**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 13 02:59:57 2011 Aug 13 03:00:02 I always wanted one! Aug 13 03:00:15 I think I paid like 5 bucks for it on close out Aug 13 03:00:23 its still sealed Aug 13 03:00:26 my Visor is actually in pristine condition Aug 13 03:00:36 added it to my nostalgia collection earlier today Aug 13 03:00:46 nice Aug 13 03:01:05 Mine is as well, except for the battery Aug 13 03:01:12 lost the original stylus years ago tho Aug 13 03:01:13 which I should take out and charge and use it a bit Aug 13 03:01:19 lol Aug 13 03:01:56 just put some batteries in. "Palm Computing" popped up !! Aug 13 03:02:09 ah yours used AA or something right? Aug 13 03:02:22 yeah Aug 13 03:02:38 I have the Visor Prism, I think it was their first full color device, rechargeables Aug 13 03:02:41 AAA Aug 13 03:02:43 no removable battery Aug 13 03:02:59 (which is why I dont care when people cry over a sealed battery) Aug 13 03:04:59 but I digress... back to building a tp app Aug 13 03:05:06 amazing, I'm still pretty good with Graffiti :) Aug 13 03:05:12 :) Aug 13 03:05:33 * CTLAdvance NOM NOM NOM Aug 13 03:06:04 CTLAdvance: Y U NOM NOM NOM WHEN U NO NOM NOM NOM? Aug 13 03:06:24 What is nom nomen Aug 13 03:06:28 NOM NOM NOODLES Aug 13 03:06:49 I am making a soup company Aug 13 03:06:52 NOM NOM NOODLES Aug 13 03:06:56 :) Aug 13 03:07:17 IS it in there? NOM NOM NO Aug 13 03:07:22 not any more Aug 13 03:07:40 twbbas_, IGNTNUNLMTD: pingg Aug 13 03:08:08 Greetings Aug 13 03:08:54 Tibfib, did you release this yet Aug 13 03:08:56 hey so I'm adding in a preference for when you swipe to the next card when the item sliding pane is visible, it changes the sliding pane items Aug 13 03:09:01 CTLAdvance: sooooon Aug 13 03:09:03 but not yet Aug 13 03:09:09 the question is, what should be the default? Aug 13 03:09:15 How can I nom nom when I no have nom nom Aug 13 03:09:32 and I don't know if that was a cohoerent explanation of a preference Aug 13 03:09:40 hmm wonder how big my webOS backup is going to be Aug 13 03:09:55 of all mojo projects Aug 13 03:10:08 not bad 270mb Aug 13 03:10:18 IGNTNUNLMTD: so when you are viewing an article in the sliding pane and swipe to a different card, the pane doesn't change. I'm turning that into a preference. What should the default be? Aug 13 03:10:30 s/that/the pane changing/ Aug 13 03:25:51 Bleh, I always decide to pick nontrivial things to start on when I start on a platform Aug 13 03:26:22 * rrix needs to decide whether to rewrite a python webserver as a node.js service or come up with a better solution Aug 13 03:26:41 I can't find any good documentation on services though Aug 13 03:43:50 does the SDK for Linux have some source code running around that I could build/package on openSUSE? Aug 13 03:44:50 rrix: there's semi-decent documentation on the developer.palm.com Aug 13 03:45:00 but the really helpful stuff is the samples in the sdk Aug 13 03:45:16 woo veer ipk works, took me an hour or so Aug 13 03:45:29 idk why ppl would want to play on a screen that small Aug 13 03:45:36 but if they want it, i'll give it to them. Aug 13 03:59:23 * fxspec06 just got dev device discount email, and didn't request one =p Aug 13 04:00:17 idk if they already were sending them out or not Aug 13 04:02:35 fxspec06: cool Aug 13 04:03:53 ya, except now when i change things i have to try it in six thousand different emulators Aug 13 04:04:02 why? Aug 13 04:04:17 I'm talking about the discount :) Aug 13 04:04:30 oh Aug 13 04:04:36 well i can't afford one. or buy one. Aug 13 04:05:25 ah Aug 13 04:05:37 what belt are you? green? Aug 13 04:06:14 yeah Aug 13 04:06:43 i can get two devices up to 25% off valid until dec 31 2011 Aug 13 04:07:27 cool Aug 13 04:07:30 so $450? Aug 13 04:07:42 i guess Aug 13 04:07:53 cool Aug 13 04:08:08 how long have you been with webos? Aug 13 04:08:33 11 mos Aug 13 04:09:06 hmm.. I would ask about the loyalty discount Aug 13 04:09:12 brings it to $389 Aug 13 04:09:28 radio shack has em for 325ish right now Aug 13 04:09:30 PatrickC: i can't buy one Aug 13 04:09:41 halfhalo: for the 32gb? Aug 13 04:09:51 i can't afford one. i have no money. yo tengo nil Aug 13 04:09:51 16 Aug 13 04:10:38 halfhalo: I get a 32 for 389 Aug 13 04:11:01 * halfhalo got one for free. Aug 13 04:11:10 * oil too Aug 13 04:11:19 wait, forgot about that one Aug 13 04:11:23 * halfhalo got two for free Aug 13 04:11:34 i got one for fee Aug 13 04:11:36 * oil could Aug 13 04:12:00 shush you Aug 13 04:12:11 i can send you guys my mailing address Aug 13 04:12:20 if you happen to have an extra you're not using Aug 13 04:12:21 nein Aug 13 04:12:25 NEIN Aug 13 04:12:40 nine? Aug 13 04:12:41 i can send you some bubblegum or something Aug 13 04:15:01 do some awesome opensource stuff and join webosinternals = free devices Aug 13 04:15:11 lol Aug 13 04:15:21 its a meritocracy, so the more awesome stuff you do the better you're treated :) Aug 13 04:15:49 * halfhalo took the lazy way and got an internship Aug 13 04:15:56 lol Aug 13 04:17:40 * PatrickC doesn't have adobe reader.. Aug 13 04:21:19 anyone know what function gets called when a pane is dismissed? Aug 13 04:25:11 PuffTheMagic: NONE Aug 13 04:25:24 reaaaallly weird, I was just working on that Aug 13 04:26:00 PuffTheMagic: this extended kind has it though: https://github.com/dcousineau/EKL/blob/master/components/Layout/SlidingPane.js Aug 13 04:27:30 NOMNOMNOM IS DONE! Aug 13 04:27:38 * oil checks email Aug 13 04:27:46 oil: in just a min Aug 13 04:27:51 lolo Aug 13 04:27:51 just bug fixess until submission Aug 13 04:27:54 but feature ready Aug 13 04:27:56 http://twitter.com/#!/ryanwatkins/status/102231527248773120 Aug 13 04:28:18 rwatkins: android "tables" Aug 13 04:28:25 oil: we need that splashIcon thing for Preware Aug 13 04:28:34 details details Aug 13 04:29:01 splashiconthing? Aug 13 04:29:23 there fixed Aug 13 04:29:42 damn, there's more PS2's than anything. i knew that, but i had no idea 155 million Aug 13 04:29:43 =O Aug 13 04:30:01 ps2 is like 20 years old Aug 13 04:30:13 just because marco was so smug in his post about ipad sales Aug 13 04:30:36 so the atari jaguar Aug 13 04:30:54 lol, cant beleive 32x is on that Aug 13 04:30:58 lol you spelled tablets wrong Aug 13 04:31:04 you put, 'Android Tables' Aug 13 04:31:07 where is Dreamcast? Aug 13 04:31:10 F5 Aug 13 04:31:20 lol Aug 13 04:32:30 nice chart tho. gnite Aug 13 04:34:08 oil: Tibfib mentioned it before - splash screen background and icon Aug 13 04:34:22 splashIcon splashBackground Aug 13 04:34:28 doesn't seem to work on 3.0 for some reason Aug 13 04:34:36 or I'm probably doing something wrong Aug 13 04:35:03 on full-screen mojo? Aug 13 04:35:03 Tibfib, that code dont work for slidingview Aug 13 04:35:09 yeah it does Aug 13 04:35:12 PuffTheMagic: modify it Aug 13 04:35:20 it won't work out of the box unless you use all of it. Aug 13 04:35:29 which is more than just the page I showed Aug 13 04:35:49 * PuffTheMagic just listends to setShowing Aug 13 04:35:54 err overrides it Aug 13 04:35:56 that'll work Aug 13 04:36:00 probably a better way Aug 13 04:36:23 onDismiss is for the pane instead of the view Aug 13 04:36:48 while listening to showing changes would work for the view itself Aug 13 04:36:50 smart Aug 13 04:39:19 oh splashicon NOT splashIcon Aug 13 04:39:35 I don't think splashBackground works at all Aug 13 04:39:39 (3.0) Aug 13 04:40:18 anaya2 on the Palm forums - 2195 posts, none with any useful content. Aug 13 04:40:27 rwatkins: cough, +1 Aug 13 04:40:52 I'd mark him a 'foe' to hide his posts, but people still reply to him. Aug 13 04:42:21 yeaah Aug 13 04:43:50 rwatkins: but the first thing seen in preware is either the spinner or the yes/no buttons Aug 13 04:43:56 wtf tab order Aug 13 04:43:59 rwhitby-tp: ^ Aug 13 04:44:04 oil: inorite Aug 13 04:46:49 hmmm, was there anyone else I promised nomnomnom to? Aug 13 04:48:21 Tibfib: paid app catalog, but open source? Aug 13 04:49:08 yep Aug 13 04:49:25 speaking of which, I need to determine my license Aug 13 04:49:35 rwatkins: I've sent it to you before, right? Aug 13 04:49:57 I cloned and built it Aug 13 04:50:02 ah Aug 13 04:50:10 I remember now Aug 13 04:50:19 but ya. a couple versions back. getting ready for release? Aug 13 04:50:34 yep, sending out the first RC tonight Aug 13 04:50:40 I'm sure there'll be a couple Aug 13 04:50:49 I'm hoping to submit sunday night/monday Aug 13 04:51:02 cool Aug 13 04:52:55 oil: lovin the wIRC stamp :) Aug 13 04:53:04 :) Aug 13 04:53:41 when does the phone get the 'Flat Dark' theme? :) Aug 13 04:55:57 too many things to do so little time Aug 13 04:56:05 patches are always welcome Aug 13 04:56:06 always is Aug 13 04:56:18 * PatrickC wouldn't know how to patch it if he tried :P Aug 13 04:56:31 well, the patch wouldn't go in preware or something Aug 13 04:56:40 I would add Aug 13 04:56:41 it would be applied to the source Aug 13 04:56:45 and call it a day Aug 13 04:56:52 yeah, thats not gonna work Aug 13 04:56:52 I know Aug 13 04:57:02 that's my problem lol Aug 13 04:57:09 I'm not too good with CSS Aug 13 04:57:22 thats not a "c" language? Aug 13 04:57:28 haha Aug 13 04:57:30 it starts with a C Aug 13 04:57:39 I "c" what you did there Aug 13 04:58:08 that stamp should be the new background for palm-dark's theme Aug 13 04:58:40 PatrickC: on repeat, right? Aug 13 04:58:44 its on the "blank" side of wirc Aug 13 04:58:45 http://i52.tinypic.com/2jdnx43.png Aug 13 04:59:03 Tibfib: idk. haven't looked at the source Aug 13 04:59:06 oil: do you really pronounce it "werk"? Aug 13 04:59:10 yes Aug 13 04:59:16 or I misunderstood the question :P Aug 13 04:59:30 * Tibfib pronounces it "double-you eye are see" Aug 13 04:59:42 dont you feel lame when you pronounce it like that? Aug 13 04:59:43 Tibfib: same here Aug 13 05:00:07 lol Aug 13 05:00:08 oil: why do you spell it "werk", when "work" is pronounced the same? Aug 13 05:00:14 just like mIRC Aug 13 05:00:14 oil: well now I do. Aug 13 05:00:16 wIRC Aug 13 05:00:19 just to make you ask questions like that Aug 13 05:00:21 * halfhalo pronounces is "meh" Aug 13 05:00:23 mIRC = merk Aug 13 05:00:37 you should be shot in the face! Aug 13 05:00:40 oil: and it succeeded. Aug 13 05:00:45 huzzah! Aug 13 05:01:01 enyo wirc is purty Aug 13 05:01:01 dang I have a good story from school but I'm too lazy to type it out Aug 13 05:01:06 PatrickC: hows the villo app coming? Aug 13 05:01:17 akanster: on hold.. Aug 13 05:01:32 akanster: till I learn more js/finish this game Aug 13 05:01:33 how come? Aug 13 05:01:53 I don't know enough js to finish it yet Aug 13 05:02:04 so I'll get to the punchline: "yeah people purposely mis-spelled words that african americans would say so they appeared stupid" Aug 13 05:02:31 * PatrickC