**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:57 2011 Aug 21 03:01:15 Tibfib: so I think your kinda screwed. the grid has a height of the visible area Aug 21 03:01:22 haha Aug 21 03:01:28 and likely relies on the overflow Aug 21 03:01:36 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=api.php <- heh Aug 21 03:01:49 you would need to apply the bg to the items perhaps. Aug 21 03:02:02 hmmm Aug 21 03:02:57 I don't think that would work Aug 21 03:02:58 its probably due to the transform3d or whatever it is that does the hw-accel scrolling Aug 21 03:03:07 oh if I decelerate it Aug 21 03:03:11 de-accelerate Aug 21 03:03:20 lol Aug 21 03:03:53 inspect in chrome - the computed height of the grid is the same height as the scroller - the visible area. Aug 21 03:03:54 no, still doesn't work Aug 21 03:04:06 hmm, that's odd Aug 21 03:04:16 OH, perhaps the grid does something funky Aug 21 03:04:23 maybe another wrapper kind is needed Aug 21 03:05:18 DANGIT Aug 21 03:05:30 Tibfib: I think the grid content is simply overflowing the grid dom element. Aug 21 03:05:44 ahh, that could be Aug 21 03:06:11 you'd need to change the implementation of the grid control i think. Aug 21 03:06:46 or change how you structure the contents of the grid and apply it to the items in the grid, not the grid itself. Aug 21 03:07:15 the grid is just made by "float: left" on each item it seems Aug 21 03:08:30 looks like I'll just ignore that style issue for now Aug 21 03:08:38 it just looks bad when you are scrolling Aug 21 03:08:41 Tibfib: you could either cheat and make sure they line up correctly at 1024 and 768 Aug 21 03:08:51 or make them justify. Aug 21 03:09:00 and then apply to the items to get the "row" effect. Aug 21 03:09:43 hmmmm Aug 21 03:10:08 but then what if your items aren't the full width of the screen? Aug 21 03:10:30 right - thats why you make sure to size them correctly so they perfectly line up at 768px and 1024px. :) Aug 21 03:10:36 oh, yeah Aug 21 03:10:51 or you pad them so they always justify to fit the width. Aug 21 03:10:51 well I guess once I get a pre3 I'll have to investigate more Aug 21 03:11:03 rwatkins-mbp: thanks a lot for your help Aug 21 03:11:14 sure. np. Aug 21 03:13:44 *sigh* I just saw a touchpad image get linked in #touchdroid Aug 21 03:13:53 Tibfib: get me one too? Aug 21 03:14:09 Shadyman: say what? Aug 21 03:14:15 a pre3 :p Aug 21 03:14:29 Tibfib: I'll take a Sprint one Aug 21 03:14:44 oh Aug 21 03:14:46 bbl Aug 21 03:14:53 they're all MINE Aug 21 03:15:21 is there no irc client for touchpad Aug 21 03:15:38 rasstar: wirc Aug 21 03:16:12 thats for phones Aug 21 03:16:24 are they selling those pre3's Aug 21 03:16:30 talking bat a full screen cient Aug 21 03:16:38 about Aug 21 03:17:11 hey Tibfib_! Aug 21 03:17:22 if you have the testing feeds enabled, you can get the wirc phone version scaled up. Only enable the testing feeds though if you agree to webos=internal's rules on their page Aug 21 03:17:22 it runs uirevision2 and stretches Aug 21 03:17:31 and the enyo rewrite is in progress Aug 21 03:18:24 no no "coming soon" Aug 21 03:18:39 ooh prepare. This is the oalm pre all over again. Is uninstalled the same way Aug 21 03:19:03 is it installed the same way Aug 21 03:19:44 would be great if the pad had word prediction Aug 21 03:20:26 would be great if the pad had alot of things. but its now "what you see is what you get". Aug 21 03:20:59 yea I guess. Aug 21 03:21:36 webcast works fine anyway Aug 21 03:21:59 fairly ticked that Pre3 will never get a real Enyo. :/ Aug 21 03:22:03 i wish it were possible to get a dev pre2 and frankenpre it onto verizon :( Aug 21 03:22:45 so they killed the pre 3 also before it was even release. Aug 21 03:23:05 released in uk. assume unlocked devices will appear at some point. Aug 21 03:23:09 this will go down in the history books Aug 21 03:25:32 rwatkins-mbp: they're still going to do OTA updates for the Touchpad Aug 21 03:25:43 Shadyman: maybe. Aug 21 03:27:44 The statement I got sounds a little more certain than maybe Aug 21 03:27:58 so did "this is a marathon" Aug 21 03:28:05 lol Aug 21 03:28:05 heh Aug 21 03:28:37 I don't believe anything Aug 21 03:29:12 not gonna see that 3.0 update to the veer/pre2 either, as promised. Aug 21 03:29:23 seeing is believing, i guess Aug 21 03:29:37 * oil will wait and see Aug 21 03:29:48 its prettly clearly game over and they are scrambling to make a plan. but its way too late. Aug 21 03:30:24 maybe something just happens and they get lucky. Samsung buys it and makes it perfect, but .. unlikely. Aug 21 03:30:37 I know for a fact that if Leo was there during the palm buyout it would have never happened Aug 21 03:30:44 oil: Get that IRC app out, stat, plz ;) Aug 21 03:31:01 Do want. Aug 21 03:31:05 someone didn't do a proper analysis Aug 21 03:31:05 people luved BeOS, Amiga OS, and alot of other great systems. but good does not ensure survival. Aug 21 03:31:33 /me joins #webos-trolling Aug 21 03:31:49 er Aug 21 03:31:52 stupid space bar. Aug 21 03:31:54 but beos and amiga os have functional open source clones :) Aug 21 03:32:16 ya, neither of which i wanna be running. :) Aug 21 03:32:46 cool and all, but .. just toys for a small dev community. Aug 21 03:33:36 so, is now the right time to raise the price of pondNotes from the $0.99 introductory ? Aug 21 03:33:56 #notsureifserious Aug 21 03:34:46 haeffb: interesting question Aug 21 03:34:51 dkirker: hey! how are you? Aug 21 03:35:01 My nomnomnom "sale" was going to end monday Aug 21 03:35:04 haeffb: Might depend how sales are going Aug 21 03:35:05 dunno what to do anymore Aug 21 03:35:50 argument could be made to raise it now - both for people spending their "free" $50 app catalog money, and not like a lower price is "grabbing marketshare" for later. Aug 21 03:37:03 yeah, fair point Aug 21 03:37:15 but don't want people to be like, well this is more expensive than this google reader app, let's get that Aug 21 03:37:21 ya tib: raise it up on tomorrow (sunday) Aug 21 03:37:28 unless you promised monday Aug 21 03:37:29 Tibfib: Doing better today. Aug 21 03:37:30 ya, gotta compare with the competition. Aug 21 03:37:35 Glad to see TouchPads selling. :) Aug 21 03:37:38 love nomnomnom Aug 21 03:37:47 bnceo`: I promised one week Aug 21 03:37:49 when best buy unleashes them, it's gonna be chaos Aug 21 03:38:43 so should i pull "Paper Mache" and put out a $5 "Paper Mache HD"? :) Aug 21 03:38:53 hehe Aug 21 03:39:07 and just say screw you to the people that bitch about the additional $1 Instapaper subscription? Aug 21 03:39:11 bnceo`: and thansk! Aug 21 03:39:27 rwatkins-mbp: I think on the whole, bad move Aug 21 03:39:31 but you might get some money Aug 21 03:40:00 is there a patch to identify the device as mobile device Aug 21 03:40:00 Why do barely any of you use Villo? Aug 21 03:40:09 Why do you ask silly questions? Aug 21 03:40:31 Why is your nickname kesne and not kense? Aug 21 03:40:42 Tibfib: ... Aug 21 03:40:45 what is silly abt that Aug 21 03:40:55 kense sounds MUCH cooler Aug 21 03:40:59 having trouble with lots of websites Aug 21 03:41:00 kesne: dunno, just doesn't really fit any of mine Aug 21 03:41:01 I'm not kense Aug 21 03:41:04 I'm kesne Aug 21 03:41:11 Tibfib: App States fits everything! Aug 21 03:41:14 Settings, storage... Aug 21 03:41:20 Chat is pretty universal, too Aug 21 03:41:29 kesne: I don't need chat in a google reader or music app Aug 21 03:41:32 pretty hokey there Aug 21 03:41:40 Heh, true Aug 21 03:41:46 It'd work in the music app though! Aug 21 03:41:49 Continuous clients FTW Aug 21 03:42:06 settings are cool, but not needed if I'm not going to do a major villo feature Aug 21 03:42:12 kesne: I considered using storage, but when I have no control over your side, how can I trust that it will be there for customers next month? Aug 21 03:42:27 WHAT ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS??? Aug 21 03:42:27 oh, wait. I won't have customers next month, so never mind. Aug 21 03:42:34 haeffb: What do you mean? Aug 21 03:43:25 kesne: I spend months writing an app, use Villo for cloud storage. Release the app. Then a week later, you decide to stop making TouchPads and my cloud storage solution disappears. Aug 21 03:43:37 haeffb: Hahaha Aug 21 03:43:52 haeffb: Villo isn't going anywhere. We have it financially supported for like 5 years at its current state, and 2 years if it really really explodes. Aug 21 03:44:15 how do you tell how much credit you have left on your promo code? Aug 21 03:44:19 the $50 one that is Aug 21 03:44:24 k. nm. found it Aug 21 03:44:31 sports live HD, here I come! Aug 21 03:44:42 bnceo`: It has Villo! Aug 21 03:44:58 huh, recommend apps in the TP catalog has changed. Aug 21 03:45:02 I got $31 left Aug 21 03:45:12 haeffb: nomnomnom? Aug 21 03:45:15 could be why it's taking me to load so long Aug 21 03:45:16 haha Aug 21 03:45:16 haeffb, do you only see about three recommended apps? I do Aug 21 03:45:33 now would be the best possible week to get recommended Aug 21 03:45:39 no, I see a long list. No nomnomnom, though. Aug 21 03:45:42 :'( Aug 21 03:45:54 but it's acting squirelly. Just a big spinner right now. Aug 21 03:46:04 Mine failed to connect Aug 21 03:46:13 it's the gods giving revenge on the lack of nomnomnom Aug 21 03:46:14 THEIR SHUTTING DOWN THE CATALOG SERVERZ! Aug 21 03:46:20 their? Aug 21 03:46:21 oh no!!!!!! Aug 21 03:46:23 come on. Aug 21 03:46:36 probably wasn't designed to scale to the 2 million new TP's that were activated today Aug 21 03:46:40 Tibfib: It was intentional, man Aug 21 03:46:43 won't let me see the "New" tab... Aug 21 03:46:48 nm. came up Aug 21 03:46:50 ugh Aug 21 03:46:54 it's toying with me Aug 21 03:46:56 kesne: SHUUURRRRRRRRR Aug 21 03:46:58 ha, HP scale! Aug 21 03:47:01 Haha Aug 21 03:47:06 w00t Aug 21 03:47:11 Camera for touchpad is there Aug 21 03:47:27 love camera for touchpad Aug 21 03:47:27 dkirker, would it be faster to have an update rejected and submit a new one or wait for the update to get approved and submit the latest one? Aug 21 03:47:34 kesne: FREAK Aug 21 03:47:41 no fair Aug 21 03:47:47 I want my $99 touchpad now. Aug 21 03:47:47 yours doesn't even do anything Aug 21 03:47:49 bnceo`: And it loves you Aug 21 03:47:54 Tibfib: Well, I'd say, let your app get approved and submit a new one. Aug 21 03:48:06 it can TAKE AWKWARD PICTURES. WOOOPEEEE! Aug 21 03:48:08 Come on bestbuy ship the rest of your 250k touchpads back to hp so i can buy one. Aug 21 03:48:16 dkirker: alrighty, thanks Aug 21 03:48:32 http://www.masshightech.com/stories/2011/08/15/daily60-Google-please-be-the-webOS-white-knight.html Aug 21 03:48:51 holy shit. accuweather for TP Aug 21 03:49:09 lonequid: That would probably be the worst thing ever Aug 21 03:49:10 damnit Aug 21 03:49:11 I'm gonna be pissed if I find netflix in there today Aug 21 03:49:19 someone give me a bit.ly link to sports live HD Aug 21 03:49:20 You can't just magically mix two operating systems like that Aug 21 03:49:40 the bit about the patent is probably truer Aug 21 03:49:45 they should somehow merge webos and android Aug 21 03:49:50 and make some kind of super mobile os Aug 21 03:49:52 ewww Aug 21 03:49:54 no way Aug 21 03:49:55 Txyru: see the link i just pasted :P Aug 21 03:49:55 that kicks all sorts of asses. Aug 21 03:50:01 I want nothing from android except their numbers Aug 21 03:50:05 seems like the app cat is being hit hard tonight Aug 21 03:50:09 bnceo`: exactly Aug 21 03:50:30 s/pissed/ecstatic/ Aug 21 03:50:35 I disabled the tap ripple today Aug 21 03:50:44 ugh. google. they may be in for Palms patents though. Aug 21 03:50:46 lololololol http://twitter.com/#!/funkatron/status/105122644373946368 Aug 21 03:51:46 kesne: is there a Sports Live HD? Aug 21 03:51:50 Cause I can't find it... Aug 21 03:52:00 bnceo`: Not sure if it's in the catalog yet Aug 21 03:52:06 I thought it was... Aug 21 03:52:08 bah! Aug 21 03:52:12 Oh Aug 21 03:52:13 well Aug 21 03:52:16 I have no idea Aug 21 03:52:23 I just know that it uses Villo Aug 21 03:52:29 Damnit, I just typed KSO Aug 21 03:52:40 n00b Aug 21 03:52:44 this accuweather looks pretty cool. Except for that stupid ad at the bottom. Aug 21 03:53:07 write a patch to remove the ad :P Aug 21 03:53:29 I wish all the tweets on twitter with nomnomnom were about my app Aug 21 03:53:35 that's a small issue Aug 21 03:53:43 s/pretty cool/awesome Aug 21 03:53:58 haeffb: link to ss? Aug 21 03:54:23 meh. the satellite view isn't coming up Aug 21 03:54:32 surprised the touchpad did not come with a Twitter app Aug 21 03:54:32 you broke it Aug 21 03:54:36 spaz hd! Aug 21 03:55:18 is it free Aug 21 03:55:44 much rather use the browser than pay tongues Twitter Aug 21 03:55:46 writing patch in vi on emulator and remembering how much i hate vi. Aug 21 03:56:23 preware install "emacs" ? Aug 21 03:56:46 I actually paid for two Twitter apps for the pre. The developer pulled it Aug 21 03:56:48 rasstar: free Aug 21 03:57:11 And I'm sorry Mr. Jones, it's time Aug 21 03:57:21 Tibfib: have to reboot, usb mode doesn't want to work Aug 21 03:57:26 kesne: ben folds fan? Aug 21 03:57:28 good man Aug 21 03:57:35 Tibfib: <3 Aug 21 03:57:41 haeffb: why are you sharing? Aug 21 03:58:02 sharing? you wanted a screenshot Aug 21 03:58:06 ohhhhhh Aug 21 03:58:07 gotcha Aug 21 03:58:27 I"ve got oine, it's just taking a few minutes Aug 21 03:58:28 I can just google the app page Aug 21 03:58:36 watching the HP logo pulse Aug 21 03:58:47 true, but that won't show the weather in Macon MO Aug 21 03:59:04 haeffb: I'm so excited Aug 21 03:59:45 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/accuweather201120082251.png/ Aug 21 03:59:51 shoot, I think this firesale may keep webOS alive Aug 21 04:00:01 if the catalog doesn't die this weekend Aug 21 04:00:06 that would be pathetic Aug 21 04:00:12 hp, use your scale to keep the servers going Aug 21 04:00:25 haeffb: nice! Aug 21 04:00:36 sunday, 83 and zero chance of rain Aug 21 04:00:58 even better Aug 21 04:01:20 oh, and now the satellite comes up Aug 21 04:01:26 you unbroke it Aug 21 04:01:28 s/satellite/radar/ Aug 21 04:01:37 webos is ALIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Aug 21 04:01:40 ALIVE I TELL YOU Aug 21 04:01:55 *cue papa roach song* Aug 21 04:02:12 the hitler kills webOS video is super popuplar on twittwer Aug 21 04:02:15 I love disneyland Aug 21 04:02:16 radar doesnt' work, though Aug 21 04:02:18 :( Aug 21 04:02:22 omg Aug 21 04:02:23 haeffb: you broke it Aug 21 04:02:28 i miss disneyland......... ='( Aug 21 04:02:35 fxspec06: when were you there? Aug 21 04:02:36 I need to go to Disneyland Aug 21 04:02:38 err the hitler "hp kills webOS" video Aug 21 04:02:44 I got back on Monday Aug 21 04:02:58 dec 26 - jan 2 2006 Aug 21 04:03:07 Oh, heh Aug 21 04:03:12 '05 '06 Aug 21 04:03:23 * Tibfib last went to disney land when he was like 1 Aug 21 04:03:25 today is excellent for grass growing Aug 21 04:03:27 haeffb: Works for me? Aug 21 04:04:02 every day is a good day for grass growing! Aug 21 04:04:12 What kind of grass? Aug 21 04:04:19 the green kind Aug 21 04:04:24 kesne, the radar overlay doesn't match the map Aug 21 04:04:39 fxspec06: trololol Aug 21 04:04:47 I get a small square of radar up in the corner of the map Aug 21 04:04:49 I was going to tweet something Aug 21 04:04:54 I don't remember anymore Aug 21 04:04:55 Is Accuweather some undercover marijuana operation. Aug 21 04:05:03 haeffb: Mine works perfectly... Aug 21 04:05:55 yay Aug 21 04:05:56 * Tibfib remembered Aug 21 04:06:27 * haeffb goes to see what Tibfib tweeted Aug 21 04:06:32 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 21 04:06:33 twas a dm Aug 21 04:06:35 sorry Aug 21 04:06:41 Dangit Aug 21 04:06:52 I wish I could send webosroundup a copy of nomnomnom to review it Aug 21 04:07:23 Need an e-mail addy for them? Aug 21 04:07:39 no Aug 21 04:07:42 they made mosaic Aug 21 04:07:47 no way they are going to review it favorably Aug 21 04:07:56 I HATE WEBOSBUZZ Aug 21 04:08:11 buzzbuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz Aug 21 04:08:34 making apps + reviewing apps does not mix. Aug 21 04:08:48 k there's a sack with my name on it Aug 21 04:08:58 hmmm Aug 21 04:09:00 later peeps Aug 21 04:09:10 cya man Aug 21 04:09:16 I threatened to sue webOSbuzz Aug 21 04:09:24 why haven't you? Aug 21 04:11:00 Why havent I sued them? Aug 21 04:11:18 yes Aug 21 04:11:28 I don't do legal stuff Aug 21 04:11:32 That's what Noah's for Aug 21 04:11:36 And he's in france Aug 21 04:12:32 darn french Aug 21 04:12:42 Haha, he's not french Aug 21 04:12:48 He's just in france until like Monday Aug 21 04:12:59 I like noah Aug 21 04:13:03 haven't talked to him in a while Aug 21 04:13:26 He does everything I hate Aug 21 04:13:29 Like promotion Aug 21 04:13:42 nice Aug 21 04:13:48 And legal Aug 21 04:13:57 I'll tell him to check out webOSbuzz when he gets back Aug 21 04:14:45 hey, look, just bought NomNomNom Aug 21 04:15:06 I dunno whether to slap you for taking this long or thank you Aug 21 04:15:19 * Tibfib slaps haeffb around a bit with a large trout Aug 21 04:15:21 I bought NomNomNom for Read It Later support. Aug 21 04:15:23 thanks! Aug 21 04:15:32 DougReeder: and you don't have it :( Aug 21 04:15:42 yet. Aug 21 04:15:46 update should go out next week Aug 21 04:15:47 I trust you'll do as you promised. Aug 21 04:15:48 been submitted Aug 21 04:15:48 mmmm, read it later Aug 21 04:16:08 then another update will be submitted once this one gets approved Aug 21 04:16:09 RIL clients on TP suck. :) Aug 21 04:16:13 hahaha Aug 21 04:16:35 * haeffb deletes NomNomNom and writes a nasty review Aug 21 04:16:41 Read It Later is great -- I put all the articles there that I think I ought to read, so I can feel good about not actually reading them. :-) Aug 21 04:16:42 except not in that order Aug 21 04:17:10 DougReeder: you can also do the same in Instapaper / Paper Mache - and read them offline. :) Aug 21 04:17:13 haeffb: your life will be shallow without nomnomnom Aug 21 04:17:45 well more shallow than it already is Aug 21 04:17:48 or not read the offline. :) Aug 21 04:17:50 If I can read them offline, that eliminates one excuse for not reading them -- not good. :-) Aug 21 04:17:55 heh Aug 21 04:17:58 hahaha Aug 21 04:18:22 so what does "Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [BrowserContextMenu], file:///usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/0.10/framework/build/enyo-build.js:219" mean? Aug 21 04:18:28 it means "you forgot a single comma" Aug 21 04:18:40 love javascript sometimes Aug 21 04:19:15 add the debug property to your enyo javascript tag to get real line numbers. Aug 21 04:19:22 WHATT? Aug 21 04:19:31 I'm writing a patch in the emulator with vi :) Aug 21 04:19:39 DougReeder: /"enyo.js?debug=true" Aug 21 04:19:40 ? Aug 21 04:19:48 would have caught this with syntax highlighting in emacs Aug 21 04:19:54 enyo.debug =true ? Aug 21 04:20:04 Um, let me look it up. Aug 21 04:20:11 that would be awesome Aug 21 04:20:38 rwatkins-mbp: js2-mode i presume then Aug 21 04:20:47 DraX: indeed Aug 21 04:20:51 i don't think espresso-mode would have caught that Aug 21 04:21:00 you know what's gonna suck. All these people new to webOS are gonna love it. And it's still gonna stay dead. :( Aug 21 04:21:35 so HP is just pissing off even greater numbers. Aug 21 04:21:49 Aug 21 04:21:50 js2-mode was a huge life saver when i used to actually wirte js Aug 21 04:22:01 maybe they'll realize there is a world outside the apple walled garden and even if webos is dead the population might realize how evil apple is. Aug 21 04:22:03 i wish there was something like it for c++ Aug 21 04:22:04 maybe. Aug 21 04:22:07 DougReeder: odd Aug 21 04:22:09 awesome though Aug 21 04:22:29 Aug 21 04:22:42 oh okay Aug 21 04:22:47 that makes a lot more sense Aug 21 04:23:02 thought enyo did some crazy stuff to view after its defining Aug 21 04:23:23 g'night everyone. Aug 21 04:23:41 sleept tight. I'll mostl likely kill you in the morning. Aug 21 04:23:47 Then errors will show as line numbers in the source files, instead of enyo-build.js Aug 21 04:23:54 wonderful Aug 21 04:23:58 you rock Aug 21 04:23:58 ... but of course Enyo will run slower. Aug 21 04:24:03 that's fine Aug 21 04:24:12 it'll be in my chrome testing html file anyway Aug 21 04:24:27 ya did that once with enyo loading from a remote website ... "gee why does this take a minute to load now .." Aug 21 04:25:56 That helped me write compound services. But I later shifted to JavaScript services. Aug 21 04:30:23 who makes touchdroid Aug 21 04:31:10 would be sweet to get the android running on the touchpad Aug 21 04:31:38 not really. Aug 21 04:31:45 Not at all Aug 21 04:31:45 kesne: trsohmers Aug 21 04:31:55 trsohmers: COME OUT! Aug 21 04:31:55 it has apps and tons of support. why not? Aug 21 04:32:11 because it is ugly. Aug 21 04:32:14 ^ Aug 21 04:32:51 THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH! Aug 21 04:33:15 conversation OWNED Aug 21 04:33:45 ConversatiOWNED? Aug 21 04:34:08 i used a galaxy tab for two weeks. didn't think it was ugly. Aug 21 04:34:10 Shadyman: I salute you, sir Aug 21 04:34:18 * Shadyman is about to rock Aug 21 04:34:18 actually worked really smooth Aug 21 04:35:32 smooth !== beautiful Aug 21 04:35:44 there are also people that think KDE is smooth Aug 21 04:35:47 are any android 3.0 tablets 4x3? Aug 21 04:36:15 What Aug 21 04:36:24 I was called? Aug 21 04:36:35 kesne was wondering who was working on touchdroid Aug 21 04:36:41 That tis I Aug 21 04:36:41 rwatkins: I doubt it. I think they are 16:9 or some odd widescreen ratio Aug 21 04:36:43 i think they displays for android tablets are all 16:9 Aug 21 04:36:45 trsohmers: planning on dual boot? Aug 21 04:36:52 In the future, yea Aug 21 04:36:58 sweet, I'll give it a go then Aug 21 04:36:59 First release will probably not be dual boot Aug 21 04:37:33 I would take ugly with function over beautiful and few functions Aug 21 04:37:42 enyo will likely run faster though, having a better webkit under android. Aug 21 04:37:48 lol Aug 21 04:37:55 that's sad Aug 21 04:38:02 I'll boot up android so I can run nomnomnom faster Aug 21 04:38:26 as it is there are very few things I can actually do on the touch pad Aug 21 04:38:34 Deihmos: why did you even buy one? Aug 21 04:38:37 why are you here? Aug 21 04:38:47 because it was $100 Aug 21 04:38:52 great Aug 21 04:39:00 stop whining, thanks. Aug 21 04:39:08 ^ Aug 21 04:39:24 also hoping that someone gets android running on it Aug 21 04:39:29 like buying a MBP and then wiping it and installing Win7. Aug 21 04:39:36 great, that conversation is for #touchdroid Aug 21 04:39:51 and doesn't require complaining to go forth. Aug 21 04:42:48 i'd rather see webOS on iDevice than android on hp device Aug 21 04:42:54 that'd be slick Aug 21 04:46:17 what if the video site needs new version of flash player Aug 21 04:46:29 how does the touchpad compensate for that? Aug 21 04:47:51 linuxuz3r: it doesn't Aug 21 04:47:56 err Aug 21 04:48:00 I don't know anything Aug 21 04:49:16 it feels like the TouchPad homebrew scene is gonna get a whole lot more interesting Aug 21 04:49:58 it's like we took the quickest dirtiest way to get to the best solution of our small user base problem Aug 21 04:50:46 anyone with the nomnomnom beta, new version uploaded Aug 21 04:51:19 github? Aug 21 04:51:21 what is nomnomnom? Aug 21 04:51:28 not cat pictures, yes? Aug 21 04:51:33 hehe Aug 21 04:51:35 oh no Aug 21 04:51:35 no Aug 21 04:51:39 lol Aug 21 04:51:43 just a funny name for a newsreader Aug 21 04:51:44 * Tibfib needs to make short link Aug 21 04:51:52 ah. Aug 21 04:51:59 makes me think of cute overload. Aug 21 04:52:04 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.app.nomnomnom Aug 21 04:52:54 and here I was thinking NNTP. Aug 21 04:52:59 maybe I'm just old. Aug 21 04:54:11 nntp. um. ya. Aug 21 04:54:44 nn for TouchPad. Aug 21 04:55:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nn_(newsreader) Aug 21 04:55:58 didn't manage to find one today. no touchpad in my future I'm thinking. Did look, though :) Aug 21 04:56:19 I love this idea - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2907850 Aug 21 04:56:40 raiding best buy tomorrow morning Aug 21 04:57:10 in canada? Aug 21 04:57:34 Tibfib: Your app's name makes me hungry every time I see it... :P Aug 21 04:58:01 dkirker: I heard a rumor that featuring it in the catalog makes that go away Aug 21 04:58:02 akanster... love the skunkworks idea Aug 21 04:58:14 Tibfib: hehe Aug 21 04:58:15 LOL Aug 21 04:58:20 it deserves it Aug 21 04:58:35 just a rumor though Aug 21 04:59:56 IGNTNUNLMTD you think best buy will be selling them? I called my local one today and they said they'd boxed them all up to ship back to HP. Aug 21 05:00:22 we'll see Aug 21 05:00:28 no harm in trying Aug 21 05:00:56 I still love the irony of this whole ordeal, though Aug 21 05:01:42 the death will be the beginning of something great Aug 21 05:02:03 agreed entirely Aug 21 05:02:25 350,000 new users can't be wrong Aug 21 05:03:17 holy crap Aug 21 05:03:19 it's midnight Aug 21 05:03:19 woops Aug 21 05:03:26 yep Aug 21 05:03:29 hehe Aug 21 05:03:36 would be awesome if they had 500k pre 3s already in production to liquidate also Aug 21 05:03:39 I haven't even done anything Aug 21 05:03:44 roue: Haha liars Aug 21 05:03:46 silly best buy Aug 21 05:04:04 Shadyman I'd go pick one up for $150 if they'd sell it to me. Aug 21 05:04:06 like HP is going to take'em back. Aug 21 05:04:18 They'll be shipping the *demos* back to HP because they're demo stock, not owned by the store Aug 21 05:04:31 I figured the ones people were buying from HP online last night were probably the ones coming back from brick and mortal stores. Aug 21 05:04:33 Twilight: New Spoon #typofilms Aug 21 05:04:35 besides that, I think you're getting trolled. Aug 21 05:04:47 roue: Nah Aug 21 05:05:09 where was that article about best buy's guidelines for the selloff? Aug 21 05:05:14 was bestbuy.com/BB USA Aug 21 05:05:41 Shadyman so you think they are selling them? Aug 21 05:05:48 might be worth the drive over to find out. Aug 21 05:06:23 absolutely Aug 21 05:06:24 roue: Yeah. I think they're just trying to save'em all for themselves :p Aug 21 05:06:42 okay, now I'm beginning to think you're delusional :P Aug 21 05:06:50 Heh. Aug 21 05:06:55 I worked in a retail store today. Aug 21 05:07:04 http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Points-Policies-Reward/HP-TouchPad-FAQs/m-p/315434/thread-id/3887 Aug 21 05:07:14 this week: big fundraiser for webOS internals I'm thinking about doing Aug 21 05:07:18 Best Buy stores will be selling their remaining inventory of the HP TouchPad at the discounted clearance pricing effective immediately.  