aug 09 21:34:06 <PatrickC> halfhalo: really?
Aug 09 21:34:07 <twbbas> You can't just tell me how it works?
Aug 09 21:34:11 * PatrickC gets the paste
Aug 09 21:34:17 <PatrickC> twbbas: I don't know how it works yet
Aug 09 21:34:20 * twbbas thinks this is all a hoax
Aug 09 21:34:24 <bnceo> hmm
Aug 09 21:34:36 <bnceo> TouchPad advanced exchange cost $50?
Aug 09 21:34:59 <summatusmentis> bnceo: that's not what they told me
Aug 09 21:35:08 <bnceo> ok. he just corrected himself
Aug 09 21:35:12 <bnceo> cause "I'm loyal"
Aug 09 21:35:32 <summatusmentis> no, because you're a TP customer :)
Aug 09 21:35:54 <twbbas> PatrickC: It's kinda annoying that my name is listed in your contacts as "twabbs"
Aug 09 21:35:56 <bnceo> his words. Lol
Aug 09 21:36:05 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 21:36:12 * PatrickC changes it
Aug 09 21:36:32 <Tibfib> twbbas: where did the nick come from
Aug 09 21:36:33 <Tibfib> ?
Aug 09 21:36:54 <twbbas> WTF that keyboard works!
Aug 09 21:37:06 <PatrickC> Tibfib: where did yours come from?
Aug 09 21:37:08 <twbbas> That CAN'T be app catalog worthy, right?
Aug 09 21:37:28 <PatrickC> I don't see why it wouldn't be
Aug 09 21:37:29 <Tibfib> PatrickC: I broke my tibia and fibula in 4th grade
Aug 09 21:37:34 <twbbas> Tibfib: It's a long story but it's a shortened version of my very first email when I was in 4th grade. It involved my initials and baseball.
Aug 09 21:37:38 * PatrickC did too
Aug 09 21:37:50 <Tibfib> twbbas: nice, I like it
Aug 09 21:37:59 <PatrickC> halfhalo-work: http://pastebin.com/01s1PHFY
Aug 09 21:38:01 <Tibfib> twubbus
Aug 09 21:38:06 <twbbas> lol
Aug 09 21:38:31 <Tibfib> LOL, you cheat on the copy/paste
Aug 09 21:38:39 <Tibfib> s/on/with/
Aug 09 21:38:43 <PatrickC> in my code?
Aug 09 21:38:50 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 09 21:38:57 <PatrickC> I never c/p'd. I just extracted.. :)
Aug 09 21:39:00 <PatrickC> made it easier
Aug 09 21:39:04 <PatrickC> extracted and edited
Aug 09 21:39:25 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: doesn't it burn your eyes
Aug 09 21:39:31 <summatusmentis> I think Tibfib is saying that you've got the same thing happening a bunch of times
Aug 09 21:39:34 <summatusmentis> and that's cheating
Aug 09 21:39:36 <halfhalo-work> my head hurts
Aug 09 21:39:41 <twbbas> lol PatrickC, it doesn't backspace
Aug 09 21:39:43 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: no
Aug 09 21:39:47 <twbbas> it just pastes the backspace character
Aug 09 21:40:00 <PatrickC> twbbas: it doesn't backspace/enter/shift/opt/etc.
Aug 09 21:40:00 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: I was referring to how the keyboard works
Aug 09 21:40:07 <Tibfib> it works by settingt he clipboard and then pasting
Aug 09 21:40:15 <Tibfib> so backspace isn't going to work
Aug 09 21:40:16 <PatrickC> we just got all the chars in it
Aug 09 21:40:17 <summatusmentis> orly?
Aug 09 21:40:19 <summatusmentis> :)
Aug 09 21:40:22 <summatusmentis> that's hilarious
Aug 09 21:40:24 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 09 21:40:32 <summatusmentis> then I misunderstood
Aug 09 21:40:47 <summatusmentis> I wonder how well it scales
Aug 09 21:40:55 * PatrickC will make the backspace work!
Aug 09 21:41:01 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: atm. not very good
Aug 09 21:41:08 <PatrickC> everything is sized in px
Aug 09 21:41:11 <PatrickC> not %
Aug 09 21:41:23 <PuffTheMagic> is it wrong to drink a beer while sitting on the can?
Aug 09 21:41:33 <PuffTheMagic> while tlaking on irc at the same time?
Aug 09 21:41:44 <twbbas> http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae246/twbbas/spaz-hd_2011-09-08_173840.png
Aug 09 21:42:05 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: wrong definition of scale
Aug 09 21:42:07 <halfhalo-work> that code makes me want to vomit
Aug 09 21:42:17 <PatrickC> twbbas: lol
Aug 09 21:42:19 <summatusmentis> if you type REALLY FAST, does it handle it well?
Aug 09 21:42:34 <summatusmentis> twbbas: :-D
Aug 09 21:42:37 <PatrickC> umm.. if you hit the keys correctly probably?
Aug 09 21:42:38 <twbbas> ouch my Pre- chugs on the vkb
Aug 09 21:43:03 <Tibfib> twbbas: you sure are aewsome
Aug 09 21:43:07 <summatusmentis> there's overhead for putting it in the clipboard/pulling it out, presumably
Aug 09 21:43:07 * PatrickC has only used it on the pre2
Aug 09 21:43:16 <twbbas> Tibfib: I couldn't backspace!
Aug 09 21:43:23 <Tibfib> lolololol
Aug 09 21:43:35 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 09 21:43:44 <PatrickC> you use the actual kb to backspace for now
Aug 09 21:44:00 <halfhalo-work> I love how you create a variable, set it to another existing variable value, and then set a third thing using the new variable. thats.... yeah.
Aug 09 21:44:13 <twbbas> shhh he's new to js
Aug 09 21:44:17 <summatusmentis> actually, putting it in the clipboard I'm sure is exactly why backspace doesn't work
Aug 09 21:44:20 <twbbas> he just learned if/else yesterday
Aug 09 21:44:23 <PatrickC> halfhalo: none of that is my code
Aug 09 21:44:27 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yep
Aug 09 21:44:32 <PatrickC> twbbas: 2 days ago! :P
Aug 09 21:44:40 <summatusmentis> and I see no way to fix that
Aug 09 21:44:42 <summatusmentis> easily
Aug 09 21:44:44 <twbbas> same
Aug 09 21:44:45 <twbbas> =\
Aug 09 21:44:50 <twbbas> not with app catalog approval
Aug 09 21:44:52 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: all implied globals
Aug 09 21:45:08 <twbbas> wait
Aug 09 21:45:13 * PatrickC will make it preware only then
Aug 09 21:45:21 <twbbas> can you get the current values in the text box?
Aug 09 21:45:25 <twbbas> and the cursor position?
Aug 09 21:45:30 <PatrickC> possibly
Aug 09 21:45:31 * Tibfib doubts it
Aug 09 21:45:36 <twbbas> then just chop off the letter
Aug 09 21:45:41 <dawm> someone tell me
Aug 09 21:45:41 <summatusmentis> what do you need current values for?