is running Adobe Reader 8 :/ Aug 13 05:02:37 that was a continuation of "dang I have a good story from school but I'm too lazy to type it out" ^ Aug 13 05:03:57 ah.. C++ time Aug 13 05:04:27 bah, its all about the js Aug 13 05:04:46 I was told that OOP would help me learn js Aug 13 05:04:47 * oil almost wishes there was a screen-cast of PatrickCs computer so he could watch this Aug 13 05:05:00 * halfhalo does as well Aug 13 05:05:31 PatrickC: you are spreading yourself out too much. focus on one thing. Aug 13 05:05:36 oil: buy me a computer that can handle it and I'll set it up :) Aug 13 05:05:55 * oil has no money Aug 13 05:06:10 akanster: I'm learning C++ because I was told that an Objective Oriented Language would help get me into better habits for JS Aug 13 05:06:28 * halfhalo has no free monies Aug 13 05:06:30 oil, halfhalo: me three Aug 13 05:06:34 ruby! Aug 13 05:06:43 with ruby EVERYTHING is an object! Aug 13 05:06:50 its like "i dont want to learn how to ride a bike by using training wheels, so I Aug 13 05:06:56 if js was hard enough, C++ will hurt you Aug 13 05:06:56 I'll just drive this harley" Aug 13 05:07:10 "i dont want to learn how to ride a bike by using training wheels, so I'll just ride this unicycle" <--- fixed Aug 13 05:07:17 lol Aug 13 05:07:29 akanster: JS didn't really promise money.. this game is really wanted Aug 13 05:07:39 and confirmed that want by a tweet today Aug 13 05:07:55 oooh, the mighty tweet Aug 13 05:08:03 yep Aug 13 05:08:07 there's only like a billion of them every day. Aug 13 05:08:10 tweets rule Aug 13 05:08:18 * akanster is glad he is drinking Aug 13 05:08:29 akanster: milk is great Aug 13 05:09:02 AHHHH!!! 878 pages?! Aug 13 05:09:08 lol Aug 13 05:09:10 * PatrickC cries :"( Aug 13 05:09:13 milk and cookies, homie! Aug 13 05:09:26 I guess this will take me a while :/ Aug 13 05:09:52 akanster: got a TP? Aug 13 05:09:58 nope Aug 13 05:10:01 ah lame Aug 13 05:10:05 heh Aug 13 05:10:12 was gonna offer you an exclusing beta to NomNomNom Aug 13 05:10:19 ah Aug 13 05:10:24 called OMNOMNOMNOM Aug 13 05:10:30 it's the special edition Aug 13 05:10:37 ooh Aug 13 05:10:47 * akanster should order his loaner already Aug 13 05:11:31 no joke Aug 13 05:11:37 * PatrickC should too Aug 13 05:12:41 I almost dont want to email pdc just to see how long my app can remain in "Ready for Review" Aug 13 05:12:50 1 full week so far :) Aug 13 05:12:58 lol Aug 13 05:13:00 sugardave will fix it :) Aug 13 05:13:14 NO! Aug 13 05:13:40 trust me, 1 week is NOT the record Aug 13 05:13:42 by a long shot Aug 13 05:13:51 lol Aug 13 05:13:55 heh Aug 13 05:14:06 this should be our new bet. Aug 13 05:14:10 * PatrickC thinks oil had wirc in there for a *long* time Aug 13 05:14:11 how long can you go? Aug 13 05:14:23 no, wirc was actually handled relatively quickly Aug 13 05:14:33 because i kept annoying adora Aug 13 05:14:42 oil: really? didn't it have some.. bumps.. along the way? Aug 13 05:14:43 back in the early access days of the catalog Aug 13 05:14:45 thats the way to do it Aug 13 05:14:56 :p Aug 13 05:14:57 lol wirc handled quickly Aug 13 05:14:57 im pretty sure i had an app sit there for like 3 weeks before someone got to it Aug 13 05:15:12 if you dont the 1.5 years of BS Aug 13 05:15:19 yeah, i wasnt counting that Aug 13 05:15:33 i was counting time of submission to it getting handled rejected/reviewed/accepted Aug 13 05:15:41 was within a week each time* Aug 13 05:16:01 ok, really brb now Aug 13 05:17:23 oil: COME BACK Aug 13 05:17:42 I'm going to bed Aug 13 05:17:44 night all Aug 13 05:18:41 THERE Aug 13 05:18:47 NOMNOMNOM RC1 sent out Aug 13 05:20:41 Goodnight everyone Aug 13 05:23:58 awwww, my livestrong bracelet just snapped Aug 13 05:24:03 had it for nearly a year Aug 13 05:24:18 how do i disable panel transisitons Aug 13 05:24:27 setting transitionKind to null did not work Aug 13 05:24:43 PuffTheMagic: pane's? Aug 13 05:24:59 well crap, novacomd doesn't seem to like my kernel :/ Aug 13 05:25:13 SlidingView Aug 13 05:25:20 https://gist.github.com/1143502 Aug 13 05:25:24 PuffTheMagic: change it to "View", I believe Aug 13 05:25:32 and from SlidingPane to just Pane Aug 13 05:25:49 I dont use SlidingPane anywhere Aug 13 05:25:54 just SlidingView Aug 13 05:26:03 hmmm, I think "View" is a kind Aug 13 05:26:18 i want it a slider Aug 13 05:26:48 err, nope, I lied Aug 13 05:26:54 just no damn animation when its created Aug 13 05:28:52 hi from wirc enyo Aug 13 05:33:52 Tibfib: eh? Aug 13 05:37:51 "you are most likely using incompatible libusb version - please read the note about Fedora 15 above and try using libusb-0.1.so.4 from Fedora 14" aha! Aug 13 05:59:13 Well if AU has received a $100 drop on the TouchPad, somebody might want to tell Harvey Norman at Martin Pl. Aug 13 06:01:31 Hendikins: it's reflected on their web site I think Aug 13 06:02:17 rwhitby: It is, but it is also "pre-order" there too. Aug 13 06:02:33 I did get to have a play with it though, and would definitely consider purchasing it. Aug 13 06:03:00 They're just gits at Martin Pl. Aug 13 06:03:48 Hendikins: they have them for sale? Aug 13 06:04:11 They would have happily sold me a 32GB unit for $698. Aug 13 06:05:21 At $598 I'd um and ah a bit, simply because the AU stock would at least include a local AC charger. Aug 13 06:05:40 And a 3G modem that I could get rid of. Aug 13 06:06:04 which 3G stick is it? Aug 13 06:07:20 It is a mifi type device of some sort. Aug 13 06:07:47 locked I guess Aug 13 06:07:49 Probably on Optus going by the "minimum of 4GB data" Aug 13 06:09:37 * Hendikins ducks up to the Broadway store to suss this out a bit more. Aug 13 06:09:44 I'm on standby, no work to do. Aug 13 07:11:13 rwhitby: I put aside my hatred of Gerry Harvey. I may not have a polite word to describe him with, but I'm not going to take it out on a franchisee (Broadway, where I was dealing with the manager) who is trying to do the right thing by me. Aug 13 07:11:20 So I've got a 32GB TouchPad. Aug 13 07:11:41 sweet. at what price? Aug 13 07:12:05 Hendikins: do you have a twitter account? Aug 13 07:12:08 I managed to get it down to 579. Not as good as Amazon + GST, but also a lot less stuffing around. Aug 13 07:12:14 I'm also hendikins on Twitter. Aug 13 07:13:22 even if it's not the first, we'll say it is :) Aug 13 07:13:43 They do have the 64GB model in their system, but no units have appeared. Aug 13 07:14:03 Otherwise I would have walked out with one. They had 40-odd 32GB units at Broadway. Aug 13 07:14:59 They didn't have the 3G modem though. Being non-Telstra it didn't matter to me anyway. Aug 13 07:17:21 rwhitby: Before I do anything stupid like activate it as an Australian device, is there anything in particular I should do (like activate it as a US device)? Aug 13 07:18:39 Hendikins: you have one choice for app catalog country. one and only one. Aug 13 07:19:00 I personally chose US Aug 13 07:19:26 I doubt there will ever be something in the AU catalog which is not in the US catalog, but the reverse is already true and will only get worse as time goes on. Aug 13 07:20:03 So business as usual, in other words. Aug 13 07:20:27 yeah, at least this time you get the choice, but only once. Aug 13 07:20:40 Hello Impostah. Aug 13 07:20:48 don't need impostah Aug 13 07:20:57 Just tie it to a "US" profile? Aug 13 07:20:58 the app catalog actually asks you the first time it is started Aug 13 07:21:10 That... is too easy. Aug 13 07:21:19 deceptively so Aug 13 07:21:31 they even tell you it's a one-shot choice too Aug 13 07:22:02 and also tell you the credit card countries you need for that choice Aug 13 07:22:24 Hendikins: you may want to consider an ext3fs partition Aug 13 07:23:21 By saying "may" you're implying that it isn't already high on my list of priorities. Aug 13 07:23:55 I've used 2GB out of 8GB on mine Aug 13 07:24:14 Had a good yarn with the guys at Broadway, demoed the pairing with WebOS phones and OS on the Veer/Pre2, etc. Aug 13 07:24:47 I even got asked why I'm working on the railways instead of in IT. Heh. Aug 13 07:26:46 did you show him how to install Preware on new devices for customers? Aug 13 07:28:21 I strongly suggested looking out Preware and demonstrated it on the phones, but it isn't something one should really do on a store demo. Aug 13 07:29:14 I could send him some promo codes for the store demo units :) Aug 13 07:31:03 It was nice having store staff that actually seemed to give a damn, rather than simply ignoring me sussing out the unit and being useless when I was done. Aug 13 07:34:59 Back shortly, testing out the AirCard 753S I purchased at the same time. Aug 13 09:10:16 whoa! Floor plans for Apple's new Spaceship campus - http://cdn.macrumors.com/images-new/downloads/FloorPlan_Cross_Section.pdf Aug 13 10:07:55 Well, time to start homebrewing my TouchPad. Aug 13 10:08:01 wuh Aug 13 10:33:28 Having cookies transferred from my phone is handy. Aug 13 10:48:11 rwhitby: You might find this interesting. My Pre2 shows up as "Palm Pre2 (Telstra Australia)" on the WebOS account management tool. Aug 13 10:50:37 My Veer on Telstra shows up as Veer (ATT) though. Aug 13 10:50:52 the process 'switcher' took over 70% or my pre2 and it drained my battery like crazy. Aug 13 10:51:15 is there some known issue? sometimes it seems to lack memory as well, which is verrrry odd Aug 13 11:33:35 hi Aug 13 11:44:13 how i test for the existence of a property inside a JSON object without using try/catch, i always get type errors tryng to use typeof(this.feed.myprop) != "undefinied") or get a error if i try this.feed.hasOwnProperty('myprop) Aug 13 11:54:13 re Aug 13 13:07:32 good morning #webos Aug 13 13:07:51 * haeffb going to get some paint and paint my house today. Yay! Aug 13 15:32:49 http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/102401652358787072 Aug 13 15:50:31 http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/13/gop-presidential-candidate-quoted-pokemon-the-movie-2000-four/ Aug 13 15:54:38 lol Aug 13 15:55:20 woo Aug 13 15:55:26 got mentioned on TIMN's podcast too Aug 13 15:57:46 Tibfib: I don't think notifications are working for me yet Aug 13 15:58:00 hmmm I may know why Aug 13 15:58:00 Tibfib: Wait, do they only display when the app is closed? Aug 13 15:58:08 closed or not focuesd Aug 13 15:58:10 ok Aug 13 15:58:22 I'm gonna send out a new ipk very soon Aug 13 15:58:27 I just checked my TP and the app was open :p. I thought I closed it before I left an hour ago. Aug 13 15:59:32 twbbas: well as long the app isn't focused.. Aug 13 15:59:38 it wasn't Aug 13 15:59:59 Tibfib: When I loaded up RC1, it still had my settings saved from the last beta. Some feeds weren't set for notifications and others were. Aug 13 16:00:11 twbbas: right Aug 13 16:00:14 I just changed the default Aug 13 16:00:18 Yeah, I figured Aug 13 16:00:26 no reason to put in a workaround for the whole 5 of you Aug 13 16:00:29 I'll try toggling the notifications on/off again Aug 13 16:00:31 I'm not in a position to test RC1 until after wednesday Aug 13 16:00:34 FYI Aug 13 16:00:37 oh? Aug 13 16:00:40 summatusmentis: Getting a TP then? Aug 13 16:00:50 well I'm hoping to submit sunday night Aug 13 16:00:51 no no, I've got a TP, in rural WI, and there's no wifi :) Aug 13 16:00:56 ah Aug 13 16:01:05 o Aug 13 16:01:14 I can _maybe_ try tonight via freetether, but will have to see Aug 13 16:01:42 just thought I'd let you know Aug 13 16:02:03 summatusmentis: no worries Aug 13 16:02:08 do what you can't, don't worry about the rest Aug 13 16:02:16 Tibfib: HAHAHAHA the monkey!!!!! Aug 13 16:02:31 the monkey shows up in multiple places :) Aug 13 16:02:43 no interent, no feeds, on the tour Aug 13 16:02:48 Tibfib: One thing is that it's kinda confusing that it's showing up when I DO have feeds set just there aren't any new articles Aug 13 16:02:55 and it's telling me to add new feeds Aug 13 16:03:01 oh? Aug 13 16:03:08 "you don't have any feeds set up yet" Aug 13 16:03:08 that is a bug Aug 13 16:03:14 but everything is read? Aug 13 16:03:15 I hit "hide read" for the first time Aug 13 16:03:17 yes Aug 13 16:03:28 OH Aug 13 16:03:29 shoot Aug 13 16:03:37 that's a bug Aug 13 16:03:40 thanks man! Aug 13 16:03:44 no problemo Aug 13 16:03:44 I thought I worked around it, guess not. Aug 13 16:05:15 https://twitter.com/#!