**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 02:59:56 2011 Aug 23 03:02:20 starz has gone ghey Aug 23 03:02:28 my app downloads - http://skitch.com/ryanwatkins/f13w1/screen-shot-2011-08-22-at-8.57.24-pm Aug 23 03:04:28 wtf. Aug 23 03:04:42 my mother is mad at me because I didn't ask her if she wanted a touchpad Aug 23 03:04:49 ha Aug 23 03:04:58 great, I thought I was done finding touchpads Aug 23 03:05:02 but nooo, now I have to find another one Aug 23 03:05:23 I mentioned I was getting one friday, and saturday... did she say anything then? noooooo Aug 23 03:05:53 so I picked up 4 phones, and she thinks she should get one because I didn't ask her if she wanted one Aug 23 03:06:05 wait Aug 23 03:06:08 3.0.3? Aug 23 03:06:13 how was I supposed to know she wanted one? she can barely use her dumbphone Aug 23 03:06:21 what? where? Aug 23 03:06:27 in my app logs Aug 23 03:06:32 oh Aug 23 03:06:36 palm employee! Aug 23 03:06:43 indeed. check the IP Aug 23 03:06:45 is there a 3g touchpad? Aug 23 03:06:49 got a bunch of TouchPad Gos in mine. Aug 23 03:06:55 probably, but not released to us yet Aug 23 03:06:58 yep Aug 23 03:07:02 we know they were working on 3g/4g tp Aug 23 03:07:04 Harvey Norman urges HP to resurrect TouchPad: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/267673,harvey-norman-urges-hp-to-resurrect-touchpad.aspx Aug 23 03:07:09 67.137.248.194 = vcsispfw.vcd.hp.com Aug 23 03:07:17 oh Aug 23 03:07:26 well i have a touchpad with a carrier string of AT&T in my logs too Aug 23 03:07:27 can you have HP change the shipping address if they haven't shipped the order yet? Aug 23 03:07:35 if they wait much longer I won't be here Aug 23 03:07:42 interesting. another HP netblock? Aug 23 03:07:51 dawm: What's the estimated delivery on those stickers? Aug 23 03:07:53 nope Aug 23 03:07:55 you'd think with 15/8 and 16/8 they'd have enough ;) Aug 23 03:08:00 the AT&T was on AT&T Aug 23 03:08:11 kesne, idk, before the end of the week i would assume Aug 23 03:08:12 USPS Aug 23 03:08:29 dawm: ah, gotchya Aug 23 03:08:31 Thanks again Aug 23 03:08:36 what's the "home" button on the touchpad emulator? Aug 23 03:08:42 I guess the right questino to ask is has anyone gotten a shipping number from HP beyond a confirmatino number? Aug 23 03:08:54 not me Aug 23 03:09:18 I go cross country to college in a few weeks Aug 23 03:09:27 not even a few weeks one week Aug 23 03:09:30 * dwc- checks email Aug 23 03:09:33 not I Aug 23 03:09:38 HattCzech: I think it's the home button Aug 23 03:09:39 hmph Aug 23 03:09:44 maybe I'll have it sent there Aug 23 03:10:04 well Aug 23 03:10:08 you are correct... and i tried all of those buttons and it wasn't working Aug 23 03:10:12 there are a few AT&T touchpads according to these logs Aug 23 03:10:13 now all of the sudden, it works Aug 23 03:10:18 and thanks, sugardave Aug 23 03:10:25 i count 5 different NUIDs Aug 23 03:10:36 If I could pick up an AT&T Pre3 I'd be up for a couple. Aug 23 03:10:55 Hendikins: same here... and then i'd try to switch the comm board :) haha Aug 23 03:12:36 heh Aug 23 03:12:40 ATT PRE3 2.2.0 Aug 23 03:12:45 so sad :( Aug 23 03:13:27 HattCzech: The 850MHz is actually what I want - I'm on Telstra (Australia) Aug 23 03:13:28 saw those this morning Aug 23 03:13:38 and a vzw pre3 Aug 23 03:13:44 that would work well for you then Aug 23 03:13:50 Exactly. Aug 23 03:13:58 ohhh, i'd prefer a verizon pre3 Aug 23 03:14:02 no comm swapping Aug 23 03:14:10 Also why I'm not interested in the euro Pre3s, since you can't exactly stick a Pre2 comms board in it. Aug 23 03:14:11 just convincing sprint to let me use it Aug 23 03:14:14 oh what the hell Aug 23 03:14:31 HattCzech: the employees I overheard in line, it sounded like they didn't think they'd get to even continue using it on vzw Aug 23 03:14:32 i updated my app a few months back to use my newer tracking method Aug 23 03:14:42 apparently i never disabled the old tracking method.. so im double tracking Aug 23 03:15:03 dwc-: that would be unfortunate Aug 23 03:23:08 that #touchdroid grew quickly Aug 23 03:24:59 * uncola touches your droid Aug 23 03:25:54 anybody here excited for #touchdroid at all? Aug 23 03:26:10 yay for spaz hd! Aug 23 03:27:15 Is there any way to figure out when enyo.Sound is actually playing vs buffering? Aug 23 03:29:52 I am Aug 23 03:30:06 * Hendikins looks at tweet that just went up, ponders. Aug 23 03:30:16 what tweet? Aug 23 03:30:32 I found spaz hd really laggy Aug 23 03:30:47 and the columns. what if I only want one? no way to expand Aug 23 03:30:57 https://twitter.com/shanelord/status/105546326871261184 Aug 23 03:31:35 ooh Aug 23 03:34:25 oh wow, angry birds is free on the pad? Aug 23 03:34:31 the full version? Aug 23 03:34:41 Australian press is claiming that all ~6000 Touchpad in stock is sold out down under? Aug 23 03:34:49 Goneski. Aug 23 03:34:54 wow, this touchpad is amazing Aug 23 03:34:59 how are people not loving this Aug 23 03:35:16 I went to look at Martin Place yesterday, the queue snaked throughout the store, out the door and up the stairs. Aug 23 03:35:17 Australia sold out in under an hour (rumored) Aug 23 03:35:19 Then I wonder what Shane is hinting at with that tweet? Aug 23 03:35:20 I hope a kindle app comes out soon Aug 23 03:35:31 I don't subscribe to netflix so I don't care about that much Aug 23 03:35:44 dgathright: Not quite true. The last units at Joyce Mayne Albury didn't sell until this morning. Aug 23 03:35:47 the prototype that joshua topolsky had had kindle on it Aug 23 03:35:57 uncola: Kindle app is out, just not as robust as most people want Aug 23 03:36:26 But then again, Domayne, Joyce Mayne and Clive Peeters weren't advertised as places it could be obtained, in spite of being owned by the same company as Harvey Norman. Aug 23 03:36:37 Hendikins: Figured. Like I said, just a rumor. @webosinternals: "I just heard an unconfirmed report that all TouchPads in Australia sold out in 1 hour 45 mins." Aug 23 03:36:55 dgathright: Most metro stores sold out in 15 minutes or less. Aug 23 03:37:20 Unadvertised stock at a regional store doesn't really count. Aug 23 03:37:27 I love the name of these Aussie department stores. Aug 23 03:37:52 joej: Harvey Norman is colloquially known as "Hardly Normal" Aug 23 03:38:20 at least stock in sydney CBD has to be completely depleted yeah? Aug 23 03:38:40 Sydney CBD stock was gone before the official sale start time. Aug 23 03:38:45 LOL Aug 23 03:39:44 You had hundreds of people trying to get double digit numbers of units. Aug 23 03:40:03 I think australia,singapore,hong kong were the last 3 [APAC] region to have the Touchpad... HK/S'Pore firesale coming soon? Aug 23 03:41:57 No idea. Aug 23 03:42:07 NZ has had a fire sale. Aug 23 03:47:06 * qillerneu is having troubles picking a category to submit an app Aug 23 03:47:49 Where do you stick an app that does Flickr browsing, has twitter client, shows weather and calendar, and also has an integrated browser? Aug 23 03:47:52 :) Aug 23 03:48:58 qillerneu: whatever catergory glimpse/incredible! are in? Aug 23 03:52:13 hm, what's incredible! ? search isn't showing anything useful Aug 23 03:53:57 qillerneu: That's Incredible - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFXtb9jBaBM Aug 23 03:55:20 lol that managed to hilight me Aug 23 03:55:36 qillerneu: @zhephree is building incredible in beta, AFAIK not in app catalog yet Aug 23 04:00:11 how. incredible. is. it? Aug 23 04:00:48 ok, so we just need a netflix client for webos :P Aug 23 04:02:42 qillerneu: I think the category is "pick a goddamn app and make it, please" Aug 23 04:03:58 can chuq create one like that for me? :P Aug 23 04:04:18 hey Aug 23 04:04:19 does anyone know what the beats audio on/off button does in the settings? is it just eq? Aug 23 04:04:39 it allows Dr Dre to see you bobbin your head Aug 23 04:04:51 I don't think it does anything Aug 23 04:04:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beats_Audio Aug 23 04:05:13 I don't think it does much either Aug 23 04:05:31 maybe it just does a more intensive process when it I'd turned off so it sounds crappy Aug 23 04:05:31 ya thats what i was thinking, i listened to songs with it turned off Aug 23 04:05:37 and it seemed about the same Aug 23 04:06:08 The patch in preware that boosts amixer by 33% is far more useful :) Aug 23 04:06:08 rrix: I know what beats is, but I don't quite get why therein Aug 23 04:06:10 is an option Aug 23 04:06:18 Tibfib: "marketing and branding" Aug 23 04:06:59 eh I guess Aug 23 04:07:04 seems like an odd way Aug 23 04:07:07 08-22 21:01 < crazy8> does anyone know what the beats audio on/off button does in the settings? is it just eq? Aug 23 04:07:16 you could have that there without he option. Aug 23 04:07:19 it probably is just eq Aug 23 04:07:27 that's what the option does on the laptops Aug 23 04:07:56 I need to make a patch that changes the label too "sound slightly less shitty" Aug 23 04:07:58 err to. Aug 23 04:07:59 * rrix watches http://www.precentral.net/what-beats-audio Aug 23 04:07:59 thx Aug 23 04:08:00 jesus. Aug 23 04:08:02 there's also "special" wiring and sound isolation that goes into the hw build, so it's not just an eq setting that they're selling you Aug 23 04:08:27 "look, we know it's not thin enough, but WE NEED BEATS AUDIO: Aug 23 04:08:27 funkatrin: #winning Aug 23 04:08:37 "here put on these overpriced gangbanger headphones" Aug 23 04:08:44 dang autocorrect Aug 23 04:08:49 the headphones are way too expensive Aug 23 04:08:50 TRIN Aug 23 04:08:51 "Here's a sine wave we raped" Aug 23 04:09:13 more powerful headphone amp Aug 23 04:09:25 but at least on the Envy, the one thing beats does is lets you know when you have crappy headphones Aug 23 04:09:56 yawn Aug 23 04:10:13 How do you disable this, it's all hardware changes, lol Aug 23 04:11:13 ugh Mojo wirc Aug 23 04:11:36 Mojo is magic Aug 23 04:12:21 :slick: Aug 23 04:12:21 lawlz. can't believe I ever said that Aug 23 04:12:36 rrix: it's not all hw changes. they also had windows driver settings and an eq setting Aug 23 04:12:39 btw, lawlz corrects to oasis. Aug 23 04:12:43 odd Aug 23 04:12:48 hmm Aug 23 04:12:51 rrix: I just don't know how much of that is on the touchpad's "beats audio" Aug 23 04:14:36 Microsoft is stupid... Aug 23 04:14:52 their dev programs are poorly set up Aug 23 04:15:20 :stare: Aug 23 04:15:41 you're stupid Aug 23 04:15:49 oh you kids Aug 23 04:15:55 #winning Aug 23 04:15:56 yes, I'm taking them up on their offer... Aug 23 04:15:56 BREAK IT UP Aug 23 04:16:10 cool, you should join #wp7 and talk about that Aug 23 04:16:12 PatrickC_TP: sorry to hear that Aug 23 04:16:29 rrix: I'm staying with webOS too Aug 23 04:16:36 Ah Aug 23 04:16:44 well good :) Aug 23 04:17:21 but I've been wanting to do wpdev for some time Aug 23 04:18:16 okay, this has been depressing, so I'm leaving. night y'all Aug 23 04:18:36 good night, good sir Aug 23 04:18:44 * rrix looks around for rwhitby Aug 23 04:18:48 have to call them at 7:30 am my time tomorrow... (cst) Aug 23 04:18:53 cya funkatron Aug 23 04:19:24 Can windows boot from a GPT partition table? o.o Aug 23 04:20:01 PatrickC_TP: they have people working 5:30am PST?!! Aug 23 04:20:17 joej: MSDN is Aug 23 04:20:40 and that's who I need to call Aug 23 04:21:00 of course wp7 devs would be part of MSDN. Of course Aug 23 04:21:10 lol Aug 23 04:21:27 20:31 < fxspec06> oh wow, angry birds is free on the pad? Aug 23 04:21:29 oh hey, you're right Aug 23 04:21:31 angry birds HD Aug 23 04:21:34 for touchpad. free. Aug 23 04:21:37 I'm 15, and need dreamspark to access the dev site.. Aug 23 04:21:43 * dwc- downloads Aug 23 04:21:45 i not so secretly wish rahul sood is still with HP and not MS Aug 23 04:21:56 but can't sign for dreamspark Aug 23 04:22:22 dwc-: that was one of the first apps I got :-) Aug 23 04:23:04 I dunno, I've only had mine 10 hours, and was at work for most of it Aug 23 04:23:24 cool :-) Aug 23 04:23:36 my 3 new 32gb's arrive tomorrow Aug 23 04:23:51 and 4 cases Aug 23 04:24:33 so, there isn't really 300,000 new users, it's 100,000 users who all bought a pile of them Aug 23 04:24:43 probably Aug 23 04:25:04 Most people who bought more than one are gifting them though Aug 23 04:25:05 you all have to buy 3-4x more apps then Aug 23 04:25:29 rrix: we bought one for