Aug 09 21:45:44 <PatrickC> it'll be multi-lingual too
Aug 09 21:45:48 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: backspace
Aug 09 21:45:54 <PatrickC> ^
Aug 09 21:45:56 <twbbas> Delete and repaste without the character
Aug 09 21:45:57 <dawm> why hotdog taste so much better in a hotdog bun than on a slice of bread because you ran out?
Aug 09 21:46:01 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: you just need cursor position, presumably
Aug 09 21:46:11 <summatusmentis> if you can trigger the backspace event
Aug 09 21:46:13 <dawm> əeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəeəe :D
Aug 09 21:46:15 <Tibfib> oh
Aug 09 21:46:16 <twbbas> dawm: I do that all the time :(
Aug 09 21:46:18 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: if
Aug 09 21:46:22 <summatusmentis> well, sure
Aug 09 21:46:25 <PatrickC> else
Aug 09 21:46:25 <dawm> why does it taste so much different?
Aug 09 21:46:30 <dawm> in the bun its like omg so good
Aug 09 21:46:32 * halfhalo-work is scared of what will happen when switch and loops are learned
Aug 09 21:46:36 <twbbas> especially on the wheat bread in my house
Aug 09 21:46:37 <dawm> on a slice of bread its like.. ugh wtf
Aug 09 21:46:38 <summatusmentis> but we're already talking about a hypothetical, because he doesn't have it working anyway :)
Aug 09 21:46:51 <dawm> maybe thats it
Aug 09 21:46:54 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: infinite loops
Aug 09 21:46:55 <dawm> i only ever have wheat bread
Aug 09 21:46:59 <twbbas> dawm: Same.
Aug 09 21:47:13 <Tibfib> crazy people
Aug 09 21:47:13 <summatusmentis> people eat white bread?
Aug 09 21:47:15 <Tibfib> white bread ftw
Aug 09 21:47:34 <twbbas> while (twbbas == awesome) { do stuff }
Aug 09 21:47:36 <twbbas> infinite loop
Aug 09 21:47:45 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 09 21:47:48 <halfhalo-work> or.... recursion.  oh god the horror
Aug 09 21:48:25 <Tibfib> boom: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/mojo/classes/mojo-event.html#mojo.event.sendkeyeventkeydescription-optionaleventtype-optionaldocument
Aug 09 21:48:30 <Tibfib> that migth work for a vkb
Aug 09 21:49:06 * twbbas steals PatrickC's code, improves it, and submits to app catalog
Aug 09 21:49:15 <Tibfib> do it do it do it
Aug 09 21:49:23 <PatrickC> twbbas: open source :)
Aug 09 21:49:30 <PatrickC> I got it from someone else
Aug 09 21:49:36 <summatusmentis> twbbas: no no, you're learning
Aug 09 21:49:44 <PatrickC> and was told it could only be used if it was open source
Aug 09 21:49:58 <PatrickC> none of that is my code
Aug 09 21:50:06 <PatrickC> I only put in english chars atm
Aug 09 21:50:10 * twbbas sells it as a paid app at $50 and uses his $50 credit on it
Aug 09 21:50:17 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 09 21:50:25 <nohorse> I'd really like to be able to listed to the audio portion of a mp4 video stream but when I go to card view the video pauses.  Is there a way to keep the card from pausing? Patch maybe?
Aug 09 21:50:32 <Tibfib> twbbas: so you can get .7*50 back ?
Aug 09 21:50:39 <twbbas> Tibfib: Indeed
Aug 09 21:50:42 <twbbas> free money ftw
Aug 09 21:50:47 <PatrickC> nohorse: patch
Aug 09 21:51:21 <Tibfib> twbbas: not a completely stupid idea
Aug 09 21:51:35 <summatusmentis> I'm gonna use my $50 credit on free apps only
Aug 09 21:51:37 <Tibfib> except you'd have to wait for a while since you didn't exceed $100
Aug 09 21:51:43 <twbbas> summatusmentis: #winning
Aug 09 21:51:53 <summatusmentis> :D
Aug 09 21:53:09 <nohorse> Patrick: name of patch?
Aug 09 21:53:47 <PatrickC> nohorse: umm.. I forget..
Aug 09 21:53:56 <summatusmentis> something like "keep videos playing"
Aug 09 21:55:31 <siestacat_comput> best music replacement for 1.4.5.1?
Aug 09 21:55:50 <PatrickC> siestacat_comput: you have a pre or pixi?
Aug 09 21:56:11 <twbbas> spotify! or is that 2.0 only
Aug 09 21:56:18 <Tibfib> siestacat_comput: NaNplayer
Aug 09 22:00:53 <dawm> so now that i got 2.0
Aug 09 22:01:05 <dawm> i dont see any codes being given out =\
Aug 09 22:03:34 <summatusmentis> does NaNplayer exist?
Aug 09 22:03:41 <Tibfib> yes ?
Aug 09 22:03:46 <summatusmentis> I thought it was done
Aug 09 22:03:58 <Tibfib> I think it is. but you might be able to get the old versions
Aug 09 22:04:01 <summatusmentis> oh
Aug 09 22:04:04 <summatusmentis> fair enough
Aug 09 22:04:25 <dawm> didnt it make it to 2.x?
Aug 09 22:04:28 <Tibfib> nope
Aug 09 22:04:48 <summatusmentis> is Remix available on 1.4.x? Like the one in preware?
Aug 09 22:04:57 <Tibfib> somewhere
Aug 09 22:04:58 <summatusmentis> it's been so long since I've used 1.4.5 that I don't remember
Aug 09 22:05:14 <summatusmentis> I _really_ like Music Player Remix
Aug 09 22:05:24 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: no one likes you
Aug 09 22:05:40 <summatusmentis> :(
Aug 09 22:05:42 <Tibfib> to each their own, jerk
Aug 09 22:06:06 <dawm> why do all scrabble games end up with words like 'titty, bra, sex(y) ..etc'
Aug 09 22:06:28 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: look, if Koto had an ability to jump to a letter, and was pretty, I'd use it instead
Aug 09 22:06:37 <summatusmentis> but Remix is roughly perfect
Aug 09 22:06:37 <dawm> burn
Aug 09 22:06:46 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: you don't think koto is pretty?
Aug 09 22:06:54 <summatusmentis> I think Remix is prettier
Aug 09 22:06:55 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: and it does have the ability to jump to a letter.
Aug 09 22:07:10 <summatusmentis> but I have to like, slide the keyboard out and things
Aug 09 22:07:13 <Tibfib> nope
Aug 09 22:07:21 <summatusmentis> rly? is that new?
Aug 09 22:07:22 <Tibfib> there's a smart alpha scroller
Aug 09 22:07:33 <summatusmentis> I'm 90% sure that wasn't there when I tried it
Aug 09 22:07:43 <Tibfib> it's there now
Aug 09 22:07:46 <Tibfib> dunno what version
Aug 09 22:08:02 <summatusmentis> it should be noted, most of the time I use AmpacheMobile
Aug 09 22:08:04 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: I absolutely disagree with the "pretty" part.
