**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 19 02:59:57 2011 Aug 19 02:59:58 i'm not typing on it now, but it's upstairs Aug 19 03:00:06 Shadyman1: where at? Aug 19 03:00:08 flip-around tablet laptop Aug 19 03:00:16 dto: Staples, BestBuy Aug 19 03:00:19 mostly Staples though Aug 19 03:00:20 I had the TX2 series, with the bad nvidia chipset :/ Aug 19 03:00:26 oh Aug 19 03:00:29 eww Aug 19 03:00:29 but before the graphics burnt out... it was awesome Aug 19 03:00:35 flare576: it means they had no plan about what to do with webOS, but they decided to tank it anyway Aug 19 03:00:47 I agree with that, summatusmentis Aug 19 03:00:55 mine has some generic intel graphics chip. the ubuntu 3d drivers work, although it's no powerhouse. but i do a lot of 2d imagery Aug 19 03:01:03 at this point, I need a "miracle" or I'm moving on Aug 19 03:01:04 so as a tablet w/pen it's soooo sweet Aug 19 03:01:13 and I can run MIT scratch on it for the kids :) Aug 19 03:01:21 alright, tah all Aug 19 03:01:21 All the signs I can see point to "we're dumping it, but we don't want to say it outright because our stock holders would get their panties in a bunch" Aug 19 03:01:42 yes thats exactly it Aug 19 03:01:51 which is why the need to find a suitor to sell it to Aug 19 03:02:12 otherwise it will be ipaqed with the compaq ipaq line they destroyed Aug 19 03:02:22 Whatever. I, for one, plan to pick up eleventy touchpads and use them for all kinds of geekiness. Aug 19 03:02:22 but I'm still holding onto the TouchPad because, as PuffTheMagic said, it's the most hackable tablet I could find :) Aug 19 03:02:24 (HP has a history of this) Aug 19 03:02:42 i have two really nice HP printers Aug 19 03:02:47 flare576: Totally. First thing I'm doing when I get my EPP touchpad is desoldering that stupid microUSB and sticking in a MiniUSB. Aug 19 03:03:00 it's so sad when companies that make great stuff, do less than great things Aug 19 03:03:05 I hope my next fridge has webOS installed Aug 19 03:03:10 on an 11" touch panel Aug 19 03:03:18 hah Aug 19 03:03:19 err Aug 19 03:03:23 activity cardfs Aug 19 03:03:24 or maybe I will ductape my pad to my current fridge Aug 19 03:03:25 hmm Aug 19 03:03:27 a card for each shelf on the fridge? Aug 19 03:03:32 no Aug 19 03:03:40 one card to keep track of itemized fridge items Aug 19 03:03:47 hey a shopping list app Aug 19 03:03:57 each shelf has a microsoft tabletop thing Aug 19 03:03:57 One card To Rule Them All Aug 19 03:04:01 what the hell is that called Aug 19 03:04:03 surface Aug 19 03:04:05 yes Aug 19 03:04:06 "surface" Aug 19 03:04:07 thanks Aug 19 03:04:07 Surface Aug 19 03:04:10 lol Aug 19 03:04:18 "Big-ass table" Aug 19 03:04:27 the thing I cant seem to buy even though I have a nice ready credit card Aug 19 03:04:36 but if I buy a yacht it comes standard Aug 19 03:04:37 wtf Aug 19 03:04:43 hah! Aug 19 03:04:50 WTB 2 yachts Aug 19 03:04:57 "charge it" Aug 19 03:05:18 is it still impossible to buy an OLPC without buying one for some random kid elsewhere? Aug 19 03:05:49 It would be nice for them to either: A Sell off webOS or license B: Turn it into a new interface for Windows 8 C: Build it atop of androide (cringe) D: Do all of the above Aug 19 03:06:09 ugh Aug 19 03:06:17 Charge it... Aug 19 03:06:23 $$$$ Aug 19 03:06:35 does this mean webos wouldn't be receiving that doc editor it was suppose to get so long ago Aug 19 03:06:37 who would buy? nobody. Aug 19 03:06:49 buy what Aug 19 03:06:55 they'll buy palm's patents, but not much else to sell Aug 19 03:06:57 webOS. Aug 19 03:07:02 ah yeah Aug 19 03:07:16 palms patents even I guess have been values much less then what HP paid for Aug 19 03:07:19 "hi, here's some source code, all the people that wrote it? gone." Aug 19 03:07:19 they are getting old Aug 19 03:07:27 Webos is too expensive and the software isn't even ready which means deveolopment costs Aug 19 03:07:30 alot of motorolas patents are getting old as well Aug 19 03:07:38 dto, i will sell u my olpc Aug 19 03:07:43 not sure that the goolerola is any better now then before Aug 19 03:07:51 motorola has good wireless patents, palm likely has good interface patents. Aug 19 03:08:50 I wonder if they have a patent on the whole using a wireles signal to transmit data Aug 19 03:08:56 google .. has no patents till motorola. because they were dumb/innocent. Aug 19 03:09:11 yep Aug 19 03:09:16 motorola invented the cell phone, so they have a few of those. Aug 19 03:09:21 Yes Aug 19 03:09:27 but how many are still legit today Aug 19 03:09:30 or apply today Aug 19 03:09:36 i'm sure plenty Aug 19 03:09:38 actually this would be interesting to see Aug 19 03:10:02 and its all about what the competition things you can try and enforce, not what you actually do. Aug 19 03:10:08 s/things/thinks/ Aug 19 03:11:21 No I agree Aug 19 03:11:41 I am just saying, I would like to see moto patents and see how many are still viable today and how many are obsolete Aug 19 03:11:45 or for any company Aug 19 03:11:55 true, but with 17k of them ... Aug 19 03:11:56 So many patents come and go Aug 19 03:12:00 yep Aug 19 03:13:24 I wonder if this story of bestbuy only selling some 30k tablets out of 270k is true Aug 19 03:13:41 well folks #webos has been more fun than i expected :) I'm off for now. toodles! Aug 19 03:13:54 i'll check back, I do seriously think webos is pretty cool Aug 19 03:14:06 probably is Aug 19 03:14:50 probably got a lot of returns too when customers realized the limited functions Aug 19 03:15:06 Chuq seems to think this is for the better. Aug 19 03:15:21 I am not sure that chuq had much more to say Aug 19 03:15:31 and I havent heard from him after the meetings he had Aug 19 03:15:34 or the bad news Aug 19 03:15:38 Seems to be that HP is just relaying the hardware to 3rd parties Aug 19 03:16:02 Abyssul-TP: assuming 3rd parties sign up. who's gonna want to? Aug 19 03:16:06 CTLAdvance|2: The big box stores (at least around here) werent' seeing many returns at all on the Touchpad Aug 19 03:16:13 so they can focus on the software more. Webos isn't as dead as it seems Aug 19 03:16:18 unlike the Playbook, which was epic returnage Aug 19 03:16:41 I just think they aimed the price too high to start, which led people to compare it directly side-by-side with the iPad Aug 19 03:16:49 The playbook was a bag of fail, but heym blackberry didnt kill it did they :) Aug 19 03:16:58 does webOS get shuffled off with the PSG group though - and the other hardware, or stay with HP? Aug 19 03:17:08 but you cant even compare it with an acer iconia Aug 19 03:17:19 what's very interesting is that this news comes on the heels of the google/motorola deal .. Aug 19 03:17:21 no rear camera, no gps Aug 19 03:17:24 PSG isn't going anywhere. I'll believe that when I see it. Aug 19 03:17:27 low returns because no one bought it Aug 19 03:17:32 ^ Aug 19 03:17:39 google had a software solution with hardware partners .. and still decided it was better for them to have some hardware business (and patents) Aug 19 03:17:43 oh god Aug 19 03:17:47 to be fair, the Qualcomm chip doesn't have GPS for the non-3G version Aug 19 03:17:58 now HP is going from a hardware/software solution to just a software solution .. Aug 19 03:17:58 while i can't claim this is google's view Aug 19 03:18:03 google decided patents were awesome Aug 19 03:18:13 and then we were forced to have Kesne make use a camera app to use the front facing camera... come on man Aug 19 03:18:14 bpadalino: I'd imagine that was a nail in the coffin, so to speak Aug 19 03:18:16 and doesn't care about the hardware Aug 19 03:18:29 doesnt need it Aug 19 03:18:34 they have separate modules Aug 19 03:18:40 The rear-facing camera, or lack thereof, wouldn't be a big deal if it was tied to a Veer or a Pre 3, i'd imagine Aug 19 03:18:40 but, when you had hardware and gave it up, who is going to invest their time, money and effort into something the parent company doesn't even think they should invest hardware in ? Aug 19 03:18:41 My wifi galaxy tab has GPS Aug 19 03:18:45 Lawl Aug 19 03:18:45 10.1 Aug 19 03:18:46 lawlawl Aug 19 03:18:48 lawlawlawl Aug 19 03:19:00 i cant take any more of this tonight Aug 19 03:19:04 bpadalino: indeed. Aug 19 03:19:07 CTLAdvance|2: True, but the Qualcomm Snapdragon is a system-on-chip.. They'd have to add in a separate GPS SoC to handle that Aug 19 03:19:07 i'm shutting off the computer for the night Aug 19 03:19:13 fxspec06: g'nite Aug 19 03:19:18 and probably the phone as well Aug 19 03:19:19 fxspec06: that depressed? Aug 19 03:19:19 that's the biggest part i can't get over .. if the parent company itself isn't willing to invest in hardware itself - is that really a good sign for anyone else looking to sign up? seems like a very, very difficult sell Aug 19 03:19:20 well they must have then Aug 19 03:19:22 goodnight guys Aug 19 03:19:25 yes Aug 19 03:19:32 was almost finished with a pre3 version of Paper Mache too - ah well. Aug 19 03:19:33 because almost all android (big name) tablets have GPS on wifi only Aug 19 03:19:34 This nightmare will be over soon :-( Aug 19 03:19:40 goodnight. Aug 19 03:19:46 bpadalino: Well, tablet hardware isn't a core competency for HP Aug 19 03:20:03 CTLAdvance|2: Indeed. Aug 19 03:20:06 rwatkins: Enyo or Mojo? Aug 19 03:20:08 and with android navigator it caches your route, so long as you dont make a wrong turn Aug 19 03:20:11 or even if you do Aug 19 03:20:12 akanster: enyo Aug 19 03:20:15 the route is still there Aug 19 03:20:22 just look at the fixit breakdown of the TP. its built like a laptop Aug 19 03:20:41 Abyssul-TP: Which is great for hacking it :D Aug 19 03:20:43 yay hardhacks Aug 19 03:20:57 honestly, i hope they open up luna Aug 19 03:21:41 and the rear facing camera, is nice when my phone is on the other side of the room, or when I dont want to have to deal with touching feeling or transfer etc Aug 19 03:21:48 ;) Aug 19 03:21:59 esp when its also 5mp like the acer Aug 19 03:22:12 bpadalino, me too - open source luna Aug 19 03:22:14 anyways Aug 19 03:22:19 ... Aug 19 03:23:08 the community is strong - let the (small) masses play Aug 19 03:23:27 Eh, whatever. I've got my Touchpad incoming for $250, and paid half price for touchstone and case Aug 19 03:23:32 and this is crazy for bestbuy Aug 19 03:23:33 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat249800050003&type=category Aug 19 03:23:48 299 for the acer iconia Aug 19 03:23:57 well 399 with 100 gc Aug 19 03:24:07 yeah, bit of a difference ;) Aug 19 03:24:20 where did you get a discount on the touchstone and case Aug 19 03:24:22 i am actually very curious how creationix and mattsmcnulty feel about the announcement Aug 19 03:24:52 is the dev discount good on accessories Aug 19 03:24:55 ? Aug 19 03:25:10 CTLAdvance|2: was an employee purchase plan Aug 19 03:25:25 I harassed my bosses enough to let us have it :p Aug 19 03:25:26 Hrm. Might be just as well I got it from Hardly Normal. Aug 19 03:25:28 ah Aug 19 03:25:50 They've said that if HP won't support the product, all customers will get the choice of either another tablet or refund. Aug 19 03:25:51 Anyone have a good site so I can learn to take my javascript/html5 sites/apps to webOS? Don't say the palm/hp site. Aug 19 03:25:53 thats the other thing Aug 19 03:25:57 their accessories were nice Aug 19 03:26:01 but way over priced Aug 19 03:26:06 what a joke that is Aug 19 03:26:10 80 for the charger Aug 19 03:26:19 Hendikins: They'll support it. Aug 19 03:26:35 CTLAdvance|2: WTF? Aug 19 03:26:44 CTLAdvance|2: Oh, touchstone. Aug 19 03:26:56 Thought you meant the $30 wall charger Aug 19 03:27:10 Shadyman1: I guess it also depends on what the retailer considers support. As much as I like the device, I'll probably take the money back if I'm offered it. Aug 19 03:27:22 I bet AT&T is feeling real good about their touchpad right now Aug 19 03:27:35 I bet we never see the AT&T TouchPad. Aug 19 03:28:30 4 days from release (AU) to discontinuation must be some sort of record. Aug 19 03:28:40 watch Woot! though for "unlocked GSM TouchPad" though ... Aug 19 03:28:45 the way HP is going they may just end up releasing the 7" touchpad and all that after they made this announcement, due to sheer corporate inertia Aug 19 03:28:48 rwatkins: Ooo Aug 19 03:29:20 rwhitby: In case you hadn't already seen it, http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/hp-harvey-norman-in-talks-over-touchpad-demise/story-e6frgakx-1226118033662 Aug 19 03:30:22 WOR devices perhaps, but likely not on a carrier as those usually have contracts saying how long they'll support them. Aug 19 03:30:40 rwhitby: pinged you on the tweet Aug 19 03:30:51 so they *may* not turn the servers off in Dec, if they have to support AT&T and the Veer for another 2 yrs per contract. Aug 19 03:30:58 that article loses credibility in the first sentence "HP announced overnight it had decided to axe development of webOS ..." Aug 19 03:31:12 jacques: Yeah, News Limited. 'nuff said. Aug 19 03:31:56 On a side note, I wish they'd ban kids from first class on trains. I really do. Aug 19 03:32:23 ^ Aug 19 03:40:20 hey all Aug 19 03:40:29 did chuq deliver any good news? Aug 19 03:40:45 he hasn't been around afaict Aug 19 03:40:57 ok.. Aug 19 03:41:03 that it was all just "a bad dream". Aug 19 03:41:15 whew! I'm happy now! Aug 19 03:41:24 * rrix wouldn't mind waking up covered in sweat for more reasons than this right now :\ Aug 19 03:41:28 more icing on the cake than anythign Aug 19 03:41:50 wow... phnx is an amazing app Aug 19 03:42:07 i don't get it. it's a cool platform, the best mobile one i know of, but you have it you can keep developing for it Aug 19 03:42:21 i guess if you want to make money off it that's an issue Aug 19 03:42:26 I will Aug 19 03:42:34 meh, mobile is an awful market, work on something interesting Aug 19 03:42:35 keep developing* Aug 19 03:42:38 its also somewhat of an issue if there are no platform improvements. Aug 19 03:42:48 rwatkins: that is true admittedly Aug 19 03:42:51 yeah, thats bad Aug 19 03:42:55 like say a webkit permanently stuck in the past when the entire UI is built on it. Aug 19 03:42:57 rwatkins: oh, like all those updates we have for webos 1.4.5 and 2.1? Aug 19 03:43:17 but that's why the most important thing to do now is not wine Aug 19 03:43:17 think @font-face is gonna get fixed now? dont think so. Aug 19 03:43:20 whine Aug 19 03:43:22 (that have made it to devices) Aug 19 03:43:23 but campaign for OSS Aug 19 03:43:41 did canvas ever get the ability to save as jpg Aug 19 03:43:48 or did they never implement that Aug 19 03:43:57 CTLAdvance|2: I think they have it Aug 19 03:44:07 like getting webkit updated to be able to do webgl Aug 19 03:44:09 hey kesne Aug 19 03:44:10 so we can get mapsgl Aug 19 03:44:13 I know you can export byte code in webOS but you couldnt save Aug 19 03:44:17 * DraX is a maps fetishist Aug 19 03:44:17 rrix: I hear ya. Aug 19 03:44:18 though Aug 19 03:44:27 through byte code, you could assemble the image Aug 19 03:44:29 in node Aug 19 03:44:32 oh well Aug 19 03:44:49 bytecode? Aug 19 03:44:53 v8 compiles to asm Aug 19 03:45:21 sorry I misspoke Aug 19 03:45:25 you can rewrite enyo to fix the framework issues all you want still - the code is right there. its webkit and lower that the issue. Aug 19 03:45:41 Hendikins: cheers Aug 19 03:45:42 which is why OSS is so important Aug 19 03:46:12 its also an issue in a year or two when the hardware is just .. ancient. Aug 19 03:46:24 hows that pre- doing today, eh? Aug 19 03:46:26 akanster: RT'd Aug 19 03:46:32 v8 regex engine is _so_ worth reading Aug 19 03:46:34 it's truly awesome Aug 19 03:46:37 hey rwhitby Aug 19 03:47:07 rwhitby: thanks, I saw! :) Aug 19 03:47:32 webgl just seems like a terrible idea Aug 19 03:47:47 webgl is cool! Aug 19 03:47:49 imo... letting remote webpages run stuff on your gpu Aug 19 03:48:05 well the first/only exploit in chrome is related to that Aug 19 03:48:07 but yeha Aug 19 03:48:10 security sucks Aug 19 03:48:14 activeX seemed cool, too ;) Aug 19 03:48:28 and it'll only get worse from here on out until the gpu has a kernel mode and a usermode? Aug 19 03:48:28 security is just depresing i ignore it Aug 19 03:48:31 Via Con Dios Aug 19 03:48:34 my dekstop at work has been asking me to reboot for 100 days Aug 19 03:48:36 i refuse Aug 19 03:49:31 also, i'm waiting for the update arrow in chrome to start pulsing Aug 19 03:49:34 before i restart chrome Aug 19 03:49:34 :P Aug 19 03:49:44 PatrickC - so is #android or #iphonedev where you will be going forward Aug 19 03:49:48 or both and #phonegap Aug 19 03:49:59 we should all just go and join #phonegap Aug 19 03:50:11 what about #bada and that other one Aug 19 03:50:13 CTLAdvance|2: I think I'll join an awesome channel called #webos Aug 19 03:50:22 well were already here Aug 19 03:50:26 dumby Aug 19 03:50:26 indeed - its phonegap and sencha touch for me for now. Aug 19 03:50:32 lol Aug 19 03:50:42 :) Aug 19 03:50:49 #maemo? Aug 19 03:50:50 probably #iphonedev :'( Aug 19 03:51:08 lol dwc Aug 19 03:51:13 meego Aug 19 03:51:41 or you can also join irc.efnet.org #wp7 Aug 19 03:51:43 meego is a joke, and not because Elop shit on it Aug 19 03:51:49 meego as a platform sucks Aug 19 03:51:57 no meego was a joke since its conception Aug 19 03:52:01 Yes Aug 19 03:52:11 it had fail written all over it Aug 19 03:52:26 CTLAdvance|2: #wp7 will not be for a while Aug 19 03:52:31 I bet wp7 ends up ditching silverlight for html/css/js and webOS devs end up there. Aug 19 03:52:33 google will remaion the main linux push on phones Aug 19 03:52:35 by default. Aug 19 03:52:52 wp7 has phonegap support Aug 19 03:52:53 ditching silverlight? wouldn't count on it Aug 19 03:53:00 and I think that all of that will be included in mango Aug 19 03:53:07 or in the version after Aug 19 03:53:10 "phonegap has wp7 support" ? Aug 19 03:53:13 silverlight is needed for low level apps Aug 19 03:53:21 I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if HTC and Samsung ended up partnering with Amazon for their android offerings Aug 19 03:53:22 silverlight is extremely powerful Aug 19 03:53:28 dwc-: they ticked off everyone with the window 8 "its all html" - wp7 is next. Aug 19 03:53:31 esp now with the updated api'sand C# support Aug 19 03:53:41 Amazon's been working for a while on their own store and ecosystem, and eventually hardware Aug 19 03:53:42 ah thats true Aug 19 03:54:02 but its still android Aug 19 03:54:14 But it's not google Aug 19 03:54:18 nope Aug 19 03:54:26 did you see in japan, yahoo skinned androidf Aug 19 03:54:30 amazon could take a large chunk out of google'd android dominance if they wanted to Aug 19 03:54:31 and made a yahoo phone Aug 19 03:54:37 no google Aug 19 03:54:46 and now would be the perfect time to do it Aug 19 03:54:53 phonegap will support wp7 in the near future Aug 19 03:54:57 HTC and Samsung must be shitting themselves right now, looking for a way out Aug 19 03:54:58 why would amazon fork android? Aug 19 03:55:00 supposed to launch when mango launches Aug 19 03:55:13 from what I have been told, hopefully I have not been misinformed Aug 19 03:55:21 its also listed in the phonegap site Aug 19 03:55:42 dwc-: They already are Aug 19 03:55:57 Because they don't want to be controlled by google, and because they have the manpower to do it Aug 19 03:56:02 and windows 8 - only the new interface is html5 Aug 19 03:56:11 the os itself, or just by putting some apps and a different app store on it? Aug 19 03:56:12 ... why am I playing Gran Turismo 3 on an old PS2? Aug 19 03:56:22 THough I hope they implement transitions properly for IE10 Aug 19 03:56:25 dwc-: Both. Aug 19 03:56:27 IE9 is killing me Aug 19 03:56:43 why not fork it, rewrite the google apps on your own, and .. own it? Aug 19 03:57:01 I love how playbook will have an android app store Aug 19 03:57:01 I'm not sure why amazon really cares Aug 19 03:57:11 dwc-: Tablets and Ebook readers Aug 19 03:57:13 CTLAdvance|2: yeah haha Aug 19 03:57:15 their electronics is ... the kindle Aug 19 03:57:21 because the amazon app store is better than googles Aug 19 03:57:26 and they are making a killing Aug 19 03:57:33 as long as you dont license the google apps, you're probalby free to take the core os and fork all you want. Aug 19 03:57:37 HTC and samsung pick up the phones, and hey look none of them needs google any more Aug 19 03:57:51 rwatkins: except for the patent silliness Aug 19 03:57:51 but they don't have to fork it. they can just use it as is Aug 19 03:58:01 and the core os is just a highly mobile optimised version of android Aug 19 03:58:05 sorry Aug 19 03:58:06 fail Aug 19 03:58:11 linux Aug 19 03:59:24 dwc-: possibly but assume they'd fork and pull in bits they want from time to time. so they can release on their own schedule. Aug 19 03:59:31 twbbas_: how's incredible! ? Aug 19 03:59:51 So I think the best path for webOS devs is to use phonegap and just use all OS;s Aug 19 03:59:54 iphone one day Aug 19 04:00:00 wp7 another Aug 19 04:00:05 bada the next Aug 19 04:00:07 ;) Aug 19 04:00:17 I'll probably go iPhone 5 in feb/march :/ Aug 19 04:00:21 bada is actually listed on phonegaps site Aug 19 04:00:31 by then, webos will have died, or lived Aug 19 04:00:50 yeah Aug 19 04:01:22 via con dios Aug 19 04:01:24 OPEN SOURCE EVERYTHING! Aug 19 04:01:43 * akanster is open sourcing his apps Aug 19 04:01:49 TOO LATE Aug 19 04:01:55 Never! Aug 19 04:02:06 let me just ask this one question Aug 19 04:02:11 IS IT THA SHOES! Aug 19 04:02:21 Blackwell! Aug 19 04:02:38 people need to stfu about their next phones Aug 19 04:03:00 It's a puff! Aug 19 04:03:01 no one cares Aug 19 04:03:03 err, Blackmon Aug 19 04:03:03 I'm thinking I'll get a jitterbug for my next phone Aug 19 04:03:10 haha Aug 19 04:03:28 no one cares how you think no one cares Aug 19 04:03:47 A+ for jitterbug Aug 19 04:03:48 lol Aug 19 04:04:02 1+ double check Aug 19 04:05:05 you all should go to #thisismynext chan Aug 19 04:05:27 wait Aug 19 04:05:28 not irc Aug 19 04:05:29 lol Aug 19 04:05:32 where? Aug 19 04:05:41 on freenode Aug 19 04:05:45 I"m there Aug 19 04:05:49 you are lying Aug 19 04:05:59 no I'm not Aug 19 04:06:02 lol Aug 19 04:06:12 if you are there, that is a start Aug 19 04:06:17 Tibfib: is @ in that chan Aug 19 04:06:39 talk about your next lhines there Aug 19 04:06:43 phones Aug 19 04:07:00 ThisismynextHeartbreak Aug 19 04:07:52 thisismynextpad Aug 19 04:08:02 ThisismynextHP Aug 19 04:08:05 we should start a channel Aug 19 04:08:18 iTouchPads Aug 19 04:08:22 we need a channel to stick together Aug 19 04:08:29 everyone should stay here, even if you move on Aug 19 04:08:34 #hpsuckscirclejerk? *ducks* :) Aug 19 04:08:46 lol Aug 19 04:09:07 #palmingoneout Aug 19 04:09:12 #webosalumni Aug 19 04:09:19 #webosforever Aug 19 04:09:25 CTLAdvance|2: yes Aug 19 04:09:29 * rrix goes to create r/weboscirclejerk on reddit Aug 19 04:09:45 PatrickC Palming one out or webOS forever Aug 19 04:09:53 ? Aug 19 04:09:55 or both Aug 19 04:10:01 no wait, I have to get my rally license in GT3 first. Sorry, guys, more important Aug 19 04:10:03 webosforever Aug 19 04:10:03 fap fap Aug 19 04:10:10 doublefacepalm Aug 19 04:10:52 CTLAdvance|2: #webosforever is now registered :) Aug 19 04:10:54 ok I have started #doublefacepalm Aug 19 04:11:02 lol Aug 19 04:11:05 lol Aug 19 04:11:06 #facehp Aug 19 04:11:27 #palmingathphq Aug 19 04:11:44 And I just registered #webosforeveralone for you guys Aug 19 04:14:02 * Tibfib goes thru and adds funny comments to nomnomnom Aug 19 04:15:29 VIA CON DIOS, DOUBLE FACE PALM Aug 19 04:17:21 http://twitter.com/#!/richardkerris/status/104301902585544704 Aug 19 04:17:41 shoulda done that before it died ^ Aug 19 04:17:54 * rwhitby releases sales figures Aug 19 04:18:09 https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/104405410416574464 Aug 19 04:18:19 rwhitby: you probably make more money than any other webos dev Aug 19 04:18:24 with donations and phd sales Aug 19 04:18:26 crazy. Aug 19 04:18:39 sales in units or in $? Aug 19 04:18:45 here we go Aug 19 04:18:45 http://memegenerator.net/instance/9459808 Aug 19 04:18:46 even better question Aug 19 04:18:48 units Aug 19 04:18:55 OH MY GOSH Aug 19 04:19:10 oh well, that's not much different Aug 19 04:19:16 $6k, not bad. Aug 19 04:19:22 indeed, it is a $0.99 app :) Aug 19 04:19:23 no, not at all Aug 19 04:19:34 depends on whos counting Aug 19 04:19:35 10k sales of nomnomnom would be amazing. Aug 19 04:19:38 you, or HP? Aug 19 04:20:02 Did richard keris really tweet that 6 hours ago Aug 19 04:20:05 6pm est Aug 19 04:20:09 yes he did Aug 19 04:20:10 3pm pst Aug 19 04:20:13 rwatkins: what HP is paying out on, which is the only figure that matters Aug 19 04:20:28 That screams like it needs a marc marin into Aug 19 04:20:30 WTF Aug 19 04:20:36 intro Aug 19 04:20:46 marc maron ? Aug 19 04:21:21 yeah however his name is spelled Aug 19 04:21:31 :) Aug 19 04:22:14 brb reboot Aug 19 04:22:26 dont announce your every moge! Aug 19 04:22:33 and he leaves :( Aug 19 04:22:52 TRIPPY Aug 19 04:23:42 http://twitter.com/#!/rawdeadfish/status/104406366260690945 Aug 19 04:23:55 twitter has been amazing today Aug 19 04:23:59 from keris Aug 19 04:23:59 #HPwebOS is an awesome software platform and now we can explore the best hardware partner for it. #onward. Aug 19 04:24:24 whats trippy Aug 19 04:25:34 As they say in my head Aug 19 04:25:35 FTS Aug 19 04:26:03 really Aug 19 04:26:13 the voices in my head say nothing like that Aug 19 04:29:58 http://villo.me/next/ Aug 19 04:30:54 RT @richardkerris: We will increase our investment in #Enyo for the @HP #webOS platform Aug 19 04:33:54 kesne: misspelled automatically Aug 19 04:34:07 villo is pretty awesome Aug 19 04:34:24 I just haven't really made an app that needs it Aug 19 04:43:58 who made villo? Aug 19 04:48:47 kense Aug 19 04:50:39 * rwhitby bbl Aug 19 04:51:47 neato Aug 19 04:52:51 wooo Aug 19 04:52:57 just jslinted my google reader lib Aug 19 04:52:59 it made me cry Aug 19 04:53:19 Tibfib: That is the sole purpose of jslint Aug 19 04:53:27 aye Aug 19 04:53:34 Hell, even Google doesn't strictly abide by it -- they created gjslint to use instead. Aug 19 04:53:35 heh Aug 19 05:00:47 yay, lib is much more efficient and OOP Aug 19 05:01:08 damn, I ordered touchpad couple days ago and now h announces its dead :D Aug 19 05:01:18 I feel betrayed Aug 19 05:01:46 feh, I don't care. I'll use my Touchpad regardless. Aug 19 05:05:09 9kb minified Aug 19 05:05:33 a little big-ish ah well Aug 19 05:08:15 Shadyman1: yeah, same here. But I really hope that someone else is going to build webos based tablets Aug 19 05:09:05 Certainly Aug 19 05:09:25 I think HP just wants to focus on the software Aug 19 05:11:01 I didnt read announcements deeply, but are they still gonna update their present devices? Aug 19 05:11:10 or is it just abandon Aug 19 05:12:24 I just realized that I may not ever get scandinavic keyboard layout for my tablet because it never did get here Aug 19 05:14:56 OKAY Aug 19 05:14:58 goodnight everyone Aug 19 05:20:31 rwhitby: Refunds for Australians: Official: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/exec-tech/hps-touchpad-tablet-killed-in-australia/story-e6frgazf-1226118178681 Aug 19 05:24:04 good night Tibfib_! Aug 19 05:53:28 rwhitby: You misspelled my names Aug 19 05:58:22 :* Aug 19 05:58:31 :( too Aug 19 05:58:44 DraX: Are you still whining about that? Aug 19 05:58:51 whining about what? Aug 19 05:58:58 I have no idea Aug 19 05:59:11 i acutally don't care about the whole no devices thing Aug 19 05:59:47 it's a cool device to me with a very awesome OS Aug 19 05:59:55 i don't really give a shit about the business situation Aug 19 06:00:24 Hey what's going on? I was just looking at getting a touchpad. Aug 19 06:00:25 I like your style Aug 19 06:00:31 rwhitby: ...and I've already been called by Hardly Normal Broadway (although I missed the call). Aug 19 06:00:53 otoh, i got asked to asked to add Pre 3 support for maps today Aug 19 06:00:55 Is WebOS endangered now? Aug 19 06:00:58 and then the news hit Aug 19 06:01:04 and :( Aug 19 06:01:33 I dont understand this because the touchpad looked cool and I was about to try to get one. Aug 19 06:01:39 now someone is saying it's discontinued Aug 19 06:01:44 pre3 issues a different user-agent for webos browser than touchpad Aug 19 06:01:47 it's utter bullshit Aug 19 06:01:58 touchpad says wOSBrowser/ Aug 19 06:02:07 pre3 says webOSBrowser/ Aug 19 06:02:37 All pretty moot now anyway. Aug 19 06:02:59 indeed, i was basically asked to avoid Aug 19 06:03:35 anyone think the Pre3 will be the last phone? or will it be never releases state side Aug 19 06:04:46 so touch to share is all BS :( Aug 19 06:06:14 anyone have any suggestions for learning HTML5 porting to App? Aug 19 06:32:49 em: "wait and see" is my best answer right now Aug 19 06:37:59 its interesting that the population of #webos has gone up, and #webos-internals has stayed the same Aug 19 06:40:27 * DraX is going to buy a MacIvory :) Aug 19 06:41:47 oil: this is all your fault Aug 19 06:42:06 :/ Aug 19 06:42:32 This whole HP mess is your doing! Aug 19 06:43:09 get a MacIvory to compensate! :)/ Aug 19 06:43:52 (Lisp Aug 19 06:44:02 Machine coprocessor for a nubus Mac Aug 19 06:47:40 fuck everything Aug 19 06:55:24 http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/18/rip-webos-hp-kills-off-its-mobile-operating-system/ Aug 19 06:55:28 Double You Tee Eff Aug 19 07:26:43 Hm Aug 19 07:26:57 Ari Jaaksi says on twitter though "We will continue webOS platform full speed" Aug 19 07:31:11 Hendikins: going to take it back? Aug 19 07:36:58 rwhitby: Yeah, I'll be doing that. As much as I like the device, what little trust I had left has just evaporated. Aug 19 07:37:39 * Hendikins was just having a chat to the franchisee at HN Broadway about it. Aug 19 07:37:53 anything they knew? Aug 19 07:39:23 Their position was as much "WTF?" as ours. Aug 19 07:39:33 And they're pissed off. Aug 19 07:40:39 I might pick one up again later when (if?) the fire sales start online, but after this it definitely isn't worth RRP to me. Aug 19 08:03:01 hmmm, HP getting out of webos "devices".. maybe licensing the OS though? odd and definitely somewhat surprising Aug 19 08:14:26 or probably sold the whole personal business out? Aug 19 08:15:43 yeah no more PC's after them talking about their scale so recently sounds really crazy Aug 19 08:16:14 I find it hard to believe that people just don't buy PC's anymore because of iPad Aug 19 08:18:51 they do but it wont be that profitable anymore in the future Aug 19 08:23:00 You should have been here 10 hours ago - lots of talking :) Aug 19 08:23:41 But there are some interesting potential suitors that have been listed: Amazon, Facebook, HTC, Samsung. And even Intel. Aug 19 08:23:51 And I guess a few more - who knows. Aug 19 08:27:16 * cwayne drools over HTC hardware with webos Aug 19 08:51:23 * rwhitby still prefers a physical keyboard Aug 19 08:53:10 rwhitby: there have been lots of good HTC phones with keyboards though Aug 19 08:53:22 rwhitby: or do you mean re tablet vs PC? Aug 19 08:55:27 I think HP should just open-source the webOS. They wont earn any money with it anyways after that announcement Aug 19 09:06:36 The webOS lives! Aug 19 09:07:34 in our memories :,( Aug 19 09:08:57 folks Aug 19 09:09:04 I forgot how to unlock a pre Aug 19 09:09:08 I mean sim unlock Aug 19 09:09:21 I did that with my Pre Plus a while ago — would like to do it as well with my Pre 2 Aug 19 09:09:36 involved typing something like "dev2000" or something :) Aug 19 09:10:10 Morning all Aug 19 09:11:12 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Aug 19 09:11:16 webos20090606 Aug 19 09:11:23 *found* :) Aug 19 09:41:04 Hi guys, I just read about the death of WebOS - is this true? No more WebOS devices at all? The end? Aug 19 09:43:15 yep Aug 19 09:43:19 its true Aug 19 09:43:38 :( Aug 19 09:45:42 maybe licencing to other manufactors but wouldn bet on it Aug 19 09:46:07 but no devices from hp at all in the future Aug 19 09:47:17 opensourcing might be only way to get life in webos, even if theyre licensing it for someone else its not gonna work very well Aug 19 09:47:34 yeah Aug 19 09:48:24 i hope they ship my pre-ordered pre3 anyway Aug 19 09:48:48 now when google is taking tighter grip in android by closing it and making motorola phones, many manufacturers would like to have modern os on their devices, other than android Aug 19 09:49:19 hucksy: haha, I ordered my hp touchpad couple days ago Aug 19 09:49:29 Still tempted to pick one up Aug 19 09:49:46 but dunno, altought I would still buy it after