each member of my family :-) Aug 23 04:25:31 grrr, sound on the touchpad randomly dies and I have to reboot :\ Aug 23 04:25:33 4 total Aug 23 04:25:42 sadly, I think mine may be coming from the mythical warehouse somewhere at HP, it's still "processing" Aug 23 04:26:00 that's where mine is Aug 23 04:26:02 PatrickC_TP: yar, get them all on webos :) Aug 23 04:26:06 and where I apparently need to buy my mother one from Aug 23 04:26:08 mine shipped Aug 23 04:26:20 rrix: me and my dad already are :-) Aug 23 04:26:21 if I had a hundred dollars more I would have got one for my mum. Aug 23 04:26:40 my moms blackberry Aug 23 04:26:47 maybe I'll hit up the palm store again tomorrow on the miniscule chance that they have more Aug 23 04:27:05 and my lil bro is 7 (yes, we got him a touchpad ;-) ) Aug 23 04:27:18 Back in my day... Aug 23 04:27:26 dwc-: check precentral lately? Aug 23 04:27:30 ... uphill ... both ways! Aug 23 04:27:30 * rrix grumbles about gameboy Aug 23 04:27:38 touchpads. Bah! Aug 23 04:27:39 you had a game boy? Aug 23 04:27:46 PatrickC_TP: no, why Aug 23 04:27:48 dwc-: Yeah, we threw rocks at him Aug 23 04:27:57 dwc-: Coming Soon: TouchPad fire sale Part 2 ... http://is.gd/WzXEDK Aug 23 04:28:25 dwc-: I still have a gameboy advanced original ;-) Aug 23 04:28:33 PatrickC_TP: I was in that line this morning Aug 23 04:28:46 really? Aug 23 04:28:53 :/ Aug 23 04:28:56 yes Aug 23 04:29:17 I saw halfhalo and dkirker in that line too Aug 23 04:29:41 wat. http://boingboing.net/2011/08/22/8-bit-zardoz.html?dlvrit=36761 Aug 23 04:29:43 stupid new precentral app doesn't show post time Aug 23 04:29:59 eyyyyyy Aug 23 04:30:05 ooyyyy Aug 23 04:30:12 argh Aug 23 04:30:36 hey fxspec06_tp Aug 23 04:30:37 there Aug 23 04:30:41 ndrive giveaway, huh Aug 23 04:30:47 yeah Aug 23 04:30:58 440 comments... so.... 1 in 20 chance, that's not too terrible Aug 23 04:31:17 I don't need that, I already get nDrive free Aug 23 04:31:25 from ndrive Aug 23 04:31:27 yes yes Aug 23 04:31:30 beta, I know Aug 23 04:31:33 so,holy crap the pad is capable of so much Aug 23 04:31:38 I have the old one too Aug 23 04:31:49 fxspec06_tp: get my email about loanees? Aug 23 04:31:50 * dwc- has been too busy to file any bug reports Aug 23 04:31:54 loaners* Aug 23 04:32:01 dwc-: same here Aug 23 04:32:20 I wish I could adv swipe Aug 23 04:32:35 yes pat, but I knew before you did Aug 23 04:32:59 u guessed Aug 23 04:33:01 I kmew Aug 23 04:33:04 knew* Aug 23 04:33:32 I got like 15 apps open Aug 23 04:33:37 lol Aug 23 04:33:48 OC'img? Aug 23 04:33:49 and this thing ain't showing any signs of slowing down Aug 23 04:33:53 ing* Aug 23 04:34:02 duh Aug 23 04:34:12 how fast? Aug 23 04:34:26 * PatrickC_TP does 1.5xx Aug 23 04:34:31 only ridiculous speed Aug 23 04:34:36 my angry birds crashes Aug 23 04:34:38 Ludicrous speed! Aug 23 04:34:41 my angry birds HD crashes, rahter Aug 23 04:34:42 1.7? Aug 23 04:34:43 haven't gone ludacrious Aug 23 04:35:00 dwc-: there have been reports of kt Aug 23 04:35:06 it* Aug 23 04:35:17 what about me in a line? Aug 23 04:35:23 * PatrickC_TP mutters at touchpads kb Aug 23 04:35:45 I can reproducibly crash it on my pad Aug 23 04:35:57 log it Aug 23 04:36:00 play Aug 23 04:36:01 what's causing if? Aug 23 04:36:03 poached eggs Aug 23 04:36:03 it* Aug 23 04:36:07 back Aug 23 04:36:09 bam. Aug 23 04:36:15 * PatrickC_TP tries or Aug 23 04:36:18 ir* Aug 23 04:36:19 log it where Aug 23 04:36:23 it** Aug 23 04:36:23 oh. report a problem Aug 23 04:36:27 lumberjack Aug 23 04:36:48 nah, appcat has a report a problem thing Aug 23 04:36:56 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 23 04:37:02 hey DougReeder Aug 23 04:37:17 dwc-: dont think they monitor that Aug 23 04:37:22 Well, I guess this is what we get for now being on a popular platform… OH: "Anyone know how to pirate WebOS apps? Google is useless" Aug 23 04:37:29 and I cant reproduce rhqt Aug 23 04:37:36 Now that I have wIRC on the TOUCHPAD, all I need is a Dvorak keyboard layout. Aug 23 04:37:45 oh well. dunno then. Aug 23 04:37:55 dgathright: haha Aug 23 04:38:10 DougReeder: mojo/Enyo wirc? Aug 23 04:38:37 I dunno, wIRC from Preware. Looks Mojo. Aug 23 04:38:46 its mojo Aug 23 04:39:00 Enyo isn't preware ready yet :-) Aug 23 04:39:12 Really hoping the people in #touchpad don't find out about #webos. =D Aug 23 04:39:24 BTW, I didn't captialize TouchPad, Text Assistant did. :-( Aug 23 04:39:37 lol Aug 23 04:39:49 lol Aug 23 04:40:14 * Txyru advertises webos in touchpad Aug 23 04:40:31 * PatrickC_TP kicks Txyru Aug 23 04:40:46 I think there's three categories of TouchPad buyers: 1) webOS phone users 2) techies 3) bargain hunters Aug 23 04:40:49 my only problem with the pad so far is that it can run a ton of apps and it takes forever to get from one end of te list to the other Aug 23 04:40:50 I have 2 reviews to write.. :-) Aug 23 04:41:02 I guess if they do, we can all flee to that other webOS room that shall remain nameless and bunker down for the winter. Aug 23 04:41:07 fxspec06_tp: haha Aug 23 04:41:08 And I don't htink the bargain hunters will buy may apps. Aug 23 04:41:12 butt the keyboard is great. FANTASTIC Aug 23 04:41:43 I presume you type qwerty. Aug 23 04:41:45 * dgathright glares at Txyru Aug 23 04:41:48 mhmm Aug 23 04:42:09 I could probably use this as my only pc if I wasn't a huge nerd Aug 23 04:42:32 How would yuo edit documents? Aug 23 04:42:46 good question Aug 23 04:42:50 Even if I wanted, I can't buy apps :P Aug 23 04:42:54 DougReeder: TIDE :-) Aug 23 04:42:58 to which, I have no answer to Aug 23 04:43:05 and ubuntu chroor Aug 23 04:43:15 chroot* Aug 23 04:43:53 battery charges slowly Aug 23 04:43:54 Hmm, I hadn't thought of TIDE for editing ordinary documents Aug 23 04:44:12 I'm getting tired Aug 23 04:45:12 I gotta say also that while ilove spaz, I do much prefer carbon. Aug 23 04:45:43 I know that will break tibfibs heart Aug 23 04:45:45 I like Tweed best, but I get so few DM Aug 23 04:45:49 DougReeder: and LibreOffice in ubuntu for everything else Aug 23 04:45:55 Is there not a way to search for a specific user in Carbon? Or am I just an idiot. Aug 23 04:47:04 lol Aug 23 04:47:08 I use phnx Aug 23 04:48:08 ow wow Aug 23 04:48:23 I forgot you canrotate this thing in any direction Aug 23 04:49:32 I cantwait to put TONS OF MUSIC on this thing tomorrow Aug 23 04:49:42 and upload to my box.net Aug 23 04:50:49 I enjoy using the HP Play.. Moving 4 songs at a time before it freezes lol Aug 23 04:50:54 can you have multiple touchpads on one acct? Aug 23 04:51:02 PatrickC_TP: I'd imagine so. Aug 23 04:51:13 Shadyman1: I would too Aug 23 04:51:32 I coudl try it out, but I'd have to rip open my second touchpad Aug 23 04:52:12 Someone send me another touchpad and I'll try it ;) Aug 23 04:53:21 Shadyman1: why isn't it open yet? :-) Aug 23 04:53:32 Shadyman1, can you sell me that? Aug 23 04:53:35 please Aug 23 04:53:49 you dont need 2 touchpad Aug 23 04:54:16 after tomorrow, I'll have 2 Aug 23 04:54:34 but then, 1 is going back in under 60 days :-) Aug 23 04:54:40 linuxuz3r: One for dev and hardware hacking, one for everyday usage? Aug 23 04:54:55 One for the livingroom, and one for the bathroom. Aug 23 04:55:01 lol Aug 23 04:55:04 not like I went and bought 10 to sell them at inflated prices or something Aug 23 04:55:08 though I could have. Aug 23 04:55:24 dgathright: it's in the menu, there's a Go to tweep option Aug 23 04:55:32 I doubt there's any money in reselling them Aug 23 04:55:40 not really Aug 23 04:55:49 bemjb: Thanks. I figured it was somewhere and I had just missed it. Aug 23 04:55:49 There's some.. Aug 23 04:55:59 They are still going for above retail on ebay.. Aug 23 04:56:15 yeah i mean whats up with that Aug 23 04:56:28 How much above, and are they actually selling? Aug 23 04:56:29 Well it's not like there are any cheap ones left lol Aug 23 04:56:31 they should be selling it for the msrp Aug 23 04:56:40 DougReeder, original price Aug 23 04:56:54 HP play works just fine for me Aug 23 04:57:05 It crashes all the time for me.. Aug 23 04:57:07 but I have an itunes library Aug 23 04:57:09 oh Aug 23 04:57:13 Same.. Aug 23 04:57:26 someone tell rib to get to work on logo enyo Aug 23 04:57:33 how is the touch pad app store is it still live? Aug 23 04:57:36 that bitch Aug 23 04:57:41 tib* Aug 23 04:57:44 I think it dies on all my other HDD's.. It tries to scan them each time, even though I tell it to ignore them.. Aug 23 04:57:50 linuxuz3r: yes Aug 23 04:57:51 koto* Aug 23 04:58:09 dwc-, i thought hp stopped supporting webos Aug 23 04:58:23 hardwaee Aug 23 04:58:28 not software Aug 23 04:58:32 I just got an app out of it Aug 23 04:58:44 has anyone got a confirmation from OnSale? Aug 23 04:58:54 dwc-: I'm seeing the bug now Aug 23 04:58:57 Bajan, what is onsale? Aug 23 04:59:00 I haven't been on e-bay in so long, I've forgotten how to use it. Aug 23 04:59:01 I'm off to bed Aug 23 04:59:02 selling tps? Aug 23 04:59:04 night all Aug 23 04:59:12 PatrickC_TP: what'd you do diff?> Aug 23 04:59:17 OnSale was an affilate of Amazon Aug 23 04:59:23 yes Aug 23 04:59:30 dwc-: played the game :-) Aug 23 04:59:33 night Aug 23 04:59:37 they had the fire sale pricing Aug 23 04:59:43 Bajan: no. onsale was selling their stock through amazon's system Aug 23 04:59:49 yes Aug 23 04:59:49 and fulfilling Aug 23 05:00:09 just wondered if they started shipping yet Aug 23 05:00:16 How do you search e-bay for closed auctions? Aug 23 05:00:24 Bajan: still waiting for mine to ship too Aug 23 05:00:43 oh ok :) Aug 23 05:01:00 if it's like before, search advanced options Aug 23 05:01:04 you must be signed in Aug 23 05:01:25 Is it ok to leave the touchpad in developer mode after installing the apps and patches, or should put it back to normal, or does it not make a difference lol Aug 23 05:01:57 its ok unless Ur paranoid Aug 23 05:01:58 if you don't use any security options (screen lock, pin code to put into developer mode) anyways, then it is no difference Aug 23 05:02:13 if you do, then all it means is someone can bypass all that and mess with your device Aug 23 05:02:51 what about some crazy Starbucks wife hacker Aug 23 05:02:56 wife=wifi Aug 23 05:03:01 So I got nothing to worry about :) Just didn't know if it would act differently under normal usage.. Aug 23 05:03:04 does touchpad have an io? Aug 23 05:03:12 like sd card slot and the like Aug 23 05:03:13 I stay well away from Starbucks ;) Aug 23 05:03:29 ziplock503-pre: developer mode has nothing to do with wifi Aug 23 05:03:33 oh your next door? Aug 23 05:04:03 but doesn't it let ppl write and so all the fancy hacking stuff Aug 23 05:04:20 linuxuz3r: see "Tech Specs" http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html Aug 23 05:04:22 I keep my phone in devmode Aug 23 05:05:15 Huh, I guess we have our answer as to what price people will pay for a non-iPad tablet. Aug 23 05:05:27 I keep my phone in devmode too Aug 23 05:06:22 yeah, 2 digits Aug 23 05:06:35 $99 Aug 23 05:06:43 I paid 3, but I got the 32gb.. Aug 23 05:07:03 No, the sale price on e-bay is averaging something like $275. Aug 23 05:07:25 Not a bad profit there.. Aug 23 05:07:31 DougReeder: for auctions/bids before or after friday? Aug 23 05:07:35 Unless you are trying to sell one you got at full price lol Aug 23 05:07:45 DougReeder: faster delviery :P Aug 23 05:07:49 With a BOM of $250, that doesn't leave much room for mfg to make a profit. Aug 23 05:08:19 they take a cut of market sales:p Aug 23 05:08:34 They either need to make them cheaper, or make an OS that can take on iOS in substance AND style.. Aug 23 05:08:42 these are cheap apps, not $60 video games :p Aug 23 05:09:16 I'll buy a video game without thinking twice.. but $.99 for an app, I have to think about it for a few hrs lol Aug 23 05:09:22 I really hope this mass distribution makes the Apple crowd shiver a little. Aug 23 05:09:26 Ryoken|Desktop: webOS does take on iOS in style. It's just missing the apps. :( Aug 23 05:09:27 Oh, wait, BOM is $318. That's bad Aug 23 05:10:17 I agree there, well mostly.. WebOS is closer to matching iOS than Android is.. it's not there yet, but I'm sure giving some life support for a year or so it could get there.. Aug 23 05:10:19 16GB is $296 plus $10 mfg Aug 23 05:10:27 can't you guys port stuff form other OS? how much of a difference