Aug 09 22:08:10 <Tibfib> but again, to each their own.
Aug 09 22:08:35 <summatusmentis> tell you what, I'll buy NomNomNom with part of my $50 credit to make up for it
Aug 09 22:08:42 <dawm> wtf is nomnom
Aug 09 22:09:25 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: you've helped out so you can have a promo code
Aug 09 22:09:32 <summatusmentis> actually, if Koto implemented ampache's API, and allowed me to play local files, I'd switch in a heartbeat
Aug 09 22:10:02 <Tibfib> probably not gonna happen on ampache
Aug 09 22:10:22 <summatusmentis> I've been sort of envisioning a way to "pin" amapche files locally, for both streaming and discon operations
Aug 09 22:10:45 <summatusmentis> biggest peeve I have is that I have to swith apps to play local files, or ampache
Aug 09 22:10:47 <Tibfib> welll I just found out about spotify's api
Aug 09 22:10:59 <Tibfib> soooo if any C/C++ developer wants to work together
Aug 09 22:11:07 <Tibfib> I'd make it support local and spotify files
Aug 09 22:11:21 <summatusmentis> spotify is all ad'y though
Aug 09 22:11:48 <Tibfib> well, the api requires a premium membership
Aug 09 22:11:49 <summatusmentis> I thought you said their API was non-commercial only
Aug 09 22:11:50 <Tibfib> which doesn't have ads
Aug 09 22:11:56 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: it is.
Aug 09 22:12:04 <Tibfib> I want that app for myself enough
Aug 09 22:12:10 <summatusmentis> ampache has no such restrictions :)
Aug 09 22:12:28 <Tibfib> but no one uses ampache
Aug 09 22:12:31 <summatusmentis> I do!
Aug 09 22:12:36 <PatrickC> https://www.facebook.com/mobile/messenger
Aug 09 22:12:37 <Tibfib> case and point!
Aug 09 22:12:40 <PatrickC> webos no there :/
Aug 09 22:12:47 <summatusmentis> enough people do that there's consistently a webOS app for it
Aug 09 22:12:56 <summatusmentis> if that means anything
Aug 09 22:13:15 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: yeah, there's an app for those users. but not enough for me to add it to a music player when I don't use it
Aug 09 22:13:31 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: don't worry, Hedami isn't coming back ever anyway, so Koto will probably win in the long run
Aug 09 22:13:43 <Tibfib> that makes me feel way better.
Aug 09 22:13:56 <summatusmentis> heh <3
Aug 09 22:14:08 <summatusmentis> I guess Koto is OSS
Aug 09 22:14:22 <summatusmentis> I suppose I _could_ impelement it myself
Aug 09 22:14:33 <Tibfib> that's what everyone says
Aug 09 22:14:41 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: how specific to spotify is spotify's API?
Aug 09 22:14:48 <Tibfib> not sure
Aug 09 22:15:07 <summatusmentis> I wonder if there's a way to genericise it to any streaming service
Aug 09 22:15:33 <summatusmentis> then there'd only need to be specifics implemented on a per-service basis
Aug 09 22:16:05 <Tibfib> http://developer.spotify.com/en/libspotify/docs/index.html
Aug 09 22:16:44 <summatusmentis> I will have to look at that
Aug 09 22:17:30 <pepone> How can i add resource files to a package, i want to include an ssl certificate with my application package?
Aug 09 22:19:07 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: oooh, it's a library, not a web API
Aug 09 22:19:18 <Tibfib> yeah
Aug 09 22:19:21 <summatusmentis> that's harder to genericise, although probably not impossible
Aug 09 22:19:28 <Tibfib> I need a C developer
Aug 09 22:19:39 <summatusmentis> I can write C
Aug 09 22:19:43 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure I'm a C developer
Aug 09 22:19:54 <Tibfib> hahaa
Aug 09 22:20:05 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: could you develop the library into a nice plugin for me to access?
Aug 09 22:20:15 <Tibfib> and all this if for free unfortunately
Aug 09 22:20:54 <dawm> I can be a Human
Aug 09 22:20:58 <summatusmentis> I don't know anything about how the plugin infrastructure works
Aug 09 22:20:59 <dawm> I'm not sure I'm a Human
Aug 09 22:21:05 <summatusmentis> but I could look at it
Aug 09 22:21:15 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: wosi has lots of examples
Aug 09 22:21:25 <Tibfib> I dunno exactly how either
Aug 09 22:21:44 <summatusmentis> you just want a plugin wrapper for the library?
Aug 09 22:22:57 <Tibfib> umm yeah probably
Aug 09 22:23:01 <Tibfib> I'd need to check it out
Aug 09 22:23:07 <Tibfib> I'd probably want some simplification
Aug 09 22:23:58 <summatusmentis> if you can define the API/whatever that you'd want to be able to interact with for the plugin, I could see if I can make the wrapper work
Aug 09 22:25:01 <Tibfib> okay sweet
Aug 09 22:25:15 <Tibfib> I'll start working on it more once I get NomNomNom out there
Aug 09 22:25:25 <summatusmentis> yeah, no worries, I'm short on time for the near future too
Aug 09 22:25:56 <Tibfib> oh gosh, school starts soon
Aug 09 22:26:06 <summatusmentis> indeed
Aug 09 22:26:52 <oilsworkn> lols
Aug 09 22:29:17 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib, when i see NomNomNom i thin of TMNT
Aug 09 22:29:20 <PuffTheMagic> think
Aug 09 22:29:34 <Tibfib> haha
Aug 09 22:31:17 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic == Raphael?
Aug 09 22:34:25 <PuffTheMagic> I was always Donatello when i played
Aug 09 22:34:52 <PuffTheMagic> but michelangelo was the one that said Nom Nom when eating the pizza in the movie
Aug 09 22:44:23 <twbbas> Tibfib: I just got the ad opening in browser bug  :\
Aug 09 22:44:28 <Tibfib> YOU LIE
Aug 09 22:44:29 <Tibfib> crap
Aug 09 22:44:43 <Tibfib> I might be able to modify it
Aug 09 22:49:09 <LoneStar99> IDENTIFY Lonestar99 student1Z
Aug 09 22:49:41 <LoneStar99> g.afternoon folks
Aug 09 22:50:41 <twbbas> did you just type your password
Aug 09 22:50:53 * summatusmentis copy pastes
Aug 09 22:50:56 * oilsworkn only saw *********
Aug 09 22:51:11 <oilsworkn> it used to just be student1, but it looks like he added the Z since hte last time this happened xD
Aug 09 22:51:22 <summatusmentis> lolol
Aug 09 22:51:25 <twbbas> haha
Aug 09 22:51:35 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: go change your password
Aug 09 22:51:42 <twbbas> Ya
Aug 09 22:51:47 <summatusmentis> and this time, do it properly
Aug 09 22:51:47 <LoneStar99> yea
Aug 09 22:51:50 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 09 22:51:52 <twbbas> before summatusmentis hacks your fb and changes your birthday to tomorrow
Aug 09 22:51:57 <oilsworkn> dont change it to hunter7
Aug 09 22:52:11 <twbbas> LOL
Aug 09 22:52:18 <dwc-> so what do you think he'll add next? Q?