announcement Aug 19 09:50:22 touchpad is available here in germany, but i hope they dont cancel the pre 3 lounch now Aug 19 09:50:30 Ive heard it is laggyish, but I bit tinker and overclock it if needed :P Aug 19 09:50:47 i *need* the pre3 :) Aug 19 09:52:43 *launch Aug 19 10:06:08 tabasko: Apparently the 3.0.2 update makes it much better, and/or the Preware patch set that apparently makes it much snappier. Aug 19 10:06:12 hucksy: pre3 would be nice, too bad I cannot have it with scandinavic keyboard layout :) Aug 19 10:06:28 gokr: nice! Aug 19 10:06:30 I am also buying on on sunday (in Edinburgh, if I can find one in the shops there). Aug 19 10:06:59 (I am swedish) Aug 19 10:07:34 I have a Pre 2 and while it does have quite a few annoyances I really love it. Aug 19 10:07:52 gokr: Im finn, are you okay with fact that you cannot purchace webos apps from hp catalog? Aug 19 10:08:16 KInda funny, I was going to present some dev stuff about Enyo etc next week in Edinburgh - but this kinda took out some of the "wind" :) Aug 19 10:08:38 Well, it is indeed a bit sad that I can't. Aug 19 10:08:40 :( Aug 19 10:09:28 Free apps are there, well, those not restricted by region. And of course the Preware catalog is there :) Aug 19 10:09:42 thats true :) Aug 19 10:09:59 So it depends on how much "app shopping" you were planning. Aug 19 10:10:27 And I think one can "hack around it" but not sure how easy it is. Aug 19 10:10:49 gokr: not much, my touchpad will be usually on couch for surfing and email reading. Of course couple fun apps would be nice sometimes Aug 19 10:11:14 The email app is said to be really good on the TP. Aug 19 10:11:42 I did have a TP on order from Amazon but cancelled it because it was taking forever to ship and I wanted it before sunday. Aug 19 10:12:10 Amazon does ship using UPS, and the price was fair. Aug 19 10:12:24 I did get the accessories though :) Aug 19 10:12:56 Where did you order yours? Eurostore? Aug 19 10:13:25 I bought it from ebay.co.uk. Pretty cautious about delivering tought, seller did have good feedbacks etc. But still Aug 19 10:13:54 Its supposed to be new one, but lets see :D Aug 19 10:15:02 email app on emulator was really nice, and whole webos with cards was reason I decided to order TP Aug 19 10:17:10 Yeah, I really like the gestures, thumb flipping style on the Pre 2. Multitasks great etc. Aug 19 10:17:15 gokr: by the way, do you know is it possible to install scandinavic keyboard layout on TP? Aug 19 10:17:23 trought preware or so Aug 19 10:17:28 Hopefully the prices will drop shortly and I can pick one up :) Aug 19 10:17:46 or is the whole keyboard thingy closed so it is not possible Aug 19 10:17:55 It sounds like it should be something patchable, I mean, they must already have different layouts, right? Aug 19 10:18:07 Nah, probably patchable. Aug 19 10:18:27 Haven't looked though. Aug 19 10:18:37 lets see, Im going to tinker it bit when(if) it arrives :P Aug 19 10:19:00 If you do fix layout I am all ears :) Aug 19 10:19:16 (goran at krampe.se) Aug 19 10:19:57 Ill try, but Im not superior hacker :) Aug 19 10:23:22 "it will not be editable due to it being tightly integrated within the Luna system manager, which is compiled code." Aug 19 10:23:37 thats from webOS application engineer Aug 19 10:23:38 ouch Aug 19 10:24:18 yeah, I can't believe they implemented it that way Aug 19 10:24:40 amateurish Aug 19 10:25:51 because that it might be annoying to try make custom keyboard app for webos, like there is in android Aug 19 10:27:18 waiting for HP to shut down the AppCatalog... (so why did I start developing a webOS app a year ago?!) Aug 19 10:31:05 If HP is really trying to find a licensee, I would think the last thing they would want to do is alienate all current webos users. Aug 19 10:32:01 Like all things they buggered up the announcement. Aug 19 10:32:35 Should have left it a little longer until they at least had some contracts with htc/samsung ect to be signed Aug 19 10:32:48 would have kept public/developer confidence in the platform up Aug 19 10:33:30 I can't think of a company interested in licensing webOS Aug 19 10:43:47 tabasko: Probably because they wanted really snappy responsiveness. Aug 19 11:20:35 am I alone this morning? Aug 19 11:29:51 na Aug 19 11:29:52 im here Aug 19 11:37:29 the pre 3 will not be shipped anymore Aug 19 11:37:31 fuck Aug 19 11:37:55 launch in germany is cancled Aug 19 11:38:20 Want a Veer? I'am going to sell mine : ) brandnew (germany) Aug 19 11:38:56 nah, screen is too small ;) Aug 19 11:39:41 No, your fingers are to big - I add a knife to the kit and you can fix that by yourself.. Aug 19 11:42:12 no thanks, maybe a pre 3 from uk instead ;) Aug 19 11:44:06 Great shame we never got to see the fabled slate styled phone Aug 19 11:49:16 hey guys so what are you doing now? What will you switch too? Aug 19 11:50:55 windows 3.11 ftw Aug 19 12:03:40 how about we all start making bold moves like HP did? Aug 19 12:03:55 the "what the hell, we're jumping ship and saving what can be" moves Aug 19 12:04:21 in practice, I'm thinking of slashing the price of tasks@hand or of open sourcing it Aug 19 12:04:55 the plain idea is that doing a whole bunch of irrational moves, might accidentally spur what's needed to get something going Aug 19 12:05:15 mcahornsirup1: how much for the veer? Aug 19 12:06:10 Well, setting up an app catalog for payable apps that are avaiable *world wide* would be a neat thing for someone to do. Aug 19 12:06:17 Right now I can't buy apps, even if I wanted. Aug 19 12:07:15 And thus I can't develop apps specifically for Sweden and charge for them - because noone can buy them right now. On the other hand, in Sweden we can't buy any of the hw either... sigh. Aug 19 12:07:18 gokr: want me to send you tasks@hand? Aug 19 12:07:28 * madnificent can't buy the hardware in belgium either Aug 19 12:07:39 Sure! Not even sure what it is :) Aug 19 12:07:46 gokr: set up an alternative catalog, even if it's all "we'll try to pay you if money comes in", i'll join Aug 19 12:08:07 gokr: it's a gtd task manager Aug 19 12:08:24 How much do you charge for it? Aug 19 12:08:58 I intend to (crazy I know) buy a TP16 on sunday when I get to Edinburgh. Hope I can find one. Aug 19 12:09:15 relatively much actually, it used to be 2.99 euro and something something dollar Aug 19 12:09:38 gokr, eh, what? Aug 19 12:09:43 May I ask boldly how many you have sold? Would be interesting to know. Aug 19 12:09:55 phoque_uni: ehrm? Aug 19 12:10:09 sure, buy one. but wait until they're completely worthless Aug 19 12:10:12 in a few weeks or months Aug 19 12:10:21 they're complete overpriced now Aug 19 12:10:26 *completely Aug 19 12:10:33 gokr: 190, most of which in the introductory period (it was 2.49 dollar and 1.99 euro back then) Aug 19 12:11:06 gokr: that's better than what my android friends could do, but it's still horrible Aug 19 12:11:12 Right. Aug 19 12:11:49 but now I'm thinking, let's place the comma somewhere else Aug 19 12:12:24 in following HP, making bold moves should be quite ok :) Aug 19 12:12:38 ow fuck... Aug 19 12:12:43 I'M NOT ALLOWED TO?! Aug 19 12:12:57 To do what? Lower the price? Aug 19 12:13:33 the minimal is 0.99, I wanted to ask 0.39 Aug 19 12:14:01 Is there an option where you offer the buyer to choose what to pay? Aug 19 12:14:13 That would be neat, "Pay what you think it is worth" kinda thing. Aug 19 12:14:18 not yet, but if you make that in the app catalog, I'll join Aug 19 12:14:47 in short, I think I'll do my best to join in on anything crazy enough to further disrupt the view people have of webos Aug 19 12:15:05 Perhaps add payment option to Preware? Aug 19 12:15:31 I'm thinking of making my app free with donation option Aug 19 12:15:51 gokr: if you can do that, then I'll join in Aug 19 12:16:51 What about the in app payments? Anyone knows if that can be used for in app donation? Aug 19 12:17:06 But of course, still would only work for a subset of the word. Aug 19 12:17:11 world. Aug 19 12:17:26 gokr, madnificent: that'll all take time to implement. are you sure you want to invest any more into this platform? Aug 19 12:17:46 Just thinking out loud :) Aug 19 12:17:52 phoque_uni: no, but what I've written may as well go used by those that have the devices at the moment Aug 19 12:18:09 phoque_uni: if the platform lives on, I'll keep using it, and I will need software... so I'll likely write it Aug 19 12:19:01 HP really screwed the few people that went out and bought a touchpad Aug 19 12:19:12 I doubt the pad will be getting doc editing now Aug 19 12:19:19 madnificent, or switch to another platform that already has the software you need :-) Aug 19 12:19:41 phoque_uni, that's what i did Aug 19 12:21:01 Deihmos, I'll probably do so too Aug 19 12:21:11 madnificent, I wouldn't expect the platform to survive this. Aug 19 12:21:49 madnificent: Regarding payments reaching the whole world - flattr is an interesting option. Aug 19 12:22:15 It barely managed to stay alive when things were looking brighter Aug 19 12:22:39 Btw, when people say "doc editing", what are they refering to more specifically? MS office docs or? Aug 19 12:24:58 MS office docs. Like the docs to go that was suppose to come to the Pre and never happened Aug 19 12:25:44 webos is the only smartphone OS that lacks such a feature. Even windows phone 7 has it Aug 19 12:28:42 why would you do document editing on a phone Aug 19 12:29:52 phoque_uni: the phone needs to be good to work with. the fluid interaction with webos is unsurpassed Aug 19 12:30:16 madnificent, that's great and all... still nobody uses it. Aug 19 12:30:27 :-) Aug 19 12:30:45 gokr: flattr sounds nice, but apparently, it's a mess Aug 19 12:30:49 So do we have a formal announcement of future plans yet Aug 19 12:31:21 CTLAdvance: I don't think they really have the plans... and if they do, then they're messing with us and then I AM jumping ship Aug 19 12:32:32 I got an iphone back in March.... so now I am just trying to figure out if I should keep the touchpad and continue to make apps on it (using phonegap, not exclusively) or send it back Aug 19 12:34:24 CTLAdvance, send it back Aug 19 12:34:34 thats what I am thinking Aug 19 12:34:35 sales are bad and will be even worse after this Aug 19 12:35:01 sales will probably stop by EOY for the most part Aug 19 12:39:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaeOXyA7wo0 haha Aug 19 12:43:01 CTLAdvance: I guess I'd send it back as well Aug 19 12:49:33 pretty quiet here considering Aug 19 12:51:12 there is nothing worth to write about ;) sad day *dumbfounded* Aug 19 12:51:31 I can't say that I am really. Aug 19 12:51:56 sold my pre 2 yesterday, at I least I got something out of the deal.. Aug 19 12:52:43 I'm not sure if I should opensource my app, or/and continue development... Aug 19 12:52:55 I'll probably wait and see what happens Aug 19 12:54:35 hey, how's this day treating you guys? Aug 19 12:55:00 pissed off... Aug 19 12:57:25 +1 Aug 19 12:58:01 Hehe, I laughed like crazy when watching that Hitler thing. Brilliant! Aug 19 12:58:02 and you even weren't here yesterday when jt all happened... we were running like beheaded hens all over the place :-( Aug 19 12:58:44 madnificent: Perhaps some other micro payment thingy? Carrot.org? Aug 19 12:59:12 * gokr trying to work... Aug 19 13:02:10 gokr: I'm not picky, just saying that others said it didn't work nice on the receiving end Aug 19 13:02:19 but as I'm not really receiving, it's not that important for me Aug 19 13:02:40 pc-world: I lowered my price Aug 19 13:03:27 madnificent: my app is not even in the app catalog, I invested about 10 months in development and I'm in beta now Aug 19 13:03:28 ok the 10.1 is now charging Aug 19 13:03:44 my app would have been ready for first release within a few months Aug 19 13:03:54 what kinda app? Aug 19 13:04:05 pc-world - phonegap it and launch on android/ios Aug 19 13:04:27 CTLAdvance: yes, I should have done it cross-platform, but I didn't Aug 19 13:04:36 so convert it Aug 19 13:04:37 Bmyers: full-featured FTP client for webOS 2 Aug 19 13:04:47 you can still launch on webos as well Aug 19 13:04:56 CTLAdvance: That would be like starting from scratch Aug 19 13:05:06 HP hasn't killed the app catalog....... Aug 19 13:05:10 yet Aug 19 13:05:25 NuttyBunny_TP: but HP killed the customers Aug 19 13:06:11 yep, I know, I'm just trying to be as positive as I can be at this moment... Aug 19 13:06:50 there isnt much positive, I would recommend repacking into phonegap then deploy that on webOS IOS and Android Aug 19 13:07:14 was your app mostly mojo Aug 19 13:07:18 I feel like Hitler on the video... *sign* Aug 19 13:07:27 pc-world: ouch, what is it? Aug 19 13:07:32 maybe we could try to package Mojo to get it work on other platforms, I think nobody cares about copyright in terms of webOS anymore Aug 19 13:07:51 CTLAdvance: yeah, Mojo and a C++ plugin Aug 19 13:07:59 mine was enyo at least. It was near completion, well there were 3 coming , 2 almost finished, one on the drawing board... Aug 19 13:08:19 you can run Enyo on other platforms Aug 19 13:08:20 ouch Aug 19 13:08:30 but with Mojo that would be a bit more complicated Aug 19 13:08:37 yeah Aug 19 13:08:40 mojo is a mess Aug 19 13:08:46 and I only developed an FTP client for webOS because there was none yet Aug 19 13:08:52 you will need to write alot of it again Aug 19 13:08:55 on Android/iOS there are enough FTP clients Aug 19 13:08:59 but its still oprobably your best bet Aug 19 13:09:27 TO THE DRAWERING BOARD! Aug 19 13:09:39 ; Aug 19 13:09:41 phoque_uni: hitler be funny Aug 19 13:09:53 can you use something like C++ plugins in PhoneGap? Aug 19 13:12:43 and to think that I had to learn to do a proper node.js service for my app... argh Aug 19 13:13:01 NuttyBunny: what app? Aug 19 13:13:12 photofun Aug 19 13:13:51 just to create a fucking directory, because the one that gets created with tne download manager doesn't get the proper permissions... Aug 19 13:13:58 lol Aug 19 13:14:07 IO isn't well done in webOS Aug 19 13:14:11 at least I got a free Pre 2 from HP and didn't have to pay for it Aug 19 13:14:20 NuttyBunny_TP: shhh don't say fuck, you might get yelled at Aug 19 13:14:53 pc-world: Pre Plus, Pre 2, Pixi Plus, Sprint Pre and 3wGb TouchPad here :D Aug 19 13:15:11 cwayne: I meant fsck ;-) Aug 19 13:15:17 payed yourself? Aug 19 13:15:31 NuttyBunny_TP: fsck yeah. Aug 19 13:15:51 I payed 230 € about 330 USD for a Pre Minus 1,5 years ago Aug 19 13:16:15 pc-world: No, only for my original Pre-, on Telcel, about $450. The others were dev devices, and the Pixi was donated from the comunity to make the 2.1 Pixi thing Aug 19 13:16:31 (by) Aug 19 13:17:05 I really hope they give TouchPads away to us devs now that they don't really want to sell it to customers anymore Aug 19 13:17:37 like they did with the Pre2s Aug 19 13:18:20 I have a loaner now, if I dont hear anything like that in the near future, it will be sent back Aug 19 13:18:21 yeah, i hope they do that. i need to recoup some costs Aug 19 13:18:31 I'll take a couple of TouchPad Go's and a couple of Pre3's please ;-) Aug 19 13:18:32 now I am happy I didnt buy one out right Aug 19 13:19:09 Nothing like getting your community to stump for you then punching them in the gut ;) Aug 19 13:19:14 the bad thing is that loaner devices are US/Canada only Aug 19 13:21:20 PreCentral is now officially a useless wasteland Aug 19 13:22:18 pc-world: There were optikns, you just had to talk to your dev rel people. They sent me the TP to Mexico even when there were no decicss being sold or announced here. Aug 19 13:22:51 NuttyBunny: a loaner device? Aug 19 13:25:29 pc-world: I never had the chance to get a clear response from my dev rel guy, at this very moment I still don't if it was a loaner or sort like a gift, and I may never know... I only know that I asked for it to test my near finished app, and they did sent Aug 19 13:25:29 it to me Aug 19 13:26:15 lol, that sounds good Aug 19 13:26:30 who was your devrel mgr? Aug 19 13:27:21 and was that before they set up their (imo stupid) device discount program? Aug 19 13:29:18 Adam Danielski, I just got it on monday!, and I even got my coupon for the discounts..., in case I wanted other TouchPads to be shipped to the US Aug 19 13:30:04 had him too for my Pre 2 Aug 19 13:30:36 I may have never received it if I didn't have written a mail to Richard Kerris Aug 19 13:34:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaeOXyA7wo0&feature=share Aug 19 13:36:10 So, we got FB, Twitter, we won't get G+, Whatsapp, PingChat, Shazam, Fruit Ninja, Plants vs Zombies, Capcom games, Kinami games... nothing, what we have is what we'll have unless a HW manufacturer jumps in... *sigh* Aug 19 13:36:50 Ah, yeah, foursquare too :) Aug 19 13:37:02 what HW manufacturer would be seriously interested in webOS? I think none Aug 19 13:37:30 That's the reason I said "unless" Aug 19 13:39:24 any one that's afraid of googlerola or microkia Aug 19 13:41:01 Damn, the OS is there, some of the apps are there... why manufacturers are so afraid? :( Aug 19 13:42:40 because webOS failed many times already Aug 19 13:44:19 Rubinstein it may have been better Aug 19 13:44:24 *without Rubinstein Aug 19 13:51:48 I think Sony Ericsson could be a good candidate Aug 19 13:52:52 look at their market. They used to have the tech phones. Slightly different from the rest, but just damned good. And always relatively free (connected to unix easily). But they started loosing sales because they didn't have an acceptable smartphone offering Aug 19 13:55:17 madnificent: yeah, but they've got their playstation os that they're working on Aug 19 13:55:58 has Webos ever had a single success? Aug 19 13:58:17 Deihmos: I bought it... for me that's a success Aug 19 13:58:17 in being awesome, yes Aug 19 13:58:50 I can't think of anything successful since the platform launched Aug 19 13:58:56 never got any market share Aug 19 13:58:59 palm went under Aug 19 13:59:09 Hp throwing in the towel Aug 19 14:00:20 madnificent: i like SE also... and their Android handsets aren't really that great Aug 19 14:00:29 they have the sony carl zeiss connection for good optics... Aug 19 14:00:37 and they used to make Palm OS handsets Aug 19 14:00:46 that would be kind of epic Aug 19 14:02:41 * HattCzech_work cries quietly in the corner Aug 19 14:02:51 and SE has something that Nokia has: people that used to buy it, want to buy it again Aug 19 14:02:59 i was looking forward to the developer incentives Aug 19 14:03:19 nokia would be the easiest candidate at that. they seem to have the biggest customer loyalty (at least in belgium it seems to be the case). Aug 19 14:03:23 i need to stop thinking about this... that Sony Ericcson thing is too awesome for words Aug 19 14:03:36 * kevets used to own a T39 and R520 Ericcson Aug 19 14:03:53 but microsoft has nokia in their pocket, right? Aug 19 14:03:55 kevets: I had three, I think, the last being a k750i Aug 19 14:04:07 kevets: make that the other way around :) Aug 19 14:04:15 those were sweet Aug 19 14:05:06 HPQ apparently has lost 20% on the stock market Aug 19 14:05:39 as a sideline comment: i'm confident that mark hurd would've succeeded in his plans. they shouldn't have fired him Aug 19 14:06:07 I'm really unhappy, this should not be affecting me this way Aug 19 14:06:48 hm, any updates since yesterday? Aug 19 14:07:37 so many what-if scenarios bouncing around in my head Aug 19 14:08:18 I'm not willing to bank on what-ifs anymore Aug 19 14:08:27 I tried that, and HP eviscerated us anyway Aug 19 14:09:07 summatusmentis: we all feel that way Aug 19 14:09:22 no, I know Aug 19 14:09:23 with all this ramp up and developer days... what should we have expected? Aug 19 14:09:29 yeah im trying not to put much stock in any of these ideas Aug 19 14:09:33 we thought things were ramping up Aug 19 14:09:46 well, as has been said, the webOS people didn't know Aug 19 14:09:47 yeah "we're doubling down on webos" Aug 19 14:09:55 apparently no one knew except the top execs Aug 19 14:10:12 And to think there was to be a webOS connect event in Mexico, perhaps meaning new hardware oming out way... Aug 19 14:16:01 summatusmentis, twbbas_, IGNTNUNLMTD: preware feed updated Aug 19 14:16:08 “In the tablet world, we’re going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus.” Aug 19 14:16:43 in this whole ordeal, we absolutely can't blame Palm GBU... it's all HP management's fault Aug 19 14:16:49 Palm GBU found out at the same time we did Aug 19 14:16:51 Agreed Aug 19 14:17:05 Leo Apotheker as the aptitude of a 6 year old Aug 19 14:17:08 has* Aug 19 14:17:25 IGNTNUNLMTD: doesn't mean it doesn't suck any less Aug 19 14:17:29 true Aug 19 14:17:35 no fault, but what are we supposed to do? Aug 19 14:17:37 In hindsight if they had announced licensing 9 months ago the os might be in a better position. Aug 19 14:17:45 much Aug 19 14:17:50 I'm still praying for HTC Aug 19 14:17:53 likewise Aug 19 14:17:55 particularly those of you who are actually developers Aug 19 14:17:58 I love HTC Aug 19 14:17:58 instead of just pretending Aug 19 14:18:09 yeah, I know Aug 19 14:18:21 crap, it's late, I should've left 15 mins ago from this starbucks :) Aug 19 14:18:28 I know it's what none of us want to hear, but wait a few weeks before making any jump Aug 19 14:18:29 * Tibfib praying for amazon Aug 19 14:18:46 wait for a concrete announcement Aug 19 14:18:52 IGNTNUNLMTD: you think they'll have something figure out in a few weeks? Aug 19 14:19:01 I think we'll hear something Aug 19 14:19:03 for sure Aug 19 14:19:03 I'm buying the first WP7 that catches my fancy Aug 19 14:19:08 a concrete announcement may be 18 months away, according to what was said yesterday Aug 19 14:19:12 which will probably be a little later in the fall Aug 19 14:19:17 I only have one choice in that department, Tibfib Aug 19 14:19:23 the HTC Trophy Aug 19 14:19:26 :-( Aug 19 14:19:30 I wanted a HW keyboard Aug 19 14:19:53 I'm gonna wait and see what happens, I may FrankenPre2 for a while, we'll see Aug 19 14:20:07 but there's absolutely nothing on the market that excites me as much as webOS did Aug 19 14:20:10 dell venue pro is PERFECT Aug 19 14:20:14 except for it sucks apparently Aug 19 14:20:33 didn't they just kill the 5" venue pro? Aug 19 14:20:47 dell streak? Aug 19 14:21:09 oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking of Aug 19 14:21:18 I don't know, I hear dell and I stop listening, generally Aug 19 14:22:23 the form factor is perfect Aug 19 14:24:21 Right idea, wrong execution. Bit like Palm and HP :P Aug 19 14:24:44 yeah Aug 19 14:24:50 bbl Aug 19 14:25:03 I'm honestly kinda hoping the rumors of iPhone5 coming to sprint are true Aug 19 14:26:20 hmm looks like htc webos is in the lead over sony webos - http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=htc+webos&word2=sony+webos Aug 19 14:26:25 i'm really grasping here lol Aug 19 14:27:31 you know, google fight will be the only factor in that decision process Aug 19 14:27:52 lol Aug 19 14:27:58 both HTC and HP really only care about how many hits phrases get on google Aug 19 14:28:45 i just punched in 'android' and 'webos' and android broke the site logic... it says webos "won" with over 4million results, when android had 162million Aug 19 14:30:15 kevets: because we're vastly cooler! Aug 19 14:33:05 can someone point me to details about how to get Spaz into the Preware feeds? Aug 19 14:36:28 I think you need to talk to rod Aug 19 14:37:53 word Aug 19 14:37:55 will do Aug 19 14:38:56 I _believe_ you get commit access to their repos, then there's probably a way to mark it as "build" Aug 19 14:39:13 they've got a whole build/feed system setup so they don't need to think about it Aug 19 14:39:23 but he'll know more Aug 19 14:44:48 right Aug 19 14:49:48 funkatron: yo Aug 19 14:49:51 i can help you with that Aug 19 14:50:04 oh awesome Aug 19 14:50:34 I expected a black ribon on the channel Aug 19 14:51:12 SimpsonTP: the wosi flag is flying at half mast Aug 19 14:51:13 mentally Aug 19 14:51:48 funkatron: clone git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build Aug 19 14:51:56 funkatron: is spaz all js? Aug 19 14:52:02 PuffTheMagic: yeppers Aug 19 14:52:58 unbanned from Engadget... I should have listened to them the first time Aug 19 14:53:08 look in the apps dir at something like jstop Aug 19 14:53:19 you could copy/rename the jstop dir Aug 19 14:53:27 then tweak the makefile for Spaz Aug 19 14:55:57 I'm pretty happy I didn't fall for the pre2 rebate I got Aug 19 14:56:48 PuffTheMagic: coolio. I guess I would need to ask for commit access then? or is there a patch submission process? Aug 19 14:59:05 funkatron: if your git tags are not in the form v Aug 19 14:59:11 you need to do something else Aug 19 14:59:17 nerp? Aug 19 14:59:21 i can set up up with commit access after u get it working Aug 19 14:59:32 I gotcha. will look into it when I have a sec. that tagging is fine Aug 19 15:01:45 Why do some people think that webos phones will quit working when "the server is shut off"? That makes no sense to me. Aug 19 15:01:58 Talking about palm profiles i assume? Aug 19 15:02:15 i think they can afford to keep the "the server" online for quite a while Aug 19 15:02:42 ok but hypothetically i guess if the palm profile servers were unavailable it would cause some problems Aug 19 15:02:56 new phone activiation would probably be kind of a bleh Aug 19 15:03:00 =[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ Aug 19 15:03:07 * kevets shudders at the thought Aug 19 15:03:24 if i recall correctly though, Aug 19 15:03:31 word of advice guys, don't listen to sappy love songs right now Aug 19 15:03:31 i think i setup my girlfriend's pre offline Aug 19 15:03:32 there would have to be some sort of hack for offline profiles i guess? wonder if thats being looked at Aug 19 15:03:34 by just saying no Aug 19 15:03:35 ? Aug 19 15:03:49 i know metadoctor can get around activation and what not Aug 19 15:04:02 that would be the way to go i guess and just use it 'profileless' Aug 19 15:04:14 yeah Aug 19 15:04:19 i mean, it's still just a phone Aug 19 15:04:25 i imagine if you stuff a sim chip in there and kick it Aug 19 15:04:27 something will happen Aug 19 15:04:33 yeah fxspec06 be sure to avoid the phil collins section on spotify Aug 19 15:04:35 I just returned the 2 TouchPads we bought at Staples 2 weeks ago Aug 19 15:04:44 the phone is just a phone..... my work is not just a phone Aug 19 15:04:45 snap Aug 19 15:04:46 My brother just upgraded to Android Aug 19 15:04:48 my work is my work. my time Aug 19 15:04:56 my investment Aug 19 15:04:59 my life Aug 19 15:05:07 fxspec06: i'm sorry that HP raped you Aug 19 15:05:34 how many apps have you worked on fxspec06? Aug 19 15:05:37 * kevets is just a user Aug 19 15:05:42 I'm seriously considering frankenpreing my pre 2 now Aug 19 15:05:48 i have three in the catalog right now Aug 19 15:05:48 Does anyone have experience with that? Aug 19 15:06:32 and i was very much depending on the touchpad, pre3, and veer to give me some money Aug 19 15:06:49 like, kind of a lot of money. to buy more things to keep developing Aug 19 15:06:53 well especially if you are good, the cream rises to the top with the good apps Aug 19 15:07:03 well my app is very goo Aug 19 15:07:22 but how many sales did i lose yesterday Aug 19 15:07:29 10,000? Aug 19 15:07:32 I keep trying to think up in my mind a way that this OS can continue Aug 19 15:07:33 100,000? Aug 19 15:07:41 like seriously Aug 19 15:07:45 over the course of 2 years Aug 19 15:07:52 with a hardware company that actually knows their a** from a hole in the ground Aug 19 15:07:57 hp just killed 1,000 - 10,000 - 100,000 Aug 19 15:08:00 sales* Aug 19 15:08:04 fxspec06: more like 100, sales weren't going to go high soon :) Aug 19 15:08:09 10,000 sales? hahahah Aug 19 15:08:10 :) Aug 19 15:08:27 just being wishful Aug 19 15:08:31 welp. Aug 19 15:08:42 i think HP pretty much signed the death warrant when they decided to try to displace the iPad in the US market. Aug 19 15:08:48 that was a goal that was just not going to happen anytime soon Aug 19 15:09:07 very, very expensive, and 0% chance of success Aug 19 15:09:09 I don't feel they tried to do that at all. at least it didn't seem lik eit Aug 19 15:09:12 fxspec06: hey that's good! you were going to spend the money you earned on dev tools, but now you don't need the tools anymore! all work saved \o/ (sigh) Aug 19 15:09:16 it felt like they really were gunning for #2 Aug 19 15:09:22 ugh Aug 19 15:09:22 but since #2 was haaaaaaard Aug 19 15:09:24 they just gave up Aug 19 15:09:40 #2 wasn't going to happen with 10 mil different android tablets being designed Aug 19 15:09:46 that market is locked on this continent. try europe Aug 19 15:10:20 WAAF boston is playing sad songs right now. they just played that 3 doors down song when you're gone, now it's 'what it's like' by everlast Aug 19 15:10:43 where's the angry music. i need to smash things Aug 19 15:11:02 fxspec06, smash a coworker's iPad ;) Aug 19 15:11:08 for me the the major fail was the announcement of the new devices, and then needing to wait like 5 months to touch them Aug 19 15:11:13 it's also possible that there just weren't enough fart apps Aug 19 15:11:34 needed more beer chugging Aug 19 15:11:34 the backbone of any successful app marketplace Aug 19 15:11:43 a phone announced by any other vendor 5 months ago is already outdated Aug 19 15:12:13 SimpsonTP: hardware was ready, software wasn't, that killed webOS since the Pre- Aug 19 15:12:39 i wonder if i can pick up a couple of cheap pres for travel use now, though Aug 19 15:12:39 nutty, i wish there was coworkers to smash Aug 19 15:12:41 * esser looks around Aug 19 15:12:43 I don't care which way around, but if you can't deliver, then don't announce Aug 19 15:12:52 but it's just me myself and i Aug 19 15:13:08 I was hoping they would ditch the devices for low prices indeed Aug 19 15:13:34 what to do when the platform that brought you crumbles beneath your feet Aug 19 15:14:17 ok i'm not unsympathetic, but, can you all seriously tell me you didn't suspect this might be coming? Aug 19 15:14:21 i mean, the sales were awful. Aug 19 15:14:31 esser: maybe like 6-12 months from now Aug 19 15:14:40 not a nuking 49 days in Aug 19 15:14:52 especially when they just didn't even try Aug 19 15:14:58 yeah but 6 to 12 months in wouldn't have left you off any better. Aug 19 15:15:05 why should we have suspected this? please, tell me where HP indicated this would have happened Aug 19 15:15:08 oh, they tried. i'm guessing someone at HP bet their career on the touchpad Aug 19 15:15:10 and it tanked Aug 19 15:15:19 and then the entire appendage was cut off Aug 19 15:15:25 fxspec06, "HP didnt buy Palm to get into the smartphone market" :-D Aug 19 15:15:25 someone commented that this smells like a hollywood takeover. New CEO comes in, sets up old CEO's plans to fail, when they fail blame it on the predecessor and do new business Aug 19 15:15:41 coulda waited a month on the launch to simultaneously drop with the pre3 Aug 19 15:16:01 esser: hurd did Aug 19 15:16:20 dc - thats what I think Aug 19 15:16:37 dcousineau: but hurd is smarter than most ceo's out there Aug 19 15:16:38 i began developing when **HP** sent me a DEVELOPER pre2 Aug 19 15:16:50 I believe this is also why ap wants to get out of hw business Aug 19 15:16:51 it would be one thing if webOS was a steaming turd from the start.... but it was really the best mobile OS out there in terms of functionality Aug 19 15:16:54 hes a software guy Aug 19 15:16:55 perhaps smart isn't the correct word, it's too broad. hurd has a lot of vision Aug 19 15:17:08 i had never developed before. i invested all my time and work. ALL OF IT. from the last 5 months. 