BestBuy.com may have limited inventory available for purchase. Aug 21 05:07:24 but for now, bed time Aug 21 05:08:35 roue: That's for BestBuy USA. best buy canada is selling them too. Aug 21 05:09:03 roue: It may just be that the message hadn't trickled down to the GM of that store. It was pretty chaotic yesterday. Aug 21 05:09:07 how do i update flashplayer of my touchpad Aug 21 05:09:18 oh god Aug 21 05:09:22 did stop by a walmart and they were all sold out. Aug 21 05:10:09 linuxuz3r: you don't Aug 21 05:10:45 the one thing I'm really not looking forward to is whiners Aug 21 05:10:58 IGNTNUNLMTD: Don't scroll up, then. Aug 21 05:11:02 :-\ Aug 21 05:11:14 Shadyman: why? Aug 21 05:11:17 * Tibfib wishes he had ops privileges Aug 21 05:11:22 I would be a ruthless whiner kicker Aug 21 05:11:37 IGNTNUNLMTD: There be dragons. Aug 21 05:11:43 I'm on wIRC, so I can't anyway Aug 21 05:12:03 OR MAYBE I DO HAVE OPS Aug 21 05:12:04 what happened? Aug 21 05:12:19 Tibfib is drunk with power! Aug 21 05:12:28 lol Aug 21 05:12:30 * Tibfib kicks akanster Aug 21 05:12:35 mwuahahahaha Aug 21 05:12:50 lol it kicked the wrong person :-p Aug 21 05:12:55 lol Aug 21 05:12:59 still getting used to it Aug 21 05:13:04 bahahah Aug 21 05:13:20 alright, REALLY gotta go to bed now Aug 21 05:13:23 bye guys Aug 21 05:13:26 http://twitter.com/#!/TheMarco/statuses/104968844174565376 - umm, sure Aug 21 05:13:27 bye bye Aug 21 05:21:44 just got too many card error with 3 web pages open. brings back memories Aug 21 05:23:57 lol Aug 21 05:24:00 something's nomming memory there Aug 21 05:24:05 akanster: annoying evangelists thinking they're being clever Aug 21 05:24:56 LOL BB Aug 21 05:25:03 because the Playbook is just kicking such epic ass Aug 21 05:25:06 facepalm Aug 21 05:25:07 lol Aug 21 05:25:40 When your local best buy has a number of playbooks that are being returned for their 4th or 5th time.. Aug 21 05:25:54 * Shadyman has his trollface on Aug 21 05:26:52 So yeah.. I bought my 2 touchpads today. I was Bi-Winning. Aug 21 05:27:22 rwhitby really retweeted this? http://twitter.com/#!/shawnpau/status/105112608553697280 Aug 21 05:27:23 lol Aug 21 05:33:55 Hmmm. No MSN on the Messaging app? Hmm. Aug 21 05:34:11 can you get gmail on touchpad? Aug 21 05:34:20 Yes Aug 21 05:34:23 and Google docs Aug 21 05:34:30 and all that good stuff Aug 21 05:34:37 pdfs? Aug 21 05:34:46 adobe reader Aug 21 05:34:49 yeah Aug 21 05:34:52 cool Aug 21 05:35:04 gmail on the touchpad is not actually useable if you expect it ot work like gmail Aug 21 05:35:22 really Aug 21 05:35:34 i mean it doesn't really do labels, doing archive is a PITA Aug 21 05:35:40 it's an IMAP client being used with gmail Aug 21 05:35:54 gmail does exchange Aug 21 05:38:20 okiez thanks Aug 21 05:40:59 I need a TouchPad!!!!!!! Aug 21 05:41:11 (for myself) Aug 21 05:41:24 hi everybody Aug 21 05:42:12 oooopsy Aug 21 05:42:19 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?p=41815736#post41815736 the wiki linked to webosbuzz for information Aug 21 05:42:21 REALLY? Aug 21 05:42:24 a warez site? Aug 21 05:42:27 * Tibfib edited Aug 21 05:45:06 stupid Telcel... grrrr Aug 21 05:46:39 grrr... Aug 21 05:46:48 soooo, I think my touchpad order just went through Aug 21 05:46:49 maybe Aug 21 05:47:12 yep went through Aug 21 05:47:22 we'll see if it gets accepted and shipped Aug 21 05:47:36 where did you order from? Aug 21 05:47:47 hp.com Aug 21 05:47:59 it says out of stock when I go there Aug 21 05:48:06 how did you order? Aug 21 05:48:17 added to cart a few hours ago Aug 21 05:48:28 where? Aug 21 05:48:38 hp.com. Aug 21 05:48:47 which one? Aug 21 05:49:06 32 Aug 21 05:49:26 ah! are they on stock again? Aug 21 05:49:51 read ^^^ Aug 21 05:50:27 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 will try :) Aug 21 05:51:01 brb.. changing network Aug 21 05:51:42 hmmm Aug 21 05:51:55 * Tibfib considers updating wiki to have a link to nomnomnom under the apps section Aug 21 06:02:14 friggin employees at BestBuy in 3 stores bought the touchpads Aug 21 06:05:34 haha I added a touchpad to my cart on hp small business and when I clicked checkout it says out of memory Aug 21 06:05:56 been getting that all day Aug 21 06:06:15 who the hell builds a corporate website with VBScript? Aug 21 06:06:19 I'm trying to call bestbuy to see if there's any in stock Aug 21 06:06:27 uncola, forget it Aug 21 06:06:29 so far I was on hold 15 minutes, it rang 4 times then no one picked up Aug 21 06:06:35 the employees bought them all up Aug 21 06:06:47 I just hit 2 Bestbuy stores Aug 21 06:07:07 both of them said that in 15 minutes from the announcement this afternoon that the employees bought them all Aug 21 06:10:23 :| Aug 21 06:15:30 I waited to get through on the phone again.. rang 4 times and no one answered Aug 21 06:15:35 god fuck best buy Aug 21 06:15:55 maybe they'll get more in stock on monday on hp.com Aug 21 06:16:24 Who can help me get a touchpad?? :( Aug 21 06:19:06 If I lived in the States I should already had emptied all the stores, but I'm in Mexico ... Aug 21 06:47:41 NuttyBunny: try tepito Aug 21 06:48:06 I rawr Aug 21 06:48:09 *rawk Aug 21 06:49:24 scottj, not funny. I don't have 500dlls for one, I could afford a 149 one, but IF they manage to buy some, they would sell them for double the price Aug 21 06:53:40 NuttyBunny: either way, they're sold out Aug 21 06:57:49 tacos cost 5 times as much here, touchpads cost 5x there Aug 21 07:07:23 how do i update flash player on my touchpad? Aug 21 07:08:55 linuxuz3r: You already asked that. The answer will be the same. "You don't." Aug 21 07:09:07 ;) Aug 21 07:10:09 linuxuz3r: Do you have webos version 3.0.2? Aug 21 07:49:50 why does the topic Aug 21 07:49:56 link to a book that uses the older sdk Aug 21 07:51:12 and whats the difference between sdk and pdk? what's a 'plugin' in webos? :x Aug 21 07:53:24 haeffb: there's gonna be a backlash when all these folks who didn't research their purchase realise it doesn't do what they hope it would. Aug 21 07:53:51 doubt it Aug 21 07:54:00 seems a lot of ppl are like 'meh' but its worth 99$ to play around Aug 21 07:54:12 its worth $99 to play movies on and browse the web Aug 21 07:55:59 plov: I assume you've already read all the info at developer.palm.com ? Aug 21 07:56:32 hm how to bring up the touchpad keyboard in kalemsoft player to set account info? Aug 21 07:57:18 'And webOS now features node.js, so we've added even more horsepower than before. ' Aug 21 07:57:24 node.js behind the scenes? Aug 21 07:58:05 i'm looking at it now rwhitby Aug 21 07:58:28 but there's no crash course into webos development history and all that Aug 21 08:01:27 should it be filled with impostah? Aug 21 08:09:52 Robi_: should what be filled? Aug 21 08:36:18 plov: heh.. That part of the title is a bit of history now. I believe that I set it close to 2 years ago. :) Aug 21 08:39:49 I want a firesale in Germany by tomorrow! Aug 21 08:43:23 biggest trouble will come from the average consumers who paid full price for the TP when hp made it promises Aug 21 08:43:47 at least they have opportunity to return it for the most part Aug 21 08:46:03 Jack87, they'll get refunded Aug 21 09:02:52 any webos developers here? Aug 21 09:04:07 mmm Aug 21 09:04:29 do any of the big IDEs provide a gui builder? Aug 21 09:04:45 ares? Aug 21 09:05:00 plov, yes, there's Ares Aug 21 09:05:02 not coded much yet... eh, probaly only ares. Aug 21 09:05:10 Enyo is too new Aug 21 09:05:39 but imho easy to code by hand. Aug 21 09:06:07 why does me running palm-generate give me an index.html file that references mojo.js ? Aug 21 09:06:25 just really disorganized sdk? Aug 21 09:06:45 not yet updated tool? Aug 21 09:07:06 just copy one of the sample apps. Aug 21 09:14:49 * gokr hoping to catch firesale tomorrow in Edinburgh... Aug 21 09:26:53 samsung promises something new Aug 21 09:27:25 onr, did they? Aug 21 09:27:35 are you referring to the PC rumor? Aug 21 09:28:16 phoque_uni: not yet Aug 21 09:29:14 didnt you just say they promised? Aug 21 09:33:13 phoque_uni: http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/20/samsung-promises-big-announcement-on-september-1st-video/ Aug 21 09:34:28 ah, I see Aug 21 09:38:49 onr, it says "download Unpacked app for Android" Aug 21 09:39:13 would seem like a weird move to make Android-users download a promo-app for webOS Aug 21 09:46:55 yeah, don't think its webOS. Aug 21 09:50:08 In fact, if sammy or htc get involved the products may still be labelled and sold as HP. Aug 21 09:51:03 gokr, interesting thought Aug 21 09:51:26 but not very professional to make it sound like "uhm, nothing... dunno what we'll do" first Aug 21 09:51:41 and then come out and say "But, there will be HP-labelled devices by X" Aug 21 09:51:51 you'll scare away all the devs Aug 21 09:52:07 Because they may not want to dillude their Android position. Aug 21 09:52:21 Yeah, it would make from HTCs standpoint Aug 21 09:52:24 but not from HPs Aug 21 09:52:34 they couldve kept shut and wait until the new hardware arrives Aug 21 09:52:49 then go "oh btw, we moved out of that. Its actually HTC" Aug 21 09:53:20 yeah, but that can be attributed to stupidity. Aug 21 09:53:34 exactly Aug 21 09:53:35 :-) Aug 21 09:54:40 Firesale may be Dewitt trying to buy time before they can announce new hw. Aug 21 09:55:17 trying to keep devs and get a user base Aug 21 09:58:53 He probably realized that Leo just shot webOS in the major aorta and gave a blood infusion (firesale) so that the rescue chopper (htc?) can make it in time... Aug 21 09:59:12 I drove to best buy Aug 21 09:59:28 they said the manager didn't get the ok to sell them for the sale price yet Aug 21 09:59:31 so they can't sell them Aug 21 09:59:40 I should have printed out the announcement from the bestbuy forums Aug 21 10:03:26 that's it I give up Aug 21 10:03:31 I'm definitely not driving back there at 8am Aug 21 10:25:49 where would logging be outputted using enyo ? Aug 21 10:26:25 palm-log Aug 21 10:27:50 what should my device be if i'm using a webkit browser to test? Aug 21 10:28:17 because its saying i have 0 Aug 21 10:28:53 oh, in that case Aug 21 10:29:00 the regular webkit devtools console Aug 21 10:29:18 Ctrl-Shift-J? Aug 21 10:31:53 if i use the emulator for developing, is it as nice as using webkit browser? like it'll auto-update on code changes Aug 21 10:32:04 no, it wont Aug 21 10:32:14 you'll have to palm-package && palm-install Aug 21 10:32:27 I have a Makefile for that though Aug 21 10:32:36 it'll repackage, reinstall and restart the app Aug 21 10:33:01 what editor/ide are you using? Aug 21 10:33:04 for UI I definitely recommend using a browser Aug 21 10:33:10 because i'm using vim and the brackets are giving me a headache lol Aug 21 10:33:14 Gedit, Git, the shell and the emulator Aug 21 10:34:03 and chromium of course Aug 21 10:52:42 bestbuy.com is selling online! Aug 21 10:52:46 go get em! Aug 21 10:53:40 sold out ;) Aug 21 10:53:58 nope Aug 21 10:54:01 it just went live.. Aug 21 10:54:52 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=5940999317801293822&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=hp+touchpad&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960 Aug 21 10:55:44 weird that my order is being processed :] Aug 21 10:56:13 uhhh so glad i finally got one now i can finally not care anymore Aug 21 10:56:44 oh weird Aug 21 10:56:53 the search shows sold out but not hte product pages Aug 21 10:56:58 still available when viewing the detail product ;) Aug 21 10:57:16 but this does not help me as I live in France :/ Aug 21 10:57:25 it helps me lol Aug 21 10:57:41 huhu Aug 21 10:57:51 the 16GB i bought from bestbuy is only $20 less than the 32GB one from HP with the coupon.. i hope i get the 32GB one Aug 21 10:58:35 let's see how fast bestbuy.com sells out Aug 21 10:58:56 i'd say there should be time... since it's so early Aug 21 10:59:09 probably ~100 posts on slickdeals saying they bought them already Aug 21 10:59:14 well I have to find a way to buy it anyway Aug 21 10:59:34 i'm tempted to buy more Aug 21 10:59:46 is it 1 per household? or 1 per person? Aug 21 11:00:00 1 per sku per person but you could probably do orders on different accounts Aug 21 11:00:25 ok great, because that'll be silly if they did 1 per household Aug 21 11:02:30 hope we will have theses discount here soon too :) Aug 21 11:04:05 lonequid: how many did you buy? Aug 21 11:04:19 just a 16GB Aug 21 11:04:28 have a 32GB with HP and a 32GB with officedepot Aug 21 11:04:52 im assuming the bestbuy order will go through, so i'll probably return the OD one and if i get the $130 32GB from HP i'll sell the 16GB Aug 21 11:05:05 family? Aug 21 11:05:13 hp is selling at 130? Aug 21 11:05:27 Bmyers: bestbuy.com is selling them right now btw Aug 21 11:05:31 yeah family/friends will probably want one Aug 21 11:05:38 Bmyers I used a coupon @ HP Aug 21 11:05:40 cant find a bb one Aug 21 11:05:48 it's on their site Aug 21 11:06:58 $8.99 for shipping, goodness bestbuy, what the heck :P Aug 21 11:07:15 thanks for linking, I ordered one :P Aug 21 11:07:35 what coupon? Aug 21 11:08:47 bb is giving unavailable at every store. "ship to store " option Aug 21 11:09:57 Bmyers: yes, that didn't work for me either. I had to have it shipped to me. Aug 21 11:10:28 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Misc/Entertainment-Free-Shipping/pcmcat221900050000.c?id=pcmcat221900050000 this lnk gives free shipping Aug 21 11:10:37 lonequid: damn it! :( Aug 21 11:10:44 You're 5 minutes too late :P Aug 21 11:10:46 i know i didnt use it either :| Aug 21 11:11:09 how does that work? Aug 21 11:11:40 i cancelled mine + reodered with free shipping, i hope i didnt screw myself Aug 21 11:12:12 how does that link give free shipping? Aug 21 11:12:17 i don't see tablets on there Aug 21 11:12:26 just click any of the categories then go to the tablet Aug 21 11:12:39 blegh the 2nd order is showing up as $0.00 on the status screen Aug 21 11:12:43 i might have just screwed the bestbuy one Aug 21 11:13:29 doesn't show up as free after i click a category, maybe i need to clear cookies Aug 21 11:13:39 yeah i had to use a new browser Aug 21 11:13:48 is it working? Aug 21 11:14:05 like the whole checkout process since you mentioned 0.00$? Aug 21 11:14:18 i was able to check out fine, but now when i view the order status there's no item Aug 21 11:14:24 my confirmation email showed the tablet Aug 21 11:14:43 maybe it took it out because i already had ordered one :\ Aug 21 11:14:51 same account? Aug 21 11:14:57 yeah Aug 21 11:15:15 ah, i ordered 3 seperately Aug 21 11:15:35 i dont want to re-do 3 orders.. but that IS 27$... Aug 21 11:15:42 in shipping... tot he same address.. lol Aug 21 11:15:48 plov> 3 ? ;) one for me ? :) Aug 21 11:16:30 loic_m: if only, 1 for me, gf, and i know someone from my family will want 1 Aug 21 11:17:08 est. ship date is starting to grow Aug 21 11:17:14 looks like they may be selling out soon Aug 21 11:17:50 or maybe not, well can't get the free shipping to work Aug 21 11:18:03 i'm using the shipping calculator at the cart, not checking out, that's what you did? Aug 21 11:18:09 only shows at checkout Aug 21 11:18:19 ah Aug 21 11:20:16 you seen that staples price for 50$? Aug 21 11:20:28 imagine staples goes live for 50$ -_- Aug 21 11:25:36 whaaat Aug 21 11:26:09 9$ shipping is pretty steep though i wonder whats the deal with that Aug 21 11:26:16 yeah, i was upset about that Aug 21 11:26:18 super upset. Aug 21 11:26:22 but i ate it. Aug 21 11:27:15 technically that free shipping thing isn't suppose to apply to the touchpad Aug 21 11:27:20 so who knows what bestbuy will do Aug 21 11:57:48 NOOO Aug 21 11:57:59 went to cancel and re-order my stuff Aug 21 11:58:07 my 3rd one cancelled and went to re-order and it sold out Aug 21 11:58:15 :< Aug 21 11:58:40 32gb is still there Aug 21 11:59:28 32gb is weak Aug 21 11:59:35 50$ for 16gb Aug 21 11:59:40 oh well i know for sure i got 1 Aug 21 11:59:44 possibly 2 Aug 21 12:01:38 I got a touchpad from Best Buy also. :-) It'll remind me of my old Pre. :) Aug 21 12:02:29 got free shipping also. Aug 21 12:02:40 but had to pay tax... Aug 21 12:03:12 NYS sales tax is over 8%, so I paid as much in tax as some of you did in shipping. Aug 21 12:03:26 most people paid tax Aug 21 12:03:31 bestbuy is a national restore Aug 21 12:03:33 store* Aug 21 12:03:35 ny sux Aug 21 12:03:38 k Aug 21 12:03:38 EdLin: same :( Aug 21 12:04:11 after this deal blackfriday is probably going to seem lame Aug 21 12:04:52 yeah, what a wild sale. Aug 21 12:05:06 after a mere 7 weeks on the market. Aug 21 12:06:00 in 7 weeks hp did overtake ipad2 so they pulled out and zipped up.. Aug 21 12:06:07 didn't ^^ Aug 21 12:06:22 doesn't make sense to me Aug 21 12:06:51 HP wanted to be Apple, they had Apple-envy. When that didn't happen, they quit both tablets and PCs. Weird. Aug 21 12:07:32 it's sort of like Hardees quitting because they didn't sell as much as the Big Mac. Aug 21 12:07:40 EdLin: a lot of corporations wanna be like apple Aug 21 12:08:46 wait, hp quit their pc business? Aug 21 12:08:47 Tommy especially Apple's ballance sheet. ;-) Aug 21 12:09:03 plov they're looking for a buyer for the entire Personal Systems division, yes. Aug 21 12:09:44 HP is going to be in the enterprise software and consulting business from now on, they pulled an IBM. Aug 21 12:10:12 except IBM wasn't #1 in PC sales, and HP is. Aug 21 12:10:19 i think hp is still gonna do servers Aug 21 12:10:30 maybe. IBM still does servers. Aug 21 12:10:38 or mainframes... Aug 21 12:10:56 EdLin: wtf when did they announce they'd stop making PC's Aug 21 12:11:10 Tommy after they find a buyer, not before. Aug 21 12:11:22 EdLin: so this hasn't happened yet Aug 21 12:11:24 and you're speculating? Aug 21 12:11:47 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/110818xb.html Aug 21 12:11:51 not speculation at all Aug 21 12:12:49 so they're considering Aug 21 12:12:55 and evaluating Aug 21 12:13:06 the conference call was more specific. Aug 21 12:13:11 they're looking for a buyer. Aug 21 12:13:57 if nobody offers them a fair price, I guess not, but I suspect someone in the Far East probably will. Aug 21 12:14:04 hm Aug 21 12:14:06 lenovo Aug 21 12:14:22 hi rod Aug 21 12:14:44 rwhitby-tp hey, you guys are going to keep supporting webos, eh? :-) Aug 21 12:15:03 EdLin: what's that nintendo DS game where you can draw your weapons/vehicles/etc Aug 21 12:15:15 Tommy I don't know, never had a DS. Aug 21 12:15:24 me neither Aug 21 12:15:40 never even seen one except maybe once at a doctor's office. Aug 21 12:16:06 and I didn't want to ask the kid if I could take a look at it. ;-) Aug 21 12:16:07 me neither Aug 21 12:16:27 i've only played this game on an emulator Aug 21 12:16:41 there's a DS emulator? Aug 21 12:17:33 how is your app download stats? Aug 21 12:17:38 any boost? Aug 21 12:18:19 onr got to wait till the fire-sale tablets come into service. :) Aug 21 12:23:46 i still want to clear my mind and start building an opengl game Aug 21 12:27:45 NuttyBunny_TP: do you still need help? Aug 21 12:34:37 well one of 2 orders with microcenter went through it seems :( Aug 21 12:35:28 audiofx I got my best-buy online order just in time, they're out of the 16GB model now. Aug 21 12:37:45 if u use the free shipping link, are you still seeing an estimated date to receive? Aug 21 12:39:32 guys when is the sale in the UK going down for the touchpad, anyone aware? Aug 21 12:39:51 Tommy: scribblenauts Aug 21 12:42:03 Bmyers it says it'll ship in 0-1 days. Aug 21 12:42:14 Bmyers I assume 0 is inaccurate, as today is Sunday. Aug 21 12:42:52 the estimated date is towards the end of the week, but if they ship that fast, they're being conservative. Aug 21 12:43:20 32 gb says sold out online @ BB Aug 21 12:43:48 yeah, 16gb sold out earlier. I got one less than an hour before slickdeals said it was sold out again. Aug 21 12:44:06 it pays sometimes to be an insomniac. Aug 21 12:44:15 isn't the app catalog online? it used to be, right? I can't find it from my laptop... Aug 21 12:44:26 * haeffb ordered 2 x 32gp from hp.com Aug 21 12:44:28 EdLin: yes, but I did miss the context for your statement ;) Aug 21 12:44:28 guys where can UK bros buy the touchpad? Aug 21 12:44:32 'temporarily' sold out? Aug 21 12:44:40 free shipping but $20.68 tax Aug 21 12:44:41 that would imply it's not discontinued Aug 21 12:44:45 * jtrucks just got two from best buy Aug 21 12:44:57 https://twitter.com/#!/BrynaAtHP/status/105024150829142016 Aug 21 12:45:02 shades it's discontinued, HP will have another sale when they get the returns in. Aug 21 12:45:16 best buy just launched their sale this morning. Aug 21 12:45:20 not sure if they have any left. Aug 21 12:45:29 $spouse and I each got one. Aug 21 12:45:51 anyone know if you can use hte same palm profile with the touchpad as I used with the pre and have everything sync up? Aug 21 12:45:53 that tweet looks like they may keep making and selling these Aug 21 12:45:55 at this price Aug 21 12:45:57 $spouse is a good description, as they do cost a bit of $. ;-) Aug 21 12:46:05 aha Aug 21 12:46:08 er hahaha Aug 21 12:46:22 its like a dream. people buying touchpads like crazy \o/ Aug 21 12:47:05 onr not really, it still will sell well under the threshold needed to have a good ecosystem. Still, it is nice. Aug 21 12:47:08 hp had to be cheaper than ipad in the first place Aug 21 12:47:11 the only thing more expensive than a wedding is a divorce Aug 21 12:47:12 they would have sold Aug 21 12:47:33 i for one will never need to get a 'spouses approval' to buy what i want Aug 21 12:47:59 what's the best site for viewing the entire apps available to webos? Aug 21 12:48:04 klausa: thank you muchly, absolutely the one Aug 21 12:48:17 I'd like to be married, don't do like I did and wait till you're in your 40s to find out you don't like being alone so much after all. Aug 21 12:48:37 plov: www.precentral.net Aug 21 12:48:40 Tommy: One of the best games I ever played. Aug 21 12:48:45 Abosultely wonderful. Aug 21 12:48:49 bleh, thats sites down Aug 21 12:49:09 Surely novelty wears off after some time, but it's absolutely amazing. Aug 21 12:50:02 plov: probably because high load Aug 21 12:50:28 everyone who bought their Touchpads wants to check out precentral at once. ;-) Aug 21 12:50:47 damnit klausa every time I see your name I keep thinking of Kalsu Aug 21 12:51:04 which is a place you don't want to be Aug 21 12:51:06 precentral is hosed Aug 21 12:51:15 :P Aug 21 12:51:24 it's a great site, though, when it's up Aug 21 12:51:38 jtrucks sort of like twitter. ;-) Aug 21 12:51:43 btw, it seems it have a shitty setup Aug 21 12:51:53 EdLin: hahaha Aug 21 12:52:04 nginx version 0.7.67 for app catalog, 0.8.54 for homepage Aug 21 12:52:21 shades: Yeah, sorry, that's my name, not much I can do about it :) Aug 21 12:52:28 they could be in the process of upgrading, btu that could take a fair amoutn of develpment Aug 21 12:52:49 IS it worth buying at $99, you think an andorid port will be available sometime soon? Aug 21 12:53:07 since nginx is still up, they should just add another PHP servers Aug 21 12:53:24 nF{: someone has already seen android on them in the wild. Aug 21 12:53:40 nF{: it's decent hardware for that price, and webOS isn't a dead platform (for a couple years at least) Aug 21 12:53:52 if you have the usual basic tablet/remote-computing needs, it's a fine machine for it. Aug 21 12:54:04 in the UK they are still $600 Aug 21 12:54:14 wonder if theyll drop to 99$ here also Aug 21 12:54:22 or if i can order from USA->UK Aug 21 12:54:22 onr: actually just not all their servers have the same version of nginx Aug 21 12:54:30 nF{: no clue Aug 21 12:54:33 jtrucks: um, where has someone seen android on a touchpad? Aug 21 12:55:04 jtrucks: they put 0.8.54 in front of 0.7.67 Aug 21 12:55:15 nF{: an android port will take 1000's of volunteer person-hours. Aug 21 12:55:53 rwhitby is the hardware similar to that of any Android devices? Aug 21 12:56:08 not that I am aware of Aug 21 12:56:20 rwhitby: my $spouse read me a couple lines from an article on it.. I'll see if I can find it. Aug 21 12:56:32 it's not that far off from most tablets these days. Aug 21 12:56:33 it would be cool if android was eventually available on touchpad,, well only if i can ge one for 99$ :> Aug 21 12:56:34 jtrucks: please do, cause I run webos-internals and I have not heard of it Aug 21 12:56:38 jtrucks: both versions are outdated. and nginx chain for loadbalancing isnt a good idea Aug 21 12:56:38 hi Rod. How's downunder? Aug 21 12:56:52 my HTC HD2 (a winmo phone) runs Android great, but that's because HTC churns out zillions of devices with near-identical hardware regardless of OS. Aug 21 12:56:58 klausa: i love it but dont have a ds, i'm telling this girl to buy it Aug 21 12:57:07 unreal. hp touchpad commercial on tv right now Aug 21 12:57:19 cnn Aug 21 12:57:21 lol Aug 21 12:57:23 starting at 399 Aug 21 12:57:56 rwhitby: if I find what she read, I'll post it. Aug 21 12:59:24 Bmyers: i wish i was in the states to get one for $99 Aug 21 12:59:49 jtrucks: there was a partial port to a Pre- which got lucky with kernel drivers. Aug 21 13:00:44 i want webOS Aug 21 13:02:22 rwhitby: it's possible she mis-read the article.. I'll see if I can get the link from her. Aug 21 13:02:25 what kind of apps you want to stick webos on your TPs? Aug 21 13:02:37 Tommy: you hate webOS don't you? Aug 21 13:02:46 preware :) Aug 21 13:03:12 rwhitby: never ever said that Aug 21 13:04:21 * NuttyBunny_TP wakes up Aug 21 13:04:27 hi everyone Aug 21 13:04:39 EdLin: micro robbed me on shipping $20 Aug 21 13:04:46 plus tax Aug 21 13:04:46 so i may try and cancel in the am Aug 21 13:04:54 it appears my local staples has low stock left Aug 21 13:04:58 32gb only Aug 21 13:05:12 but id rather get a 32gb at $149 + tax then a 16 at $120 +tx Aug 21 13:05:24 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html Aug 21 13:05:27 audiofx: withdraw a credit and buy them all Aug 21 13:05:29 thats hps notification site Aug 21 13:05:42 apparently they are getting more inventory, I know people shipped them back Aug 21 13:05:56 onr: i really only want 2 Aug 21 13:05:56 I wonder if they are still producing them Aug 21 13:06:11 hoping my BB order goes thru. says in process Aug 21 13:06:33 soon ebay and craigslist prices will drop to 99 and 150 also Aug 21 13:08:03 developers, best resource for learning besides palm's developer site? book, video, blog, whatever? Aug 21 13:08:22 using enyo framework Aug 21 13:08:36 for the touchpad palm's site is best, because no books that I know of were published on enyo. Aug 21 13:08:44 dont forget to sign up at HP for news of more devices Aug 21 13:08:45 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html Aug 21 13:09:02 CTLAdvance|2 stop spamming it, we know already. Aug 21 13:09:30 ok just making sure, trying to help people get their touchpad on... Aug 21 13:09:51 CTLAdvance|2 unlike the sales, that site will be up for a while. Aug 21 13:10:58 someone should tinyurl it and put it in the /topic Aug 21 13:11:59 what does CTLAdvance|2 spam? Aug 21 13:12:12 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html Aug 21 13:12:14 this link Aug 21 13:12:15 :) Aug 21 13:12:24 testname he posted that link three times on one screenful. ;-) Aug 21 13:12:25 I apparently only posted it once prior Aug 21 13:12:30 twice Aug 21 13:12:41 :) Aug 21 13:13:07 thank you for this information Aug 21 13:13:23 Edlin, would like to stay focused on his never ending commitment of WebOS and not to helping people get touchpads, I guess he is one of those that bulk ordered devices Aug 21 13:13:25 ;-) Aug 21 13:14:00 I only ordered one from Best Buy. :) Aug 21 13:14:08 I couldnt even get that Aug 21 13:14:13 audiofx: these are going so fast, I'd just take the $20 shipping and live iwth it Aug 21 13:14:17 Now I may be stuck with my loaner Aug 21 13:14:21 I could have ordered a whole bunch, and ebayed them, but I'm a nice guy. Aug 21 13:14:22 So, who's gonna help me to get a TouchPad today? Aug 21 13:14:45 you guys are about 1 hour too late Aug 21 13:14:58 the bestbuy window was up for like 1.5 hours Aug 21 13:14:59 this is awesome Aug 21 13:15:00 http://albany.craigslist.org/ele/2557398076.html Aug 21 13:15:24 CTLAdvance|2: u in NY somewhere? Aug 21 13:15:24 Bmyers: I just talked to BB about my order... 