Aug 09 22:52:18 <summatusmentis> I'm pretty sure this is publically logged
Aug 09 22:52:23 <twbbas> it is
Aug 09 22:52:29 <summatusmentis> so change it everywhere else you use that password too
Aug 09 22:52:44 <dwc-> 1ZZ!
Aug 09 22:52:45 <twbbas> just add another Z on it
Aug 09 22:52:53 <summatusmentis> twbbas: race you to see who can ghost him first :-P
Aug 09 22:52:57 <twbbas> haha
Aug 09 22:53:03 <dwc-> someone already won
Aug 09 22:53:12 <twbbas> was that a ghost or not
Aug 09 22:53:19 <summatusmentis> diconnected by services? nope
Aug 09 22:53:20 * twbbas doesn't know what ghosts look like on freenode
Aug 09 22:53:23 <dwc-> Disconnected by services
Aug 09 22:53:32 <twbbas> on another server it actually says Ghost
Aug 09 22:53:35 <twbbas> lol again
Aug 09 22:53:36 <summatusmentis> well, it might be different on freenode
Aug 09 22:53:39 <twbbas> ya maybe
Aug 09 22:53:40 <dwc-> nope, that's the message
Aug 09 22:53:43 <twbbas> who's ghosting him
Aug 09 22:53:44 <twbbas> lol
Aug 09 22:53:50 <twbbas> :o
Aug 09 22:53:52 <dwc-> oh, you want to know for sure, you can try it yourself
Aug 09 22:54:02 * twbbas ghosts himself
Aug 09 22:54:16 <Tibfib> lololol.
Aug 09 22:54:31 <summatusmentis> it told me I can't ghost myself
Aug 09 22:54:34 <Tibfib> that's why you identify in the status window
Aug 09 22:54:52 <twbbas> or have a script that auto-ids you like me :)
Aug 09 22:55:08 <twbbas> :o you can share images on twitter now
Aug 09 22:55:15 <twbbas> err share images without using a third-party
Aug 09 22:55:27 <Tibfib> bbl
Aug 09 22:55:33 * twbbas starts sharing all his pics
Aug 09 22:55:45 <LoneStar99> it is not the first i have done this...
Aug 09 22:55:51 <twbbas> Oil told us
Aug 09 22:55:53 <LoneStar99> stupid tabs
Aug 09 22:55:55 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 09 22:55:58 <twbbas> and you just added a Z on the end from last time
Aug 09 22:56:43 <LoneStar99> yeah
Aug 09 22:57:00 <LoneStar99> but forgot my stupid key so can not change it now =(
Aug 09 22:57:09 * twbbas googles LoneStar99 looking for websites to try the password
Aug 09 22:57:14 <summatusmentis> there's a key? bummer
Aug 09 22:57:21 <summatusmentis> I have no idea what my freenode key would be
Aug 09 22:57:25 <twbbas> huh
Aug 09 22:57:34 <twbbas> since when is there a key
Aug 09 22:58:01 <twbbas> oh
Aug 09 22:58:05 <twbbas> it gets emailed to you
Aug 09 22:58:06 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: are you a mod on HuffPo?
Aug 09 22:58:06 <twbbas> or something
Aug 09 22:58:18 <twbbas> Type /ns help setpass
Aug 09 22:58:19 <LoneStar99> not sure not even sure what email i used...
Aug 09 22:58:35 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  HuffPo?
Aug 09 22:58:41 <twbbas> Try doing /ns info LoneStar
Aug 09 22:58:44 <twbbas> Try doing /ns info LoneStar99
Aug 09 22:58:58 <twbbas> it should list email there
Aug 09 22:59:08 <haeffb> no it doesn't
Aug 09 22:59:18 <twbbas> (for yourself it does)
Aug 09 22:59:19 <summatusmentis> HuffingtonPost
Aug 09 22:59:23 <haeffb> oh, you meant for him to do it... :)
Aug 09 22:59:29 <twbbas> haeffb: you jokester
Aug 09 22:59:46 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: given your question, I assume not
Aug 09 22:59:46 <pepone> How i access the inner components of an Popup object?
Aug 09 22:59:54 <summatusmentis> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/lonestar99
Aug 09 23:00:06 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  neah an idiot sometimes =)
Aug 09 23:05:11 <LoneStar99> next will give out my bank passwords and my SS# !!
Aug 09 23:09:19 <twbbas> sounds good to me
Aug 09 23:09:25 <twbbas> don't forget credit card
Aug 09 23:09:29 <twbbas> and promo codes for all your apps
Aug 09 23:09:31 <oilsworkn> well, the first 5 are what, location and hospital of birth?
Aug 09 23:10:17 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 09 23:10:18 <LoneStar99> nice
Aug 09 23:12:40 <LoneStar99> fuck this is such a pain, stupid key only works once...
Aug 09 23:20:04 <PuffTheMagic> what is your fav game to play while pooping?
Aug 09 23:20:07 <PuffTheMagic> mine is robotek
Aug 09 23:20:27 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 09 23:25:14 <twbbas> mine is concentration
Aug 09 23:25:26 <twbbas> get it? teehee
Aug 09 23:25:44 <LoneStar99> mine is Poop 4.0
Aug 09 23:25:50 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 09 23:27:55 <dawm> http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/715260/friday-the-13th-jason-voorhees-complete-body-count/
Aug 09 23:32:06 <LoneStar99> nice
Aug 09 23:34:13 <LoneStar99> what tiny creature has 8 legs?
Aug 09 23:34:21 <LoneStar99> spider?
Aug 09 23:39:17 <pepone> do i need to copy/free strings passed in params to PDL_CallJS?
Aug 09 23:44:58 <PuffTheMagic> depends on how you allocated the params
Aug 09 23:49:40 <pepone> PuffTheMagic: i have a std::string that want to pass in the params
Aug 09 23:51:28 <DraX> pepone: like paralms[0] = mystr.c_str() ?
Aug 09 23:51:42 <DraX> pepone: presuming mystr is on the stack you shouldn't need to free it
Aug 09 23:52:01 <pepone> DraX: Ok nice
Aug 09 23:52:11 <DraX> note i have no experience with PDL_*
Aug 09 23:52:20 <DraX> just applying c++ knowledge and the code example on the API page
Aug 09 23:54:47 <pepone> so now i have a popup, with a content child, i call openAtCenter, and then set the content, and the popup isn't centered. also the text doesn't flow in the "content" element
Aug 09 23:55:12 <PuffTheMagic> pepone, i dont mess with C++ sorry
Aug 09 23:58:17 <PatrickC> twbbas: ping
Aug 10 00:06:26 <akanster> What exactly is "HP Promo" under app sales?
Aug 10 00:06:41 <akanster> they randomly give out promo codes?