6 months. every waking minute. to developing for webos. Aug 19 15:17:12 and now this. Aug 19 15:17:41 fxspec06: then you're in the perfect position to start building a foss alternative to webos Aug 19 15:17:45 RWings19 - User Experience Maybe, functionality - no Aug 19 15:19:01 AP only goal is to take on Oracle, which is what he failed at in SAP Aug 19 15:19:06 will probably fail again Aug 19 15:19:21 oracle is best ignored. Aug 19 15:19:24 just talking to them infects you Aug 19 15:19:31 fail I should not say, more like stole ip and then got the company sued Aug 19 15:19:52 I dont see any issues with oracle Aug 19 15:19:57 they make good database products Aug 19 15:19:59 period Aug 19 15:20:03 Cast your vote http://polldaddy.com/poll/5437193/ Aug 19 15:20:04 :) Aug 19 15:20:40 i believe they already announced that they would open webos for licensing Aug 19 15:21:13 and with the android patent scariness right now, that might actually happen Aug 19 15:21:17 but probably not at a huge scale Aug 19 15:21:26 that was pre-announcement though wasn't it? Aug 19 15:21:43 funkatron: we got you covered for commit access, don't sweat it Aug 19 15:21:52 rwhitby: cool thx Aug 19 15:22:03 eh its just a fun little poll anyway. really any of those options except "just shut it down" sound good Aug 19 15:22:06 esser: we won't see devices until next year. what now Aug 19 15:22:14 fxspec06: I walked away from web developing more than 6 years ago, I returned to do an app for the Pre, then I got my dev Pre+, Pre2, then came webOS 3, I started development on another 3 apps, for TP, asked for it, got it, and 2 days later.. bam!! :( Aug 19 15:22:17 funkatron: just don't got putting cuss words in preware random subtitles, ok? Aug 19 15:22:32 hahaha Aug 19 15:22:34 *swears* Aug 19 15:22:47 NuttyBunny =[ Aug 19 15:23:28 fxspec06: ok, again, i am not unsympathetic, but, if your time is an extremely valuable resource, betting it on an offering which is still trying to penetrate the market, and is experiencing extremely heavy competition, was also not a wise investment decision on your part. i understand the anger, but it was definitely always a strong possiblity that you'd lose 100% of your investment. Aug 19 15:23:34 and right now I'm looking at a guy, next to me, showing off his iPad that he just bought... *sigh* Aug 19 15:24:07 esser, that was exactly the chicken egg problem that HP was facing Aug 19 15:24:25 noone dared to start work with it becuase there was no market etc... Aug 19 15:24:32 right. Aug 19 15:24:40 in crazy-world, if Apple had made the announcement HP made yesterday, people would be jumping off buildings. Aug 19 15:24:55 everyone's time is an extremely valuable resource Aug 19 15:25:23 i think the webos still has value Aug 19 15:25:28 yeah. let me rephrase. a resource who's efficacy is necessary for business continuity. Aug 19 15:25:37 i unfortunately do not run a large device manufacturing company Aug 19 15:25:44 i'm just a kid still. 23 is young. i have needs, wants, responsibilities, just as much as everyone else Aug 19 15:25:49 lol did you see this Aug 19 15:26:04 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/was-webos-tested-on-an-ipad-done-in-by-its-slower-hardware/ Aug 19 15:26:16 webos was tested on ipad2 and it failed on touchpad hw Aug 19 15:26:22 lool Aug 19 15:26:43 yeah, that's an awful, inaccurate article Aug 19 15:27:57 do you know that they didnt test it on an ipad 2 Aug 19 15:28:10 I could see why the concept is interesting. Aug 19 15:28:17 CTLAdvance: Oracle is horrible Aug 19 15:28:32 All that says to me is give the Touchpad some A9 chips or whatever chips and we'd have a real device war on our hands Aug 19 15:28:35 its only horrible if you cant afford to pay for support Aug 19 15:28:41 again... give us some real hardware! Aug 19 15:28:59 a hardware platform takes tens of millions of dollars to alter. Aug 19 15:29:13 lol techcrunch Aug 19 15:29:14 well webOS lags in general, so the article for what it is is pointless.... but the thought that they tested it on an ipad2 is interesting Aug 19 15:29:15 http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/18/apple-wins-without-throwing-a-punch/ Aug 19 15:29:16 CTLAdvance: it's clearly bs. I'll bet you money they simply ran an Enyo app in the iOS pbrowser. Aug 19 15:29:24 if you screw it up the first time around, it's pretty hard to fix it without recovering your investment first Aug 19 15:29:32 yup Aug 19 15:29:33 this is not a hardware issue. it's a software (webkit specifically, plus OS) issue. Aug 19 15:29:40 yes I agree Aug 19 15:29:51 and history has proven multiple times that the best technology is not always the winner Aug 19 15:29:58 yes so true Aug 19 15:30:07 betamax vs vhs Aug 19 15:30:19 dreamcast vs playstation Aug 19 15:30:28 hddvd vs bluray Aug 19 15:30:29 NT vs OS/2 Aug 19 15:30:39 VMS vs UNIX! Aug 19 15:31:16 so how technological advanced as it might be, webOS simply had the wrong backing Aug 19 15:31:31 flash disc vs cd/dvd Aug 19 15:31:34 the only small light at the end of the tunnel I see if they would go the eclipse way Aug 19 15:31:46 fxspec06, shut up on the Dreamcast :( Aug 19 15:31:48 harsh techcrunch article Aug 19 15:31:58 sorry =( Aug 19 15:32:07 the fact that they didnt pull the plug before launch screams how much trouble hp is in Aug 19 15:32:14 I still have it, I still use it... it will be the same with webOS for me Aug 19 15:32:20 when IBM VisualAge group couldn't battle Visual Studio they opensourced it all into the eclipse foundation Aug 19 15:32:45 Thats what happens when you listen to your inner fanboy or have reduced leadership that clearly doesnt see the end game Aug 19 15:33:03 or shareholders that need quick money Aug 19 15:33:05 :) Aug 19 15:36:36 oh well. i guess i'll finish up clearview best i can, add some content for wildn and hope for the best =\ Aug 19 15:36:55 i'll be exploring other developing options Aug 19 15:38:47 fxspec06: what platform? Aug 19 15:38:50 Two years of effort, both in software development and positioning myself for the group and the market tossed in the toilet because Leo wanted to make HP into a software company... and he could hardly dump the PC business if he didn't dump palm first. So, instead of investing and executing the vision, Leo decides to break the company up and dump the PC business, finially completing what was Aug 19 15:38:50 begun by firing Carly Fiorino. :-( Aug 19 15:39:28 IGNTNUNLMTD: no clue yet. phonegap looks nice, but cant afford it right now Aug 19 15:40:00 huh Aug 19 15:40:04 dude... phonegap is free Aug 19 15:40:05 there is no cost for phonegap Aug 19 15:40:07 lol Aug 19 15:40:17 titanium has a huge cost Aug 19 15:40:21 phonegap is free Aug 19 15:40:30 their cloud compiling service is costly, but not the basic package Aug 19 15:40:40 i thought titanium was free Aug 19 15:40:41 ATTENTION CHANNEL: PHONEGAP IS FREEEEE, derp Aug 19 15:40:48 no Aug 19 15:40:51 phonegap is free ? really Aug 19 15:40:56 titanium has a free version to get you hooked Aug 19 15:41:02 if you want all api;s you need to pay Aug 19 15:41:08 Titanium and PhoneGap are both open source Aug 19 15:41:24 Yes but titanium does not let you use their apis unless you pay Aug 19 15:41:29 CTLAdvance: isn't that what i would want Aug 19 15:41:32 they give you reduced functionality Aug 19 15:41:40 no, they offer additional closed-source modules. Aug 19 15:41:42 isnt what what you would want Aug 19 15:41:54 saw this over at cb Aug 19 15:41:55 http://forums.crackberry.com/blackberry-playbook-f222/webos-ran-over-twice-fast-ipad2-vs-touchpad-640372/ Aug 19 15:42:02 most of the important apis for titanium have a cost to use Aug 19 15:42:11 i think their reduced functionality is probably better th an phongap still Aug 19 15:42:12 mainly because it compiles your code into byte code Aug 19 15:42:16 i'll look over it more, i didn't know there was a free version Aug 19 15:42:23 amIwrong? Aug 19 15:42:27 yes. Aug 19 15:42:28 let me look Aug 19 15:42:58 You can pay for support, and you can pay for additional functionality via modules. Aug 19 15:43:29 http://www.appcelerator.com/products/plans-pricing/ Aug 19 15:43:36 this is the cost for appcelerator Aug 19 15:43:40 CYeong_: that article is completely fabricated and incorrect Aug 19 15:43:46 appcelerator titanium Aug 19 15:44:05 looks bs too :( but now they can sprout anything they want Aug 19 15:44:13 https://github.com/appcelerator/titanium_mobile Aug 19 15:44:21 yep, that lie will become the truth in the media Aug 19 15:44:21 https://github.com/appcelerator/titanium_mobile/blob/master/LICENSE Aug 19 15:45:33 I've worked on Titanium Mobile apps. It is open source. You do not have to pay for it. Aug 19 15:46:40 so this is interesting Aug 19 15:47:02 it's a pretty standard approach to monetizing open source: charge for value-add modules and support Aug 19 15:47:05 rwhitby: but as far as lies go, thats go positive one for webos xD Aug 19 15:48:57 oilsworkn: what, that it at least ran no less than half as fast? Aug 19 15:49:40 oh, thought the lie was that it was twice as fast Aug 19 15:49:45 * oilsworkn only read the url Aug 19 15:49:48 yes, that's the lie Aug 19 15:50:07 basically, they are comparing enyo running on safari just touchpad full OS including services Aug 19 15:50:15 s/just/versus/ Aug 19 15:50:18 lol Aug 19 15:50:58 most of these articles are completely wrong, it has nothing to do with apple, but more or less how apotheker is asoftware guy Aug 19 15:51:12 this is why HP is now going to be an enterprise software guy Aug 19 15:51:15 company Aug 19 15:51:25 go the ibm way huh Aug 19 15:51:36 thats what they are doing Aug 19 15:51:58 if it was a simple webOS thing, they wouldnt announce that they will be killing PSG Aug 19 15:52:03 just webOS Aug 19 15:52:12 though they also half assed everything Aug 19 15:52:13 * oilsworkn is hoping htc/samsunt/whoever else picks up webos Aug 19 15:52:19 my guess is the knew this months ago Aug 19 15:52:25 thats why there was no media blitz Aug 19 15:52:59 this screams windows7 slate Aug 19 15:53:12 I am wondering which one has sold more now Aug 19 15:54:15 they won't be selling hardware anymore. Aug 19 15:55:09 funkatron: i know, but they're still looking to license the os right? Aug 19 15:55:12 this is interesting funkatron Aug 19 15:55:19 (this is what i get from not really reading anything about it) Aug 19 15:56:01 oilsworkn: maybe. who knows. they would be better off selling it. Are they gonna support two OSes and make a third? Aug 19 15:56:08 (win/linux) Aug 19 15:57:11 hm Aug 19 15:57:58 They will also have windows 8 coming to compete with webOS Aug 19 15:58:24 I think that is being feared as a destroyer of android and less, not so much as ios Aug 19 15:58:56 any way to listen for a wallpaper change.. ? Aug 19 15:59:06 Win 8 is not going to destroy Android Aug 19 15:59:33 It very easily could Aug 19 15:59:43 or do i need to call a service request on a interval.. Aug 19 15:59:46 it will be a very similar exp across pc and tablet, soon phone Aug 19 15:59:58 for now I vote for HTC to take webOS Aug 19 16:00:10 now that it is on arm it could also have a better chance at doing what the moto atrix was Aug 19 16:00:14 but with windows Aug 19 16:00:18 something that is useful Aug 19 16:00:43 I would buy an HTC WebOS phone Aug 19 16:00:56 i'd hit it Aug 19 16:01:14 htc has made some nice devices Aug 19 16:02:01 luv my evo Aug 19 16:02:47 jeez yeah i mean imagine how it could perform with that kind of power Aug 19 16:03:02 would a continuous 10 s timer destroy battery life Aug 19 16:03:03 imagine evo 3d Aug 19 16:03:06 with 3d cards Aug 19 16:03:08 I have one day left till my 14 day return policy from Staples runs out. I really liked the TP from the start and waited patiently for it to appear. I took it home and started customizing and got it set up with al my stuff and this happened. It is a tough decision I have to make. Aug 19 16:03:23 or a HTC LTE webos... unf Aug 19 16:03:28 the hardware in the touchpad is fine. the lack of optimizations in webkit are the issue in webOS. IMHO. Aug 19 16:03:36 yes Aug 19 16:03:50 Did they even get this GPU Accelerated Aug 19 16:03:51 ? Aug 19 16:03:53 funkatron: but that's configurable... Aug 19 16:04:06 rboatright: still Leo's actions recently don't make much sense either, why even bother with touchpad and pre3 only to dump just after releasing the former and before the latter? Aug 19 16:04:06 madnificent: what Aug 19 16:04:09 I may have to check this titanium stuff out later today Aug 19 16:04:13 this is interesting Aug 19 16:04:21 funkatron: i think that, with google's additions to allow for native code (they did that, right?), we should be able to get code running faster Aug 19 16:04:30 funkatron: the optimizations in webkit Aug 19 16:04:52 madnificent: the webOS webkit is not identical to the Google webkit they ship in Chrome Aug 19 16:04:55 googles native code stuff was to run native code in the browser wasnt it Aug 19 16:05:06 nothing to do with webkit opt Aug 19 16:05:11 funkatron: I know that, but you could leech, I think. Most is open source Aug 19 16:05:14 which is why until 3.0.2 the webOS webkit didn't even support box shadows Aug 19 16:05:27 madnificent: you can, yes. who will? HP didn't. Aug 19 16:05:36 funkatron: don't you find that odd? Aug 19 16:05:59 madnificent: knowing the differences between what you want to do and what you can do with the manpower and resources you're given, not really. Aug 19 16:06:02 disappointing, yes Aug 19 16:06:50 this is something that, given the right documentation, could've happened in the community. Toying with optimizations of various sections. Aug 19 16:06:58 http://www.precentral.net/hp-has-neither-balls-nor-brains-1 Aug 19 16:07:01 madnificent: could have. Aug 19 16:07:08 here is another thing Aug 19 16:07:24 but it's not just optimization toying. Aug 19 16:07:31 I dont believe that HP wants an OS system, esp when they want to be a Enterprise Software company Aug 19 16:08:06 I dont believe they only want to sell support Aug 19 16:09:21 CTLAdvance: they have had and sold HP-UX for years Aug 19 16:09:54 Yes but this is apotheker were dealing with Aug 19 16:09:59 funkatron: clearly, it's simple to say these things in hindsight Aug 19 16:10:03 otherwise I would agree Aug 19 16:10:07 they should fire him now, instead of in 5 years Aug 19 16:10:12 yeah Aug 19 16:10:29 Not that anyone else could have saved webOS Aug 19 16:10:48 I just think he is the center of the issue, and with the trouble he caused at SAP I think he may have been a mistake Aug 19 16:10:54 but financials will be the judge Aug 19 16:11:14 SO in 5 years he will either be a blessing or a problem Aug 19 16:11:20 for HP Aug 19 16:11:50 he's wors than Carly Fiorina was Aug 19 16:12:36 Chuq isnt on yet I see Aug 19 16:13:12 prolly update his dice account Aug 19 16:13:19 updating.. Aug 19 16:14:26 what's new you wacky devs? Aug 19 16:15:29 praising derek kessler for this: http://www.precentral.net/hp-has-neither-balls-nor-brains-1 Aug 19 16:15:41 rwhitby: yeah that article is probably mostly either made up or misunderstood information but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if HP had been developing webos on jailbroken iPads to start with (like I guess Palm used centro for their first webos prototypes) Aug 19 16:16:50 makes sense to use some existing polished hardware to get a lead on software development and testing proof of concept stuff Aug 19 16:17:02 IGNTNUNLMTD: yeah I read that too. Derek nailed it Aug 19 16:17:34 from now on, it's Palm webOS again Aug 19 16:17:35 IGNTNUNLMTD, +1. Exactly my opinion. Aug 19 16:18:09 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2900633 <- never seen a story stay this long on HN's front page. Aug 19 16:18:49 wow Aug 19 16:19:24 the comment about MS's commitment to the XBox is on-point Aug 19 16:19:41 yup Aug 19 16:20:34 I remember those days. MS was losing every which way. I think they finally turned it around when the X360 beat the competition to market the 2nd time around Aug 19 16:21:13 the analogy is sound, considering homebrew is what saved the og xbox :) Aug 19 16:21:25 hahaha Aug 19 16:21:29 heh Aug 19 16:21:30 I do love XBMC on there Aug 19 16:21:44 my 2 chipped xboxs agree Aug 19 16:21:50 I bought two xboxes because of homebrew also Aug 19 16:21:52 man that is a fat, ugly box tho Aug 19 16:21:52 * oilsworkn has 2 of them sitting next t ohis tv, one modded one unmodded Aug 19 16:22:04 I did the softwre mod with mechwarrior on it Aug 19 16:22:05 but yeah Aug 19 16:22:19 The other thing is that Microsoft is quickly throwing cash and features at WP7 Aug 19 16:22:37 they know what it means. they're committed to it. they have vision Aug 19 16:22:42 I drove from gamestop to gamestop looking for particular models. I bought one once that already had a chip in it. Superglued that sucker and returned it Aug 19 16:23:32 * halfhalo-work has a modded OG xbox as well Aug 19 16:23:52 funkatron: dunno, I think webos and WP7 are both going to be relative footnotes, the market seems to want iOS and android devices and public opinion on that kind of thing with big players already in the market is not something that changes that quickly Aug 19 16:24:02 I think Microsoft is just dumping money uselessly and HP would be Aug 19 16:24:03 I wonder how the 1.5ghz touchpad functioned Aug 19 16:24:03 man, we could all be playing modded halo1 online over xlink or something xD Aug 19 16:24:08 newer faster processor Aug 19 16:24:14 or revision of the 1.2 Aug 19 16:24:31 destinal: maybe. But MS knows that if they don't get a foothold, they will not be relevant. It will eventually kill the company Aug 19 16:25:06 I do believe windows 8 could be the key Aug 19 16:25:12 especially on arm Aug 19 16:25:16 okay, maybe not kill. but they have to do this to be relevant as a consumer OS. Aug 19 16:25:18 I think. Aug 19 16:25:21 funkatron: I think tablets as the PC killer is blown way out of proportion Aug 19 16:25:35 and yeah, windows 8 will run on ARM and x86 so there you go Aug 19 16:25:42 Windows 8 could be the phone that plugs into a laptop/desktop dock and becomes a fully functioning pc Aug 19 16:25:49 not some horrible linux cobjob Aug 19 16:25:55 >>>>Atrix Aug 19 16:26:35 I don't think generally WP7 and W8 are as far apart as you're making them Aug 19 16:26:41 you can also already see them pushing synergy esq tactics across wp7, exbox and windows 8 Aug 19 16:26:50 I am not Aug 19 16:27:00 actually that was more for destinal 8D Aug 19 16:27:14 lol Aug 19 16:27:21 heh Aug 19 16:28:04 I just hope they launch a version of windows 8 for arm that has generic installers for multiple soc configs Aug 19 16:32:15 wow dereks article is slick Aug 19 16:32:59 destinal: I dunno about that. bough my gf's grandmother a new computer so she could keep playing solitaire and shit on Aug 19 16:33:11 destinal: was this close to buying her a tablet but the emachine was still cheaper Aug 19 16:33:47 emachines: never obsolete Aug 19 16:33:58 hehe Aug 19 16:34:15 for an old woman who only plays freecell and shit like that, pretty much yeah :| Aug 19 16:34:28 actually, that solitaire app on the tp is pretty nice Aug 19 16:34:34 oh yeah Aug 19 16:34:37 HPQ Stocks are way down Aug 19 16:34:38 http://quote.foxbusiness.com/symbol/hpq/snapshot Aug 19 16:34:38 been enjoying the hell out of it Aug 19 16:34:38 So, you people won't let me work today either? :) Aug 19 16:34:44 Anyone else get this message from the app portal while trying to submit an update?--- "We cannot save your app submission at this time. HP has been notified. Please try submitting your app later." Aug 19 16:35:21 wow Aug 19 16:35:28 i haven't got that msg akanster Aug 19 16:35:32 well damn Aug 19 16:35:35 but i didn't submit today, i did yesterday Aug 19 16:35:53 i'm going to need to submit an update tonight so i'll let you know Aug 19 16:36:00 akanster: what else would you expect on a day like today? Aug 19 16:36:31 I wanted to put this update in the Catalog before it goes on the githubs Aug 19 16:37:09 so how many are going to hold onto their TPs? Aug 19 16:37:45 oh, fun times Aug 19 16:37:48 my loaner arrives today. Aug 19 16:37:58 how many devs will now be willing to update their apps to support Pre3 resolutions? Aug 19 16:38:06 I certainly am not Aug 19 16:38:12 21% change in stock price for HP Aug 19 16:38:26 change in which direction? Aug 19 16:38:29 that will teach them to kick webos to the curb! Aug 19 16:38:29 all negative... Aug 19 16:38:31 down Aug 19 16:38:31 ;-P Aug 19 16:38:40 lol linuxjacques Aug 19 16:38:42 its in the red for the second day in a row Aug 19 16:38:47 todays change is also negative Aug 19 16:38:55 actually, thats probably all about the spinning off pcs thing Aug 19 16:39:00 they are probably down 30 - 40% now from yesterday Aug 19 16:39:11 yes Aug 19 16:39:16 thats exactly why Aug 19 16:39:24 yep. Deciding to stop being the largest PC manufacturer in the world. That's a BRILLIANT idea. Aug 19 16:39:26 and I think the market thinks its a mistake as well Aug 19 16:39:53 "Oh, we sell more PC's than anyone in the world, we ought to give that up and become a software company." Aug 19 16:39:57 I bet shareholders are wondering what the CEO is doing Aug 19 16:40:00 dont blame oil, blame apoteker Aug 19 16:40:05 I can imagine he has some explaining Aug 19 16:40:07 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=17533 -- OK, it's not just me. No one can submit apps either Aug 19 16:40:12 I didnt blae oil this time Aug 19 16:40:27 you didnt, others were :/ Aug 19 16:40:41 Leo, you gots some `splainin' to do! Aug 19 16:40:55 not only are they not supporting device, but now you cant even update the apps Aug 19 16:41:13 linuxjacques: its like scarface just said that in my head when i read it Aug 19 16:41:16 I dont think its even funny to blame oil for this big of a mess Aug 19 16:41:21 :-/ Aug 19 16:41:41 oilsworkn: lol, I was thinking of Ricky Ricardo in "I love Lucy" Aug 19 16:42:05 same difference? Aug 19 16:42:08 lol Aug 19 16:42:11 well if I cant push out app updates the touchpad is being sent back immediately Aug 19 16:42:17 pretty close yeah :-) Aug 19 16:42:18 I wish they would come out with a press release Aug 19 16:44:10 I really want to know what they'll do with 200,000 touchpads Aug 19 16:44:19 * linuxjacques too. Aug 19 16:44:35 heck, I wanted to buy some Folios after they were cancelled, but I never found any Aug 19 16:44:54 well you can have the 2011 Folio Aug 19 16:45:06 Foolio Aug 19 16:45:13 what's that? Aug 19 16:45:23 TouchPad Aug 19 16:45:28 :) Aug 19 16:45:30 I was really stoked about the touchpad launch, and if news doesn't come soon I think I will be jumping to iOS Aug 19 16:45:39 and will be pretty sad :/ Aug 19 16:46:38 just saw another TP commercial on TV. Why does that seem silly? Aug 19 16:47:09 its not Aug 19 16:47:16 they need to sell the remaining stocj Aug 19 16:47:18 stock Aug 19 16:47:23 I can't update just app metadata either. Aug 19 16:47:29 :( Aug 19 16:47:29 otherwise they will need to recall or firesale it Aug 19 16:48:07 Hey Chuqui Aug 19 16:48:12 Good Morning! Aug 19 16:48:12 hi chuq Aug 19 16:48:13 i'm ok with a firesale Aug 19 16:48:23 hello chuqui Aug 19 16:48:24 morning, all. Aug 19 16:48:31 how is everything? Aug 19 16:48:33 hello chuqui Aug 19 16:48:38 * Mousey waves Aug 19 16:48:42 anything you can share? Aug 19 16:48:46 Hows the head feel after a night of wrestling gorillas Aug 19 16:48:57 * dcousineau throws a beer at chuqui Aug 19 16:49:00 drink it now or later Aug 19 16:49:03 thanks! Aug 19 16:49:03 * Mousey thinks . o O ( those poor gorillas ) Aug 19 16:49:05 hey chuqui - I know you guys have been busy and all, but can we get a doctor and kernel source for the Pre 3 please? Aug 19 16:49:13 whiskey. give that man whiskey Aug 19 16:49:55 rwhitby: not sure what the status is. things are a bit -- fluid -- right now. May take a bit to get stuff settled down and moving again. Aug 19 16:50:19 chuqui: sure, but GPL compliance doesn't have a clause for exec stuffups. Aug 19 16:50:31 chuqui: ;) Aug 19 16:50:50 chuqui: It appears we can't update current apps or submit new apps to the catalog. Anything you can share? Aug 19 16:50:53 chuqui "fluid" wow, good euphamism Aug 19 16:50:54 rwhitby: yeah. but there sure sohuld be one for "I dunno about you, but Im' going home now and having a beer" Aug 19 16:51:07 chuqui: that one we can accept :) Aug 19 16:51:15 beer me Aug 19 16:51:29 * akanster hands funkatron a Miller Genuine Draft Aug 19 16:51:37 *cough* Aug 19 16:51:42 * funkatron recoils Aug 19 16:51:51 BANG Aug 19 16:51:54 oh wait Aug 19 16:51:59 * rwhitby hands funkatron a coopers pale ale from south australia Aug 19 16:52:02 hi sugardave Aug 19 16:52:12 Bmyers: hiya Aug 19 16:52:14 nom Aug 19 16:52:21 you almost had me sold on a TP Aug 19 16:52:25 * phoque_uni throws a round for good, frankonian Zirndorfer Helles Landbier Aug 19 16:52:28 rwhitby: Is Fosters that good over there? Aug 19 16:52:28 but i think i'll hold off now Aug 19 16:52:30 grabs the damn coopers ale, since funkatron won't appreciate it. Aug 19 16:52:43 and I would have succeeded, too, if it hadn't been for that meddling Leo Aug 19 16:52:47 akanster: fosters is the beer we export so that others have to drink it instead of us Aug 19 16:52:48 yes, I am not a big beer drinker anyway. let chuqui have it Aug 19 16:52:52 lmao Aug 19 16:52:52 I'll take a white russian tho Aug 19 16:53:11 Mail order brider or drink? Aug 19 16:53:14 Hey guys, I just posted a screencast for Haxe NME, if anyone is interested Aug 19 16:53:32 akanster: why not both Aug 19 16:53:41 it's my daughter's 13th birthday today Aug 19 16:53:44 * oilsworkn blames sugardave for death of hp Aug 19 16:53:45 high stress around here Aug 19 16:53:48 sugardave: congrats! Aug 19 16:53:49 I cover loading and displaying bitmaps, adding animation, class creation, mouse events, keyboard events, resizing and some other stuff like that Aug 19 16:53:53 13, man u r old Aug 19 16:53:55 oilsworkn: Roy was the last one on board! Aug 19 16:54:06 lol Aug 19 16:54:06 sugardave: get the shotgun ready... the boys will come soon! Aug 19 16:54:08 yeah, it's gotta be roy or halfhalo-work Aug 19 16:54:09 Bmyers: :getout: Aug 19 16:54:11 Easy cross-platform games for Flash or for webOS, iOS, Android, Windows, Mac OS, Linux Aug 19 16:55:14 singmajesty, you mean easy cross-platform games for Flash, iOS, Android, Windows, Mac OSX and Linux Aug 19 16:55:34 roy and i did the orientation the same time, so its a tie Aug 19 16:55:42 I do mean webOS as well :) Aug 19 16:55:48 Hey, webOS is my favorite platform Aug 19 16:56:04 #1+ Aug 19 16:56:05 * oilsworkn blames halfhalo Aug 19 16:56:12 If I publish for multiple platforms, I'd rather build it while working on a webOS device Aug 19 16:56:29 It compiles faster, and I feel like I have a lot more control/access to my device Aug 19 16:56:29 what is this webOS you're talking about? Aug 19 16:56:53 Since it is a write-once, compile everywhere framework, I don't have to constantly test on every target (usually) Aug 19 16:57:00 Similar to how you would develop websites for a browser Aug 19 16:59:15 oilsworkn: agreed Aug 19 17:00:49 Oh, I forgot the link Aug 19 17:01:43 Hold on, trying a higher res video Aug 19 17:06:04 http://www.joshuagranick.com/videos Aug 19 17:10:57 rwhitby: pinged you on another open source app tweet. Please rt :) Aug 19 17:11:55 danke!' Aug 19 17:11:58 someone should be builidng a list of these on the -internals wiki Aug 19 17:12:36 3 down, 2 more to open source Aug 19 17:16:49 This is amazing; everyone who is open sourcing stuff. You'd never see anything like this on other platforms. It's awe-inspiring. Aug 19 17:17:33 yeah, after seeing phnx and red-it go open, I figured why not Aug 19 17:18:38 now just webos as opensource ;) Aug 19 17:19:18 yeah. Aug 19 17:20:13 the eclipse way Aug 19 17:21:00 Don't compare webOS to Eclipse :) Aug 19 17:21:18 I believe in open-source and all, but I wouldn't want webOS to run like Eclipse ;) Aug 19 17:21:26 word haha Aug 19 17:21:40 Eclipse is a great IDE, but it's ugly and slow Aug 19 17:21:50 i love eclipse Aug 19 17:22:03 love love love it. it has its probs but... its awesome Aug 19 17:22:38 I really love FlashDevelop -- fast, lightweight, but full of features Aug 19 17:22:49 It only runs on Windows, however Aug 19 17:23:09 I literally switched from being a full-time Linux user for 4-6 months to using Windows again, because I missed FlashDevelop :) Aug 19 17:25:31 its not about the product itself, its about the philosophy behind the opensourceing of eclipse Aug 19 17:26:01 the situation is similar, and with the similar infrastructure you could do nice things Aug 19 17:27:22 Yeah, it's true. NME is MIT, open source. That's why its grown from Flash and iOS to webOS, Android, etc. Aug 19 17:34:51 :( Aug 19 17:35:33 * fprimex pats torchie on the head Aug 19 17:35:50 http://www.wpcentral.com/webos-windows-phone-7-welcome-your-new-home - heh Aug 19 17:37:45 heh i defected to a nexus s Aug 19 17:38:23 im gonna wait for google to run android into the ground before i switch to win phone Aug 19 17:38:28 yeah thats my issue as well, whats next Aug 19 17:38:53 or just get an iphone and be forever happy with my purchase Aug 19 17:40:31 Okay, just posted my Enyo (with code completion) screencast in higher quality Aug 19 17:40:32 http://www.joshuagranick.com/videos Aug 19 17:40:59 NME is a cool solution, though, if you want to make games, especially Aug 19 17:41:52 wow 10.1 took less than 30 seconds to boot up Aug 19 17:42:06 hey look, its a torchie Aug 19 17:42:51 sup sup Aug 19 17:43:03 10.1? galaxy tab? Aug 19 17:43:13 yep Aug 19 17:43:22 oh man tell me about it Aug 19 17:43:33 its pretty slick Aug 19 17:43:37 nexus boots in aa half minute Aug 19 17:44:01 wifi only, gps, bluetooth, everything except expansion slit Aug 19 17:44:03 slot Aug 19 17:44:10 10.0 might be my next tablet Aug 19 17:44:14 1.0.1 Aug 19 17:44:14 10.1 Aug 19 17:44:17 sigh. Aug 19 17:44:40 The only issue I have is that android cant manage its own memory and its multitasking implementation sucks something horrible Aug 19 17:45:16 IOS has far superior multitasking capabilities Aug 19 17:46:36 but other than that the tab is pretty slick Aug 19 17:47:53 oh man Aug 19 17:48:09 the tab running webos - drool Aug 19 17:49:16 Hewlett-Packard (HPQ: 23.60, -6.58, -21.80%) was a major drag on the Dow on Friday, plunging 20% to a 6-year low after announcing a major restructuring in which it is mulling spinning off its personal computer business. About half of the Dow components were in the green, and only H-P had a sharper than 3% increase or decrease. Aug 19 17:49:16 Aug 19 17:49:16 As a result, the Dow lagged significantly behind the broader S&P 500, and Nasdaq. Smaller technology players like Intuit (INTU: 44.05, +3.75, +9.31%) and Marvell Technology (MRVL: 12.81, +0.84, +7.02%) were a major boost to the Nasdaq. Aug 19 17:49:16 Aug 19 17:49:16 Aug 19 17:49:17 Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/08/19/daily-market-update/#ixzz1VUwPC1Ze Aug 19 17:49:17 Aug 19 17:51:16 I seriously think that share-holders of HP should take up a stand. I'm not saying that dumping webos is a dumb decision per se, but what leo is doing is sheer insanity Aug 19 17:52:49 and strangely, Leo claims this it being done *for* the shareholders Aug 19 17:55:13 perhaps I don't understand his vision. I definately don't have his numbers, but I seriously doubt that doing this is making sense Aug 19 17:55:24 I'm looking forward to when they'll make things right Aug 19 17:55:31 they promised it, right? right? Aug 19 17:55:40 hp was slowly getting a very good name in europe on the hardware front. Not saying that webos was good for them, yet still, all else was nice... why stop making computers?! Aug 19 17:55:58 phoque_uni: just as all else they promised so far ;) Aug 19 17:59:04 test Aug 19 17:59:25 sorry, got a sprint call Aug 19 18:00:38 CTLAdvance: anyway i did a demonstration qhere my nexus rebooted multiple times in the time it took to boot my pre one minute into the cycle Aug 19 18:05:29 but that once that baby boots up... Aug 19 18:05:39 I'll take my webOS phones over Android any day :) Aug 19 18:06:01 was away for a few days... so webOS is over? Aug 19 18:06:24 HP has announced that they are going to stop production of webOS devices Aug 19 18:06:32 no but yes but no Aug 19 18:06:35 However, webOS, the operating system, and existing devices are still in play Aug 19 18:07:01 i dunno Aug 19 18:07:09 oh ok, so the OS is still alive but devices are dead... Aug 19 18:07:22 no one knows yet Aug 19 18:07:22 New devices have been canceled Aug 19 18:07:44 yeah android sucks Aug 19 18:07:46 delusional Aug 19 18:07:47 wp7 isn't bad Aug 19 18:07:48 I hope that production for devices like the Pre 3 continue Aug 19 18:07:51 It's a nice phone Aug 19 18:08:01 I'll get a pre 3 if I can use my developer discount Aug 19 18:08:07 I love my Pre 3 Aug 19 18:08:12 I am PIST! I been making webOS App's, now it doesn't matter? I was thrilled cause my iPhone, WP7 App Marketplaces charged me fee's to signup and nowHP didn't charge and now I will lose my place :( Aug 19 18:08:14 itd be nice iif wp7 took the place of android Aug 19 18:08:15 I'm not giving up a year contract for it Aug 19 18:08:31 there is going to be a rough battle ahead for anyone who tries to take it from me Aug 19 18:08:36 that would be a nice ios alternative Aug 19 18:09:28 well, Mango for WP7 is already out and as a dev, monday we get to release our mango apps. It'd be nice if WP7 OS replaced webOS. Aug 19 18:09:47 I'm interested in write-once, run everywhere solutions Aug 19 18:09:50 Like NME for games Aug 19 18:09:54 i hear really good things about WP7; but i also hear it's buggy as shit Aug 19 18:09:57 Maybe PhoneGap for HTML Aug 19 18:09:59 opinions? Aug 19 18:10:00 singmajesty: Well, you can do that with most, using HTML5 Aug 19 18:10:04 write once Aug 19 18:10:11 fail everywhere Aug 19 18:10:13 esser: buggy? How so? Aug 19 18:10:20 phonegap is crap Aug 19 18:10:31 sugardave: have you tried out nomnomnom on your pre3? Aug 19 18:10:34 flyman: i only know about 3 or 4 people that have WP7 phones of some type, and they all say the thing crashes daily Aug 19 18:10:43 NME is nice. Aug 19 18:10:55 http://apps.facebook.com/kn_joshua_test/ Aug 19 18:11:03 Tibfib_: no, I have not...I almost put it on my touchpad last night but decided to play video games instead Aug 19 18:11:07 esser: What actually crashes and what's the effect of the "crash"? Aug 19 18:11:16 sugardave: lame-o Aug 19 18:11:22 I am a horrible Google Reader keeper-upper, maybe this will help Aug 19 18:11:31 I'm curious if nomnomnom will behave on the pre3 Aug 19 18:11:35 too lazy to try emus Aug 19 18:11:35 flyman: from what i have heard, it's an even balance of MS-sourced apps, and third party apps, and it's usually a lock-up Aug 19 18:11:38 if by crash you mean fly at 60 fps all day Aug 19 18:11:39 sometimes just an app kill Aug 19 18:11:46 i dunno the details. i dont own one. Aug 19 18:12:19 but honestly, that sounds a lot like the WinMo 6 phone i had once :) Aug 19 18:12:24 esser: Odd, cause as a dev, WP7 makes us work our butts off as they test our apps on 5 different phones before we can get certified and signed by verisign. So, must be MS Apps. Aug 19 18:12:40 flyman: it can also be shoddy hardware Aug 19 18:12:51 Tibfib: oh wait, it's not going to be in my Pre3 catalog is it? Aug 19 18:12:51 esser: True, the phones can matter. Aug 19 18:12:52 oh god winmo 6 Aug 19 18:13:05 sugardave: umm, probably not Aug 19 18:13:05 :o Aug 19 18:13:19 I used to like making apps for winmob6.x cause I didn't have to pay to submit apps I make and give for free. Aug 19 18:13:44 Tibfib: effort...now I have to put it on the TouchPad and then steal it from there :P Aug 19 18:13:46 I don't charge the public for any apps on any platform I make, only charge them if they want the source code. Aug 19 18:13:53 sugardave: lol Aug 19 18:14:03 I've emailed you an ipk haven't I? Aug 19 18:14:06 and then I have to include Enyo Aug 19 18:14:07 no Aug 19 18:14:11 that would be better :D Aug 19 18:14:20 * oilsworkn thought nomnomnom was opensource? Aug 19 18:14:34 it is Aug 19 18:14:37 but sugardave is lazy Aug 19 18:14:38 flyman: i dunno, i wouldn't mind the $99 a year for the apple dev thing, but objective-C makes me foam at the mouth Aug 19 18:14:44 oh now you want me to go download it? Aug 19 18:14:48 whatever :P Aug 19 18:14:59 i can't really think of a language right now, except maybe erlang, who's syntax makes me want to shoot kittens more Aug 19 18:15:01 i used to hate winmo6 because none of the apps worked Aug 19 18:15:43 epic megagames is pretty fibe with objective c Aug 19 18:16:14 I don't think I would enjoy working with Objective-C Aug 19 18:16:18 esser: Well, C# isn't bad or using VB for WP7 isn't bad either, kind of cool. However, making the iPhone apps sucks, but makes my customers (people who hire me to make apps) happy. Aug 19 18:16:24 I've published to iOS using NME, though Aug 19 18:16:41 twbbas: ping Aug 19 18:16:44 flyman: I love C#. I hate .NET. Aug 19 18:16:44 IGNTNUNLMTD: ping Aug 19 18:16:49 pong Aug 19 18:16:50 summatusmentis: ping Aug 19 18:16:57 oilsworkn: http://twitter.com/#!