'in process' means it's queued up for CC and inventory check. once that clears, the order is good and you get a ship date Aug 21 13:15:31 I am in NY somewhere Aug 21 13:15:34 U? Aug 21 13:15:39 somewhere Aug 21 13:15:42 Bmyers ny sucks, right? Aug 21 13:15:46 Hey all. Aug 21 13:15:49 NY blows Aug 21 13:15:55 it does Aug 21 13:15:56 i wonder how bestbuy's system handles all those cancelled orders Aug 21 13:16:23 They delete rows in a table? Aug 21 13:16:25 whether it counts that as 1 less or item, if not, how quickly does it react to restoring it Aug 21 13:16:27 i still have :Order Status: 1 item(s) - Order in process of being fulfilled; Usually ships in 0 - 1 days. Aug 21 13:16:30 CTLAdvance|2: I moved from BGM area last dec Aug 21 13:16:39 Ah Aug 21 13:17:06 CTLAdvance|2: im in ny too, tax everywhere :/ Aug 21 13:17:10 BGM? Aug 21 13:17:14 wow HPs site crawling Aug 21 13:17:16 plov: what do you mean the window is closed? Aug 21 13:17:29 it's sold out Aug 21 13:17:31 Baby seal genital mutilation? Aug 21 13:17:58 bestbuy.com was selling them online for about 1.5hrs~ an hour ago Aug 21 13:17:58 my order was completed online about 1.5 hours ago. Aug 21 13:18:12 plov: they were sold out yesterday Aug 21 13:18:19 but i checked just now and its not saying sol dout any more Aug 21 13:18:25 puff Aug 21 13:18:26 Still waiting for the UK firesale to start tomorrow Aug 21 13:18:26 where Aug 21 13:18:27 PuffTheMagic: best buy wasn't selling them at all eysterday Aug 21 13:18:40 puff, its sold out now Aug 21 13:18:56 jtrucks: you do the free shipping thing? Aug 21 13:18:59 EdLin: airport code for Binghamton Aug 21 13:19:10 jtrucks ah, close. Aug 21 13:19:11 Bmyers: no, I just took whatever the standard was Aug 21 13:19:20 in germany you have to sell 400€ for 16GB touchpad Aug 21 13:19:22 u got a ship date? Aug 21 13:19:37 Bmyers: relax, it's sunday, there's no way they're shipping today Aug 21 13:19:40 to spend 400€ ... Aug 21 13:19:43 best buy still shows sold out Aug 21 13:20:02 well, i got one on order. it could get cancelled tho Aug 21 13:20:30 I have an order with HP Aug 21 13:20:35 sorry, i mean to pay : / Aug 21 13:20:50 plov: HP cant really be all out, sales were terrible Aug 21 13:20:50 I called and they told me there was a problem with it and they were out of inventory Aug 21 13:20:52 I don't have a ship date yet, so it could still cancel Aug 21 13:20:58 what's this #touchdroid I hear about? Aug 21 13:21:10 thats what your mom did last night Aug 21 13:21:14 PuffTheMagic: but HP likely has tons coming to them. Aug 21 13:21:29 that too Aug 21 13:21:45 they may still even be producing these as of now Aug 21 13:21:48 yeah, probably around 250,000 from Bestbuy.. Aug 21 13:21:49 hey Aug 21 13:21:53 hey siestacat Aug 21 13:21:55 to burn through resources for them Aug 21 13:22:01 on my new touchpad! Aug 21 13:22:17 cool! Aug 21 13:22:28 PatrickC did you hear anything about the cost of our loaners Aug 21 13:22:36 if they have adjusted the price or what> Aug 21 13:22:38 ? Aug 21 13:22:41 or made them frww Aug 21 13:22:43 free Aug 21 13:22:43 im going to our local BB in 45 min to see of they have any in stock Aug 21 13:22:55 CTLAdvance|2: nothing yet.. Aug 21 13:22:55 PatrickC: http://www.fzservers.com/touchdroid/index.php?title=Main_Page is what #touchdroid is Aug 21 13:22:57 not likely Aug 21 13:23:02 I'll make sure to let yall know Aug 21 13:23:05 BB is limiting to 1 per customer Aug 21 13:23:15 our BB don't open for 1:40 Aug 21 13:23:23 same here Aug 21 13:23:25 11AM Aug 21 13:23:29 yup Aug 21 13:24:29 eww Aug 21 13:24:33 since when it is 11 on sunday Aug 21 13:24:39 jtrucks: what *is* touchdroid? Aug 21 13:25:04 PatrickC: don't know. I just looked at the /topic for that channel and got that URL. I think it is for making an Android port for TouchPads Aug 21 13:25:16 that's just a guess. Aug 21 13:25:27 what channel? Aug 21 13:25:47 #touchdroid, the one you mentioned above Aug 21 13:26:06 it didn't let me join before.. odd. Aug 21 13:26:18 oh, i hadn't tried joining... Aug 21 13:26:19 :P Aug 21 13:27:04 well, time to obbessively click refresh on my order status :P Aug 21 13:27:24 can I dualboot android and webos? Aug 21 13:27:41 I keep being mention to a download Aug 21 13:28:11 jtrucks: save me some refreshing and let me know how it goes Aug 21 13:28:31 i cant really comprehend how they are sold out everywhere Aug 21 13:28:36 PuffTheMagic: Do you go to albany one, its always been 11AM except durring the holiday season Aug 21 13:28:37 :/ Aug 21 13:28:39 the price was right Aug 21 13:28:58 CTLAdvance|2: im in buffalo atm Aug 21 13:29:03 ah ok Aug 21 13:29:06 in hudson valley, sold out everywhere fast Aug 21 13:29:11 I was gonna say, we could have a developer meetup :) Aug 21 13:29:17 yes it did Aug 21 13:29:21 went to my local radioshack and it was 500 Aug 21 13:29:26 that was at 3 pm Aug 21 13:29:34 this has only been out 7 weeks?! Aug 21 13:29:40 i called back at 8 pm and the lowered the price and sold out. Aug 21 13:30:14 yesterday called walmart at noon. said they had 4 but at 500 Aug 21 13:30:18 if u live in the boonies on NY you might try there Aug 21 13:30:27 I will probably end up paying cost for my loaner touchpad as I know it was new, and I cant seem to find stock when I am around Aug 21 13:30:28 :) Aug 21 13:30:37 I drove out a hit later and they had just changed the price Aug 21 13:30:50 bit* Aug 21 13:30:56 I was thinking to try north, but I cant justify spending another 50 bucks for fuel Aug 21 13:30:58 i got my orig TP at BB, so i can get money back :D Aug 21 13:31:04 so dad and I each bought one Aug 21 13:31:22 we have a prius, so drove half way across state Aug 21 13:31:42 lol yeah, I have thought about picking up a hybrid to offset my truck Aug 21 13:31:49 3X my fuel milage Aug 21 13:31:56 lol Aug 21 13:32:02 they're nice Aug 21 13:32:13 i cant access my damn cart on HPs site Aug 21 13:32:13 spend $30k to save 10k in gas? Aug 21 13:32:13 craiglist filled up with a page worth of these here in nyc lol Aug 21 13:32:14 wtf Aug 21 13:32:15 we get 54 Aug 21 13:32:18 I was actually looking at the Ford Fusion Hybrid Aug 21 13:32:26 ew Aug 21 13:32:29 they get around the same mileage Aug 21 13:32:46 Bmyers Bought ours for 9000 Aug 21 13:32:51 actually I believe they get the same now, prius epa ratings are down die to new polution controls Aug 21 13:32:55 PuffTheMagic: same here, stuck on "loading cart" Aug 21 13:33:04 thats bull though Aug 21 13:33:05 older Prius got better mileage Aug 21 13:33:08 epa a Aug 21 13:33:09 now they get less... Aug 21 13:33:14 epa says 45 Aug 21 13:33:15 look into the sonata hybrid Aug 21 13:33:21 mine gets 54 Aug 21 13:33:23 they are changing their site every 5 min Aug 21 13:33:31 The original one I had a while ago got 55 Aug 21 13:33:42 ford backwards is driver returns on foot Aug 21 13:33:45 the 2011's get less Aug 21 13:33:55 2010s get a bit more Aug 21 13:33:58 I never have issues with ford Aug 21 13:34:10 rwhitby: A positive aspect of webOS being declared dead is that now folks like Tommy and Deihmos will jump aboard Aug 21 13:34:15 Chrysler and GM Aug 21 13:34:15 2nd gen get 50 or more Aug 21 13:34:16 ... Aug 21 13:34:29 1st gen? Aug 21 13:34:31 haeffb: that's positive how? Aug 21 13:34:40 or 2nd? Aug 21 13:34:42 lol Aug 21 13:34:43 haeffb: ummm i liked webOS for a while... still prefer android Aug 21 13:34:43 Aug 21 13:34:43 morn'n haeffb Aug 21 13:34:49 hey bmy Aug 21 13:34:51 ers Aug 21 13:34:56 morn Aug 21 13:34:57 n Aug 21 13:35:02 u get one? Aug 21 13:35:02 already got coffee, no hookers around. Aug 21 13:35:13 already have two. Aug 21 13:35:14 dang, should have tried u earilier Aug 21 13:35:20 ordered two more Aug 21 13:35:27 what 4? Aug 21 13:35:37 u have a 6 room house or something? Aug 21 13:35:38 got some friends who'd like to have one Aug 21 13:35:41 shopping cart empty? wtf??? Aug 21 13:35:51 best buy? Aug 21 13:35:55 plov: http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery is up now Aug 21 13:36:06 and may have to ship one to NuttyBunny_TP if he can't figure out the details of odering stuff online. Aug 21 13:36:06 Does someone know what the webos-internals team position are and what the want to do after HP latest news? Aug 21 13:36:11 hp.com Aug 21 13:36:18 ah Aug 21 13:36:23 testname: see the other channel for your response Aug 21 13:36:23 trying my luck at BB Aug 21 13:36:36 hey is 3.0 sdk still under NDA? Aug 21 13:36:42 no Aug 21 13:37:01 but the other one still is Aug 21 13:37:05 i wouldnt think so.. just kidding.. Aug 21 13:37:51 touchdroid would be cool. hope that pans out Aug 21 13:37:58 omg Aug 21 13:38:00 haeffb: I select it, click ok checkout, goes to a loading cart page and then it opens another page, "your cart is empty" :-( Aug 21 13:38:01 http://www.precentral.net/outline-tracker Aug 21 13:38:13 $19 and 3000+ sales Aug 21 13:38:14 where at NuttyBunny_TP ? Aug 21 13:38:51 hp smb site Aug 21 13:39:20 hp.com Aug 21 13:39:46 haeffb: u devel anything in enyo yet? Aug 21 13:39:47 "new lower price" Aug 21 13:39:52 pondNotes Aug 21 13:39:58 Tibfib_: ping Aug 21 13:40:08 http://smallpondapps.com Aug 21 13:40:11 anyone know where i can grab a touchpad online Aug 21 13:40:12 like ur other notes one? Aug 21 13:40:17 haeffb: yep, hp.com  Aug 21 13:40:18 yep Aug 21 13:40:20 i'm not in the US :( Aug 21 13:40:33 hp.com has them on sale for $99? Aug 21 13:40:49 Bmyers: yea, like the other one, but on a bigger screen :) Aug 21 13:40:59 right.. Aug 21 13:41:02 no, they have the 32gb for $149 Aug 21 13:41:09 how where sales of it? Aug 21 13:41:10 16gb is sold out Aug 21 13:41:12 out of stock... Aug 21 13:41:17 hmm Aug 21 13:41:21 haeffb: link? Aug 21 13:41:27 only came up with the 16gb and its out of stock Aug 21 13:41:38 http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/WW-USSMBPublicStore-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse;pgid=YuxQvTx08xFSR0Q30eEcYwq500006BVQSJpg;sid=mbYe42M9QIgY4y0MbNzXd7oyS7gmknqn7MA=?CatalogCategoryID=dMgQ7habWagAAAEveclKiY4n&jumpid=in_WW-USSMBPublicStore-Site%3Acmp_20110209_185916%3ABanner.pagelet-main%3Acmp_20110209_190133 Aug 21 13:41:56 out of stock as well Aug 21 13:42:14 32GB shows in stock for me Aug 21 13:42:30 yep it still lets me add to cart Aug 21 13:42:33 why is the touchstone still $80? Aug 21 13:42:42 like seriously Aug 21 13:42:51 twbbas: patience Aug 21 13:42:52 but when u go to checkout it says page not found Aug 21 13:43:13 oops Aug 21 13:43:16 twbbas: They're already losing money like crazy on touchpads. Aug 21 13:43:18 it worked an hour ago Aug 21 13:43:25 haeffb: can't view cart and checkout Aug 21 13:43:36 yeah, it says out of stock when you go to the item page Aug 21 13:43:38 Accesories are probably the only way for them to make profit on those. Aug 21 13:43:43 whats a good cheap touchpad case? Aug 21 13:43:45 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?product_code=FB359UA%23ABA&template_type=product_detail&jumpid=ex_r11614_us/en/HHO_r329/Affiliate/FY11/TouchPad&aoid=35252 Aug 21 13:43:51 * haeffb sees great things ahead for HP in the enterprise software space Aug 21 13:44:02 haeffb: :) Aug 21 13:44:12 haeffb: and scaleable server architecture Aug 21 13:44:12 I need something like the ipad portfolio case Aug 21 13:44:20 ideas? Aug 21 13:44:20 siestacat: HP case is nice Aug 21 13:44:31 twbbas its $40 Aug 21 13:44:33 HP case is nice. not cheap, but nice Aug 21 13:45:00 there are some cheap imitation-leather slide-in cases on amazon, but not as nice Aug 21 13:45:13 or you could get that book case Aug 21 13:45:14 ++ HP case Aug 21 13:45:16 most iPad cases should work Aug 21 13:45:17 * twbbas goes find link Aug 21 13:45:33 http://www.etsy.com/listing/76771924/hp-touchpad-case-cover-made-from-a-real Aug 21 13:45:35 goddammit where can i get a touchpad :\ Aug 21 13:45:48 Tommy: you cannot. it's karma. Aug 21 13:46:26 will a touchstone work with touchpad? Aug 21 13:46:27 damn Leo. you didnt have to kill Palm to have this "tablet effect"... Aug 21 13:46:44 Bmyers: The TouchPad TouchStone will Aug 21 13:46:48 so excited I got 2 touchpads Aug 21 13:46:55 Bmyers: no. not enough watts or amps or something like that Aug 21 13:47:01 oh. Aug 21 13:47:10 Damn! Only US credit card... I'm screwed.. help? :-( Aug 21 13:47:13 There's a touchstand for the tpad Aug 21 13:47:33 NuttyBunny_TP: i made it tot he order page, i had 3 my cart :D Aug 21 13:47:39 lets see if i can get any farther Aug 21 13:48:01 best TP apps? Aug 21 13:48:04 PuffTheMagic: their servers are a bit sloooowwww today :) Aug 21 13:48:09 siestacat: pondNotes ! Aug 21 13:48:10 cant make it past to the checkout page on hp Aug 21 13:48:11 just a little Aug 21 13:48:23 siestacat: wIRC Aug 21 13:48:25 get it now, before I raise the price Aug 21 13:48:30 wIRC Aug 21 13:48:30 I'm on wirc Aug 21 13:48:33 lovemit Aug 21 13:48:38 PuffTheMagic: I got to the billing page, but I can't go any further, it is just for US cards... Aug 21 13:48:44 duno who pondnotes is Aug 21 13:48:46 accuweather is awesome Aug 21 13:48:47 not a prob for me Aug 21 13:48:57 i was on the shipping page Aug 21 13:49:01 what else? Aug 21 13:49:02 and now i can get past that Aug 21 13:49:11 siestacat: pondNotes is a note-taking app Aug 21 13:49:22 ok Aug 21 13:49:24 you can use tide for notes too ;D Aug 21 13:49:29 solitaire is good Aug 21 13:49:30 what else? Aug 21 13:49:32 PuffTheMagic: so you'll get an email saying "sorry we're sold out of your order" Aug 21 13:49:37 it says sold out on the product page Aug 21 13:49:38 epicurious Aug 21 13:49:40 HP TouchPad is trending again on twitter lol Aug 21 13:49:41 kindle Aug 21 13:49:52 Tommy: dont be hating Aug 21 13:50:02 k Aug 21 13:50:03 have both Aug 21 13:50:08 lemme know when you have it Aug 21 13:50:08 I dont read Aug 21 13:50:29 anything else? Aug 21 13:50:29 you should learn how. It's beneficial. Aug 21 13:50:47 spazHD Aug 21 13:50:58 which is Aug 21 13:51:00 ? Aug 21 13:51:03 twitter Aug 21 13:51:10 You'll use NuttyPad in a few days for your notes, believe me Aug 21 13:51:29 I will NOT! Aug 21 13:51:39 NuttyPad, with the taste of real hazelnuts Aug 21 13:52:12 hmmm... *takes note* :-) Aug 21 13:52:30 rwhitby link for touchpad linphone? Aug 21 13:52:46 http://bit.ly/linphone-0-1-8-pre Aug 21 13:52:52 NuttyBunny_TP: Where's NuttyCam? :p Aug 21 13:52:56 trying to get it to work with whistle Aug 21 13:53:12 is it fullscreen? Aug 21 13:53:36 Tommy: what's with the hating attitude all the time? Aug 21 13:54:14 NuttyBunny_TP: i don't know you Aug 21 13:54:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkt6N1WJTdY <- awesome videa Aug 21 13:54:28 twbbas: Nuttycam is in almost finished, I added some stuff to make it different :-) Aug 21 13:54:33 jtrucks: any updates? Aug 21 13:55:24 Tommy: I don't know uou either, but I often see you here bashing webOS and promoting your android stuff and in general making everuone uncomfortable around Aug 21 13:55:58 NuttyBunny_TP: it's a gift Aug 21 13:56:20 NuttyBunny_TP: when did i promote android Aug 21 13:56:45 heh, Tommy forgets the channel is logged Aug 21 13:57:13 rwhitby: you're being a dick again, i meant when tonight have i promoted android Aug 21 13:57:18 yeah, it's a good thing I don't hve the time to go back in the logs to look around :-) Aug 21 13:57:30 i haven't said anything worth commenting on tonight yet you decide to comment on my attitude Aug 21 13:57:30 bash-3.2$ grep Tommy * | grep android | wc -l Aug 21 13:57:31 199 Aug 21 13:57:47 lol Aug 21 13:57:49 :-) Aug 21 13:57:53 rwhitby: k, i've said it twice in the last 3 lines Aug 21 13:58:13 NuttyBunny_TP: saved you the effort ;) Aug 21 13:58:18 don't be bitter webOS died with an all time high of like 0.7% marketshare Aug 21 13:58:22 haeffb: \0/ Aug 21 13:58:51 you're so proud of the work you've done for a failed market, sad times i know :\ Aug 21 13:59:10 Tommy: see, it's a gift you have :) Aug 21 13:59:44 got touchpadnyea Aug 21 13:59:47 just don't talk to me, kthx Aug 21 13:59:51 Bmyers: got one? Aug 21 13:59:54 rolsworth: from where? :o Aug 21 14:00:07 run android On touchpad? Aug 21 14:00:13 no, hp site is broken Aug 21 14:00:13 bjs Aug 21 14:00:33 haeffb: or did u mean coffee or hookers or something? Aug 21 14:00:35 I bought it hoping android runs on it Aug 21 14:00:44 boy is webOS laggy Aug 21 14:00:46 and running ubuntu on wenos? Aug 21 14:00:52 on tp Aug 21 14:00:58 really interested Aug 21 14:01:14 all in prewaee or what? Aug 21 14:01:42 hp cart checkout: The page cannot be found Aug 21 14:02:28 why is that the attitude? "I just got a cheap hp tablet with some OS on it, let's put robot-os on it" Really people, on this channel? on #webOS??? Aug 21 14:02:50 NuttyBunny_TP: we knew it would happen, saw it coming :( Aug 21 14:03:31 NuttyBunny_TP: yeah, #touchdroid is the channel for that Aug 21 14:03:37 rrix: well, then they should go to another channel, not here. Aug 21 14:03:43 rwhitby: uh oh, siestacat said the a-word, sick 'em boy Aug 21 14:03:45 rwhitby: that! :-) Aug 21 14:03:49 * PatrickC is running Preware as a Glimpse widget :) Aug 21 14:03:58 NuttyBunny_TP: Clearly, but all the new people don't know that, unfortunately Aug 21 14:04:04 Tommy how about ubuntu? Aug 21 14:04:26 idk, i'm running that now Aug 21 14:04:28 * rrix wonders why, in the screen he has available right now, Tommy is acting like such a raging arsehole Aug 21 14:04:46 * rwhitby prefered Tommy when he was TommyBres Aug 21 14:05:12 I am excited to have a webos tablet :) Aug 21 14:05:20 * jtrucks does a happydance Aug 21 14:05:33 rwhitby: why Aug 21 14:05:36 I am too :) Aug 21 14:06:03 rwhitby: you went all the way back in the log to find when i once changed nicks, why would you care what my name is Aug 21 14:06:15 only reason I had to switch from the Pre for a phone is requirement for some apps for work :( Aug 21 14:06:15 I'l go with my Tanooki Mario T-shirt today, it may give me good luck with a tp ;-) Aug 21 14:06:22 rolsworth: if you just activated it, it's going to be laggy. Aug 21 14:06:39 wait till everything is synced and you update to 3.0.2 Aug 21 14:06:57 I activated it since yesterday and updated it. Its still laggy Aug 21 14:06:57 jtrucks: I'll work on whatsapp if you're interested Aug 21 14:07:16 Good Technologies... commercial app :( Aug 21 14:07:27 i think i got myself a megabuddy Aug 21 14:07:27 sometimes I'm typing nd nothing happening or touch doesn't respond then responds after a delay Aug 21 14:07:31 citrix would be nice, though... I haven't had time to check the app catalog yet though Aug 21 14:08:07 jtrucks: I'll find the way to reverse engineer their stuff, I need it for my phones. I won't switch Aug 21 14:08:32 you need to get an activation code from the server manager for it to work. Aug 21 14:08:33 jtrucks: got a confirmation ? Aug 21 14:08:39 Bmyers: not yet Aug 21 14:08:43 just checked. Aug 21 14:08:47 I think I'll be checking for hours :P Aug 21 14:08:59 does it say the order cant be cancelled? Aug 21 14:09:42 no, but there's no way to cancel it either. Aug 21 14:09:54 I don't have a BB account, so it's just the order tracking Aug 21 14:10:10 o. Aug 21 14:11:39 wish that 50 appcredit Aug 21 14:14:17 not good advertising for hp servers either: Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a03e9' Aug 21 14:14:30 night everyone Aug 21 14:14:34 good luck getting them tablets Aug 21 14:15:13 Bmyers: try reloading thenpage, I got that a couple of times Aug 21 14:15:40 good link for ubuntu tut? Aug 21 14:18:05 ubuntu.com ? :-) Aug 21 14:19:22 I mean on TP bunny Aug 21 14:20:26 siestacat: what did your search for Ubuntu on the wiki turn up? Aug 21 14:20:44 siestacat: I know, I'm just in a good mood. Use the webos internals wiki one Aug 21 14:20:45 ? Aug 21 14:20:54 * haeffb can't login to HP.com to view my order status. Aug 21 14:21:00 I'll ho look Aug 21 14:21:02 go Aug 21 14:21:20 siestacat: good plan. Aug 21 14:22:02 one more thing Aug 21 14:22:17 cant update to 3.02 on tp Aug 21 14:22:25 error every time Aug 21 14:22:56 siestacat: webos doctor? Aug 21 14:23:19 guess so bunny Aug 21 14:23:45 Did /. not 'report' on any of the recent happenings? Aug 21 14:24:01 rrix: does /. still exist? Aug 21 14:24:26 Unfortunately Aug 21 14:24:27 rwhitby: apparently people still read it every day. Aug 21 14:24:36 Some people even still read it as a news site, rather than farce Aug 21 14:24:40 astounding Aug 21 14:25:03 Sometimes I have a hatred for humanity that can only be solved by reading /. comments Aug 21 14:25:44 rrix: solved or caused? Aug 21 14:26:09 rwhitby: Reminds myself that there are so many idiots in the world makes me feel better about my current situation, usually Aug 21 14:26:18 oh really? Aug 21 14:26:21 I feel the opposite Aug 21 14:26:26 reddit's r/minecraft and r/politics has the same effect on me Aug 21 14:26:28 I hate humanity after reading comments. Aug 21 14:26:32 Tibfib_! Aug 21 14:26:38 twbbas! Aug 21 14:26:39 minecraft on webos Aug 21 14:26:42 I found another bug, Tibfib_ Aug 21 14:26:44 needs to happan Aug 21 14:26:51 slick Aug 21 14:26:57 siestacat: tell Notch, I'm sure he's up for it :P Aug 21 14:27:01 siestacat: nobody has claimed the bounty yet Aug 21 14:27:16 Tibfib_: When I hit the send icon, none of the menu items do anything Aug 21 14:27:17 hmmm... I didn't know enyo-wirc didn't support /msg yet :-( Aug 21 14:27:28 oh Aug 21 14:27:32 where can I find notch rwhitby? Aug 21 14:27:42 Actually, we have an xserver Aug 21 14:27:48 * rwhitby checks his pockets Aug 21 14:27:51 twbbas: umm works here? Aug 21 14:27:52 I wonder how pitifully it will perform Aug 21 14:27:53 nope, not there. Aug 21 14:28:02 i Aug 21 14:28:09 oh I see Aug 21 14:28:11 rwhitby Aug 21 14:28:11 lemme try emu Aug 21 14:28:12 Tibfib_: I'll see if I can get logs Aug 21 14:28:16 does sun JVM have arm builds? Aug 21 14:28:18 rrix: there's some asm bits that need cross compiling Aug 21 14:28:20 oh ok, good. You reproduced it? Aug 21 14:28:37 STOP PRESSING REFRESH TO I CAN ORDER! Aug 21 14:28:40 rwhitby: in MC or in Java? Aug 21 14:28:44 rrix: MC Aug 21 14:28:48 oic Aug 21 14:28:52 twbbas: I think so Aug 21 14:29:10 rrix: there's a gift code up for grabs for the first working demo that I see Aug 21 14:29:19 twbbas: actually no Aug 21 14:29:21 Tibfib_: cannot call method "ajax" of undefined: spazcore-urls line 215 Aug 21 14:29:25 Tibfib_: that's for hitting spaz Aug 21 14:29:34 rwhitby cant find anything on the web Os internals wiki Aug 21 14:29:36 * rrix goes to shower and make coffee Aug 21 14:29:38 oh it's everything Aug 21 14:29:47 Tibfib_: That error happens on all the menu items Aug 21 14:30:01 hmmmm odd Aug 21 14:30:13 brb, going mojo Aug 21 14:30:17 Tibfib_: share with reader works Aug 21 14:30:27 spazcore-shorturls is the file Aug 21 14:30:30 not spazcore-urls Aug 21 14:30:42 siestacat: about notch or ubuntu? Aug 21 14:30:51 twbbas: see that works fine here Aug 21 14:30:52 :/ Aug 21 14:30:53 Tibfib_: so it only gives that error on the share with spaz, share with sms, share with email Aug 21 14:30:54 ubuntu Aug 21 14:30:57 o.O apparently my roommate had a party last night. Aug 21 14:30:58 Tibfib_: want full logs? Aug 21 14:31:00 How'd I miss that Aug 21 14:31:06 those are the only 3 that shorten the urls Aug 21 14:31:10 and I dunno where to find notch eithed Aug 21 14:31:17 siestacat: use the google custom search box Aug 21 14:31:51 twbbas: yeah full logs could be helpful Aug 21 14:31:55 also try rebooting your device Aug 21 14:32:24 Aaand we're back.. Aug 21 14:32:37 rwhitby so make an extra partition install a bit and I'm good? Aug 21 14:33:17 rrix: did u wake-up in make-up or what? Aug 21 14:33:44 oh, damn. Totally shoulda done that to Bmyers in NYC Aug 21 14:33:58 lol Aug 21 14:33:59 i wasnt that drunk.. Aug 21 14:34:18 ok, i prolly was that drunk.. Aug 21 14:34:19 Tibfib_: Is there a way to email logs in lumberjack? Aug 21 14:34:27 ASK OIL Aug 21 14:34:32 try the app menu Aug 21 14:34:36 did Aug 21 14:34:43 DANGIT OIL Aug 21 14:34:46 try it harder? Aug 21 14:34:47 HOW HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME? Aug 21 14:34:55 haeffb: I tried harder. Nope Aug 21 14:35:04 Tibfib_: "HOW HAST THOU..." Aug 21 14:35:08 Yeah, I don't see any type of send option in lumberjack Aug 21 14:35:13 Tibfib_: What's the best way to send logs? Aug 21 14:35:15 twbbas: try mojo Aug 21 14:35:19 well you can copy them Aug 21 14:35:21 I'm using the mojo version >.