/germboy/status/102406124178898945 Aug 13 16:05:18 did HP change T2S? Aug 13 16:05:37 You'll now be able to just "push" data between both devices instead of having to touch? Aug 13 16:06:10 nice Aug 13 16:06:20 I still want swipe-to-share Aug 13 16:06:28 * twbbas goes and suggests that on the suggestion form Aug 13 16:06:37 swipe a card down on the screen and have it pop up on the other device Aug 13 16:07:15 twbbas: swipe-to-share would be so neat Aug 13 16:07:17 make it so Aug 13 16:07:29 and arguably doesn't need the T2S coils Aug 13 16:07:43 and if you have more than 1 device paired to it, have a popup appear when you swipe down Aug 13 16:07:49 to select which device Aug 13 16:08:00 yes, this Aug 13 16:08:15 even set a default device to share with Aug 13 16:10:08 I'd like to see more about the germboy status Aug 13 16:10:29 WHA? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/touch2share.html Aug 13 16:10:31 since when?? Aug 13 16:11:02 Tibfib: you mean it's existence? Aug 13 16:11:11 that page Aug 13 16:11:14 , yes Aug 13 16:11:22 a couple weeks? Aug 13 16:11:27 twtomcat tweeted it Aug 13 16:11:34 must have missedi t Aug 13 16:11:57 although that page certainly doesn't indicate "Tap To Pair" functionaliry Aug 13 16:12:28 I'd like to know more about the pairing side, because that has big implications for, say, switching which device is playing music Aug 13 16:13:25 man, the inter-device interaction thing is going to be sweet, I need to figure out a way to get a pre3 Aug 13 16:13:39 twbbas: there should be fixed Aug 13 16:14:40 imagine setting a tea timer on a TP, T2Sing a pre3, and walking away with your still brewing mug of tea Aug 13 16:15:07 ahahaha the CAPTCHA on the Palm feature request page is "wrong" Aug 13 16:15:58 summatusmentis: I still want to have games interact with it. Like touch the phones to the TP to pair it for that game of Scrabble or something. Aug 13 16:16:23 a $2500 game of Scrabble Aug 13 16:16:33 twbbas: like "join the game", and have your personal tiles show up on your phones? Aug 13 16:16:37 yes Aug 13 16:16:42 the Scrabble app for iPhone and iPad do that Aug 13 16:16:45 or your hand of cards Aug 13 16:16:46 but you can't just touch them Aug 13 16:16:48 :) Aug 13 16:16:58 well, iPhone/iPad is probably cloud backed right? Aug 13 16:17:07 you probably just sign into the room Aug 13 16:17:11 right Aug 13 16:17:38 feature request sent for "Swipe-to-Share" Aug 13 16:18:07 did you put that in the forums? or using a form? Aug 13 16:18:24 I submitted a feature request for flickr using some form somewhere Aug 13 16:18:34 haven't heard _anything_ Aug 13 16:18:36 used the request form Aug 13 16:18:44 they said they rarely contact people that submit stuff Aug 13 16:19:50 oh, well, at least it's normal not to hear anything Aug 13 16:20:03 so, the interesting part, to me, about T2S is that it's not centralized Aug 13 16:20:14 it's purely done between devices Aug 13 16:20:21 not devices & 3rd party Aug 13 16:20:35 which makes it better Aug 13 16:20:48 exactly Aug 13 16:20:56 and more versatile,in some ways Aug 13 16:21:19 * twbbas is gonna post about Swipe2Share in WOR forums Aug 13 16:21:59 I really want to see what webOS on a real computer looks like Aug 13 16:22:19 NomNomNom RC 2 sent out Aug 13 16:46:26 Clarification on @germboy's tweet: https://twitter.com/#!/germboy/status/102416954945581056 Aug 13 16:46:36 You can call the T2S service by itself without touching Aug 13 16:51:59 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/idea-swipe-to-share.516/ Aug 13 16:52:04 My Swipe-to-Share idea Aug 13 16:56:24 Tibfib: The tour looks nice but I'd like to have a back button to go to the previous image Aug 13 16:56:37 U NO GET BACK BUTTON Aug 13 16:56:44 maybe. Aug 13 16:56:52 I also was confused when I loaded it because I tried to slide left/right to scroll (since it said to) and it moved onto the next part of the tour Aug 13 16:56:58 It took me a second to realize it wasn't interactive Aug 13 16:57:51 yeah Aug 13 16:57:54 I can buy that Aug 13 16:58:06 I dunno about a back button, there's not really a consistent place to put one Aug 13 16:58:12 yeah =\ Aug 13 17:23:13 Hey all Aug 13 17:28:57 twbbas_: ping Aug 13 17:33:05 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/beta-forum.518/ Aug 13 17:42:07 PatrickC: here Aug 13 17:42:11 not for long though Aug 13 17:42:47 Hi guys. Aug 13 17:43:03 I was thinking about getting TouchPad, since it's so cheap now. Aug 13 17:43:17 I only nead one question answered - is there some good SSH client? Aug 13 17:45:28 klausa: there's openSSH in Preware Aug 13 17:45:55 What's preware? Aug 13 17:46:17 thats not a ssh client like he is asking though Aug 13 17:46:27 Oh, something like Cydia. Aug 13 17:46:27 klausa, there is no nice gui ssh client app yet Aug 13 17:46:35 you can install xterm and openssh though Aug 13 17:46:40 PuffTheMagic: I don't actually care about nice gui. Aug 13 17:46:52 If it's good enough I can use screen with it, I'm fine. Aug 13 17:48:10 So, things like ^A are easy to input? Aug 13 17:48:10 its xterm ;) Aug 13 17:49:06 with the vkb ya Aug 13 17:49:08 and also with bt Aug 13 17:49:42 Well, BT keyboard kind of defeats the purpose, I could grab my MBP along. Aug 13 17:49:59 And again, what's vkb ;)? Aug 13 17:49:59 there is a vkb though Aug 13 17:50:04 virtual keyboard Aug 13 17:50:18 Ah. Aug 13 17:51:06 Okay, thanks for answers! Aug 13 17:51:42 Hopefully we'll see again if I'll buy TouchPad. Aug 13 17:51:48 See ya guys :)! Aug 13 18:37:03 Lol.. I got an email about being a beta tester for new apple products based on my facebook profile.. Aug 13 18:37:18 I don't have my fb profile under that email haha Aug 13 18:38:53 what's a good terminal app for the touchpad? Aug 13 18:39:08 (apologies if this is a bad channel for this, still getting a handle on the webos ecosystem) Aug 13 18:49:30 @rtyler try xterm with xexutah and servers. Aug 13 18:50:01 I've had this device lses than 24 hours, is xexutah in preware? Aug 13 18:50:10 yes. Aug 13 18:50:17 * rtyler fires up preware Aug 13 18:50:35 I'm a Maemo refugee, I'm hoping WebOS fills my Linux device niche ;) Aug 13 18:50:51 me too. :-) Aug 13 18:51:01 Hey all Aug 13 18:51:06 xecutah is the app name, sorry Aug 13 18:51:18 AndyBear: do you know which feed xexutah is in? not finding it by default Aug 13 18:51:39 oh but will need a ext3 partion. Aug 13 18:51:40 rtyler: testing Aug 13 18:52:25 AndyBear: that scares me a little bit :P Aug 13 18:52:46 The ext3fs, or testing? :) Aug 13 18:52:59 if you had a maemo device before it should not be to bad. Aug 13 18:53:25 look up meta-doctor on webos-internals.org Aug 13 18:54:30 in the make file you can remove a comment to create a ext3 portion. of course meta-doctor will reset the whole device so you should have a backup of everything Aug 13 18:55:26 what maemo device did you have ? I had the n800 and the n900 Aug 13 18:56:35 n900 Aug 13 18:56:53 I'm deathly afraid of damaging this fancy TouchPad though, which is why meta-doctor is the scary ;) Aug 13 18:57:49 the webOS devices are pretty brick resistant. Aug 13 18:58:53 of course something could always go wrong, but I haven't heard of permanently bricked touchpad. Aug 13 18:58:55 Adora! I just finished true google reader sorting in nomnomnom Aug 13 18:59:04 =] Aug 13 18:59:11 tyvm Aug 13 18:59:24 woooooo got veer support into wild Aug 13 18:59:27 n* Aug 13 18:59:53 Adora: who do I talk to about getting featured in the catalog and/or pivot? Aug 13 18:59:58 me Aug 13 19:00:06 Adora: so hi Aug 13 19:00:19 hi Aug 13 19:00:42 How can I get featured in the catalog and/or pivot? Aug 13 19:00:49 submit an app Aug 13 19:00:56 and you will be considered Aug 13 19:01:13 I have heard of devs requesting it, is that not true? Aug 13 19:01:18 <--- doesn't take well to feature begging Aug 13 19:01:19 AndyBear: are there any other decent terminal apps that don't require such shenanigans? (somehow SDLTerminal doesn't want to install from PreWare) Aug 13 19:01:38 Adora: begging is a little harsh... Aug 13 19:01:46 well, it comes across that way Aug 13 19:01:51 not accusing you of it Aug 13 19:02:11 sure, I just thought you pretty much had to ask Aug 13 19:02:23 I keep a list of all the apps I consider "good" Aug 13 19:02:28 Tibfib, keep digging Aug 13 19:02:31 app review team sees everything Aug 13 19:02:46 Adora: okay good to know Aug 13 19:02:57 Tibfib: Look at @webospivot on twitter. They had an email to send to in order to "nominate" an app for Pivot. Aug 13 19:03:03 Look ~2 weeks ago Aug 13 19:03:24 lots of devs say in their notes to the reviewer "I request that you consider my app for feature placement" Aug 13 19:03:39 well gee, thank you so much for bringing that possibility to my attention! Aug 13 19:03:45 Adora: haha. Aug 13 19:03:45 it's insulting, really Aug 13 19:03:47 rtyler: I think you can install optware, that will create a loopback partion. I think the xserver and xterm work there too. Aug 13 19:03:58 but to be fair, how you get featured doesn't seem to be super clear. Aug 13 19:04:12 you get featured by making a great app Aug 13 19:04:17 just my 2 cents, I won't bother you now that I know. Aug 13 