/kesne/status/104615098185818112 Aug 19 18:16:59 You guys still have TPs? Aug 19 18:17:06 never getting rid of it Aug 19 18:17:07 I have at least one Aug 19 18:17:07 ever Aug 19 18:17:07 thinking of learning me some obj c Aug 19 18:17:16 I love the thing Aug 19 18:17:17 a lot Aug 19 18:17:31 sugardave: yeah, i saw :/ Aug 19 18:17:37 esser: Yes, I am not a fan of .NET either but when I left Microsoft in 2005, it was making developers fall from the sky as they too were pist about it. Really ruined the hobbyist programmer. Aug 19 18:17:52 its funny because of my twitter handle Aug 19 18:17:56 heh Aug 19 18:17:57 sugardave: what's that about? Aug 19 18:18:03 I was kind of promised one. Never recieved it. Fits well in the overall scheme... Aug 19 18:18:10 he was trying to blame dont blame oil Aug 19 18:18:14 oilsworkn: retweeted Aug 19 18:18:14 lol Aug 19 18:18:22 IGNTNUNLMTD: well check preware Aug 19 18:18:29 ah k Aug 19 18:18:30 not cool Aug 19 18:19:21 why do you people even follow kense in teh first place? Aug 19 18:19:45 oilsworkn: I don't Aug 19 18:19:52 you brought that tweet to my attention Aug 19 18:20:01 i didn't link it Aug 19 18:20:10 oh, thanks sugardave Aug 19 18:20:14 oops Aug 19 18:20:16 good tweets need to be shared Aug 19 18:20:57 so I got better sales yesterday than tuesday Aug 19 18:21:07 lols Aug 19 18:21:16 tib -- me too Aug 19 18:21:27 maybe this hp dying thing is a publicity stunt Aug 19 18:21:28 my sales skyrocketed yesterday Aug 19 18:21:37 some publicity stunt Aug 19 18:21:52 * madnificent has lowered the price of his app Aug 19 18:22:00 hmmm Aug 19 18:22:13 do I continue with the sale price of nomnomnom, or go to $4 as I had planned Aug 19 18:22:19 probably keep it as is. :/ Aug 19 18:22:24 go with $4 Aug 19 18:22:29 i'm raising the price of wildn Aug 19 18:22:29 and $50 to tp users doesnt hurt Aug 19 18:22:39 oh, oops i wasn't supposed to say that Aug 19 18:22:42 (nobody knows that) Aug 19 18:22:54 hell, go to $40 and see what happens! "RARE RARE RARE, get this app while you still can!!!" Aug 19 18:23:02 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aug 19 18:23:03 lol Aug 19 18:23:17 THIS APP WILL BE EXTINCT IN 40 DAYS Aug 19 18:23:21 its a plot Aug 19 18:23:45 to enhance the rationalization for HP to become an enterpriae software company like apotheker wants Aug 19 18:24:17 fail catastrophically at consumer pcs AND post-pc devices! Aug 19 18:24:27 then become tthe next ibm Aug 19 18:27:11 "Speaking of HP, Chou’s flowery language around its partnerships with both Google and Microsoft almost certainly mean that it has no interest in getting involved with webOS. Samsung, LG, and Dell have all shown a tendency to be platform-agnostic in their mobile endeavors — and I’ve no doubt there are at least a few licensing or buyout discussions going on behind closed doors." -- Aug 19 18:27:11 http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/19/htc-peter-chou-android-google-microsoft-windows-phone-partnership/ Aug 19 18:28:26 just license webos to nabisco and coca cola Aug 19 18:28:59 christ, not dell Aug 19 18:29:01 stop smashing dreams Tibfib Aug 19 18:29:30 :/ Aug 19 18:29:30 mayve Kellogg's Aug 19 18:29:36 apotheker isn't entirely wrong Aug 19 18:29:38 webos waffles Aug 19 18:29:43 the consumer space is very tight these days Aug 19 18:29:47 funkatron: where are you going ? Aug 19 18:29:49 My first PalmOS phone was a Samsung Aug 19 18:29:56 ? Aug 19 18:29:57 stick with webOS until the end? Aug 19 18:30:03 my first palmos was a zire Aug 19 18:30:04 or gonna get a WP7, android, iOS? Aug 19 18:30:07 where do I have to go? 8D Aug 19 18:30:14 The only tech I support is open. Aug 19 18:30:25 device Aug 19 18:30:27 My phone works fine, I'm not throwing it away Aug 19 18:30:28 8D Aug 19 18:30:37 I already have iOS devices tho Aug 19 18:30:44 well sure Aug 19 18:30:56 hookbme up withbone oof those ios devices Aug 19 18:31:11 we'll see. for the sake of the people employed, I am hoping a decent hardware vendor with a marketing clue gets involved. it's only been a day 8) Aug 19 18:31:23 every time one of my bros shows off one oofbhis ios exclusive apps i feel like a silly billy Aug 19 18:31:31 Well, my first PalmOS device was a Handspring, I think Aug 19 18:31:34 Or maybe a Palm III Aug 19 18:31:42 but my first *phone*... Aug 19 18:31:50 singmajesty: mine also handsring Aug 19 18:31:52 android exclusives include: Aug 19 18:31:56 file managers Aug 19 18:32:00 Samsung i300, something like that. Was a cool PalmOS phone, but huge Aug 19 18:32:02 replacement launchers Aug 19 18:32:05 About the size of Android phones are now Aug 19 18:32:09 live wallpapers Aug 19 18:32:14 (size that) Aug 19 18:32:17 and cordy Aug 19 18:32:25 my first phone was a crappy nokia candybar Aug 19 18:32:36 Yeah, I had to use a replacement launcher just to use my Android Dev phone without a Sprint plan Aug 19 18:32:38 <-- motorola razr Aug 19 18:32:41 lame Aug 19 18:32:42 same Aug 19 18:32:43 my last non-webOS phone was a Nokia canybar. Best phone ever. Aug 19 18:32:49 I loved my 6300i Aug 19 18:32:52 my first phone was a samsung flip phone of some type. this was like 1997 or whatever. Aug 19 18:32:57 that was on sprint. Aug 19 18:33:01 I loved webOS more. Didn't like the Pre- hardware. Aug 19 18:33:07 from then on, it was only GSM Aug 19 18:33:09 That's what I started with, too Aug 19 18:33:10 so from i have read, HP will not make consumer laptops, and desktops any more? Aug 19 18:33:18 A little silver Samsung flip phone Aug 19 18:33:20 i remember reading an article Aug 19 18:33:31 LoneStar99: they're spinning off the division that does that Aug 19 18:33:33 saying the best possible buyer for palm was Aug 19 18:33:35 ala IBM/Lenovo Aug 19 18:33:37 ...asus Aug 19 18:33:39 my last phone was a lg vx6000 flip phone Aug 19 18:33:49 HP is considering changes in the consumer PC business, but changes that would occur over 12-18 months, it seems Aug 19 18:33:51 at least asus makes good products Aug 19 18:33:58 LoneStar99, appears so. But remember: "The computer is personal again". Aug 19 18:34:06 this was probably the best non-smartphone i ever had http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=22 Aug 19 18:34:09 phoque_uni: lol Aug 19 18:34:19 that thing was incredible. voice quality, reception distance, etc. it was all awesome Aug 19 18:34:23 im gonna dip from ir Aug 19 18:34:26 irc Aug 19 18:34:31 esser: This was mine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3600/3650 Aug 19 18:34:33 Really, everything they're talking is bull... Aug 19 18:34:37 the nokia 3650 Aug 19 18:34:37 this is wrecking mmy battery Aug 19 18:34:47 blame oilsworkn Aug 19 18:35:01 i miss being able to charge my phone once a week Aug 19 18:35:09 :( Aug 19 18:35:14 same Aug 19 18:35:16 heh Aug 19 18:35:19 there's passion for your product (Apple seems to have a lot of it) and there is faked passion, just because everybody else has it (HP does that) Aug 19 18:35:57 i would have never replaced it, but, it kind of got run over by a tracked vehicle Aug 19 18:35:58 playing with an HTC HD7 Aug 19 18:36:02 I want webOS on this Aug 19 18:36:05 SO badly Aug 19 18:36:58 lol 64gb white tp on hp us Aug 19 18:37:35 yeah, I don't see why they're even releasing products anymore Aug 19 18:37:45 thats another thing Apple's showing how to do right. Take down your site, generate buzz. Put up new product. Aug 19 18:37:51 * oilsworkn picks one up Aug 19 18:37:54 I really wish anaya would be banned from the dev forums Aug 19 18:37:57 oilsworkn: really? Aug 19 18:37:59 link? Aug 19 18:38:02 not like HP... bits and pieces trickling from a site to be found on ww12341.hp.com Aug 19 18:38:12 precentral Aug 19 18:38:17 I seriously think HP has a guy sitting there going "How can we best fumble this?" Aug 19 18:38:24 ^^^^^ Aug 19 18:38:41 "The new HP TouchPad 4G coming soon!" Aug 19 18:38:44 on their homepage right now Aug 19 18:38:50 Tibfib: lol yeah Aug 19 18:40:07 I havent seen this much activity on PreCentral since the 'HP buys Palm' post Aug 19 18:40:32 * esser goes to find his Palm V. Aug 19 18:41:23 halfhalo-work_: ohi Aug 19 18:41:34 SPLLLIIIIITTTT Aug 19 18:42:54 think theyll actually license webOS out? Aug 19 18:43:07 what else would they do with it? Aug 19 18:43:15 sell the patents Aug 19 18:43:16 kill it and keep the patents? Aug 19 18:43:51 why did they do it backwards? they definitely should have partnered up.. then killed their own device biz Aug 19 18:44:23 they did it backwards because they have no idea how to participate in the mobile space, let alone manage a community Aug 19 18:44:37 they're just the wrong company, and they munged it up Aug 19 18:44:49 even if they truly want webOS to thrive theyve pretty much just blown there chance. Aug 19 18:44:59 their Aug 19 18:45:00 I would agree Aug 19 18:45:15 i'm just a user and it's sad to me Aug 19 18:45:20 I didn't even invest time in the platform Aug 19 18:45:29 and if they sell it were stuck waiting for the next company to ramp up Aug 19 18:45:32 it's possible they could let it "die", and revive a newer, better version with real good hardware licensed Aug 19 18:45:32 so basically its dead Aug 19 18:45:33 but I dont think people would trust them and license it from them Aug 19 18:45:50 they've made terrible decisions time and time again, I would never license from them Aug 19 18:46:08 unless they'd regain trust Aug 19 18:46:09 well the software itself isnt terrible right? Aug 19 18:46:29 I think webOS is a compelling alternative to Android and iOS Aug 19 18:46:29 depends on who you ask Aug 19 18:46:32 its pretty terrible Aug 19 18:46:44 the idea of a "web" OS is fantastic Aug 19 18:46:45 the UI is there but the smoothness is not Aug 19 18:47:02 thats the hardware Aug 19 18:47:04 * oilsworkn thinks webos > android + ios Aug 19 18:47:05 no Aug 19 18:47:07 thats the OS Aug 19 18:47:11 we've all seen the "twice as fast on iPad" article Aug 19 18:47:14 the hardware for the touchpad is better than the ipad 2 Aug 19 18:47:18 theres no excuse Aug 19 18:47:19 Yeah, that can't be right Aug 19 18:47:28 I think that Apple's copy of Webkit is faster ... Aug 19 18:47:32 So an Enyo application may run faster Aug 19 18:47:34 why not? it cant be possible their hardware sucks? Aug 19 18:47:40 But I can't think of how a C++ application could run faster Aug 19 18:47:42 apple actually wrote their OS to use the gpu Aug 19 18:47:51 sad-webOS-dev, it cant be because the iPad2 isnt that much different from the TP Aug 19 18:47:53 The TouchPad has a better processor and a lot more memory Aug 19 18:47:59 indeed Aug 19 18:48:05 It has to be a software difference, like Webkit Aug 19 18:48:08 wasnt it an ipad 2? Aug 19 18:48:12 (if at all true) Aug 19 18:48:13 they made some bad decisions at the ground level Aug 19 18:48:26 Enyo is a lot lot faster on my Core2Duo, but no way on simply a different ARM processor Aug 19 18:48:29 either way.. its much better than Android and WP7.. Aug 19 18:48:47 Honeycomb is a joke Aug 19 18:49:03 I want to be able to approach platforms like web browsers Aug 19 18:49:16 I want to use my favorite, and write applications that will run on most of the others Aug 19 18:49:29 yes Aug 19 18:49:37 PhoneGap, NME, etc. Aug 19 18:49:41 its coming Aug 19 18:49:49 phonegap feels like crap Aug 19 18:49:57 webOS, ChromeOS, Mozilla OS, Safari only mode in OSX Lion, Windows 8 Aug 19 18:49:58 Okay, than maybe a PhoneGap alternative :) Aug 19 18:50:01 i love the idea but phonegap apps will never compare to native code Aug 19 18:50:05 I thought PhoneGap was really simple Aug 19 18:50:13 Well, yeah... it's Javascript Aug 19 18:50:15 i can tell when i use a cross platform app Aug 19 18:50:19 how goes the day after #webos? Aug 19 18:50:22 especially one that is a web browser in a container Aug 19 18:50:25 dgarbs, phonegap is similar to all development tools on webOS Aug 19 18:50:25 Wouldn't be any different on Chrome OS Aug 19 18:50:26 these web based OSes are going to take over soon Aug 19 18:50:29 Or a Chrome App Aug 19 18:50:30 or a web app Aug 19 18:50:36 i know this phoque_uni Aug 19 18:50:45 I think that is part of the webOS downfall Aug 19 18:50:54 Okay, then use NME Aug 19 18:51:02 Native for webOS, iOS, Android, Windows, Mac, Linux Aug 19 18:51:04 and Flash Aug 19 18:51:07 touchpad should arrive in the next few hours.. Aug 19 18:51:12 So publish to the web, publish to devices, native Aug 19 18:51:14 need some must-have apps! :) Aug 19 18:51:19 PatrickC, congratulations! :-( Aug 19 18:51:36 lol Aug 19 18:51:40 Kindle is a good one Aug 19 18:51:42 still waiting for mine to ship :x Aug 19 18:51:56 64GB is avail for the US now http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/WW-USSMBPublicStore-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductUUID=KDEQ7EN5fXEAAAEvbdMr_eNP&CatalogCategoryID=dMgQ7habWagAAAEveclKiY4n&JumpTo=OfferList Aug 19 18:51:56 There's a number of fun games Aug 19 18:52:19 they should have sold the 64gb for $350 right out of the gate Aug 19 18:52:19 Need for Speed Hot Pursuit, My Boss, Serpent of Isis Aug 19 18:52:20 aww Aug 19 18:52:21 it would have sold Aug 19 18:52:22 there's a zuma clone Aug 19 18:52:25 * dtzWill hugs sad-webOS-dev Aug 19 18:52:27 based on name alone :( Aug 19 18:52:34 Yeah, the Hexage and 10tons games are good Aug 19 18:52:37 hah. thanks Aug 19 18:52:40 yeah guess i'll activate that $50 and have fun Aug 19 18:53:04 im bummed because webOS was going to be my escape from Android and iOS Aug 19 18:53:16 i'd be so pissed if i early adopted th is at full msrp Aug 19 18:53:17 PatrickC, if you are a redditor my app called Red It should be on the market soon. just wiating for review. Aug 19 18:53:25 that "cut the shape into pieces" app that i cant remember hte name of is cool Aug 19 18:53:29 sad-webOS-dev, that's the saddest fact. All alternatives are sucky in their own way Aug 19 18:53:48 Slice It? Aug 19 18:53:57 sounds about right Aug 19 18:54:06 i mean.. webOS isnt perfect. but i wanted something new. the web is goign to replace native soon.. i want to be ready Aug 19 18:54:16 i figured it was a great place to start Aug 19 18:54:21 sad-webOS-dev: not anytime soon Aug 19 18:54:27 and not with apple leading the way Aug 19 18:54:33 2-5 years Aug 19 18:54:36 zylogz80: is it done? i wasn't sure from your tweets what the status was Aug 19 18:54:40 i think it might not be a terrible idea to form a support group with the symbian developers Aug 19 18:54:43 no way lol Aug 19 18:54:44 Android sucks because Google is split between it and ChromeOS Aug 19 18:54:50 dtzWill: No new devices Aug 19 18:54:55 not really a redditor myself, but i know plenty of people who are.... and nothing like a native app to get you hooked ^.^ Aug 19 18:54:56 Current devices will be sold Aug 19 18:55:02 webOS, the platform, is continuing Aug 19 18:55:16 but to what extent? Aug 19 18:55:24 singmajesty: i meant zylogz80's reddit app Aug 19 18:55:29 haha, okay :) Aug 19 18:55:34 continuing because they dont want to blow $1.2b Aug 19 18:55:46 singmajesty: i did hear that news i think ;) hehe Aug 19 18:55:46 then sell the patents? Aug 19 18:55:49 >>.<< Aug 19 18:55:52 looks like we can submit apps again Aug 19 18:55:55 dtzWill, I decided to release early and go free Aug 19 18:56:04 If HP intended to liquidate webOS, they would have announced that yesterday Aug 19 18:56:05 zylogz80: neat, I'll use a free reddit app Aug 19 18:56:06 zylogz80: thanks for doing that Aug 19 18:56:16 dtzWill, I don't picture being a webos developer being a viable move anymore so I figured no sense in polishing the hell out of it and tring to sell it Aug 19 18:56:22 singmajesty: intent changes Aug 19 18:56:34 zylogz80: open source it? Aug 19 18:56:34 singmajesty: No one knows anything anymore... apparently not even you guys Aug 19 18:56:35 dtzWill, but I will keep updating it. I use it myself afterall :P Aug 19 18:56:42 oh Aug 19 18:56:42 They need to hire Russel Brand to do more videos.. Aug 19 18:56:44 singmajesty: i think "if -> then should have" logic doesn't apply to HP given what we've seen in the last 24 hours. at least not AFAICT Aug 19 18:56:59 summatusmentis, https://github.com/zylogz80/Red-It Aug 19 18:57:00 zylogz80: great, and best endorsement of all: "I use it [daily]" Aug 19 18:57:28 zylogz80: oh for sure understood that being webos dev doesn't seem like a ... financially responsible move at this point :/ Aug 19 18:57:40 for new devs anyway--the rest might as well levae things up and see where things go, idk. Aug 19 18:57:46 zylogz80: oh, that's what you meant by free Aug 19 18:57:47 dtzWill: lol yes, that's accurate Aug 19 18:57:58 if/when they license webos to another manufacturer they better send the touchstone tech with it Aug 19 18:58:00 summatusmentis, I mean as in beer and as in speech Aug 19 18:58:02 they need to come out on Monday with three major partners ready to build devices Aug 19 18:58:05 summatusmentis, it will be no cost Aug 19 18:58:08 zylogz80: even better :) Aug 19 18:58:20 i just can't go back to being asked to plug my phone in again Aug 19 18:58:26 summatusmentis, I was going to charge but the user base is never going to grow now so I figured no point Aug 19 18:58:27 oilsworkn: damn straight, that's one of the major things making me consider frankenpre-ing Aug 19 18:58:34 zylogz80: at least not near term Aug 19 18:58:37 sad-webOS-dev: yeah, but if they had them, wouldn't they already announced it?! Aug 19 18:58:40 lol Aug 19 18:58:56 i know they dont. just sayin. they did it backwards Aug 19 18:59:25 last night i had a dream that this was all a really twisted HP PR stunt Aug 19 18:59:36 hit every single tech news blog, many mainstream ones Aug 19 18:59:47 hah Aug 19 18:59:51 nerd Aug 19 19:00:04 and then flip it around and capitalize on the publicity Aug 19 19:00:04 lol Aug 19 19:00:05 I dunno. the situation sucks but I didn't buy the device for what it might be someday, I bought it for what it is. even if another update is ever pushed or another app is ever published it's still a badass tablet computer. I'll run it into the ground. Aug 19 19:00:11 well i was hoping there would be more insight on this chat.. no ones heard about whats next? Aug 19 19:00:12 my dreams might not have a solid grasp of business. Aug 19 19:00:17 a lucrative licensing schema is probably a better decision for HP than to release it open source, btw Aug 19 19:00:20 pot meet kettle? Aug 19 19:00:28 because phone manufacturers dont want to write large operating systems for their devices anymore Aug 19 19:00:34 or be responsible for improving them Aug 19 19:01:19 sad-webOS-dev: we're all in the same boat, no one knows anything but HP Aug 19 19:01:23 mot6502, we're like weird 80s CPU nick twins Aug 19 19:01:24 and arguably even they don't Aug 19 19:01:38 zylogz80: i had to counter you. sorry Aug 19 19:01:39 word. well.. good luck everyone! Aug 19 19:01:40 I don't think anyone in PSG knows crap Aug 19 19:01:59 I think this hit them just as fast as it hit us Aug 19 19:02:09 someone in HP knows something Aug 19 19:02:19 there's really nothing to know, i think Aug 19 19:02:24 huge bet was placed. touchpad flopped. Aug 19 19:02:26 massive fallout Aug 19 19:02:35 the thing to know is who gets to license Aug 19 19:02:47 yeah, the executive team. and by now DeWitt and co are getting ready to work through the weekend coming up with a business plan Aug 19 19:02:54 i dont think there is any way to know that until the nasty internal corporate civil war ends Aug 19 19:02:59 singmajesty: any new news? Aug 19 19:03:01 PSG will probably spin off, call itself Palm, and license webOS Aug 19 19:03:06 round 3: fight Aug 19 19:03:31 I doubt that Aug 19 19:03:37 zylogz80: that would be amazing Aug 19 19:03:39 i was really hoping to see netbooks running webOS Aug 19 19:03:41 I doubt it to Aug 19 19:03:48 but not if theyre ditching that part of their biz now Aug 19 19:03:50 HP isn't going to let go of the webos IP quite yet, i think Aug 19 19:03:52 PatrickC: I can almost guarantee no one will have any news in IRC Aug 19 19:03:53 WebOS will have an uphil battle against windows 8 Aug 19 19:04:01 on tablet form Aug 19 19:04:06 summatusmentis: one an hope Aug 19 19:04:08 They will probably go back to compaq Aug 19 19:04:09 can* Aug 19 19:04:26 hope all you want, it's not gonna happen Aug 19 19:04:36 haeffb: ping Aug 19 19:04:37 I doubt anyone has any interest on webOS at the moment Aug 19 19:04:41 it's time to just clone webOS. fork chromeOS and then reverse engineer enyo and write a new launcher Aug 19 19:04:47 I should take a month off and do it Aug 19 19:04:53 the webOS Developer events in Sydney, Singapore, Hong Kong, Milan, Madrid, Beijing and Mexico City are continuing Aug 19 19:04:55 not unless hp has a build of webOS that doesnt lag Aug 19 19:04:56 my wife would kill me for wasting the vacation time Aug 19 19:05:01 that we dont know of Aug 19 19:05:07 There will be messaging coming out for developers Aug 19 19:05:21 singmajesty: I don't see nashville in there :) Aug 19 19:05:24 zylogz80: i have some academic experience with operating system design, and i am an active web developer. i know nothing of webos Aug 19 19:05:29 but if you realyl do do it..let me know Aug 19 19:06:25 Those are webOS workshops and CONNECT events. Meet-ups are also continuing :) Aug 19 19:06:46 Hmm… so if I have a TouchPad app that's 99% complete (missing an icon :) ), is there even any point now to release a non-free version? Aug 19 19:06:48 esser, I work at red hat. putting a distro together isn't rocket science and most of webOs is just a run of the mill distro. we'd need a C / SDL developer for the launcher. we could use apt. enyo would be REALLY easy to reverse engineer but we'd proably get hit with a C*D because we can look at the code so it's not clean room Aug 19 19:06:49 singmajesty: any idea on dev communication timeframe? Aug 19 19:07:00 qillerneu: that's up to you Aug 19 19:07:22 I think it will be soon Aug 19 19:07:26 singmajesty: are you sure about them continuing? Aug 19 19:07:28 qillerneu: your choice Aug 19 19:07:31 Hello!. Aug 19 19:07:31 zylogz80: That sucks. Becuase I can write both C and SDL, but i've looked at the enyo source code Aug 19 19:07:32 if it wasn't for the fact that it is an IP minefield I'd be down to try Aug 19 19:07:35 that is funkatron's fault Aug 19 19:07:38 singmajesty: I hope we get the nashville one Aug 19 19:07:41 usually Aug 19 19:08:04 Some new of HP ruining WebOS?. Aug 19 19:08:21 some rouge developer at HP who is sick of it all needs to just GPL webOS and let us run with it. You'll lose your job but I'll get you in at Red Hat :P Aug 19 19:08:38 YES! Aug 19 19:08:38 they'd do more than lose their job Aug 19 19:08:40 once the genie is out of the bottle Aug 19 19:08:44 you can't put it back in Aug 19 19:08:47 taking off, will chat later tonight. Aug 19 19:08:51 and the GPLd version wouldn't be valid Aug 19 19:08:55 laters Aug 19 19:08:58 all that code is copyright HP Aug 19 19:09:04 summatusmentis, that's right Aug 19 19:09:15 Samsung is willing to buy WebOS. Aug 19 19:09:17 they don't get to GPL it, they don't have the right Aug 19 19:09:19 Also ZTE. Aug 19 19:09:20 * zylogz80 is just idling dreaming of a better world where webOS would have a chance at life Aug 19 19:09:24 i love the fact that the redhat employee just suggested we use apt instead of rom. Aug 19 19:09:27 <3 Aug 19 19:09:32 *rpm Aug 19 19:09:40 just came to mind. 6 of 1 half dozen of another imho Aug 19 19:09:52 HP would have full legal rights to use everything in their legal power to rain hellfire down on the developer and the "GPLd" webOS Aug 19 19:10:10 ipkg is roughly apt anyway Aug 19 19:10:12 I know, I know. a man can dream. Aug 19 19:10:20 just wait until it spins off and goes bankrupt Aug 19 19:10:25 then buy the IP rights at auction for pennies Aug 19 19:10:26 Lol Aug 19 19:10:30 zylogz80: you can't license it GPL if you don't own the copyright, silly Aug 19 19:10:38 :) Aug 19 19:10:44 he knows, he said he works for RH Aug 19 19:10:50 * linuxjacques GPL's windows 7 Aug 19 19:11:01 bbl Aug 19 19:11:07 someone could leak all the source code though, I suppose ;) Aug 19 19:11:16 gotta finish school so I can play with the touchpad when it arrives :) Aug 19 19:11:45 Ahm... Aug 19 19:12:03 linuxjacques: sorry, we were talking about an OS that we might want to use Aug 19 19:12:06 not one we're trying to avoid Aug 19 19:12:16 the TP is a fine device, the potential I was looking forward to is never going to occur, but it's a nice device Aug 19 19:12:18 heh ;-) Aug 19 19:12:47 TP + Ubuntu/KDE + Keyboard. Aug 19 19:12:50 summatusmentis, that's the attitude I'm keeping. I like it for what it is today. HP's issues don't effect that Aug 19 19:12:57 And tethering with Palm Pre Aug 19 19:13:01 ;) Aug 19 19:13:16 I do need to get the keyboard and TS quickly though Aug 19 19:13:25 * zylogz80 will likely pick up some spares after the prices fall to absurd firesale prices Aug 19 19:13:31 maybe await a bit until they're cheap Aug 19 19:13:50 summatusmentis: I'm waiting Aug 19 19:14:39 yeah I want some tp ts for $9.99 Aug 19 19:14:48 let's play TouchPad price limbo. how low will it go? I'm thinking $150 on "everything must go" sale in a month Aug 19 19:14:53 Also I'm going to dev a port of qemu to make Windows xp works for TP Aug 19 19:15:07 I'm hoping for $99.99 Aug 19 19:15:13 for the TP Aug 19 19:15:15 I'd buy 5 Aug 19 19:15:15 no way Aug 19 19:15:24 zylogz80: me too Aug 19 19:15:29 $200 at the lowest Aug 19 19:15:36 I'd buy a spare at 200 Aug 19 19:15:39 I would buy as many as allowed lol Aug 19 19:15:41 i dont think i would buy an internet connecting device that doesn't get firmware updates anymore Aug 19 19:15:47 that's a bit like asking to be a botnet Aug 19 19:15:47 to keep if this one bites the dust after my protection plan is up Aug 19 19:15:55 Any bets on the remaining unsold TouchPad inventory getting the Atari ET treatment? Aug 19 19:16:04 I'd buy one at 200, if I could afford it... just for hacking on it Aug 19 19:16:11 vmlemon_: crushed and landfilled? Aug 19 19:16:15 madnificent: long time no see! Aug 19 19:16:16 I'm sure people are lining up to write touchpad malware for all 25,000 potential targets Aug 19 19:16:17 Right, linuxjacques Aug 19 19:16:21 hey PatrickC ! Aug 19 19:16:26 PatrickC: how are you Aug 19 19:16:30 I think 50% chance of that Aug 19 19:16:31 great! Aug 19 19:16:35 vmlemon_, we;ll go dig em up Aug 19 19:16:45 Esser Hp said that is going to support updates and etc. Aug 19 19:16:47 my touchpad should arrive in the next few hours :D Aug 19 19:16:50 TravisAntonio: uh huh. Aug 19 19:16:52 we'll see. Aug 19 19:16:56 esser: they did Aug 19 19:16:59 but then again Aug 19 19:17:00 uh huh Aug 19 19:17:01 where'd they say that Aug 19 19:17:04 take it with a grain of salt Aug 19 19:17:21 I forget Aug 19 19:17:43 all I saw was that they were "going to look maybe into possible uh strategic uh avenues uh leverage synergies of to, uh, you know, value" Aug 19 19:17:48 Hahahahha Aug 19 19:17:58 Well i dont believe hp much Aug 19 19:18:14 BAH Aug 19 19:18:20 can I get a 64gb tp now? Aug 19 19:18:22 dang Aug 19 19:18:32 PatrickC, yup. 599$ Aug 19 19:18:38 as a loaner... Aug 19 19:19:40 argh.. can't use my access code.. I only ordered 2 touchpads.. now 3.. Aug 19 19:19:45 singmajesty Adora: ping Aug 19 19:20:40 What's up? Aug 19 19:21:03 64gb touchpad available as loaner now? Aug 19 19:21:48 I bet you didn't think you'd hear that question today. Aug 19 19:22:10 PatrickC: wtf Aug 19 19:22:13 lol Aug 19 19:22:16 I'm not sure Aug 19 19:22:17 lol Aug 19 19:22:23 why wouldn't they be :) Aug 19 19:22:27 Why do you need a loaner? You just got one, right? :) Aug 19 19:22:34 my access code doesn't work for me anymore.. Aug 19 19:22:34 We call this Stockholm Syndrome Aug 19 19:22:43 singmajesty: I got a 32gb :) Aug 19 19:22:51 What is an access code for? Aug 19 19:22:51 64gb seems.. better ;) Aug 19 19:22:55 :ughh: Aug 19 19:23:01 you realize you will have to send it back either way, right? Aug 19 19:23:02 the loaner site Aug 19 19:23:04 those extra 32GB are really desperately going to affect the usage Aug 19 19:23:10 akanster: I'm buying it Aug 19 19:23:25 32gb is just enough for a tasblet Aug 19 19:23:26 summatusmentis: I could give ubuntu a much bigger space Aug 19 19:23:36 hey :P Aug 19 19:23:40 Tablet. Aug 19 19:23:43 so hp will OpenSource WebOs? Aug 19 19:23:53 DelphiWorld: no. Aug 19 19:24:01 TravisAntonio: do it ;) Aug 19 19:24:03 we don't know* Aug 19 19:24:24 DelphiWorld: What to do?. Aug 19 19:24:25 Lol Aug 19 19:24:26 DelphiWorld: nothing like that has been said Aug 19 19:24:31 TravisAntonio: didn't evean saw it one time in my life... i don't know if is switable for blinds or no Aug 19 19:24:59 http://www.yellowpages.com/delphi-in/blinds ? Aug 19 19:25:00 DelphiWorld: what are you talking about? :P Aug 19 19:25:03 https://twitter.com/#!