Aug 10 00:07:05 <Shadyman1> link?
Aug 10 00:07:59 <akanster> in under the download stats for your paid catalog apps
Aug 10 00:08:03 <akanster> it's*
Aug 10 00:08:27 * NuttyBunny hops in
Aug 10 00:08:31 <Shadyman1> Oh. Don't have any apps submitted yet
Aug 10 00:09:16 <twbbas> akanster: It's promos done by HP
Aug 10 00:09:23 <twbbas> like the $50 app credit or the free app with the Veer
Aug 10 00:09:26 <akanster> ah
Aug 10 00:09:30 <twbbas> you should get paid for them
Aug 10 00:09:32 <akanster> not bad
Aug 10 00:09:44 <akanster> I was just curious where they came from
Aug 10 00:09:51 <twbbas> ya those are the only 2 I can think of
Aug 10 00:10:27 <akanster> essentially when someone uses app catalog credit?
Aug 10 00:12:24 <gokr> About to order the tp32 from Amazon, delivery to Sweden. Good price there?
Aug 10 00:13:25 * NuttyBunny slaps PatrickC 
Aug 10 00:13:36 <twbbas> :o
Aug 10 00:13:42 <twbbas> gokr: I like :)
Aug 10 00:14:06 <gokr> It's $499 there.
Aug 10 00:14:32 <twbbas> wow not bad
Aug 10 00:14:39 <twbbas> is that in USD?
Aug 10 00:14:44 <gokr> Yes.
Aug 10 00:14:54 <twbbas> That's a great price I'd say
Aug 10 00:15:52 <gokr> Tp32wifi+wireless kb+custom fit case + touchstone = $668
Aug 10 00:17:43 <twbbas> :o
Aug 10 00:17:58 <twbbas> I don't really have the need for the keyboard
Aug 10 00:18:57 <Shadyman1> hah. That looks 'shopped. Know how I can tell? http://www.amazon.ca/Capacity-Rechargeable-External-Battery-TouchPad/dp/B0055E9JM6/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1312935394&sr=8-16
Aug 10 00:19:33 <twbbas> ROFL
Aug 10 00:19:50 <twbbas> What port is it plugged in to
Aug 10 00:19:54 <Shadyman1> ^
Aug 10 00:20:03 <twbbas> does it just surgically attach to the side of the TP?
Aug 10 00:20:03 <Shadyman1> and that'd be one huge-ass plug.
Aug 10 00:20:14 <twbbas> lol y
Aug 10 00:20:15 <twbbas> ya
Aug 10 00:20:21 <Shadyman1> I think they just shopped the TP screen onto a playbook
Aug 10 00:20:44 <twbbas> haha
Aug 10 00:20:47 <Shadyman1> wow. Dear amazon.ca.. a Touchstone dock for $102? Nothx.
Aug 10 00:21:02 <NuttyBunny> it was magnified with an invisible magnifying glass ;)
Aug 10 00:21:08 <twbbas> $65 for case on amazon.ca
Aug 10 00:21:24 <Shadyman1> and like, really. We don't pay that much in retail stores.
Aug 10 00:22:55 <CTLAdvance> its still 74 on amazon.com
Aug 10 00:23:12 <Shadyman1> case is 36.92 on amazon.com
Aug 10 00:23:13 <CTLAdvance> touchpad price was cut to sell more accesories
Aug 10 00:23:22 <Shadyman1> true
Aug 10 00:23:57 <Shadyman1> whoa, i picked a canadian address for my touchpad order on amazon.com and they haven't freaked out yet. wtf?
Aug 10 00:24:06 <Shadyman1> they used to get all freaky about electronics outside of the US
Aug 10 00:24:31 <gokr> Shadyman1: I just ordered one to Sweden, no problem.
Aug 10 00:24:45 <Shadyman1> word
Aug 10 00:25:35 <gokr> Time to sleep, gnite.
Aug 10 00:25:41 <oil> order it to my house, ill ship it to you.....
Aug 10 00:26:10 <akanster> Don't!
Aug 10 00:27:36 <Shadyman1> whoa whoa whoaaaa
Aug 10 00:27:41 <Shadyman1> Import Fees Deposit: $84
Aug 10 00:27:45 * Shadyman1 clicks for fine print
Aug 10 00:29:59 <Shadyman1> Bastards.
Aug 10 00:30:39 <Shadyman1> $611 +$20 shipping +$84.85 estimated tax/fees
Aug 10 00:30:59 <Shadyman1> And the warranty wouldn't be valid in canada
Aug 10 00:31:48 <Shadyman1> touchstone is the same price as in-store.. only thing i'm saving on is $50 for the touchpad and $20 on the cover. -$20 shipping is a $50 savings vs no warranty
Aug 10 00:33:23 <Shadyman1> Yeah, I'm not seeing the value, really
Aug 10 00:34:57 <twbbas> Dangit... The queen and ace are under that jack :( https://www.box.net/shared/9qcpz14x78jp8t87gkta
Aug 10 00:35:22 <Shadyman1> hate it when that happens
Aug 10 00:36:16 <dwc-> lucky for you you can still win
Aug 10 00:36:25 <twbbas> how
Aug 10 00:36:32 <dwc-> actually I guess it depends on your solitaire game
Aug 10 00:36:37 <dwc-> can you move anything other than the full stack?
Aug 10 00:36:49 <twbbas> nope
Aug 10 00:37:01 <dwc-> oh, so this solitaire game sucks more than the one that came with windows 2.0 :p
Aug 10 00:38:01 <twbbas> lol
Aug 10 00:38:33 <CTLAdvance> is it me or do the box.net apps suck all over
Aug 10 00:38:54 <CTLAdvance> there isnt an image preview, and you cant download an entire folder?
Aug 10 00:39:02 <twbbas> only used the webOS one
Aug 10 00:39:38 <akanster> CTLAdvance: That web interface is atrocious
Aug 10 00:41:11 <twbbas> maybe that's why they're having a $20,000 contest to build box.net apps
Aug 10 00:45:14 <CTLAdvance> lol, I didnt see that
Aug 10 00:45:48 <dwc-> $20k is cheaper than paying a FTE for a couple months
Aug 10 00:45:53 <CTLAdvance> first thing, any images in a folder can be viewed via a preview mode, they may need a service to make a thumbnail
Aug 10 00:47:54 <akanster> clicking on "file options" shows a menu with only one item. "help"  :(
Aug 10 00:48:32 <siestacat> hey, on linphone I can't get sound on my or the receiving end
Aug 10 00:48:39 <siestacat> :(
Aug 10 01:04:17 <rwhitby> siestacat_comput: the developer is not here
Aug 10 01:08:08 <oil> http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/101096593196986368 :)
Aug 10 01:14:39 <haeffb> oil: :(
Aug 10 01:16:25 <haeffb> also :( http://twitter.com/#!/fzammetti/status/101097536424652800
Aug 10 01:20:57 <donc> I'm looking to highlight the selected row in an enyo.VirtualRepeater.  Is there a style I can set or some other magic?