is Android to WebOS? Aug 23 05:10:50 Error: Sorry, that is not a valid serial number. Aug 23 05:10:50 wtf Aug 23 05:10:56 Tha $275 is for auctions ending in the last hour. Aug 23 05:11:03 I copied it from "Manage my Device" in my palm profile Aug 23 05:11:18 Bajan: very different, java/dax based -> web tech Aug 23 05:12:31 lol Aug 23 05:12:50 how about going after businesses and banks ect create apps for them Aug 23 05:12:51 WebOS needs the same thing BB has, a program that will run Android apps.. Not that is matters though, Android has lots of apps, but almost all of them are crap :/ Aug 23 05:13:02 Anyone know what the popout thing is on the side of the TouchPad? Seems to come partially out on mine, but not fully (and reluctant to pull too hard) - looks like an SD card slot, but no mention of it on the tech specs anywhere Aug 23 05:13:39 Radix-wrk: it's got a SIM card slot behind it. the hardware doesn't have a SIM chip though so it's useless Aug 23 05:13:43 or a 3/4G sim card Aug 23 05:14:04 weird to expose it then Aug 23 05:14:09 that was to be the next thing Aug 23 05:14:11 Ryoken|Desktop: didn't dalmaer suggest the same thing? an android player for webOS? losing him was a bit blow to webOS Aug 23 05:14:15 one design for multiple types of hw so they don't need to redesign Aug 23 05:14:28 Radix-wrk: it's probably for a 3g/4g device that takes a SIM card Aug 23 05:14:47 Donno, I'll be honest, I didn't care about webOS till Sat., around 9am when I got my tablet lol Aug 23 05:15:08 do you care for it now? Aug 23 05:15:18 Oh I love mine.. Aug 23 05:15:18 ah lol. dalmaer is a hero irrespective of webOS :) Aug 23 05:15:52 It's not complete.. but $149 vs whatever an iPad2 is going for.. I'm not gonna complain at all. Aug 23 05:16:01 I spent 14 days from a Staples couon match Aug 23 05:16:13 refurbished ipad is 299 Aug 23 05:16:17 webos multi tasking owns Aug 23 05:16:25 I returned it on Sat and got back $435 and change Aug 23 05:16:26 but i already have iphone Aug 23 05:16:28 And the "missing" elements are being worked on.. Aug 23 05:16:49 I got 3 one for me and 2 nephews Aug 23 05:17:10 Hey, is there a rule for the price difference between e-bay and retail? Aug 23 05:17:11 so who wants to sell a touchpad unopened to me? Aug 23 05:17:19 I have an iPhone too.. and I won't be moving to anything else without a very good reason.. Tablet was open for me.. only other Tablet I have is Windows based Aug 23 05:17:20 greed Aug 23 05:17:21 heh I went for 3 too, one for me, an idiot-proof web browser for my dad and a skype-video-enabled slate for my gf :) Aug 23 05:17:38 nice Aug 23 05:17:58 I wish they had put another camera in Aug 23 05:18:14 oh how many cameras does it have? Aug 23 05:18:21 I got one for my patents too.. basiclly to find out Who that guy is in the movie/show they are watching.. so they don't talk about it for the rest of the show/movie then get annoyed that they missed the plot lol Aug 23 05:18:23 meh, I had an asus transformer and I barely used the camera on that Aug 23 05:18:30 one desigh that I really liked was the Adam with the swivelling camera Aug 23 05:18:49 most tablet cameras are really bad, even the mighty iPad 2 has crappy optics Aug 23 05:18:57 It doesn't need more camers, it could use a better camera though :/ Aug 23 05:19:20 how many does it have? Aug 23 05:19:25 Even my iPhone 3GS puts it to same in picture quality.. Aug 23 05:19:26 1 Aug 23 05:19:40 Some people want 2, front and back. Aug 23 05:19:48 haha I got one for my dad so he can feel futuristic, space age and high tech. atm, he thinks he's badass for being able to nail solitaire on win 7 ;) Aug 23 05:19:51 it does not have front camera? Aug 23 05:19:57 what app makes use of the camera besides Skype? Aug 23 05:20:13 THere's a camera app Aug 23 05:20:14 i thought it has 2 Aug 23 05:20:27 grr. I miss the back gesture! Aug 23 05:20:32 app cat Aug 23 05:20:37 "the action could not be completed." Aug 23 05:20:44 I used to be able to hit the back gesture Aug 23 05:20:48 and try again Aug 23 05:21:04 now you get to ... close the app... and try again Aug 23 05:21:19 gay Aug 23 05:21:24 what was the back gesture? Aug 23 05:21:29 now its a game Aug 23 05:21:35 the thing you had on the phones Aug 23 05:21:52 I am new to WebOS Aug 23 05:21:55 slide Ur finger on bottom of screen Aug 23 05:22:05 under screen I should say Aug 23 05:22:18 direction? Aug 23 05:22:22 right to left Aug 23 05:22:35 c'mon HP catalog, I don't want to be in search mode anymore :( gimme a back button Aug 23 05:22:44 left for back Aug 23 05:23:27 that's a bug big in the app catalog .. no back button? really Aug 23 05:23:29 Hey, is there a way to list just my Skype contacts? Aug 23 05:23:30 I have seen a back button in the app search why are there on soft buttons? Aug 23 05:23:52 no* Aug 23 05:24:25 for whatever dumb reason ive never doctored my pre+ up to 2.x Aug 23 05:24:31 i guess it's about time to do that Aug 23 05:24:41 i was anticipating just going to the pre3 :( Aug 23 05:24:49 heh Aug 23 05:25:54 You'll like Just Type - it saves you time. Aug 23 05:26:00 how would one get a list of channel names for the freenode network? Aug 23 05:26:01 i use it on the tp Aug 23 05:26:17 gotta overclock your pre plus to run 2.1 good imo Aug 23 05:26:18 Bajan: /list, but it's so voluminous it may blow up your irc client Aug 23 05:26:28 wow Aug 23 05:26:35 lol Aug 23 05:27:49 OMG!!! over 32,000 channels Aug 23 05:28:08 heh Aug 23 05:28:13 I did it Aug 23 05:28:25 i just did too. guess i lived to tell the tale. Aug 23 05:28:26 I too many carded the pad Aug 23 05:28:34 do we order a keg? Aug 23 05:28:37 lol Aug 23 05:28:46 22:25 [freenode] -!- 43229 channels formed Aug 23 05:28:59 toooooooo manyyyyyy cardsssssssssssss Aug 23 05:29:04 totally amazing Aug 23 05:29:10 k lets count Aug 23 05:29:10 freenode the new dal.net? Aug 23 05:29:48 18 cards Aug 23 05:29:53 so i guess i now have 2 TPs for 1/3 the price i paid for 1 Aug 23 05:29:59 happy. sad. Aug 23 05:30:03 a lot of ram intensive ones Aug 23 05:30:21 k bedtime Aug 23 05:30:28 l8erbpeeps Aug 23 05:31:23 p.s. tmc fixed itself Aug 23 05:36:56 huh, interesting - BT keyboard goes to sleep, on-screen keyboard pops up. Type on BT keyboard, on-screen kb closes. Aug 23 05:39:18 anyone know how to extract the ssl cert from a smtp server and tell the TP to trust it? Aug 23 05:39:28 with a website, you can just point the browser at it and say "yes trust plz" Aug 23 05:39:33 but how about mail? Aug 23 05:39:56 i know where the cert manager is, but i need it as a file Aug 23 05:41:22 Ask the SMTP server admin Aug 23 05:41:43 not a good answer Aug 23 05:41:50 plus there are multiple formats that a cert can be saved as Aug 23 05:42:07 i think the openssl binary can do the right thing, but it's a special judo to make it do so Aug 23 05:45:44 openssl s_client -connect mail.whatever:port -stls smtp Aug 23 05:45:51 ok here we go: openssl s_client -starttls smtp -crlf -connect server:port Aug 23 05:45:55 heh Aug 23 05:46:25 yea, -starttls Aug 23 05:46:26 and then i just dump the BEGIN CERTIFICATE to END CERTIFICATE bit in a file, right? Aug 23 05:46:33 yes, including both Aug 23 05:46:57 can do Aug 23 05:47:12 if anything is asking, that's a PEM format Aug 23 05:47:20 (.pem or .crt typically) Aug 23 05:54:11 * DougReeder waves goodnight. Aug 23 05:55:07 dwc-: almost success. i trusted the cert, set up smtp credentials without getting yelled at Aug 23 05:55:17 but sending a mail is hanging. hrm. Aug 23 05:56:02 strace! Aug 23 05:56:07 heh. Aug 23 06:04:51 Oh god, don't look now, Oracle might buy HP. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2011/08/22/thinking-the-unthinkable-is-oracle-considering-buying-hp/ Aug 23 06:04:56 lol Aug 23 06:05:07 If that happens, webOS is dead and there is no chance for anything to be open sourced. Aug 23 06:05:15 fuck oracle. horrible company. Aug 23 06:10:36 rrix: you rang? Aug 23 06:11:12 rwhitby: see -internals, I forgot which channel I was in :) Aug 23 06:13:02 apparently bn is canceling orders from last night Aug 23 06:13:18 oh jesus, not the oracle black hole Aug 23 06:14:24 nooo, not bn Aug 23 06:14:28 my friend ordered hers from there Aug 23 06:14:43 my order is still uncanceled Aug 23 06:14:49 but twitter is buzzing about them canceling orders Aug 23 06:17:21 http://twitter.com/#!/billfishkin/status/105884548805562368 <-- I have to admit, that did occur to me Aug 23 06:19:56 awesome. the 3.0.2 sdk on windows sets up a default install with a non-working %PATH% Aug 23 06:20:06 heh Aug 23 06:20:58 good morning guys (its 8:17am) :p Aug 23 06:21:33 huh, the idea of amazon buying webos from hp is possibly intersting Aug 23 06:21:44 seems a bit far fetched though Aug 23 06:27:38 cxreg: dwc-: my friends lost two orders from bn last night Aug 23 06:27:45 One had her card charged by them first, even :( Aug 23 06:29:53 lovely Aug 23 06:29:59 im keeping a close eye on mine Aug 23 06:30:09 supposedly hp.com will have some tomorrow? Aug 23 06:34:58 hp lowered the price of the touchpad to 49 dollars Aug 23 06:35:00 http://www.hewlett-packard.org.uk/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?product_code=FB359UA%23ABA&template_type=product_detail&jumpid=ex_r11614_us/en&c=49&HHO_r329/Affiliate/FY11/TouchPad&aoid=35252 Aug 23 06:35:01 cxreg: I have a feeling if this is just a PR stunt, some shareholders would sue the shit of of HP for blowing so much money. Aug 23 06:35:30 wut! $50? Aug 23 06:35:34 yeah Aug 23 06:35:36 just ordered 3. Aug 23 06:35:39 49 pounds? Aug 23 06:36:03 zomg, just ordered 10! Aug 23 06:36:36 strange URL though.. Aug 23 06:36:44 hewlett-packard.org.uk? Aug 23 06:36:53 Even £49 would be a bargain Aug 23 06:36:53 yeah, it's their UK site. it's legit Aug 23 06:37:00 hm Aug 23 06:37:29 i just got notice that 3.0.2 68 is available Aug 23 06:38:18 not sure how that's different from what I had, but okay Aug 23 06:38:34 what, isn't that site a troll? :/ Aug 23 06:38:42 * hiemanshu remembers seeing something about it Aug 23 06:38:43 <[Author]> lulz at the charging dock being more expensive. Aug 23 06:39:10 I'd be fine with Amazon buying webOS. They are certainly interested in the tablet market. Aug 23 06:39:28 it pisses me off that hp bought palm Aug 23 06:39:30 then let it die. Aug 23 06:39:34 that's for real Aug 23 06:39:43 and I don't think Google is too happy about them getting into the Android market Aug 23 06:40:07 tbh Aug 23 06:40:11 monopolies are ba Aug 23 06:40:11 d Aug 23 06:40:12 bigguy: Well, if HP didn't buy them, Apple would have, stripped them of patents, and shut the company down. Aug 23 06:40:17 ick Aug 23 06:40:19 yeah Aug 23 06:40:21 that's true Aug 23 06:40:21 ^^ Aug 23 06:41:06 most potential suitors wanted to shut the company down right away, and grab the patents. That's why Rubenstein chose HP. Aug 23 06:41:08 and honestly, I think webOS is in the best chance to succeed at this moment. It never had a chance with the way HP was coasting along. Aug 23 06:41:12 <[Author]> bigguy, they did the same thing to compaq Aug 23 06:41:13 Shadyman: 3.0.2 is the huge system update that ironed out a lot of the initial bugs Aug 23 06:41:16 hhm Aug 23 06:42:38 joej: Indeed. But I already installed it? Aug 23 06:43:01 At least I thought so Aug 23 06:43:02 Shadyman: then idk haha Aug 23 06:43:21 maybe downloaded but never installed Aug 23 06:43:23 * Shadyman shrugs Aug 23 06:44:07 do you guys think web os has a better UI than android or apple? Aug 23 06:44:20 23:31 < bigguy> hp lowered the price of the touchpad to 49 dollars Aug 23 06:44:23 I wouldn't order from there Aug 23 06:44:27 ^ Aug 23 06:44:29 crazy8 from my experience with the Palm Pre, yes. Aug 23 06:44:36 the more i play around with it, the more it grows on me Aug 23 06:44:42 Registrant: Aug 23 06:44:43 Phillip Sullivan Aug 23 06:44:47 Relevant dates: Aug 23 06:44:47 Registered on: 23-Aug-2011 Aug 23 06:44:47 Renewal date: 23-Aug-2013 Aug 23 06:44:47 Last updated: 23-Aug-2011 Aug 23 06:44:48 i <3 the whole multitasking cards idea Aug 23 06:45:02 dgathright: ^ see above Aug 23 06:45:07 bigguy: see above Aug 23 06:45:09 dwc-: Uh, no? When I looked it up, it was HP org Aug 23 06:45:13 woop woop Aug 23 06:45:18 http://www.whois.net/whois/hewlett-packard.org.uk Aug 23 06:45:34 oh wait, .org? Aug 