/HP_Deutschland/status/104582519252451328 <- hp will continue service/support for people that just bought webOS devices Aug 19 19:25:08 TravisAntonio: about WebOs! Aug 19 19:25:09 in english Aug 19 19:25:11 TravisAntonio: i am blind Aug 19 19:25:22 Ah, okay, makes sense Aug 19 19:25:28 TravisAntonio: and i don't know if webOs on a palm mobile phone is switable for blinds or no Aug 19 19:25:43 I'm not sure Aug 19 19:25:59 It has a hardware keyboard, which would probably be much better than most other smartphones Aug 19 19:26:01 I'd be very surprised Aug 19 19:26:14 singmajesty: android has speech-to-text Aug 19 19:26:23 But most interfaces might be difficult to work with Aug 19 19:26:27 True. Aug 19 19:26:31 WebOS does. Aug 19 19:26:35 Speech to text Aug 19 19:27:30 TravisAntonio: nop Aug 19 19:27:42 TravisAntonio: would do text to speech like iOs and android Aug 19 19:27:51 No Aug 19 19:27:57 But theres a homebrew Aug 19 19:27:58 TravisAntonio: if only speech to ext so how do i navigate my touchscreen :P Aug 19 19:28:06 That does speech to text Aug 19 19:28:12 At precentral Aug 19 19:28:38 TravisAntonio: i told you text to speech >:) Aug 19 19:28:46 I knowwwwwwww Aug 19 19:28:47 Lol Aug 19 19:29:13 only 32gb are offered at a discount Aug 19 19:29:18 64 is not Aug 19 19:29:28 Well, I think 32 GB is all we all have Aug 19 19:29:41 I haven't had any trouble with it Aug 19 19:29:44 This monday I'm going to release Windows 98 for Palm Pre -/+/2, hold on Precentral ;) Aug 19 19:29:47 I probably don't even need 32 Aug 19 19:29:47 64 has a newer and faster spec'd processer Aug 19 19:31:14 discount? Aug 19 19:31:16 CTLAdvance: same processer with 1.5 kernel :P Aug 19 19:31:20 singmajesty: if I had the 64, ubuntu would get a 32gb ext3fs :) Aug 19 19:31:25 ah no Aug 19 19:31:31 its a different rev processor Aug 19 19:31:36 PatrickC: sad i have to be reading this channel again because of all the fuss :( Aug 19 19:31:53 >:) Aug 19 19:32:00 madnificent: webOS WILL LIVE!!!! Aug 19 19:32:18 Aug 19 19:32:20 to be quite frank, I think this will happen: Aug 19 19:32:25 CTLAdvance: any source?. Aug 19 19:32:35 HP dev Aug 19 19:32:43 PatrickC: I'm with yu. Aug 19 19:32:47 :P Aug 19 19:32:51 HP is in crazy-mode... they don't care for the OS. no one really wants to buy it. they sell it to apple for the patents it contains. webos dies. Aug 19 19:33:07 * PatrickC slaps madnificent Aug 19 19:33:22 * CTLAdvance takes out a large trout and threatens to use it Aug 19 19:33:30 lets keep it calm in here Aug 19 19:33:45 Madnificent: Samsung is interested. Aug 19 19:33:58 TravisAntonio: source? Aug 19 19:34:01 sorry, that's the apotheker way of working as I see it now... he's playing the corporate refocus card, or so it seems. which means: cash in on anything he doesn't really know. Aug 19 19:34:19 Dont Remember where I saw it, let me find it. Aug 19 19:34:23 Just wait. Aug 19 19:36:17 hola travis Aug 19 19:36:38 hola fxspec06 Aug 19 19:36:40 Heyyyyy :D Aug 19 19:36:41 touchwiz is installing on my galaxy pad Aug 19 19:36:42 Holaaa Aug 19 19:36:43 Lol Aug 19 19:36:51 psh i was speakin to travis Aug 19 19:36:55 jus sayn hi Aug 19 19:36:57 kbk to work Aug 19 19:37:48 TravisAntonio: i think the patent portfolio is worth many times more than the os Aug 19 19:38:10 to whoever said hp is in crazy mode: http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=18890 :) Aug 19 19:38:16 they have a glorious patent portfolio Aug 19 19:38:20 "HP Takes some time of 'to get my head together'" Aug 19 19:38:40 Madnificent: yep, I saw someone wo said that If palm wanted could take even the iPad down just because is a Pda with bigger screen. Aug 19 19:38:51 And Palm is the PDA leader or was.... Aug 19 19:39:12 hurry up UPS! Aug 19 19:39:22 i thought the whole day today at work, what i will do now in my entire spare time. Aug 19 19:39:41 TravisAntonio: and that's why apple will be able to pay more for the company than samsung Aug 19 19:39:53 so my touchpad case came today Aug 19 19:40:01 almost like having the real thing Aug 19 19:40:12 Madnificent: yep. Aug 19 19:40:19 hi madnificent Aug 19 19:40:36 TravisAntonio: and then there are two issues: take the route that Palm took when selling to HP: do the thing that doesn't disrupt the market. Or play the card that a real corporate manager (not leader) would play, that's selling to the highest bidder. Aug 19 19:40:41 Tibfib: which case? Aug 19 19:40:43 official? Aug 19 19:40:45 leiru: \o/ Aug 19 19:40:49 the official one Aug 19 19:40:59 is it nice? Aug 19 19:41:01 TibFib: You can use a Sharpie to draw some cards on the foam that comes on the inside Aug 19 19:41:02 The second card... Aug 19 19:41:06 I like theo fficial case Aug 19 19:41:06 So sad... Aug 19 19:41:18 I'm thinking of getting the JKase one... Aug 19 19:41:22 its cheaper... Aug 19 19:41:32 I like how slim the official one is Aug 19 19:41:46 I had a Targus case before the TouchPad (and its case) were released, but I like the official one better Aug 19 19:41:55 The leather was nice, but it was much larger Aug 19 19:42:09 singmajesty: is the official worth the extra $10? Aug 19 19:42:29 Between the one I had and the official, I'd spend the extra $10 Aug 19 19:42:31 I have to say Aug 19 19:42:38 I just took my galaxy tab out of its case Aug 19 19:42:45 side by side with the touchpad Aug 19 19:42:49 its so clunky Aug 19 19:42:55 touchpad is Aug 19 19:43:00 its enormous Aug 19 19:43:10 Because they're differently-sized tablets? Aug 19 19:43:22 thickness and weight Aug 19 19:43:38 screens arent the same so I dont count them Aug 19 19:43:54 the gtab doesn't have TS capabilities Aug 19 19:46:01 Touchstone Aug 19 19:46:16 who cares the touch stone is another 80 dollar premium over device cost Aug 19 19:46:24 damn...that's one thing I would really miss on a phone.. Aug 19 19:46:32 wireless charging ftw Aug 19 19:46:36 this. Aug 19 19:46:53 honestly its nice, but not 80 dollars nice Aug 19 19:47:00 30 - 40 maybe Aug 19 19:47:08 ^ That's what I paid for it :x Aug 19 19:47:13 wait a bit :) Aug 19 19:47:22 ^ That too Aug 19 19:47:24 I think this might also be why hp failed to gain traction, all of the accessories were way over priced Aug 19 19:47:41 Kinda like some fruit company ;) Aug 19 19:47:43 you paid 80 or 30 - 40 Aug 19 19:47:49 30-40 Aug 19 19:48:01 did you say u got a company discount? Aug 19 19:48:05 mmhm Aug 19 19:48:10 ah ok Aug 19 19:48:11 :) Aug 19 19:49:03 Who owns a TP that wants to join to my dev Team?. Aug 19 19:49:08 anyone around have an extre pre2 they're looking to get rid of? Aug 19 19:49:13 as precentral said: it failed on every front. the idea of webos was briliant, but they killed it in roughly everything they've been doing Aug 19 19:49:25 yep Aug 19 19:49:25 like not adding a gesture area to the touchpad Aug 19 19:49:35 gesture area on the TP would be hard Aug 19 19:49:35 or not ensuring that you could look at multiple cards at once on the touchpad Aug 19 19:49:36 reminds me of a comic about the history of IBM and OS/2 Aug 19 19:49:42 seriously, get a greip Aug 19 19:49:43 grip Aug 19 19:49:45 ugh or at least using the swipe in from left or right Aug 19 19:49:47 summatusmentis: no it wouldn't Aug 19 19:50:12 you're talking about separate sections of touchscreen on all 4 sides of the device Aug 19 19:50:58 well this is why they could have implemented it using the swipe in from left to right Aug 19 19:51:31 TravisAntonio: what does the team do? Aug 19 19:51:52 summatusmentis: yes, but it needn't be as complex as you probably assume. for one thing, the area needn't be that big. secondly, the discovery of what you're requesting can be done in software. ergo, you don't need a good resolution for the touching area (as youĺl touch the screen area as well). Aug 19 19:52:21 madnificent: perhaps Aug 19 19:52:32 Well... Before I planned to use WebOS as a main OS for a company Trakyng Games and the dev team T.A Projects. Aug 19 19:52:47 TravisAntonio: PM? Aug 19 19:52:59 Do you have aim?. Aug 19 19:53:06 gtalk Aug 19 19:53:16 It works on the new aim :P Aug 19 19:53:20 * SimpsonTP wonders if trying to stil get a cheap veer is a bad idea Aug 19 19:53:21 Trakynggames@wow.com Aug 19 19:53:25 lol Aug 19 19:53:29 SimpsonTP: I'd hit it. Aug 19 19:53:37 meaning Aug 19 19:53:50 TravisAntonio: buddy req sent Aug 19 19:53:55 Okay Aug 19 19:53:56 If nothign else to get the tap feature Aug 19 19:53:59 SimpsonTP: how do you go about finding cheap veer? Aug 19 19:54:19 in germany they are cheap about 190,- Aug 19 19:54:24 I've had similar thoughts, or perhaps the pre3, which presumably is still coming out Aug 19 19:54:55 pre3 isnt coming to us Aug 19 19:54:57 US Aug 19 19:54:58 Better add me on my gtalk seems like aim on my pre does not accept request Aug 19 19:55:05 I doubt it will launch anywhere now Aug 19 19:55:11 CTLAdvance: has that been said anywhere? Aug 19 19:55:11 L Aug 19 19:55:13 nooooooo Aug 19 19:55:25 CTLAdvance: http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ Aug 19 19:55:28 Travistavariz Aug 19 19:55:29 I am pretty sure they killed it yesterday Aug 19 19:55:30 It's Aug 19 19:55:35 if not already Aug 19 19:55:37 let me see Aug 19 19:55:42 but Aug 19 19:55:48 Palm may have some to give to devs Aug 19 19:56:00 CTLAdvance: I don't remember seeing anything about cancelling current hardware plans Aug 19 19:56:32 yeah, I almost expect to see the 7" come out at this rate... Aug 19 19:56:38 mmmmm, 7" Aug 19 19:56:43 I like that form factor Aug 19 19:58:03 I mean, they've presumably been ramping up production for some time, if the release was as imminent as people say Aug 19 19:58:14 it's been released in the UK, which suggests there are devices somewhere Aug 19 19:59:05 7" in UK? Aug 19 19:59:36 no no, pre3 Aug 19 19:59:39 sorry Aug 19 19:59:45 In addition, HP reported that it plans to announce that it will discontinue operations for webOS devices, specifically the TouchPad and webOS phones. HP will continue to explore options to optimize the value of webOS software going forward. Aug 19 20:00:00 yeah, "we're not making any new hardware" Aug 19 20:00:03 this basically states that production lines will stop, sell through will continue until stock is sold Aug 19 20:00:09 exactly Aug 19 20:00:24 Anyone heard of any good names to replace "webOS" with? Aug 19 20:00:25 I doubt they would scrap everything Aug 19 20:00:29 but they've presumably got pre3 stock Aug 19 20:00:38 you will probably see only a very limited release of pre3, and not many of the other tablets Aug 19 20:00:50 in European GSM flavors Aug 19 20:00:59 I'm sure we won't see any other tablets Aug 19 20:01:02 Lets see if ATT signs on to it Aug 19 20:01:04 or Verizon Aug 19 20:01:06 although 64gb white came Aug 19 20:01:12 otherwise they may have just dev devices as I said Aug 19 20:01:17 in Europe Aug 19 20:01:21 not in us Aug 19 20:01:25 I'm kinda sorta hoping that they managed to pull the pre3 on sprint Aug 19 20:01:32 but that's so unlikely it's not funny Aug 19 20:01:39 :) Aug 19 20:01:41 summatusmentis: try out the latest nomnomnom? Aug 19 20:02:06 summatusmentis: Do we know what the 64gb white actually looks like? Aug 19 20:02:09 Tibfib: haven't gotten around to it yet Aug 19 20:02:12 We may see the pre3 in the us, for the fact that they continued with the patent changes to it Aug 19 20:02:20 pakl: you can buy it, go check the HP site Aug 19 20:02:21 WELL DO IT WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO DO IN LIFE??? Aug 19 20:02:23 however I assume that is Palm not knowing they were getting cut Aug 19 20:02:28 Tibfib: work? Aug 19 20:02:32 summatusmentis: yeah but what does it look like? Aug 19 20:02:38 summatusmentis: shmeh Aug 19 20:02:51 there might be pictures of it there Aug 19 20:02:55 pakl: I'm telling you, there are likely pictures on the site, go google and figure it out Aug 19 20:03:01 hey sugardave Aug 19 20:03:05 I don't know, I've never seen one Aug 19 20:03:25 64gb is not available in the US Aug 19 20:03:39 some places in europe Aug 19 20:03:52 I wonder how the Australian store made out with HP Aug 19 20:03:59 I heard they just launched on monday Aug 19 20:04:04 exclusive Aug 19 20:04:06 sold 1200 Aug 19 20:04:30 HP shares down more than 20% in wake of yesterday's bloodletting http://t.co/OHxbRAY Aug 19 20:04:31 Tibfib: Where's the Nom^3 source? Github? Aug 19 20:04:37 github Aug 19 20:04:43 I think it's up to date Aug 19 20:04:44 CTLAdvance: 1200 that are being refunded no questions asked. Aug 19 20:05:05 really Aug 19 20:05:07 wow Aug 19 20:05:10 seems the share holders aren't amused. but wasn't the reason for making HP a software corp. some shareholders? Aug 19 20:05:21 apotheker Aug 19 20:05:26 he is the software guy Aug 19 20:05:38 CTLAdvance: Yes. In fact, they're ringing all 1200 purchasers to let them know what has happened and make them aware of the options. Aug 19 20:05:39 he probably painted some rosey future for HP, leaving out his past at SAP Aug 19 20:05:46 (namely refund/exchange) Aug 19 20:05:50 wow Aug 19 20:05:54 Heh, without meaning to sound like a troll, what is the value proposition for WebOS devices now? (Knowing that the backend supporting Synergy (one of the key features) is presumably about to be decommissioned). Aug 19 20:05:54 thats service Aug 19 20:06:00 are there any cross platform sdks that work on WP7? Aug 19 20:06:16 phonegap doesn't atm Aug 19 20:06:17 *consumer value proposition Aug 19 20:06:19 Tibfib: phonegap will soon Aug 19 20:06:20 phonegap does or will Aug 19 20:06:29 it will Aug 19 20:06:34 I would start with that Aug 19 20:06:41 test on your many webOS devices Aug 19 20:06:41 CTLAdvance: They're *not happy* (and I'm a customer). Aug 19 20:06:54 CTLAdvance: phonegap requires cygwin? Aug 19 20:07:07 I know that they werent, I hadnt heard if they went through HP yet as of yesterday Aug 19 20:07:15 must feel burned just launching it on monday Aug 19 20:07:36 launching what? Aug 19 20:07:37 hey, so is the touchpad 4G out already or is it being scrapped completely? Aug 19 20:07:39 phonegap does not, basically it has a make file, but all it does is append a bunch of js Aug 19 20:07:44 then call palm-build etc Aug 19 20:07:47 CTLAdvance: Apparently HP AU doesn't know what is going on, so they said "this isn't good enough, have your touchpads back". Aug 19 20:07:48 palm-package* Aug 19 20:07:58 lovely Aug 19 20:08:43 * Hendikins spoke directly with the franchisee of the store he got it from... who also tried to convince him to take an Android tablet instead of his money back, but that won't be happening. Aug 19 20:08:45 4g touchpad is not out Aug 19 20:08:49 I havent heard if it will launch Aug 19 20:09:01 that may still as it has att promo but could also be doa Aug 19 20:09:10 they may not even produce it Aug 19 20:09:13 lets face it Aug 19 20:09:22 they did a similar thing with the W7 slate Aug 19 20:09:31 they prob have a limited run of whatever they sell now Aug 19 20:09:39 if any were even produced Aug 19 20:10:36 I find the share price drop amusing. That's creating shareholder value. Aug 19 20:10:56 I wonder if HP's board of directors approved the press release... Aug 19 20:11:30 I wonder if HP's board of directors is a bunch of 10 year olds with no idea how to think.. Aug 19 20:11:50 I wonder if they could even organise a root in a brothel (if you'll pardon the expression). Aug 19 20:12:00 root? Aug 19 20:12:31 i love how the board is younger then patrick in hismind Aug 19 20:12:34 Australian slang for doing what one would do in a brothel (amongst other places) Aug 19 20:12:42 oil: yep Aug 19 20:12:49 root for everyone! Aug 19 20:13:19 oil: hahaha. that's how it works for everyone Aug 19 20:14:06 you know, I don't think I could ever do phonegap Aug 19 20:14:21 If I use an OS, I want the apps to be consistent with it Aug 19 20:14:22 * funkatron packages Spaz with PhoneGap Aug 19 20:14:35 Spaz HD? Aug 19 20:14:37 http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ -- damn Twitter, you thorough! Aug 19 20:14:38 funkatron is the exception Aug 19 20:14:42 you guys *do* know that PhoneGap has absolutely nothing to do with the UI, right? Aug 19 20:14:51 yes Aug 19 20:14:54 You could use PhoneGap + Enyo Aug 19 20:14:55 okay then. Aug 19 20:15:00 In theory Aug 19 20:15:16 funkatron: the thing is, I might as well go native since I'd make the UI different for every platform Aug 19 20:15:29 singmajesty: so my app that's written in enyo could be put into phonegap and come out a android app? Aug 19 20:15:42 If Enyo were licensed that way, yes Aug 19 20:15:43 Tibfib: hey, if you like writing 3 separate codebases in different languages, go for it Aug 19 20:15:49 singmajesty: atm that would be violating the license? Aug 19 20:15:51 haha, I don't Aug 19 20:15:54 funkatron: the phonegap tutorials that were on the palm website suggested that phonegap just puts a wrapper around the webview right? Aug 19 20:15:56 titanium > phonegap Aug 19 20:15:56 that's why I probably will JUST do WP7 Aug 19 20:15:57 singmajesty: get on it! :) Aug 19 20:16:02 summatusmentis: that's exactly the case Aug 19 20:16:04 yeah, talk to developers about developing graceful, common user interfaces between X different platforms Aug 19 20:16:04 dgarbs: you have to pay for titanium. Aug 19 20:16:08 we have about 15 years experience with iut Aug 19 20:16:09 who cares Aug 19 20:16:11 at least it isn't crap Aug 19 20:16:13 it's totally doable Aug 19 20:16:17 Tibfib: absolutely untrue. Aug 19 20:16:17 funkatron: so if you want native UI, phonegab doesn't get you that Aug 19 20:16:19 and you dont HAVE to pay for titanium Aug 19 20:16:20 Enyo is only licensed for webOS right now Aug 19 20:16:28 webos has ruined me for other smartphone os Aug 19 20:16:32 I prefer one interface consistent so users dont get confused Aug 19 20:16:33 which we all know is a mistake singmajesty Aug 19 20:16:35 oil: +1 Aug 19 20:16:36 oil: me too Aug 19 20:16:38 I hate 8 different UI;s Aug 19 20:16:40 when my pre- crumbels to dust ill have to go back to a dumbphone Aug 19 20:16:48 oil: same here Aug 19 20:16:56 I'm looking for a pre2 Aug 19 20:16:58 you do NOT have to pay for Titanium Mobile or Desktop Aug 19 20:17:00 oil: Or get a new one off eBay? Aug 19 20:17:07 yeah Aug 19 20:17:11 Yeah, but Titanium takes FOREVER to build Aug 19 20:17:14 Unless something changed Aug 19 20:17:18 i've got 2 sprint pre- sitting in a box Aug 19 20:17:25 When I tried it, it took all of 80 seconds to compile Aug 19 20:17:26 currently unused Aug 19 20:17:27 Every time Aug 19 20:17:28 singmajesty: define "build" in this context Aug 19 20:17:38 do any of you have an extra pre2? Aug 19 20:17:41 Change a line of code, hit compile, have it appear on the device Aug 19 20:17:41 singmajesty: well stop getting it wrong Aug 19 20:17:49 which device? Aug 19 20:17:53 Android Aug 19 20:17:55 titanium builds very quickly IMO Aug 19 20:17:59 welcome to Android. Aug 19 20:17:59 i used it for iOS Aug 19 20:18:10 I compile games for Android, 6 seconds per compile Aug 19 20:18:14 or so Aug 19 20:18:19 C++ Aug 19 20:18:28 Maybe the Java compiler is slow Aug 19 20:18:30 yes, there are steps converting the JS into Java. Aug 19 20:18:37 ...and it probably isn't using any types of incremental builds Aug 19 20:18:46 (or wasn't at the time) Aug 19 20:18:57 you also need the titanium boxes to do the compile Aug 19 20:18:57 i would give jo from dave balmer a try. i don't like jqtouch (ui). and package with phonegap or deploy on server. Aug 19 20:18:59 I agree that it's awful, but that's on andoid only Aug 19 20:19:00 so it depends on how tasked they are Aug 19 20:19:12 esser: I compiled all my build locally Aug 19 20:19:15 i tried titanium last year, and wasnt happy about the free community edition Aug 19 20:19:17 builds even Aug 19 20:19:41 titanium is too clingy :P Aug 19 20:19:42 i think it boils down to, if you don't like it, don't use it Aug 19 20:19:43 leiru: the only things the non-free versions add are some APIs and support plans Aug 19 20:19:49 wanna have a REAL app? $$$$$$ Aug 19 20:19:56 Yeah, maybe their compile for Obj-C is faster Aug 19 20:19:58 ooh, jo might be good Aug 19 20:20:04 Jo is pretty cool. I set up code completion for it in Haxe Aug 19 20:20:07 Works really well Aug 19 20:20:14 Hey, maybe I should do a screencast of it Aug 19 20:20:31 yeah, I'm not trying to be a Titanium advocate. But that's twice today I've heard people say it's pay-for. Aug 19 20:20:43 http://www.joshuagranick.com/blog/2011/08/06/build-mobile-apps-with-jo-and-haxe-javascript/ Aug 19 20:20:47 funkatron: woops Aug 19 20:21:01 The code completion works similar to what you'll see in the Enyo code completion screencast Aug 19 20:21:03 so titanium > phonegap? Aug 19 20:21:09 http://www.joshuagranick.com/videos Aug 19 20:21:22 Titanium uses native widgets Aug 19 20:21:28 PhoneGap uses a WebView Aug 19 20:21:35 Tibfib: they're different products, and try to do different things. Aug 19 20:21:37 They are two different approaches, YMMV Aug 19 20:21:46 ah, I see Aug 19 20:22:17 native widgets seems compelling Aug 19 20:22:18 you know joshthecoder works for Appcelerator, right? you can just ask him q's 8D Aug 19 20:22:20 If I started a game today, I'd use NME Aug 19 20:22:31 If I started an app today, for webOS I'd use Enyo Aug 19 20:22:38 I'd prefer to use Enyo for other platforms as well Aug 19 20:22:43 funkatron: oh, I did not Aug 19 20:22:45 Otherwise, I might try Jo and PhoneGap Aug 19 20:22:55 That's me Aug 19 20:23:20 singmajesty: don't you work for palm? start pushing for allowing enyo on other platforms Aug 19 20:24:27 what makes you think people haven't been doing that? 8) Aug 19 20:24:40 I didn't say that :) Aug 19 20:24:51 We've been working on it Aug 19 20:25:19 A lot of us internally would like to see it happen Aug 19 20:26:01 singmajesty: you work for palm? Aug 19 20:27:19 /me runs haXe OS X installer; dies immediately Aug 19 20:27:25 hmm. Aug 19 20:28:37 welp Aug 19 20:28:52 Yep Aug 19 20:29:15 funkatron: http://haxe.org/forum/thread/2070 ? Aug 19 20:29:33 It installed for me in Snow Leopard. I shared that last tip with someone, and they had it working Aug 19 20:29:49 hello hello Aug 19 20:29:55 that's not a good sign. Aug 19 20:29:58 Is there any way to setup Chrome so that the window keeps the size of the TP screen? Aug 19 20:30:32 Any one know if the US Weer will work with the UK 3g network? Aug 19 20:30:54 RichT23: why not get a UK pre3? Aug 19 20:30:54 RichT23: AT&T uses the same frequencies as the EU Aug 19 20:30:55 RichT23: Yeah, I think it should Aug 19 20:31:07 so if it's an AT&T-branded, or AT&T targetted phone Aug 19 20:31:07 i did have a little google around and didnt find anything clear, apart from the gsm would work =) Aug 19 20:31:08 then yes Aug 19 20:31:09 RichT23: Assuming it is unlocked Aug 19 20:31:09 it should work Aug 19 20:31:21 yeah, can't be locked Aug 19 20:31:24 wait, AT&T does? so does that mean the UK pre3 could work on AT&T? Aug 19 20:31:32 summatusmentis: if it's not locked Aug 19 20:31:34 I used a Pre 3 and Pre 2 in Europe and they both worked fine Aug 19 20:31:37 ok, three parts to this Aug 19 20:31:39 Didn't have a Veer at the time Aug 19 20:31:40 most cool Aug 19 20:31:41 1) Locked/Unlocked. Aug 19 20:31:42 funkatron: ah Aug 19 20:31:48 2) GSM voice & EDGE bands. Aug 19 20:31:54 3) UMTS frequencies Aug 19 20:32:29 so, for 1) Figure it out. 2) Quad band phone? Done. 3) T-Mobile uses the actual north american spectrum. AT&T uses teh EU spectrum in the US. Aug 19 20:32:31 4) bueller Aug 19 20:32:34 that answers every question you should have. Aug 19 20:32:40 i have seen quite a few on ebay Aug 19 20:32:56 android here i come Aug 19 20:33:01 magic Aug 19 20:33:06 dawm! Aug 19 20:33:12 ugh.. I could be waiting till 7 pm :/ Aug 19 20:33:15 I hop not Aug 19 20:33:19 hope* Aug 19 20:33:24 so singmajesty: is it true that everyone internally thought the hardware was crap? Aug 19 20:33:31 i was wating for the official UK release but that might not happen or not for ages any how Aug 19 20:33:48 If you made me pick between a Pre 3 and an Evo 3D, I would hands down prefer the Pre 3 Aug 19 20:33:57 Especially because of the OS Aug 19 20:34:01 ill take an epic Aug 19 20:34:13 OS aside Aug 19 20:34:18 if the evo 3d ran webos Aug 19 20:34:19 then what? Aug 19 20:34:19 i'll take...my phone Aug 19 20:34:27 i know which I would pick Aug 19 20:34:27 I wish android didn't suck Aug 19 20:34:30 so I could go there. Aug 19 20:34:30 dgarbs: Pre3 Aug 19 20:34:36 Tibfib, iknowrite? Aug 19 20:34:39 Tibfib: so true Aug 19 20:34:40 dgarbs: evo 3D Aug 19 20:34:47 same Aug 19 20:34:47 "oh we dont seem to be selling many phones", "do you have them on sale anywhere"... Aug 19 20:34:54 what the heck is HP going to do with 260,000 Touchpads? Aug 19 20:35:02 I'll take a couple Aug 19 20:35:03 give them away :) Aug 19 20:35:05 give them ALL to webOS Internals Aug 19 20:35:09 i'll take one for $100 or less Aug 19 20:35:09 and let them choose Aug 19 20:35:10 they can give them to us developers that wasted all our time Aug 19 20:35:27 thanks for the pointers all Aug 19 20:35:27 dgathright: Bury them next to old ET Atari carts Aug 19 20:35:28 if they destory them, someone should burn down Leo Apothekers houses Aug 19 20:35:36 this just in.. webOS 4.0 now available thru the Early Access Program Aug 19 20:35:38 I like the webOS hardware Aug 19 20:35:42 because he doesn't deserve any Aug 19 20:35:45 * RichT23 loves his pixi but would like soemthign faster Aug 19 20:35:48 I don't Aug 19 20:35:49 dawm: :) Aug 19 20:35:49 dawm: hahahah Aug 19 20:35:50 Personally, I am more of a fan of the rounded, "pebble" sort of design, with soft touch Aug 19 20:35:58 same Aug 19 20:35:58 the touchpad was my first webos device and I still didn't think it was the best Aug 19 20:36:05 singmajesty: yeah I like it Aug 19 20:36:11 PatrickC: Did you ever end up making the frankenpre? Aug 19 20:36:14 i bought it only for the OS, but other consumers wont do that Aug 19 20:36:23 only sad thing about straying away from webos.. Aug 19 20:36:24 However, I would be excited to have webOS on more hardware Aug 19 20:36:26 dgathright: tried, but didn't work Aug 19 20:36:28 wtf am i to do with all these touchstones Aug 19 20:36:35 I'll be doing it again soon Aug 19 20:36:41 dawm: if they have cables, I'll buy them all Aug 19 20:36:42 PatrickC: Bummer Aug 19 20:36:42 hopefully it'll work this time Aug 19 20:36:45 dawm: How many do you have? Aug 19 20:36:59 4 here and 2 out of town Aug 19 20:37:14 I'll take 4 of them Aug 19 20:37:17 name your price Aug 19 20:37:18 I need to get my hands on a pre2 Aug 19 20:37:19 no Aug 19 20:37:25 i just sprinted my pre2 Aug 19 20:37:27 ah Aug 19 20:37:28 haha Aug 19 20:37:28 im happy for now Aug 19 20:37:32 we couldn't properly activate the pre- first Aug 19 20:37:35 I thought you wanted them out Aug 19 20:37:46 dawm: There's the Evo Touchstone hack - http://www.goodandevo.net/2010/06/how-to-mod-htc-evo-4g-to-work-with-palm-touchstone-wireless-charger.html Not sure if its worth your time Aug 19 20:37:47 hell i have a pre- out of town too Aug 19 20:38:22 akanster: evo doesn't have exhibition Aug 19 20:38:34 * Tibfib has 1 pre-, 1 pre+, and 2 pre2s Aug 19 20:38:38 and like 4 touchstones Aug 19 20:38:40 3 in use Aug 19 20:39:04 I feel like I have a pixi size device, but I don't think so Aug 19 20:39:11 Tibfib: have you received your TP yet? Aug 19 20:39:18 nope, monday Aug 19 20:39:26 so how many people are ditching webos Aug 19 20:39:27 lol Aug 19 20:39:30 Tibfib: did you get a dev discount on it? Aug 19 20:39:30 Tibfib: can I buy one of the pre2s off you? Aug 19 20:39:32 if so, give me your touchpads Aug 19 20:39:33 matbee: > off Aug 19 20:39:50 greater than off? Aug 19 20:39:53 matbee: > 1/2 is my bet Aug 19 20:39:57 that didn't come out right Aug 19 20:40:03 lol Aug 19 20:40:10 nobody is ditching webos Aug 19 20:40:12 webos ditched you Aug 19 20:40:16 haha Aug 19 20:40:21 gg Aug 19 20:40:21 PatrickC: UPS? you could be waiting til 9:30pm Aug 19 20:40:33 linuxjacques: it says 7 on their site Aug 19 20:40:36 i shoulda stuck with winmo Aug 19 20:40:37 hoping that's right Aug 19 20:40:39 and winphone Aug 19 20:40:50 the easiest way to get UPS on time on a regular basis is to just sign up for a business pickup account Aug 19 20:40:52 IN SOVIET RUSSIA, WEBOS DITCH YOU Aug 19 20:40:53 atleast i got $$ for doing rom's Aug 19 20:40:58 then they have to be at your place by a certain time every day Aug 19 20:41:01 I had a UPS delivery at 9:45pm last month Aug 19 20:41:10 Hey, I have no regrets for switching to webOS from Windows Mobile 6 Aug 19 20:41:12 Yikes Aug 19 20:41:18 esser: I probably should have said it was a business account Aug 19 20:41:25 ooh Win Mo was horrible Aug 19 20:41:29 singmajesty: TRAITOR! Aug 19 20:41:34 oh, wait Aug 19 20:41:37 nevermind Aug 19 20:41:38 haha Aug 19 20:41:38 singmajesty: What is it like working for HP? Aug 19 20:41:40 PatrickC: you have UPS picking up packages from your house? Aug 19 20:41:41 read that wrong lol Aug 19 20:41:42 you're like 15 Aug 19 20:41:43 whats the culture like? Aug 19 20:41:51 esser: they are dropping off Aug 19 20:41:52 dgarbs: Today and yesterday, interesting :) Aug 19 20:41:55 2 touchpads Aug 19 20:41:59 woo Aug 19 20:42:02 singmajesty: all is well :) Aug 19 20:42:02 what about before the news? Aug 19 20:42:02 my bnc messed up while I was gone Aug 19 20:42:06 was it at least a fun job? Aug 19 20:42:07 twbbas: what?! Aug 19 20:42:16 I really like all the people I know who have worked at Palm Aug 19 20:42:16 I came back and was disconnected Aug 19 20:42:23 So many solid, great people Aug 19 20:42:32 PatrickC: Ubuntu downloaded. I'm now doing the vbox stuff Aug 19 20:42:33 singmajesty: +1 Aug 19 20:42:41 twbbas: dont do vbox! Aug 19 20:42:47 Not just, "Oh hey, they're sort of nice," but more like, "I am *really* proud to know these people" Aug 19 20:42:53 did you come on before or after the acquisition? Aug 19 20:43:03 After, but the letterhead all still said Palm Aug 19 20:43:07 ah Aug 19 20:43:19 wonder what it was like before HP Aug 19 20:43:20 In fact, the benefits, holidays and other things for Palm employees (including me) are different from HP Aug 19 20:43:23 I can't imagine working for them Aug 19 20:43:41 When I imagine all the people I know at Palm, called "HP", I like HP, I think Aug 19 20:43:46 well, I wish you luck Aug 19 20:43:56 ...but I know that is different than the company at large Aug 19 20:44:11 I used to work at Intel. I'm not really a big company person Aug 19 20:44:23 ahh Aug 19 20:44:27 But that's just me. Working in Dev Relations for webOS has been my favorite job, ever. Aug 19 20:44:39 Had my own company for three years, and worked at a lot of design agencies before then Aug 19 20:45:08 Tibfib: is that a "no I don't want to sell one of my pre2s"? Aug 19 20:45:09 PatC your getting 2 touchpads? Aug 19 20:45:09 I'd love to work in that industry but I'm sure that'll never happen Aug 19 20:45:13 When it comes down to it, a "company" is people Aug 19 20:45:20 yes and no Aug 19 20:45:20 The "company you keep", you know? Aug 19 20:45:23 summatusmentis: it's a I'm not sure :/ Aug 19 20:45:23 I wonder if I'll get to keep my loaner device Aug 19 20:45:23 in all this mess, i wonder who owns the rights to the Treo name and hardware design, and if I could buy it for $2 Aug 19 20:45:25 CTLAdvance: yes Aug 19 20:45:28 Yeah, yes and no Aug 19 20:45:29 lol why Aug 19 20:45:33 the people can be united, but it doesn't matter w hen the CEO is a douche Aug 19 20:45:36 Tibfib: ok, fair enough. Well, dibbs if you decide :) Aug 19 20:45:45 okay Aug 19 20:45:52 I'm sure the people of North Korea are cool, but their leader is a dick Aug 19 20:45:58 haha Aug 19 20:46:00 CTLAdvance: parents want to try it, I'm buying mine, they are using a loaner Aug 19 20:46:05 hp doesn't need them lol Aug 19 20:46:10 Yeah, I was just thinking of the parallels between your comment and governments Aug 19 20:46:12 You're parents are using a loaner? Aug 19 20:46:13 nope Aug 19 20:46:15 are they developers? Aug 19 20:46:26 they are using the one we are buying Aug 19 20:46:27 anyways, I hope it works out for you Aug 19 20:46:34 I'm using the loaner Aug 19 20:46:39 It is partly the people around you, partly the government over you, especially if the government is intent on going bankrupt Aug 19 20:46:48 they are