Aug 10 01:21:16 <oil> tapHighlight: true on the item
Aug 10 01:23:30 <donc> oil: I have tapHighlight set to true.   The item turns blue then goes back to grey.  I'd like it to stay highlighted until another row is selected.
Aug 10 01:23:39 <oil> oh
Aug 10 01:23:53 <oil> i dont know if thats built in or not
Aug 10 01:23:54 <oil> never tried
Aug 10 01:24:20 <oil> if it doesnt, i would just give hte item a new class in the onClick
Aug 10 01:24:39 <haeffb> 			this.$.item.applyStyle("background-color", inSender.isSelected(inIndex) ? "#f2f2f2" : null);
Aug 10 01:24:53 <haeffb> in your setupRow function
Aug 10 01:25:08 <oil> and there is someone who has done it before :)
Aug 10 01:25:12 <haeffb> if VirtualRepeater works like VirtualList
Aug 10 01:25:25 <akanster> you can use enyo.Selection also
Aug 10 01:25:35 <akanster> turn multiselct off
Aug 10 01:26:12 <donc> akanster: from the manual it wasn't clear where to put the enyo.Selection outside the list, inside the list?
Aug 10 01:26:29 <donc> haeffb: I'll try your suggestion now
Aug 10 01:26:30 <akanster> outside the list iirc
Aug 10 01:26:39 <akanster> it sits just like a webService
Aug 10 01:26:44 <twbbas> on my list I just set the background color to blue and back to null
Aug 10 01:29:59 <twbbas> oil: LOL https://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/101096593196986368
Aug 10 01:31:06 <akanster> whoa, back up...
Aug 10 01:31:24 <akanster> if (orientation == "portrait") ?
Aug 10 01:31:44 <akanster> line 281.  Can *we* do that?
Aug 10 01:38:13 * haeffb wonders if I got a $50 app credit on the account with the loaner TP...
Aug 10 01:39:27 <haeffb> uhm. awesome.
Aug 10 01:41:11 <haeffb> akanster: it's a parameter passed to that function. So, of course you could. How you determine it is a different matter, though.
Aug 10 01:49:22 <twbbas> haeffb: I did
Aug 10 01:52:26 <akanster> pre-launch loaner?
Aug 10 01:56:17 <siestacat_onpixi> rwhitby : developer's name starts with a "t", right?
Aug 10 01:56:27 <rwhitby> yep, thibaud
Aug 10 01:56:38 <rwhitby> it's no secret
Aug 10 01:57:37 <haeffb> akanster: yes
Aug 10 01:58:13 <Jake_M> what happened =S
Aug 10 02:00:43 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: yo
Aug 10 02:00:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wassup
Aug 10 02:00:52 <PatrickC> nm
Aug 10 02:00:55 <PatrickC> hey, did Your Radio work?
Aug 10 02:01:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I never got it to :-(
Aug 10 02:01:41 <PatrickC> ah ok
Aug 10 02:02:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oil: I was both equally amused and appalled at your status about the App Catalog screenies
Aug 10 02:02:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and by appalled, I mean at HP. Like, seriously?
Aug 10 02:02:52 <Jake_M> I laughed hard at the image
Aug 10 02:03:00 <oil> lol
Aug 10 02:03:16 * PatrickC wants a link :)
Aug 10 02:03:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://i55.tinypic.com/2qtvm1y.png
Aug 10 02:04:24 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 10 02:04:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's ridiculous
Aug 10 02:07:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TechCrunch again proves why no one likes them anymore
Aug 10 02:07:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 10 02:08:41 <Jake_M> yeah that was a ridiculous article
Aug 10 02:08:45 * NuttyBunny slaps PatrickC .. read gtalk
Aug 10 02:09:25 <PatrickC> I'm on!
Aug 10 02:09:30 <PatrickC> you never responded
Aug 10 02:09:48 <NuttyBunny> huh?
Aug 10 02:09:53 <NuttyBunny> mmm...
Aug 10 02:09:54 <NuttyBunny> weird
Aug 10 02:10:04 <PatrickC> I said something about an app a few hrs ago
Aug 10 02:10:16 * haeffb wonders what sugardave is working on.
Aug 10 02:10:59 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: check gtalk
Aug 10 02:12:35 * NuttyBunny wonders what everyone is working on
Aug 10 02:12:49 <PatrickC> VIRTUAL KEYBOARD! :D
Aug 10 02:13:05 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae246/twbbas/spaz-hd_2011-09-08_173840.png
Aug 10 02:13:15 <Jake_M> I'm supposed to be working on the webosworld enyo app lol...I don't have my laptop
Aug 10 02:13:53 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
Aug 10 02:14:10 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, twbbas: Excellent!!! :D
Aug 10 02:14:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> NuttyBunny: still nothing webOS but yes web related :-/
Aug 10 02:14:40 * haeffb also wonders when reorderable lists will come to Enyo
Aug 10 02:16:06 <PuffTheMagic> you can already reorder a list
Aug 10 02:16:26 <rwhitby> program can, user can't.
Aug 10 02:17:29 <haeffb> some folks have extended the VIrtualList control to allow reordering. But I'd like to see it in Enyo itself.
Aug 10 02:17:52 * haeffb wonders why I always type VIrtual instead of Virtual
Aug 10 02:19:23 <haeffb> oil: post in the catalog thumbnails thread in EA?
Aug 10 02:19:39 <oil> eh?
Aug 10 02:20:19 <donc> enyo.log always seems to print /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js:75
Aug 10 02:20:31 <donc> is there way to make it print the correct line number like console.log?
Aug 10 02:20:41 <rwatkins> yesterday.  http://twitter.com/#!/ryanwatkins/status/100765723655278592
Aug 10 02:21:33 <rwhitby> rwatkins: yep, but it didn't have a funny picture ;)
Aug 10 02:21:49 <haeffb> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=17253
Aug 10 02:21:59 * rwhitby still hasn't got around to looking at the AUPT scripts
Aug 10 02:22:01 <rwatkins> nope.  rather than just bitch, someone .. coded.
Aug 10 02:22:24 <rwhitby> rwatkins: yep
Aug 10 02:22:36 <rwatkins> jason seems pretty sure it all hell breaks loose if you do it.  so whatever.
Aug 10 02:23:05 <NuttyBunny> Adora!!
Aug 10 02:23:20 <PatrickC> uhoh
Aug 10 02:23:27 <rwhitby> rwatkins: there was a previous patch to the /media/cryptofs app catalog to show download counts, and it caused the problem Jason is referring to when combined with the AUPT scripts
Aug 10 02:23:36 <rwatkins> use at your own risk.  no warrenty implied.  dont use while operating heavy machinery.
Aug 10 02:23:40 <rwhitby> rwatkins: if you apply manually directly using patch, all is fine
Aug 10 02:23:53 <oil> rwatkins: did you try to fix the sizing problem?
Aug 10 02:24:05 <rwhitby> but you can count the number of people who can use patch on the command line on one hand
Aug 10 02:24:26 <rwatkins> oil: no, the images are generated poorly - they are padded with transparent sections.