23 06:45:35 wtf. Aug 23 06:45:36 lol, dude, add a TP to your cart Aug 23 06:46:11 dwc-: I highly encourage you to go through the check out process on that site ;) Aug 23 06:46:17 hehe Aug 23 06:47:02 not looking to buy from a UK site anyways Aug 23 06:47:05 btw the proper top level domain in the UK is ".or.uk" not ".org.uk" Aug 23 06:47:24 crazy8: I have two webOS devices and two iOS devices, and yes, I think webOS has a better UI than iOS, and a much better UI than Android. Aug 23 06:47:36 Android UI makes my head a splode Aug 23 06:47:48 the $ currency on a co.uk website was a dead giveaway. Aug 23 06:48:56 ^ Aug 23 06:49:57 hi ab_ Aug 23 06:50:09 dgathwright: yeah, even the unlocking mechanism i like on webos better Aug 23 06:50:13 Hi jjhhff Aug 23 06:51:03 any one worked on linkedin Aug 23 06:51:23 how to make a oauth request in webos app for linkedin Aug 23 06:52:28 FYI, that http://www.hewlett-packard.org.uk/ site does not appear to be registered by any HP corporate entity. Aug 23 06:53:11 ofc, its a troll Aug 23 06:53:59 dkirker: it's a rick-roll :) Aug 23 06:54:19 rwhitby: Ah, I didn't bother to click through anything on there... Aug 23 06:54:34 very cute though :P Aug 23 06:55:09 * dwc- didn't even bother loading the site... looked too suspicious Aug 23 06:55:19 dwc-: I was in that boat too. Aug 23 06:55:28 But, hey. I love a genuine rick roll. :D Aug 23 06:55:59 I went on the assumption it was a phish or malware site Aug 23 06:56:05 or rather, didn't go Aug 23 06:58:00 rwhitby: oh, that tweet is evil :P Aug 23 06:58:58 dkirker, what tweet? Aug 23 06:59:45 Txyru: Well, either rwhitby posted a tweet with that link that assumed it was bad like me, or he's just having some plain old fun. :P Aug 23 07:00:05 can you link me to the tweet Aug 23 07:00:34 Alright guys and gals. I need to get some sleep. Gonna keep busy this week. :) Aug 23 07:00:44 hi hotdp Aug 23 07:01:08 hey Aug 23 07:01:09 Apparently I scared him away... :| Aug 23 07:01:22 dkirker: no way I'd be playing you like that ;) Aug 23 07:01:24 can someone help me to get a grid view dynamically filled with images? Aug 23 07:01:32 the documentation is pretty much nonexistant Aug 23 07:01:34 rwhitby: you are evil :P Aug 23 07:01:48 LOL rwhitby Aug 23 07:01:52 total troll site Aug 23 07:01:53 rwhitby: you twitted about it? Aug 23 07:01:55 tweeted rather Aug 23 07:01:56 it doesnt even ask for cc Aug 23 07:02:06 yeah... anyone who thinks it's a scam is, uh Aug 23 07:02:07 yeah Aug 23 07:02:08 lol Aug 23 07:02:13 Godmorning Aug 23 07:02:22 nothing like squishing a child's dreams Aug 23 07:02:23 what's a scam? Aug 23 07:02:25 godmorning indeed :) Aug 23 07:02:27 i mean a full grown man's dream ^ Aug 23 07:02:35 mots_: I think there's an enyo example that does just that Aug 23 07:03:02 http://ompldr.org/vYTBreQ Aug 23 07:03:08 Did everyone pick up their $99/$149 tablets? Aug 23 07:03:08 this is what i'd like to have Aug 23 07:03:13 http://pastie.org/2415469 Aug 23 07:03:25 this is my code (webOS noob, first time trying to use it) Aug 23 07:04:32 mots_, what problem you having? Aug 23 07:04:43 is the 3.0.0 -> 3.0.2 OTA update still working? (and will it work with a metadoctored 'pad? Aug 23 07:05:09 what is enyo? i keep hearing that word Aug 23 07:05:26 enyo is part of the sdk/pdk Aug 23 07:05:40 oh ok Aug 23 07:06:05 though the thing I hate about the sdk is the emulator doesn't do opengl apps, what I was working on (sdl) Aug 23 07:06:11 it's the javascript framework for the touchpad Aug 23 07:06:18 yeah, that Aug 23 07:06:19 :) Aug 23 07:06:33 Ironsight, MovieView.js:26 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'refresh' of undefined Aug 23 07:06:45 i still don't quite get the $ Aug 23 07:06:55 seems to work sometimes, but fail most of the time Aug 23 07:06:56 :P Aug 23 07:06:58 enyo is pretty cool, but I"ll stick to c++ Aug 23 07:07:38 enyo? Aug 23 07:07:42 lol Aug 23 07:08:15 Ironsight, Shadyman: any idea where I fucked up? Aug 23 07:08:25 * Ironsight is no javascript guru Aug 23 07:09:03 this.$.whatever.refresh() ? Aug 23 07:09:03 haven't used it but once 5-8 years ago for about 6 months Aug 23 07:09:48 I'm pretty sure that you probably just need to do something like this.$.MovieGrid.refersh() Aug 23 07:10:03 Does anyone know if anyone started refresh* Aug 23 07:10:05 but, I am still learning Enyo (I really should know more) Aug 23 07:10:07 erm Aug 23 07:10:11 refresh* Aug 23 07:11:00 ok Aug 23 07:11:06 'night everyone! Aug 23 07:11:07 enyo.Grid doesn't have refresh() Aug 23 07:11:08 night Aug 23 07:11:16 but why does nothing show up then? Aug 23 07:11:18 What is enyo.Grid? Aug 23 07:11:22 Is that just a grid? Aug 23 07:11:29 shouldnt it be filled with 100 dummy items? Aug 23 07:11:32 kesne, yeah Aug 23 07:12:01 http://pastie.org/2415496 Aug 23 07:12:04 this is the new code Aug 23 07:12:07 doesn't error Aug 23 07:12:12 but doesn't do shit, either Aug 23 07:12:31 mots_: call the render method Aug 23 07:12:34 Is there a way to view the full app store without the device? I am getting mine in a couple of days, and wanted to get a head start on a project, but wanted to see what was already out there before I made something someone else already has. Aug 23 07:13:05 Ironsight: I don't believe so. Aug 23 07:13:11 damn Aug 23 07:13:20 my emulator doesn't pull it up either Aug 23 07:13:29 Ironsight: I don't think so. Been there. done that Aug 23 07:13:46 Someone should make something that indexes all/most of that Aug 23 07:13:54 kesne, http://pastie.org/2415501 Aug 23 07:13:55 Anyways, any way I could help, Ironsight? Aug 23 07:14:00 even used it twice for good measure Aug 23 07:14:05 moviegrid is still empty Aug 23 07:14:12 did anyone port aquaria to it yet? Aug 23 07:14:32 mots_: I've never used enyo.Grid Aug 23 07:14:34 it's one of the first humble bundle games, written in c++ and sdl Aug 23 07:14:45 kesne, seems like nobody has Aug 23 07:14:48 :P Aug 23 07:15:09 mots_: You don't have to render the scroller. Aug 23 07:15:25 Try calling createComponent off of this.$.MovieGrid Aug 23 07:16:06 i wonder if i should assume that if bn has assigned my order a UPC that it's going to ship Aug 23 07:16:15 kesne, still empty Aug 23 07:16:17 Ironsight: doesn't look like it Aug 23 07:16:19 UPC=universal product code? wouldn't count on it Aug 23 07:16:29 good deal Aug 23 07:16:32 mots_: solution: don't use grid Aug 23 07:16:46 kesne, I need one for my kick-ass xbmc remote :< Aug 23 07:16:49 hmm Aug 23 07:16:52 fake it? Aug 23 07:19:39 mots_: I took a look at enyo-build.js and it seems like grid isn't quite done yet Aug 23 07:19:49 you mean like a table? Aug 23 07:19:50 That might just be me though Aug 23 07:19:56 You could try addControl Aug 23 07:19:58 Ironsight: yeah Aug 23 07:20:02 dwc-: why not? doesn't upc refer to a particular instance of a product? Aug 23 07:21:27 upc is a code that identify's the product ID (most commonly known as a bar code) Aug 23 07:21:48 all touchpad 16gb's have the same upc, and all 32 gigs have the same upc... Aug 23 07:21:53 etc Aug 23 07:21:56 ^ what he said Aug 23 07:22:37 kesne, any examples? Aug 23 07:22:48 I'm really new to enyo Aug 23 07:23:14 mots_: No, sorry. I'm the best at Enyo. Aug 23 07:23:40 Ask someone like dkirker, and he'll tell you who to really talk to about it. Aug 23 07:23:47 has a theming system come to the touchpads? Aug 23 07:24:01 for gui themes Aug 23 07:24:09 What is the question? Aug 23 07:24:38 dkirker, he wants to create a grid/table of sorts for his enyo app Aug 23 07:24:53 dkirker, http://ompldr.org/vYTBreQ something like this Aug 23 07:24:59 and dynamically fill it Aug 23 07:25:27 http://pastie.org/2415539 this is my code so far Aug 23 07:25:30 doesn't work Aug 23 07:25:30 :P Aug 23 07:25:37 mots_: you should actually just open the photo app code Aug 23 07:25:46 mots_: You could probably check out the photos app reference code in the SDK Aug 23 07:25:59 hm that's what I tried Aug 23 07:26:08 but it's pretty overwhelming for a new developer Aug 23 07:27:25 Writing maintainable cross-platform code isn't fun Aug 23 07:27:57 * Ironsight nods to that Aug 23 07:28:38 well, sometimes it's not soo bad as long as you stay away from OS specific system calls, or OS specific languages Aug 23 07:28:38 I've resorted to having a big fat object that holds all of flex variables, so I can change a lot of the calculations with not a code. Aug 23 07:29:24 And using the variables to do all the stuff. Aug 23 07:29:34 I'm thinking of writing a mojo -> enyo code converter Aug 23 07:29:51 moyou'll probably be using vflexboxes containing hflexboxes Aug 23 07:29:56 mots_: ^^ Aug 23 07:30:12 Actually, scratch that Aug 23 07:30:14 Check out AlbumGridView.js in the photo ampp refcode Aug 23 07:30:22 I really want to write Enyo++ though Aug 23 07:30:29 dkirker, trying to make sense of it right now Aug 23 07:30:30 :D Aug 23 07:30:43 Check out the AlbumGridView kind Aug 23 07:30:57 http://blog.technisode.com/post/8545758113/enyo-daily-11-animated-grid-layout Aug 23 07:31:03 this sounds like it could work? Aug 23 07:32:09 Also, my recommendation is that if you have never written Enyo before, give some of the tutorials a try first. https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/enyo-basics-from-the-bottom-up.html Aug 23 07:32:21 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial.html Aug 23 07:32:37 Because you'll get lost really quickly understanding how kinds work, and how events are processed. Aug 23 07:32:52 It is a-typical compared to C/C++ style programs. Aug 23 07:33:09 dkirker, i did some of those already Aug 23 07:33:22 ok, great! :) Aug 23 07:33:43 Another good place: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/flex-layouts.html Aug 23 07:34:26 Anyway, I really need to get to bed now. I have a bunch of apps to review later in the morning (I am sure :) ), and an important meeting as well. Aug 23 07:34:37 peace dkirker Aug 23 07:34:44 good night! Aug 23 07:34:53 dkirker, good night and thanks :) Aug 23 07:34:56 If you need any more help, I'll try to lurk here when I can. Aug 23 07:35:02 anytime mots_ Aug 23 07:35:36 * Ironsight wonders if SDL covers multi-touch events Aug 23 07:35:45 * Ironsight looks it up Aug 23 07:37:35 Ironsight: I think it doe Aug 23 07:37:37 *does Aug 23 07:37:41 If you PDL, at least Aug 23 07:38:06 according to the sdl mailing list, you can setup coordinates of the screen to act as perhaps joystick hat switches Aug 23 07:38:34 Okay, bam, just started a SDL/openGL C++ Enyo Clone Aug 23 07:39:11 o.O Aug 23 07:43:31 dkirker: You're with HP now, right? Aug 23 07:45:00 kesne: yeah i think he's with dev relations Aug 23 07:45:10 aka the people that rocks your socks Aug 23 07:45:27 is there a good terminal/shell kind of app available for webos (for users who don't have access to the paid market) Aug 23 07:45:37 I thought he was app review? Aug 23 07:45:47 * Ironsight wants to know why everyone is so antsy to get android on these things... webos seems like the perfect hackfest. You don't even need to jailbreak it... (sneers at touch-droid team's attitude) Aug 23 07:46:10 Ironsight: Android has a future ;) Aug 23 07:46:23 webos isn't completely opensource? Aug 23 07:46:32 Ironsight: Nope Aug 23 07:46:37 I miss the old webOS development system Aug 23 07:46:43 kesne: i think dev relations handle everything that is developer-facing, including approve/rejecting apps ;) Aug 23 07:46:52 joej: Ah Aug 23 07:47:00 again, im not a developer Aug 23 07:47:08 so don't take my word :) Aug 23 07:47:34 yeah, I think the second our flash version falls out of date, people will jump ship quick, hell, my google chrome fell out of date a few times on the flash plugin for youtube and I freaked... Aug 23 07:48:04 Ironsight: I think most of the team don't have touchpads in their hands yet. Expect attitude to change once they get play time with webos Aug 23 07:48:15 * Ironsight nods nods Aug 23 07:48:20 makes sense Aug 23 07:48:36 just from playing with the emulator I love it Aug 23 07:48:47 Ironsight: Nobody cares about Flash Aug 23 07:48:58 don't be so sure :( Aug 23 07:49:04 I disagree Aug 23 07:49:16 flash (unfortunately) is still a big part of our web Aug 23 07:49:17 dual booting android with webos is actually a pretty good solution to the "app