part of my business, my dad helps me dev Aug 19 20:47:04 can we just agree, people typically suck? Aug 19 20:47:14 i disagree Aug 19 20:47:15 :P Aug 19 20:47:19 and it sucks when the small amount of good people are stuck working under the people that suck Aug 19 20:47:35 the people who suck get to the top for a reason Aug 19 20:47:39 it's more like"there's always one guy who's a pain in the ass" Aug 19 20:47:56 people are corrupt, and lazy, and while screw over the good guys to get ahead Aug 19 20:48:02 s/while/will/ Aug 19 20:48:14 AND THEN THERE'S THOSE LOSERS THAT CAN'T SPELL! Aug 19 20:48:18 I HAT THEM! Aug 19 20:48:20 I HAT THEM! Aug 19 20:48:21 haha Aug 19 20:48:30 zOMG Aug 19 20:48:48 bad spllers just got pwned, jst now Aug 19 20:49:10 relly? Aug 19 20:49:23 that evo touchstone mod makes the evo a more compelling alternative Aug 19 20:49:26 interesting Aug 19 20:49:26 4 relz Aug 19 20:49:45 arg, I don't really want to learn silverlight Aug 19 20:49:54 summatusmentis: the only good thing about the Evo is using it for tethering :/ Aug 19 20:50:10 That's what my Veer/Pre 3 is for Aug 19 20:50:23 perhaps I'll just start learning c++/c and work on pdk games Aug 19 20:50:27 * halfhalo-work wants pre3 kthxby Aug 19 20:50:28 singmajesty: what provider to you use your Veer/Pre 3 on? Aug 19 20:50:32 Well, and C++ on webOS is way more fun than other platforms Aug 19 20:50:34 at&t... Aug 19 20:50:47 Yeah, the Veer is only on AT&T in the US Aug 19 20:50:51 C++ is hard Aug 19 20:50:59 singmajesty: like boring gradeschool teacher fun, or recess fun? Aug 19 20:51:01 * funkatron takes his ball and goes home Aug 19 20:51:14 funkatron: the problem is, I don't really like web development itself Aug 19 20:51:18 Boot up Linux or Mac OS. Aug 19 20:51:21 too many browsers to support, etc. Aug 19 20:51:24 (with SDK installed) Aug 19 20:51:25 oh yeah, I totally am coming from there Aug 19 20:51:29 type "novaterm" in a terminal Aug 19 20:51:33 Hey! I'm a root user Aug 19 20:51:38 actually WP7 dev is supposed to be pretty nice Aug 19 20:51:47 is it? Aug 19 20:51:51 yep Aug 19 20:51:51 funkatron: The tools are pretty good Aug 19 20:51:57 MS always does good tool work Aug 19 20:52:07 Most of my work in C++ is to make NME better Aug 19 20:52:09 VS Studio + Silverlight + Expression Blend Aug 19 20:52:17 It is a lot like Flash, but it performs faster Aug 19 20:52:19 isn't MS killing silverlight next year Aug 19 20:52:22 so 30 FPS on a Pre Aug 19 20:52:42 crimsonredmk: wait, whatt? Aug 19 20:52:45 MS does whatever it want Aug 19 20:52:47 wants* Aug 19 20:53:18 http://gigaom.com/video/microsoft-giving-up-on-silverlight-joining-html5-party/ Aug 19 20:53:20 NME is fun Aug 19 20:53:42 slowly moving away from silverlight Aug 19 20:53:43 C is kind of a pain when you have to handle garbage collection, memory, etc Aug 19 20:53:47 not killing it i guess Aug 19 20:54:04 I'd prefer to spend more time focusing on gameplay Aug 19 20:54:28 I like that C makes you handle memory Aug 19 20:54:34 I'm not very good at it Aug 19 20:54:34 crimsonredmk: thanks for the link Aug 19 20:54:36 but I like it Aug 19 20:54:36 * funkatron handles memory Aug 19 20:54:39 I do *not* want android, ios, or wp7 on my next phone... without webos I'd seriously consider going back to a dump phone Aug 19 20:55:04 * RagingMind is dealing with a nearly dead droid and felt the need to share Aug 19 20:55:05 I'm hoping to get my hands on a cheap pre2 and keep using that for a while Aug 19 20:55:16 http://servicesangle.com/blog/2011/08/19/top-10-smartest-and-snarkiest-tweets-about-the-hp-turmoil/ - Top 10 Smartest and Snarkiest Tweets About the HP Turmoil ;) Aug 19 20:55:23 and see where the next 12-18 monthts takes us Aug 19 20:55:39 I can stil order a 3 in UK Aug 19 20:56:26 RagingMind: Oddly enough, that was the sort of point I had to make to the guy from the place I got the TP from when he was trying to convince me to exchange rather than refund. Aug 19 20:56:41 I posted several funnier statuses than those 8D Aug 19 20:56:52 and snarkier. smarter? no. Aug 19 20:57:06 snark, snark. Aug 19 20:57:43 Oh, I'm thinking "snarf," not snark. Sorry Aug 19 20:57:44 http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLt1CdOUUXSZcE_mHJdrsUsSPAsBFBYIHYYVNRPK5HMH6cCUZtfg Aug 19 20:57:49 PatrickC: pong Aug 19 20:57:56 Thunder Cats! Hooo! Aug 19 20:58:02 so, anything new in webOSland? Aug 19 20:58:02 haeffb: what 2 cases did you get? Aug 19 20:58:14 haeffb: nope. peachy. Aug 19 20:58:25 my touchpad should be arriving soon :) Aug 19 20:58:25 haha ahhh, snarf. Aug 19 20:59:19 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DD287W Aug 19 20:59:41 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005C856F4 Aug 19 20:59:54 Sword of omens, give me sight beyond sight! Aug 19 21:00:12 god dammit Aug 19 21:00:13 both are exact same thing. They're "OK" slide-in cases, but kinda cheaply made. The HP case is MUCH nicer. Aug 19 21:00:25 I fucking bought a $45 HP case for that fucking thing yesterday Aug 19 21:01:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6FsT3EaZ5c Aug 19 21:01:27 this is why I am not an early adopter Aug 19 21:01:30 I'm going to get so many people winding me up about this on Monday. Bah. Aug 19 21:01:45 remind me never to be an early adopter again Aug 19 21:02:31 I'm going for the different tactic of never being a HP adopter again. Aug 19 21:02:38 You people heard them all wrong. What HP clearly said was, they were going to "Make it White"! Aug 19 21:03:13 yeah, i'm done buying HP Aug 19 21:03:46 jkendrick is reporting that AT&T cancelled app pre3 preorders Aug 19 21:04:02 doesnt surprise me. Aug 19 21:04:29 * haeffb unsold two TouchPads today. :( Aug 19 21:04:58 Mine goes back on Monday. Aug 19 21:05:09 hp stock down 20% Aug 19 21:05:11 had two cow orkers lined up to buy them Aug 19 21:05:14 holy cow Aug 19 21:05:17 I'll just go back to not using a tablet. Aug 19 21:05:25 I'm keeping mine Aug 19 21:05:26 fxspec06: $12Billion Aug 19 21:05:31 running it till it dies Aug 19 21:05:34 wow Aug 19 21:05:39 according to precentral, anyhow Aug 19 21:05:40 or till something better comes along Aug 19 21:05:41 wow, just... wow Aug 19 21:05:49 summatusmentis: Mine is not worth RRP after this. Hence being returned. Aug 19 21:05:50 $12Billion in shareholder revenue Aug 19 21:06:03 is it just me Aug 19 21:06:09 or is that way worse than webos Aug 19 21:06:12 Apotheker tanked HP stock to the tune of $12Billion Aug 19 21:06:18 Hendikins: RRP? Aug 19 21:06:26 I'm also past return dates Aug 19 21:06:29 so... yeah Aug 19 21:06:50 Baack. Aug 19 21:06:53 like, do i just not know business? hp will lose more from yesterday than if it didn't happen? or is that wrong Aug 19 21:07:02 anyone t hat used an amex card to buy it has some recourse Aug 19 21:07:19 they paid $1.2B for Palm, iirc Aug 19 21:07:20 someone wise up and fire him Aug 19 21:07:24 had hp spent the $10B they are talking about for the autonomy purchase on mobile and webOS, they would have OWNED the mobile market, and their stock would go UP. Aug 19 21:07:29 Leo A is an ass. Aug 19 21:07:29 maybe this is what leo wanted / expected, re $12B losses Aug 19 21:07:56 http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/why-leo-apotheker-will-be-fired-from-hewlett-packard/ - from HN Aug 19 21:08:04 hi, rick. Aug 19 21:08:08 hi Aug 19 21:08:11 rboatright: Leo seems to have been brought in for the express purpose of making HP not stagnant Aug 19 21:08:12 it's like "old home week" in here today... :) Aug 19 21:08:14 I'm leaving work early. Aug 19 21:08:15 and that's what he's doing Aug 19 21:08:29 the longer I deal with this, the less happy I get. I'm done. Aug 19 21:08:41 apparently not stagnant means doing things THAT WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE Aug 19 21:08:49 what do you do rboatright Aug 19 21:08:57 rboatright: I know the feeling Aug 19 21:09:16 (not a good feeling) .. =[ Aug 19 21:09:29 I'm a partner in a small independent software developer specializing in vertical market management tools for not-for-profit agencies, particularly those who care for mentally retarded adults. Aug 19 21:10:08 that was a lot of buzzwords Aug 19 21:10:10 We also do other highly specialized management and "front of store" software for very narrow verticals. Aug 19 21:10:29 it's a lot of buzzwords, but it really describes what I do. Aug 19 21:10:36 http://www.vocshop.com Aug 19 21:10:59 nice website Aug 19 21:11:12 my bread-and-butter is a time-and-attendence system for agencies that run sheltered workshops where severly retarded workers make less than the federal minimum wage. Aug 19 21:11:28 You have to jump through pretty substantial hoops for that, and our software does it for you. Aug 19 21:11:44 rboatright: oh, I don't disagree, just lots of buzzwords Aug 19 21:12:01 Our "compass" software does case management, accident and incident tracking, attendance, meds management, notes etc for those agencies. Aug 19 21:12:23 VERY NARROW VERTICALS Aug 19 21:12:27 there's always hoops to jump through if you want to get anywhere with anything involving health, care, gov't Aug 19 21:12:34 Dump WebOS Winning? Aug 19 21:12:41 typically I have 1 or 2 national competitors in any vertical we enter. Aug 19 21:13:08 http://www.tomsguide.com/us/TouchPad-Pre-3-Palm-webOS-Best-Buy,news-12229.html Aug 19 21:13:11 Bajan, HP Stock down 20%... HP valuation down $12B, so "no." Aug 19 21:13:16 I'm gonna find that landfill Aug 19 21:13:25 And take me some touchpads. Aug 19 21:13:37 lol Aug 19 21:13:37 they'll run them throuugh a woodchipper first. Aug 19 21:13:40 they always do. Aug 19 21:13:42 Nooo. Aug 19 21:13:50 They must keep them intact. Aug 19 21:14:12 this is pretty rough blog about webos Aug 19 21:14:16 http://www.marco.org/2011/08/19/rose-colored-glasses Aug 19 21:15:29 nah, I mostly agree with it. Aug 19 21:15:44 although I'd call it flawed software, not mediocre Aug 19 21:15:56 hardware was absolutely not the only issue there Aug 19 21:16:59 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/the-engadget-interview-hps-stephen-dewitt-discusses-the-state/ Aug 19 21:17:19 can the OS be nuked and something elese be installed? Aug 19 21:17:39 They should have a firesale. Aug 19 21:18:18 I don't believe a word DeWitt says Aug 19 21:18:52 his last interview with Engadget was filled with defensiveness and fudging Aug 19 21:20:00 haha Aug 19 21:20:15 really? Lead off with "We heard you're buying Motorola, is that right?" Aug 19 21:20:35 why would they buy motorola Aug 19 21:20:46 they were just fucking with him Aug 19 21:20:52 and I appreciate that Aug 19 21:21:12 i love how that question got a novel as an answer, though Aug 19 21:21:19 "No. But, <5000 words>" Aug 19 21:21:37 haha yes Aug 19 21:21:40 but whatever. this is executive-speak BS. nothing solid here. Aug 19 21:23:50 "pari passu bake off" ?? Aug 19 21:24:44 ! Aug 19 21:24:57 latin for penis sword fight Aug 19 21:25:51 meh. Aug 19 21:26:29 heh Aug 19 21:26:36 if HP doesn't believe in webOS enough to develop hardware for it, who would? Aug 19 21:27:28 I wish sites would stop spouting the "webos runs twice as fast on an ipad' BS as fact Aug 19 21:28:01 linuxjacques: or the reason being that the touchpad is single core? Aug 19 21:28:38 haha, yeah Aug 19 21:28:52 Truth in journalism Aug 19 21:29:21 pakl: yeah, that too Aug 19 21:31:59 fairytale ending: Leo A is sacked over the weekend due to tanking stock prices, new CEO is Rubinstein who says "Kill webOS? No way!" Aug 19 21:32:53 now click your heels 3 times Aug 19 21:39:50 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17548 Aug 19 21:41:38 PUPPIES! Aug 19 21:41:43 fairy tale ending: a bunch of devs start to look at what on their devices are compiled, and figuring out how they interact with the system at large and then replace them. Aug 19 21:42:15 and eventually enough are repalced that you have an open source OS, and can bring it onto other hardware Aug 19 21:42:22 pu...ppies? Aug 19 21:43:02 i wish someone would leak the source Aug 19 21:43:04 whooops Aug 19 21:43:17 accidentally uploaded all of webos to github Aug 19 21:43:17 singmajesty would never do that Aug 19 21:43:23 no, that's silly. Aug 19 21:43:26 and illegal Aug 19 21:43:44 when did legalness become ill? Aug 19 21:43:57 it can start with simple things, like repalcing luna-send Aug 19 21:44:53 it's a lot more fun and constructive than fantasizing about what will never happen Aug 19 21:44:59 those puppies are so calming... ah... :) Aug 19 21:45:09 it wouldn't be unreasonable to rewrite a lot of these pieces in pure JS too using node Aug 19 21:55:22 singmajesty: puppies? Aug 19 21:56:04 Tibfib, http://www.damnlol.com/nomnomn-evidence-nomnomnomn-867.html Aug 19 21:56:09 why is the stephen dewitt interview not making me feel better? Aug 19 21:56:33 i remember that chuq posts images some times. Aug 19 21:56:45 LOOK... A PUPPY! Aug 19 21:59:11 Look... squirrel! Aug 19 22:00:11 i saw a sea lion once awhile from him Aug 19 22:00:26 but can't remember, which case it was Aug 19 22:00:28 Laughed my head off today watching that Hitler clip Aug 19 22:00:29 PuffTheMagic: hahaahahah Aug 19 22:01:00 gokr: heh, me too Aug 19 22:06:02 gokr: lol i am german Aug 19 22:06:20 have to put out the sound Aug 19 22:06:33 as the spoken and the english written are so confusing together Aug 19 22:06:46 Hehe, right. Aug 19 22:08:47 linuxjacques, which interview? Aug 19 22:09:33 PuffTheMagic: there's one on Engadget, just today Aug 19 22:11:25 hmm, interesting interview Aug 19 22:11:27 lol, the video is great Aug 19 22:11:29 HP already killed webOS? Aug 19 22:11:35 ... Aug 19 22:11:42 Does that mean the app catalog is coming down? Aug 19 22:11:47 I've been gone all week. Aug 19 22:11:48 we don't know Aug 19 22:11:53 no one knows anything Aug 19 22:11:58 it does not look like it will be shut down Aug 19 22:12:39 leiru: have the link to the video? Aug 19 22:12:49 no one knows anything <- this is the maddening part Aug 19 22:12:59 aye Aug 19 22:13:09 i wonder if we can save up enough pennies to buy palm Aug 19 22:13:17 get in line Aug 19 22:13:19 akanster: but at least Chuq poster the puppies Aug 19 22:13:44 I wish matt would come in here so I can point him to https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17500 Aug 19 22:15:30 Engadget interview suggests that hp is only stopping manufacturing of webOS devices? Aug 19 22:15:44 PuffTheMagic: http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/the-engadget-interview-hps-stephen-dewitt-discusses-the-state/ Aug 19 22:15:50 Someone else could start making better hardware, wouldn't be too bad really. Aug 19 22:19:14 someone give me somethign to do Aug 19 22:19:20 welp...there's already one false statement in that interview Aug 19 22:19:30 "the" webOS ? Aug 19 22:19:31 haha Aug 19 22:20:04 nah, I was thinking about the "you aren't going to find anyone with a longer relationship with microsoft" Aug 19 22:20:11 except IBM Aug 19 22:20:19 relationship can be a relative term Aug 19 22:20:28 can be perfectly true Aug 19 22:20:30 let's be fair Aug 19 22:20:38 at the C-executive level Aug 19 22:20:43 every term is relative Aug 19 22:20:50 hehe Aug 19 22:20:53 yes, yes Aug 19 22:21:57 still...they should be saying things like "we've been in talks with unnamed company" not "now we can explore" Aug 19 22:22:01 http://www.damnlol.com/gym-balls-fail-1047.html Aug 19 22:22:25 ^^ makes u forgot about the webos situation Aug 19 22:22:58 guy with white ball is palm Aug 19 22:24:39 haahahahahahah Aug 19 22:24:54 they all ganged up on him Aug 19 22:25:32 lol Aug 19 22:26:35 sold my Pres Aug 19 22:27:59 even if they are keeping webos alive, they effectively just set it back to day 1 Aug 19 22:28:13 except now there are not even any fanboys Aug 19 22:28:18 ^ Aug 19 22:28:48 dgarbs: constant confusing messages to developers Aug 19 22:29:18 what I'm most amazed about is the fact that they mentioned it within 2 weeks of the staples deal Aug 19 22:29:30 so everybody that bought theirs through staples is still within the return window Aug 19 22:30:22 that are peanuts against the 12 bil. they lost in shares-value. Aug 19 22:30:31 haha true enough Aug 19 22:30:44 im sure they didn't see that coming though Aug 19 22:30:53 lol Aug 19 22:31:36 how do you wipe the TP back to stock? Aug 19 22:31:42 it's in some way funny for a normal thinking person, but it seems to be the bitter reality- Aug 19 22:31:48 device info > reset > secure erase Aug 19 22:32:00 thanks Aug 19 22:32:15 like every normal person wouldn't jump out of the 13th floor. Aug 19 22:32:24 the touchpad was my first webos device after keeping an eye on precentral for like 2 years now Aug 19 22:32:32 and its sad that i had no choice but to return it Aug 19 22:32:32 dgarbs me too Aug 19 22:33:03 i tried to suspend my disbelief that HP could be anything other than a shitty company Aug 19 22:33:25 http://twitter.com/#!/BrandonWatson/statuses/104681012000337920 Aug 19 22:33:56 mmm parasitic behavior Aug 19 22:34:59 then my only loss is cost of case and keyboard Aug 19 22:35:21 whered you get them? Aug 19 22:35:28 and the skinomi Aug 19 22:35:39 i'm returning my touchstone to the hp store Aug 19 22:35:40 thru Amazon Aug 19 22:35:50 I am actually buying one on sunday. Mmm, crazy perhaps. Aug 19 22:35:51 who knows, maybe amazon will hook you up Aug 19 22:35:58 that is crazy gokr Aug 19 22:36:06 at least wait until the price falls Aug 19 22:36:08 I could try returning them but I have to pay shipping Aug 19 22:36:31 dgarbs: any reason to think it will drop? Aug 19 22:36:38 lol Aug 19 22:36:41 um yeah Aug 19 22:36:48 its going to drop like a brick Aug 19 22:37:11 the device has no future and theres apparently 250k+ unsold units out there Aug 19 22:37:18 I'd buy another 32 id it was not $399 Aug 19 22:37:19 woot Aug 19 22:37:22 soo getting one Aug 19 22:37:39 I *really* hope they fire sale them instead of destroying and taking the tax write-off Aug 19 22:38:01 such a waste if they do that Aug 19 22:38:13 but it's all about the quick $ to them Aug 19 22:38:18 they proved that yesterday Aug 19 22:38:21 im sure it'll come down to whatever makes more money Aug 19 22:38:39 tax write-off is better deal for HP I believe Aug 19 22:38:47 i'd think so too Aug 19 22:38:50 dgarbs: certainly not what would be best for the developers :) Aug 19 22:39:03 they still have to handle them Aug 19 22:39:05 PuffTheMagic: way to get me completely off track Aug 19 22:39:07 thanks Aug 19 22:39:48 OH MY : http://www.damnlol.com/the-human-slingshot-1110.html Aug 19 22:43:36 hahaha: http://www.damnlol.com/ill-have-what-hes-having-1121.html Aug 19 22:46:08 whoa.. that human slingshot can't be real Aug 19 22:46:41 I know, it's ridiculous Aug 19 22:49:03 http://www.damnlol.com/best-eulogy-1126.html Aug 19 22:49:25 that may be the funniest thing I've seen all week Aug 19 22:54:09 Tibfib, you are ruining my productivity!! Aug 19 22:54:13 http://www.damnlol.com/cutest-gif-ever-1139.html Aug 19 22:55:47 blame PuffTheMagic the first Aug 19 22:59:42 Anyone know how touch to share works at hardware level? I know it's another touchstone-ish coil, but I can't get any concrete details on it Aug 19 23:00:02 Has anyone tried to reverse the protocol? Aug 19 23:00:43 http://www.damnlol.com/damn-goats-1229.html Aug 19 23:00:51 rrix, ya it works Aug 19 23:00:56 other apps can use it Aug 19 23:01:02 look at hello app in wosi git repo Aug 19 23:01:58 PuffTheMagic: I mean the hardware protocol, not the backend code of it Aug 19 23:02:19 Like, say I wanted to make my own TTS hardware, does anyone know HOW tts actually works? Aug 19 23:02:45 All I can find is that it's "like the touchstone induction coil" but no idea on frequencies, protocols, or anything Aug 19 23:02:54 we know "how" it works, but not the protocol Aug 19 23:02:55 it just does a handshake for bluetooth data transfer Aug 19 23:03:03 hmm Aug 19 23:03:07 but the coil shit is just to initiate a bt pairing Aug 19 23:03:11 then its all over bt Aug 19 23:03:12 Right Aug 19 23:03:47 * rrix wouldn't mind figuring that shit out with an o-scope but I'm not opening up my touchpad, I don't trust myself to be able to reassemble it Aug 19 23:03:55 it's not exactly user serviceable :( Aug 19 23:06:00 Hacking up a nice little TTS dongle for my laptop would be a fun project, but meh. Oh wells Aug 19 23:08:05 Who else has opensauced there applications today? Did I miss any fun flailing in the channel? Aug 19 23:13:06 * webOSNewbie is super mad at HP Aug 19 23:15:30 Why did they have to cancel ALL devices and spend 12-18 MONTHS "researching"?!!!!!!! Aug 19 23:15:35 rrix: you didn't miss anything because HP is not saying anything. Aug 19 23:16:08 what's left for webOS? Aug 19 23:17:28 a lot of hot air Aug 19 23:17:40 hot air? Aug 19 23:18:23 webOSNewbie: You've a lot to learn about the nonsense of corporate culture, young padawan :) Aug 19 23:18:33 I am only 13! Aug 19 23:18:35 indeed Aug 19 23:18:40 birthday yesterday Aug 19 23:18:45 ask twbass Aug 19 23:18:57 I only worked for IBM for slightly less than a year, and I learned tons from that Aug 19 23:19:47 heh, WP7's Brandon Watson is getting tons of responses from webOS devs Aug 19 23:20:02 I'd say the only thing more educational about corporate politics than that was the time I did as a temp for USPS...lots of backstabbing between union and management there Aug 19 23:20:04 who's he? Aug 19 23:20:10 http://www.damnlol.com/right-in-the-ass-1345.html Aug 19 23:20:32 ouch Aug 19 23:20:55 what? Aug 19 23:21:31 i think im gonna make a dalmlol ap Aug 19 23:21:44 http://www.damnlol.com/duck-bite-1366.html Aug 19 23:21:45 probably not for webos Aug 19 23:21:51 yes for webos Aug 19 23:21:56 why? Aug 19 23:22:03 it's gone Aug 19 23:22:04 its not dead Aug 19 23:22:15 lots of webos devices out there Aug 19 23:22:25 i hardly know mojo, and hp discontinued everytrhing! Aug 19 23:22:32 I'm typing terrible Aug 19 23:22:42 they are not putting shit out there Aug 19 23:22:45 hw wise Aug 19 23:22:48 * webOSNewbie isn't used to that Aug 19 23:23:07 they canceled in-house hardware Aug 19 23:23:41 So what's the state of webOS? Aug 19 23:23:48 "Who knows right now" Aug 19 23:23:58 Why freak out without knowing anything? Aug 19 23:24:03 software lives on Aug 19 23:24:11 Where can I download Enyo and Mojo? Aug 19 23:24:18 i assume they will at least keep webos going for a while if not to get a class action for releasing a product and not getting all the software bugs/inefficiencies out Aug 19 23:24:18 The same place you could two days ago Aug 19 23:24:34 where? Aug 19 23:24:44 developer.palm.com Aug 19 23:24:52 I can't find it Aug 19 23:25:05 Download the SDK Aug 19 23:25:12 halfhalo-work: software lives on what? Aug 19 23:25:39 rrix: where is it in the SDK? Aug 19 23:25:49 it uses virtualbox images. you can download 2.1 image if you want mojo and add it to the sdk Aug 19 23:25:58 I LINKED YOU ABOVE Aug 19 23:26:02 I ... There's a giant button right there Aug 19 23:26:08 Like, RIGHT there :) Aug 19 23:26:11 I'm looking for actual Enyo and Mojo framework APIs Aug 19 23:26:17 It's in the SDK. Aug 19 23:26:23 Where? Aug 19 23:26:29 3rd base Aug 19 23:26:33 ? Aug 19 23:26:33 the left side Aug 19 23:26:34 Read what kirksutton wrote Aug 19 23:26:41 * rrix throws his hands up Aug 19 23:26:43 kirkbutton? Aug 19 23:26:46 oh. Aug 19 23:26:46 :ughh: Aug 19 23:26:51 sorry Aug 19 23:26:56 school is hard on me Aug 19 23:27:08 12 in Eighth grade isn't fun Aug 19 23:27:15 at least im 13 now Aug 19 23:27:17 You get by Aug 19 23:27:20 no doubt Aug 19 23:27:26 hmmm Aug 19 23:27:30 What should I work on Aug 19 23:27:39 I've been using Remember the Milk all day, not sure if I like it yet Aug 19 23:27:59 I really should just bring proper tasks support back to enyo's synergy and implement a not-shitty tasks applet Aug 19 23:28:01 rrix work on making a webos style home launcher on android haha Aug 19 23:28:02 er, app Aug 19 23:28:13 kirksutton: Ew, no. Do not want to android Aug 19 23:28:25 haha i don't blame you Aug 19 23:28:28 I still would like a widget board Aug 19 23:28:31 I could try to put Plasma Active on my touchpad, but I don't think there are prebuilt ARM images Aug 19 23:28:40 Plasma Active? Aug 19 23:28:45 i honestly don;t like webos on tablets at all Aug 19 23:28:56 http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active kde's mobile shell Aug 19 23:29:04 Kool! Aug 19 23:29:05 i have one but the card view being all there is is a waste of space Aug 19 23:29:22 i want a tleast a widget above and below card view Aug 19 23:29:31 I don't feel like setting up Yet Another ARM Toolchain though, feh. Aug 19 23:29:39 for phones, nothing is better than webos Aug 19 23:29:44 Yep. Aug 19 23:29:56 And tablets, I think Aug 19 23:30:00 webos on tablets is nice; enyo does a good job Aug 19 23:30:08 Mojo on tablets is painful Aug 19 23:30:17 but that's more an artifact of bad porting Aug 19 23:30:24 i have to disagree on that one, it could be but being exactly like webos on phones i do not like Aug 19 23:30:28 "we'll put a backbutton in the dropdown menu" Aug 19 23:30:37 I would like a big Mojo, not a simulated one Aug 19 23:30:42 webOSNewbie: You can do that Aug 19 23:30:51 REALLY? Aug 19 23:30:52 and it is still painful Aug 19 23:30:56 ... yes Aug 19 23:31:00 preware does it, at least Aug 19 23:31:00 I can't handle JS Aug 19 23:31:09 that's why i need it Aug 19 23:31:39 what are you doing to not use JS? Aug 19 23:31:47 SDL :P Aug 19 23:31:54 I just am not comfy with it Aug 19 23:32:13 I only do HTML/XHTML Aug 19 23:32:19 hmm, I could work on rewriting that Qt SDL gfxplugin... Aug 19 23:32:31 Bleh, so unmotivated to hack on anything right now Aug 19 23:32:58 i am about to go read a book and forget about today hah Aug 19 23:34:27 sorry for being trouble Aug 19 23:34:33 no trouble Aug 19 23:34:37 i'm just confused about webos Aug 19 23:34:46 more than before Aug 19 23:34:56 just need to better formulate questions and then you can get quicker responses Aug 19 23:34:59 As is everyone Aug 19 23:35:05 sometimes knowing the right question is hard to do though Aug 19 23:35:13 Yeah. Aug 19 23:36:06 i bought a tablet but also won a tablet. sad i can not sell one for the price i paid Aug 19 23:36:20 I wish I could afford one Aug 19 23:36:27 even though i got $200 dollars off Aug 19 23:36:34 you check out ebay? Aug 19 23:36:45 you can snag em for nearly 300 Aug 19 23:37:00 do people really hate them that bad? Aug 19 23:37:23 or they didn't like the news that just came out Aug 19 23:37:48 plus the ebay is over flowing right now with those who bought it on sale thinking they could make money reselling on ebay Aug 19 23:37:59 oh. Aug 19 23:39:06 Oh fuck me Aug 19 23:39:07 http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-16gb-touchpad-with-wi-fi-16gb-wifi/10173116.aspx?path=24aa74e36d1cba4ce76fdd5a9f3298cfen02 Aug 19 23:39:20 Hey, I'm only 13 Aug 19 23:39:24 OH MY GOD Aug 19 23:39:28 $99? Aug 19 23:39:29 haha Aug 19 23:39:34 Besides, my parents are right behind me Aug 19 23:39:39 HAHA NICE! Aug 19 23:39:42 No F-Bombs, please Aug 19 23:39:48 I laugh because at $99 Im still hesitating Aug 19 23:39:58 * rrix cries softly Aug 19 23:40:02 FIRESALE Aug 19 23:40:02 I'll have to bring mine back to Costco and go to Best Buy instead! Aug 19 23:40:09 it slips out however infrequently webOSNewbie. Aug 19 23:40:35 hello webOSNewbie's parents! Aug 19 23:40:44 parents laugh Aug 19 23:41:57 so i guess no southpark for you? Aug 19 23:42:00 You may notice that that's only at the Canadian BestBuy Aug 19 23:42:11 krksutton: NO WAY!!! Aug 19 23:42:16 Don't have cable Aug 19 23:42:19 whoops Aug 19 23:42:31 haha. i guess my parents were a bad influence. i watched that with them all the time Aug 19 23:42:37 I had my doubts, mr Rubenstien ;P Aug 19 23:42:47 yeah, I flipped the i and e >.