> Aug 21 14:35:22 and them paste them Aug 21 14:35:26 oh I can? Aug 21 14:35:28 it is totally in the app menu Aug 21 14:35:32 in mojo Aug 21 14:35:33 where Aug 21 14:35:40 I dunno, tapp all the options Aug 21 14:35:43 it is under one of them Aug 21 14:35:47 haeffb: woopsy Aug 21 14:36:07 still don't see it lol Aug 21 14:36:27 try more hardlier Aug 21 14:36:30 * rwhitby notes the do-log-email command in the menu Aug 21 14:36:36 YEAH THAT Aug 21 14:36:49 I bothered OIL for months to add that Aug 21 14:36:51 huh Aug 21 14:37:05 "Clear log file" and "help" Aug 21 14:37:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkt6N1WJTdY - wow, this is incredible Aug 21 14:37:18 twbbas: get the latest version... ? Aug 21 14:37:23 The latest one in preware Aug 21 14:37:26 I'll double check Aug 21 14:37:31 Log --> Email Aug 21 14:37:32 line 405 of http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/lumberjack/tree/app/assistants/tail-log-assistant.js Aug 21 14:37:55 woah Aug 21 14:38:02 akanster: it is pretty good, isn't it. Aug 21 14:38:04 ubuntu looks way over complicted Aug 21 14:38:40 rwhitby: yeah. kerris tweeted it too Aug 21 14:38:54 rwhitby: I have the latest version (0.4.2) in the public preware feeds. Is 0.5 (the one with more app menu options) in the testing feeds? Aug 21 14:39:24 err 4.5 Aug 21 14:39:32 akanster: that was awesome Aug 21 14:39:37 Any way I can run metadoctor without ubuntu? Aug 21 14:39:45 I mean on computer Aug 21 14:40:04 "I would fight a ninja for a Pre 2" Aug 21 14:40:06 Tibfib_: I'll just get the logs on my computer Aug 21 14:40:13 tap the top one Aug 21 14:40:14 select copy Aug 21 14:40:21 tap the bottom one, select to here Aug 21 14:40:27 then paste in an email Aug 21 14:41:09 siestacat: you can use macos Aug 21 14:41:53 Tibfib_: What's your email? Aug 21 14:41:59 (I need to add you to my list sometime) Aug 21 14:42:01 lol Aug 21 14:42:03 NuttyBunny ? Aug 21 14:42:21 <\DSAFEW\> hello webOS developers, I was wondering a few things about these webOS devices, is it fairly simple to remotely access and administrate to and from them? Does the OS have a clear services interface/runlevels? Aug 21 14:42:57 you definitely want a touchpad Aug 21 14:43:07 Tibfib_: tibfib1@gmail.com? I also have a tibfib94@gmail.com Aug 21 14:43:12 wow, thanks Aug 21 14:43:15 <\DSAFEW\> is it difficult to install homebrew software? Aug 21 14:43:15 either works. Aug 21 14:43:32 tibfib1798@gmail.com ? Aug 21 14:43:41 siestacat: allowed operating systems for creating metadoctor: macos, or linux. You can run the created jar file in windows if you like Aug 21 14:43:48 rwhitby: can you strike that from the logs? Aug 21 14:44:06 too late, I've already pasted it on the interwebs. Aug 21 14:44:11 OH NOES Aug 21 14:44:57 I was looking for wirc for touchpad but cannot find it in the catalog Aug 21 14:45:06 I hate mac Aug 21 14:45:06 sold my pre 2 to get a TP Aug 21 14:45:16 I cant make it with windows? Aug 21 14:45:20 rolsworth: blame oil Aug 21 14:45:30 really, seriously, this time. Aug 21 14:45:35 lol Aug 21 14:45:58 siestacat: you don't want to do that. it's known to throw errors in the filesystem Aug 21 14:45:59 could someone make me the jar file so I can make it on windows? Aug 21 14:46:20 siestacat: That would be illegal Aug 21 14:46:35 rolsworth: there isnt a TP version in the catalog for wirc yet Aug 21 14:46:36 twbbas ? Aug 21 14:47:06 Doctors contain HP's property and are illegal to redistribute Aug 21 14:47:07 whats wrong with that? Aug 21 14:47:21 ... Aug 21 14:47:29 metadoctor is illegal then Aug 21 14:47:32 no. Aug 21 14:47:33 It is legal Aug 21 14:47:38 Since you're not redistributing it Aug 21 14:47:42 I have shared doctor files before Aug 21 14:47:50 All the changing of code is going on in your computer alone Aug 21 14:47:50 well you shouldn't have. Aug 21 14:48:08 Tibfib: logs sent Aug 21 14:48:10 and we're going to tell your mother Aug 21 14:48:10 oh Aug 21 14:48:15 lol Aug 21 14:48:20 just in famkly Aug 21 14:48:27 not with other people Aug 21 14:48:31 but... Aug 21 14:48:41 so I need to install ubuntu.... Aug 21 14:48:52 opensuse? Aug 21 14:48:58 already got that Aug 21 14:49:15 that should work Aug 21 14:49:38 I think you need java, zip, make Aug 21 14:50:06 my network adapter doesnt work in it thouh Aug 21 14:50:16 so I guess this will work Aug 21 14:50:24 wish there was an easier way Aug 21 14:50:38 I dont like sure much Aug 21 14:50:42 suse* Aug 21 14:51:32 I had to use ethernet cord when I ran ubuntu for the meta-doctor Aug 21 14:51:34 My wireless didn't work Aug 21 14:52:07 I looked for the drivers but they didn't work or something. I only needed to use it to create a meta-doctor so it wasn't that big of a deal Aug 21 14:53:20 whats the tar command to zip up an app... ? Aug 21 14:53:45 Man, it'd be really cool if HP gave devs the opportunity to buy developer TouchPads. I don't care if they are cheaper than stores or not but just that they set some aside for devs. Aug 21 14:54:23 twbbas: some sort of developer-only-no-suffering site? Yeah, I wish that as well Aug 21 14:54:26 twbbas: we'll see how serious they are about continuing webOS. Aug 21 14:54:39 haeffb: They seem to be serious Aug 21 14:54:57 they will have to take major steps to retain developers with no clear path forward Aug 21 14:54:59 Didn't Kerris say they are investing more in Enyo now that they don't have to spend money on hardware? Aug 21 14:55:23 I think HP said within 2 weeks we'll know where webOS is headed Aug 21 14:55:41 we'll know where they want us to believe it's headed Aug 21 14:55:46 I think tomorrow we might have a decent idea Aug 21 14:55:48 might. Aug 21 14:55:52 I bet Samsung will pick it up. But then that'll be like at least a year until they come out with the first device :\ Aug 21 14:56:14 <\DSAFEW\> what's some good backup software? I'm guessing tar works since haeffb just mentioned it Aug 21 14:58:38 twbbas: samsung already builds smartphones with 3 different OSs Aug 21 14:58:48 steffen-: well they'd stop those. Aug 21 14:59:03 tar -cvz ? Aug 21 14:59:11 I don't believe any manufacturer will stop making Android phones Aug 21 14:59:14 yeah right, stop selling the galaxy s2 :P Aug 21 14:59:14 or just go to wp7 and webOS Aug 21 14:59:19 hehe Aug 21 14:59:20 what about bada? Aug 21 14:59:29 Maybe stop making WP7 and bada to focus on Android/webOS Aug 21 14:59:32 does anyone care about bada? Aug 21 14:59:40 does anyone care about webOS? Aug 21 14:59:44 I do! Aug 21 14:59:48 yes Aug 21 14:59:51 yeah, bada really isn't that bad :P Aug 21 15:00:01 maybe they could merge webos and bada Aug 21 15:00:08 ugh Aug 21 15:00:13 * twbbas hopes Samsung doesn't mess up webOS Aug 21 15:00:19 they're both linux based Aug 21 15:00:44 I don't want a manufacturer to "skin" webOS. I want it to stay how it is from HP Aug 21 15:00:46 and webos could really need some of bada's interface responsiveness tbh :P Aug 21 15:02:00 I would be really happy if samsung produced webos devices, their hardware is kick-ass Aug 21 15:02:07 but i really doubt it will happen :/ Aug 21 15:05:27 any office apps for TP that support editing? Aug 21 15:06:33 hopefully lenovo will start producing smartphones. :P Aug 21 15:06:38 flashcards HD now in the catalog Aug 21 15:07:02 twbbas_: try again Aug 21 15:07:11 ... err. Update in preware and try again Aug 21 15:12:40 well my account was charged for the tp I ordered yesterday Aug 21 15:12:45 we'll see if it goes through Aug 21 15:13:24 anything happen while i was sleeping? Aug 21 15:20:10 surprised touchstone prices haven't dropped Aug 21 15:20:17 by surprised i mean "I hoped they would, darn" Aug 21 15:21:55 dawm: Apple bought webOS to replace iOS. Other than that, nothing much. Aug 21 15:22:31 lol lumines Aug 21 15:22:40 rofl Aug 21 15:23:38 I have the touchpad browser to not autoload flash but when I visit a site with flash videos still begin playing. Aug 21 15:23:58 this is the largest this channel has ever been in 2 years Aug 21 15:25:24 any news about palm/webos? Aug 21 15:27:41 just placed an order for 3 TP's on HPs site :D Aug 21 15:28:47 can I just use cygwin to make the metadoctor? Aug 21 15:28:52 they should limit one per customer Aug 21 15:28:53 I know it says not to... Aug 21 15:29:09 i tried it and had problems siestacat Aug 21 15:29:19 Damn, TouchPads out of stock in BestBuys in North Carolina... (a friend lives there and he tried to get one for me) Aug 21 15:29:34 siestacat: no Aug 21 15:29:38 kirksutton I can*t install linux though Aug 21 15:29:49 siestacat: windows' filesystem doesn't support the things you NEED to make a metadcotor Aug 21 15:29:52 it just won't. Aug 21 15:30:09 rrix why wasnt a windows version made? Aug 21 15:30:19 siestacat: Because it's unpossibl?/ :) Aug 21 15:30:25 orly? Aug 21 15:30:30 siestacat: Look in to how UNIX handles files permissions Aug 21 15:30:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_(Unix) Aug 21 15:30:47 im pretty sure i just saw a tweet from bryanathp saying hp.com has no stock Aug 21 15:30:53 Windows doesn't have that, at all. Aug 21 15:31:14 metadoctor needs to preserve the modes of the files in webos.tar, and it can't do that on a windows partition Aug 21 15:31:16 same for vfat Aug 21 15:31:40 can I do it in a vm? Aug 21 15:31:40 woot Aug 21 15:31:44 siestacat: yes Aug 21 15:31:47 shipping notification on my touchpad Aug 21 15:31:55 rrix k tnanks Aug 21 15:32:04 anyone experiencing rises in installs? Aug 21 15:32:13 sorry typing I'm on my touchpad Aug 21 15:32:19 no worries Aug 21 15:32:25 140 downloads of mycokerewards so far today Aug 21 15:32:26 new kind of typing Aug 21 15:32:27 thats a bit of a spike Aug 21 15:32:34 sadly its free Aug 21 15:32:46 hi there Aug 21 15:32:56 siestacat: you could probably try to create the doctor ON your touchpad and copy it off on to your desktop to run it, if you were brave :) Aug 21 15:33:24 you could also use a usbstick and ubuntu live Aug 21 15:33:28 rrix how? Aug 21 15:33:46 usb stick and ubuntu live? Aug 21 15:33:50 PuffTheMagic: Will you sell me one if my friend can't find any? Aug 21 15:34:00 didnt know you could make docfoes Aug 21 15:34:08 OH Aug 21 15:34:12 rrix Aug 21 15:34:26 siestacat: install Xecutah and follow the instructions using xterm on the device Aug 21 15:34:38 you mean transfer files to TP from pc, make it on TP, then return and run jar Aug 21 15:35:14 mhm Aug 21 15:35:22 since the TP is a linux machine Aug 21 15:35:40 you'll have to do it from one of the partitions that isn't /media/internal since that's vfat but...l Aug 21 15:35:45 rrix where is xecutah? Aug 21 15:35:50 not in preware Aug 21 15:36:04 siestacat: testing feed Aug 21 15:36:13 (btw, we should be talking about this in #webos-internals, not here) Aug 21 15:36:16 I added yhat Aug 21 15:36:23 I'll go to internals Aug 21 15:36:28 give me a sec Aug 21 15:36:43 kthx :) Aug 21 15:53:19 has anyone gotten a confirmation from hp.com yet? Aug 21 15:59:13 * rrix has Aug 21 16:00:20 Bajan: got mine this morning Aug 21 16:01:56 for the full price the fire sale was not acknowleged yet Aug 21 16:02:21 I got mine too Aug 21 16:02:42 I am getting nervous Aug 21 16:15:49 http://twitter.com/#!/NeoApotheker/statuses/105309560486629377 <- lol Aug 21 16:15:59 oh mine was 90.09 just as i was charged Aug 21 16:16:18 humm Aug 21 16:16:29 I got charged full price, too Aug 21 16:16:34 going through phone sales Aug 21 16:16:52 * rrix will have to bust some kneecaps if he doesn't get 300$ refunded :) Aug 21 16:17:14 yes but the sales person said there would be an adjustment but when? Aug 21 16:17:26 "when it shipped" was what I was told Aug 21 16:17:33 ah ok Aug 21 16:17:36 I'm waiting until it arrives at hte latest to yell at someone Aug 21 16:17:50 I hear ya Aug 21 16:18:00 or they can send 2 more Aug 21 16:18:11 https://twitter.com/webosquire/status/105301320004673536 Aug 21 16:19:07 this has got to be a little bit of a boost for app sales Aug 21 16:19:13 If they send two more instead, I won't be able to eat next week :) Aug 21 16:19:15 getting all these devices into hands Aug 21 16:20:10 I should have kept the one I got from Staples with $200 off the original price Aug 21 16:20:23 and sold the new one Aug 21 16:20:30 Grrr Aug 21 16:20:52 * rrix already has planned use for his second tablet Aug 21 16:20:54 anyone go to best buy today?? was there a huge line? Aug 21 16:20:57 Hiii Aug 21 16:21:11 gonna spin up a nice enyo app for my local hackerspace, with calendar, etc Aug 21 16:21:24 and just stick it up front by the door for when people walk in. Aug 21 16:21:35 and i will steal it Aug 21 16:21:36 They see the calendar of events, then if they want a tour, the tourguide can use the tablet Aug 21 16:21:58 it'll also collect personal information of those foolish enough to touch it *ducks* Aug 21 16:22:54 woot, I have a 1gb /media/ext3fs now :3 Aug 21 16:23:38 dawm|laptop: besides, who would want a discontinued device??? :P Aug 21 16:23:48 you said hackerspace Aug 21 16:23:51 nuff said Aug 21 16:24:08 we respect eachother and eachother's property Aug 21 16:24:14 again Aug 21 16:24:16 hackerspace Aug 21 16:24:19 nuff said Aug 21 16:24:22 * rrix shrugs Aug 21 16:24:35 There are more expensive things in that space that don't get ripped off. Aug 21 16:24:35 data is property too ya know ;p Aug 21 16:24:45 are they sold out everywhere tho? Aug 21 16:25:00 people are buying TPs just because they here they are selling out Aug 21 16:25:05 look at ebay Aug 21 16:25:11 tons of auctions over $200 Aug 21 16:25:12 * rrix isn't disagreeing with you Aug 21 16:25:15 with tons of bids Aug 21 16:25:26 for a 16gb no access Aug 21 16:25:28 ories Aug 21 16:25:42 just saying that I feel comfortable leaving a tablet in the public area of the hackerspace I helped founded :) Aug 21 16:25:46 found? Aug 21 16:25:49 silly english Aug 21 16:30:01 brb not trusting coworkers Aug 21 16:35:10 ok, so I'm sure you guys are slammed with people who picked up the touchpad at the fire sale Aug 21 16:35:59 but I'm googling and I'm not finding any info; why isn't the webOS 3.0.2 update working? keeps croaking at "unpacking" would really like to see skype video chat working before I leave for work this week Aug 21 16:38:48 oh wait, nevermind, now it seems to be progressing at unpacking for a change, 30 minutes i've been hitting the button repeatedly trying Aug 21 16:38:53 ok stop with the bs for a min Aug 21 16:38:54 suddenly it wants to unpack Aug 21 16:38:57 i hvave a real jS question Aug 21 16:39:12 PuffTheMagic: webos development questions in #webos? that's madness. Aug 21 16:39:13 how do I add something to the beginning of arguments Aug 21 16:39:40 hm how to bring up the touchpad keyboard in kalemsoft player to set account info? doesn't come up clicking on the text fields Aug 21 16:40:09 Pay My Bill Aug 21 16:40:09 Thank You For Your Payment Aug 21 16:40:09 Thank you for your payment of $204.88 entered on August 21, 2011 12:10:36 PM EDT. You selected a payment date of August 23, 2011. Aug 21 16:40:09 Your confirmation number is: 15866071 Aug 21 16:40:09 Last Modified: June 28, 2011 Aug 21 16:40:12 oh shit Aug 21 16:40:14 sorry Aug 21 16:41:41 PuffTheMagic: hmmm, good question, actually. Aug 21 16:41:50 My first impulse is "loop" but that sucks Aug 21 16:42:10 is there an array in the object that has the args Aug 21 16:42:18 i could prob unshift that Aug 21 16:43:11 hmmm Aug 21 16:43:22 * rrix doesnt' have a debugger open or he'd look Aug 21 16:44:44 PuffTheMagic: long time no chat! Aug 21 16:46:43 Yeah, I got nothin' Aug 21 16:47:19 Just got my hp.com order confirmed Aug 21 16:47:38 sampson: your nick is familiar but im drawing a blank Aug 21 16:48:07 used to partake in hacking around on webos, helped you with freetether back in the day Aug 21 16:49:05 did a lot of reversing the palmos emulator Aug 21 16:51:06 ahh right Aug 21 16:59:43 anyone had issues with their touchpad speakers? Aug 21 17:02:18 such as? like the volume being low? Aug 21 17:03:09 like it just stops Aug 21 17:03:17 then i have to reboot it to get it working Aug 21 17:03:30 hmm samsung big announcement sept 1 eh eh? maybe something involving webos? Aug 21 17:03:37 too soon? Aug 21 17:03:55 haven't had that problem Aug 21 17:04:32 kevets: i'd say absolutely, the the google-motorola thing might make people make move really fast Aug 21 17:04:58 absolutely too soon that is Aug 21 17:05:11 but that anything is possible in light of GoMo Aug 21 17:05:16 that would be insane Aug 21 17:05:18 My brain is not functioning properly Aug 21 17:11:49 wirc looks decent on touchpad. why couldn't all Mojo apps look like this Aug 21 17:15:44 Bmyers: no update yet, no Aug 21 17:16:00 Guys, is there a way to use custom CSS for sites on the TP? Aug 21 17:16:30 edude03: browser agent based CSS? Aug 21 17:17:00 No more like to restyle an existing website Aug 21 17:17:36 i'd think you would have to use a proxy for that. Aug 21 17:21:58 jtrucks that's what I'm going to do :) Aug 21 17:22:50 I want to skin google music to work better on the TP Aug 21 17:23:22 I can't help but think about Beavis and Butthead everytime someone uses that shorthand for the TouchPad... Aug 21 17:23:25 =) Aug 21 17:24:22 It's nice to see this channel growing. Just last week it was at 80ish people if I remember correctly Aug 21 17:27:42 edude03: that would make my day Aug 21 17:27:54 twbbas: Now we just have to get them talking about webos DEVELOPMENT ;) Aug 21 17:28:01 haha Aug 21 17:28:18 kirksutton glad someone else cares :P Aug 21 17:28:25 Now what I really need to do is learn CSS :P Aug 21 17:28:27 Yeah, #TouchPad is for general touchpad talk Aug 21 17:31:28 twbbas: should prolly add that to /topic Aug 21 17:32:47 rrix: Yeah, rwhitby or dkirker should Aug 21 17:33:48 anyone know how to check their oder status on HPs site Aug 21 17:34:48 PuffTheMagic: https://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/order_status_sign_in.do Aug 21 17:36:00 hey guys Aug 21 17:36:07 my pdf viewer isn't viewing pdfs Aug 21 17:36:14 cannot render data, what gives Aug 21 17:37:17 shades: one particular pdf or any from a variety of sources? Aug 21 17:37:19 PuffTheMagic: what do you mean? Aug 21 17:37:29 cranky: I tried 3 pdfs i just put onto my palm Aug 21 17:37:31 none of them go Aug 21 17:37:35 PDF app is crap Aug 21 17:37:35 they work fine on my windows host Aug 21 17:37:38 All webOS devices are cheaper now Aug 21 17:37:45 shades: were all three from the same source? Aug 21 17:37:46 49.99$ Aug 21 17:37:51 cranky: no Aug 21 17:37:53 is the screen gorilla Aug 21 17:38:00 PuffTheMagic: var foo = function (first, second, third) { ... }; ? Aug 21 17:38:03 TravisAntonio: which ones? Aug 21 17:38:04 is a screen protector recommended Aug 21 17:38:22 shades: All the WebOS phones at HP Page Aug 21 17:38:32 Just check it out Aug 21 17:38:32 TravisAntonio: like the palm pres? Aug 21 17:38:42 Shades: Yep, all of them. Aug 21 17:38:42 I might want to buy some in case sprint cannot replace this semi failing one Aug 21 17:38:46 8 O Aug 21 17:38:51 do they ship to APO addresses? Aug 21 17:39:03 i hope they do Aug 21 17:39:07 Shades: I don't think so but check. Aug 21 17:39:12 argh 8 ( Aug 21 17:39:19 i wish more places would ship to APO addresses 8 C Aug 21 17:39:20 PuffTheMagic: arguments is that Aug 21 17:39:21 ?""/n Aug 21 17:39:34 "oww that huts, next time please unmout the drive from the desktop" Aug 21 17:39:43 wtf is this 1995 and we have to unmount usb devices? Aug 21 17:40:00 Haha Aug 21 17:40:16 you only have to unmount spinning disks Aug 21 17:40:26 TravisAntonio: where on their page? Aug 21 17:40:32 Asked about this yesterday but nobody seemed to really know... Aug 21 17:40:35 you don't have to unmount... but you could possibly hve corrupt data if you don't... your choice Aug 21 17:40:37 What is the activation process on the TouchPad like? Aug 21 17:40:39 leiru: i need to add a argument to the beginning of the arguments list Aug 21 17:40:43 Is there some country lock mechanism like in the phones? Aug 21 17:40:54 sign in to webos acount Aug 21 17:40:58 account* Aug 21 17:41:06 TravisAntonio: direct link would be nicde Aug 21 17:41:07 HattCzech: how does it determine what country you're in? For stuff like paid apps Aug 21 17:41:11 if you don't have one, you create one Aug 21 17:41:12 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do?storeName=storefronts&landing=handheld&category=iPAQ&a1=Type&v1=Palm&catLevel=2#bcAnchor&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/lateralnav_handhelds Aug 21 17:41:17 you enter it in Aug 21 17:41:20 I see Aug 21 17:41:29 it had a large country selection Aug 21 17:41:35 With the phones it figures it based on the sim card and after that it's locked for good Aug 21 17:41:36 (and language) Aug 21 17:41:45 I hope it works with that then Aug 21 17:41:53 There you go. Aug 21 17:42:00 TravisAntonio: they're all out of stock 8 C Aug 21 17:42:14 Yep. Aug 21 17:42:18 D 8 Aug 21 17:42:21 * HattCzech will be calling my devrel person tomorrow to see how much stuff i can get Aug 21 17:42:28 (if any) Aug 21 17:42:33 But HP is going to rstok ev Aug 21 17:42:38 This monay. Aug 21 17:42:41 Monday Aug 21 17:43:01 as in tomorrow? Aug 21 17:43:07 Yes. Aug 21 17:43:19 sweet Aug 21 17:43:42 I'm going to buy two touchpas tomorrow to start my dv projects Aug 21 17:44:07 One for me and one for my frieend Aug 21 17:44:09 what time are they going to be going on sale? Aug 21 17:44:12 i'm in a forsaken timezone Aug 21 17:44:27 I don't really know. Aug 21 17:44:37 nothing out here but sand and craters 8 | Aug 21 17:44:41 lol Aug 21 17:44:49 i'm serious Aug 21 17:44:53 Undeads... Aug 21 17:45:29 this isn't a movie, i'm serious Aug 21 17:45:59 18:39:08 < PuffTheMagic> is there an array in the object that has the args Aug 21 17:46:07 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide/Functions#Using_the_arguments_object Aug 21 17:47:20 so uh, how do I fix this pdf issue Aug 21 17:48:03 there was a PDF update Aug 21 17:48:20 damnit how long ago? Aug 21 17:48:30 how do I push this update from my pc? I can't get my pre online wher ei am Aug 21 17:49:49 wireless hotspot? Aug 21 17:50:02 there isn't one over here Aug 21 17:50:11 cat5 internet only for the time being until i get back to home base Aug 21 17:50:21 you might be SOL :/ Aug 21 17:50:28 gdmnit wtf Aug 21 17:50:30 8 C Aug 21 17:50:30 (until you get back home) Aug 21 17:50:40 i wouldn't call it home, it's just home base Aug 21 17:50:46 hehe, ok Aug 21 17:50:59 rwhitby: you around? Aug 21 17:51:27 shades: i'm not sure how to download updates if you're not on the device Aug 21 17:51:38 there should be a way, but i'm trying to find out how Aug 21 17:52:12 yeah i'm stuck on 1993 internet until i get back to california Aug 21 17:53:53 I am so angry. Aug 21 17:54:04 it could be worse Aug 21 17:54:16 how come every bestbuy employee gets to buy a billion touchpads and then sell them at 2x the price Aug 21 17:54:22 I just learned of the sale today Aug 21 17:54:26 they're not supposed to do that Aug 21 17:54:40 their employees are all over craigslist Aug 21 17:54:48 but be fair, they make barely over minimun wage Aug 21 17:54:55 i just got a 32GB touchpad :3 Aug 21 17:54:59 straight from hp Aug 21 17:55:00 they fire people wh odo that too frequently Aug 21 17:55:01 SoulShadow, no gloating today Aug 21 17:55:12 i'm just happy i got through the god damned website Aug 21 17:55:14 today is a sad day Aug 21 17:55:17 hp's website is horribly owned Aug 21 17:55:27 I dont have a CC#, so no tp for me Aug 21 17:55:31 "you've bough 10 50" lcd screens, our record sshow your salary can't afford that, you must be selling these on the black market! Fired!" Aug 21 17:55:59 lol Aug 21 17:55:59 matbee: no paypal? Aug 21 17:56:03 i have paypal Aug 21 17:56:04 no instore purchases? Aug 21 17:56:11 instore purchases for what? Aug 21 17:56:15 for the touchpad Aug 21 17:56:18 go tot he store and buy it? Aug 21 17:56:23 SoulShadow, i have Aug 21 17:56:29 bb is sold out globally Aug 21 17:56:35 radioshack? Aug 21 17:56:44 online isn't discounted but instore is Aug 21 17:56:53 what? Aug 21 17:57:18 does hp.ca take paypal? Aug 21 17:57:20 i doubt it Aug 21 17:57:25 uhh Aug 21 17:57:30 no idea Aug 21 17:57:33 don't see why they wouldn't Aug 21 17:57:56 loving this touchpad+wirc Aug 21 17:58:57 matbee: paypal might be SOHO only Aug 21 17:59:07 no they dont Aug 21 17:59:10 anyway, i've heard the touchpad has major lag Aug 21 17:59:11 god damnit Aug 21 17:59:24 screw everything about this Aug 21 17:59:30 tp is great lags not bad Aug 21 17:59:38 i went from not being able to afford it, to not being able to find one Aug 21 17:59:40 in 12 hours Aug 21 17:59:42 you can overclock it to 1.7 Aug 21 17:59:43 i heard there was a webos internals patch for the lag Aug 21 17:59:50 wtf do i do when i have 284mb ram left Aug 21 17:59:59 ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Aug 21 18:00:06 no wonder my computer is slow. /rant Aug 21 18:00:07 i'm also hoping that the CM port is successful, for something with guaranteed longevity Aug 21 18:00:32 did you try Wal-Mart in store pickup? got 2 that way Aug 21 18:00:49 or webos open sourced would be sweet too Aug 21 18:01:05 HP also has a place online to subscribe to a notification when they push out their remaining pads Aug 21 18:01:15 got to have thousands still Aug 21 18:01:30 beardface: url? Aug 21 18:01:47 does anyone want to sell me their touchpad? :( Aug 21 18:01:56 i dont even care if its used, if i can buy it at that price Aug 21 18:01:57 :P Aug 21 18:02:00 beardface: nvm - found it Aug 21 18:02:08 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html Aug 21 18:02:38 hp.ca order works, but i have no CC# Aug 21 18:02:44 so fuuuuu Aug 21 18:06:51 they should keep the price at 99 at chase iPad out of market. I hate that thing. giant iphone. Aug 21 18:10:31 can you imagine how much money they are loosi Aug 21 18:10:36 losing Aug 21 18:11:04 the ad campaign alone was costly Aug 21 18:26:50 bah Aug 21 18:26:58 can some webos dev's please get this $99 offer? Aug 21 18:27:05 without the hustle of the instores Aug 21 18:27:08 nope. Aug 21 18:27:16 anyone know if there is a patch to remove the "weeee" sound effect Aug 21 18:27:32 srsly. Aug 21 18:27:55 I'm guessing there is no where to buy online? Aug 21 18:28:14 My chances of finding one in SF are zero. Aug 21 18:28:23 not anymore Aug 21 18:28:29 check the slickdeals thread Aug 21 18:29:34 lol, lasted 4 minutes on Amazon Aug 21 18:33:43 damn, amazon did it as a lightning deal? Aug 21 18:34:02 yeah, lasted 4 minuts. Aug 21 18:34:05 minutes. Aug 21 18:34:10 and 25 min apparently Aug 21 18:38:49 damn missed that Aug 21 18:39:08 I have $50 in Amazon GC Aug 21 18:40:12 lol a $50 touchpad Aug 21 18:40:14 leet :P Aug 21 18:40:35 Please, if any webos dev-relations guys are here, please give us webos devs the same discount! Aug 21 18:41:15 what discount? Aug 21 18:43:28 oh wow Aug 21 18:43:33 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:00:09 +0000 (GMT) Aug 21 18:43:39 Subject: Your HP Order Confirmation Aug 21 18:43:40 staples has a $50 touchpad Aug 21 18:43:52 that order was placed .... friday Aug 21 18:44:01 dwc-: they're severely backed up right now lol Aug 21 18:44:04 Staples is all out here Aug 21 18:44:21 how do you get a touchpad at $50... and I'm pretty sure all mine are sold out by now too Aug 21 18:44:23 there is not a single store in this province with a touchpad Aug 21 18:44:35 i got charged my $160 for my touchpad Aug 21 18:44:38 staples price matches, so yeah Aug 21 18:44:38 so it must be coming now Aug 21 18:44:38 lol Aug 21 18:45:00 i couldn't find a 16 so i settled on the 32 from hp Aug 21 18:45:16 now we wait for ubuntu/cyanogenmod OR webos to be opensourced Aug 21 18:45:17 sadface Aug 21 18:46:01 i'm sur ethey'll get restocked Aug 21 18:46:09 now it's just a waiting game for the touchstone dock to come down in price Aug 21 18:46:11 to like $30 Aug 21 18:47:55 google should buy webos and just use them for a UI though, imo Aug 21 18:48:06 cards and such are great, but the performance from what i understand leaves something to be desired Aug 21 18:48:20 http://daringfireball.net/2011/08/hp_apotheker Aug 21 18:49:39 im gonna go do yoga tonight just to forget about this whole mess Aug 21 18:50:02 reminds me of the time i went to get concert tickets for Tool, and assholes bought so many of them just to scalp them for more $$ Aug 21 18:50:12 Holy sheet Aug 21 18:50:18 loltool Aug 21 18:50:32 heartbreaking, really is Aug 21 18:51:15 matbee: i'm having that reaction to the firesale too. I just want 1 more Aug 21 18:51:19 and people are buying like 8 Aug 21 18:51:27 i have 0 Aug 21 18:51:28 :( Aug 21 18:51:33 it was waaay too expensive Aug 21 18:51:33 i have a 16 Aug 21 18:51:37 '1 more' i haven't managed to get any -.