shortage" problem Aug 23 07:49:19 flash brings much enjoyment to the table Aug 23 07:49:27 dual booting yes Aug 23 07:49:40 I've never used Flash on my TouchPad Aug 23 07:50:01 thou having used both system I insist top flight webos apps are miles ahead of android Aug 23 07:50:35 flash is also not finger friendly :( Aug 23 07:50:35 kesne, many people love things like hulu/youtube/facebook flash games/newgrounds Aug 23 07:51:16 Hulu doesn't work on TouchPad Aug 23 07:51:17 and there's too many sites that look bunked up without flash Aug 23 07:51:28 according to news it did Aug 23 07:51:34 but they could be wrong Aug 23 07:51:51 I don't know for sure, I haven't tried Aug 23 07:51:55 Ironsight: Unless it's changed recently. Aug 23 07:52:13 nothing worse than being on the go and not being able to access a hotels website or see results on a webste or order something because it all relies on flash Aug 23 07:53:15 at least you can get by without java on most sites Aug 23 07:53:26 kesne: hulu works, unless they started blocking recently Aug 23 07:53:49 given how much steam the device had picked up this weekend, hulu might just do that now Aug 23 07:54:05 especially since news sources are talking about hulu on it Aug 23 07:54:13 :( Aug 23 07:54:20 Weirdness, I recall it blocking hulu from when I had the prototype Aug 23 07:54:36 oh well Aug 23 07:54:36 maybe they worked around the block Aug 23 07:54:44 ;) Aug 23 07:54:47 Okay, so maybe flash is nice Aug 23 07:55:16 hm Aug 23 07:55:24 another try Aug 23 07:55:25 http://mots.limun.org/dump/webos/XBMC_Remote/ Aug 23 07:55:31 the list should be a grid Aug 23 07:55:44 relevant source code: http://mots.limun.org/dump/webos/XBMC_Remote/source/extras.Grid.js and http://mots.limun.org/dump/webos/XBMC_Remote/source/MovieView.js Aug 23 07:55:57 00:48 < kesne> Hulu doesn't work on TouchPad Aug 23 07:55:58 looking awesome so far Aug 23 07:56:02 hulu worked for me earlier today Aug 23 07:56:10 This is who the slickdeals touchpad hunters remind me of - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44 Aug 23 07:56:27 00:47 -!- wesuy [8271381@g5u0081c.atlanta.hewlett-packard.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] Aug 23 07:56:29 mots_, is this a remote for your xbox with xbmc on it? Aug 23 07:56:33 if i remove the flex @ MovieView:14, i can't see the "grid" at all Aug 23 07:56:34 mots Aug 23 07:56:35 that domain looks familiar... Aug 23 07:56:35 er Aug 23 07:56:41 Ironsight, yeah, or htpc Aug 23 07:56:44 kesne: i think hulu blocks by checking the brower's user-agent. did your prototype masquerade as another device ;)? Aug 23 07:56:45 nice! Aug 23 07:56:50 I might just use that app then :) Aug 23 07:57:04 mots_: Change the peek on the slider Aug 23 07:57:07 yay, I got my first future user Aug 23 07:57:08 :D Aug 23 07:57:29 I'll help beta, I have 2 xboxes with xbmc :) Aug 23 07:58:03 pretty old versions though, they have been shelved since I got my roku2 Aug 23 07:58:28 kesne, what to? Aug 23 07:58:41 mots_: Let me think Aug 23 07:59:10 Ironsight, you should really get a htpc with xbmc Aug 23 07:59:14 best media frontend ever Aug 23 07:59:29 sabayon linux comes with it out of the box as a gdm session Aug 23 07:59:54 I can install it on my asus g60 that's collecting dust :) Aug 23 08:00:21 mots_: mainview.js Aug 23 08:00:31 Add this to your Content Pane Aug 23 08:00:32 peekWidth: 56, Aug 23 08:01:25 gotta love the 1024x768 resolution for easy porting of opensource games. That's a pretty standard resolution to work with. Aug 23 08:01:31 kesne, did that Aug 23 08:01:35 can't see any changes Aug 23 08:01:37 :o Aug 23 08:01:40 mots_: Upload it? Aug 23 08:01:47 i'm on it Aug 23 08:02:15 Ha! Aug 23 08:02:17 IT WORKS Aug 23 08:02:18 Okay Aug 23 08:02:24 Try sliding over the left pane Aug 23 08:02:24 does it? Aug 23 08:02:51 I haven't even bothered to try with the grid. Looking now though, heh Aug 23 08:03:04 oh Aug 23 08:03:05 i see Aug 23 08:03:06 :P Aug 23 08:03:40 Where is the grid code? Aug 23 08:03:45 For you implementation? Aug 23 08:03:50 http://mots.limun.org/dump/webos/XBMC_Remote/source/extras.Grid.js Aug 23 08:03:55 it's not my implementation Aug 23 08:04:00 where is yours? Aug 23 08:04:06 took it from here: http://blog.technisode.com/post/8545758113/enyo-daily-11-animated-grid-layout Aug 23 08:04:09 oh Aug 23 08:04:10 I see Aug 23 08:04:24 Man, I have no idea Aug 23 08:04:44 i can't be the first person to need a grid view in his app? :D Aug 23 08:05:05 You probably are Aug 23 08:05:45 my gui's are always falling the princible of k.i.s.s Aug 23 08:06:03 doesn' the facebook app have a grid? Aug 23 08:06:35 the mail app is pretty grid like Aug 23 08:07:34 Ironsight: How? Aug 23 08:07:46 well, more like frames Aug 23 08:07:58 Panes Aug 23 08:08:08 hard to explain that mail app, it's like nothing I have seen before at all Aug 23 08:08:45 sliding panes? Aug 23 08:09:15 kesne: what apps did you build? Aug 23 08:09:37 joej: On Enyo, webOS, or in general Aug 23 08:10:01 whats enyo Aug 23 08:10:35 linuxuz3r: You're joking, right? Aug 23 08:10:42 kesne: webos Aug 23 08:11:09 you should read the developer site :) Aug 23 08:11:22 explains all that good stuff Aug 23 08:11:27 i dont have touchpad Aug 23 08:11:32 id like to buy one Aug 23 08:11:34 lol Aug 23 08:11:39 joej: Checkers, Checkers 2, Perfect Bounce, Planet Eaters, Camera for TouchPad, and a few others Aug 23 08:11:40 I got lucky Aug 23 08:11:52 I got mine ages ago Aug 23 08:12:41 My wife got the samsung galaxy tab 2 weeks ago for 600, I felt ripped off when this sale happend Aug 23 08:12:54 I have the tab 10.1 Aug 23 08:12:58 ditto Aug 23 08:12:59 I like it Aug 23 08:13:01 its nice Aug 23 08:13:09 just had a decent update too Aug 23 08:13:23 indeed Aug 23 08:13:34 no more need for a task killer anymore Aug 23 08:13:36 built in one Aug 23 08:13:56 the whole task killer concept on android is insanity Aug 23 08:13:58 i love how that's an "improvement" Aug 23 08:14:02 kesne: great looking bunch you've got there Aug 23 08:14:03 I know right Aug 23 08:14:16 joej: I've got a few coming. Aug 23 08:14:18 android "multitasking" Aug 23 08:14:20 I like webos' idea of task killing more Aug 23 08:14:27 send that card a flying Aug 23 08:14:42 Mancala, Darts HD, Checkers 3, and BitBoy Aug 23 08:14:49 daaaang Aug 23 08:15:08 consider my $0.99 yours when/if I eventually get my touchpad shipped Aug 23 08:15:09 BitBoy is just a working title though Aug 23 08:15:43 ooh, darts Aug 23 08:15:44 :) Aug 23 08:15:49 Yes! Darts Aug 23 08:15:59 my onsale.com order still says shipping soon Aug 23 08:16:05 joej: Sweet, thanks! Aug 23 08:16:06 best video game darts game I played was in shenmue on dreamcast Aug 23 08:16:07 man I wish they would either cancel or it tell me it's gonna ship Aug 23 08:16:10 bitboy is a very intriguing name *strokes beard* Aug 23 08:16:16 joej: we've got an amazing support team, too Aug 23 08:16:22 joej: if you ever have a problem Aug 23 08:16:27 3d dartboard? Aug 23 08:16:39 kesne: your mom does customer support? Aug 23 08:16:42 Ironsight: 2.5D Aug 23 08:16:46 cxreg: Haha Aug 23 08:16:50 cxreg: No Aug 23 08:17:01 :-) Aug 23 08:17:23 We've got 3 peeps working the emails/calls. Aug 23 08:17:49 We even issue refunds! Aug 23 08:17:56 At 120% of the purchase price! Aug 23 08:18:04 o.O Aug 23 08:18:11 kesne: was app sales in the 1.4.5/2.0 era enough to sustain your team? Aug 23 08:18:21 let me buy a few games and get refunds then, I'm getting down in funds Aug 23 08:18:25 ;) Aug 23 08:18:27 i mean, before this whole fiasco Aug 23 08:18:45 joej: If I paid them, no. It's a side operation. Aug 23 08:19:02 oh, you kidnap people too/ Aug 23 08:19:04 XMLHttpRequest cannot load http://localhost:8088/jsonrpc?VideoLibrary.GetMovies. Origin http://127.0.0.1:1234 is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin. Aug 23 08:19:06 aha. Aug 23 08:19:07 (in chrome) Aug 23 08:19:10 how do I fix that? Aug 23 08:19:15 mots_: Don't use chrome Aug 23 08:19:39 get like safari for windows just for testing :) Aug 23 08:19:50 oh great Aug 23 08:19:51 let's hope with all these fresh devices we finally have a large enough user base for developers to make a living ;) Aug 23 08:19:55 or whatever os you use Aug 23 08:20:03 last time i checked safari it was a bloated pos Aug 23 08:20:11 joej: I've made like 4-5k in the past month on Camera for TouchPad Aug 23 08:20:18 mots_: not in OS X Aug 23 08:20:20 if you are linux, I think you can use rekonq Aug 23 08:20:36 joej, i'm not in OS X ;P Aug 23 08:20:39 kesne: but that's literally a killer app Aug 23 08:20:41 guess i should fix my linux Aug 23 08:20:46 and use another webos browser Aug 23 08:20:48 that's like zhephree's foursquare Aug 23 08:21:03 joej: Checkers has 500,000+ downloads, but it's free Aug 23 08:21:04 the hp app catalog is still not showing paid apps in australia - or you'd make even more on apps I'm sure Aug 23 08:21:34 good for you, kesne! Aug 23 08:21:54 joej: That's more than Foursquare! :P Aug 23 08:22:05 kesne: i liked the checkers app on my pre, but found the AI to be a bit too easy to fool Aug 23 08:22:18 i could cheat by just never leaving my back row Aug 23 08:22:28 * kesne points to Checkers 3 Aug 23 08:22:37 hm Aug 23 08:22:39 * kesne blames Checkers AI to the open source dev Aug 23 08:22:42 heh Aug 23 08:22:42 didn't have checkers on my pre, but used foursquare almost everyday Aug 23 08:22:45 *ducks* Aug 23 08:23:00 * kesne blames Checkers 2 AI on rushed production. Aug 23 08:23:13 Checkers 3 uses the PDK for AI Aug 23 08:23:17 cool Aug 23 08:23:45 talking about AI, Stanford university is starting a free AI programming course Aug 23 08:24:03 over 100,000 people signed up Aug 23 08:24:05 kesne: 4-5k $? That sounds pretty good. Aug 23 08:24:07 I know! Aug 23 08:24:13 gokr: for a month, yeah Aug 23 08:24:16 any free UI programming courses? Aug 23 08:24:27 not yet Aug 23 08:24:28 Speaking of Stanford, I'm applying there next month Aug 23 08:24:30 kesne: made much from the camera? Aug 23 08:24:32 kesne: Nice to hear. Aug 23 08:24:33 especially for a dollar app Aug 23 08:24:39 database programming, ai and something else Aug 23 08:24:44 I think machine language Aug 23 08:24:46 cxreg: 4-5k... Aug 23 08:25:09 oh sorry you just said that Aug 23 08:25:11 nice Aug 23 08:25:13 Heh Aug 23 08:25:44 not seeing checkers 3 (or 2) Aug 23 08:25:46 They probably are making AI programming for free since they saw how bad the AI was in crysis 2 Aug 23 08:26:13 cxreg: it doesn't exist yet Aug 23 08:26:16 It's in development Aug 23 08:26:24 oh it's just the version of the checkers app, not a new app Aug 23 08:26:24 We're writing it from scratch Aug 23 08:26:24 ok Aug 23 08:26:31 Checkers 3 is Aug 23 08:26:40 Checkers 2 is just the new version of Checkers Aug 23 08:26:56 Checkers 3 is awesome. Aug 23 08:27:01 Checkers 2 is alright. Aug 23 08:27:04 Chinese checkers FTW Aug 23 08:27:06 :) Aug 23 08:27:11 racist Aug 23 08:27:21 lawl Aug 23 08:27:28 lol Aug 23 08:27:51 chinese checkers with 3d marbles even better Aug 23 08:27:57 mary ann's a bitch Aug 23 08:29:18 ok Aug 23 08:29:23 same problem in safari Aug 23 08:29:24 :P Aug 23 08:29:31 XMLHttpRequest cannot load http://localhost:8088/jsonrpc?VideoLibrary.GetMovies. Origin http://localhost:1234 is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin. Aug 23 08:30:03 my trick still works in checkers 2 Aug 23 08:30:08 it'd be nice if it did not in 3 :) Aug 23 08:30:15 fyi, what im doing breaks the rules Aug 23 08:30:51 only in 12 states Aug 23 08:31:13 ok Aug 23 08:31:21 seems like a server problem Aug 23 08:31:22 great Aug 23 08:31:36 as in the xbmc server? Aug 23 08:32:39 has anybody ordered a touchpad from office depot? Aug 23 08:33:01 nope, but I wish I caught the 49.99 deal from staples Aug 23 08:33:10 that was godlike Aug 23 08:33:12 I still call BS on that Aug 23 08:34:10 I ended up using ebay, and snagged one for 125 :/ Aug 23 08:34:37 I think the whole Staples $50 thing was hearsay Aug 23 08:34:45 a whole lot of it Aug 23 08:34:46 no reason they'd do that... Aug 23 08:35:10 YES. I just phone the store and they have my TP32 and want 150 pounds for it. It sounds fair. Aug 23 08:35:26 heck yeah Aug 23 08:35:31 better be first in line Aug 23 08:35:34 Also have two ordered from amazon.co.uk for 89 a piece, but