19:04:40 dang, this is a small screen http://t.co/ojx9wTI Aug 13 19:04:41 pivot has opportunities for all kinds of apps, it's more what fits the story Aug 13 19:04:46 I actually ahve optware already installed Aug 13 19:04:52 twbbas: that looks more like from users Aug 13 19:05:00 otherwise I'd do it. Aug 13 19:05:06 Tibfib: Got the link to the tweet? Aug 13 19:05:08 yeah Aug 13 19:05:22 apps that are universal or especially unique have higher placement opportunities Aug 13 19:06:01 universal like "the best" twitter or rss app Aug 13 19:06:26 the best worst name? Aug 13 19:06:26 rtyler: then just install xecutah and xterm from preware, I am about 80% sure it will work. and if not you will not damage anything. Aug 13 19:06:29 nomnomnom Aug 13 19:06:42 nomnomnom is a cute name =] Aug 13 19:06:56 heh Aug 13 19:07:06 got a link to the testing feed? Aug 13 19:07:16 the genius behind "impostah" and "govnah" came up with it Aug 13 19:08:01 Adora: has there been a blog post on getting featured and I just missed it? Aug 13 19:08:10 no Aug 13 19:08:22 closest there's been was in my "meet the team" post Aug 13 19:08:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 13 19:09:13 point being that you don't have to beg for us to notice you. we notice everyone and have processes to get attention to apps that are worthy Aug 13 19:09:31 right now we need more outlets, but we're working on that Aug 13 19:11:38 s/beg/ask (sorry, like I said the whole practice gets on my nerves) Aug 13 19:11:52 I understand. Sorry! Aug 13 19:12:18 no no, thanks for the soapbox =] Aug 13 19:12:39 hah Aug 13 19:13:35 AndyBear: wish me luck.. :-! Aug 13 19:14:25 rtyler: it will work. and welcome to webOS :-) Aug 13 19:15:09 maybe also cranky because I haven't had breakfast Aug 13 19:15:25 no boy in the house to bring my daily espresso in bed Aug 13 19:16:03 thanks Aug 13 19:18:26 AndyBear: unlike maemo, this xterminal doesn't have some useful shortkeys for ctrl/tab/esc/etc :/ Aug 13 19:19:16 rtyler: patches welcome :) Aug 13 19:19:30 please do not feature my app, Adora Aug 13 19:19:40 funkatron: TOO BAD Aug 13 19:19:41 actually, please do not feature nomnomnom Aug 13 19:19:43 FUCK Aug 13 19:19:50 we're going to feature your app, and you're going to like it! Aug 13 19:19:53 yeah, that is a issue. I agree. Aug 13 19:20:11 how to get featured on webOS 101: be the only twitter app Aug 13 19:20:59 funkatron: DARN YOUUUU Aug 13 19:21:10 AndyBear: since you're a fellow maemo user, you ever gotten the n900 Mobile Hotspot app to work with webos? Aug 13 19:21:20 somehow the TP doesn't ever pick up the wireless network Aug 13 19:22:20 rtyler: no, and it won't work. the n900 creates an adhoc network. those are not supported on webos Aug 13 19:22:42 ah, bummer Aug 13 19:23:44 time to figure out how to build some non-JS apps then Aug 13 19:23:51 what network are you on? the veer makes a good sidekick for the to. and you can use the hotspot Aug 13 19:24:18 t-mobile Aug 13 19:24:31 I just dropped $500 on a fancy smancy tablet, not sure if I need a new phone just yet :P Aug 13 19:24:47 not that I don't love spending all my monies ;) Aug 13 19:25:04 the veer is only 180 euros right now, unlocked. Aug 13 19:25:18 so that's what...500 USD? :P Aug 13 19:25:31 (heh heh, it's funny because our economy sucks, AMIRITE?) Aug 13 19:25:38 :( Aug 13 19:26:22 OH LOOK AT THIS a new version of nomnomnom in my inbox =] Aug 13 19:26:42 this is actually my first time using it since it got all pretty Aug 13 19:27:09 sorry, so that you are connected to a server in the UK. assumed you are from there... my mistake. Aug 13 19:27:35 so = saw Aug 13 19:28:08 Adora: feel like sharing a screenshot? :D Aug 13 19:28:15 AndyBear: freenode, how does it work! Aug 13 19:29:12 I got all pretty for you and you never said anything Aug 13 19:30:33 shut up and get back in the kitchen Aug 13 19:31:23 need to go. bye Aug 13 19:31:48 cheers Aug 13 19:32:57 Tibfib: FOUND A BUG Aug 13 19:32:58 * fxspec06_ wonders if the best poker app will be featured =p Aug 13 19:33:24 Adora: that's not unusual, it's Tibfib_ Aug 13 19:33:30 ; ) Aug 13 19:36:42 Adora: remember that time you said you hated my coffee? http://gim.ie/n2G Aug 13 19:37:44 omg Aug 13 19:38:03 that guy would have been ballsmacked the second he put his finger in my face Aug 13 19:39:13 haha Aug 13 19:42:03 funkatron: ps: gimme bar appears to be getting awesome Aug 13 19:42:52 Adora: email me if you want an account Aug 13 19:43:09 and yeah, we're pretty pumped. Aug 13 19:43:42 if there were an option to import my tumblr posts, I would start using it right now Aug 13 19:43:48 you already gave me one <3 Aug 13 19:44:15 oh right on Aug 13 19:44:43 we could do that; we have a full API. we're talking about making it a button-press kinda deal tho' Aug 13 19:45:01 did you know you can export your stuff to Dropbox now? Yep. Aug 13 19:45:01 * rtyler wonders what other cool applications he's missing Aug 13 19:45:06 yeah, just saw that Aug 13 19:45:31 was about to msg you my appreciation, don't know how much of this is public =] Aug 13 19:46:38 what about embedding / custom design / url / etc? Aug 13 19:46:55 you can talk about anything that is there in the app now. we just limit accounts so we don't get overwhelmed Aug 13 19:47:35 if there will be a way for me to duplicate http://log.lisabrewster.com, you can take my firstborn Aug 13 19:47:39 that's probably stuff that will come; we're building up that base, then we'll probably look at stuff like that. Embedding tho would be pretty easy; some kind of JS widget that hooks into the API. you can do it now if you're a coder type Aug 13 19:47:45 (pardon the design issues with that link atm) Aug 13 19:48:52 nah, I getcha. I am not 100% sure if we'll try to be Tumblr 2.0, but we'll certainly be a platform you could build off of to do that, and more. Aug 13 19:49:34 Right now we're all about you being able to collect and organize your content, without it being locked into the system Aug 13 19:49:50 I dunno if I ever made you read the article on Orbital Content our founder wrote for ALA Aug 13 19:49:52 which is honorable and awesome Aug 13 19:50:04 you didn't. you should have. =] Aug 13 19:50:09 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/orbital-content/ Aug 13 19:51:53 1000x yes Aug 13 19:52:37 yeah, the dropbox thing was sort of a PoC for that. you can dump all your content + metadata out automatically Aug 13 19:52:49 we'll do lots more stuff like that Aug 13 19:53:06 and this orbital content is a multi-stage process Aug 13 19:53:26 there's the "take this webpage I want to read and save it for later" Aug 13 19:53:44 then there's the "clip out my favorite quote from this article and display it on my website" Aug 13 19:53:49 yeah mos def Aug 13 19:53:53 webOS misses step 2 completely right now Aug 13 19:54:06 platform limitation, I hear Aug 13 19:54:07 Adora: after a bit of web-stalking, I'm curious if you made it up to the SF Nightowls when some of the HP folks showed up and demoed some node.js stuff Aug 13 19:54:23 rtyler: I did not, unfortunately Aug 13 19:54:36 I've got a bunch of operational stuff on my plate and don't get out much Aug 13 19:54:44 that's a hard one to do. I don't think you can even select arbitrary text on webOS Aug 13 19:54:55 maybe you should hire some programmers or something Aug 13 19:54:58 funkatron: exactly Aug 13 19:55:01 Adora: boooooo Aug 13 19:55:17 kindle does it, but I don't know how Aug 13 19:55:19 Adora: what'shisface that showed off the debian chroot on his touchpad is part of the reason I actually purchased one Aug 13 19:55:22 can't do it in a browser, either Aug 13 19:55:23 being a silly linux lover Aug 13 19:55:55 rtyler: what'swhoseface? Aug 13 19:56:07 text selection is painful Aug 13 19:56:13 I don't remember names at all unfortunately, taller guy, glasses, really bright Aug 13 19:56:24 the other guys presenting weren't who I'd consider "hackers" as much Aug 13 19:56:33 Adora: we (fictivekin) do this conference: http://brooklynbeta.org/2011 You should go sometime Aug 13 19:56:38 rtyler: no clue =] Aug 13 19:57:16 I miss conferences Aug 13 19:57:17 NOW GO APPROVE MY APP Aug 13 19:57:28 Adora: what about the webos meetups that allegedly occur in SF, any of your crew show up for those? Aug 13 19:57:37 this one is kind of a "design" conference, so girls show up too Aug 13 19:57:42 some things write their own and kinda 'cheat' in text selection by putting a around every single word (kindle) or every single character (TIDE/ACE). Aug 13 19:58:11 rwatkins: omg srs?? Aug 13 19:58:18 Adora: srs. Aug 13 19:58:19 rwatkins: let's just make the element content-editable Aug 13 19:58:33 that's why the kindle app didn't ship right away. "needs more spans" Aug 13 19:58:41 hahahahahhahaha Aug 13 19:58:43 funkatron: you can actually do that, but webOS then gives you a vbk if you like it or not. Aug 13 19:58:55 rwatkins: indeed. alas. Aug 13 19:59:59 to enable it in Paper Mache, I'm half tempted to parse the Instapaper responses and wrap all the words in a span. Aug 13 20:00:11 but I feel that down that path lies .. madness. Aug 13 20:00:24 particularly if you dont control the content generation to begin with. Aug 13 20:01:24 funny how Amazon shipped a web version of Kindel and a webOS version of Kindle at .. just about the same time. Aug 13 20:01:30 yeah, that's Bat Country, dude Aug 13 20:01:31 rwatkins: it will probably be a long time before it gets any easier, though Aug 13 20:02:17 Is the Kindle app built on Enyo? I've never poked around at the source Aug 13 20:02:22 I MEAN NOT THAT I WOULD DO THAT Aug 13 20:02:34 Adora: so ya, its a the top of the feature queue, but often falls into the "very hard" category, rather than the "easy, yea, i'll do that" catagory. Aug 13 20:03:00 VirtualList scrollToRow(), please Aug 13 20:03:11 will trade feature placement for s =] Aug 13 20:03:15 hahah Aug 13 20:03:22 ha Aug 13 20:03:45 hmmm. I wonder if you could toggle a mode where it wraps everything so you can select it Aug 13 20:04:05 problem being, I guess, that a big DOM change wouldn't be pretty non-performant. maybe. Aug 13 20:04:14 meh Aug 13 20:04:30 Tibfib_: You sent Adora nomnomnom?!?! I am sad. :( Aug 13 20:04:39 i could possibly figure out what text is currently into the view and shove it all into a RichText or something, but again, likley to break shit. Aug 13 20:04:42 sad for Adora? Aug 13 20:04:49 totally Aug 13 20:04:50 rwatkins: right, yeah Aug 13 20:05:18 need to not screw up
 formatted and otehr stuff.
Aug 13 20:06:01  right. so ACE is DOM-based? hmmm. I guess if it works…
Aug 13 20:06:02  but hey, featured status and I'd be raking in the $ just like SpazHD.
Aug 13 20:06:23  I make 70% of 0 every month!