- Aug 21 18:51:38 which i bought at full price Aug 21 18:51:43 yeah Aug 21 18:51:47 on the day it came out Aug 21 18:51:52 forget that Aug 21 18:51:59 i would have bought a 32, but 16 was a bit excessive at the time Aug 21 18:52:00 i wish hp wasnt dumb, and sold it for a reasonable price Aug 21 18:52:05 ipad's are NOT a reasonable price Aug 21 18:52:41 there are a million things hp could have done to make the release better, but i'm not sure any of them would have really mattered Aug 21 18:52:42 if me, the single male with a career, cringes at a price like that... they're doing something wrong Aug 21 18:52:54 matbee: +1 Aug 21 18:53:05 i bought it anyway because it was the hacker device of my dreams Aug 21 18:53:12 yeah thats what i want Aug 21 18:53:20 $499 for 16gb is too much Aug 21 18:53:26 waaay too much Aug 21 18:53:36 $499 for 250gb Aug 21 18:53:38 that i could live with Aug 21 18:53:44 $329 would be a decent price point Aug 21 18:53:50 250 is ideal Aug 21 18:53:50 imho Aug 21 18:53:55 1/2 the asking price Aug 21 18:53:59 $350 Aug 21 18:54:07 they should have competed on price at the get go Aug 21 18:54:12 because, honestly, it isnt a laptop Aug 21 18:54:18 $329, $349, and $389 Aug 21 18:54:46 $350 for a 16GB is good Aug 21 18:54:52 $400 for 32 Aug 21 18:54:56 $450 for 64 Aug 21 18:54:59 $350 is still too much Aug 21 18:55:11 dude 16gb flash drive costs $19 Aug 21 18:55:13 manufacturing costs are quite high Aug 21 18:55:20 btw, different NAND Aug 21 18:55:22 i know Aug 21 18:55:27 but stil Aug 21 18:55:33 NAND used in the devices is faster Aug 21 18:55:41 yes, i realize Aug 21 18:55:50 plus it's hard to get as much nand as they'd like Aug 21 18:55:53 so prices are raised for them Aug 21 18:55:59 gee, i wonder why Aug 21 18:56:10 maybe they should offer more money, invest more money Aug 21 18:56:32 you won't see a well built tablet south of $350 anytime soon Aug 21 18:56:37 they need to purchase like 16 billion in nand memory in order to stay competitive w/ apple Aug 21 18:56:45 that's the ONLY way anyone will ever compete Aug 21 18:56:59 transformer's selling pretty good Aug 21 18:56:59 anyone know if there is a patch to remove the "weeee" sound effect Aug 21 18:57:16 uninstall the birds Aug 21 18:57:22 what? Aug 21 18:57:23 Ger, don't hold it upside down Aug 21 18:57:25 its birds that does that? Aug 21 18:57:31 i'd rather hold it whatever way i want Aug 21 18:57:41 you're holding it wrong Aug 21 18:57:43 ok, then don't slingshot the apps Aug 21 18:57:45 hahaha Aug 21 18:57:49 i asked if there was a patch Aug 21 18:57:52 yes don't slingshot them Aug 21 18:57:54 not for steve jobs style "solutions" Aug 21 18:58:02 you can ask someone to make a patch Aug 21 18:58:20 i bet jaycanuck would be all over that Aug 21 18:58:35 i can't wait for ubuntu on the touchpad Aug 21 18:58:40 i think that'll be very interesting Aug 21 18:58:45 yeahhhhh Aug 21 18:58:51 why make a patch to make it stop doing something that you have to work at to make it do in the first place? Aug 21 18:59:02 lol Aug 21 18:59:31 fuck it, I'm going to stand in line at best buy Aug 21 18:59:34 maybe I'll get one Aug 21 18:59:40 lol Aug 21 18:59:46 have fun Aug 21 18:59:51 they open in 1 hour Aug 21 18:59:55 cause I'm in hawaii Aug 21 19:00:28 I woke up at 11, and decided not to bother trying bestbuy Aug 21 19:00:40 I couldn't get ship to store last night either so it's really not worth it Aug 21 19:00:51 bestbuy no luck.. officemax no luck .. staples no luck Aug 21 19:01:09 everywhere is out Aug 21 19:01:23 they are on craiglist for like $300 lol Aug 21 19:01:24 When in doubt, ebay Aug 21 19:01:25 I actually drove right by the officemax on my way back from officedepot yesterday Aug 21 19:01:33 totally forgot it was there Aug 21 19:04:44 App sales are going nuts Aug 21 19:06:44 I'm jealous...wish I could drop an app in :) Aug 21 19:08:03 sugardave: Do it! Aug 21 19:08:19 app sales going up? haha Aug 21 19:10:03 kesne, you are seeing increase in paid app sales? Aug 21 19:10:15 I was predicting there would be none Aug 21 19:10:27 I would be happy to be wrong Aug 21 19:10:29 jacques: They're going up by a lot Aug 21 19:10:55 what app? Aug 21 19:11:46 kesne, then I'm happy for all the devs Aug 21 19:12:13 I thought ppl who paid very little for a tablet would not pay for apps Aug 21 19:13:39 My free app got the most downloads every yesterday Aug 21 19:13:48 We'll see how many people buy the in-app stuff when I update it Aug 21 19:15:17 jacques: good point Aug 21 19:15:58 it's hard to tell for me if they're going up or not Aug 21 19:16:03 it's paid app numbers I'm interested in. the slickdealers love free, but it's difficult to get them to open the wallet Aug 21 19:16:13 my apps have only been in for < 2 weeks Aug 21 19:17:46 there are $100 android tablets. so same situation for android ecosystem Aug 21 19:20:10 hey all Aug 21 19:22:54 21:14 there are $100 android tablets. so same situation for android ecosystem Aug 21 19:23:19 Nowhere near the availability (well, now I'm not so sure...) and tech spec of touchpadzs. Aug 21 19:24:22 or running honeycomb. Aug 21 19:24:25 klausa: so what? touchpad is a cheapass tablet now Aug 21 19:24:34 the touchpad is also usable Aug 21 19:24:39 non-honeycomb tablets are not Aug 21 19:24:52 yeah Aug 21 19:24:57 the touchpad is perfect for throwing in my bag and brining it places, not being concerned if it breaks or not Aug 21 19:25:00 i wouldn't do that with my ipad2 Aug 21 19:25:07 LOL Aug 21 19:25:12 on the other hand, the touchpad is missing essential apps Aug 21 19:25:14 the ipad2 is garbage Aug 21 19:25:18 evernote, spotify, a few others Aug 21 19:25:21 only idiots believe that. Aug 21 19:25:32 Ger, I work professionally with mobile development Aug 21 19:25:35 it's garbage. Aug 21 19:25:35 ipad2 is cool because people throw HUGE money on it Aug 21 19:25:37 and you are an idiot Aug 21 19:25:41 LOL Aug 21 19:25:47 the ipad2 is cool because it's well built and has "the apps" Aug 21 19:25:52 the ipad2 only has apps Aug 21 19:25:58 'only' Aug 21 19:26:05 yeah, only Aug 21 19:26:06 on the other hand, it does nothing with its screen realestate Aug 21 19:26:09 the home screen is baren Aug 21 19:26:11 etc Aug 21 19:26:16 the hardware is good Aug 21 19:26:20 the software is garbage Aug 21 19:26:31 but their sdk smokes everything else out there Aug 21 19:26:44 that's not the only reason they are winning Aug 21 19:26:50 including palm's less-than-perfect implementation of webkit Aug 21 19:26:58 anyway i'm not interested in having a debate with people who hate apple for no reason Aug 21 19:27:13 it doesn't take a genius to decide that the ipad is the best tablet out there and to be correct Aug 21 19:27:16 same for the iphone, same reason as well Aug 21 19:27:20 best? Aug 21 19:27:22 what the shit Aug 21 19:27:24 hell, the ONLY Aug 21 19:27:28 the rest are all craplets Aug 21 19:27:33 lol, trollololol Aug 21 19:27:35 ios ecosystem has the best opportunity for developers now Aug 21 19:27:39 Ger: Well, Android on phones has apps and is more-or-less usable. Aug 21 19:27:45 yes it does Aug 21 19:27:50 but it doesnt have many of the same apps Aug 21 19:27:57 just from my phone: sec Aug 21 19:28:00 But on tablets - yeah, iOS blows everything else. Aug 21 19:28:09 ios blows though Aug 21 19:28:11 thats the thing Aug 21 19:28:14 er Aug 21 19:28:20 ever get a popup? Aug 21 19:28:22 lol Aug 21 19:28:35 ive been on ios5 since beta 1 Aug 21 19:28:39 btw, did you read this -> http://daringfireball.net/2011/08/hp_apotheker Aug 21 19:28:41 *everythig else away. Aug 21 19:28:44 why are the touchpdads going for $200 - $300 on ebay? do the people buying them not know they've been discounted? Aug 21 19:28:59 PhoneGuy, because they're 'scalpers' Aug 21 19:29:09 the trash of the world Aug 21 19:29:16 basically Aug 21 19:29:19 but i mean the people buying them, are they unaware of the discount? Aug 21 19:29:19 android has all the core apps Aug 21 19:29:22 and none of the gmaes Aug 21 19:29:26 "HP is excited that you have submitted your app to us for evaluation to be included in the HP® App Catalog." Aug 21 19:29:31 also it has that backwards windows-style uninstallation Aug 21 19:29:33 and menus, etc Aug 21 19:29:38 it resembles windows strongly Aug 21 19:29:40 haeffb: new app? Aug 21 19:29:44 update Aug 21 19:29:47 new price Aug 21 19:29:50 bug fixes Aug 21 19:29:53 mo' money? Aug 21 19:29:55 which app? Aug 21 19:30:03 one that goes "weeeeee" Aug 21 19:30:10 just kidding :) Aug 21 19:30:12 rofl Aug 21 19:30:17 pondNotes Aug 21 19:30:18 mo' money, mo' problems Aug 21 19:30:24 Ger: Yeah, I agree on games. Aug 21 19:30:25 the weeee thing is annoying as shit, im half about to go trackdown the file and delete it Aug 21 19:30:34 i wanted the games and a few other apps so i bought an iphone Aug 21 19:30:38 my android phones mostly sit here Aug 21 19:30:41 get used occasionally Aug 21 19:31:02 Ger, Android is the next generation of winmo Aug 21 19:31:05 yes Aug 21 19:31:09 and winmo was AWFUL Aug 21 19:31:10 Ger: you do know that you can just flip cards up, right? Aug 21 19:31:14 i do know that Aug 21 19:31:16 its still annoying Aug 21 19:31:20 Ger: pro-tip, you can turn the TouchPad 180 degrees and it won't make that sound anymore Aug 21 19:31:24 i am aware Aug 21 19:31:34 lol Aug 21 19:31:36 seems easier Aug 21 19:31:41 sugardave: he has to intentionally make it go "weeeee" and it's still annoying him. Aug 21 19:31:47 so... Aug 21 19:31:48 too funny Aug 21 19:31:52 he wants to launch it off Aug 21 19:31:55 not throw it off :P Aug 21 19:31:58 180 Aug 21 19:32:02 sometimes i want to do whatever Aug 21 19:32:14 its only annoying if i'm in public or whatever and i accidently make it go weeeeee Aug 21 19:32:30 you could make it a fart sound instead Aug 21 19:32:34 hahah Aug 21 19:32:38 PSA: the new accuweather app is awesome. Aug 21 19:32:39 awesome prank Aug 21 19:32:48 anyone here have a working webos smartphone? Aug 21 19:32:53 my pre is broken i think Aug 21 19:33:00 i want to pull the spotify ipk Aug 21 19:33:06 doesnt show up on the touchpad for whatever reason Aug 21 19:33:48 sugardave: that would put all the fart apps out of business Aug 21 19:34:05 Ger, the spotify app isn't in the catalog because it doesn't work on 3.0 Aug 21 19:34:12 it can be made to work though. Aug 21 19:34:17 and I can live with that Aug 21 19:34:32 spotify is absolutely essential to me Aug 21 19:35:49 oh great, my pre1 is on 2.x. this will be fun to use... Aug 21 19:35:50 booting. Aug 21 19:36:53 see you all in 10 minutes when this boots Aug 21 19:37:09 lol Aug 21 19:38:12 ah fuck this thing isnt activated, nevermind that Aug 21 19:38:23 whaddup friends Aug 21 19:38:32 haeffb: Ads? Aug 21 19:39:04 Ger: You can bypass it Aug 21 19:39:33 and get app catalog? Aug 21 19:39:42 IGNTNUNLMTD: where? Aug 21 19:39:48 in Accuweather Aug 21 19:39:54 Ger: Use Impostah to create a profile after bypassing activation Aug 21 19:40:01 yeah^ Aug 21 19:40:03 oh. add // to the right place and they don't exist anymore :) Aug 21 19:40:24 :) Aug 21 19:40:32 thisll be fun Aug 21 19:40:36 HAH haeffb, you are a genius Aug 21 19:40:42 any new webOS people in here? Aug 21 19:40:48 not new, but back with the touchpad Aug 21 19:40:49 new TouchPad owners? Aug 21 19:40:49 hello Aug 21 19:41:03 IGNTNUNLMTD: go to #touchpad lots in there Aug 21 19:41:05 how are you liking it? worth $100? ;-) Aug 21 19:41:08 this channel is about twice as full as it used to be... Aug 21 19:41:14 yeah I noticed Aug 21 19:41:16 woot Aug 21 19:41:28 webOS has unintentionally been saved Aug 21 19:41:56 alright this will take a while Aug 21 19:41:59 installing all the shit i need on mac Aug 21 19:42:05 macports go go go Aug 21 19:42:15 the Launhcline contest better gimmie my 2 touchpads for winning!!!! ill be pissed Aug 21 19:42:24 you won?! Aug 21 19:42:27 yeah Aug 21 19:42:30 oh shit Aug 21 19:42:32 congrats Aug 21 19:42:34 i got 9 place and 42 place Aug 21 19:42:39 good work Aug 21 19:42:40 they owe my a trip! Aug 21 19:42:43 thanks Aug 21 19:42:47 what trip? Aug 21 19:42:56 top 10 got to pick vacations Aug 21 19:43:08 ive given them my top 3 picks and they gonna get back with me Aug 21 19:43:19 cool! Aug 21 19:43:19 Vegas, LA, and orlando where my picks Aug 21 19:43:22 so once i have the app installed on the pre Aug 21 19:43:24 how do i pull the ipk Aug 21 19:43:30 IGNTNUNLMTD: how's it goin? Aug 21 19:43:41 Ger: what do you mean? Aug 21 19:43:44 Good! How're you? Aug 21 19:43:48 its in media/crypto/usr/palm/aplications? Aug 21 19:43:57 me too ziplock Aug 21 19:44:00 which did you pick? Aug 21 19:44:05 once the apps installed, its not in ipk form anymore Aug 21 19:44:09 you in top 10 kirk? Aug 21 19:44:10 Ger: you can't get the .ipk, you can get the expanded source Aug 21 19:44:10 IGNTNUNLMTD: awesome! Aug 21 19:44:10 oh i see Aug 21 19:44:11 i want to pull a pre (non-touchpad) only app from a pre Aug 21 19:44:14 oh Aug 21 19:44:16 so just pull that Aug 21 19:44:19 and put it where it goes? Aug 21 19:44:26 i picked vegas, la, and sonoma Aug 21 19:44:26 got 4 touchpad coming soon, and 4 cases :-) Aug 21 19:44:27 tar it up, palm-package it to get the .ipk Aug 21 19:44:32 what place were you Aug 21 19:44:33 sounds fun. Aug 21 19:44:44 you need the SDK Aug 21 19:44:47 Ger: You're gonna have to do a lot of editing the Spotify code to make it work on the TP Aug 21 19:44:49 to get palm-package Aug 21 19:44:52 i was in 8th haha Aug 21 19:45:11 lol im 9th I picked vegas, la, orlando cause of spending money Aug 21 19:45:29 hope i dont get stuck with serena williams or mario andretti Aug 21 19:45:29 i picked em in location to stone brewing company Aug 21 19:45:47 the mario one is now in vegas Aug 21 19:45:54 i picked andretti as third choice because it was in cali. i hope i don't get stuck with serena though haha Aug 21 19:45:54 Ger: you want to make spotify tp? Aug 21 19:46:02 yep Aug 21 19:46:04 i know how to Aug 21 19:46:05 oh really? nice Aug 21 19:46:07 i just need the IPK Aug 21 19:46:08 yup Aug 21 19:46:14 ill post it on precentral once done Aug 21 19:46:16 is that allowed? is spotify open source? Aug 21 19:46:23 nope, but it doesnt need to be Aug 21 19:46:26 just two files make it work on 3.0 Aug 21 19:46:28 ta-da, done Aug 21 19:46:35 i didn;t pick the cruise. the taxes on that would be insane Aug 21 19:46:36 they can fuck off if they have a problem Aug 21 19:46:42 <-- Justin Showalter from facebook Aug 21 19:46:46 ok... Aug 21 19:46:50 Ger: That is copyright infringement. And discussion of such is prohibited in this channel. Aug 21 19:46:58 you still have to pay them for the service Aug 21 19:47:03 just making the app work on 3.0 Aug 21 19:47:08 hey dkirker! Aug 21 19:47:17 app is free anyway, its only technically infrigement. im sure they dont give a shit, yay more customers Aug 21 19:47:23 Ger: still copyright infringement Aug 21 19:47:24 yeah fuck the cruise lol it was like 23k Aug 21 19:47:27 Posting the IPK is copyright infringement. Aug 21 19:47:28 dkirker long time no see, I've rentered the WebOS world with a touchpad. ;-) Aug 21 19:47:35 anyway, moving on Aug 21 19:47:35 do bad the cooking in italy was gone L Aug 21 19:47:36 :( Aug 21 19:47:43 The reason that HP supports homebrew is because we don't do illegal stuff like that Aug 21 19:47:46 that was my first choice Aug 21 19:47:47 Hi PatrickC_TP! Hey EdLin! Aug 21 19:47:52 it doesnt matter what HP supports Aug 21 19:47:53 they are gone. Aug 21 19:47:55 well, would have been Aug 21 19:48:10 yeah LOL so far only ones taken are cooking, sharks and dude ranch i think Aug 21 19:48:12 dkirker: where's my Enyo Universe ;-) Aug 21 19:48:14 PatrickC_TP: on a touchpad? Aug 21 19:48:17 hope they email use tomorrow Aug 21 19:48:22 yeah Aug 21 19:48:23 haeffb: yep Aug 21 19:48:29 hotdp!!!! \o/ Aug 21 19:48:37 Hi haeffb Aug 21 19:48:42 and Bmyers !!!! \o/ Aug 21 19:48:48 PatrickC_TP: Heh... After what happened last week at work... It is going to take me a bit more time. There may be roadblocks. Dunno. Aug 21 19:48:50 even tho serena williams got a nice big ass id be there with my girlfriend :( Aug 21 19:49:03 * hotdp have been in Amsterdam for a week and came back for alot of bad news :( Aug 21 19:49:10 dkirker: I was kidding lol Aug 21 19:49:14 Bmyers: are you here? Aug 21 19:49:17 * ziplock503 better go back and medicate Aug 21 19:49:32 he's trying to find a cheap touchpad Aug 21 19:49:36 PatrickC_TP: haha, yeah, I kinda figured. I still have a few projects. :) Aug 21 19:49:47 that's good :-) Aug 21 19:49:50 so do I Aug 21 19:50:02 lemme know if I can help ;-) Aug 21 19:50:23 i got an ad on craigslist WTB touchpad $150 .. people are calling me LOL Aug 21 19:50:38 im like dude Im trying to buy one not sell one Aug 21 19:50:42 dkirker: would you have any updates on dev devices? Aug 21 19:50:51 haha Aug 21 19:51:01 dev pre3! Aug 21 19:51:10 $50 usd? please! ;) Aug 21 19:51:13 dev stingray :) Aug 21 19:51:23 dev * Aug 21 19:51:34 no... would the dev devices be 149 - our tier discount :-) Aug 21 19:51:35 PatrickC_TP: I am not familiar with the developer device program, but I will ask around. Aug 21 19:51:46 dkirker: thanks Aug 21 19:52:19 I hope Hp lets the devs keep the loaners free :-) Aug 21 19:52:29 LOL the best buy in hawaii where my brother went had to get the cops called!!! Aug 21 19:52:36 100 people got really mad!! Aug 21 19:52:40 since they were out of stock Aug 21 19:52:42 kirksutton: they better honor or touchpads at least .... some of the other contests the are still running got canceled Aug 21 19:52:57 twbbas: lol Aug 21 19:53:08 we should try group buying to acquire whole palm division Aug 21 19:53:09 ziplock503 which contests got cancelled? Aug 21 19:53:24 new zeland and some other one Aug 21 19:53:25 ziplock503 and yes i need that touchpad Aug 21 19:53:54 ziplock503: and better be 64gb model haha Aug 21 19:53:55 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=17561 Aug 21 19:54:02 BHAHA PC Mall & HP's Endless Summer TouchPad Sweepstakes Aug 21 19:54:02 Thank you for entering the sweepstakes. Due to HP’s announcement that they will be discontinuing the TouchPad, the Sweepstakes has been cancelled. Aug 21 19:54:02 One prize of an HP laptop, of equal or greater value, will be awarded in a random drawing from all eligible entries received prior to this announcement. The winner will be announced on our website and notified by PC Mall Aug 21 19:54:19 weak huh Aug 21 19:54:23 lol Aug 21 19:54:26 whack Aug 21 19:54:26 that stinks Aug 21 19:54:29 twbbas: wow -- apparently there were riots outside a best buy here outside Baltimore. Aug 21 19:54:37 wow Aug 21 19:54:53 least nobody got shot like when the ps3 got released Aug 21 19:55:05 and we canceled this product? good move hp.. good move Aug 21 19:55:28 it will be back with a new partner ready to help those millions of new customers Aug 21 19:55:59 I hope we get iPad 2 hw, with webOS 3.x :-) Aug 21 19:56:08 that would be amazing ! Aug 21 19:56:28 it's not that hard to get customers when you're selling things at a $200 loss Aug 21 19:56:46 notice people aren't going "omg, webos!" Aug 21 19:56:54 they're going "omg, cheap tablet... can I run android on it?" Aug 21 19:57:03 HP should have subsidized the launch of the touchpad Aug 21 19:57:30 they could have made it cheaper... they chose to price it as a competitor to the ipad, rather than the slew and a half of cheap android tablets Aug 21 19:57:34 dwc-: and if they thought there was any chance of running iOS on it, they wouldn't care about Android either :) Aug 21 19:57:53 (and a few more expensive android tablets) Aug 21 19:58:50 i wonder if hp.com will get more tomorrow? Aug 21 19:59:29 they said they will and sign up to be notified Aug 21 19:59:43 I'm on their call list Aug 21 20:00:07 Sears also said they would too Aug 21 20:00:24 http://allthingsd.com/20110819/with-hps-raising-of-the-worlds-biggest-white-flag-will-jon-rubinstein-and-todd-bradley-surrender-too/ Aug 21 20:00:36 it was a surprise to Rubenstein and Bradley too. Aug 21 20:00:41 they are collecting from the stores that returned them like Staples Aug 21 20:00:44 wow Aug 21 20:00:45 PatrickC_TP: where's the sign up to be notified link? Aug 21 20:00:55 they didn't tell either of them until this Sunday. Aug 21 20:01:18 scottj: I called Hp last night for something else, and asked them to add me Aug 21 20:04:03 instead of $99, HP should exchange 3 touchpads for an ipad. things would get funnier Aug 21 20:04:14 haha Aug 21 20:04:34 anyone got wirc-mojo running? Aug 21 20:04:43 PuffTheMagic_: me Aug 21 20:04:58 on a tp.. Aug 21 20:05:03 PatrickC_TP: i need yo to test something Aug 21 20:05:09 ok Aug 21 20:06:04 the red line that marks your position in a channel when you switch Aug 21 20:06:15 what happens when u leave and come back to a channel Aug 21 20:06:16 yay recovering to 2.1.0 Aug 21 20:06:26 instead of $99, HP should exchange 3 touchpads for an ipad. things would get funnier Aug 21 20:06:29 no one would take that deal Aug 21 20:06:30 and the previous last message is still the current message when you get back Aug 21 20:06:44 apple should offer one 16gb ipad2 for 5 touchpad Aug 21 20:06:44 apple should offer one 16gb ipad2 for 5 touchpads Aug 21 20:06:46 cash for trash Aug 21 20:06:49 PuffTheMagic_: IIRC, if you leave a channel, it erases backlog Aug 21 20:06:54 in my experiences Aug 21 20:07:02 PuffTheMagic: typically, nothing. the red line stays whereever it was Aug 21 20:07:02 no i dont mean leave channel Aug 21 20:07:07 i mean switch card Aug 21 20:07:08 ah Aug 21 20:07:13 lemme chexk Aug 21 20:07:26 I never figured out how to make the red line go away reliably Aug 21 20:07:26 dwc-: so you could have a line at the bottom of the chat Aug 21 20:07:41 dwc-: it doesnt go away once it shows up Aug 21 20:07:44 it just moves Aug 21 20:07:56 well, the red line would never be at the bottom... it'd be just above the bottom line if anything Aug 21 20:08:24 PuffTheMagic_: the red line didnt appear when I went to card view.. Aug 21 20:08:36 I'm on my touchpad.. could that be it? Aug 21 20:08:40 imo, if you go back to the card, the line should go away or go below the bottom line Aug 21 20:08:41 no Aug 21 20:08:47 since it's supposed to mark what you last saw, no? Aug 21 20:08:52 im prob not explaining what i need tested Aug 21 20:09:11 dwc-: the position of the card is marked when the channel looses focus Aug 21 20:10:24 Adora! Aug 21 20:10:29 * cwayne just got $300 back from staples Aug 21 20:10:39 cwayne: cool Aug 21 20:10:56 PuffTheMagic_: lemme get on using my pre2 Aug 21 20:11:06 no it shouldnt matter the device Aug 21 20:11:18 oh, Adora popping into #webos Aug 21 20:11:38 PuffTheMagic_: lemme try something Aug 21 20:11:46 PatrickC_TP: all you have to do is be in 2 channels, start on chan1, siwtch to chan2 then back to chan1 Aug 21 20:11:51 before a new message shows up on chan1 Aug 21 20:11:56 ok Aug 21 20:12:02 I'll try that Aug 21 20:12:02 is there a red line at the very bottom Aug 21 20:12:21 ok, just did it Aug 21 20:12:29 no red line, no new msg's Aug 21 20:12:57 dwc-: please tell me you got a 150 touchpad? Aug 21 20:13:02 PatrickC_TP: thanks Aug 21 20:13:07 cwayne: they refused to adjust the price yesterday here in NY Aug 21 20:13:11 why not a $100 touchpad! Aug 21 20:13:18 PatrickC_TP: but the line does show up if you wait long enough for a new message? Aug 21 20:13:20 PuffTheMagic: I have a confirmation email from HP for my friday order, finally Aug 21 20:13:23 dwc-: or one of them Aug 21 20:13:32 PuffTheMagic_: lemme check Aug 21 20:14:12 PuffTheMagic_: if shows up Aug 21 20:14:17 PuffTheMagic: two quiet channels... switching... no red line Aug 21 20:14:38 s/if/it/ Aug 21 20:14:52 on chan 1, new msg on chan 2, chan 2 gets a red line Aug 21 20:15:13 switching between 1 and 2 and back repeatedly leaves the red line where it was Aug 21 20:15:13 dwc-: got my confirmations for Fridays orders today too Aug 21 20:15:15 Bajan: that's crappy Aug 21 20:15:37 dwc-: im waiting on a confirmation for 3 more i ordered today Aug 21 20:15:51 sm biz? mine was the home order Aug 21 20:15:52 why are you guys ordering so many Aug 21 20:16:01 dwc-: ya Aug 21 20:16:02 PuffTheMagic_: how'd you order them today?! Aug 21 20:16:03 so they can sell some to me Aug 21 20:16:04 focused on chan2, new message on chan2, switching to 1 and 2 does not move the red line Aug 21 20:16:22 PatrickC_TP: this morning they smb had 32gig's in stock Aug 21 20:16:31 focused on chan1, new message on chan2, red line does move Aug 21 20:16:38 really? wow Aug 21 20:16:43 dwc-: the new line shouldnt move if a new message didnt come in Aug 21 20:16:44 my uncle wanted some.. Aug 21 20:16:48 still in stock? Aug 21 20:16:56 ya Aug 21 20:17:15 dwc-: how do you even suppose we get rid of the line Aug 21 20:17:21 well, i went to 4 stores today trying to find a touchpad, but no luck Aug 21 20:17:24 PuffTheMagic: I'd actually prefer if it did... marking what I've "seen" Aug 21 20:17:26 we can get rid of it when you focus on it else you woudl never see it Aug 21 20:17:28 I guess I'll just hope my SMB order comes through Aug 21 20:17:52 dwc-: take this to #wirc Aug 21 20:18:07 square: where do you live? Aug 21 20:18:13 but I wanted to talk about mor ethan just alksdjfalsdjf Aug 21 20:18:34 bluffton, south carolina Aug 21 20:18:37 onr Aug 21 20:21:03 fuck Aug 21 20:21:06 all sold out everywhere. Aug 21 20:21:40 * fxspec06 figured out how to use diff icon size in his IPK Aug 21 20:23:58 square: sorry, dont know Aug 21 20:24:25 ping Adora Aug 21 20:24:45 okay, my app sales have DEFINITELY gone up Aug 21 20:25:10 newegg and cdw are still listing them as in stock but they're full price Aug 21 20:25:41 fxspec06: by how much? Aug 21 20:26:04 i don't have much data Aug 21 20:26:28 look what someone on craigslist posted Aug 21 20:26:31 Don't buy the Touchpad for more than retail. I have a very close friend who works for HP who says they will be selling MASSIVE amounts on the website as soon as Monday. Re-sellers bought up physical inventory to hike up artificial demand, don't be a fool and fork over $250-300 when you can get one FOR SURE next week for $100/$150. Don't let the sneaky resellers get you!! Aug 21 20:26:41 hah, wow Aug 21 20:26:46 they have at least doubled what i was seeing before the 19th Aug 21 20:26:52 I went to a best buy 30 minutes before opening Aug 21 20:26:55 and i only expect them to go up Aug 21 20:26:57 and they had a line about 120 people Aug 21 20:27:02 they only had 51 touchpads to give out :( Aug 21 20:27:09 bullshit since I was there last night before closing and they wouldn't sell Aug 21 20:27:14 I was about 100th in line :( Aug 21 20:27:17 uncola: me2 line wasnt that big cause tickets were passed out already Aug 21 20:27:26 i didnt get one Aug 21 20:27:34 me neither Aug 21 20:27:36 fuck best buy forever Aug 21 20:27:41 fxspec06: percentage? Aug 21 20:28:04 i went to bestbuy at 8pm last night and they were like we are selling them tomorrow and I was like wtf people are buying them right now in other bestbuys!!!! Aug 21 20:28:09 lemme figure it out Aug 21 20:29:03 about 65% Aug 21 20:29:13 since (including) the 19th Aug 21 20:29:31 153%*** Aug 21 20:29:35 sorry Aug 21 20:30:07 that's taking the 12th to the 18th, and averaging, then the 19th to 21st, and averaging Aug 21 20:31:53 fxspec06: thats great Aug 21 20:31:57 what kind of apps you have? Aug 21 20:32:31 i only have two apps in the catalog. that was one of the two, because the second hasn't been in long enough to use data Aug 21 20:32:48 wildn video poker HD was the sample. it's $.99 Aug 21 20:33:11 clearview is the other one, also $.99. but i will be exporting .csv daily now and keeping track of it Aug 21 20:33:38 i bought clearview Aug 21 20:33:59 nice. i just submitted an update Aug 21 20:34:59 fxspec06: how many sales a day you get normally? (if its ok for you to tell) Aug 21 20:35:44 Adora: re-ping Aug 21 20:37:00 where are installed apps stored on 2.x? Aug 21 20:37:09 dont see them in /var/usr/ which is where i think they used to be Aug 21 20:38:26 square: contact to http://www.tecca.com/ Aug 21 20:38:36 square: they have some touchpads Aug 21 20:38:47 well, I ordered one from HP yesterday Aug 21 20:38:54 I'm just not sure when it will ship Aug 21 20:38:57 MTW: /media/cryptofs Aug 21 20:38:59 they already charged me for it though Aug 21 20:39:00 on average i see around 8 or 9 Aug 21 20:39:05 somewhere under threre Aug 21 20:39:06 for wild'n Aug 21 20:39:35 and it used to be 4 or 5 Aug 21 20:39:51 but again, it's so hard to say because it hasnt even been two weeks. Aug 21 20:40:56 clearview is flying, avg of about 11 / day Aug 21 20:41:04 only been out for 3 days lol Aug 21 20:41:35 i know people that have apps that see 30 / day Aug 21 20:41:56 fxspec06: its still good. most newcomers havent get their TPs yet Aug 21 20:42:30 yep. and there's still plenty more to sell also Aug 21 20:43:38 one should make a "welcome to webos" :) Aug 21 20:43:56 *app Aug 21 20:45:03 lol Aug 21 20:45:09 there's an idea Aug 21 20:46:21 get a warranty from squaretrade for $69 Aug 21 20:46:42 3 yrs, and accidental damaged from handling Aug 21 20:53:13 Adora: ping #3 Aug 21 20:53:15 pcworld says hp sold 350k touchpads during first wave of fire sale Aug 21 20:53:58 lol Aug 21 20:57:33 they're bitching about 4chan being down in the touchdroid channel. Adorable. Aug 21 20:57:45 hahaha Aug 21 20:58:05 BAHAHAHAHA Aug 21 20:58:18 Can anyone tell me if the TP adobe reader app downloads PDFs from online services (i.e. Dropbox?) It looks like it because after the initial opening it doesn't load anything but I can't find where it saves it. Aug 21 20:59:28 Of course I could always use dropboxify to download and save the pdf but I am just curious if the reader saves it before opening Aug 21 20:59:49 hrm Aug 21 21:00:02 any ideas if a firesale is coming to amazon.com? Aug 21 21:00:35 scasplte2: have added your dropbox acccount? Aug 21 21:00:47 if u did, and there are files in there, the adobe reader will see them Aug 21 21:01:18 I have added the dropbox account and can open the PDFs Aug 21 21:01:34 then what is the issue? Aug 21 21:01:58 but I am curious if the app always downloads then opens because then I can move them to an offline accessible place with Internalz Aug 21 21:02:17 loads to memory Aug 21 21:02:19 no issue really I just want to know where AR saves PDFs from dropbox before opening Aug 21 21:02:22 oh Aug 21 21:02:23 why would you move them Aug 21 21:02:32 for offline access Aug 21 21:02:50 scasplte2: you familiar with mendeley? Aug 21 21:02:59 afraid not Aug 21 21:03:16 scasplte2: its an online cloud based pdf orgaizer tool witha hint of social networking Aug 21 21:03:33 im working on a native TP client for it Aug 21 21:04:07 that sounds interesting. Aug 21 21:04:22 has desktop clients for mac,windows,linux Aug 21 21:04:27 can sync between all of them Aug 21 21:04:29 its really nice Aug 21 21:04:35 that would be great Aug 21 21:04:56 I want something where I can download academic papers on my mac or pc and read them on the TP Aug 21 21:05:10 thus dropbox was my first thought Aug 21 21:06:03 Box.net Aug 21 21:06:52 scasplte2: papers in what format? PDF? Aug 21 21:09:05 yes PDFs Aug 21 21:09:34 generally formatted in two columns and with figures Aug 21 21:10:12 why not download directly to the TP? Aug 21 21:10:17 box.net is great but no native sync for mac Aug 21 21:10:31 leiru: check hp.com for more stock in the morning start calling at midnite Aug 21 21:10:55 go go go http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8/ref=sr_1_16?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20&ie=UTF8&m=A33Y0YQUZ2NYD5&s=electronics&qid=1313960543&sr=1-16 Aug 21 21:10:59 or rather desktop sync I mean Aug 21 21:13:36 HP TouchPad is #7 trending topics Aug 21 21:13:39 like, all day Aug 21 21:15:53 webOS finally breaks through! Aug 21 21:17:04 swan song Aug 21 21:17:22 woot Aug 21 21:18:11 woot woot Aug 21 21:18:32 now I have xmas gifts for my nephews Aug 21 21:18:51 thanks for the link Ziplock Aug 21 21:19:29 Bmyers: I'd call it a dead cat bounce. Aug 21 21:19:57 lol Aug 21 21:20:13 i'm still trying to understand the wisdom of canceling a 7 weeks old product Aug 21 21:20:18 anyone know yet difference between FB454UT and FB454UA ? Aug 21 21:20:38 oh dear, missed Ziplock's link :D Aug 21 21:20:50 Bmyers: It makes even less sense for us in Australia. Canned 4 days after release. Aug 21 21:21:19 ziplock503: Thanks!! Just ordered 3 32GB Aug 21 21:21:49 it wasn't even released in Spain Aug 21 21:21:52 first email from the MS-recruiting-webOS-devs thing... these guys are super serious! Aug 21 21:23:16 akanster: YES! it does break through! Aug 21 21:23:44 lol only 6 16GB left in stock Aug 21 21:23:59 macmall's site is dead Aug 21 21:24:01 twbbas: they have some? Aug 21 21:24:07 peer pressure... order placed :( Aug 21 21:24:08 down to 5 now. 4. 321 sold! Aug 21 21:24:09 pakl: yep Aug 21 21:24:09 twbbas: or is that in the past? Aug 21 21:24:13 twbbas: who? Aug 21 21:24:15 pakl: amazon Aug 21 21:24:20 pakl: http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8/ref=sr_1_16?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20&ie=UTF8&m=A33Y0YQUZ2NYD5&s=electronics&qid=1313960543&sr=1-16 Aug 21 21:24:33 BOUGHT Aug 21 21:24:49 2 left Aug 21 21:25:18 twbbas: NO PROBLEM Aug 21 21:25:35 i snagged a 16gb Aug 21 21:25:39 Order placed... wow, I thought they were all out Aug 21 21:26:14 still 2 left..... i cant believe it lasted this long! almost a whole 2 minutes so far Aug 21 21:27:41 plov: Googling FB454UA returns nothing... Aug 21 21:27:55 plov: did you see that model number somewhere? Aug 21 21:28:23 wow Aug 21 21:28:24 http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals Aug 21 21:28:27 15 available Aug 21 21:28:39 just bought one Aug 21 21:28:43 they wouldn't ship to hawaii tho Aug 21 21:28:49 had to have it shipped to my sister in virginia Aug 21 21:28:55 * dwc- has 2 in cart. Aug 21 21:29:15 32g are now gone Aug 21 21:29:45 Bah, US only. Aug 21 21:30:46 I scored a 32 Aug 21 21:30:55 by default, you WILL make money off of it Aug 21 21:31:07 pakl: FB454UA is what's been selling, FB454UT is what's popping up now a days Aug 21 21:31:19 i think UT is the small business version? and UA is home version? Aug 21 21:31:57 or maybe its exactly the same except they wanted to use two different skus Aug 21 21:31:59 or it's a typo Aug 21 21:32:08 dwc-: it's not a typo Aug 21 21:32:20 you see the 2 different sku's all over, even on hp.com Aug 21 21:33:09 probably uses different screen manufacturers Aug 21 21:33:12 Hmmm, have one in my cart too - but of course, "can't ship to sweden"... blablabla. Aug 21 21:33:37 fxspec06: yea probably some hardware componenet difference, otherwise they look the same spec last i checked Aug 21 21:35:26 here link saying some sites say smartbuy http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/HP-SmartBuy-TouchPad-Wi-Fi-64GB/2461878.aspx Aug 21 21:35:39 Dan it Aug 21 21:35:41 yea usually smartbuy is used with UT Aug 21 21:35:53 wubi wont install either Aug 21 21:35:57 that sucks Aug 21 21:36:18 "smartbuy"? Aug 21 21:36:21 so... Aug 21 21:36:46 how the hell can I install ubuntu on TP without linux on pc Aug 21 21:36:50 The HP Smart Buy program offers mainstream business solutions at competitive prices with amazing savings, excellent availability, and superior HP quality." Aug 21 21:37:26 ya pretty much what i noticed UT is being sold as small business UA is home Aug 21 21:37:42 whatever the real difference is... who knows Aug 21 21:37:42 some more info Aug 21 21:37:43 Consumer Vs. Corporate Model. Identical Hardware. Simply put, both have different serials to keep track of sales for HP. Aug 21 21:37:44 Remember when you all signed up for HP Waitlist. Aug 21 21:37:44 It asked PERSONAL or BUSINESS. Same thing here folks. Aug 21 21:37:53 ahh Aug 21 21:38:31 Eurostore still ridiculously high price. Aug 21 21:38:53 08-21 14:33 < siestacat> how the hell can I install ubuntu on TP without linux on pc Aug 21 21:39:01 have you tried Linux in VirtualBox? Aug 21 21:39:06 yeh Aug 21 21:39:09 these ppl keep adding more for sale Aug 21 21:39:10 problem is Aug 21 21:39:16 everyone's getting them right now Aug 21 21:39:19 virtual cant network Aug 21 21:39:37 i feel like stock is catching up with demand by the time hp restocks... Aug 21 21:39:46 it screws up my regular network bemjb Aug 21 21:39:55 so... I'm kind of screwed Aug 21 21:39:56 siestacat: that's odd. Aug 21 21:40:02 yeah Aug 21 21:40:04 so... Aug 21 21:40:14 I need ubuntu on tp Aug 21 21:40:19 siestacat: did you try using NAT mode instead of bridged mode or vice versa? Aug 21 21:40:40 no, I mean it just kills my regular network Aug 21 21:41:34 siestacat: I meant in the virtualbox settings, to see if one of them doesn't cause you network problems Aug 21 21:41:52 siestacat: can you run the webOS emu without problems? Aug 21 21:42:31 yes Aug 21 21:42:38 bemjb Aug 21 21:45:02 siestacat: did you try setting up a Linux VM with the same network settings as the webOS VM? Aug 21 21:45:41 I cant network on palm one Aug 21 21:46:26 bemjb Aug 21 21:48:57 gah can't open veer with lotiony hands Aug 21 21:49:46 siestacat: you could use a virtualbox shared folder to copy files to the Linux VM, even if it doesn't have networking, and then you could still use it to setup Ubuntu on the touchpad Aug 21 21:50:12 thats really complicated... Aug 21 21:50:32 siestacat: you could see if anyone in #webos-internals has better ideas Aug 21 21:50:59 ok, thanks for your input Aug 21 21:51:03 siestacat: I don't actually have a windows machine that isn't a VM, all of my boxes are running Mac OS X or Linux. Aug 21 21:55:35 twbbas: ping Aug 21 21:55:53 Tibfib_: wudup Aug 21 21:56:00 hey did you try the new ipk? Aug 21 21:56:31 new ipk? Aug 21 21:56:36 never got an email Aug 21 21:56:49 oh wait is it in preware Aug 21 21:57:14 yep Aug 21 21:58:27 FYI, Amazon is now selling the 32gb TP again. Links @ http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862#edit41815736 Aug 21 21:59:46 dang Aug 21 22:00:01 funny reading the slickdeals thread damn near 600 pages Aug 21 22:00:17 it has been renewed twice Aug 21 22:00:22 getting like 10,000 posts Aug 21 22:01:47 Tibfib_: the list looks good Aug 21 22:01:51 I can't test it that much right now Aug 21 22:02:10 I like the unread orange marker Aug 21 22:02:11 more $100 TPs. - http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/HP_TouchPad_Tablet/FB454UTABA/11394713/ Aug 21 22:03:47 so interesting poll: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3226552 Aug 21 22:03:53 60% just wanted a tablet Aug 21 22:03:57 60% are users Aug 21 22:04:11 18% want it for android Aug 21 22:04:22 and 5% wanted it because it was a webos tablet Aug 21 22:04:39 uhh Aug 21 22:04:47 "Money, Money, Money - Hoping for profit." Aug 21 22:04:49 lols Aug 21 22:04:51 that's a lot of percentages Aug 21 22:04:53 where's the 80% of greedy bastards buying a bunch to resell Aug 21 22:05:01 dwc-: that was 5% Aug 21 22:05:04 thats only like 5% Aug 21 22:05:08 you're bad at percentages mate Aug 21 22:05:15 I don't believe that! Aug 21 22:05:17 5% bought 80% Aug 21 22:05:22 hahaaha Aug 21 22:05:35 this is SLICKDEALS Aug 21 22:05:36 it was funny last night when i saw an add for "starting at 399" Aug 21 22:05:37 If you haven't seen, the Libyan civil war is ending Aug 21 22:05:43 * haeffb going to put one on a shelf in a closet and leave it there for 20 years Aug 21 22:05:54 but honestly, 60% of them just wanting a tablet and the touchpad being it --- that's awesome Aug 21 22:05:55 haeffb: My brother had that idea lol. Keep it unopened Aug 21 22:05:56 they buy stuff that they don't need, just because it's cheap, and to resell to fund their continuing habit Aug 21 22:06:07 I migth do that with my second one also Aug 21 22:06:23 one guy at NYC dev day took his free Pre2 and had all the Palm folks sign the box. Aug 21 22:06:36 nice lol Aug 21 22:06:37 sweet Aug 21 22:06:38 jrabbit: Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi called on Libyan Arab tribes to come to the defense of Tripoli and "cleanse" it of rebel forces. Aug 21 22:06:45 that kind of "over" ? Aug 21 22:07:40 dwc-: yes Aug 21 22:07:47 haeffb: nice Aug 21 22:07:50 dwc-: His sons have surrendered Aug 21 22:07:51 that doesn't seem very "ending" to me Aug 21 22:08:51 not as important as cheap touchpads OBVIOUSLY Aug 21 22:09:02 I know, right? Aug 21 22:09:26 lol Aug 21 22:09:43 well im glad you got one dwc- so you can work on wirc :) Aug 21 22:10:11 well thanks hp Aug 21 22:10:47 anyone else screwed by the price drop Aug 21 22:10:53 or get lucky Aug 21 22:11:05 codeslaw: a number of people were screwed by it Aug 21 22:11:16 * oil personally wasnt, but does know a few that were Aug 21 22:11:23 add me to the screwed list Aug 21 22:11:29 lol Aug 21 22:11:36 codeslaw: welcome to the club! Aug 21 22:11:43 return/refund not an option? Aug 21 22:11:52 no as in, i can't get one Aug 21 22:11:57 they are all sold out Aug 21 22:12:02 nope Aug 21 22:12:09 http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals Aug 21 22:12:14 http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals Aug 21 22:12:28 oh, 16gb is gone Aug 21 22:12:33 32 is still live Aug 21 22:12:34 oh well there we go Aug 21 22:12:36 slickdeals is making so much money off these referral links Aug 21 22:12:38 "more buying choices" Aug 21 22:12:52 onSale 16gb $99 Aug 21 22:12:56 I still see the 16gb and the 32gb from onsale on amazon Aug 21 22:12:58 oil: yeah just saw that Aug 21 22:13:02 codeslaw: go quick Aug 21 22:13:10 thank god for slickdeals and amazon Aug 21 22:13:27 people are getting ripped off on ebay Aug 21 22:13:34 amazon: the website that NEVER GOES DOWN Aug 21 22:13:41 nope Aug 21 22:13:46 what the heck Aug 21 22:13:47 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862#edit41815736 Aug 21 22:13:52 remember when anon tried to take them down, and they were just like "oh, little spike in traffic?" Aug 21 22:13:55 people keep editing the wiki to put back links to webosbuzz Aug 21 22:14:41 Tibfib_: to be perfectly honest... between the two links... "buy a $1 app, and then learn how to do it" versus "follow these concise step by step directions" ... Aug 21 22:14:51 guess which one is going to be more popular Aug 21 22:14:55 webosbuzz? Aug 21 22:14:55 dwc-: webosbuzz is a WAREZ site Aug 21 22:15:02 Tibfib: I am aware of this. Aug 21 22:15:08 I'm just saying Aug 21 22:15:10 ah Aug 21 22:15:21 dwc-: warez sites shouldn't be promoted. Aug 21 22:15:23 the linked thread, is a lot better documentation Aug 21 22:15:26 regardless. Aug 21 22:15:51 write up a (better) wiki page? Aug 21 22:16:38 if there's no (free) alternative to the directions that are there, I'll bet you that page will keep coming back Aug 21 22:17:21 Bajan: ping Aug 21 22:17:44 really Tibfib_? it is a warez site? Aug 21 22:17:53 yes Aug 21 22:18:05 ok, ordered 2o f them Aug 21 22:18:25 codeslaw: nice Aug 21 22:18:47 fuck hp =( Aug 21 22:18:50 I ordered 2 of the 16gb also heh Aug 21 22:18:58 what do they distribute Aug 21 22:19:11 webos apps? Aug 21 22:19:15 yes Aug 21 22:19:21 =O Aug 21 22:19:43 * fxspec06 silences himself from ever speaking the name again Aug 21 22:21:39 hm Aug 21 22:24:16 just picked up 2 from amazon Aug 21 22:25:34 http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&qid=1313965318&sr=8-28 Aug 21 22:25:35 32gb Aug 21 22:27:51 fxspec06: That says "SmartBuy TouchPad." Is it legit? The seller says HP so it must be... Aug 21 22:27:55 and that doesn't come up in search Aug 21 22:28:01 twbbas: lol Aug 21 22:28:16 My name is Henry Pock. I go by my initials "HP". Aug 21 22:28:24 I just so happen to sell Hewlett-Packard products Aug 21 22:28:28 haha Aug 21 22:28:53 smart buy is legit Aug 21 22:28:57 it's legit Aug 21 22:29:04 gnah Aug 21 22:29:05 http://www.costcentral.com/internationalorders.php Aug 21 22:29:09 I ordered 3 of them so I hope so Aug 21 22:29:10 lol Aug 21 22:29:18 ships and sold by onSale Aug 21 22:29:22 feedback rating: five stars Aug 21 22:29:25 http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i139/pablocruze/chances-candy-van-legit-demotivatio.jpg Aug 21 22:29:26 13842 ratings Aug 21 22:29:45 lol, read the review Aug 21 22:30:10 3.6lbs? Aug 21 22:30:20 that's the whole box and everything while the unit is 1.6, right? Aug 21 22:30:31 yeah Aug 21 22:30:44 fxspec06: two for the price of one. Aug 21 22:30:45 sooo what the heck is the difference between liking a post and thanking someone for a post? Aug 21 22:30:51 why would they both exist? Aug 21 22:31:03 Tibfib_: Liking means you liked what they posted. Thanks means they helped you. Aug 21 22:31:04 i dunno cause of facebook Aug 21 22:31:08 I could like it and still be all "f you, loser." Aug 21 22:31:37 twbbas: why can't you just have it be a like? Aug 21 22:31:44 you can like it if they helped you... Aug 21 22:31:48 Tibfib_: true Aug 21 22:31:49 Tibfib_ Aug 21 22:31:54 That's why I'm not a forum developer Aug 21 22:31:55 lol Aug 21 22:31:55 so, RImshot app? Aug 21 22:31:56 you can thank it if they like it Aug 21 22:32:01 IGNTNUNLMTD: lemme email dan Aug 21 22:32:06 :-D Aug 21 22:32:22 lol rimshot Aug 21 22:32:30 Rimshaht* Aug 21 22:32:32 that's what any articles on slashdot about RIM get tagged Aug 21 22:32:34 So is anyone else rushing to get their app submitted and/or update by today? Aug 21 22:32:36 hahaha YES Aug 21 22:32:43 Tibfib great name Aug 21 22:32:53 or just "Bad Joke" Aug 21 22:32:55 lol Aug 21 22:34:40 not that it's any surprising, touchpad is both #1 and #2 on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3063224011/ref=pd_ts_zgc_e_3063224011_morl?pf_rd_p=1309832882&pf_rd_s=right-4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=1232597011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0CN9N540Q8SDPTCAVR98 Aug 21 22:34:56 hey guys Aug 21 22:34:58 http://twitter.com/#!/JakeMorrison24/status/105399638093340672 Aug 21 22:35:07 if any of you are interesting i'd like to get a mailing list together Aug 21 22:35:11 i've already got one and myself Aug 21 22:36:27 Jake_M: I'd do it if others are in Aug 21 22:36:31 Jake_M: good idea Aug 21 22:36:44 go for it Aug 21 22:36:59 i'm not one for editing wikis, but will be glad to provide info about apps ive worked on when needed Aug 21 22:37:03 send an email to jake.morrison24@gmail.com Aug 21 22:37:06 yeah oil thats great too Aug 21 22:37:07 maybe people in #webos-internals might be more interested Aug 21 22:37:09 we can get updated info from you Aug 21 22:37:10 same here oil Aug 21 22:37:28 i mean the part about not editing wikis Aug 21 22:37:59 Jake_M: mailing list? make a twitter list. Aug 21 22:38:14 whats the best way to go about that? Aug 21 22:38:20 can i mention an entire list at one time? Aug 21 22:38:54 IGNTNUNLMTD: email sent Aug 21 22:38:54 https://support.twitter.com/entries/76460-how-to-use-twitter-lists Aug 21 22:38:58 excellent Aug 21 22:39:33 can't wait Aug 21 22:39:35 :-) Aug 21 22:39:35 to dan Aug 21 22:39:48 I think he'll be in Aug 21 22:39:55 lol Aug 21 22:39:57 I mentioned in a PS I'd be sending him over a donation soon ;) Aug 21 22:39:58 http://s3.postimage.org/2f7pmk6f8/gnomes.jpg Aug 21 22:40:03 okay so they'd be in my list... Aug 21 22:40:11 but is there a way i can communicate to them directly? Aug 21 22:40:14 if anyone here buys a touchpad, ill buy it from you Aug 21 22:40:18 for $150 Aug 21 22:40:19 np Aug 21 22:40:21 :( Aug 21 22:40:26 even if u opened it Aug 21 22:40:48 matbee: amazon Aug 21 22:40:52 no cc# Aug 21 22:40:54 http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals Aug 21 22:40:59 oh Aug 21 22:41:29 then how are you going to pay anyone? Aug 21 22:41:38 right ^ Aug 21 22:42:04 with apps Aug 21 22:42:08 and is that a 16gb or a 32gb :p Aug 21 22:42:14 matbee: go get a PP visa from convenience store Aug 21 22:42:21 :) Aug 21 22:42:22 dwc-: says 32 Aug 21 22:42:32 twbbas: he didn't say 32 Aug 21 22:42:56 oh you didn't mean that link Aug 21 22:42:59 you meant matbee buying Aug 21 22:43:00 lol Aug 21 22:43:15 http://twitter.com/#!