Aug 10 02:24:35 <oil> lol
Aug 10 02:24:40 <LarrySteeze> yo
Aug 10 02:24:44 <PatrickC> hey
Aug 10 02:24:45 <Jake_M> yo
Aug 10 02:24:54 <rwatkins> the landscape ones are smaller than the portrait ones then, unless there are hidden versions somewhere else on the cdn.
Aug 10 02:25:18 <LarrySteeze> I am in serious need of non-webos help if anyone is willing to help
Aug 10 02:25:34 <PatrickC> what kind of help?
Aug 10 02:25:43 <rwatkins> rwhitby: indeed.
Aug 10 02:25:50 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny is awesome
Aug 10 02:26:02 <rwatkins> wrote it because there was just alot of random bitching about it rather than actually just seeing about making it better.
Aug 10 02:26:05 <LarrySteeze> well...my one year anniversary is this weekend...and I don't know where to take my wife for a weekend getaway
Aug 10 02:26:12 <Jake_M> .........
Aug 10 02:26:14 <rwhitby> LarrySteeze: Australia
Aug 10 02:26:26 <LarrySteeze> hah...I'd love to go to australia
Aug 10 02:26:36 <LarrySteeze> if for no reason other than to meet you
Aug 10 02:26:45 <oil> and punch you in the face
Aug 10 02:26:50 <Jake_M> yeah take your wife to meet a guy in australia
Aug 10 02:27:08 <PatrickC> sounds like a good plan
Aug 10 02:27:13 <LarrySteeze> speaking of, rod, I'm going to pm you real quick
Aug 10 02:27:17 <rwatkins> paris.  and leave your phone and computer at home.
Aug 10 02:27:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and then have him punch you
Aug 10 02:27:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 10 02:27:32 <Jake_M> yeah I'd say france
Aug 10 02:27:39 <LarrySteeze> I think we're looking for something...drivable...in the new england (usa) area
Aug 10 02:27:42 <PatrickC> Iraq!
Aug 10 02:27:44 <Jake_M> wineries everywhere.
Aug 10 02:28:00 <Jake_M> US? going cheap? go big or go home!
Aug 10 02:28:11 <Jake_M> and you're already home so..go big!
Aug 10 02:28:22 <Jake_M> buy the eiffel tower
Aug 10 02:28:30 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 10 02:28:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> take a roadtrip
Aug 10 02:28:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rent an exotic
Aug 10 02:28:49 <haeffb> a weekend getaway to Australia? It'd take the weekend to get there.
Aug 10 02:28:52 <rwatkins> get out of your own back yard and see the world.
Aug 10 02:28:54 <PatrickC> to CA and meet Adora
Aug 10 02:29:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> go to Detroit; I'm watching "Hardcore Pawn", looks like a wonderful city
Aug 10 02:29:26 <oil> and punch her in the face?
Aug 10 02:29:27 <dwc-> been there, done that
Aug 10 02:29:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 10 02:29:49 <Jake_M> despite rumors of san francisco being the "gay capital" it's actually a really awesome city
Aug 10 02:30:04 <oil> dwc-: you punched Adora in the face?
Aug 10 02:30:06 <Jake_M> just in case you're paranoid ;P
Aug 10 02:30:13 * haeffb wonders why LarrySteeze is asking people from Australia, Missiouri, Washington, etc. about weekend getaways close to his home...
Aug 10 02:30:19 <rwatkins> "despite"?
Aug 10 02:30:22 <dwc-> oil: haven't you?
Aug 10 02:30:27 <oil> nope
Aug 10 02:30:32 * haeffb wonders why he misspells Missouri
Aug 10 02:30:32 <LarrySteeze> well...we're both working day jobs...
Aug 10 02:30:40 <LarrySteeze> and who knows who's here from NE
Aug 10 02:30:42 <PatrickC> oil likes getting his apps approved :)
Aug 10 02:30:43 <dwc-> bahston
Aug 10 02:30:46 <oil> well, we met in nyc, but i never punched her in the face
Aug 10 02:30:59 <PatrickC> I'm from Tennessee and FL
Aug 10 02:31:07 <haeffb> oil missed a golden opportunity for face-punching
Aug 10 02:31:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my ex is from St. Louis. #SadPanda
Aug 10 02:31:47 <Jake_M> laser tag
Aug 10 02:32:04 <oil> lol
Aug 10 02:32:06 <siestacat_onpixi> best alternate music player?
Aug 10 02:32:17 <oil> not koto
Aug 10 02:32:26 <oil> :)
Aug 10 02:32:29 <Jake_M> music player remix or koto player
Aug 10 02:32:32 <haeffb> LarrySteeze: take her to a nice hotel for the weekend. With a day spa. Room service. etc.
Aug 10 02:32:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> siestacat_onpixi: On Pixi? What a trooper.
Aug 10 02:32:38 <oil> its too bad Tibfib_ isnt around to see that :(
Aug 10 02:32:46 <Jake_M> screen cap it
Aug 10 02:33:20 <siestacat_onpixi> yes IGNTNUNLMTD
Aug 10 02:33:50 <siestacat_onpixi> rofl holy crap pixi running at 45c
Aug 10 02:33:59 <siestacat_onpixi> burning my hands
Aug 10 02:34:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha oh man
Aug 10 02:34:09 <Jake_M> ?? my pre is at 47
Aug 10 02:34:13 <NuttyBunny> siestacat_onpixi: 2.1? ;)
Aug 10 02:34:15 <siestacat_onpixi> woah
Aug 10 02:34:33 <siestacat_onpixi> NuttyBunny : Stock :(
Aug 10 02:34:43 <haeffb> oil: 0.02 posts per day.
Aug 10 02:34:51 <LarrySteeze> haeffb: that's what i intend to do. The problem is finding one on the coast that has any openings
Aug 10 02:34:51 <siestacat_onpixi> UberKernel at 806mhz
Aug 10 02:34:54 <oil> what am i up to? 3?
Aug 10 02:34:58 <NuttyBunny> siestacat_onpixi: good done
Aug 10 02:35:01 <siestacat_onpixi> 46c
Aug 10 02:35:10 <haeffb> LarrySteeze: get a divorce, and plan earlier for the next one.
Aug 10 02:35:17 <siestacat_onpixi> NuttyBunny : Good done?
Aug 10 02:35:20 <haeffb> 14 in two years
Aug 10 02:35:21 <Jake_M> lolol
Aug 10 02:35:25 <Jake_M> hahaha
Aug 10 02:35:35 <NuttyBunny> siestacat_onpixi: nevermind, I meant "well done" or something like that..
Aug 10 02:35:38 <Jake_M> also, oil posted in xbl friends!
Aug 10 02:35:39 <LarrySteeze> Well...we hesitated because we were trying to figure out if we need to go visit my sister
Aug 10 02:35:47 <LarrySteeze> because she's been in the hospital >.<
Aug 10 02:35:51 <oil> well, there isn't much on the ea forum to talk about :/
Aug 10 02:35:53 <Jake_M> larry cruise to jamaica
Aug 10 02:35:55 * oil likes to work in the open
Aug 10 02:35:56 <haeffb> just kidding...don't really get a divorce.