Aug 13 20:06:26  OH WAIT
Aug 13 20:06:31  goddamn open source
Aug 13 20:06:39  haha
Aug 13 20:06:44  hey, I can still sell it
Aug 13 20:06:44  I take the full 100%.
Aug 13 20:06:46  I just don't
Aug 13 20:07:02  beauty of a one man team, I keep *all* the profits.
Aug 13 20:07:06  boom\
Aug 13 20:07:58  I probably should have tested this on a device before I submitted it. OH WELL
Aug 13 20:08:27  top of feature queue now anyway is Pre3 goodness.
Aug 13 20:08:35  oh yeah
Aug 13 20:08:40  now if say anyone had a device to test such a thing on ...
Aug 13 20:08:44  hmmm
Aug 13 20:08:54  I guess I should make Spaz on Mojo fill the vert space
Aug 13 20:08:58  oh yeah
Aug 13 20:09:06  if you were a TouchPad reviewer you got one 8)
Aug 13 20:10:00  Pardon my walking in mid conversation, but which app??!!!????
Aug 13 20:10:07  i want one with a fixed up webkit and enyo.  not one one with just NFC enabled. :)
Aug 13 20:10:25  dkirker: you'll need to be more specific I htink
Aug 13 20:10:29  indeed
Aug 13 20:10:43  funkatron: Spaz, Tibfib: nomnomnom, rwatkins: Paper Mache
Aug 13 20:11:31  gotta run, bbl
Aug 13 20:11:44  have to say tho, sliding views damn useful for converting your app for a pre3 display.
Aug 13 20:11:49  hi, can i ask some questions regarding crosscompiling and PDK? this should be the right place i think
Aug 13 20:11:51  rwatkins: haha! Thanks. :P
Aug 13 20:12:21  I have played with *TWO* of those apps... But until Tibfib_ .... :P
Aug 13 20:12:51  git clone nomnomnom.git; palm-run nomnomnom
Aug 13 20:13:22 * rtyler just ran metadoctor
Aug 13 20:13:25  :-!
Aug 13 20:13:37  my first question: is there a difference between the WebOS Internals PDK and the PalmPDK from https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#linux ?
Aug 13 20:13:39  antidose: yes, this would be the place, but I have no experience with PDK apps
Aug 13 20:14:25  OMG!!! Tibfib_ has it in git!!!
Aug 13 20:14:29 * dkirker downloads
Aug 13 20:14:33  <3
Aug 13 20:14:38  Adora: status of uiRevision: 2 issue?
Aug 13 20:15:09  but theoretical there could be someone in the channel i hope
Aug 13 20:15:50  haeffb:  same
Aug 13 20:16:00  it will be fixed with full fat package support
Aug 13 20:16:02  consistency is nice.
Aug 13 20:17:39  the thing is that i downloaded and installed the SDK_PDK as deb file and installed it on my ubuntu 10.04 box, after that i followed this wiki article in parts http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK but i have problems using scratchbox2
Aug 13 20:18:40  antidose: the webosinternals PDK is likely supported by #webos-internals channel, but the HP PDK you can always ask way in the webOS dev forums.
Aug 13 20:18:42  my problem is also described in the wiki, but they say that i should update qemu and there is no update in the 10.04 repositorys
Aug 13 20:18:52  hm
Aug 13 20:18:58  webos-internals docs are often .. out of date.
Aug 13 20:19:05  hm okay
Aug 13 20:19:25  old stuff collects, wiki feel free to edit. at HP atleast someone gets paid the $ to clean stuff up.
Aug 13 20:21:01  bbl
Aug 13 20:22:25  and what would happen if i use the webos internals pdk for my work and give the resulting app to HP ?
Aug 13 20:22:45  are they accepting apps written with the webos internals pdk?
Aug 13 20:23:06  Adora: So... Uh... I am now a bit terrified of Google Reader... Um. I went to the "Explore" section, and it recommended that I follow some thing with "Vamp Nadine" in it (image search for it...)
Aug 13 20:23:42  antidose: Depends. I am not to familiar with the webos internals PDK, but they may be linking with libraries that are a no no.
Aug 13 20:24:08  dkirker: apparently google knows you better than you know yourself.
Aug 13 20:24:14  >.<
Aug 13 20:24:54  haha, these look like those chicks from Scott Pilgram, the vampire ones that dance around the first evil ex.
Aug 13 20:25:14  dkirker:  it is looking into your soul and making recommendations based on what it finds
Aug 13 20:25:51  hm okay, thanks guys, i will try to get the HP PDK working with scratchbox2
Aug 13 20:27:07  This is mortifying. Stop Google!@
Aug 13 20:31:27  !
Aug 13 20:38:04  Tibfib_: Notifications work!!!
Aug 13 20:40:14  think 4GB is enough for an ext3 partition?
Aug 13 20:41:12  rtyler: depends on yoru use case. i did 8gb but probably could have gone with 4 okay
Aug 13 20:43:50  4G it is!
Aug 13 20:44:03  time to re-doctor this device *again*
Aug 13 20:44:04  xD
Aug 13 20:44:27  this is pretty smooth compared to the nightmare of re-flashing a maemo or (god forbid) an openmoko device
Aug 13 20:59:47 * rtyler starts digging through the pdk-samples
Aug 13 20:59:51  we have the best homebrew crew ever
Aug 13 21:05:13  yup
Aug 13 21:05:48  after the abuse from Nokia, I'm willing to give HP/Palm a try ;)
Aug 13 21:07:08  hey gotta try everything at least once.
Aug 13 21:07:24  besides apple
Aug 13 21:07:39  well, I used to be a Mac developer
Aug 13 21:07:51  until Steve told us at iPhone launch "there's no SDK, just create webapps!"
Aug 13 21:08:36  shame on you! just kidding. developing for it's okay if you want to. gotta make money, right?
Aug 13 21:08:55  and if you genuinely like their products be my guest. i am just one of those haters hah
Aug 13 21:09:06  webapps are first-class-citizens in webos
Aug 13 21:09:06  rtyler: you didn't go back once they released a real SDK?
Aug 13 21:09:25  pakl: no, there's too many chains on that platform, drives me nuts
Aug 13 21:09:47  Cocoa is such a fantastic framework too, such a shame
Aug 13 21:10:17  rtyler: agreed, it is a shame
Aug 13 21:11:31  Any word on whether Enyo will be supported by other devices too?
Aug 13 21:11:53  palm pre3 will support enyo
Aug 13 21:11:59  hah wow
Aug 13 21:12:01  hp pre3
Aug 13 21:12:45  same thing
Aug 13 21:13:21  the pre3 was in palm's pipeline right?
Aug 13 21:14:03  idk
Aug 13 21:14:15  I think Enyo was announced right before I got my Pre 2... kind paralyzed me from developing in Mojo
Aug 13 21:14:29  kind of, that is
Aug 13 21:14:34  wha'ts enyo again? fancy javascriptens? :/
Aug 13 21:14:41 * oil still works on mojo apps
Aug 13 21:15:09  oil: do you try them out on the touchpad at all?
Aug 13 21:15:19  yes
Aug 13 21:15:26  preware, govnah, etc all are mojo that work son the tp
Aug 13 21:15:44  mojo will still be around, on pre-/+/2/pixi for a long time
Aug 13 21:16:17  there isnt even been any info about when/if its coming to the pre3/veer
Aug 13 21:16:56  when what is coming?
Aug 13 21:17:02  They said the new phones/TP will support mojo for at least a year more but I bet it'll be a lot longer than that.
Aug 13 21:17:27  not to mention if there is no new device coming to sprinit
Aug 13 21:17:35  there will be a few people holding out on their 145 pre-
Aug 13 21:17:42  and 145 pixi
Aug 13 21:17:50  lol
Aug 13 21:17:51  like my Dad
Aug 13 21:18:04  he has a Sprint Pixi for another year and a half
Aug 13 21:18:14  same here
Aug 13 21:18:17  but me
Aug 13 21:18:44  oil: Is there any way to run mojo apps full screen on the touchpad?
Aug 13 21:18:57  yes
Aug 13 21:18:59  uirevision: 2
Aug 13 21:19:01  in the appinfo
Aug 13 21:19:03  BAM
Aug 13 21:19:07  !!
Aug 13 21:19:07  I have a launch pre- and I struggle with what provider I want to go to.  I wish sprint would carry it.
Aug 13 21:19:08  it's so simple
Aug 13 21:19:15  you'll need to fix your widths, etc, but its pretty simple
Aug 13 21:19:27  you need to add back buttons
Aug 13 21:19:38  search buttons anywhere you had "just type to filter"
Aug 13 21:19:57  hmmm... that is sounding interesting
Aug 13 21:20:49  mojo has a modelNameAscii i dont remember what exactly it is
Aug 13 21:21:16  but it will be"Touchpad"
Aug 13 21:21:20  and you just wrap things in if statements
Aug 13 21:22:16  oil: do you have any pointers to docs/blog postings on this approach?
Aug 13 21:23:18  idk of any docs or blog postings
Aug 13 21:23:28  you can check out the git repo for preware or govnah
Aug 13 21:23:35  and check out the most recent changes to see
Aug 13 21:23:42  oil: perfect
Aug 13 21:23:42  I bet there's something on the forums
Aug 13 21:23:43  somewhere...
Aug 13 21:23:57  or just look at someone else's source code  =]
Aug 13 21:24:03  someone should start up a "mojo forever" movement :)
Aug 13 21:24:10  http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/log/
Aug 13 21:26:21 * oil adds "Mojo Forever" tagline to preware :)
Aug 13 21:26:55  just a heads up to everyone....
Aug 13 21:27:14  make sure you have some sort of protective underwear on when you try out the next wIRC enyo beta
Aug 13 21:27:33  lol
Aug 13 21:28:04  haha
Aug 13 21:29:09  we still got a lot of stuff to implement before we toss it in the testing feed though :)
Aug 13 21:29:30  its working awesome with bip though right now
Aug 13 21:30:01  i can join a chan on my desktop and it shows up in wirc properly
Aug 13 21:31:48  ah, thats why you wanted to move the channel object creation haha
Aug 13 21:32:01  maybe you should fix that in mojo for yourself as well :)
Aug 13 21:32:04   well it IS how it should be
Aug 13 21:32:10  yeah
Aug 13 21:32:26  ok, brb for real this time
Aug 13 21:32:33  gonna make sure bouncers work from the ground up this time
Aug 13 21:32:40  instead of half assing shit afterwards
Aug 13 21:37:17  my thing is, since its so simple to convert from Mojo to Enyo, why isn't uirevision set to 2 by default
Aug 13 21:38:38  carc, simple != automatic
Aug 13 21:39:47  I know..
Aug 13 21:39:58  well thats why its not default
Aug 13 21:40:24  I was just wishing
Aug 13 21:40:44  you need to wish for devs to be less lazy
Aug 13 21:44:39  Adora, enyo def makes developing for webos enjoyable
Aug 13 21:44:54  mojo made me want to stab my eyes out
Aug 13 21:45:51  these mojo apps on the TP make me want to stab my eyes out too ;)
Aug 13 21:47:38  fullscreen wIRC-enyo looks so nice
Aug 13 21:55:22  is the an update coming for TPs webos in near future?
Aug 13 21:55:36  there was one on the 2nd of Aug I think
Aug 13 21:57:24  Any Enyo experts around?
Aug 13 21:58:24  No?
Aug 13 21:58:26  none of those around hre
Aug 13 21:58:31  Hah :)
Aug 13 21:58:34  what do you think this is, a webos channel?
Aug 13 21:58:39  pfft
Aug 13 21:58:52  I'm trying to decide which route to take with Enyo code completion
Aug 13 21:59:07  take the shortest route
Aug 13 21:59:14  Dijkstra told me it's better
Aug 13 21:59:14  no completion is the best completion
Aug 13 21:59:41  Hey, it's pretty cool to type "enyo." and have every kind appear in a list
Aug 13 22:00:09  Or to create a new button and know that you could set caption, hot, down, etc.
Aug 13 22:00:12  how is that gonna work when you extend a kind?
Aug 13 22:00:40  Well, the really tricky part is the way that Enyo maintains object definitions, and actual object instances
Aug 13 22:00:46  In most languages, those are one in the same
Aug 13 22:00:51  ...but Enyo works with a factory
Aug 13 22:01:09  Currently I'm providing completion for both, sort of
Aug 13 22:01:22  for what editor?