/JakeMorrison24/woi-wiki-update/members -- 3 so far helping out some way or another. this won't be too hard! Aug 21 22:43:16 dwc-: 15 are available too Aug 21 22:43:26 yea. 50 seems a little steep markup but might be reasonable given a lack of contractual agreement to buy, etc. Aug 21 22:43:32 but 0 seems to be a little low Aug 21 22:43:41 WOI? Aug 21 22:43:50 * oil always prefered WI as the short, but apples and oranges Aug 21 22:43:55 wosi Aug 21 22:44:07 oh right Aug 21 22:44:09 whatever Aug 21 22:44:10 lol Aug 21 22:44:18 wosi is best Aug 21 22:44:22 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3226916 -- oh noes! Aug 21 22:44:27 At least you didn't put a dash between webos and internals Aug 21 22:44:30 anyone know of a HP # that is open at the time? Aug 21 22:44:35 webos-INTERNALZ Aug 21 22:44:56 akanster: ? Aug 21 22:44:59 where is the internalz team i love freetether Aug 21 22:45:00 OMG Aug 21 22:45:04 Tibfib: "The WebOs" Aug 21 22:45:07 i have to show you guys this hilarious email i got for webos world support Aug 21 22:45:09 if named now, would it be webos-internahs Aug 21 22:45:17 Tibfib: feels like trolling but the Kev Master wouldn't do that. Dunno tho Aug 21 22:45:18 webahs internals Aug 21 22:45:27 * oil <3 hilarious emails Aug 21 22:45:33 i probably shouldn't say his name but i'll just post the email Aug 21 22:45:33 akanster: hp never said they were discontinuing Aug 21 22:45:33 Jake_M: lower case 'w' in webOS Aug 21 22:45:34 it Aug 21 22:45:47 Your phones information (DO NOT ERASE, IT WILL ONLY MAKE THINGS HARDER) App version 1.2.3 ATT Pixi 1.4.5 Tell us what's wrong below and we'll try to respond immediately! My teather app is gone Aug 21 22:45:58 akanster: NOT when its part of "WebOS Internals" Aug 21 22:46:01 i... Aug 21 22:46:16 oil: DONT CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS! Aug 21 22:46:32 Jake_M: lollll Aug 21 22:47:21 amazon still not selling out. wonder if the market is getting saturated Aug 21 22:47:33 dwc- its the top 2 selling tablets on amazon lol Aug 21 22:48:17 i think that by the time HP restocks, stock will meet demand Aug 21 22:49:05 plov: but for how long? Aug 21 22:49:17 too bad apoteker doesnt like hardware Aug 21 22:49:22 too bad he replaced hurd Aug 21 22:49:32 he's a plum Aug 21 22:49:35 fxspec06: well probably in a few days, but yea i doubt it'll sell out in an hour or so like it has been Aug 21 22:49:45 but obviously not interested in anything but sw Aug 21 22:50:17 maybe samsung/htc/amazon/someone will license it Aug 21 22:50:19 because you can even see right now that things aren't being sold out Aug 21 22:51:01 i bet it's mostly the people looking to resell finally gave up because they see ebay being saturated Aug 21 22:51:41 get full android running on it and I bet the value will go up Aug 21 22:51:52 oil: facebooks sounds like a great suitor Aug 21 22:51:57 facebook* Aug 21 22:52:08 that sounds like a bad idea Aug 21 22:52:08 lol Aug 21 22:52:13 i dont want facebook taking over my webos Aug 21 22:52:32 lol Aug 21 22:52:34 meh, they already tried to make a phone. Aug 21 22:52:36 [Old Joke] FaceBook to announce the new FacePalm phone Aug 21 22:52:40 dwc-: i doubt it, majority of the people are buying for the price not because of hoping to get android on it, most people aren't that tech savvy Aug 21 22:53:17 how do you cancel a HP small business order -_- Aug 21 22:53:25 the site doesn't have the option Aug 21 22:53:37 oil: http://almaer.com/blog/facebook-webos-playing-to-win - he explains he better than I can Aug 21 22:53:39 btw guys is there a way to remove the facebook touchpad icon on the touchpad...my friend does use it lol Aug 21 22:53:45 plov: certainly, but some people will find more value in it after it's been hacked to run more stuff Aug 21 22:53:51 http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/2558663628.html Aug 21 22:53:53 lol Aug 21 22:53:54 don't lowball Aug 21 22:53:55 e.g. nook color+android Aug 21 22:54:10 this dude is asking $260 for this 32gb Aug 21 22:54:11 rofl Aug 21 22:54:20 the people who are even remotely smart enough to put android on it already got it Aug 21 22:54:21 i hope he chokes Aug 21 22:54:40 plov: I haven't bought a nook color Aug 21 22:54:48 i meant the touchpad Aug 21 22:55:10 no but like look even now, it's not selling out fast anymore + restocking coming in from HP Aug 21 22:55:39 i'm pretty sure it'll level off now and sell out in a few days after re-stock as oppose to a few hours Aug 21 22:56:22 Jake_M: @haeffb Aug 21 22:56:31 and maybe it'll turn out that this 100/150 pricing is what ets them all sold Aug 21 22:56:33 thanks homie Aug 21 22:56:47 without them ahving to drop it by 50/week and give refunds until they're all gone Aug 21 22:57:09 oh yea thats wild, did staples actually sell any for 50$ ?? Aug 21 22:57:19 because they lowered their pricing to 50$ lol Aug 21 22:57:25 here's the thing guys Aug 21 22:57:32 does webOS appeal MORE or LESS to developers? Aug 21 22:57:32 really? I thought they were all sold out well before $50 Aug 21 22:57:40 than? Aug 21 22:57:42 there's more devices now, but like..is it worth the tradeoff Aug 21 22:58:08 to me, it's easier to develop for webos Aug 21 22:58:38 but idk i'm learning atm, but the SDK tools is crap, but the platform is easier Aug 21 22:58:41 compared to android Aug 21 22:58:42 there's still a smaller potential market than the other platforms Aug 21 22:59:12 and there's still the uncertain future factor Aug 21 22:59:51 so I would say... is it better than friday? yes. better than last week? don't know. Aug 21 23:00:19 Jake_M: you should be able to delete facebook like any other application (hold the icon) Aug 21 23:00:21 whats the primary revenue for webos apps? pay to download or using adsense? Aug 21 23:00:29 well its weird... Aug 21 23:00:41 depends on the app Aug 21 23:00:44 the default 'app' was a link to the HP webos app Aug 21 23:00:46 catalog Aug 21 23:00:50 so we downloaded it and you can't delete it Aug 21 23:00:51 lol Aug 21 23:00:58 angry birds... all pay to download :) Aug 21 23:00:58 hrm. Aug 21 23:01:20 dwc-: well like for ios, it's pay to download is what developers learn towards, while android its free+ads Aug 21 23:01:36 I get the X when I hold it, but haven't actually tried deleting Aug 21 23:01:41 since ios users are more likely to pay Aug 21 23:02:28 I guess you'd have to find someone with a functional 'lite' ad-supported version and a paid version to find out Aug 21 23:02:44 most of you guys are going for paid versions? Aug 21 23:02:54 * haeffb hasn't seen many ad-supported webOS apps Aug 21 23:02:58 * dwc- is the author of 0 apps Aug 21 23:03:06 * twbbas prefers in-app items in free apps Aug 21 23:03:20 of course, I religiously avoid ad-supported apps when possible Aug 21 23:03:35 twbbas: free apps meaning no form of revenue / no ads at all? Aug 21 23:03:39 I'm more likely to try free apps Aug 21 23:03:46 plov: Yes Aug 21 23:03:46 even if they have ads Aug 21 23:04:02 plov: My app has no ads in it. Just in-app items to buy more level packs. Aug 21 23:04:22 is adsense integration a pain? Aug 21 23:04:27 It's easy Aug 21 23:04:31 ok Aug 21 23:04:34 it's probably just like adding it to a webpage =] Aug 21 23:04:45 We've found that advertising our own paid apps is better than advertising with admob/adsense Aug 21 23:05:00 well no you'd have to get the right control to wrap it that has a X button to get rid of the ad Aug 21 23:05:07 haeffb: that's also because there aren't many ad SDKs available to us. Aug 21 23:05:08 because you dont want the ad staying there 24/7 Aug 21 23:15:55 okay i'm starting to think that a free version is the way to go Aug 21 23:16:10 fxspec06, heya :) Aug 21 23:16:21 i think i'm gonna do a free version of wildn HD, with stripped down features / etc Aug 21 23:16:23 waht you guys think? Aug 21 23:16:26 hi NuSuey Aug 21 23:17:25 fxspec06, duno if making a thread on a forum is a good idea :) so many people wanting the HP tablet, so i so or so woulnt have a chance.. Aug 21 23:18:15 well I know that there's LOTS of people who have extras Aug 21 23:18:20 just ordered 2 32GB touchpads :o Aug 21 23:18:23 so maybe you can start a thread and be like Aug 21 23:18:30 dwc-: The problem is that they don't accept intl credit cards :S Aug 21 23:18:34 "How many of you have extra TouchPads?" Aug 21 23:18:47 and then see if you can buy one off someone, and explain why Aug 21 23:18:52 I swear, I should just not support any users ever Aug 21 23:19:00 And... I'd really like a 32gber Aug 21 23:19:09 NuttyBunny_Pre2: can you buy one of those prepaid credit card things? Aug 21 23:19:09 nutty: you can get one on amazon Aug 21 23:19:18 oh nvm i didnt read ur last post Aug 21 23:19:41 fxspec06, uh.. maybe i'll try that.. but.. dunno.. feels not exactly my thing..begging so somebody can send me one :) Aug 21 23:19:54 NuttyBunny_Pre2: http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS Aug 21 23:19:56 Still in stock Aug 21 23:19:57 btw.. nobody around here has a spare HP touhpad? :) Aug 21 23:20:09 *touchpa Aug 21 23:20:09 d Aug 21 23:20:10 I'm driving right now, may try later :S Aug 21 23:20:25 NuttyBunny_Pre2: It's a low-trafficked link so you'll be good Aug 21 23:20:28 It's been in stock for a few hours there Aug 21 23:20:36 NuSuey: still expensive in the eu Aug 21 23:20:43 there's no way amazon will ship to (Slovakia) ? Aug 21 23:20:52 yea, when are those pre3's going to come down to like $50 ;) Aug 21 23:20:57 maybe they will go down over there, who knows Aug 21 23:20:58 fxspec06, oh you said you have no money? if you gave me your adress i could send it to your adress and then you would send it to me :P Aug 21 23:20:59 fxspec06: The "Smart Buy" TouchPad is sold by OnSale Aug 21 23:21:01 so maybe Aug 21 23:21:03 or, 50 gbp or whatever Aug 21 23:21:18 twbbas: is there a 32gb there? I might as well go all the way Aug 21 23:21:22 NuttyBunny_Pre2: Yes Aug 21 23:21:27 fxspec06, no. i get an error message that it cannot be send to that adress Aug 21 23:21:29 NuttyBunny_Pre2: That link was to the 32 Aug 21 23:21:32 hmm, but how would you trust me? =P Aug 21 23:21:37 NuSuey: Have you tried the OnSale one? http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS Aug 21 23:21:41 It's not sold by Amazon Aug 21 23:21:56 twbbas, yeah tried it. give me the error message that it cannot be send to that adress Aug 21 23:22:16 how much is shipping from massachusetts to EU Aug 21 23:22:22 Ah, yes, I saw the first one, not this one. I'll try in a few mins. Thanks!! Aug 21 23:22:33 WTT> cheap touchpad for cheap uk pre3 Aug 21 23:22:41 NuttyBunny_Pre2: no problemo Aug 21 23:22:43 fxspec06, hmhmhm true :/ allready bought one time to a ex-coworker something, that he should send to me.. he never send it -.- he started to use it and .. said just sorry :D great :/ :D Aug 21 23:23:00 fxspec06, i have no clue how much can it be :) Aug 21 23:24:04 is there a good comic book viewer app for webos? for cbr or cbz files? Aug 21 23:24:28 Flat Rate Box to Slovak Republic (Slovakia) Aug 21 23:24:32 USPS is $58 Aug 21 23:24:38 for large box Aug 21 23:24:39 ouch Aug 21 23:24:41 uncola: comicshelf is by a popular homebrewer Aug 21 23:24:43 USPS-Produced Large Box: 12" x 12" x 5-1/2" or 23-11/16" x 11-3/4" x 3" Aug 21 23:24:49 nto sure what the size of a touchpad box is Aug 21 23:25:18 hah.. so the shipping is like more than half of the price of the tablet -.- Aug 21 23:25:20 next size down is 13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2". Aug 21 23:25:48 wait so the onsale one is genuine? Aug 21 23:25:56 aww no longer available Aug 21 23:26:02 if you send it first class instead of priority... as little as $26 Aug 21 23:26:06 (does not include insurance) Aug 21 23:26:07 http://www.exquisitetweets.com/tweets?eids=hWWakeYVKD.hWWa5S2nlY.hWWeg48220.hWWeIK2ccT.hWWmtEVHZA.hWWnHFaBoG.hWWJCc4K5c.hWWLizu25R.hWWSyZdDAO.hWW2k0fbcO.hWXaN4s0NU.hWXfd2u6qy.hWXnlI8hUH.hWXp99ViCG.hWXsJTxUJw.hWXt6t0H5E.hWXv13oq8A.hWXBaxB0MK.hWXDtUKh89.hWXDWKrV9h.hWXEIyIWqW.hWXGaieQVz.hWXHaavBRs.hWXOjPgkDs.hWXTq3p9fE.hWXY6UVu8a.hWXZ8OnnuE.hWX5UsXfIy.hWX9oBmqom.hWYmQV7GBE.hWYofkqmWW.hWYxAER3eK.hWYC9OfrmC.hWYKVPo3O0.hWY4mL21qS Aug 21 23:26:10 Whoa Aug 21 23:26:19 I give up Aug 21 23:27:05 26 dolars ? not so much Aug 21 23:28:06 ups/fedex want things like city names and postal codes... too much work Aug 21 23:28:26 do fedex have anything like, redirect shipping? Aug 21 23:28:29 automatic? Aug 21 23:28:38 what is redirect shipping Aug 21 23:28:39 Tibfib: are you sure onSale has them in stock or are you assuming they update their stock quantity with amazon? :| Aug 21 23:28:48 idk if it even exists Aug 21 23:29:04 lol like you send to fedex and they redirect it to another country? Aug 21 23:29:05 yay Aug 21 23:29:12 fxspec06: It exists. Aug 21 23:29:15 thank you for family in the US Aug 21 23:29:16 fxspec06: it's not a fedex thing though Aug 21 23:29:19 TP ordered Aug 21 23:29:24 fxspec06: tehre are companies that do that Aug 21 23:29:45 http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals Aug 21 23:29:48 try googling for "US Mailing address shipping forward service" or something Aug 21 23:29:50 do they cost a lot of money? NuSuey would like to order from AZ Aug 21 23:29:59 amazon* (not arizona( Aug 21 23:30:11 fxspec06, what costs a lot of money? Aug 21 23:30:13 I know people use stuff like that to order things from japan too Aug 21 23:30:39 NuSuey: https://bongous.com/ Aug 21 23:31:03 fxspec06, oh. heard about bongous .. heard its the most expensive etc.. etc Aug 21 23:31:15 NuSuey: http://www.shipito.com/ and http://myus2.myus.com/ and http://www.usglobalmail.com/ Aug 21 23:31:34 idk which one would be best, but you wouldn't have to worry about me stealing your touchpad. and i wouldn't be liable either Aug 21 23:31:37 3 lb package to mexico from us is $58 Aug 21 23:31:51 fxspec06, but.. its so, people will buy the touchpad.. and people will maybe sell it after some weeks.. (maybe) so .. its not a big priority now.. but would love to have one such tablet for such price Aug 21 23:31:54 3lb package to slovakia is $138 Aug 21 23:32:05 jezus Aug 21 23:32:07 damn! wow Aug 21 23:32:07 3 lb package from mexico 56,000 Aug 21 23:32:09 wow Aug 21 23:33:17 the shipping costs are funny -.- Aug 21 23:33:39 Bmyers: 56000 yuan? Aug 21 23:33:45 shipitto is a lot cheaper Aug 21 23:34:03 lowest was $16.86, takes 15 - 25 business days Aug 21 23:34:06 oh crap. its 1:30 am allready here Aug 21 23:34:17 should go to sleep. need to wake up in a few hours Aug 21 23:34:23 USPS Priority mail int'l is #35.55 in 6 - 10 days Aug 21 23:34:53 for 3lb package Aug 21 23:35:09 fxspec06, thats from shipitto? guess i'll check it in the work. my eyes hurt.. need to go to sleep .. tablet must wait Aug 21 23:35:18 lol well good luck Aug 21 23:35:32 hope you get what you want and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg Aug 21 23:35:32 must be talking about the hp tablet Aug 21 23:35:47 i'm in singapore, so i'm using comgateway Aug 21 23:35:50 yeah. i'll need it. guess we'll see us here on the channel. didnt knew there is a #webos channel on freenode.net Aug 21 23:36:41 more ppl in #touchdroid than i've ever seen in #webos Aug 21 23:36:47 so.. 1:32 am.. going to sleep guys ;) see you in a few hours Aug 21 23:37:34 lol must they really load android on tp? i think the current os just need abit more optimizing and we're good Aug 21 23:38:11 CYeong__: i would expect to see more release from them then i would from hp Aug 21 23:38:16 http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0056UOUC8/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1 Aug 21 23:38:21 lol, the pictures attached to the touchpad Aug 21 23:38:29 twbbas: Ordered a 32Gb one, hope it gets fulfilled and delivered :D Aug 21 23:38:41 dude holding a snake? Aug 21 23:38:59 I did the same, NuttyBunny_Pre2. Aug 21 23:39:02 From Amazon? Aug 21 23:39:09 well screw hp, i'm betting on palm webos :P Aug 21 23:39:29 palm webos? Aug 21 23:39:45 new company i haven't heard of? Aug 21 23:39:57 hyperperforator: well, that link isn't ordering from amazon, it's ordering from onSale through amazon Aug 21 23:39:58 hi everybody Aug 21 23:40:06 yeah, thats what I did too Aug 21 23:40:09 fingers crossed :( Aug 21 23:40:09 hyperperforator: that's why i'm worried they're already out of stock and amazon just isn't aware Aug 21 23:40:13 I"LL HAVE A TOUCHPAD TOMORROW! Aug 21 23:40:22 Tibfib: through who? Aug 21 23:40:31 dev discount a week ago Aug 21 23:40:36 nice Aug 21 23:40:48 how much? Aug 21 23:40:50 Tommy, yeah, flip. i hope they ship them. How long do these things uusally take to update? Aug 21 23:40:54 $200 Aug 21 23:41:05 not bad. enjoy it Aug 21 23:41:29 it's an hour and a half away if I drove there Aug 21 23:41:41 hyperperforator: depends on when the shop updates their stock Aug 21 23:41:41 bah, it was there on friday Aug 21 23:42:49 ah, so i guess we'll be waiting a while :( Aug 21 23:43:25 words on slick deals is that onsale orders might get canceled Aug 21 23:43:49 nooo :( Aug 21 23:43:52 whys that CYeong__ Aug 21 23:44:05 also, plz2link Aug 21 23:44:11 the sale is available for too long Aug 21 23:44:20 or, they have a load of em Aug 21 23:44:21 usually they dont last more than 5 mins Aug 21 23:44:35 orly Aug 21 23:44:37 interesting Aug 21 23:44:38 :( Aug 21 23:44:40 CYeong__: doubt it Aug 21 23:44:40 maybe thats a stuid question but.....does anybody of you think theres a minimal chance that HP will opensource webos ? or even "sell" it to the community, if "we" collect the funds neeeded ? But work out for Blender Sotware too in a smaller scale..... Aug 21 23:44:50 ELEM: very small chance Aug 21 23:44:56 ELEM, chance they will license it yeah Aug 21 23:44:57 if no one else goes for it, maybe Aug 21 23:45:08 they might sell it ... but you probably will need a ton of money :) Aug 21 23:45:13 well, hopefully they could fulfill the order(yeah i ordered one alright) Aug 21 23:45:13 why does amazon.com itself makes no fire sale? Aug 21 23:45:15 i dont see that happening unless they go bust Aug 21 23:45:18 *nods* it dont see it coming, but i'd really love to. Aug 21 23:45:19 extremely unlikely Aug 21 23:45:23 i ordered one too CYeong__ Aug 21 23:45:26 leiru: they did, yesterday Aug 21 23:45:26 fingers crossed! Aug 21 23:45:30 I guess we should know soon Aug 21 23:45:34 yep haha Aug 21 23:45:37 amazon had them on lightning deals Aug 21 23:45:50 :( Aug 21 23:46:11 i guess onsale is our last chance :-/ Aug 21 23:46:12 hyperperforator: yeah, that's what i was saying, i think they ran out of stock a long time ago and they're still taking orders Aug 21 23:46:15 sucks to be europe lol Aug 21 23:46:33 maybe the eurostore will be the next with the discounts Aug 21 23:46:40 "The 16gb version thru amazon keeps going in and out of stock, keep checking." Aug 21 23:46:42 so, youre talking but touchpad shipments ? Strange thing ist you can still buy the pre3 on ebay UK ??!! saturday a german reseller told me on the phone that they plan to ship the first pre3s out on tuesday/wednesday.... Aug 21 23:46:44 ya think HP will firesale notebooks too? Aug 21 23:46:44 so maybe they have some Aug 21 23:46:46 yea but they have even less stock in europe than us Aug 21 23:46:59 Bmyers: no. that's not being discontinued. Aug 21 23:47:32 i thought it was.. all pc stuff Aug 21 23:47:34 chuqui sayd they would try to firesale it in europe, but it would be difficult Aug 21 23:47:57 IGNTNUNLMTD, twbbas, summatusmentis, any bugs with latest version? Aug 21 23:48:14 update got approved so I can submit again Aug 21 23:48:31 no Bmyers, they're just selling their PC business Aug 21 23:48:32 i dunno, i am very tempted to buy a pre3, on the otherhand i dont wnt to suppor HP for fucking this/us up so badly.....plus: maybe you end up with a "dead-out-of-the-box" device one day. Aug 21 23:48:48 +t Aug 21 23:48:54 my typing... -.- Aug 21 23:49:49 I find it amusing the pre2 on the UK eurostore is 370, and the pre3 is only 299 Aug 21 23:50:20 out here in NZ, i doubt we'll even see the discount :( Aug 21 23:50:37 hyperperforator: lol, i' Aug 21 23:50:40 sold my pre 2 Aug 21 23:50:42 i'm in au Aug 21 23:50:47 never used it Aug 21 23:51:08 Tommy, probably the same deal there then Aug 21 23:51:17 they'll try bleed the prices until they've got too much stock Aug 21 23:51:18 lol Aug 21 23:52:02 bmyers: you didnt like it ? Aug 21 23:52:12 screen was too small. Aug 21 23:52:22 i'm old and i dont like wearing glasses.. Aug 21 23:52:30 needed a 4.2 screen. Aug 21 23:52:30 costco still has them :-/ Aug 21 23:52:50 Pro Tip: Search for "HP SmartBuy TouchPad" on Amazon and you can buy it. It's in stock I believe Aug 21 23:53:02 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0056UOUC8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A33Y0YQUZ2NYD5 Aug 21 23:53:08 kay. got the pre + here and me thinks its quite usable, even if not huge. But id kill for the anti-scratch galss, i scratched my plastic "glass" badly 2 weeks after i had it new :-/ Aug 21 23:53:10 The "SmartBuy" is just the Corporate version of the device. It's the EXACT same device as the consumer version but is just named differently to track it Aug 21 23:55:32 >:( wishing i got it from costco now, least they know they have it in stock Aug 21 23:55:34 thanks for that link. just bought one. Aug 21 23:56:49 :O my onsale one just changed to "Shipping shortly..." Aug 21 23:59:59 well now, bedtime, its 2 a.m. Aug 22 00:00:18 bye, hope you get your devices....soon....sometime.... Aug 22 00:01:04 is there a word processor app available for webos on touchpad? Aug 22 00:01:58 there is development but with what just happened, who knows. Aug 22 00:03:30 hyperperforator: how long ago did you place the onsale order? Aug 22 00:03:36 40 minutes Aug 22 00:03:40 oh wow. Aug 22 00:03:41 Onsale just dropped to out of stock Aug 22 00:03:49 via amazon or direct? Aug 22 00:03:54 Amazon Aug 22 00:03:54 I just placed one less than 10 kind agp. Aug 22 00:03:57 is this a bad thing? lol Aug 22 00:04:06 no. I was just asking :) Aug 22 00:04:09 through amazon. Aug 22 00:04:18 * jtrucks goes to check his order status Aug 22 00:04:21 well, fingers crossed Aug 22 00:04:23 i got billed Aug 22 00:04:30 s/kind/mins Aug 22 00:04:30 and it just chaanged to "shipping soon" Aug 22 00:04:49 hmm Aug 22 00:05:01 I ordered 2 from onSale as well Aug 22 00:05:05 hope it's the real deal Aug 22 00:05:10 mine still just has a shipping estimate :( Aug 22 00:05:12 are yours saying shipping soon yet? Aug 22 00:05:25 this is what im seeing" http://cl.owened.co.nz/9TzF Aug 22 00:05:43 ahhh. I see. yeah. mine has said that for a while. :P Aug 22 00:05:48 dammit Aug 22 00:05:49 lol Aug 22 00:06:11 Delivery estimate:August 25, 2011 - August 30, 2011 Aug 22 00:06:13 oh, actually, mine says, "Delivery estimate:August 25, 2011 - August 30, 2011" Aug 22 00:06:17 seeing the same thing Aug 22 00:06:21 most people are. Aug 22 00:06:32 I'm checking mine Aug 22 00:06:33 >:( i definately should have gotten the costco one Aug 22 00:06:36 7K remaining Aug 22 00:07:12 Mine says "Shipping Soon:" and then the same delivery estimate Aug 22 00:07:17 darnit Aug 22 00:07:17 lol Aug 22 00:07:22 * hyperperforator puts head in hands Aug 22 00:07:29 do videos have to be mp4 to play on tb? Aug 22 00:07:33 onsale sold out Aug 22 00:07:33 tp* Aug 22 00:07:57 the CC I used doesn't show pending transactions so I'm not sure if I got charged yet or not :P Aug 22 00:08:16 i got charged >:( Aug 22 00:08:39 i got charged Aug 22 00:08:43 and i ordered less than hour ago Aug 22 00:09:46 Dang that Smartbuy link no longer works...Currently Unavailable =( Aug 22 00:09:47 hyperperforator: that means you will get one. Aug 22 00:09:54 Anyone know of some other place to grab one from? Aug 22 00:09:59 jtrucks, you reckon? They could just reverse it couldnt they? Aug 22 00:10:03 check the slickdeals site Aug 22 00:10:03 I saw that link 8 minutes too late, it appears Aug 22 00:10:13 hyperperforator: they could, but usually that isn't how retailers work. Aug 22 00:10:24 jtrucks: Thanks, checking Aug 22 00:10:39 lol good point Aug 22 00:10:43 also, lurk about in #touchpad Aug 22 00:10:46 * hyperperforator is crossing all the fingers Aug 22 00:10:49 yeah Aug 22 00:11:05 I have two at Best Buy that I can't cancel but don't have shipping info at all and the one via onsale via amazon Aug 22 00:11:05 if it gets honeycomb... <3 Aug 22 00:11:14 hey Aug 22 00:11:19 ah yes, you are very keen on one lol Aug 22 00:11:26 sale at amazon? Aug 22 00:11:48 jtrucks: one wasnt enough? Aug 22 00:11:54 I get two at wallmart yestrrday Aug 22 00:12:10 Bmyers: 1 for me, 1 for $spouse, and 1 just in case one of the other orders doesn't get filled. :P Aug 22 00:12:38 i got 2. wifie actually wanted one Aug 22 00:12:49 we'll see how many i get.. Aug 22 00:12:53 1 bb 1 hp Aug 22 00:12:58 Let's just say that I have 3 on order Aug 22 00:13:01 s/3/6 Aug 22 00:13:08 Hoping at least one of those goes through Aug 22 00:13:11 someone in #touchpad has 9, just in case :P Aug 22 00:13:21 lol Aug 22 00:13:27 b&m Aug 22 00:14:57 9? Aug 22 00:15:09 OK he/she will be able to make significant profit on the remaining 8 if they all get delivered Aug 22 00:15:24 HQRaja: or at least break even. Aug 22 00:15:43 so, anyone know of a word processor other than Scratch Word Processor? Aug 22 00:15:48 Yup break even at the bare minimum, plus the gratitude they'd earn Aug 22 00:15:55 big time Aug 22 00:16:03 Like their friends who can't grab it for 99 can buy it off them Aug 22 00:16:08 yeah Aug 22 00:16:34 Man I wish I were in the US...I'm struggling to find it on one hand, and communicating with a friend in the US at the same time who's there to buy one for me once I find one that's available Aug 22 00:17:03 But I get too late in communicating it to him and it gets sold out within the 2 minutes 3 seconds of being posted...and it takes me like 12 seconds more to get in touch with him :\ Aug 22 00:17:47 amazon/onsale had them for at least a couple hours... Aug 22 00:17:53 He goes AFK often...he's busy with other stuff but multitasking and online for my sake so that he could buy one for me Aug 22 00:17:58 I would guess to try HP.com on monday Aug 22 00:18:15 dwc-: It was available on Amazon a few minutes back too...with the smartbuy link Aug 22 00:18:30 dwc- yeah that might be a good idea...lets see Aug 22 00:18:42 also, keep an eye on this thread Aug 22 00:18:43 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862 Aug 22 00:18:45 BTW he told me bestbuy have it in stock but aren't selling it...why'd they wanna do that? Aug 22 00:18:53 Perhaps because they bought it for way too much more than $99? Aug 22 00:18:59 Thanks dwc- Aug 22 00:19:10 HQRaja: best buy was selling them like mad earlier. Aug 22 00:19:12 Checking it out right now =) Aug 22 00:19:13 HP is out Aug 22 00:19:17 