Aug 10 02:36:06 <LarrySteeze> but it looks like she's going to be fine, so now we're looking for something to do
Aug 10 02:36:20 <LarrySteeze> we've even considered just something here in the city, pricelining it
Aug 10 02:36:23 <dwc-> there's always the hamptons and martha's vineyard!
Aug 10 02:36:34 <LarrySteeze> I was thinking about that, actually!
Aug 10 02:36:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the Vineyard is nice
Aug 10 02:36:42 <siestacat_onpixi> best pixi music player?
Aug 10 02:36:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> real nice
Aug 10 02:36:47 <Jake_M> ...
Aug 10 02:36:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> go during the week if possible though
Aug 10 02:36:55 <Jake_M> music player remix or koto player
Aug 10 02:37:00 <LarrySteeze> the only downside to martha's vineyard is that her family's vacation is there...the next week
Aug 10 02:37:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> MPR
Aug 10 02:37:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Jake_M
Aug 10 02:37:09 <Jake_M> what
Aug 10 02:37:12 <haeffb> Most active forum: 	JavaScript programming for webOS
Aug 10 02:37:12 <haeffb> [ 2 Posts / 14.29% of user’s posts ]
Aug 10 02:37:15 <LarrySteeze> but I don't know anything about the hamptons
Aug 10 02:37:20 <LarrySteeze> I'll look that up
Aug 10 02:37:32 <dwc-> ny waaaaaaaaaaaaay out on long island
Aug 10 02:37:40 <oil> haeffb: stop stalking me
Aug 10 02:37:51 <dwc-> niagara?
Aug 10 02:38:05 <Jake_M> stalking = looking up a users number of posts
Aug 10 02:38:05 <LarrySteeze> Ah...I think if we were to go that far out, we may as well go to NYC for the weekend
Aug 10 02:38:10 <haeffb> better than blaming oil
Aug 10 02:38:13 <oil> true
Aug 10 02:38:17 <LarrySteeze> we're in Boston, fwiw
Aug 10 02:38:25 <haeffb> rwhitby made me stop
Aug 10 02:38:32 <Jake_M> go to the boston webos meetup
Aug 10 02:39:42 <siestacat_onpixi> I hate music remix
Aug 10 02:39:48 <LarrySteeze> When is it?
Aug 10 02:39:49 <siestacat_onpixi> koto is 2.1+
Aug 10 02:40:04 <LarrySteeze> sorry, I haven't been keeping up with webos news...I've been a bad fanboy
Aug 10 02:40:27 <Jake_M> larry I think it's in september. I'm friends with the guy who's organizing
Aug 10 02:40:43 <LarrySteeze> if it's in Sep, I'll have to go
Aug 10 02:41:21 <Jake_M> siestacat the problem is, music players weren't really "allowed" before 2.1
Aug 10 02:41:32 <siestacat_onpixi> oh
Aug 10 02:41:36 <Jake_M> so MPR is probably the only one available
Aug 10 02:41:47 <siestacat_onpixi> well, stock it is!
Aug 10 02:42:08 <Jake_M> ?? what's wrong with it?,
Aug 10 02:42:26 <siestacat_onpixi> woth what?
Aug 10 02:42:33 <Jake_M> mpr
Aug 10 02:43:28 <siestacat_onpixi> clunky
Aug 10 02:43:45 <Jake_M> larry: complete this form: http://bit.ly/webos-boston-signup
Aug 10 02:44:26 <siestacat_onpixi> zcorder not woeking on my pixi+?
Aug 10 02:45:06 <Jake_M> http://webosworld.com/2011/06/22/webos-world-update/
Aug 10 02:45:18 <Jake_M> larry that's when the boston event was "announcedo
Aug 10 02:45:19 <Jake_M> "
Aug 10 02:45:23 <LarrySteeze> signed up
Aug 10 02:45:52 <Jake_M> siestacat appears to have a lot of problems...
Aug 10 02:46:09 <LarrySteeze> anyone here familiar with linuxmce?
Aug 10 02:46:45 <LarrySteeze> I'm kind of in love with it now :D
Aug 10 02:47:25 <LarrySteeze> I just want a webos orbiter
Aug 10 02:47:34 <Jake_M> looks cool
Aug 10 02:48:22 <LarrySteeze> It can talk to zwave and zigbee, which is cool in my book
Aug 10 02:49:08 <LarrySteeze> but unfortunately, nothing for webos...or even phonegap
Aug 10 02:49:30 <LarrySteeze> http://www.newenglandinnsandresorts.com/new-england-hotels/crowne-pointe-historic-inn-and-spa
Aug 10 02:49:35 <LarrySteeze> does that look befitting?
Aug 10 02:50:36 <LarrySteeze> never mind...sold out too...
Aug 10 02:51:00 <siestacat> quick question
Aug 10 02:51:10 <LarrySteeze> sup
Aug 10 02:51:24 <siestacat> pixi supposed to only play sound from one of two speakers on back?
Aug 10 02:51:41 <PatrickC> one
Aug 10 02:51:44 <LarrySteeze> yeah
Aug 10 02:51:50 <siestacat> ah
Aug 10 02:51:53 <PatrickC> get your Toodo invite from me on twitter
Aug 10 02:52:13 <siestacat> one reserved for media the other system sounds and such?
Aug 10 02:52:58 <Shadyman1> Is there a way to use non-standard fonts in enyo? I've added the font stanza to the .css file, and i've tried styling a <div> in index.html and a control, and nothing seems to work
Aug 10 02:53:11 <LarrySteeze> well
Aug 10 02:53:18 <LarrySteeze> take your rear cover off
Aug 10 02:53:28 <LarrySteeze> you'll see why :P
Aug 10 02:54:10 <siestacat> me?
Aug 10 02:54:16 <PatrickC> yes
Aug 10 02:54:18 <twbbas> did he just ask you to take your pants off
Aug 10 02:54:19 <LarrySteeze> yeah
Aug 10 02:54:20 <siestacat> does it just pop off?
Aug 10 02:54:27 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 10 02:54:29 <LarrySteeze> yep
Aug 10 02:54:29 <Shadyman1> twbbas: Yeah
Aug 10 02:54:55 <siestacat> any tabs or anything?
Aug 10 02:55:36 <PatrickC> nope
Aug 10 02:55:42 <LarrySteeze> it should just pop off
Aug 10 02:56:24 <LarrySteeze> http://www.precentral.net/how-remove-pixi-battery-cover-for-real
Aug 10 02:56:52 <PatrickC> RT @quickoffice: @nkbme @carowarz Please stay tuned for editing in Quickoffice on the TouchPad :-)
Aug 10 02:57:09 * LarrySteeze wants docs to go on TP
Aug 10 02:57:30 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: old news, they said that already a long time ago
Aug 10 02:58:18 <LarrySteeze> maybe I should look at rhode island
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