Aug 13 22:01:24  But that isn't including stuff like "setContent" instead of content
Aug 13 22:01:32  FlashDevelop, TextMate, gedit, etc.
Aug 13 22:02:10  I'm trying to decide if the route I've taken is a good one to stick with, or if I should actually create two kinds of completion for each object
Aug 13 22:02:14  kind, rather
Aug 13 22:02:36  So like "enyo.ButtonDef" would provide completion for all the published properties, events, etc
Aug 13 22:02:53  Then "enyo.Button" would have completion for setters, getters, methods, etc.
Aug 13 22:03:14  Or if I leave it the way I have it, and assume that you know that you can't set "caption" directly, but may have to use the magical "setCaption" method
Aug 13 22:06:16  Here's a couple screenshots:
Aug 13 22:06:18  http://t.co/WrqV8bz
Aug 13 22:06:29  http://t.co/Q4nreSI
Aug 13 22:06:37  http://t.co/eSI8x1e
Aug 13 22:13:04  I guess I'll figure it out
Aug 13 22:23:07  so who do I go bother to get my $50 app catalog coupon code?
Aug 13 22:54:21  I feel bad for the person that just made the Jonathan's Card app
Aug 13 22:54:33  it was released like, yesterday? and now Jonathan's Card doesn't exist as of tonight.
Aug 13 22:55:00  ouch
Aug 13 22:55:40  that's a shame
Aug 13 22:55:44  It sure is
Aug 13 23:00:29  rwatkins_, should be in your email
Aug 13 23:00:34  and on your profile
Aug 13 23:00:43  sign into the website to manage your profile
Aug 13 23:01:08  i am liking the precentral article that just posted
Aug 13 23:01:36  it is is another no pre3 on sprint bitching article?
Aug 13 23:01:37  PuffTheMagic: ya, not in my profile.
Aug 13 23:01:37  I need to make some frickin apps
Aug 13 23:02:02  its a "with free money given out, app sales go up" article.
Aug 13 23:02:10  haha
Aug 13 23:02:42  there are no units on the y asix
Aug 13 23:02:46  what a shit graph
Aug 13 23:02:50  axis
Aug 13 23:03:03  ya, you really think he's going to give actual sales numbers?
Aug 13 23:03:19  well its meaning less as i tis
Aug 13 23:03:20  yeah that wouldn't fly
Aug 13 23:03:49  I'm sure its rooted at zero and linear for the sales
Aug 13 23:04:02  and...
Aug 13 23:04:03  so .. its useful for trends, less useful for actual $.
Aug 13 23:04:05  the max could be 5
Aug 13 23:04:07  or 5000
Aug 13 23:04:08  indeed
Aug 13 23:04:15  usless
Aug 13 23:04:33  why not look it up int the catalog to get a better idea
Aug 13 23:04:57  that would imply actually care about his sales #
Aug 13 23:05:01  useless if you want to know how much $ a developer is making.  useful it you want to see what events drive app sales and how much they affect it.
Aug 13 23:05:11  well you want the graph to be labeled so you must care
Aug 13 23:05:40  PuffTheMagic: Y U NO LIKE MY PHOTOS?
Aug 13 23:05:44  well even if the units were removed but some sort of numbers
Aug 13 23:05:49  we could get an idea of ratios
Aug 13 23:05:55  but we cant even do that
Aug 13 23:05:57  how would that do anything to add to it
Aug 13 23:06:08  So mentally put in 0-5 evenly spaced across the axis.
Aug 13 23:06:19  exactly rwatkins
Aug 13 23:06:33  I'm sure he didnt start the bottom off at "100" and go to "105" at the top.
Aug 13 23:06:36  doesnt help if I have to make up numbers
Aug 13 23:06:54  I think the point is to show that he is getting more downloads.
Aug 13 23:07:00  which the graph clearly proves.
Aug 13 23:07:02  wouldn;t have helped if he made up numbers
Aug 13 23:07:15  Tibfib_, hard to tell what im looking at from the 30pixel images
Aug 13 23:07:23  PuffTheMagic: of course :)
Aug 13 23:07:27  somebody tell me..., is it possible to use webOS without an Palm or whatever account?
Aug 13 23:07:32  there are no error bars either
Aug 13 23:07:34  I'll release real screenshots once I submit it
Aug 13 23:07:36  so again, it proves nothing
Aug 13 23:07:47  NIN101: You can bypass activation. What device?
Aug 13 23:08:03  let's say I am considering buying the veer.
Aug 13 23:08:30  NIN101: You wouldn't be able to use it as a real phone and wouldn't be able to download/buy apps but you could use the stock OS.
Aug 13 23:08:51  Wait, maybe you could use it as a phone
Aug 13 23:08:57  it proves sales went up about 5 times from previous month
Aug 13 23:08:57  not sure about that
Aug 13 23:09:14  thx.
Aug 13 23:09:55  My free app's downloads are up about 90% for the past week
Aug 13 23:10:17  As soon as the weekend sales started, I noticed the spike and it's kept up
Aug 13 23:10:55  err 190%?
Aug 13 23:11:00  whatever you get the point
Aug 13 23:11:42  went up 90% or is at 190% of previous downloads
Aug 13 23:11:53  was about to ask that^
Aug 13 23:11:55  that's pretty good to hear
Aug 13 23:12:18  kirksutton: Isn't that the same thing?
Aug 13 23:15:49  yeah. it wasn;t a question
Aug 13 23:16:31  or did you mean went up 190%?
Aug 13 23:16:38  nah I was right the first time
Aug 13 23:16:42  I got confused by myself
Aug 13 23:16:50  haha
Aug 13 23:17:00  too many multi-dimensional arrays
Aug 13 23:18:20  If the TouchPad Go comes out before Sept, that'd be amazing.
Aug 13 23:19:45  is there a US release date for the GSM one?
Aug 13 23:20:05  GSM TouchPad or GSM TouchPad Go?
Aug 13 23:20:19  being as it just went throught the fcc i don't see it coming out that soon. might be wrong though
Aug 13 23:20:20  They just said that the 4G TouchPad will be out in time for "back to school"
Aug 13 23:20:21  TouchPad non-Go
Aug 13 23:20:31  twbbas: thx
Aug 13 23:20:35  so I'd assume that means this month?
Aug 13 23:21:25  wondering what the release order / schedule is for the TouchPad 3G, Pre3 TouchPad Go.  -- assuming its that order
Aug 13 23:21:38  It probably is in that order
Aug 13 23:22:36  I can see the 4G TouchPad coming this month, Pre 3 next, and TouchPad Go sometime before
Aug 13 23:22:39  Christmas
Aug 13 23:22:40  HP Live chat support isnt very "live" takes them ~ 5 min to respond each time answer their question about my app catalog code.
Aug 13 23:23:32  twbbas: with Impostah you can do all those things without phone activation
Aug 13 23:24:05  rwhitby-pre: Without a Palm profile?
Aug 13 23:24:23  you can creat the palm profile over wifi
Aug 13 23:24:48  rwhitby-pre: That guy wanted to know if he could use a Veer without a Palm profile.
Aug 13 23:25:08  I assumed he was talking about phone activation
Aug 13 23:25:22  He could have been. I just thought he didn't want to make a profile.
Aug 13 23:25:33  but looking back, you are right.
Aug 13 23:26:52  why he would have a problem with creating a profile over wifi, dunno. perhaps he assumed he wouldn't be able to.
Aug 13 23:27:03  Yeah, probably.
Aug 13 23:28:56  Why do the iPhone 5 rumors contradict each other every day?
Aug 13 23:29:25  rwatkins: what's this about text selection by wrapping words with  s?
Aug 13 23:29:55  are there any decent epub readers? pReader is slow as molasses (trying the native port now)
Aug 13 23:31:48  Tibfib_: you there!  with the face!  I never got my nomnomnom email!
Aug 13 23:31:57  halfhalo: I totally sent it to you
Aug 13 23:32:02  lemme try again
Aug 13 23:33:19  halfhalo sounds like zoidburg
Aug 13 23:34:23  halfhalo: sent
Aug 13 23:34:28  lulz
Aug 13 23:35:06  gots its
Aug 13 23:36:54  ooof, pReader Native is that legacy mojo stuff that looks like a little phone on the touchpad
Aug 13 23:36:57 * rtyler gags
Aug 13 23:37:32  Tibfib, this is a proper teaser http://ompldr.org/vOXcwNg/wirc-enyo_2011-13-08_193214.png
Aug 13 23:37:58  hahaah, thanks for the tip
Aug 13 23:38:12  lol
Aug 13 23:38:12  I didn't know there was a webos-internals-ops channel
Aug 13 23:39:44  neither did i
Aug 13 23:40:39  PuffTheMagic: I dunno... I liked Tibfib's teaser. :)
Aug 13 23:42:05  lol
Aug 13 23:42:43  lol fail
Aug 13 23:42:48  awww man
Aug 13 23:42:51 * Tibfib has no posting rights
Aug 13 23:42:56  lol
Aug 13 23:45:34 * rtyler pats himself on the back
Aug 13 23:45:46  successfully build, installed and ran the simple PDK demo app
Aug 13 23:45:58  nice job
Aug 13 23:46:26 * halfhalo is copying his music to his touchpad.  1 hour remaining…. uggg.
Aug 13 23:46:28  I'm not particularly fond of writing javascript, but there's not a whole lot of demos out there of non-game PDK apps AFAICT
Aug 13 23:46:49  rtyler: Have you tried using canvas?
Aug 13 23:47:19  as in, ?
Aug 13 23:47:27  its not like half these songs will work on the TP anywho…. but I'm to lazy to figure out which do and which don't
Aug 13 23:47:32  rtyler: Josh Marinacci at HP/Palm had a great presentation at OSCON on canvas. He put the presentation on his site: http://projects.joshy.org/presentations/HTML/CanvasDeepDive/presentation.html
Aug 13 23:48:13  call me a heretic, but I'm really not all that interested in writing HTML/JavaScript :/
Aug 13 23:48:25  Python, Ruby, or just plain old C is what makes me happay ;)
Aug 13 23:48:34  well webos lets you do what you want :)
Aug 13 23:50:12  the wording on dev.palm.com is such that the PDK is /intended/ for primarily game development though :\
Aug 13 23:50:29 * rtyler digs deeper
Aug 13 23:52:05  rtyler: FYI, WIDK apps can be submitted to app catalog, you just have to comply with the shared lib whitelist on submission
Aug 13 23:52:05  eh, you can make C bits and include them in Enyo
Aug 13 23:52:22  have a compiled PDK thing, and link it
Aug 13 23:52:39  WIDK?
Aug 13 23:52:48 * rtyler recognizes the handle "rwhitby" xD
Aug 13 23:52:50  rtyler: take a look at the Hello! app on git.webos-internals.org for examples of C and Node.JS services with Mojo and Enyo
Aug 13 23:53:36  qt apps! I could write some Qt!
Aug 13 23:54:42  rtyler: There are PDK apps that aren't games but it definitely is mainly used for games.
Aug 13 23:56:12  I think the reason is because games are pretty much the only apps portable from iOS and the majority of PDK games are ports.
Aug 13 23:58:04 * rtyler nods
Aug 13 23:59:01  wIRC looks like it might be good to dig into
Aug 13 23:59:02  s/PDK games/PDK apps
Aug 14 00:03:51  Hrm, I may yet be able to use QtNX on the tablet.
Aug 14 00:07:46 * halfhalo scares himself sometimes.  he is playing funkytown
Aug 14 00:10:24  You can definitely create C-based applications
Aug 14 00:10:28  Helps to have a widget set, though
Aug 14 00:10:44  I've built code completion for Enyo, because I didn't want to work with Javascript untyped
Aug 14 00:10:49  Takes too long :)
Aug 14 00:11:15  yeah, widgets are useful :D
Aug 14 00:12:39  I need some help with ideas on how to do scoring in my game
Aug 14 00:13:02  hey there singmajesty
Aug 14 00:13:18  It's a spot-the-difference game and the problem is that once you do the level, you know where all the differences are. I want to prevent the user from upping their score just by going in and finding all 4 differences immeadiately.