who knows if those will arrive :) Aug 23 08:36:07 I'll probably get mine in a week and a half, the shop I bought from had 7k units to ship out Aug 23 08:36:18 Are you in the US or? Aug 23 08:36:22 yes Aug 23 08:36:25 oh well still cant find touchpad for 150 or less Aug 23 08:36:29 I am visiting UK. Aug 23 08:36:50 And I am on a dev conference so I want to flaunt it :) Aug 23 08:36:56 :) Aug 23 08:37:03 Ironsight, can you buy me a touchpad? Aug 23 08:37:04 150 pounds is like $230 Aug 23 08:37:29 Yeah, but we europeans seem to have to live with that. Aug 23 08:37:37 :\ Aug 23 08:37:46 Given that it was 429 pounds before ... :) Aug 23 08:38:00 linuxuz3r, trade you a touchpad for a galaxy tab ;) Aug 23 08:38:24 Ok, gonna grab a taxi I think and go get it... cya Aug 23 08:38:26 just kiddin, that would be highway robbery Aug 23 08:38:29 peace Aug 23 08:38:32 good luck mate Aug 23 08:38:48 Perhaps someone clubs me down outside the store and steals it from me.. :) Aug 23 08:38:59 cya Aug 23 08:39:02 oh Aug 23 08:39:10 so can you buy me a touchpad? Aug 23 08:39:43 I know here in kentucky, both walmarts and staples, and office depots, and office max' and walmarts were ALL sold out in the first 5 minutes of their doors opening Aug 23 08:39:52 lol Aug 23 08:39:57 I said walmart twice Aug 23 08:40:14 ok Aug 23 08:40:29 linuxuz3r, people are selling em on ebay Aug 23 08:40:40 for 200+ dollars nope Aug 23 08:41:08 id buy a xoom for that price Aug 23 08:41:09 yeah Aug 23 08:41:16 ugh to xoom Aug 23 08:41:55 you dont have honeycomb device? Aug 23 08:42:03 Ironsight: from what I hear most places didn't even have very many of them to begin with. My friend grabbed two from Office Depot, they apparently only had three in total Aug 23 08:42:17 I have a 3.1 honeycomb galaxy tab Aug 23 08:42:26 ok Aug 23 08:42:30 zomg, indeed Aug 23 08:42:48 walmart only had a couple, bestbuy refused to sell to me :( Aug 23 08:42:56 bestbuy wanted to ship them all back Aug 23 08:43:03 they said "there was a recall" Aug 23 08:43:42 more like they forced a recall Aug 23 08:44:05 how would you compare your android to the touchpad? Aug 23 08:44:39 I don't have the hardware in my hands yet, but I know my galaxy tab has a better screen than that xoom Aug 23 08:45:02 galaxy tab needs a contract Aug 23 08:45:06 nope Aug 23 08:45:12 i dont wanna buy a contract Aug 23 08:45:18 got it contract free from best buy Aug 23 08:45:29 hmm Aug 23 08:45:30 how Aug 23 08:45:30 $599 for the 32gb Aug 23 08:45:39 isnt it a phone also? Aug 23 08:45:44 not this model Aug 23 08:45:50 galaxy tab 10.1 Aug 23 08:46:01 its tegra right Aug 23 08:46:40 i got to sleep Aug 23 08:46:50 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+Galaxy+Tab+10.1+-+32GB+-+Metallic+Gray/2817743.p?id=1218353419263&skuId=2817743&st=2775261,%202775455,%202817582,%202817743_&cp=1&lp=2 Aug 23 08:47:02 umm, I dunno Aug 23 08:47:12 I ... don't think so Aug 23 08:49:07 the screen protector was a pain to install on that Aug 23 08:49:12 took me about an hour Aug 23 08:49:41 sitting there with a squeegee pushing bubbles out to the sides Aug 23 08:50:02 can you tell me what 3d games you can play on touchpad Aug 23 08:50:34 yeah its kinda hard to install screen protector Aug 23 08:51:13 I saw some EA racing game (hot pursuit?) being played on it Aug 23 08:51:23 and some combat flight game Aug 23 08:51:37 basically whatever you can port using SDL should work just fine Aug 23 08:51:47 I want to try to port warzone 2100 and aquaria Aug 23 08:51:54 i guess thats what i played at fries Aug 23 08:51:58 I think warzone would rock on that device Aug 23 08:52:07 but i cant remember if it was the playbook or the touch pad Aug 23 08:52:29 its the playbook right not the blackbook Aug 23 08:52:43 I've heard of the playbook Aug 23 08:52:45 fries==frys Aug 23 08:53:00 sdl Aug 23 08:53:15 blackberry makes the playbook Aug 23 08:53:29 (I don't know how blackberry is still floating) Aug 23 08:53:47 oh yeah, because tons of businesses still use blackberries Aug 23 08:54:03 * Ironsight shrugs Aug 23 08:54:46 also rioters Aug 23 08:54:52 blackberry is the #1 choice for rioters Aug 23 08:55:03 lol Aug 23 08:55:14 lol Aug 23 08:55:42 I had one blackberry that was a hand-me-down (some old pos), and I couldn't stand it Aug 23 08:56:08 I want a Swinging Sticks Kinetic Energy Sculpture Aug 23 08:56:31 you would navigate the thing using what looked like a volume knob on a 1990's walkman cassete player, and you would click down on the thing to select Aug 23 08:56:46 cassette* Aug 23 08:57:31 kinda like a mouse wheel I guess Aug 23 08:58:07 http://www.frys.com/product/6537883?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG Aug 23 08:58:13 ohz really Aug 23 08:58:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjfejVNRqQg Aug 23 08:58:39 windows 7 on a tablet... Aug 23 08:58:43 hrm Aug 23 08:59:21 dunno about that Aug 23 08:59:53 might be useful for photoshoppers with a stylus Aug 23 09:00:07 *if* it can run photoshop Aug 23 09:00:32 install photoshop, have 10 megs left of storage Aug 23 09:01:10 welcome back **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 09:06:07 2011 Aug 23 09:08:24 bah! Aug 23 09:08:57 Due to unexpected customer demand for this item, our inventory was depleted prior to your order being processed so we are unable to fulfill this item as requested. Consequently, we have canceled your order and you will not be billed for this amount. Aug 23 09:08:59 crap Aug 23 09:09:04 no touchpad for me then :( Aug 23 09:09:33 rwhitby, it's opensource Aug 23 09:09:46 it's on n900, so technically, it's on arm Aug 23 09:09:55 nusuey that form bn.com? Aug 23 09:09:59 from Aug 23 09:10:07 Ironsight: got a link to the source handy? Aug 23 09:10:35 http://wz2100.net/ Aug 23 09:10:56 Ironsight: thx Aug 23 09:11:08 np Aug 23 09:11:40 * rwhitby bbl Aug 23 09:16:42 rwhitby, git://github.com/Warzone2100/warzone2100.git Aug 23 09:16:55 if you wanna clone the source repo Aug 23 09:17:26 what is the status of hp-webos? Aug 23 09:17:33 would that warzone2100 be possible with TP? Aug 23 09:19:53 any one, what is the status of hp-webos? can we continue with developing app's Aug 23 09:20:10 warzone was a game first coded for the playstation 1 Aug 23 09:20:19 so, it doesn't require much power on the cpu side Aug 23 09:20:42 I ran this on a 1ghz single core with 1 gig of ram like a champ a few years ago Aug 23 09:20:59 it's all mouse, no keyboard Aug 23 09:21:00 Nice, Warzone :D Aug 23 09:21:09 I think I own a copy of the original version of that Aug 23 09:21:29 it runs in regular linux, and windows Aug 23 09:21:40 and on nokia n900 Aug 23 09:21:53 so, possible it is :) Aug 23 09:22:04 :) Aug 23 09:22:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbBYnfhplEI Aug 23 09:22:34 there it is on the nokia playing Aug 23 09:23:02 hi Aug 23 09:23:10 hello :) Aug 23 09:23:26 hi @hp_devteam Aug 23 09:23:31 http://pastie.org/2415890 line 26 only gives me a parse error from xbmc Aug 23 09:23:41 but when I try the same request using chrome, it works Aug 23 09:23:46 http://i.imgur.com/sgLNX.png Aug 23 09:23:57 where did my code/webos fuck up? Aug 23 09:24:20 what is status of webos as platform Aug 23 09:24:57 @ab_webos Aug 23 09:25:38 @ab_webos how is your work coming along Aug 23 09:26:03 Ironsight, can you help? Aug 23 09:26:20 I don't really mess around with javascript :( Aug 23 09:26:45 is it safe to start a project in webos right now Aug 23 09:27:07 like I said earlier, I do c++ Aug 23 09:27:25 hp_devteam: for small one, yes Aug 23 09:27:59 yeah, don't like, build a new netflix or something all webos centric Aug 23 09:28:55 I am still waiting to see if HP is just pulling the biggest publicity stunt of all time Aug 23 09:29:19 think about it, they just put tablets into everyone's hands, it would be dumb to close up shop now Aug 23 09:29:19 how many touchpads do u think hp sold till now and what will the market for a paid app Aug 23 09:29:41 some say a million, some say a little over 300 thousand Aug 23 09:29:53 @Ironsight,i do think the same Aug 23 09:30:26 oh well Aug 23 09:30:30 according to twitter, some people are seeing huge jumps in downloads on their apps in the app store Aug 23 09:30:30 time for wireshark Aug 23 09:30:47 so, profit potential is there Aug 23 09:31:19 hp_devteam: $99-touchpad-owners are interested in free apps rather than paid ones Aug 23 09:31:29 just go slow at first, don't make a 3 month project for an uber app, try your waters with something small Aug 23 09:32:24 I'm a $99 touchpad owner, and I am intested in buying apps in the 1-5 dollar impulse buy range :/ Aug 23 09:32:48 well, 1-10 if it's pretty damn good Aug 23 09:33:04 Ironsight: could you define "pretty damn good" Aug 23 09:33:05 like, say, world of goo Aug 23 09:33:34 or bouncy mouse Aug 23 09:33:51 or some quake engine game Aug 23 09:33:57 nexuiz or somethin Aug 23 09:34:50 3D fps, hmm Aug 23 09:35:03 or my favorite genre, mmorpg/japanese rpg Aug 23 09:35:17 like pocket legends is pretty godlike Aug 23 09:35:37 Ironsight: do you have another smartphone or tablet? Aug 23 09:35:44 galaxy tab 10.1 Aug 23 09:35:59 love that thing Aug 23 09:36:33 though the android market needs moderators I swear Aug 23 09:37:18 fake apps abound Aug 23 09:39:10 and I have an archos 28, it isn't bad for a pocket sized movie player, but not much else Aug 23 09:39:56 Hrm. Seems HP doesn't particularly want the UK stock being shipped out of the UK, according to one retailer I just spoke to. Aug 23 09:40:17 Hendikins: You might want to try FNAC.com Aug 23 09:40:26 it is French but does ship international AFAIK Aug 23 09:40:43 I was able to order 2 HP TouchPads from there, one 32GB for me and a 16GB for my parents Aug 23 09:41:01 Sweet Aug 23 09:41:29 that was about 16 hours ago though, no idea if it still works Aug 23 09:41:44 for the 32GByte, be sure to check the alternative prices thingy on the site, otherwise you are paying full price Aug 23 09:41:44 627 euros? Sod that! Aug 23 09:41:50 I wonder how many con sites popped up to sell em Aug 23 09:42:30 maybe why they still have them :) Aug 23 09:43:50 hmm :/ last night I could get it for 130 Aug 23 09:44:13 hope they ship yours Aug 23 09:44:18 sure hope so... Aug 23 09:44:32 Staples UK site has gone tits up. Aug 23 09:44:32 though last night they were still available a few hours after I ordered Aug 23 09:44:53 best buy's site crashed a couple times from all this Aug 23 09:45:01 I take it a whole bunch of people here are new to webos then :) Aug 23 09:45:10 I am :) Aug 23 09:45:18 been playing with the sdk for 2 days Aug 23 09:45:24 ah cool Aug 23 09:45:58 I can see a massive influx of apps in the next few weeks from people tinkering :) Aug 23 09:46:02 I've tested my js project in the browser and it works better than I was expecting, need to look into the sdk Aug 23 09:46:28 So am I :) Aug 23 09:46:31 as long as it doesn't use opengl you should be okay on emulator testing Aug 23 09:46:59 ah no, its just a dom based game engine Aug 23 09:47:20 well, canvas atm for debugging but the goal is dom Aug 23 09:47:23 I tried an sdl 3d render, and it wouldn't load in emulator :( Aug 23 09:47:32 :( Aug 23 09:47:42 but it loaded in windows on that compile, so it should work Aug 23 09:47:53 (I compiled for both) Aug 23 09:48:25 ah cool Aug 23 09:48:27 Call me stupid but I started to think if I should order pre3 Aug 23 09:48:30 no errors on either compile Aug 23 09:48:48 my android phone broke yesterday :P Aug 23 09:49:02 hrm, well, your phone could talk to your tablet Aug 23 09:49:45 I wouldn't mind a palm pre right now, but this LG does it's job Aug 23 09:50:36 Do you think HP are likley to take down the registration server any time soon? During first powerup you have to create an account with HP/Palm Aug 23 09:51:02 you can skip that I think if you turn on dev mode Aug 23 09:51:13 ah cool Aug 23 09:52:21 Id love physical qwerty keyboard, and that "grab website address from tablet" thingy Aug 23 09:52:40 they sell keyboards for em Aug 23 09:52:44 they aren't as hard to find Aug 23 09:53:22 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834988068 Aug 23 09:53:38 $57.00 Aug 23 09:53:40 any word on cheap touchpads, veers, pre3s for europe? Aug 23 09:54:02 I bet you could use any bluetooth keyboard