< Aug 19 23:43:26 I can't believe this Aug 19 23:43:36 I wonder if they are "final sales" Aug 19 23:43:52 I'd buy one in an instant at that price Aug 19 23:43:59 it's just...not in the US Aug 19 23:44:06 oh Aug 19 23:44:12 and it's also listed as sold out, mind you Aug 19 23:44:12 It's sold out anyways Aug 19 23:44:13 I have a question: how can you make a link that downloads an image? Aug 19 23:44:20 same price discout at Future Shop too.. Aug 19 23:44:31 wow Aug 19 23:44:57 you're right, sold out at Best Buy but not at Future Shop Aug 19 23:45:07 I have a question: how can you make a link that downloads an image? Aug 19 23:45:15 * rrix wonders how he can get Fry's Electronics to cut him a cheque for 300$ Aug 19 23:45:34 Threaten to go to Best Buy :) Aug 19 23:45:44 Fry's already has my money Aug 19 23:45:52 start working there Aug 19 23:45:53 and they generally don't care if you say that, my dad has repeatedly Aug 19 23:46:04 I wouldn't know Aug 19 23:46:07 kirksutton: My IQ is over 100, I'm overqualified to work there *ducks* Aug 19 23:46:15 The Fry's here is full of mouthbreathers Aug 19 23:46:21 ewwwww Aug 19 23:46:37 "huuuu huuu buy a macbook huuuuu" Aug 19 23:46:38 * webOSNewbie wants to take an IQ test, but doesn't know where to go Aug 19 23:46:45 I'm still scorched that the devices are killed Aug 19 23:46:58 I have a question: how can you make a link that downloads an image? Aug 19 23:47:02 IQ is about as useful a gauge of knowledge as length of your forearm Aug 19 23:47:22 * kirksutton is also scorched but i am eating red hots. that might be why Aug 19 23:47:24 where do you take an iq test? Aug 19 23:47:39 Google probably knows ;) Aug 19 23:47:56 webOSNewbie i woudl suggest a legit non internet based test Aug 19 23:48:05 where? Aug 19 23:48:11 I live in a small town Aug 19 23:48:56 i felel sorry for anyone that paid 500 for a touchpad. price is now 100 Aug 19 23:49:46 We were just swearing about that Aug 19 23:49:47 LOL $99 for an unsellable TP at Best Buy and below that there's a touchstone charger you can buy for the bargain price of $79. Aug 19 23:49:48 some psychologist who does them Aug 19 23:49:48 yeah, i'm totally going to pick one up just for shits and giggles Aug 19 23:50:00 the thing about a touchstone is that "it works with nothing else" :D Aug 19 23:50:24 i don't see it on bestbuy.com Aug 19 23:50:31 webos, it works like nothing Aug 19 23:50:42 link was posted a few minutes ago Aug 19 23:50:51 [18:36] http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-16gb-touchpad-with-wi-fi-16gb-wifi/10173116.aspx?path=24aa74e36d1cba4ce76fdd5a9f3298cfen02 Aug 19 23:51:20 It's only canuckbuy Aug 19 23:51:26 ah ok Aug 19 23:51:36 that canucklehead dollars? Aug 19 23:51:37 don't think of it as a cheaper touchpad, think of it as a touchpad with free accessories Aug 19 23:51:37 * rrix is waiting for Fry's to burn it Aug 19 23:51:38 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862 Aug 19 23:51:45 according to that, it'll be on the HP site Aug 19 23:51:51 that is canada Aug 19 23:51:54 can someone from the US buy from futureshop? Aug 19 23:52:31 because I feel like those will be sold out at midnight Aug 19 23:52:34 * rrix will have to go to Fry's tomorrow and see if he can't get 300$ back Aug 19 23:52:45 i doubt it Aug 19 23:52:49 i think they have a ton of them to sell Aug 19 23:52:50 I'll sink half of that in to another TP for my hackerspace and a touchstone Aug 19 23:52:55 lets get jason to buy us all touchpads from canada Aug 19 23:53:01 *sigh* Aug 19 23:53:22 at least we know at the very least, the homebrew community will thrive for a while Aug 19 23:53:27 rrix: you were asking about the touch to share stuff earlier, right ? Aug 19 23:53:32 HP should just blow out some unsellable inventory to devs with apps in the catalog at a price of zero dollars. it's not like there is going to be a market to sell apps into to recoup test device costs any time soon Aug 19 23:53:38 bpadalino: Correctomundo Aug 19 23:53:55 rrix: in the linux kernel patch for the a6 chip support (which does the tts stuff) talks about an MSP430 in there .. Aug 19 23:54:28 REALLY Aug 19 23:54:31 Now that is interesting :) Aug 19 23:54:42 so i believe an MSP430 should be able to run all the tts stuff - and you may be able to write something to query the firmware from the a6 chip ..or look at the hex that's written to it during an update Aug 19 23:54:43 that is probably just a few thousand devs, hardly a dent in the 250K TP's Best Buy has sitting around Aug 19 23:54:50 * rrix knows a lot of msp430 hackers >:) Aug 19 23:54:56 there are kernel hooks for the MSP430 JTAG Aug 19 23:55:11 and HP should *definitely* donate a case of TP's to the ass kickers at internalz Aug 19 23:55:13 check out the kernel patches for the veer and touchpad Aug 19 23:55:16 info should be there Aug 19 23:56:36 bpadalino: I definitely will Aug 19 23:56:39 Thanks for the lead Aug 19 23:56:51 good luck Aug 19 23:57:13 Lol Aug 19 23:57:27 Some of my friends are at LinuxCon in Van, one of them just ran off to bestbuy to see if they're in the stores still Aug 19 23:59:10 $99 16 GiB, $149 32GiB, does that mean $200 64GiB ? Aug 20 00:00:02 is it available in Canada? Aug 20 00:00:13 I mean, the 64GB one Aug 20 00:00:24 I don't think so Aug 20 00:01:27 i bet best buy hp relations went sour now Aug 20 00:01:56 Well, HP is getting out of the whole best buy business anyways, so I doubt they care Aug 20 00:02:07 yup Aug 20 00:02:21 i can't believe no computers, seems so weird Aug 20 00:02:39 not like i care for hp computers Aug 20 00:02:47 HP Touchpad 16gb $99, 32gb $149 starting August 20 Aug 20 00:02:48 huh. Aug 20 00:03:00 bbl Aug 20 00:03:16 kirksutton: I think they'll end up backtracking on it, personally Aug 20 00:03:28 wonder if that stacks with the early adopter price......... Aug 20 00:03:30 i also think that Aug 20 00:03:37 stocks went down because of the pc announcement Aug 20 00:03:40 there's no backing out of losing $12 billion and investor confidence Aug 20 00:03:43 They'll claim no one was interested in taking over their consumer business and they'll try to recover it Aug 20 00:03:55 heh, they could've done this without killing it off for cheaper Aug 20 00:04:17 if they flip-flop, they'll lose a lot more money because investors will say WTF, so in 4 months they'll dump it again, right? eff that... Aug 20 00:04:26 i want samsung to buy palm Aug 20 00:04:41 crimsonredmk: Investors already said WTF today Aug 20 00:04:53 20% stockbomb != good for Leo Aug 20 00:05:00 but if HP goes back on its word they'll say WTF even moreso Aug 20 00:05:07 kirksutton: It's a pipedream at best. A nice pipedream, but a pipedream Aug 20 00:05:20 rrix: indeed Aug 20 00:05:29 i just might try and get a touchpad tomorrow for 100 bucks even though it wouldn't be getting anymore apps Aug 20 00:05:38 I guess no doc editing Aug 20 00:06:04 I might get one just for a cheap media server with a pretty screen for web browsing or something Aug 20 00:06:09 how good is an IQ of 130? Aug 20 00:06:14 135 Aug 20 00:06:17 webOSNewbie: 100 is average Aug 20 00:06:29 160 is genius i think Aug 20 00:06:44 will you send your loaners back? i think the shipping is now more expensive, than the device at bestbuy & co Aug 20 00:07:15 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/08/it-didnt-have-to-go-this-way-what-hp-should-have-done-with-webos.ars This just makes me lol Aug 20 00:07:37 Peter is a master troll Aug 20 00:07:54 I used to play a lot of C&C Generals with him Aug 20 00:08:28 lol Aug 20 00:08:54 I'm confused; one site says I have 151, and another says I have 135 (IQ) Aug 20 00:09:03 150 is genius Aug 20 00:09:11 they're all wrong Aug 20 00:09:19 don't believe everything you read on the internet Aug 20 00:09:23 online is all pointless Aug 20 00:09:50 oh Aug 20 00:10:04 350$ off at Costco Canada, great, I'll just bring my receipt then ;) Aug 20 00:10:14 I took an IQ test once. My parents didn't want me to know teh result. I think I would have been disappointed. Aug 20 00:10:15 haha Aug 20 00:10:50 so $100 touchpad eh Aug 20 00:10:59 $150 Aug 20 00:11:03 idk.. Aug 20 00:11:21 if its truly $100 i may just get one and postpone this date ;p Aug 20 00:11:25 I wonder how much I'm going to have to fight and bicker with Fry's tomorrow Aug 20 00:11:30 looks like bestbuy I am sure if the current CEO was there before the Palm purchase it would have never happened Aug 20 00:11:30 at that price, I can still develop my app for it, just for myself Aug 20 00:11:36 I'm probably gonna have to draw blood knowing those greedy fuckers Aug 20 00:11:41 I won something in the launchline game Aug 20 00:12:01 i didnt win shit cause the damn thing was always broke saying come back tomorrow Aug 20 00:12:07 * Tibfib considers buying one and leaving it factory sealed Aug 20 00:12:08 hahaha Aug 20 00:12:12 gonna be valuable one day Aug 20 00:12:13 i was in the top 20 at a few points Aug 20 00:12:15 hahaha Aug 20 00:12:16 it was so buggy Aug 20 00:12:27 another hp failue Aug 20 00:12:32 just like the old Palm Pilot Aug 20 00:12:34 now that i think of it.. my hp lcd sucks Aug 20 00:12:39 takes forever to wake up Aug 20 00:12:41 http://wtogami.blogspot.com/2011/08/hp-should-donate-webos-to-open-source.html#more Founder of the Fedora project Aug 20 00:12:44 oh god Aug 20 00:12:53 NO!!!!! Aug 20 00:13:06 I don't want open-source webOS Aug 20 00:13:08 yeah i wish it would get opened up in that manner Aug 20 00:13:21 webOSNewbie: you don't know what you are talking about Aug 20 00:13:23 webOSNewbie: ... why? Aug 20 00:13:33 forming opinions when you have absolutely no idea what is going in is always a bad idea Aug 20 00:13:35 That would ruin all market Aug 20 00:13:40 yeah you need to look into it more i think Aug 20 00:13:43 point proven Aug 20 00:13:43 Think about Android Aug 20 00:13:57 Android is highly successful Aug 20 00:14:02 People in China can make wimpy tablets, and call it Android Aug 20 00:14:07 and fragmented in 50 billion ways Aug 20 00:14:08 And android thrives Aug 20 00:14:11 how does that hurt you as a dev? Aug 20 00:14:18 Closed-source webOS can be licensed Aug 20 00:14:23 making more money Aug 20 00:14:28 and maintaining quality Aug 20 00:14:35 and if they make a wimpy tablet they STILL license android os from google and google profits Aug 20 00:14:36 uhhh, lots? because you have to support 50 billion versions or deal with app/lib compatibility? Aug 20 00:14:39 hp apparently doesnt care about money at this point Aug 20 00:14:57 webOSNewbie: HP doesn't WANT that money. Aug 20 00:15:14 I meant quality Aug 20 00:15:15 you DO NOT need to be closed source to license and/or impose hardware standards Aug 20 00:15:41 if google wanted they could give minimum specs that people ahd to follow Aug 20 00:15:41 webOSNewbie: open source has consistently managed to produce quality software. I don't think you know what you're talking about, personally :) Aug 20 00:16:09 kirksutton: they already do that using the trademarks Aug 20 00:16:36 sigh. Aug 20 00:16:55 dwc- correct you are hah Aug 20 00:16:58 our belove dwebOS Aug 20 00:17:03 * Tibfib cries Aug 20 00:18:10 haha Aug 20 00:18:14 hp tp ad just came on Aug 20 00:18:17 so sad :( Aug 20 00:19:33 so $120 for 32gb.. Aug 20 00:19:39 150 I thought Aug 20 00:19:49 theres a coupon for $30 off Aug 20 00:19:52 $150+ Aug 20 00:19:56 SAVE30HP Aug 20 00:20:07 apparently Aug 20 00:20:11 from the slickdeals thread Aug 20 00:21:06 I'm actually tempted to order about 3 or 4 with the price that low. Aug 20 00:21:17 The device is worth $150 to me, no question there. Aug 20 00:21:22 "Touchpad sales SKYROCKET overnight" on precentral tomorrow Aug 20 00:21:25 dawm|laptop: where is it live? Aug 20 00:21:36 its not on HPs site Aug 20 00:21:43 its already $99 at futureshop (canada) Aug 20 00:21:45 dawm: that won't work if it's 149.99! Aug 20 00:21:52 My mother has been nagging for a tablet, at $99 for the 16GB she can have it. Aug 20 00:22:18 what the hell Aug 20 00:22:29 * Tibfib cries Aug 20 00:22:30 http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-16gb-touchpad-with-wi-fi-16gb-wifi/10173116.aspx?path=01191e3f32fb2966d8a052fd3272bd05en02 Aug 20 00:22:32 that's a rather nice price for an IPS screen. Aug 20 00:22:50 I would have a hard time finding the raw screen cheaper. Aug 20 00:22:53 haha Aug 20 00:22:54 SOLD OUT Aug 20 00:22:59 just noticed that Aug 20 00:23:05 damn those slickdealers! Aug 20 00:23:19 I didn't even get to see if they ship to US :p Aug 20 00:23:19 damn Aug 20 00:23:56 nope Aug 20 00:23:58 CA only Aug 20 00:24:10 and it had free shipping Aug 20 00:24:14 apparently it might be instore Aug 20 00:24:20 silly canadians Aug 20 00:24:24 but i dont have a passport to even cross the border Aug 20 00:24:32 halfhalo: how's it going in palm land? Aug 20 00:24:41 I'm going to be watching Amazon like a hawk today. Aug 20 00:24:52 As soon as that price goes down, I'm turning my one TP in to 4. Aug 20 00:24:55 oh hey, I can make a non crappy google voice client easily now: https://github.com/connorlacombe/Voogle-for-HP-webOS Aug 20 00:24:56 Tibfib: interestingly. Aug 20 00:25:13 halfhalo: are there lots of people quitting? Aug 20 00:25:36 not going to say anything about anything like that Aug 20 00:25:46 okay fair enough Aug 20 00:27:30 http://twitter.com/#!/mattsmcnulty/status/104710355397246977 Aug 20 00:28:51 LOL Aug 20 00:28:56 amazon is $398.. Aug 20 00:28:59 save 1.99 Aug 20 00:29:03 really? Aug 20 00:29:49 Sooo dang Aug 20 00:29:54 I got a blackbelt discount on my TouchPad Aug 20 00:29:57 this is less than that Aug 20 00:30:05 REAALLLLY. THANKS Aug 20 00:30:18 Tibfib: it's amusing it says he posted that from Twitter for iPad Aug 20 00:30:38 bpadalino: appropriate Aug 20 00:30:52 bestbuy canada is sold out Aug 20 00:30:58 also was $99/149 Aug 20 00:31:07 guess this is one way to clear inventory Aug 20 00:31:12 holy balls Aug 20 00:31:15 tomorrow i am sure walmart, bb, etc will price them appropriately Aug 20 00:32:03 I'm not sure they'll sell them online Aug 20 00:32:11 touchpad is here!!!!!! Aug 20 00:32:35 PatrickC: well done Aug 20 00:32:41 heh Aug 20 00:32:44 i just noticed Aug 20 00:32:47 the walmart page for the touchpad Aug 20 00:32:50 talks about pre3 Aug 20 00:32:54 lol Aug 20 00:32:58 PatrickC: How much did you pay for it? :P Aug 20 00:33:05 rrix: free :) Aug 20 00:33:07 loaner ;) Aug 20 00:33:21 I'm buying one tomorrow from bb Aug 20 00:33:29 heh Aug 20 00:33:45 i may dip out from work tomorrow and snag one Aug 20 00:34:03 no bosses so im the boss Aug 20 00:34:08 company vehicle .. teehee Aug 20 00:34:16 $150?! how could you pass it up? Aug 20 00:34:19 dawm|laptop: lol Aug 20 00:34:30 wow.. the chroot is massive Aug 20 00:36:06 ok Aug 20 00:36:18 SAVE15HP coupon code for th 16gb on HPs site Aug 20 00:36:22 less than 99 then Aug 20 00:36:23 yeah how could you pass it up Aug 20 00:36:34 except for it's cheaper than the best discount offered to longtime devs Aug 20 00:36:36 :9 Aug 20 00:36:38 :( Aug 20 00:36:50 yeah :/ Aug 20 00:37:05 what happened to save30 Aug 20 00:37:56 thats for the 149 Aug 20 00:37:59 Hey Guys… https://twitter.com/brandonwatson/status/104681012000337920 Aug 20 00:38:06 He's serious by the way Aug 20 00:38:22 he is. he's head of their dev rel equivalent Aug 20 00:38:30 free phones! Aug 20 00:38:31 I got one and threw an app together and got to keep it Aug 20 00:38:37 and it's a $600 phone Aug 20 00:38:45 Developer phone with unreleased software Aug 20 00:38:47 you get a Focus? Aug 20 00:38:53 phonegap it and no extra work? Aug 20 00:39:06 Pretty much :P Aug 20 00:39:09 with Mango? Aug 20 00:39:11 you are not being very specific Aug 20 00:39:39 Have the accessories had a price slash too? Aug 20 00:39:45 What I did was throw a design together with their Silverlight design tools, and followed some online tutorials Aug 20 00:40:08 So you guys think that $99 price is going to be coming to the US soon? Aug 20 00:40:23 oh they toss out phones like candy Aug 20 00:40:40 know the DFW rep, I've personally watched him throw about 15 dell wp7 phones at random people Aug 20 00:40:40 $99 touchpad* Aug 20 00:40:43 well semi-random Aug 20 00:41:16 just hit him up since he was working on a joindin app for wp7 same time I was, if he never finished will probably take them up on their offer, if not have nothing up my sleeve Aug 20 00:41:52 funkatron: Want a free hug? Aug 20 00:41:59 * rrix hugs funkatron whether he wants it or not Aug 20 00:42:10 STRANGER DANGER! Aug 20 00:42:24 hahaha Aug 20 00:42:26 bad touch Aug 20 00:43:00 rwhitby: you here? Aug 20 00:43:05 You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals? Aug 20 00:43:09 heh Aug 20 00:45:26 funkatron: yep, for 5 mins, then again in 30 mins Aug 20 00:45:30 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/ Aug 20 00:45:36 breaking news Aug 20 00:46:03 not breaking news Aug 20 00:46:19 you know Aug 20 00:46:22 well it has less puppies Aug 20 00:46:40 rwhitby: I just want to get Spaz up in preware shortly. Aug 20 00:48:12 funkatron: we can do that today. tag with v1.0.0 style version Aug 20 00:48:16 its funny how many times i've heard "webos is awesome just the hardware is meh" Aug 20 00:48:18 the 'v' is impostant Aug 20 00:48:22 important even Aug 20 00:48:23 now they're changing to listen to those folks Aug 20 00:48:37 funkatron: look at the Makefiles in build.git, and prepare one for Spaz Aug 20 00:48:46 funkatron: email me your ssh public key Aug 20 00:49:00 funkatron: we can set it up in 45 mins from now Aug 20 00:49:02 oil: That's all I hear, too, but who's going to make hardware that isn't meh? Aug 20 00:49:12 samsung/htc? Aug 20 00:49:20 looking at google+motorola saying hmmm? Aug 20 00:49:20 Do they want to? Aug 20 00:49:31 * rwhitby bbiab 45 mins Aug 20 00:49:41 oil: I've considered that possibility, and don't see it happening after HP panick killed it Aug 20 00:49:47 yeah crazy changes to happen at the same time Aug 20 00:49:47 HP is unreliable and untrustable Aug 20 00:49:57 rwhitby: sounds good. Aug 20 00:49:58 kirksutton: Panick does that. Aug 20 00:50:24 hey, at least hte touchpad lasted longer on the shelves then the kin? Aug 20 00:50:39 Yeah, but no one developed for the kin :) Aug 20 00:50:40 lol Aug 20 00:50:50 yeah, and always giving webos this faint gleam of hope that someone we have believed in the past Aug 20 00:50:57 somehow* Aug 20 00:51:04 one thing being with webos for so long, im used to waiting for things Aug 20 00:51:09 oil: how close is wIRC HD to a testing release? Aug 20 00:51:12 so ill just wait for whats next Aug 20 00:51:23 oil: It lasted 4 days in AU. 4 days. Aug 20 00:51:28 How long did Kin last? Aug 20 00:51:37 yeah the non-us folks got shit on worse than us Aug 20 00:51:39 48 days IIRC Aug 20 00:52:01 hey, non-us folks got pre3 at least Aug 20 00:52:09 what everyone was waiting for and not buying the veer Aug 20 00:52:26 :( Aug 20 00:52:34 yeah I feel so fucking weird Aug 20 00:52:34 PatrickC: idk Aug 20 00:52:37 waited so long for the pre3 Aug 20 00:52:49 find myself pricing iphones and waiting for the upgrade announcements Aug 20 00:52:57 uber depressed about that Aug 20 00:53:02 I won't stoop to that. Aug 20 00:53:20 I guess I'm just going to end up using an Android device. Aug 20 00:53:21 veer lol Aug 20 00:53:27 i coudl never buy an apple product Aug 20 00:53:29 palm hp is so out of touch Aug 20 00:53:34 * Hendikins is a Veer owner, it does what he bought it for. Aug 20 00:53:49 before buying iphone check out miui rom for android Aug 20 00:54:21 Tibfib_: nomnomnom is beautiful! Aug 20 00:54:40 PatrickC: you can pull the repo and palm-package/install whats there Aug 20 00:54:53 I just have not been impressed by android but *shrug* still in the market for anything Aug 20 00:55:00 im stuck with droid, not gonna give up my sprint plan Aug 20 00:55:06 oil: I'll probably do that Aug 20 00:55:09 droid is so not intuitive.. Aug 20 00:55:30 as a new android owner i disagree Aug 20 00:55:30 youd be surprised what you can tap&hold on to find the damn option you were looking for Aug 20 00:55:35 but dont tell me when stuff doesnt work Aug 20 00:55:43 because most doesnt Aug 20 00:56:10 Can we blame you for it? Aug 20 00:56:11 dcousineau: As I pointed out to the guy from Hardly Normal yesterday when discussing options yesterday, if I'd wanted an Android tablet I would have bought one. Aug 20 00:56:20 Uhg, you guys even thinking about iPhones? Aug 20 00:56:25 no Aug 20 00:56:29 I would buy a Crackberry before getting an iPhone Aug 20 00:56:31 awh :( Aug 20 00:56:42 I came from crackberry to palm pre Aug 20 00:56:43 do you think quick office with doc editing with still happen? Aug 20 00:56:45 not really going back Aug 20 00:56:52 Deihmos: hahahahahahahahahahahaha Aug 20 00:56:53 if so I might pick one up tomorrow for 100 Aug 20 00:57:27 dcousineau: I'm underwhelmed by Android. I've got a mate at Google Pyrmont with a work issued Android tablet, it really didn't do anything for me. The only selling point it really has to me is "At least it isn't Apple" Aug 20 00:57:52 tablets in general are underwhelming Aug 20 00:58:02 pretty much haha Aug 20 00:58:04 Hendikins: I'm just ready to throw in the towel on apple device dogma but like I said still investigating other options Aug 20 00:58:40 haha Aug 20 00:58:51 that shanna gal.. sure picked the wrong time to scout for developers Aug 20 00:59:14 Android >= webOS > Meego/Maemo > QNX > Crackberry > iOS Aug 20 00:59:24 i got an email from her today saying the company that hired her company has decided to no longer pursue webos Aug 20 00:59:25 Only reason Android is >= is because it has more apps :| Aug 20 00:59:35 I'd buy Apple before Android Aug 20 00:59:42 javispedro: Why? Aug 20 00:59:43 i wonder if Aug 20 00:59:52 ping PuffTheMagic Aug 20 00:59:58 a windows dev phone would quailify for a new xbox Aug 20 01:00:03 i could use a new one ;p Aug 20 01:00:05 trsohmers: Android reminds of the past for some reason, and I always thought their architecture is crap. Aug 20 01:00:15 javispedro: know the feeling Aug 20 01:00:19 I can do so much more with an android phone. so many things i cannot do on a webos phone Aug 20 01:00:22 Don't understand... Aug 20 01:00:25 but OK... Aug 20 01:00:30 however I have yet to hear of anyone dealing with an android device that doesn't suffer battery issues Aug 20 01:00:35 meh Aug 20 01:00:37 i have been on an android phone for a couple months now. it has a learning curve but if you are ready to switch roms and home launchers and whatever, you can make it work decently well for you Aug 20 01:00:39 look at us Aug 20 01:00:42 we're being anti-fanbois Aug 20 01:00:46 :| Aug 20 01:01:05 also, more geeky reason: apple's bsd libc might even be more compatible with gnu's than android's crap. Aug 20 01:01:12 *shrug* fuck if I care. The girl I wanted to take to the prom (webos) just died in a car wreck. Aug 20 01:01:32 dcousineau, my phone battery can last all day Aug 20 01:01:46 Palm Pre battery would last 2 hours if i use it a lot Aug 20 01:02:05 only time my pre2 would get destroyed is when I was in an area of low coverage Aug 20 01:02:08 but I had a frankenpre2 Aug 20 01:02:09 my lg optimus s lasts 15 hours in bad signal area with normal use Aug 20 01:03:10 to fix bugs, or just wait and see... Aug 20 01:04:12 i just got an email Aug 20 01:04:15 next chapter for webos Aug 20 01:04:18 yeah the blog post Aug 20 01:04:29 strange Aug 20 01:04:31 it's a blog post too Aug 20 01:04:37 can i paste it here? Aug 20 01:04:38 bestbuy US says SOLDOUT online, not available instore Aug 20 01:04:47 3, 2, 1, IRC hijack Aug 20 01:04:49 Dear webOS developer: Aug 20 01:04:49 We have opened the next chapter for webOS, and we understand that you must have many questions. Yesterday we announced that we will focus on the future of webOS as a software platform but we will no longer be producing webOS devices. While this was a difficult decision, it's one that will strengthen our ability to focus on further innovating with webOS as we forge our path forward. Throughout Aug 20 01:04:49 this journey, our developers will continue to be a vital part of the future of webOS. Aug 20 01:04:49 We will continue to support, innovate and develop the webOS App Catalog. Our intent is to enhance our merchandising and presentation of your great products and to continue to build our webOS app ecosystem. Aug 20 01:04:49 As many of you are aware, we are currently scheduled to hold many developer events around the world. We are planning to continue with these events, however, due to the recent announcements; the nature of them will change. These updates will be posted on our events registration site this coming week. We are eager to present to you the updated strategy for webOS and to hear your feedback. Aug 20 01:04:49 Lastly, I wish to express our sincere appreciation for your ongoing support for webOS and the many teams responsible for it here at HP. This is a particularly dynamic time in the mobile industry and sometimes tough decisions need to be made about not only what to do, but also what not to do. This has been one of those times. Together with our great webOS developer community, we are confident Aug 20 01:04:49 that we will meet the challenges ahead and build momentum for optimal success. Aug 20 01:04:51 We will be communicating with you frequently over the next few weeks and we look forward to hearing from you throughout this process. Aug 20 01:05:04 fxspec06: um Aug 20 01:05:15 :| Aug 20 01:05:17 we already saw that, and posting a link is more better Aug 20 01:05:32 sorry, i didn't know it was posted.. i just got the email. Aug 20 01:05:43 and i'm still disappointed and depressed Aug 20 01:05:49 seriously.. wtf Aug 20 01:05:49 it doesn't make it better Aug 20 01:05:56 the touchpad was not sold out online a minute ago Aug 20 01:06:06 and the price never dropped Aug 20 01:06:14 @ bb Aug 20 01:06:36 they probably manually flagged it Aug 20 01:06:41 until they figured out what was gonna happen Aug 20 01:06:55 ok Aug 20 01:06:56 apparently Aug 20 01:07:03 7am EST for the HP.com firesale Aug 20 01:07:21 What about Best Buy Aug 20 01:07:29 havent seen anything yet Aug 20 01:07:33 Hmmm Aug 20 01:07:36 but its already sold out in canada it seems Aug 20 01:07:40 I'd rather go into a store Aug 20 01:07:43 figure, now I can get another touchpad and doctor it. works for me. Aug 20 01:07:44 and pulled? from bb usa Aug 20 01:08:02 What? Aug 20 01:08:09 It's not on BB USA site? Aug 20 01:08:12 it is Aug 20 01:08:18 but its sold out all of a sudden Aug 20 01:08:22 I'm still waiting for Amazon. At least they'll directly ship to AU. Aug 20 01:08:23 Interesting Aug 20 01:08:24 still at full price tho Aug 20 01:08:31 There where at least 30 of them in box at my local store Aug 20 01:08:39 They said they haven't sold one since the release day Aug 20 01:08:44 nice Aug 20 01:08:50 i didnt even see a display at my walmart Aug 20 01:08:59 and its in the rich part of town Aug 20 01:09:15 Although I'm considering having a chat to the franchisee at the store I got mine from. If he'll give them to me for the $150 price, he can keep my money and I'll just take 3 more. Aug 20 01:09:46 hah Aug 20 01:10:08 I'll try that tomorrow with Costco Aug 20 01:10:12 It could work. Aug 20 01:10:24 He really does want to keep my money. Aug 20 01:10:25 hope it works for hou Aug 20 01:10:28 I'll see how much they care about me keeping the device or returning it and go buy one elsewhere ;) Aug 20 01:10:56 hm Aug 20 01:11:02 Spanska: In my case I have to return the unit (although not the packaging) to get the money back. Aug 20 01:11:02 OK, so I just convinced a couple of my android hacker friends to buy some tomorrow Aug 20 01:11:05 it's curious how HP did this.. I would have thought they could have done this anyways but.. a bit more smooth Aug 20 01:11:17 is the Pre3 product code HP-FB437AA-ABU ? Aug 20 01:11:34 http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-TouchPad-9.7-Touchscreen-Tablet-PC/16874037 Aug 20 01:11:35 I don't see anything especially wrong with working on the software only but they should at least make it more smooth for end of device support.. just my $0.02 Aug 20 01:12:40 probably get a 32GB touchpad, touchstone and keyboard for $200 tomorrow Aug 20 01:13:13 I'm still thinking about the touchstone, I haven't seen any price drops yet Aug 20 01:13:32 the 16gb will be a great media player Aug 20 01:13:50 javispedro: FB437AA#ABU Aug 20 01:13:57 you can put plenty more on 32GB thought for only $50 more Aug 20 01:14:14 true but I would stream to it Aug 20 01:14:22 good plan Aug 20 01:14:40 I tried that with TVersity Flash player and it works great Aug 20 01:14:44 already have the 32 so why not match the set. :) Aug 20 01:14:46 will the european pre3 also be sold for $100? Aug 20 01:14:51 that would be awesome Aug 20 01:14:56 yeah Aug 20 01:15:03 http://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secH8OwcmxZFrI/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products&ViewAction=Filter&CategoryID=73691610 Aug 20 01:15:19 Can't see any reductions in uk stores though. Aug 20 01:15:34 leiru: that's the one I was looking at. Aug 20 01:15:42 leiru: the price is also interesting tbh. Aug 20 01:16:01 but the site looks completely in despair. Aug 20 01:17:16 ah, it's 8GiB. Aug 20 01:17:42 Anyone see price reducuctions in the US? Aug 20 01:17:56 then i would use my dev-coupons on both :D Aug 20 01:18:37 Walmart is trying to bundle TPs with discounted acessories Aug 20 01:18:47 that makes sense Aug 20 01:18:52 Bajan: your going to the bundle page Aug 20 01:18:52 the profit margin on accessories is much higher Aug 20 01:18:53 http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-TouchPad-9.7-Touchscreen-Tablet-PC/16874037 Aug 20 01:18:58 thats the bundle page Aug 20 01:19:07 How easy is it to hack on a full linux on HP's stuff? Aug 20 01:19:15 http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-FB355UA-ABA/16662273 Aug 20 01:19:24 normal page Aug 20 01:19:31 walmart loves to bundle crap Aug 20 01:19:49 so who's buying one at the new price point? Aug 20 01:19:59 I might. Aug 20 01:20:09 I will get the 16gb Aug 20 01:20:10 if it's not too hard to hack on Aug 20 01:20:12 if it drops to 250, i might buy one for my mom Aug 20 01:20:15 for $100, you'd be stupid not to Aug 20 01:20:31 it's a fabulous device Aug 20 01:20:49 seriously Aug 20 01:20:50 and what did everyone think of the Palm Dev Blog post? Aug 20 01:20:58 somewhat more promising Aug 20 01:21:01 if i dont answer the phone the first time.. do not call me 3 more times Aug 20 01:21:04 so can you stick debian on it? Aug 20 01:21:07 especially if you are not family Aug 20 01:21:08 IGNTNUNLMTD: "Turns out devrel is really good at saying nothing"? :) Aug 20 01:21:14 lol Aug 20 01:21:16 I hope it was not just speak Aug 20 01:21:18 not like Leo Aug 20 01:21:26 he said nothing for 45 minutes straight Aug 20 01:21:39 CHUQUI Aug 20 01:21:44 TGIF, AMIRITE? Aug 20 01:21:51 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+TouchPad+Tablet+with+16GB+Memory+-+Black/2842056.p?skuId=2842056&id=1218358284065 lame Aug 20 01:21:54 hey. Aug 20 01:21:57 Leo said enough Aug 20 01:22:00 they haven't reduced the price yet Aug 20 01:22:03 anything going on? nice, boring day for me. Aug 20 01:22:14 jrabbit: it wasnt sold out aout 20mins ago Aug 20 01:22:20 they're doing something wonky Aug 20 01:22:25 probably Aug 20 01:22:33 are they recduced in store? Aug 20 01:22:46 doubt that Aug 20 01:22:49 this just hit Aug 20 01:23:05 chuqui: yeah I hear theres absolutely nothing going on out there in palo alto :P Aug 20 01:23:10 tomorrow at 7am EST th price redux is supposed to go live on h.com Aug 20 01:23:15 hp Aug 20 01:23:46 supposidly Aug 20 01:24:21 oh bestbuy canada won't ship them Aug 20 01:24:27 not even inside canada Aug 20 01:24:29 theyre sold out Aug 20 01:24:35 online Aug 20 01:24:52 there is some other canadian store that has them i believe Aug 20 01:24:56 dawm|laptop: doesn't say that on the canadian one :) Aug 20 01:24:59 futureshop Aug 20 01:25:04 yeah future shop Aug 20 01:25:04 also sold out Aug 20 01:25:06 oh nvm Aug 20 01:25:07 oh Aug 20 01:25:14 * rrix wonders if his friends at linuxcon were serious about picking some up Aug 20 01:25:16 have the US stores reduced price yet? Aug 20 01:25:20 no Aug 20 01:25:21 havent heard from them yet :( Aug 20 01:25:21 nope Aug 20 01:25:27 goddamn it Aug 20 01:25:31 it's going to be kind of ironic if it turns into a total sellout at $300 and retailers desperately want to reorder Aug 20 01:25:32 you can buy at best buy and do a price match Aug 20 01:25:32 did you not see that the US site has em at full price and marked as sold out Aug 20 01:25:51 dawm|laptop: well I meant other retailers Aug 20 01:26:03 no us retailers have dropped it Aug 20 01:26:25 I am so confused by these build files Aug 20 01:27:00 newegg doesnt even list em with the $100 price drop from last week Aug 20 01:27:03 wtf Aug 20 01:27:15 so, I assume you all saw the blog posting. Aug 20 01:27:18 why does em keel getting capitalized Aug 20 01:27:20 anyone here from palm Aug 20 01:27:23 no Aug 20 01:27:27 chuqui: yep Aug 20 01:27:30 it not, it's here: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/ Aug 20 01:27:31 chuqui: ping Aug 20 01:27:35 PatrickC: ping Aug 20 01:27:49 for those in canada, these seem to still be in stock: http://www.thesource.ca/estore/default.aspx?language=en-CA&swlang=true Aug 20 01:27:50 chuqui: will dev discounts be applied to the $149? :) Aug 20 01:27:54 chuqui - can devs get an even further break on touch pads Aug 20 01:27:55 j/w Aug 20 01:27:58 i don't understand how developers stuck around after all those road bumps Aug 20 01:28:14 Deihmos because of webosinternals Aug 20 01:28:19 PatrickC: honestly? many details are still to be worked outl we're sorting through everything now Aug 20 01:28:25 and the homebrew communties Aug 20 01:28:31 chuqui: ok Aug 20 01:28:50 how many people were still using webos i wonder Aug 20 01:28:53 dunivan: that's stuff being sorted out. we're just starting to figure out how these changes impact us on some of this stuff. Aug 20 01:28:53 can't be that much Aug 20 01:28:54 * oil is Aug 20 01:29:07 wow Aug 20 01:29:13 chuqui off record how pissed is the old palm team Aug 20 01:29:19 I will, enjoy webOS very mjch Aug 20 01:29:20 lol Aug 20 01:29:22 * kevets just saw engadget tp for 99 story Aug 20 01:29:25 * rrix doesn't plan on unloading his webos stuff any time soon Aug 20 01:29:44 * dunivan doesnt plan on buying a touch pad for over 50 bucks Aug 20 01:29:45 is the kindle app for touchpad good? Aug 20 01:29:52 kevets: ohnoes, so it'll now be all but sold out tonight. Aug 20 01:29:53 there is literally a record here. Aug 20 01:29:54 Crap Aug 20 01:29:54 am I crazy for thinking thats not a bad deal? Aug 20 01:29:55 Good nenough Aug 20 01:29:57 now that Engadget put it up Aug 20 01:29:59 cheaper than buying a kindle Aug 20 01:30:07 its freenodes record Aug 20 01:30:14 this is not an official discussion Aug 20 01:30:25 dunivan - those of us who worked 80 hours per week for 8mo appreciate your sense of value. Aug 20 01:30:27 maybe it's just a marketing plow.. Aug 20 01:30:30 it is cheaper than a kindle, lol Aug 20 01:30:39 they couldn't get webOS into people hands.. now everything is sold out Aug 20 01:30:45 mattsmcnulty: i was curious how you felt about the whole thing .. then i saw your tweet Aug 20 01:30:46 mattsmcnulty sorry, but thats where it stands Aug 20 01:30:49 mattsmcnulty: how are you doing ? Aug 20 01:30:59 its obsolete and to be unsupported within 48 days of its launch Aug 20 01:31:00 that will work for sure, webOS will gain in popularity ;) Aug 20 01:31:09 hp just screwed over shareholders blowing all that money Aug 20 01:31:13 mattsmcnulty: And I think everyone here appreciates the work that you guys have done. It's just sad to watch upper management burn it. Aug 20 01:31:19 i wonder how many devices they made Aug 20 01:31:20 mattsmcnulty: great decision to pop in today and not yesterday :) Aug 20 01:31:21 kevets: their stock crashed today Aug 20 01:31:23 doubt they made much Aug 20 01:31:27 damn Aug 20 01:31:29 plus one of its biggest selling features will probably not come out Aug 20 01:31:34 anyone here got some time to help me with my Enyo code? Aug 20 01:31:42 Just saw the email blast from Richard Kerris to WebOS developers. Lots of words to basically say absolutely nothing. Aug 20 01:31:51 but i do appreciate all that palm/hp has done, i've owned a palm device since palm III Aug 20 01:32:03 i still own my handspring visor Aug 20 01:32:12 I should have a Palm V lying around here somewhere Aug 20 01:32:17 I still own my Tungsten E2, wonderful device Aug 20 01:32:27 i still have my pre, my IIIx and my Vx, but my treo was beyond repair Aug 20 01:32:28 I would get a windows 8 tablet especially if it runs office Aug 20 01:32:28 I hope it won't break anytime soon Aug 20 01:32:30 the tungsten rawked in its day. Aug 20 01:32:36 My wife worked at Handspring for several years then went to Palm in the buyout. I'm way bummed what HP has done with it all. Aug 20 01:32:42 and att apparently has all but dropped the pre3... damn Aug 20 01:32:44 I should dig out my TX. haven't touched it since I got my pre2 Aug 20 01:32:52 