Aug 14 00:13:32  My current plan is to just lock them into their first score. Is there anything better?
Aug 14 00:14:18  Well, it looks like I'm a dbus fix (and Telstra fixing their device activation systems, grrr...) from being able to leave the laptop at home.
Aug 14 00:14:33  hey halfhalo
Aug 14 00:16:48  woot.  only 22 minutes till music is done copying to the TP.
Aug 14 00:17:35  Enyo is pretty cool when it works
Aug 14 00:17:48  Kind of infuriating when you wish it was designed differently
Aug 14 00:17:58  hah
Aug 14 00:17:59  But cool when you understand it
Aug 14 00:18:09  (and forgive the "magic" factor)
Aug 14 00:18:39  halfhalo: Heh, I did that last night along with a whole heap of work documents. At least it isn't as slow as copying it to a Pre.
Aug 14 00:18:41 * oil sometimes feels the need to kick the magic in the fa e
Aug 14 00:18:48  face*
Aug 14 00:19:09  If you ask me, and I know that no one did...
Aug 14 00:19:18  It would be great if Enyo worked using prototypes under the hood
Aug 14 00:19:28  But provided the JSON blob syntax as an option
Aug 14 00:19:43  Not sure that it would all work the same that way, but that would make me a lot happier
Aug 14 00:19:49  Hendikins: hah.
Aug 14 00:20:33  ...but I know I'm trying to turn Enyo into a standard class/prototype inheritance model, when it really is a factory model
Aug 14 00:20:46  the touchpad is a device i would not mind listening music to.  its still not as nice as my zune hd (but thats a dedicated player), but its better than any other mobile devices i have, including the winphone
Aug 14 00:21:11  Is the music player nice? For some reason I've never loaded music on it to try it out
Aug 14 00:21:54  singmajesty: its decent, though i prefer the hp play app for some reason.  but the actual sound output is better than most devices
Aug 14 00:22:47  if you are going to be playing from the internal speakers i suggest audiophile hd
Aug 14 00:23:01  turn up volume and drop the bass a little and you can get loud and clear sound
Aug 14 00:23:08  halfhalo: I'd say I could use this as a substitute for my laptop at work on days where I'm actually doing train running. An NX client is the only thing that is stopping me.
Aug 14 00:23:49  Hey, how do you get swipe events in Enyo?
Aug 14 00:23:57  Like a flick event?
Aug 14 00:24:25  no idea.
Aug 14 00:24:35  Do you handle onmousedown and onmouseup yourself, and detect a flick?
Aug 14 00:26:09  12 minutes!  ugg.  20GB takes a while to copy
Aug 14 00:38:22  Fun fact of the day, that sd-slot-cover-looking thing on the side of the touchpad is a push-push-mechanism plastic piece that has the serial number, FCCID# and whatnot on it
Aug 14 00:38:33 * Shadyman learned something new today
Aug 14 00:44:21  holy moly it pops out
Aug 14 00:44:48  heh… the TP is having a mild seizure
Aug 14 00:45:44  thank you Shadyman
Aug 14 01:05:05  why is that halfhalo
Aug 14 01:08:53  media indexer was going crazy with 3k new songs to index
Aug 14 01:13:19  ah
Aug 14 01:13:21  i just realized how symmetrical the design of the touchpad is. the speaker holes macth the volume rocker and the empty sim card slot
Aug 14 01:14:24  wish it was an sd slot
Aug 14 01:16:48 * oil hasn't run out of space on his tp yet
Aug 14 01:18:14 * halfhalo has.  ish
Aug 14 01:21:23  i may have had a script go bannaners and make a bunch of empty 4GB files
Aug 14 01:22:17  I love both of my TouchPads :) I so can't wait to move to my new apartment!
Aug 14 01:22:49  Shadyman, kirksutton: It's been believed to be where the sim card will go in the 4G TouchPad
Aug 14 01:47:44  twbbas that is what i just said
Aug 14 01:48:04  empy airports are creepy
Aug 14 01:48:04 * twbbas missed that 2nd part
Aug 14 01:48:10  cwayne: I second that
Aug 14 01:48:28  i don;t know how to do that * thing
Aug 14 01:48:38  Type /me is cool
Aug 14 01:48:39  hey #webos folks: how to detect existence of a bluetooth keyboard?
Aug 14 01:49:09  haha
Aug 14 01:49:15 * kirksutton aint cool
Aug 14 01:50:13  oil: dialog: "HEY YOU GOT A BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD?"
Aug 14 01:50:18  am i don't it right?
Aug 14 01:50:26  Tibfib_: not good enough
Aug 14 01:50:34  kirksutton: Yep
Aug 14 01:50:42  hah
Aug 14 01:50:47  Tibfib: lol
Aug 14 01:50:59  oil: "YO DAWG, U USIN A BLUTOOTH DEVICE?"
Aug 14 01:51:09  Tibfib_: not good enough
Aug 14 01:51:37  oil: I blame you.
Aug 14 01:51:42  Tibfib_: not good enough
Aug 14 01:52:02  #$#$gjd#%#$%@@$#
Aug 14 01:53:55 * halfhalo has spent the day listening to music via his zune, finding a song he likes, then using his winphone to buy that track/download the rest of the album
Aug 14 01:55:32  also remembered why i stopped loading music on my touchpads.  I keep wiping them before I actually make it to the listening portion of the program
Aug 14 01:55:42  who buys songs anymore. Spotify is where it's at
Aug 14 01:55:45  haha
Aug 14 01:56:00  i forgot about spotify after one day
Aug 14 01:56:08  I got a month free trial that expires tomorrow
Aug 14 01:56:10  of premium
Aug 14 01:56:35  i didn't really care much for it. it is a good service though.
Aug 14 01:56:51  i prefer pandora still
Aug 14 01:56:56  Pandora is good
Aug 14 01:57:02  I transferred my Pandora stations to Spotify
Aug 14 01:57:08  all my "liked" songs on my stations
Aug 14 01:57:12  I don't even consider pandora to be in teh same class as spotify
Aug 14 01:57:29  i never said it was
Aug 14 01:57:46  Tibfib_: not good enough
Aug 14 01:57:50  It's nice that Spotify works on webOS for free but not any other platform
Aug 14 01:58:02  twbbas: probably a bug
Aug 14 01:58:04  they don't care to fix
Aug 14 01:58:08  I don't think so
Aug 14 01:58:11  I'll show proof
Aug 14 01:58:26  go for it
Aug 14 01:58:35 * twbbas IS going for it
Aug 14 01:58:57  http://www.spotify.com/us/mobile/palm/
Aug 14 01:59:04 * halfhalo has zune pass
Aug 14 01:59:06  "Coming soon for Free and Unlimited Users"
Aug 14 01:59:16  I think they made it for free but forgot to edit this page
Aug 14 01:59:47  WP7 gets it for free too
Aug 14 01:59:49  and edit that it's HP
Aug 14 01:59:54  ^
Aug 14 02:00:11  twbbas: doesn't say it is available in US....
Aug 14 02:00:23  can't access that page?
Aug 14 02:00:30  go down to bottom of splash page
Aug 14 02:00:34  hit continue
Aug 14 02:00:37  then go to the link again
Aug 14 02:00:53  the disclaimer at the bottom is probably old as well.
Aug 14 02:01:04  aka before spotify was in US
Aug 14 02:01:06  twbbas: no. I can see the page
Aug 14 02:01:08  it is in the US
Aug 14 02:01:14  ya that page is old
Aug 14 02:01:23  "Please note: Palm apps, including Spotify Mobile, are only available in the UK, Spain and France."
Aug 14 02:01:25  they released it for the US the day after it landed
Aug 14 02:01:46  MORE PROOF
Aug 14 02:01:55  nah i believe you anyway
Aug 14 02:02:03  haha
Aug 14 02:02:16  all the platforms just say "Search for Spotify in the catalog and install. That's it. Done."
Aug 14 02:02:21  EXCEPT WP7
Aug 14 02:02:32  you have to go to their mobile spotify website and go through disclaimers
Aug 14 02:02:50  lol
Aug 14 02:04:26  halfhalo: OM NOMNOMNOM
Aug 14 02:04:33  f+ on Speedtest.net. Oh boy. http://speedtest.net/result/1427067060.png
Aug 14 02:04:45  The + makes me feel a tad better
Aug 14 02:05:00 * Tibfib bets he gets a D or F
Aug 14 02:05:16  Tibfib: nou
Aug 14 02:05:25  Nom?
Aug 14 02:05:30  nou
Aug 14 02:05:36  OMNOMNOMN
Aug 14 02:05:44  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nou
Aug 14 02:05:58 * Tibfib WOOT
Aug 14 02:06:01 * Tibfib got D
Aug 14 02:06:06  you know what i realized…. i don't have the sdk on this computer.  i have yet to need it until now.  all I do is doctor in it.
Aug 14 02:06:52  http://speedtest.net/result/1310238685.png
Aug 14 02:06:59  WTF
Aug 14 02:07:10  hollllly crapppp
Aug 14 02:07:12  come on.
Aug 14 02:07:22  http://www.speedtest.net/result/1431835702.png
Aug 14 02:07:26  the file I'm uploading would upload in less than 5 secs
Aug 14 02:07:31  instead of like 30 mins
Aug 14 02:07:43  http://speedtest.net/result/1426942087.png
Aug 14 02:07:55  lol @ upload > download
Aug 14 02:07:56  nice upload
Aug 14 02:07:59  nice ping though
Aug 14 02:08:36  halfhalo: Got a Twitter
Aug 14 02:08:37  ?
Aug 14 02:08:47  yes
Aug 14 02:09:00  he tweets his private thoughts there
Aug 14 02:09:02  you can't follow it
Aug 14 02:09:08  what's the handle
Aug 14 02:09:12  but i would prefer not having those images tweeted.
Aug 14 02:09:16  @halfhalo
Aug 14 02:09:52 * halfhalo goes to find the speedtest he does like tweeted… faster than both of those...
Aug 14 02:10:04  your  tweets aren't private
Aug 14 02:10:11  lol
Aug 14 02:10:40  thats because i rarely tweet in the first place
Aug 14 02:11:12  nice egg pic
Aug 14 02:11:22 * twbbas just realized why it was an egg as default pic like a month ago
Aug 14 02:11:23  yup
Aug 14 02:11:24  whats a tweet
Aug 14 02:12:22  a sound a bird makes
Aug 14 02:12:54 * Tibfib lols whenever he reads about "twitter" or "tweets" in old books
Aug 14 02:13:08  what book was it.... hmmm
Aug 14 02:13:36  9.81x4.02 B
Aug 14 02:13:56  http://www.speedtest.net/result/1431840961.png
Aug 14 02:14:10  haeffb: oh, that's what you were talking about
Aug 14 02:14:58  Tibfib: or when there is a torrent of something
Aug 14 02:15:11  a torrential downpour?
Aug 14 02:15:21  mmm….. torrents...
Aug 14 02:15:31  oil: never really used torrents much
Aug 14 02:15:43  http://www.speedtest.net/result/1431842463.png
Aug 14 02:15:48 * haeffb was getting 40MB down while they were testing the connection.
Aug 14 02:15:52  usenet ftw
Aug 14 02:16:00  I hate you all.
Aug 14 02:16:06  sucky internet sucks
Aug 14 02:16:31  then they throttled me
Aug 14 02:16:44  but, really, nothing I do requires more than 10MB anyhow
Aug 14 02:16:58  just glad I don't fail like Tibfib
Aug 14 02:17:03  everyone is
Aug 14 02:17:38  yeah me too
Aug 14 02:18:07  Tibfib: i picked the same server as you. http://www.speedtest.net/result/1431844154.png
Aug 14 02:18:18  -_-
Aug 14 02:18:23 * twbbas has worse internet than Tibfib
Aug 14 02:18:37  :(((((((((((((((9
Aug 14 02:18:55  anyone feel like massively marketing nomnomnom for me?
Aug 14 02:18:58 * haeffb likes having fiber to the house
Aug 14 02:18:59  i know that was mean
Aug 14 02:19:09  all the way from atlantic city NJ
Aug 14 02:19:43  my ping is huge
Aug 14 02:19:44  Tibfib: How many commercials do you want and what primetime hours?