though Aug 23 09:54:19 Ironsight: I mean pre3:s qwerty. For couchsurfing with touchpad, virtual keyboard is enough for me :) Aug 23 09:54:25 madnificent: I got my touchpad from staples at 8am in the UK Aug 23 09:55:30 yeah, multi-touch helps the virtual keyboard out alot Aug 23 09:55:54 and adjustable size virtual keyboard Aug 23 09:56:28 iaincarsberg, i didn't realise they dropped the price in real stores before the web :( Aug 23 09:56:41 madnificent: you might try fnac, but the 32GByte is already back to the normal price :( Aug 23 09:56:54 and I am still looking for a nice cheap Pre3 Aug 23 09:58:32 http://i55.tinypic.com/24zbre9.jpg Aug 23 09:58:43 any one integrated DropBox in webos using enyo framwork ? Aug 23 09:59:02 http://pastie.org/2415903 Aug 23 09:59:09 here is my code, Aug 23 09:59:13 PatrickBregman: fnac has the 16 at low price? Aug 23 09:59:13 Ironsight: what does that mean? Aug 23 09:59:20 last night, yes Aug 23 09:59:24 what does what mean? Aug 23 09:59:36 the image? Aug 23 09:59:46 PatrickBregman: you should've told me Aug 23 10:00:09 oh, was just showing the adjustable keyboard size thing in the lower right corner of the emulator Aug 23 10:00:11 PatrickBregman: their belgian site doesn't list the touchpad Aug 23 10:00:20 I was hunting for it myself and I ordered it before I literally fell asleep on the keyboard >_< Aug 23 10:00:29 you hold down the keyboard button to pull it up, nice feature Aug 23 10:01:07 directhex: oh right, I assumed the site would have been updated already :S I popped in last night, and the manager said to be there 8am today, they had 4 in stock, 3 went to employees :S Aug 23 10:01:21 figures Aug 23 10:01:24 :( Aug 23 10:01:32 always works out that way Aug 23 10:01:43 iaincarsberg, damn. i was up in time this morning, but assumed they would have the same price online & in store Aug 23 10:01:53 6 hours left before my argos reservation expires Aug 23 10:02:48 PatrickBregman: i wasn't blaming you btw. but it's not on their belgian site, so I guess they don't stock it ;_; Aug 23 10:02:54 * madnificent feels a bit left out Aug 23 10:03:02 that at the good price, or the £400 one? Aug 23 10:03:33 did you try the local HP website to order one? Aug 23 10:03:35 well, I worked my way through the French site, and I got a 32GByte for 129+14 and a 16GByte for 99+12 euro Aug 23 10:03:45 I spend a bit too much time hunting them :( Aug 23 10:04:47 PatrickBregman: oh, do they ship to other countries? Aug 23 10:05:39 looks like it. My order is now "Commande en préparation", which translates to preparing if I'm right Aug 23 10:05:55 PatrickBregman: c'est indisponsible maintenant :( no touchpad for me Aug 23 10:06:04 Eek! French :P Aug 23 10:06:07 and that sucks :( Aug 23 10:06:50 yeah, it kind of does Aug 23 10:07:11 perhaps a new batch will arrive Aug 23 10:09:09 supposedly they will sell off the white ones Aug 23 10:09:38 (1.5ghz, gps, etc) Aug 23 10:10:21 madnificent: if you heard something about cheap pre3:s in europe please notify me about it too :P Aug 23 10:10:34 apparently dabs just lowered the price Aug 23 10:10:57 looks like european stores are completely unaware of hp's announcements Aug 23 10:10:59 Hah my mother just rang me "Should I get one of those photo frame things that people are talking about on moneysavingexpert - the thing like an ipad" Aug 23 10:11:15 So I say "what would you do with it?" and she says "I don't know but it's cheap right?" Aug 23 10:11:27 :D Aug 23 10:11:57 Alanrogers, i'll buy it off her! Aug 23 10:12:10 Most UK stores were cleared out pretty quick last night but I doubt there was very much stock to start with - they only sold 100 in the UK in the first week of August so nobody will have ordered many more Aug 23 10:12:17 its pretty shame if she uses it as just photoframe Aug 23 10:12:30 word on the street is the pre3 will drop to between £49 and £79. it's in stock right now for £299, at the palm eurostore Aug 23 10:12:39 if you believe that HP will refund the difference on things... Aug 23 10:12:46 thats totally firesale.. Aug 23 10:12:47 madnificent: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/76321/hp-verlaagt-prijs-pre-3-smartphone-van-349-naar-75-euro.html << you might still be able to get a Pre 3 cheap Aug 23 10:12:48 She wasn't interested when I told her it wasn't simply a photoframe - she has no internet at home and doesn't want it Aug 23 10:13:16 Directhex - well due to the distance selling regulations, you could take a chance and simply send it back if they don't refund the difference. Aug 23 10:13:23 Alanrogers, yes. Aug 23 10:13:42 iaincarsberg: looks like dabs.com is not answering anymore :P Aug 23 10:14:01 I bought a touchpad on Dixons yesterday in the afternoon on that basis - bought it full price and now they say they will refund the difference Aug 23 10:14:27 dabs is blatted Aug 23 10:14:31 staples is still ropey Aug 23 10:14:47 play and argos are the remaining big players Aug 23 10:15:02 Yeah - Argos hasn't reduced yet and I have two reserved. Aug 23 10:15:15 Alanrogers, i have one reserved, until the end of today. gah! Aug 23 10:15:31 i also ordered from amazon when they had 0 stock but were accepting £89 orders Aug 23 10:15:34 hmm... currently waiting for FNAC to drop the Pre3 in price :P Aug 23 10:15:34 who knows, eh Aug 23 10:16:03 the above linked (Dutch) news is saying that HP is planning to do that next Aug 23 10:16:05 PatrickBregman: should be available at the fnack as well then? Aug 23 10:16:13 I guess so Aug 23 10:16:14 PatrickBregman: shout at me when you see that happening Aug 23 10:16:23 the French FNAC has it in stock, though for a high price Aug 23 10:16:33 tabasko: so, what PatrickBregman said ;) Aug 23 10:16:42 madnificent: I'm not gonna be here the whole day, got an appointment this afternoon :( Aug 23 10:16:43 if i manage to order a touchpad, i'll go collect this touchstone/keyboard reservation i have at pc world Aug 23 10:16:50 and I am supposed to work XD Aug 23 10:17:03 also, if anyone sees a touchpad coming round, let me know :) Aug 23 10:17:20 Ditto. Aug 23 10:18:28 PatrickBregman: can you pay with paypal there? Aug 23 10:18:28 hi Aug 23 10:18:32 yup Aug 23 10:18:44 that's what I did madnificent :) Aug 23 10:18:52 Directhex - if they don't reduce today, simply make sure you are on line at 5.30pm to re-reserve, that's what I did yesterday. Aug 23 10:18:55 PatrickBregman: /msg me your email address, i'll mail you if i see it on there Aug 23 10:19:12 thanks madnificent ! Aug 23 10:19:24 you're welcome Aug 23 10:19:34 PatrickBregman: don't be sad if i miss it though Aug 23 10:19:37 anyone still interested in running webos on pc? Aug 23 10:19:55 ofc not madnificent :) I mean, I already have a nice phone and am looking into WP7 anyway Aug 23 10:21:31 pipposanta: i can imagine how that ought to work. it's cool, but not that much without having a phone to combine it with... Aug 23 10:21:42 pipposanta: but it should 'just work'(TM) i think. Aug 23 10:21:53 It looks like I've got a source of Touchstones and cases, which is useful. Aug 23 10:23:16 madnificent yeah you are right it should just work... it simply made of hmtl, js and css.. Aug 23 10:23:51 madnificent I tried to extract the files of the emulator image and run the html files but they showed me only blank pages... strange... Aug 23 10:23:55 pipposanta: if you try to dev on enyo, you'll notice :) Aug 23 10:24:25 pipposanta: you just need to the few files that belong to enyo, shouldn't be that complicated. Aug 23 10:26:22 madnificent any hints on the files I need? Aug 23 10:27:39 http://pastie.org/2416102 take a look at "MovieList" Aug 23 10:27:46 why does it not get filled with dummy items? Aug 23 10:28:31 pipposanta: sorry, i don't know it anymore. but you can work your way through starting with the location of enyo.js, which you need to include to get your app running on enyo :) Aug 23 10:29:10 madnificent ok thanks! Aug 23 10:29:21 pipposanta: hope it helps you out Aug 23 10:30:31 anyone? Aug 23 10:31:40 http://yfrog.com/gyl9pvuvj looks like someone got a custom linux kernel to work on it :/ Aug 23 10:33:21 Ironsight: didn't we have custom kernels already? Aug 23 10:33:33 * Ironsight shrugs Aug 23 10:33:41 probably Aug 23 10:33:42 :) Aug 23 10:33:46 Ironsight: uberkernel... Aug 23 10:33:56 * Ironsight is new Aug 23 10:33:58 :) Aug 23 10:34:02 hehe, custom kernel opens the way to Meego and Android :D Aug 23 10:34:12 mots_: sorry, can't help you... not trained at finding bugs in enyo Aug 23 10:34:24 PatrickBregman: that makes me sad Aug 23 10:35:36 madnificent: well... Meego would be nice to give a go :P Aug 23 10:35:43 dunno if it properly supports dualcore yet Aug 23 10:36:00 tough WebOS looks pretty damn nice as well Aug 23 10:36:24 PatrickBregman: why not, isnt Meego practicaly same as Fedora distro? Aug 23 10:36:32 plus mobile goods Aug 23 10:36:54 maybe, yeah... Aug 23 10:37:00 though it deserves some love as well :P Aug 23 10:37:08 tabasko: MeeGo is based on Debian IIRC. Aug 23 10:37:44 klausa, tabasko, that's a complicated situation Aug 23 10:37:53 dunno, Maemo was Debian based, but I have no clue about Meego Aug 23 10:37:59 klausa: oh, true Aug 23 10:38:00 it's a combination of Moblin and Maemo Aug 23 10:38:10 and Moblin may very well be a Red Hat spinoff Aug 23 10:38:11 Moblin was redhat/fedora based Aug 23 10:38:22 but nokia n9 uses deb -packages etc Aug 23 10:38:30 the n9 isn't real meego Aug 23 10:38:33 it's maemo 6 Aug 23 10:38:35 but it is nokias own spinoff from meego Aug 23 10:38:48 yeah, but still :) Aug 23 10:38:54 Nokia is confusing me :P Aug 23 10:39:21 waiting for a shipping tracking number is torture Aug 23 10:39:21 soon they will combine windows phone7 and meego Aug 23 10:39:35 yay Aug 23 10:39:37 http://i.imgur.com/e20Kk.png Aug 23 10:39:42 According to wikipedia, the official launch is in Kazakhstan where it will cost 99,990 Kazakhstani Tenge. Aug 23 10:39:47 progress! Aug 23 10:39:48 :D Aug 23 10:40:23 mots_ nice :D Aug 23 10:40:33 mots_: http://angrywhitedude.com/wp-content/uploads2/2010/05/are-you-wizard.jpg Aug 23 10:40:35 It's a contractual obligation phone - I guess they will release 1000 or some other silly number and then say "contract fulfilled!" Aug 23 10:40:40 mots_: looks great :) Aug 23 10:40:49 hi everyone Aug 23 10:40:59 howdy Aug 23 10:41:04 mots_, do you have to hard code the ip in? or is it configurable? Aug 23 10:41:42 it is hardcoded so far Aug 23 10:41:47 but everything will be configurable Aug 23 10:41:57 good good :D Aug 23 10:42:03 also, expect a way better design in the release version Aug 23 10:42:04 :) Aug 23 10:42:51 I'll prolly add the option to add multiple hosts too Aug 23 10:43:21 What's that? Aug 23 10:43:32 I mean, mots_, what are you writing? Aug 23 10:43:45 a remote for xbmc Aug 23 10:43:49 Oh. Aug 23 10:43:51 Cool. Aug 23 10:43:58 Boxee and such compatible? Aug 23 10:44:13 klausa, don't know yet Aug 23 10:44:17 but shouldnt be too hard Aug 23 10:44:23 isnt Boxee just modded xbmc Aug 23 10:44:28 main priority is xbmc, though Aug 23 10:44:34 It is, but it works much better for me. Aug 23 10:44:37 plex and boxee may come later Aug 23 10:44:48 anyone from europe here? Aug 23 10:44:52 Spins fans on my MBP like crazy, but it detects my movies better. Aug 23 10:44:53 nope. nobody. Aug 23 10:44:54 eurisko: I am. Aug 23 10:45:00 tabasko, well, plex and boxee forked a while ago, so I don't know if the api is compatible Aug 23 10:45:04 eurisko, so am I Aug 23 10:45:11 klausa how did u get the european fiscal number? Aug 23 10:45:22 if u have one Aug 23 10:46:35 It's different for each country I think. Aug 23 10:46:41 * Ironsight goes to the kitchen for a mellow yellow... Aug 23 10:48:09 eurisko: For me it's NIP - Fiscal Identification Number - I *think* if I want to do buisness with someone outside my country I just prepend my country code to it. Aug 23 10:48:26 so \d{10} becomes PL\d{10} Aug 23 10:51:47 hum, tks Aug 23 10:52:00 you are form Poland? Aug 23 10:52:53 Yup. Aug 23 10:54:48 Great, comet have just phoned "Do you still want this touchpad you reserved as we mobbed with people looking for them" "yes, yes I do" Aug 23 10:55:00 :D Aug 23 10:56:00 Alanrogers, lucky fucker Aug 23 10:56:47 Comet's reserve is for two days rather than one - I reserved it