that seemed to be the case fri-sat until late Aug 22 00:19:17 yesterday they weren't selling. Aug 22 00:19:21 BB is out now, IIRC Aug 22 00:19:25 jtrucks oh OK Aug 22 00:19:58 He said it showed up in stock but not available for sale...I was like thats weird...perhaps he was mistaken Aug 22 00:22:24 whoooooooooop no more amazon deals Aug 22 00:22:46 unless there is a new one Aug 22 00:23:43 managed to snag one this afternoon Aug 22 00:23:47 HP Tablet was the 2nd most searched thing on Google an hour ago, just short of Libya Aug 22 00:23:51 Currently it's #4 thing Aug 22 00:23:55 stupid libya Aug 22 00:24:06 err, did I say that? Aug 22 00:24:13 :O Aug 22 00:24:27 * shodan45 guessed there would be a #webos on freenode :D Aug 22 00:24:36 welcoem! Aug 22 00:24:36 Been here since CES 2009 Aug 22 00:24:49 twbbas: have you been here since then? Aug 22 00:24:55 Tibfib: lmao no Aug 22 00:25:01 didn't think so Aug 22 00:25:05 I didn't remember you Aug 22 00:25:09 [08:21:58PM] -NickServ- Information on twbbas (account twbbas): Aug 22 00:25:09 [08:21:58PM] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 19 02:18:09 2010 (1 year, 26 weeks, 1 day, 22:03:50 ago) Aug 22 00:25:19 That's when I first started looking into webos development Aug 22 00:25:24 I got my Pre 2 months earlier Aug 22 00:25:57 Tibfib: You've been here a while? Aug 22 00:26:01 "Registered Jan 22 00:07:06 2010" Aug 22 00:26:04 Yeah saw that Aug 22 00:26:12 I think hung out here for a little while before that Aug 22 00:26:18 k Aug 22 00:26:24 so, I've been a linux guy for a long time... how do I / what's the best way to get a terminal on this thing? Aug 22 00:26:25 I think I remember you had to have a reigstered account to talk Aug 22 00:26:30 that's why I registered Aug 22 00:26:37 twbbas: I can't remember haha Aug 22 00:26:37 * fxspec06 has been here since september 20, 1988 Aug 22 00:26:38 lol, thing = touchpad Aug 22 00:27:58 rosetta stone on touchpad? Aug 22 00:28:21 ok so it's no so obvious to me on the emulator, how do you go back? Aug 22 00:28:34 like you open up an app that takes the whole screen how do you go home? lol Aug 22 00:28:40 I need rosetta syone Aug 22 00:28:44 stone* Aug 22 00:28:47 for tp Aug 22 00:29:16 plov: esc Aug 22 00:29:19 and home Aug 22 00:29:42 oh gees Aug 22 00:29:47 i would've never guessed that Aug 22 00:30:33 well it is in the documentation Aug 22 00:30:39 supposed to be read, not guessed ;) Aug 22 00:31:40 lol Aug 22 00:34:23 Tibfib: god, some people in #TouchPad are obnoxious as hell Aug 22 00:34:23 argh... got an email: "we couldn't process your payment"... had to use another card... *sigh* Aug 22 00:34:29 aye Aug 22 00:34:54 plov heh that happened with me when I used the PlayBook for the first time...there were no buttons to go back Aug 22 00:35:09 Then after quite a while, I figured we have to drag up from the bottom bevel Aug 22 00:35:36 Ingenius and very user-friendly way to do multitasking, as the previews that appeared were laid out exceptionally well too Aug 22 00:41:54 IGNTNUNLMTD: dan is in Aug 22 00:42:03 F- YEAH Aug 22 00:42:06 can't wait Aug 22 00:42:14 make a beautiful rimshot app Aug 22 00:42:18 winner Aug 22 00:42:26 it is happening Aug 22 00:42:48 hate to break it to you, but the bottom right corner will have a small ad for nomnomnom Aug 22 00:42:49 haha Aug 22 00:42:59 @BrynaAtHP Aug 22 00:43:00 Bryna Corcoran Aug 22 00:43:00 Those who purchased from SMB site, here is what I know. If you purchased and rec'd confirmation ystday - you are on backorder. BUT.. Aug 22 00:43:06 Doh Aug 22 00:43:08 that's me! Aug 22 00:43:46 haha, that's fine Aug 22 00:44:01 as long as it says I commissioned it in the "About" screen :-P Aug 22 00:44:06 will do Aug 22 00:44:16 and I should be able to hide the ad if nomnomnom is installed Aug 22 00:45:44 nope Aug 22 00:46:06 ? Aug 22 00:47:11 Tibfib: what happened to leaving webos? Aug 22 00:47:25 fire sale changed some stuff Aug 22 00:47:30 lol Aug 22 00:47:31 although I will still be pursuing wp7 Aug 22 00:47:37 but keeping my webOS dev alive Aug 22 00:49:01 you better Aug 22 00:49:46 so.... terminal app for touchpad? Aug 22 00:50:07 funkatron: if touchdroid gets to dual boooting we can use that for spaz hd testing Aug 22 00:50:23 Tibfib: yeah… we'll see 8D Aug 22 00:50:25 that is, if we are still re-writing via jo Aug 22 00:50:26 haha Aug 22 00:50:33 *if we need to* Aug 22 00:50:37 well, I'm gonna give it a week 8) Aug 22 00:50:43 yeah Aug 22 00:50:44 or so Aug 22 00:50:46 at least Aug 22 00:50:56 you still have bugs to fix! Aug 22 00:51:02 no WP7 FOR YOU Aug 22 00:51:19 oh I do? Aug 22 00:51:29 oh yeah. Aug 22 00:51:53 yeah mainly sometimes having mentions go missing Aug 22 00:52:03 other than that I can't think of much Aug 22 00:52:08 oh, Aug 22 00:52:11 Is there any way, supported or unsupported to force a program running in the compatiblity mode vm to run in fullscreen? Sadly, the only downside I've run into is that almost every app I've downloaded has been running in compatibility mode... waste of a large screen :P Aug 22 00:52:12 well that one I have no idea on Aug 22 00:52:19 I was thinking about duplicate mentions Aug 22 00:53:57 i was thinking about your mom Aug 22 00:54:10 dawm|laptop: :hfive: Aug 22 00:54:18 ^5 Aug 22 00:54:18 navysealltblue: no Aug 22 00:54:38 thanks funkatron :( Aug 22 00:54:50 navysealltblue: need a google reader app? Aug 22 00:55:09 he totally does Aug 22 00:55:14 I bet so Aug 22 00:55:52 tibfib: not yet... Should I? XD I was trying to get evernote up and running so I could replace my notebook with the tablet :P Aug 22 00:56:15 navysealltblue: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.app.nomnomnom Aug 22 00:56:16 you should! Aug 22 00:56:27 ignore that "tibfib", it is in no way related to me. Aug 22 00:57:00 and by no way, I mean every way Aug 22 00:57:48 I will take a look. :P Aug 22 00:59:31 what. Aug 22 00:59:42 navysealltblue: I hear Spaz sucks Aug 22 01:00:34 oh my gosh spaz sucks Aug 22 01:02:01 Hiii Aug 22 01:05:49 guys Aug 22 01:06:14 shhh Aug 22 01:06:17 ? Aug 22 01:06:18 lol Aug 22 01:06:28 were having a moment of silence Aug 22 01:06:45 Oh... Aug 22 01:06:57 Nosens but okay Aug 22 01:06:58 lol Aug 22 01:07:09 ok guys, this tard ruined it Aug 22 01:07:11 you all can talk again Aug 22 01:07:17 ok Aug 22 01:07:30 Does anyone know if they're selling off phones cheaper anywhere than the $50 HP is doing? Aug 22 01:07:35 -.- Aug 22 01:07:50 this is a TalkChat soo... Aug 22 01:08:00 travis, hah i was so joking Aug 22 01:08:04 oh Aug 22 01:08:06 Sorry :p Aug 22 01:08:11 timing was perfect Aug 22 01:08:15 u think they will get more phones in tomorrow at hp Aug 22 01:08:20 who bought touchpads? I mean, demographically ? Just devs or what? Aug 22 01:08:28 bestbuy employees Aug 22 01:08:30 devs Aug 22 01:08:32 techies Aug 22 01:08:34 droid tards Aug 22 01:08:37 hahahaha Aug 22 01:08:38 i think they are all on ebay Aug 22 01:08:42 Will bought 7. Aug 22 01:08:44 idiots that have no idea what it is other than it was selling out and they must have one Aug 22 01:09:17 mostly droid tards and idiots that have no clue what they are buying Aug 22 01:09:43 I hope I don't loose the oportunity of buy two tomorrow for my dev team Aug 22 01:09:46 :( Aug 22 01:09:47 ya think? Aug 22 01:09:49 devs cashing in on the one they bought and getting 2+ more for the difference Aug 22 01:09:53 i sat here trying to understand it Aug 22 01:09:58 "oooh. A tablet. Maybe it'll run Android someday." Aug 22 01:10:08 lines of ppl at officedepot at 7 am sat morn'n Aug 22 01:10:45 just curious Aug 22 01:11:01 it will be 50 bucks next weekend Aug 22 01:11:10 its 50 at staplea Aug 22 01:11:15 staples* Aug 22 01:11:29 $50 rebate still worjjn Aug 22 01:11:30 rally Aug 22 01:11:35 workin* Aug 22 01:11:45 I got mine at wallymart Aug 22 01:11:53 149 32gbone Aug 22 01:11:56 People are buying and reselling it on eBay Aug 22 01:12:00 TravisAntonio: nope Aug 22 01:12:02 i Aug 22 01:12:03 some are Aug 22 01:12:04 but not all Aug 22 01:12:09 price on ebay? Aug 22 01:12:13 240+ Aug 22 01:12:18 what are they going 4? Aug 22 01:12:28 are they selling? Aug 22 01:12:38 Yep Aug 22 01:12:49 crazy price Aug 22 01:12:50 32gb? Aug 22 01:12:50 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3226552 Aug 22 01:12:55 60% actually just wanted a tablet Aug 22 01:12:59 Auctions are up to 40 Person Aug 22 01:13:02 bidding always screw up prices lol Aug 22 01:13:09 6% selling on ebay Aug 22 01:13:10 lol gotta love ebay Aug 22 01:13:13 32gb? Aug 22 01:13:23 Yeah. Aug 22 01:13:34 hp prolly still has a whole wearhouse left of them Aug 22 01:14:04 * haeffb wonders when they stopped production... Aug 22 01:14:07 hp figured out how to sell them, thats for sure. Aug 22 01:14:12 You guys think there will be more at 14:00? Aug 22 01:14:21 Becau Aug 22 01:14:33 I'm going to the bank at 13:00 Aug 22 01:15:22 haeffb: how many do you got in the mail now? 8, 10? Aug 22 01:16:40 gonna run android on them? Aug 22 01:16:47 I'm on mine now Aug 22 01:16:48 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis, ping me if you find a nomnomnom bug Aug 22 01:16:49 i'm loading iOS on mine right now Aug 22 01:16:50 love it Aug 22 01:16:56 iOS? Aug 22 01:17:02 otherwise gonna submit the update tonight Aug 22 01:17:02 LMFAO! Aug 22 01:17:04 iOS5 Aug 22 01:17:12 5.5 even Aug 22 01:17:15 Bmyers: n00b, I have iOS6 Aug 22 01:17:23 BASTARDS! Aug 22 01:17:26 WOW!!! Aug 22 01:17:26 Hahahahahahah Aug 22 01:17:31 putting ubuntu on mine atm Aug 22 01:17:45 i already erased ubuntu on mine Aug 22 01:17:53 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, summatusmentis: err actually, email me. Thanks! Aug 22 01:17:57 bbl Aug 22 01:18:01 erased? Aug 22 01:18:03 why? Aug 22 01:18:13 it was lame.. Aug 22 01:18:17 Bmyers: 22, and half will run android and the other half windows ME Aug 22 01:18:18 Well I'm running Windows 8 on mine (Don't even have one yet) LOLZ Aug 22 01:18:20 stupid gnome thing Aug 22 01:18:25 gimp Aug 22 01:18:37 limp Aug 22 01:18:42 haeffb: lol Aug 22 01:18:55 * haeffb figures windows ME is equivalent to android Aug 22 01:19:29 i like my android tho... EVO Aug 22 01:20:03 Want to run Windows XP on your tablets guys? Aug 22 01:20:20 no Aug 22 01:20:23 i like XP too.. alot less BS Aug 22 01:20:39 how can I install ubuntu without linuxnon pc? Aug 22 01:20:45 uncola: :o ? Aug 22 01:20:46 wheres the instrictions Aug 22 01:20:54 dknt care if its sloe Aug 22 01:20:57 I don't like xp Aug 22 01:21:18 Uncola: I will make Windows 7 Too soon aftr XP Aug 22 01:21:29 XP runs great on parraellels Aug 22 01:22:33 Bmyers: I will port Qemu to the touchpad That's the way I will go Aug 22 01:22:54 ok, send me a beta when u r ready Aug 22 01:23:00 no virtual on touchpad Aug 22 01:23:10 virtualboy* Aug 22 01:23:36 aw, it sux to be younger than 35 doesnt it? Aug 22 01:23:50 yep Aug 22 01:23:59 it gets worse.. Aug 22 01:24:19 whaa? Aug 22 01:24:27 yeah, someday you'll be younger than 45 Aug 22 01:24:32 First I have to get my touchpad tomorrow if i'm lucky, becuz I don't live in USA thn I will send it to my aunt in USA and she Will send it to Dominican Republic Aug 22 01:24:33 wait till u hit 40 and the muzac at the grocery store is stuff u know the words to. Aug 22 01:24:34 lol Aug 22 01:25:33 wow 170 in here... seeing more ppl than ever this week Aug 22 01:25:43 noobs Aug 22 01:25:45 LOL Aug 22 01:25:47 trolls Aug 22 01:25:51 haters Aug 22 01:25:57 Exactly lol Aug 22 01:25:57 and a few devs Aug 22 01:25:57 is there a page with pre2 hardware tips? Aug 22 01:26:18 like is there a way to tigten anything with the slider if it feels off Aug 22 01:26:26 HP is selling all WebOS phones at 50$ Aug 22 01:26:26 lol Aug 22 01:26:38 pre3 ? Aug 22 01:26:41 which ones? Aug 22 01:26:46 I heard that... pre2 I think Aug 22 01:26:58 i just sold my pre 2 Aug 22 01:27:06 for WAY more Aug 22 01:27:09 damn. should I get a spare Pre 2 ? Aug 22 01:27:15 not from me.. Aug 22 01:27:18 GONE Aug 22 01:27:23 PRe 3 is not included Aug 22 01:27:35 pre2 Aug 22 01:27:37 where are they selling them? hp.com ? Aug 22 01:27:37 man i'll get one and Aug 22 01:27:39 not pre3 Aug 22 01:27:41 SELL IT ON EBAY Aug 22 01:27:44 I was thinking about it... not sure if my insurance is gonna do any good with this phone lol Aug 22 01:27:45 Pre - + 2 Veer pixi Aug 22 01:27:47 i thought about getting another one as a backup Aug 22 01:27:49 I could use something newer than my pre- Aug 22 01:28:06 sprintified my pre2 a week or so ago Aug 22 01:28:11 wait where can i get pre3 Aug 22 01:28:19 europe Aug 22 01:28:21 UK Aug 22 01:28:21 haeffb: is selling them Aug 22 01:28:21 lol Aug 22 01:28:29 hahaha! Aug 22 01:28:29 i don't wanna go to europe Aug 22 01:28:31 I thought they were sold out Aug 22 01:28:32 HP iPAQ Glisten, AT&T Aug 22 01:28:33 is there a pre3 that works on cdma band? Aug 22 01:28:42 $199.99 Aug 22 01:28:48 LOL! Aug 22 01:28:48 no Aug 22 01:28:51 Too high Aug 22 01:28:51 all palm phones $49.99 Aug 22 01:28:53 yea Aug 22 01:28:59 who hsa palm phones? Aug 22 01:29:00 but the phones are sold out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 01:29:03 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 01:29:34 2011 Aug 22 01:29:46 lots of "out of stock" :-( Aug 22 01:29:57 49! Aug 22 01:30:03 How no! Aug 22 01:30:19 That's more than cheap Aug 22 01:30:26 im extrememy suspicious that these amazon ones (onsale) wont show Aug 22 01:30:27 damn Aug 22 01:30:38 ha, sold mine for 250 Aug 22 01:30:43 I had never seen that ipaq glisten before Aug 22 01:30:56 yeah, it sounds dirty Aug 22 01:31:03 lol Aug 22 01:31:11 that would have been cool to see with webos.. like a webos blackberry almost Aug 22 01:31:13 there seem to be a lot of YouTube celebrities buying touchpads Aug 22 01:31:14 i thought the same thing Aug 22 01:31:27 kevets_: that would be called a torch Aug 22 01:31:41 touchpad, the cuecat of the new generation Aug 22 01:31:47 haha cuecat Aug 22 01:31:58 yeah but running webos instead of bbos Aug 22 01:32:07 my experience so far is that these kids are total douchebags Aug 22 01:32:19 * kevets_ got a free cuecat from radioshack back in the day Aug 22 01:32:21 I love tp Aug 22 01:32:24 funkatron: isnt everyone to you? Aug 22 01:32:33 dawm|laptop: just you baby! ;) Aug 22 01:32:45 awww so sweet :P Aug 22 01:32:51 lol - http://www.quora.com/HP-TouchPad/Where-can-one-buy-a-HP-Touchpad-for-50 Aug 22 01:32:55 CAN I RUN METADOCTOR ON LIVECD? Aug 22 01:32:56 Vid! Android already Running on the Touchpad (Only for Android fan *Don't watch if you love WebOS*) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 Aug 22 01:33:02 omfg Aug 22 01:34:12 everyone left to watch the video Aug 22 01:34:17 LOL!!!! Aug 22 01:34:28 it's fast on the TP Aug 22 01:34:57 too fast, i think its fake Aug 22 01:35:08 its real Aug 22 01:35:18 snopes confirmed it Aug 22 01:35:21 :P Aug 22 01:35:49 (Android fans: dont take that personal) Aug 22 01:35:50 Lol Aug 22 01:42:17 nice. I already have 4 downloads of pondNotes tomorrow. Aug 22 01:44:06 future! Aug 22 01:44:20 * Shadyman hums Aug 22 01:44:57 HP Touchpad WIFI32: $149.00 Aug 22 01:44:57 Recycling Fee ONT.: $0.70 Aug 22 01:45:00 Death and taxes :( Aug 22 01:46:32 yeah, that's killing you there. Aug 22 01:47:22 what is homebrew apps? Aug 22 01:47:34 Loudergood: Seriously. Aug 22 01:47:42 just a 3rd party app catalog? Aug 22 01:48:06 plov: yeah Aug 22 01:48:12 plov: That's one way. You can also install apps from .ipk files from a PC Aug 22 01:48:16 is it really popular? Aug 22 01:48:45 like should app catalog developers care about homebrew Aug 22 01:49:01 Homebrew is usually a good channel to find beta testers for updates and other things Aug 22 01:49:03 It is for some applications, since you don't have to follow HP's rules about where/how you install files Aug 22 01:49:35 that too Aug 22 01:50:59 or for apps that use undocumented API's Aug 22 01:51:07 that aren't allowed in the catalog Aug 22 01:51:39 how does precentral even know all the apps in the catalog? Aug 22 01:51:51 where is it pulling that data from Aug 22 01:51:59 rss? Aug 22 01:52:09 They don't any more. For a while HPalm published RSS feeds of updates, but then they stopped. Aug 22 01:52:21 iirc PC's app catalog apps are just based on the last rss snapshot Aug 22 01:52:26 so it isn't completely accurate? Aug 22 01:52:49 right (again, iirc, i heard rumours that the feeds may have returned) Aug 22 01:53:00 but haven't heard anythign official on that front Aug 22 01:53:33 doh! i want to see what the current catalog of apps Aug 22 02:01:38 gotta use a device for that Aug 22 02:06:33 any terminal appmonpp Aug 22 02:06:39 app on touchpad? Aug 22 02:06:41 I need 1 Aug 22 02:07:29 uh. like Executah in preware, maybe ? Aug 22 02:08:21 how is WebOS more open than Androi? Aug 22 02:09:54 xecutah? Aug 22 02:10:02 thats not a terminal Aug 22 02:10:09 huh. Aug 22 02:10:25 you use it with xterm Aug 22 02:10:45 frewsxcv: it is more compatible with linux Aug 22 02:10:53 how do I open the keyboard? Aug 22 02:10:55 Well, I'm now sans TouchPad. Aug 22 02:10:56 frewsxcv: Android uses a hybrid LibC Aug 22 02:10:59 I'm at a command line Aug 22 02:11:22 jrabbit: what is that? Aug 22 02:11:50 how to open keyboard in xterm? Aug 22 02:11:55 Hendikins: I didn't know the market pullout was that throrough... Aug 22 02:12:04 frewsxcv: if you're not converned with libc don't worry about the lowlevel stuff at all then. Aug 22 02:12:41 .. Aug 22 02:12:48 ok, goodnight Aug 22 02:12:54 i'm not concerned with it. i'm looking for an open platform, and it seems like webos just has the kernel open because it had to Aug 22 02:13:54 frewsxcv: Android has its own challenges to its openness, Honeycomb isn't published in full Aug 22 02:13:56 wow this place is CRAZY Aug 22 02:14:01 =O Aug 22 02:14:03 The dev community is far more open than on android, imo, also Aug 22 02:14:05 android 4.0 is going to be open source again Aug 22 02:14:10 i've never seen so many new ppl in here Aug 22 02:14:18 frewsxcv: Android's issues are very technical. Aug 22 02:14:21 Loudergood: The retailer said "money back unconditionally because of what HP did". I took them up on it. Aug 22 02:14:28 webos is the most open platform. Aug 22 02:14:31 frewsxcv: its not a simple issue of whats open and what isn't Aug 22 02:14:36 that's solid on their part Aug 22 02:14:36 Android basically ships an incompatible linux fork, as well Aug 22 02:14:43 lol Aug 22 02:14:44 All sorts of nasty hacks in that kernel :( Aug 22 02:14:53 Loudergood: The device is not worth full price to me now. Simple as that. Aug 22 02:14:55 rrix: and Bionic uurgggh Aug 22 02:15:03 lol Aug 22 02:15:17 I expect the bottom to drop out of the second hand market in a week or so Aug 22 02:15:18 Hendikins: well then I am glad you got at a discount Aug 22 02:15:30 Loudergood: However, we don't have fire sale pricing in AU yet. I've asked the franchisee of the store I got it from to ring me if they do a fire sale. Aug 22 02:15:34 fxspec06: I didn't. Aug 22 02:15:47 where did you get it from Aug 22 02:15:47 I got it for marginally under RRP. Aug 22 02:16:08 then you did get it at a discount. Aug 22 02:16:11 I'm in Australia. The TP was exclusive to Harvey Norman, I got it there. Aug 22 02:16:24 And it just got returned. Aug 22 02:16:55 Less than $20 off a RRP of nearly $600 is not a significant discount. Aug 22 02:16:56 how much did you pay? and why did you return it? just curious Aug 22 02:17:35 rrix: I tried to compile git for android... urgh so bad Aug 22 02:17:37 AU RRP was 598 for 32GB. I returned it because I was able to do so unconditionally and it is not worth that money after last Friday. Aug 22 02:18:00 fair enough reason Aug 22 02:18:21 definitely not worth the money after friday Aug 22 02:18:38 still a fantastic piece of hardware though, IMO Aug 22 02:19:03 I love the thing... but the value for money is gone. Aug 22 02:19:16 =[ Aug 22 02:19:18 If they end up at US prices locally, I'll be buying several. Aug 22 02:19:26 dooo itttttttttttttttttt Aug 22 02:19:38 http://www.shopping.hp.com/can/handheld/iPAQ/1/storefronts?jumpid=hpr_R1002_USEN Aug 22 02:19:43 get a bunch of everything Aug 22 02:19:45 just have at it Aug 22 02:19:46 lol Aug 22 02:20:44 Between what I'm after and friends who want them at that price, I'll walk out with 10. Aug 22 02:20:54 And I'm not even joking. Aug 22 02:20:55 so is there anywhere to reliably get a touchpad now or are they all gone? Aug 22 02:21:03 (in the US) Aug 22 02:21:08 safari is so fast on the TP.. Aug 22 02:21:15 rrix: frewsxcv well hopefully open communities jump up with webos and android soon Aug 22 02:21:22 lol Aug 22 02:22:15 fxspec06: I've actually asked the bloke at HN Broadway to set 10x 32 aside for me if they go at fire sale pricing. Aug 22 02:22:38 And I used his own marketing speak right back at him. :P Aug 22 02:22:43 whew that's good stuff Aug 22 02:28:57 whoa, HP still sells ipaqs? Aug 22 02:31:06 at an higher price than the pre2! Aug 22 02:31:15 no less. Aug 22 02:38:07 Holy smokes. This fire sale on the touchpad has taken down several pretty large websites. word got out that macmall had them and their server is down for the count right now Aug 22 02:38:31 rabid slickdealers are pretty bad, eh Aug 22 02:39:11 esp the ones that advocate auto refreshing the pages once a second Aug 22 02:39:37 they kinda fall over ... like .... HP small biz store Aug 22 02:39:38 at this point it really feels to me like HP may have made a questionable decision. obviously a lot of people (myself included) were right on the edge about buying one of these. they should have kept them in production and marked them at $299 or something. i think they'd sell considering the other serious ipad alternatives that are similar in features are also (stupidly) asking what the ipad costs Aug 22 02:39:50 (but unlike the HP home store, which was designed for consumer traffic) Aug 22 02:40:25 nsgn: when the initial rush dies down, we'll see if they still have stock left to sell at $100/$150 Aug 22 02:40:39 i ordered two from a site and i hope it turns out to be alright. was a few hours ago. after that their server crashed and now its back up but with touchpad missing completely Aug 22 02:40:49 it is quite possible that at $250 they wouldn't sell out and would have to be price reduced anyways (and perhaps even more refunds given again) Aug 22 02:41:38 maybe. i guess i just feel anyone trying to sell a product against the ipad for the same price as the ipad is foolish right now. you've got to build a user base initially and everyone i know who was going to spend that amount of cash just said "well i might as well get an ipad for that cost" Aug 22 02:42:02 uhhh, I think my app has a memory leak. I'm working on an update and it keeps restarting the TP after like 15 mins of using it Aug 22 02:42:07 webos and the touchpad are great but anyone sane just got an ipad for the price. but HP is far from alone in making that mistake Aug 22 02:45:08 twbbas: use palm-worm Aug 22 02:45:21 Tibfib: what's that do? Aug 22 02:45:27 check it out Aug 22 02:45:32 it's pretty self-explanatory Aug 22 02:45:37 just monitors nodes and handles Aug 22 02:45:40 should help you out Aug 22 02:45:53 anyone managed to pick up a Pre for $50? Aug 22 02:46:25 nsgn: mcdonalds sells hamburgers for $1, why would anyone go anywhere else for a hamburger when you can get one from mcdonalds Aug 22 02:46:31 hyperperforator: They went OOS like in just one hour. Aug 22 02:47:29 Tibfib: what's a good amount of nodes to have? Aug 22 02:47:44 umm, I think like 400-600ish is average Aug 22 02:47:47 * Tibfib thinks Aug 22 02:47:51 I have 1110 Aug 22 02:47:56 lemme try Aug 22 02:48:05 nsgn: agree! Aug 22 02:48:36 # of nodes is going to depend on what is on your pages, I suspect Aug 22 02:48:40 those are DOM nodes, right? Aug 22 02:48:44 I have at max about 1600 Aug 22 02:48:51 as I go through app Aug 22 02:49:01 TravisAntonio, of course haha Aug 22 02:49:21 twbbas: nodes and handles are much different Aug 22 02:49:29 well in number Aug 22 02:49:32 which is which? Aug 22 02:49:41 0 service handlers, max 1600 nodes Aug 22 02:49:59 I have 300 nodes for nomnomnom Aug 22 02:50:07 I have 713 right now for NNN Aug 22 02:50:16 I am in card view Aug 22 02:50:19 (in NNN) Aug 22 02:50:26 up to about 600 Aug 22 02:50:50 yeah I hit 700ish Aug 22 02:50:53 hmm Aug 22 02:51:01 ugh I really don't know what to do to clean this up Aug 22 02:51:11 I have 16 pics in 13 different panes Aug 22 02:51:21 twbbas: if you want, send it over to me and I'll check it out for you Aug 22 02:51:24 oh Aug 22 02:51:31 you should dynamically create stuff Aug 22 02:51:36 when you have that many Aug 22 02:51:41 I have an idea Aug 22 02:51:49 i'm hoping i dont get an email tomorrow that says "er, sorry. we oversold" Aug 22 02:51:52 I don't do that because I read info about the pics from a text file Aug 22 02:52:00 I hope I don't get that email either Aug 22 02:52:02 but I think i'll transfer text file to like arrays or something Aug 22 02:52:06 and then that should be faster Aug 22 02:52:11 some people are ordering from several places at once Aug 22 02:52:11 and I can go dynamic then Aug 22 02:52:19 that'd be good Aug 22 02:52:23 but i'm afraid if i did that i'd end up with more than 2 which i really dont need/want to pay for Aug 22 02:52:32 twbbas: dunno if it has to be .txt files Aug 22 02:52:35 but json would work Aug 22 02:56:38 Tibfib: Yeah but we've already done a lot of data ripping into txt files Aug 22 02:56:53 ah Aug 22 02:57:03 We probably have close to 1500 lines in txt files Aug 22 02:57:05 >.> Aug 22 02:57:10 and 80% of that is #s Aug 22 02:57:25 heh, how does differences work? Aug 22 02:57:29 image maps? Aug 22 02:57:30 haha Aug 22 02:57:31 coordinates Aug 22 02:57:40 image maps are dumb Aug 22 02:57:42 so faked imagemaps kind of Aug 22 02:57:46 we just get what coord the person taps on Aug 22 02:57:49 gotcha Aug 22 02:57:52 calculate if it's in the diff area Aug 22 02:58:09 like our polygon images have anywhere from 3-9 sides Aug 22 02:58:16 so we have coordinates for each corner Aug 22 02:58:47 <{DV8}> Ìû **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2011