Aug 14 02:19:56  twbbas: several every commercial break
Aug 14 02:20:01  ok
Aug 14 02:20:08  probably 1 am - 11 pm every day
Aug 14 02:20:12  ok
Aug 14 02:20:24  I'll buy an infomercial slot in there too
Aug 14 02:20:29  HEY YOU!
Aug 14 02:20:36  Do you know what google reader is?
Aug 14 02:20:45  WELL YOU'VE JUST GOT TO HAVE IT!
Aug 14 02:20:49  Do you know what webOS is?
Aug 14 02:20:58  twbbas: that's a sidepoint
Aug 14 02:21:02  3 easy payments of $0.99
Aug 14 02:21:13  paid at same time
Aug 14 02:21:23  yes!
Aug 14 02:21:33  I am totally going to tweet that
Aug 14 02:21:41  when it is published
Aug 14 02:21:45  looool
Aug 14 02:22:01  not if I beat you to it with my app
Aug 14 02:22:05  "NomNomNom is now available for 3 easy payments of $x.xx. (Paid at the same time)"
Aug 14 02:22:40  i can't wait for some nomnomnom
Aug 14 02:22:50 * twbbas already has nomnomnom
Aug 14 02:22:54  kirksutton: nomnomnom loves you too
Aug 14 02:22:55  it's very delicious
Aug 14 02:23:07  my feeds practically gobble themselves
Aug 14 02:23:13  no really
Aug 14 02:23:14  there is a bug
Aug 14 02:23:21  marks everythign as read
Aug 14 02:23:27  yeah the monkey eats them
Aug 14 02:23:27  every 14 and a half seconds
Aug 14 02:23:47  if you were steve jobs you would just tell everyone to read everything. and it's not a bug
Aug 14 02:24:10  Yeah, why wouldn't you want everything to be marked as read? that's the future man!
Aug 14 02:24:48  "I read about 200 feeds and performance has been good so far."
Aug 14 02:24:50  BOOM!
Aug 14 02:25:00  NomNomNom. Thinner and lighter than the previous version... until you mark your feeds as read. That's when it gets fat.
Aug 14 02:25:27  "uhh, yeah, nomnomnom needs a nap. come back later"
Aug 14 02:28:27  Tibfib: To unsubscribe from a feed  you should make it so I can drag the feed to Cookie Monster's mouth and it eats it
Aug 14 02:28:37  HAHAAHH YES
Aug 14 02:28:39  and plays a sound like "NomNomNom"
Aug 14 02:28:53  i hate that i like holding my touchpad in portrait mode which means i am always covering a speaker with my hand
Aug 14 02:28:53  that'd be full of win
Aug 14 02:29:15  twbbas: that would increase the value of nomnomnom by like 14 and 2/3rds dollars
Aug 14 02:29:25  *paid at same time
Aug 14 02:29:33  Tibfib: re: text selection - Kindle renders pages with each word in a span.  the TIDE/ACE ide wraps each character in span and used a fixed width font.
Aug 14 02:29:50  I think both do this so they can use normal drag events to provide for text selection.
Aug 14 02:30:13  hmmm, why does that make it work?
Aug 14 02:30:38  well they can capture the events and apply them to the source nodes.
Aug 14 02:30:51  oh, so the text selection is done within the apps themselves?
Aug 14 02:30:54  w/o it its kinda hard to figure out what specific words or characters were clicked.
Aug 14 02:31:28  I was thinking that somehow enabled the systemwide text-selection
Aug 14 02:31:33  Tibfib: yes.  webkit selection is likley only possible with input types or possibly webview.  or turning contentEditable on.
Aug 14 02:31:35  Yes! TouchPad autocorrect suggested "deleted" for "eelted", which is what I meant to type
Aug 14 02:32:00  rwatkins: hmmmm, someone should do text selection and open sourc eit
Aug 14 02:32:38  Tibfib: I dont think you really can unless you mark up the content w/ enough nodes to isolate the events.
Aug 14 02:33:09  rwatkins: that'd be a pain
Aug 14 02:33:10  chatted w/ unwiredben a bit about this - you can also turn on contentEditable but that likely also forces the vkb up.
Aug 14 02:33:15  indeed.
Aug 14 02:33:25  you could force the keyboard
Aug 14 02:33:40  so that's not a big deal
Aug 14 02:33:48  force it back closed after its opened?
Aug 14 02:33:49  s/keyboard/keyboard closed/
Aug 14 02:33:54  rwatkins: force it to not open at all
Aug 14 02:34:05  put it in manual mode and you're good
Aug 14 02:34:23  hm.
Aug 14 02:35:50  rwatkins: let me know what you come up with, that'd be awesome to implement in our respective app
Aug 14 02:36:09  ya, seems like a core issue generally.
Aug 14 02:36:19  twbbas: you need to bring differences to phones :)
Aug 14 02:36:34  PatrickC: too small of screen
Aug 14 02:37:00  pri 1 on my list at the moment is making everything ok on the Pre3 first. the all the other stuff in the heap.
Aug 14 02:37:15  oh yeah
Aug 14 02:37:16  pre3
Aug 14 02:37:18  hmmmm
Aug 14 02:37:25  Pre 3 is a myth
Aug 14 02:37:28  Even in landscape twbbas?
Aug 14 02:37:35  no myth, played with one myself.
Aug 14 02:37:43  good hoax
Aug 14 02:37:47  rwatkins: its real?!
Aug 14 02:37:49  O_o
Aug 14 02:38:04  saw Richard Kerris' one, and played with .. a dev rel persons one.  ;)
Aug 14 02:38:40  PatrickC: The only way I'd move it to phones is if the images were cropped to be like 1/6th of their current size with new differences.
Aug 14 02:38:50  Wow
Aug 14 02:38:59  twbbas: isn't there an espn differences app?
Aug 14 02:39:03  I think it's on iOS
Aug 14 02:39:07  it's for PHONES
Aug 14 02:39:15  Tibfib: We use higher quality images
Aug 14 02:39:25  twbbas: are they your own?
Aug 14 02:39:35  Tibfib: No but we have the rights to use them
Aug 14 02:39:44 * Tibfib assumed you did
Aug 14 02:39:50  you lie
Aug 14 02:39:54  just wondering if they were taken in house or not
Aug 14 02:39:59  1 of them is
Aug 14 02:40:00 * Tibfib assumed you had the rights
Aug 14 02:40:04  it's a secret as to which one
Aug 14 02:40:18  it actually has me in it
Aug 14 02:40:22  hahaha nice
Aug 14 02:40:47  twbbas: differences is free? Right?
Aug 14 02:40:53  Y U SO CHEAP PATRICK
Aug 14 02:41:05  I want to dl it to phone with Impostah!
Aug 14 02:41:11  Can't do that with paid apps
Aug 14 02:41:29  PatrickC: Yes with IAP (coming soon). It's not built for the Pre 2 though.
Aug 14 02:41:44  In other words, your phone will become liquid metal.
Aug 14 02:41:52  Cool!
Aug 14 02:42:09  irrigated alligator pits?
Aug 14 02:42:41 * PatrickC looks for appid on google
Aug 14 02:43:00 * twbbas could just tell PatrickC but... nahhhh
Aug 14 02:43:19  twbbas: he needs to learn to use the googles
Aug 14 02:43:25  You would not have a link in the forum thread! Lol
Aug 14 02:43:25  Yep, good training
Aug 14 02:43:35  PatrickC: Yeah I've been meaning to add that in
Aug 14 02:43:42 * twbbas goes and does that now
Aug 14 02:44:13  Brb.. I'll check in a few to see if its there
Aug 14 02:44:39  hah!
Aug 14 02:45:58  And of course in your sig it would be a link *to* the forum thread :P
Aug 14 02:46:17  webosroundup forums seem to be picking up
Aug 14 02:46:24  I love them
Aug 14 02:46:42  PatrickC: It's up for Differences
Aug 14 02:46:49  adding rest of links to other app threads
Aug 14 02:47:02  aww IGNtdfdkjfjelfje isn't here
Aug 14 02:47:07  haha
Aug 14 02:47:27  PatrickC: I actually changed the links from the site to the forum thread in my sig today
Aug 14 02:47:37  s/from/to/
Aug 14 02:47:47  It used to go to our website
Aug 14 02:47:51  Nice app cat graphic
Aug 14 02:47:56  Thank you
Aug 14 02:48:38  Ugh.. Need to install a patch
Aug 14 02:48:55  twbbas: com.zone303.differences ?
Aug 14 02:49:02  That be it
Aug 14 02:49:11  Hmm.. Impostah doesn't like me
Aug 14 02:49:36  twbbas: pshaw, noob
Aug 14 02:49:45  it's should be com.DEV.app.BLAHH
Aug 14 02:49:46  Tibfib: ?
Aug 14 02:49:51  haha
Aug 14 02:49:54  I don't like the .app part
Aug 14 02:50:04  it makes it look better imo
Aug 14 02:50:11  it makes it look longer imo
Aug 14 02:50:14  SAME CHARACTERS
Aug 14 02:50:15  YES!
Aug 14 02:50:18  OH DANG
Aug 14 02:50:23  nerd-gasm
Aug 14 02:50:24  YOU JUST WON THE INTERNETS!
Aug 14 02:50:48 * rwatkins uses .app - keeps those things in their own namespace.
Aug 14 02:51:01 * Tibfib is #winning
Aug 14 02:51:50  that shit was too funny
Aug 14 02:53:16  <-> PatrickC is now known as PatrickC'n
Aug 14 02:53:24  Lol
Aug 14 02:53:25  no you're not
Aug 14 02:53:36  fail
Aug 14 02:53:45  backtick too .. nice.
Aug 14 02:53:49  Wirc won't let me nick back for like 30 min after a nick.. Lol
Aug 14 02:53:54  I don't feel like waiting
Aug 14 02:54:02  wirc imposes no such limits
Aug 14 02:54:18  Its happened to me plenty of times
Aug 14 02:54:24  wirc is a client
Aug 14 02:54:29  you're doing it wrong
Aug 14 02:54:36  dont assume anything is wircs fault
Aug 14 02:54:39  Its freenode then
Aug 14 02:54:49 * twbbas`n can changes nicks as much as I want
Aug 14 02:55:02  Maybe Freenode knows you're underage
Aug 14 02:55:08  and prone to nick spamming
Aug 14 02:55:21  Haha
Aug 14 02:55:22  PatrickC'n Erroneous Nickname
Aug 14 02:55:26  can't use '
Aug 14 02:56:04  Eh, ohwell
Aug 14 02:56:15  PatrickC; DROP TABLE ...
Aug 14 02:56:33 * haeffb uses .app and .beta
Aug 14 02:56:50 * PatrickC uses -beta
Aug 14 02:57:07 * oil uses .catalog
Aug 14 02:57:22  PatrickC: have you shipped an app, or are they all by definition 'beta'?
Aug 14 02:57:33  he's a brown belt who just learned hte if statement
Aug 14 02:57:37  rwatkins: he's a brown belt
Aug 14 02:57:46  rwatkins: I've shipped 4 apps that weren't beta
Aug 14 02:57:52  oil: just learned OF the if statement
Aug 14 02:57:56  ugh.
Aug 14 02:57:57  4 apps without a single if statement
Aug 14 02:58:15  we don't know if he's actually learned how to use it
Aug 14 02:58:37 * PatrickC knows how to use it now
Aug 14 02:58:52  and elseif ?
Aug 14 02:58:54  I had no need for it before
Aug 14 02:58:57  and else ?
Aug 14 02:58:58  haeffb: yes
Aug 14 02:58:59  I'm sure - next app with have a function with 50 inline if statements.
Aug 14 02:59:00  woo!
Aug 14 02:59:03  Elseif is just another if
Aug 14 02:59:11  oh. my. god.
Aug 14 02:59:28  LOL
Aug 14 02:59:28  an app .. without the need for an if statement.  i dont wanna know.
Aug 14 02:59:30  and thats how we know belts dont matter
Aug 14 02:59:31  And then else is if none of the 'if's are true/false
Aug 14 02:59:50  woo!
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