that is gonna be one rare device Aug 20 01:32:59 the pre 2? Aug 20 01:33:05 Kinda sad that all the engadget comments are "can this thing run android" Aug 20 01:33:07 3 Aug 20 01:33:10 Really sad, actually Aug 20 01:33:24 its half the selling point of the touch pad Aug 20 01:33:24 So...I want to make sure I am able to buy one at the $99 price Aug 20 01:33:39 rrix++ Aug 20 01:33:39 anyone have any idea when the price will go into effect for us US folk? Aug 20 01:33:42 imagine arming a marketing consultant with a pre 3 and a touch pad Aug 20 01:33:53 LarrySteeze|Away: the HP memo says its supposed to happen saturday Aug 20 01:33:55 tomorrow Aug 20 01:33:56 LarrySteeze|Away: grapevine says 7am est Aug 20 01:34:01 larrysteeze buy it at BB, but it on a CC and get a price match Aug 20 01:34:10 *buy Aug 20 01:34:13 $99 for which device? Aug 20 01:34:13 you have 30 days Aug 20 01:34:18 i will be buying one tomorrow at best buy Aug 20 01:34:20 touchpad 16gb Aug 20 01:34:20 you mean bb online? Aug 20 01:34:26 that'd work too Aug 20 01:34:35 but i dont know how their price match works Aug 20 01:34:36 It's a good idea Aug 20 01:34:44 Speak of the devil, /me points to #webos-internals Aug 20 01:34:48 I can't go into the store though Aug 20 01:34:48 because tommorow they will be sold out Aug 20 01:34:51 Why do people want Honeycomb on it? Honeycomb is inferior. Aug 20 01:35:02 droids not bad when you get used to it Aug 20 01:35:06 it's slow Aug 20 01:35:11 i miss cards, im on a nexus s 4g now Aug 20 01:35:12 and ugly Aug 20 01:35:17 i didnt have to get used to webos Aug 20 01:35:19 and unintuitive Aug 20 01:35:21 I do have to admit, I'm on an evo 3d Aug 20 01:35:23 dunivan: I don't know that we've had time for pissed. most folks are probably in shock or just exhausted. Aug 20 01:35:35 right Aug 20 01:35:35 Honeycomb is crap, personally Aug 20 01:36:05 i like my android phone. Evo 3d Aug 20 01:36:10 http://youtu.be/YzG94ct2d5k Aug 20 01:36:10 Richard and I both told everyone in DevRel to go home, be with their "be with" people, unplug and not think about anything until Monday, to the best extent possible. and monday, we start moving this all forward again. Aug 20 01:36:19 I preferred my pre- Aug 20 01:36:30 but the speed of my evo is far superior Aug 20 01:36:34 i miss my pre, but i dont miss the hardware issues, the lack of direction, and vauge time tables Aug 20 01:37:04 chuqui: good luck .. it's been a long ride but wow - the blindsides have got to keep hurting, don't they ? Aug 20 01:37:06 I fortunately never had any of the oreo effect, loose battery issues, or any of that random crap everyone else seemed to have Aug 20 01:37:07 I liked the pre - at first then it got unbearable Aug 20 01:37:12 it just seems like they came one after the other after the other Aug 20 01:37:18 i wonder how many are getting chocolate wasted Aug 20 01:37:20 I still use my Pre as my phone...was hoping for a Pre3 soon...but I guess that's off the cards :( Aug 20 01:37:41 I had to switch, simply because my phone started acting up Aug 20 01:37:53 i don't get why they never fixed the lag issues with webos Aug 20 01:38:02 I can't see how WebOS as a platform will survive after this :( Aug 20 01:38:07 wait Aug 20 01:38:08 watching a touchpad commercial with the boxer, ironic Aug 20 01:38:15 why are people going to try to put android on the touchpad? Aug 20 01:38:19 bpadalino: welcome to high tech land. I've been threw this before. you make touch choices, you pivot, you learn from the mistakes, you move forward in a new direction. Aug 20 01:38:20 webOS is FAR superior Aug 20 01:38:34 * hemna agrees Aug 20 01:38:48 My wife has a xoom, and I don't care for it Aug 20 01:38:49 I wonder if theres a warehouse full of pre3 phones somewhere Aug 20 01:38:53 chuqui: i admire your tenacity .. i don't think i could have brushed it off that easily Aug 20 01:39:01 LarrySteeze: a $99 tablet that is actually decent Aug 20 01:39:08 but they dont want it for webos Aug 20 01:39:11 bpadalino: I'm not sure I'd use the word "easily". Aug 20 01:39:15 chuqui is a warrior bro Aug 20 01:39:24 *sigh* Aug 20 01:39:30 imagine if they came out the door at 99 or even 150 Aug 20 01:39:32 if I can buy a Verizon Pre 3 for $200, I'll buy THREE Aug 20 01:39:33 so the pricing is at 7am you say? Aug 20 01:39:36 jeez Aug 20 01:39:42 according to slickdeals Aug 20 01:39:48 the hardware is great on the TP, but the software hasn't been optimized Aug 20 01:39:48 chuqui: you're totally in my zombie survival squad during the apocalypse Aug 20 01:39:54 ive already set an alarm on my pre2 ;p Aug 20 01:40:07 i really believe i should be part of the zombie survival squad Aug 20 01:40:08 they pulled the plug without even two months behind this product Aug 20 01:40:17 gotcha...the only slickdeals thing I saw was that they didn't know the time Aug 20 01:40:33 at the very top of the wiki part Aug 20 01:40:36 (2nd post) Aug 20 01:40:39 * dcousineau tosses esser a shotgun Aug 20 01:41:22 dcousineau: thanks! I'll watch your back Aug 20 01:41:26 * esser cracks open a guard armory and grabs an HK 416 Aug 20 01:41:29 http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-16gb-touchpad-with-wi-fi-16gb-wifi/10173116.aspx?path=01191e3f32fb2966d8a052fd3272bd05en02 Aug 20 01:41:33 sold out: Aug 20 01:41:46 chuqui: watch my back? fsck that I just gave you the dear leader hat Aug 20 01:41:50 kevets been taht way for over an hour Aug 20 01:41:53 odd...not seeing it Aug 20 01:41:55 they dont ship outside of canada anyways Aug 20 01:42:02 no US retailer has dropped the price Aug 20 01:42:18 kevets: try thesource.ca Aug 20 01:42:21 i did call this though https://twitter.com/#!/bryantdunivan/status/104403590587748353 Aug 20 01:43:03 yeah you did Aug 20 01:43:14 OK guys Aug 20 01:43:21 my friend just said he picked up a touchpad for $87 Aug 20 01:43:30 gotcha Aug 20 01:43:32 wow Aug 20 01:43:38 Holy what Aug 20 01:43:44 This makes me want to cry Aug 20 01:43:46 trsohmers: where Aug 20 01:43:46 thats kinda awesome Aug 20 01:43:47 32gb Aug 20 01:43:49 HP.com Aug 20 01:43:52 Education store Aug 20 01:43:56 you know...we all agree that this kinda sucks...but it also could be genius as well Aug 20 01:44:04 also, shocking Aug 20 01:44:05 hp.com still shows $499 for the 32g Aug 20 01:44:05 awesome Aug 20 01:44:29 trsohmers: They're still fullprice on the edu store afaiact Aug 20 01:45:04 Sorry guys… he just said that he called them and they said that Aug 20 01:45:17 the telephone. how quaint Aug 20 01:45:20 huh Aug 20 01:45:49 funkatron: hehe Aug 20 01:45:52 OK guys Aug 20 01:45:52 eh Aug 20 01:46:04 I went to hp.com edu store and it's still full price for me Aug 20 01:46:04 If you are a student, you can use a student discount Aug 20 01:46:05 p Aug 20 01:46:13 hey Aug 20 01:46:14 plus there is a $15 SAVE15HP discount code Aug 20 01:46:18 the education store has the 64gb Aug 20 01:46:36 in white Aug 20 01:46:55 If you have education discount, you can get the 32GB for $87 and 16gb for $63 Aug 20 01:47:14 where are you seeing this :S Aug 20 01:47:26 trsohmers: at 7am? or now? Aug 20 01:47:31 you just need a .edu email? Aug 20 01:47:32 If you have education discount, you can get the 32GB for $87 and 16gb for $63… if you use the SAVE15HP discount code as well Aug 20 01:47:32 just got mine for 92 Aug 20 01:47:34 7AM tomorrow Aug 20 01:47:36 w00t Aug 20 01:47:38 http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?nTab=1&ProductLineId=48&FamilyId=2993&SubfamilyId=3030&oi=E9CED&jumpid=in_R3962_smaddox_touchpad/promo_storeLOB|hied/placement|4way Aug 20 01:47:41 trsohmers: ok Aug 20 01:47:45 gards how did you get it for 92? Aug 20 01:47:56 bestbuy.com says the 32g is sold out online at $499 Aug 20 01:48:02 edu store Aug 20 01:48:12 and that save15hp coupon Aug 20 01:48:15 99-15 + tax Aug 20 01:48:17 hemna: That is because they took them off sale Aug 20 01:48:26 garbs how did you buy it? It still lists $99 for me Aug 20 01:48:34 dunno man Aug 20 01:48:36 you guys are seeing it for 99? Aug 20 01:48:36 click this link Aug 20 01:48:37 http://slickdeals.net/?&u2=http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?product_code=FB355UA%23ABA&template_type=product_detail&aoid=35252&jumpid=ex_r11614_us/en/HHO_r329/Affiliate/FY11/TouchPad Aug 20 01:48:38 holy crap Aug 20 01:48:39 what country are you in? Aug 20 01:48:59 white 64gb would be interesting Aug 20 01:49:19 that link is 399 Aug 20 01:49:31 not for me Aug 20 01:49:33 garbs, that says $399 Aug 20 01:49:40 sign in using your APP account first Aug 20 01:49:43 close page Aug 20 01:49:45 and then click link Aug 20 01:49:53 worked for me Aug 20 01:50:06 holy cow Aug 20 01:50:09 99 Aug 20 01:50:17 Not working for me Aug 20 01:50:23 I don't quite know what an APP account is though lol Aug 20 01:50:26 I signed in, then closed page, then clicked the link Aug 20 01:50:28 hp academy Aug 20 01:50:32 ah Aug 20 01:50:35 Flush cache? Aug 20 01:50:40 when you close the page, make sure you're not closing your entire browser Aug 20 01:50:44 well...my school wasn't listed in their list Aug 20 01:50:50 but it seems to have liked me anyways Aug 20 01:51:01 Garbs, I know the difference between closing a tab and closing the browser Aug 20 01:51:08 just making sure lol Aug 20 01:51:10 some don't Aug 20 01:51:11 I'm out guys. stay sane 8) Aug 20 01:51:11 Plus it lists me as signed in at the top Aug 20 01:51:14 lol Aug 20 01:51:19 heh my employee price on the 32g says $464 Aug 20 01:51:21 heh Aug 20 01:51:22 fail Aug 20 01:51:31 It doesn't say HP Academy MIT for me for nothing Aug 20 01:51:32 lol Aug 20 01:51:50 :\ Aug 20 01:53:24 calling my local bestbuy Aug 20 01:53:51 * rrix can't figure out the 99$ through HPA :( Aug 20 01:54:08 psh Aug 20 01:54:13 i only got it down to 379 Aug 20 01:54:17 $99 through HPA still isn't working for me Aug 20 01:54:32 * jrabbit is tryign to reg for hpa Aug 20 01:55:45 okay, y'all. you know where to find me if you need me. I'm going to go try to have a weekend with a camera instead of email. hope you don't mind. Aug 20 01:56:09 chuqui: Enjoy yourself :) Aug 20 01:56:29 starting monday, we're gonna go figure this all out. and as we do, we'll let you all know what that means. Lots of work todo, but it'll wait a couple of days of everyone in DevRel to decompress a bit. Hope you understand Aug 20 01:56:53 OK, just confirmed if you call HP they will sell you for $99 Aug 20 01:57:06 HPA price: $379.99* Aug 20 01:57:07 :( Aug 20 01:57:21 night, all Aug 20 01:57:33 * rrix does so Aug 20 01:57:34 local best buy said they don't have any sale price change in the works Aug 20 01:57:48 cause they want HP to buy em back ;p Aug 20 01:57:55 haha Aug 20 01:58:00 oh god Aug 20 01:58:13 first advert: hp touchpad Aug 20 01:58:25 trsohmers, the 1866 807 7196 #? Aug 20 01:58:25 depressing as heck. Aug 20 01:58:45 rrix: haha I was wtahcing tv and saw an ad on a dvr'd show Aug 20 01:58:48 rrix yeah saw one here too Aug 20 01:58:48 :( Aug 20 01:58:59 plem: its hp's phone store though Aug 20 01:59:07 theyre still advertising it Aug 20 02:00:05 Phone number is 8889994747 Aug 20 02:00:25 now that I know I could have bought it over the phone, I wish I didn't pull the trigger on the website Aug 20 02:00:27 * rrix on holding Aug 20 02:00:47 LarrySteeze: why? Aug 20 02:00:51 because I feel like the school thing is going to bite me in the ass since I chose a different school (mine wasn't listed) Aug 20 02:00:53 trsohmers, thnx...calling Aug 20 02:00:53 wow this is crazy time Aug 20 02:01:01 Read the second post here Aug 20 02:01:03 for more info Aug 20 02:01:03 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862 Aug 20 02:01:18 heh my school's zipcode has lower taxes then mine Aug 20 02:01:39 $90 after tax Aug 20 02:01:57 i hate ordering over the phone Aug 20 02:02:45 is this for educational accounts only? Aug 20 02:02:57 TRICK TO DO IT ONLINE Aug 20 02:02:58 Enter your EPP site/HP Academy. Aug 20 02:02:58 Click tablets will show original price... instead, click the HP logo at top left, it'll bring you to the main intro site. Aug 20 02:02:59 From there, click Shop for Products and services and follow the tablet trail, and you will see the adjusted prices. Aug 20 02:02:59 This Actually Works!! Aug 20 02:03:04 it doesnt work Aug 20 02:03:07 i still only get 5% Aug 20 02:03:33 it should be like roulette Aug 20 02:03:39 everytime you open the page, you get a different price Aug 20 02:04:05 lol lottery Aug 20 02:04:06 lol Aug 20 02:04:22 when I did it that way I still got 399 Aug 20 02:04:32 I clicked the "buy from hp" link and still get $499 for the 32g Aug 20 02:04:33 or, let's make it interesting Aug 20 02:04:34 damn it they want to charge me my tax based on my shipping address not my billing addrress Aug 20 02:04:37 random price on checkout Aug 20 02:04:41 between $1 and $599 Aug 20 02:04:49 haha Aug 20 02:04:52 http://a.slickdeals.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=645436&d=1313803325 Aug 20 02:04:57 there's a picture Aug 20 02:05:01 showing it is working for some people Aug 20 02:05:17 https://twitter.com/brandonwatson/status/104732605500497921 Aug 20 02:05:25 I'm logged in with my EPP account...no dice Aug 20 02:05:27 trsohmers: all depends on your discount thru HPA Aug 20 02:05:39 HP seems to hate MIT Aug 20 02:05:48 alumni ? Aug 20 02:05:51 Student Aug 20 02:05:53 HP hates employees as well :( Aug 20 02:05:55 strange Aug 20 02:06:03 i used alumni and only save 5% Aug 20 02:06:04 it seems to hate developers, too Aug 20 02:06:09 i would have figured student would be better Aug 20 02:06:13 we may be on to something here Aug 20 02:06:14 Yea Aug 20 02:06:24 dawm|laptop: are you MIT alum? Aug 20 02:06:27 HP = Hate Products , Hate People Aug 20 02:06:28 hah no Aug 20 02:06:40 Hate Phones Aug 20 02:06:45 Hate PCs Aug 20 02:06:54 they just rmeoved my 15$ savings lol Aug 20 02:06:56 Haha Aug 20 02:06:56 yea Aug 20 02:07:13 no luck Aug 20 02:07:23 online at least Aug 20 02:07:26 still on hold Aug 20 02:07:28 bastards! :( Aug 20 02:07:31 rrix, same here Aug 20 02:07:43 i hate ordering over the phone.. soo horrible Aug 20 02:08:25 * rrix sighs Aug 20 02:08:39 I really hope Fry's will take this back or reimburse me. 300$ is a lot of college ramen Aug 20 02:09:11 Whats the good word this evening Aug 20 02:09:27 you can buy the touchpad for 99...right now...in the US Aug 20 02:09:29 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862 Aug 20 02:09:33 whoops sorry Aug 20 02:09:33 CTLAdvance: Want a 99$ touchpad?:) Aug 20 02:09:37 beating a dead horse Aug 20 02:09:55 ording. Aug 20 02:09:56 this hold music is making me want to kill mysel Aug 20 02:10:04 tell me about it Aug 20 02:10:23 I have to say, this is awesome. Aug 20 02:10:26 here I am trying to cancel my touchpad order waiting on hold >.< Aug 20 02:10:40 Sad about HP and all, but $99 for a tablet? #winning Aug 20 02:10:42 local BestBuy knows nothing about the fire sale Aug 20 02:10:50 http://twitter.com/#!/BrandonWatson/status/104732605500497921 Aug 20 02:10:53 webos deserves better than this Aug 20 02:11:06 whats the damn nmber Aug 20 02:11:07 I'm starting to worry about the stupid HPAcademy thing Aug 20 02:11:08 i cannot find it Aug 20 02:11:09 interesting email sent out today from the devrel team Aug 20 02:11:36 the HPA price went back up Aug 20 02:11:37 CTLAdvance, you mean the one that has lots of words but says nothing? Aug 20 02:11:40 dawm|laptop: 1 (888) 999-4747 Aug 20 02:12:16 dude I love my tp! Aug 20 02:12:21 Imagine if this is ALL a PR stunt to win over a large marketshare at an up-front expense Aug 20 02:12:24 ordering 3 now Aug 20 02:12:42 ok god Aug 20 02:12:44 I just saw it Aug 20 02:12:46 where to buiy? Aug 20 02:12:47 hp? Aug 20 02:12:52 yes Aug 20 02:13:07 the only real good way to buy it from hp right now is via phone Aug 20 02:13:07 still on death hold Aug 20 02:13:09 CTLAdvance: need edu store Aug 20 02:13:22 the edu store if you have a qualifying school Aug 20 02:13:49 bestbuy Aug 20 02:13:50 ? Aug 20 02:13:55 * rrix puts his phone down on speaker Aug 20 02:13:57 this music Aug 20 02:13:59 oh god Aug 20 02:14:02 CTLAdvance, already called BestBuy...no dice on the low price Aug 20 02:14:08 rrix, heh Aug 20 02:14:22 you don't like Saxaphone? Aug 20 02:14:23 And the sophisticated ultramodern envy laptop line Aug 20 02:14:25 does HP email you the tracking #s? Aug 20 02:14:31 hemna: someone is raping a piano on my end Aug 20 02:14:40 lol Aug 20 02:15:04 heh I have a porno saxaphone tune as my hold music Aug 20 02:15:12 hemna???? Aug 20 02:15:31 easily could be a soundtrack for an 80's porno Aug 20 02:15:35 hemna: well, we are getting f***ed by HP :) Aug 20 02:15:39 :) Aug 20 02:15:55 I can't even cancel the order I placed online...online... Aug 20 02:17:09 has HP cut the price themselves Aug 20 02:17:10 ? Aug 20 02:17:15 CTLAdvance: kind of Aug 20 02:17:18 ok so looks like no one has a discount as of now Aug 20 02:17:24 kind of? Aug 20 02:17:31 its not on their online stores Aug 20 02:17:38 Rumours say 7am est Aug 20 02:17:39 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862 Aug 20 02:17:48 tomorrow you mean Aug 20 02:17:51 ah Aug 20 02:17:53 nice Aug 20 02:17:55 8/20 Aug 20 02:19:00 lots of alarm clocks set for 4am? Aug 20 02:19:05 How is HP allowed to charge sales tax in states that have no online sales tax? Aug 20 02:19:24 jrabbit: some states now collect sales tax no matter where the products go Aug 20 02:19:25 sounds like fraud lol Aug 20 02:20:13 Stiiiiil on hold Aug 20 02:20:30 rrix which number did you call? Aug 20 02:20:35 Education store or regular number> Aug 20 02:20:36 the 999 Aug 20 02:20:55 The one everyone else said to call ;) Aug 20 02:22:02 rrix: im just gonna wait till tomorrow Aug 20 02:22:05 when you can do it online Aug 20 02:22:13 we all know bestbuy has a butt ton Aug 20 02:23:15 I want a 64gb Aug 20 02:23:19 hi guys, whats goin on Aug 20 02:23:26 CTLAdvance: they have it on the hp site Aug 20 02:23:27 I am waiting to chat with a rep Aug 20 02:23:28 dawm|laptop: I thought about it, but I don't trust bb here to stockit Aug 20 02:23:30 under the education area Aug 20 02:23:30 44 in queue Aug 20 02:23:34 18 minute wait Aug 20 02:23:49 fxspec06: we're hacking HP for 100$ touchpads before the deals hit online :p Aug 20 02:23:53 do you have a link Aug 20 02:24:02 hmm Aug 20 02:24:08 so you calling to orde Aug 20 02:24:09 r Aug 20 02:24:15 or can we do it through edu site Aug 20 02:24:17 online Aug 20 02:24:31 do u guys think i'll have to send back my loaner? or will i be able to get it at liquidation price? Aug 20 02:24:40 * fxspec06 just saw a touchpad $399 commercial Aug 20 02:24:57 fxspec06: just see if they make you give it back at all Aug 20 02:25:07 yeah. i'm thinking that Aug 20 02:25:08 Chat hours are 7 am to 2 am everyday (Eastern Time). Aug 20 02:25:10 um.. Aug 20 02:25:16 its 10:22 eastern time Aug 20 02:25:26 this price I can get behind Aug 20 02:25:28 and buy 2 Aug 20 02:25:31 or at least 1 Aug 20 02:25:36 CTLAdvance: how did you get to chat? Aug 20 02:25:46 W00t! Aug 20 02:25:51 its right up on the page Aug 20 02:25:54 I HIGHLY recommend calling HP Aug 20 02:25:54 I went to cs page Aug 20 02:25:55 * rrix should go grab noms while he is on hold for-freaking-ever Aug 20 02:26:07 i mean, honestly, $149 for a 32gb touchpad, is like.. the BEST deal for a tablet.. ever Aug 20 02:26:07 36 in queue Aug 20 02:26:14 but you all know this already Aug 20 02:26:25 looks like pre3 is completely cancelled Aug 20 02:26:31 =| Aug 20 02:26:32 Vapourware Aug 20 02:26:40 the question is Aug 20 02:26:41 Where can I get the HP Veer? Aug 20 02:26:48 will they provide the 50% dev discount :) Aug 20 02:26:49 I'm probably gonna downlaod the webos 3.0 kernel tonight and document TTS Aug 20 02:26:54 55 in queue Aug 20 02:27:02 I'm not even being told there are folks in queue Aug 20 02:27:05 what am I doing wrong? Aug 20 02:27:13 I called HP to cancel my order of 2 16gb touchpads because I ordered through the HPA program but selected the wrong school. They didn't want me to cancel, so they switched it to general. They then offered me the 50% dev discount. Aug 20 02:27:14 You guys called the 9994747 number? Aug 20 02:27:20 rrix, webchat Aug 20 02:27:27 im not waiting on hold Aug 20 02:27:29 Oh Aug 20 02:27:29 f that Aug 20 02:27:31 what number are we calling them on? Aug 20 02:27:45 1 (800) 790-6947 Aug 20 02:27:46 Sales & Customer Service 1 (888) 999-4747 Aug 20 02:28:01 LarrySteeze: and that number put you through? Aug 20 02:28:08 I've seriously been on hold 30 minutes now Aug 20 02:28:17 50 in queue Aug 20 02:28:21 yes. after calling, I dialed a "2, 2, 2." Aug 20 02:28:31 it brought me to customer service rather tahn sales Aug 20 02:28:39 Oh Aug 20 02:28:40 feh Aug 20 02:28:41 Hm. $99 16GB and $149 32GB in Canada Aug 20 02:28:44 though it was customer service for an existing order Aug 20 02:28:48 Right Aug 20 02:28:51 * rrix sighface Aug 20 02:28:58 this is moving fast Aug 20 02:28:58 so instead of getting 2 touchpads, I'm getting 4. Aug 20 02:29:00 46 now Aug 20 02:29:24 for less than $200 Aug 20 02:29:45 Sigh. This is depressing: "Hi Team,  Please stop wearing your WebOS T-shirt. Switch back to your blue HP Polos. " Aug 20 02:29:53 where do we find the cheap tablets? Aug 20 02:30:12 if I buy any more, I fear the wrath of my wife Aug 20 02:30:17 rrix, still on hold? Aug 20 02:30:20 Yup Aug 20 02:30:23 summatusmentis: Best Buy, Future Shop, Staples Aug 20 02:30:25 same here Aug 20 02:30:26 LarrySteeze: how so cheap Aug 20 02:30:28 ok Aug 20 02:30:32 I'm not going insane Aug 20 02:30:35 everything online is showing expensive pricing Aug 20 02:30:41 summatusmentis, yup Aug 20 02:30:47 summatusmentis: Rumour has it they will be online at 7am est Aug 20 02:30:54 dawn: 50% dev discount Aug 20 02:30:55 25 in queue Aug 20 02:31:02 *dawm Aug 20 02:31:06 Larry did you have to provide them with your code Aug 20 02:31:07 shit Aug 20 02:31:09 i never got that Aug 20 02:31:12 are we expecting these to go super fast? Aug 20 02:31:14 and CTLAdvance Aug 20 02:31:16 im talking to someone now ;p Aug 20 02:31:21 what Aug 20 02:31:26 on the phone Aug 20 02:31:30 chat Aug 20 02:31:34 phone! Aug 20 02:31:38 CTLAdvance: I was never asked for it...though I already had my email address registered Aug 20 02:32:08 first thing: buying a touchpad? Aug 20 02:32:28 i never got the 50% coupon Aug 20 02:32:29 :( Aug 20 02:32:31 wtf Aug 20 02:33:00 at this price ill buy the charger and keyboard Aug 20 02:33:03 mayeb this is a stunt to get developers? :P Aug 20 02:33:06 haha Aug 20 02:33:08 this guy is funny Aug 20 02:33:15 he says they are so busy and excite its on sale Aug 20 02:33:34 dawm: I'm sure they ARE busy and excited Aug 20 02:33:47 imagine the number of new webOS users they think they're going to get Aug 20 02:33:59 They are, at these prices. Aug 20 02:34:02 50% dev discount? Aug 20 02:34:08 this will SAVE webOS Aug 20 02:34:09 no, retail Aug 20 02:34:09 SAVE Aug 20 02:34:12 ^^^ Aug 20 02:34:15 "we sold 100$ between when we first started talking" Aug 20 02:34:20 lool Aug 20 02:34:24 200,000 new users if they sell them all Aug 20 02:34:29 $99 16GB Touchpad makes it kind of tempting. Aug 20 02:34:30 suitors will want this SO badly Aug 20 02:34:48 IGNTNUNLMTD: I doubt they'll care but maybe it'll help anyone on the inside tryign to get the source published Aug 20 02:34:51 2000 in the last few hours Aug 20 02:35:08 I quite literally sold 5 touchpads in the last 30 minutes of Staples being open Aug 20 02:35:15 once people started price-matching Best Buy Aug 20 02:35:18 lol Aug 20 02:35:26 They're out of 16GB now Aug 20 02:35:48 ill assume getting the dev discount is pretty hard right now Aug 20 02:36:12 wish i paid attention, last i heard it was like $50 off Aug 20 02:36:34 CTLAdvance: im not sure we can order thru the chat Aug 20 02:36:54 im waiting on hold Aug 20 02:36:55 he meantioned he could wait for me to buy it, but the sale price isnt live on the site yet Aug 20 02:37:06 which sounds like buy it and we'll credit you Aug 20 02:37:17 got the porno sax after punching in 2, 2, 2 at the 999 number ... Aug 20 02:37:30 yeah I am waiting for that now Aug 20 02:37:34 bartholemew: Aww yeah Aug 20 02:37:36 but I called english sales Aug 20 02:37:37 1 Aug 20 02:37:37 1 Aug 20 02:37:38 1 Aug 20 02:38:00 So wait, what's this dev discount thing? Aug 20 02:38:02 not enough of an aficionado to call it as 80's or 90's though. ;) Aug 20 02:38:18 hp touchpad is sold out online on bestbuy Aug 20 02:38:24 !surprising Aug 20 02:38:29 there will be lines tomorrow. Aug 20 02:38:30 lame Aug 20 02:38:33 he just told me i better buy it now Aug 20 02:38:37 they dont know how much stock is left Aug 20 02:38:38 ^ Aug 20 02:38:42 wtf Aug 20 02:38:43 ... Aug 20 02:38:44 ugh Aug 20 02:38:50 well glad I have mine already Aug 20 02:39:00 I just need to confirm how much it will cost me Aug 20 02:39:02 Shadyman: who's the "they" that are out of 16GB now? Aug 20 02:39:07 BB or HP phone sales? Aug 20 02:39:19 or staples? Aug 20 02:39:24 bartholemew: The staples store I work at Aug 20 02:39:45 $99 touchpads?!? Aug 20 02:39:51 yup Aug 20 02:39:58 sweet gezus Aug 20 02:40:22 ill buy 32's I just need to know where Aug 20 02:40:49 think best buy Aug 20 02:41:23 they are out Aug 20 02:41:28 417$ charged to my card, $300 refund when it ships Aug 20 02:41:46 hmm take my bose headphones back and get a touchpad Aug 20 02:41:48 HP phone store is getting slammed, better hurry if you want one Aug 20 02:42:32 I need to find somewhere I can pay cash Aug 20 02:42:40 finally got a rep on the phone Aug 20 02:42:47 woot Aug 20 02:42:51 $149 for 32g Aug 20 02:42:52 got the 99 price on the site ;P Aug 20 02:42:52 hemna: GO GO GO Aug 20 02:42:56 buying it now Aug 20 02:43:16 Now to decide if I fight Fry's to get a late return for fight to get 300$ refunded. Or if I keep them both. Aug 20 02:43:25 how Aug 20 02:43:31 how did you get it on the site Aug 20 02:43:43 heh Aug 20 02:43:47 someone remind me the discount code...helping my dad on the phone order one Aug 20 02:43:47 getting another discount on top of that Aug 20 02:43:50 If I keep them both, one goes to my hackerspace, and I o-scope the TTS stuff Aug 20 02:43:52 since I'm an employee Aug 20 02:43:56 it's odd though Aug 20 02:43:57 LarrySteeze: save30hp Aug 20 02:43:57 was it save15hp? Aug 20 02:44:01 ok thanks Aug 20 02:44:05 Price: $399.99 Aug 20 02:44:05 Discount: -$300.00 Aug 20 02:44:15 they are going to charge my card the full non discount price, then credit my card back in 2 days Aug 20 02:44:16 hrmm Aug 20 02:44:22 what site that discount for? Aug 20 02:44:28 dawm - did you need a code Aug 20 02:44:29 ziplock503: HP store Aug 20 02:44:31 or just add it to cart Aug 20 02:44:34 i signed up for the EPP Aug 20 02:44:40 per the slickdeals instructions Aug 20 02:45:11 What the hell Aug 20 02:45:18 I can't get the discount Aug 20 02:45:19 with AAP Aug 20 02:45:21 dawm - did they give you a code Aug 20 02:45:37 what do you mean Aug 20 02:46:09 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862 Aug 20 02:46:11 read the 2nd post Aug 20 02:46:15 about the EPP Aug 20 02:46:23 maybe pick up a pre2 for a backup Aug 20 02:46:28 hp site shows 399 Aug 20 02:46:29 $49.99 Aug 20 02:46:46 I think the EPP discount depends on your school. That's the only thing I can think of Aug 20 02:46:56 it didn't work for me, works fine for others Aug 20 02:47:10 rwhitby: Today is really preware's 2nd bday? Aug 20 02:47:16 That's so bloody depressing.l Aug 20 02:47:22 just sign up for it Aug 20 02:47:33 EPP is biz Aug 20 02:47:37 HPA is school Aug 20 02:47:38 Oh Aug 20 02:47:40 I'm thinking HPA then Aug 20 02:48:11 AAP is school too Aug 20 02:48:14 the ppl on that forum have no clue Aug 20 02:48:18 really wish i had my new chase credit card right now Aug 20 02:48:32 99 pages?! wow Aug 20 02:48:34 and it displays HPA/AAP discount in one of the screenshots Aug 20 02:48:47 I just. ugh. :( Aug 20 02:48:51 I feel dirty after buying that thing Aug 20 02:48:53 Sup everynayn Aug 20 02:49:04 The rep I talked to also felt dirty, I think Aug 20 02:49:05 Those 6600 wooters are probably pretty pissed off... Aug 20 02:49:09 rumor is phones will be 49.99 tomorrow Aug 20 02:49:20 Jeez Aug 20 02:49:21 I'm sure a million people joined this room after buying their touchpad today Aug 20 02:49:25 rrix, how did you verify student id and such? Aug 20 02:49:35 I'm hoping my friend will get one for me ow. Aug 20 02:49:35 trsohmers: I didn't, I called and that was all I needed Aug 20 02:49:43 Wow Aug 20 02:49:43 You don't need HPA to buy from the phone Aug 20 02:49:44 i can read the headlines tomorrow: "HP TouchPad surpasses iPad and iPad 2 sales combined, literally overnight!" Aug 20 02:49:46 which phones - the veer? Aug 20 02:50:01 fxspec06: I predicted that very headline on precentral in the morning :) Aug 20 02:50:11 WAIT Aug 20 02:50:11 "webOS sales skyrocket overnight" Aug 20 02:50:14 THIS IS ALL A PLOT BY HP Aug 20 02:50:20 pre2 Aug 20 02:50:27 "webOS is NOT dead, developers seeing massive boost in app sales" Aug 20 02:50:31 trsohmers: If so,it's fucking brilliant and fucking evil. Aug 20 02:50:40 "webOS app sales quintuple overnight" Aug 20 02:50:51 says all webos phones 49.99 on 8/20 Aug 20 02:50:59 it would be more evil and brilliant if there was a hardware licensee already lined up in total secrecy Aug 20 02:51:02 49.99 unlocked? :D Aug 20 02:51:05 i agree..... Aug 20 02:51:08 A guy can dream, eh? Aug 20 02:51:09 yeah Aug 20 02:51:13 what seriously Aug 20 02:51:16 UNLOCKED?!?! Aug 20 02:51:19 I might get one I already got pre2 Aug 20 02:51:20 I'm buying 5 Aug 20 02:51:24 :P Aug 20 02:51:25 I wonder how much is anything they're losing on these sales Aug 20 02:51:26 trsohmers: hah Aug 20 02:51:30 Wish was made out of money Aug 20 02:51:31 edude03: lots. Aug 20 02:51:31 lol Aug 20 02:51:41 Is the pre2 compatible with the Touchpad touch share thing Aug 20 02:51:43 edude03: their stock went down 20% today Aug 20 02:51:46 slickdeals.net type touchpad Aug 20 02:51:46 they're losing lots. but remember gusy: they get 30% of ALL APP SALES Aug 20 02:51:47 you know like you tap the touchpad Aug 20 02:52:08 http://www.google.com/finance?q=HP Aug 20 02:52:16 you want ticker HPQ Aug 20 02:52:17 Everyones face when HP makes millions off app sales by the end of the year Aug 20 02:52:24 done deal...! Aug 20 02:52:25 ticker HP is an oil company Aug 20 02:52:26 w00t Aug 20 02:52:30 picked up the 32g Aug 20 02:52:30 bartholemew: oh Aug 20 02:52:32 my bad Aug 20 02:52:44 hemna same :D Aug 20 02:52:48 bought one for my aunt too Aug 20 02:53:00 I will switch to AT&T even for a cheap unlocked Pre 3 Aug 20 02:53:05 trsohmers: no, does not have the hardware Aug 20 02:53:10 I might get a couple 16G boxes for xmas presents Aug 20 02:53:18 have to pass that through the wife though Aug 20 02:53:20 I'd pay full price for a Pre3 still Aug 20 02:53:24 Am I crazy? Aug 20 02:53:36 no, so would I on VZW Aug 20 02:53:38 rwhitby: So they advertise that feature which does not exist, since probably the pre3 is canceled? Aug 20 02:53:42 the Pre 3 is a great phone Aug 20 02:53:45 ziplock503: source of rumour? Aug 20 02:53:47 Stupid HP… HP= Hates Products, and Hates People Aug 20 02:53:48 :P Aug 20 02:53:58 trsohmers: yep, no touch to share in the US Aug 20 02:53:58 ok waiting on the call line Aug 20 02:54:05 whats the 999 number Aug 20 02:54:08 i wouldn't pay full price for one. not now Aug 20 02:54:12 ordered Aug 20 02:54:15 that would be silly Aug 20 02:54:17 $90.09 Aug 20 02:55:07 rrix, did you get through yet? Aug 20 02:55:12 Uhg Aug 20 02:55:15 hemna: I'm set Aug 20 02:55:18 Shipping monday Aug 20 02:55:21 It's still not showing up on HP AAP site for me Aug 20 02:55:25 rockin, yup..ship monday Aug 20 02:56:03 slickdeals.net type touchpad it first thread to pop up .. guy said it was a rep he talked to Aug 20 02:56:18 * PatrickC_TP just ordered 4 touchpad Aug 20 02:56:22 :| Aug 20 02:56:23 excellent Aug 20 02:56:24 lol Aug 20 02:56:29 touchpads* Aug 20 02:56:33 :-) Aug 20 02:57:21 PatrickC what was your process - Aug 20 02:57:26 PM me if you want Aug 20 02:57:27 http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/9a3e7678-7eb1-4b7f-88ea-73f2acd4d0a6/hp-touchpad-16gb-99-and-32gb-149-selloff-starts-8-20 Aug 20 02:57:30 hmm 4 of them Aug 20 02:57:36 If i had found them online I could have ordered a handful. My friend and I are going to fry's tomorrow to hustle them. Aug 20 02:57:48 Since his card isn't currently maxed like mine :( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 20 02:59:56 2011