yesterday morning. Aug 23 10:57:04 mots_, Im pretty sure that it will work with boxee and other xbmc variants as well. There is lot of xbmc/boxee remotes in android market for example Aug 23 10:58:26 trying to generate the proper makefiles for cmake for codesorcery to compile aquaria, having a fun time :( Aug 23 10:58:59 tabasko: all abosutely horrible. Aug 23 10:59:16 klausa: android xbmc remotes? :) Aug 23 10:59:30 tried unix makefiles... mingw... dunno what I am supposed to build Aug 23 10:59:40 official is has pretty clear interface Aug 23 10:59:45 -is Aug 23 11:01:13 Hmm, must have skipped that one. Aug 23 11:01:47 klausa: http://www.appbrain.com/app/official-xbmc-remote/org.xbmc.android.remote Aug 23 11:01:58 Ok, so I got my tp32 - for 115 pounds. Yay! But no I am having some issues getting set up. It needs a non captive portal wifi..... Aug 23 11:02:15 I remember I liked that one: Aug 23 11:02:15 https://market.android.com/details?id=net.supware.boxee&feature=related_apps Aug 23 11:02:27 (Gesture mode is awesome.) Aug 23 11:02:27 but I will absolutely donate mots_ if I can use his xbmc remote with touchpad :P Aug 23 11:02:31 But it kept crashing. Aug 23 11:02:31 Also was wondering about what the reqirements for accessing the app catalog paids apps is. Aug 23 11:02:44 tabasko, yay Aug 23 11:02:46 :D Aug 23 11:03:49 mots_: Ill try to catch you when my tp arrives :P Aug 23 11:03:51 sorry to bring this EU vat talk back to the #, but on Learn More it says "If you do not provide your VAT registration number here, all fees will be subject to Irish VAT at the standard rate. Irish developers will be subject to Irish VAT at the standard rate." Aug 23 11:04:24 tabasko, I'll be lurking here a lot, just learning to code for webOS Aug 23 11:04:35 So if my VAT is higher than the irish vat it is a good deal to not provide VAT number, although i am helping the irish gov and not mine right? Aug 23 11:04:39 i'll probably also open a thread on the xbmc forums as soon as I have something to show Aug 23 11:05:10 mots_: waiting for that :) Aug 23 11:05:24 eurisko: I think it's meant for companies. Aug 23 11:05:31 Companies don't pay VAT. Aug 23 11:05:35 eurisko: even though it works like that, it's still actually illegal in europe :) Aug 23 11:05:45 Any one here that have decoded barcodes with javascript? Aug 23 11:05:48 Well, they pay it, but then they can deduct it from taxes. Aug 23 11:06:05 deduct is probably wrong word there, sorry. Aug 23 11:08:59 i don't know nothing about economy i was just making the point :) Aug 23 11:09:31 i will pay and i can't deduct Aug 23 11:09:37 not right! Aug 23 11:11:15 did amazon ever release a kindle app for webos? Aug 23 11:11:38 yup Aug 23 11:11:51 yes Aug 23 11:11:53 ok it's official it's a nightmare, now i need to get US number Aug 23 11:11:59 but the touchpad one is US-only (!) Aug 23 11:12:05 huh. Aug 23 11:12:08 what the fuck. Aug 23 11:12:10 doh :( Aug 23 11:12:19 really? Aug 23 11:12:23 no way around that? Aug 23 11:12:26 thanks, palm! Aug 23 11:12:39 eurisko: why do you need a us number? Aug 23 11:12:57 directhex: could I use a vpn to install it, then use it with an EU account? Aug 23 11:13:07 orm W-8BEN should be completed by all Non-US developers planning to make their applications available for sale to US customers/end-users. Aug 23 11:14:04 iaincarsberg, think you need a US webos account. Aug 23 11:14:15 directhex: oh right :S Aug 23 11:14:45 is there any boost in app submissions after firesale? Aug 23 11:28:41 why does cmake have to be such a bastard for cross compiling... Aug 23 11:31:39 has anyone seen a cheap Pre 3 yet? Aug 23 11:33:13 PatrickBregman: I've initiated a script that should warn me when it's there on fnac. at least, if I'm at the computer :) Aug 23 11:33:34 fnac? is that i usa?= Aug 23 11:34:18 lol :D Aug 23 11:34:20 FNAC is France Aug 23 11:34:36 and while the site is in French it looks like they are shipping it international with DHL Express Aug 23 11:35:25 madnificent: did you set it to check for a change or a specific price? Aug 23 11:38:38 madnificent do you know that the french keyboard layout is azerty ? Aug 23 11:45:56 good morning. Aug 23 11:46:06 good afternoon Aug 23 11:46:24 is not! Aug 23 11:46:48 not good indeed, it's cloudy here Aug 23 11:46:50 :D Aug 23 11:47:06 ugh! Aug 23 11:47:11 hate clouds Aug 23 11:48:36 how nice is box.net Aug 23 11:48:39 i signed up last night Aug 23 11:51:16 wow, the touchpad transfers files at TWICE the speed of the pre Aug 23 11:51:27 it seems like anyways Aug 23 11:52:54 oh yeah - I forgot that HP are subbing a free box.net account for me - how long does that last? Aug 23 11:53:04 forever! Aug 23 11:53:33 Althought it's sort of weird that they have what is basically a business producitivity cloud service and the device ships with no document editor... Aug 23 11:53:53 Alanrogers: I got my 32gb at Comet for 115 pounds? Aug 23 11:54:09 Great! Aug 23 11:54:19 115 pounds?! that's super heavy dude Aug 23 11:54:24 mine was only 3 lbs Aug 23 11:54:32 so Aug 23 11:54:54 any enyo pros here that can help me to get a grid view running? Aug 23 11:55:17 http://i.imgur.com/5zrCc.png Aug 23 11:55:23 I'm not an enyo pro, but I do plan on doing an enyo app pretty soon Aug 23 11:55:30 after which I will be a prop Aug 23 11:55:32 pro* Aug 23 11:55:36 i have pretty much all the data I need for a "proper" grid view Aug 23 11:55:52 ever done anything with grids? Aug 23 11:55:58 they seem to be broken as fuck Aug 23 11:56:58 paste your code Aug 23 11:57:01 pastebin Aug 23 11:58:06 I'll have to write some new one first, deleted the old one and temporarily replaced it with a list Aug 23 11:58:32 time for food, ttyl Aug 23 12:10:15 if i fail to get a touchpad, does anyone want to buy the case/keyboard/touchstone i just got for half price? :p Aug 23 12:12:53 i might Aug 23 12:13:42 directhex there are lots of them now on ebay just wait a week or two Aug 23 12:13:47 the price will drop Aug 23 12:14:24 eurisko, pc world / currys / dixons are selling their stock of touchpad accessories for 50% off. £20 case, £30 keyboard, £35 touchstone Aug 23 12:14:45 directhex: maybe Aug 23 12:15:12 you have all that? Aug 23 12:15:21 eurisko, aye. Aug 23 12:23:21 hp play doesn't like me. Aug 23 12:23:32 taking forever and a day to mount my pad Aug 23 12:24:02 here's a wacky question, what's the chances of setting up a build enviroment (gcc, c++, cmake, etc) on webos? Aug 23 12:24:44 either that or I need to make another virtualbox just for linux to do my compiling since codesourcery doesn't seem to work with cmake in windows Aug 23 12:24:47 Ironsight: shouldn't be too hard Aug 23 12:25:28 Ironsight: then again, setting up a compilation server shouldn't be either Aug 23 12:25:45 hrm, I do have an extra dual core laptop sitting around Aug 23 12:34:31 * Ironsight downloads ubuntu server just to install on a virtualbox Aug 23 12:35:15 can't be arsed to mess with the other laptop, and I got 4 cores to play with on this machine... Aug 23 12:35:37 8 gigs of ram should hold out Aug 23 12:37:12 oh my god. hp play.. so frustrating! Aug 23 12:37:19 just waiting for it Aug 23 12:41:23 eurisko: yeah, that's not a problem. i missed patrick though Aug 23 12:49:29 . Aug 23 12:52:34 first time with the TP emu, what is the back gesture? Aug 23 12:52:54 (i'm on a mac) Aug 23 12:52:54 Bmyers: are you going to dev something? :) Aug 23 12:53:09 hotpd \o/ Aug 23 12:53:10 Bmyers: there are no back gesture :S Aug 23 12:53:28 the gesture area is not on a tp Aug 23 12:53:40 I may dev something for myself. my TP is in the mail Aug 23 12:53:53 cool Aug 23 12:53:57 don't care about making $$ of what i dev, obviously.. Aug 23 12:54:02 but you have to use buttons Aug 23 12:54:28 esc Aug 23 12:54:31 ok, i have a few of those on my kb Aug 23 12:54:45 page up is card up Aug 23 12:54:46 esc doesnt minimize the current app tho.. Aug 23 12:54:54 up swipe* Aug 23 12:54:59 yer Aug 23 12:55:00 no home is up swipe sry Aug 23 12:55:05 but no gesture area Aug 23 12:55:11 yeah no gesture area Aug 23 12:56:07 Swannie: Bmyers home, insert, etc Aug 23 12:56:29 i'm on a mac, dont have those Aug 23 12:57:00 hrmm Aug 23 12:57:16 Bmyers: fn + left Aug 23 12:57:34 ah, thx.. Aug 23 12:58:00 <-- n008 Aug 23 12:58:24 stupid mac keybindings ftw Aug 23 12:58:35 could be worse.. Aug 23 12:58:47 like alt + 3 for # ? Aug 23 12:58:52 i could be using winblows Aug 23 12:59:11 windo$e Aug 23 12:59:21 mac o$ x Aug 23 12:59:33 fxspec06: hi, you were right Aug 23 12:59:53 linsux Aug 23 13:00:07 ha ha Aug 23 13:00:13 * onr <3 openbsd Aug 23 13:00:30 * madnificent <3 freebsd Aug 23 13:00:32 let's fight Aug 23 13:01:07 huh? eurostore seems to be coming back to life, but the prices are full price Aug 23 13:01:30 directhex: what do you mean "coming back to life"? Aug 23 13:01:31 was it down? Aug 23 13:01:45 directhex: uk? Aug 23 13:02:03 onr, it's been ddos'd for about 45 minutes Aug 23 13:02:07 might get a touchstone for TP. good deals yet? Aug 23 13:02:09 hotdp, yes Aug 23 13:02:15 directhex: link`? Aug 23 13:02:18 Bmyers, pc world, £35 Aug 23 13:02:52 hmm, i am in USA Aug 23 13:04:49 epic fail. hp cant even make its own infrastructure stable Aug 23 13:05:09 directhex: do you link for the store? Aug 23 13:05:22 eurostore.palm.com? Aug 23 13:05:27 are they still selling the touchpads or are they out? Aug 23 13:05:50 not good advertising for hp server systems. Aug 23 13:06:59 i think the palm eurostore is subcontracted to the irish. so blame them. Aug 23 13:15:42 http://ca.ibtimes.com/articles/202401/20110823/hp-s-pre-3-price-drop-soon-but-not-coming-to-u-s.htm Aug 23 13:16:34 i wouldn't buy a pre3 even if it was $2 on vzw Aug 23 13:16:50 I would Aug 23 13:17:13 why not? Aug 23 13:17:17 dead platform is dead Aug 23 13:17:32 it seems to be decent phone, but if you really need that incoming angry birds XY, it may be not for you Aug 23 13:17:39 how long does HP play take to mount a device Aug 23 13:17:46 NOBODY has problems with it taking forever? Aug 23 13:17:47 well at least you can make calls in a nice phone Aug 23 13:17:59 and dev for it Aug 23 13:18:12 i am hoping they drop price on eurostore Aug 23 13:18:12 not a fan of the pre3's styling Aug 23 13:18:17 its design is horrible Aug 23 13:18:24 dsa;hgadfgdsfghdufgudhf Aug 23 13:18:37 http://jalopnik.com/5833452/subaru-brz-is-the-new-subieyota Aug 23 13:18:40 better than most of the industry design Aug 23 13:18:46 except for e7-00 Aug 23 13:19:00 i'm buying a droid bionic on september 8th because vzw has nothing else Aug 23 13:19:29 have fun with android.. Aug 23 13:19:52 i keep trying out new versions and it keeps annoying me Aug 23 13:19:57 lets start flamewar, thanks Shadows`work Aug 23 13:19:59 it doesnt have look&feel of a business smartphone Aug 23 13:20:09 fxspec06_, so whats up Aug 23 13:20:20 i have a android device, and all i can say is it sucks so bad Aug 23 13:20:22 seems your the only one active thats not now on my ignore list Aug 23 13:20:24 hp probably aimed at iphone hipsters Aug 23 13:20:40 dawm, im on ignore? ;) Aug 23 13:21:04 i can't sleep thinking that i am on someone else ignore list Aug 23 13:21:05 thats probably the fastest I've ever been put on ignore Aug 23 13:21:30 doot Aug 23 13:21:32 whatup guys Aug 23 13:21:59 oh, the trolls are in? Aug 23 13:22:21 onr, nowadays its pretty hard to be hipster using iphone Aug 23 13:22:24 possibly Aug 23 13:22:25 matbee, yes Aug 23 13:22:40 I've only just started hanging out here so I dont know ho all the trolls are Aug 23 13:22:45 hmm Aug 23 13:22:55 isnt hipster person who is so special using and doing what others dont do Aug 23 13:23:05 http://i.imgur.com/JB4CM.png <- Oh dear (via Whirlpool) Aug 23 13:23:09 webos is now hipster Aug 23 13:23:19 matbee: yeah :P Aug 23 13:23:27 ios has never been hipster Aug 23 13:23:29 sorry :( Aug 23 13:23:34 has the firesale happened in France yet? Aug 23 13:23:42 in fact, there is thin cap between being nerdy and being hipster Aug 23 13:24:13 wearing too tiny of pants = hipster? Aug 23 13:24:17 that the defining difference? Aug 23 13:24:26 hats Aug 23 13:24:32 thats the defining point Aug 23 13:25:23 tabasko if you replace nerdy with douchebag Aug 23 13:25:23 lol Aug 23 13:27:12 did I miss any discounts on the Pre 3 yet? Aug 23 13:27:55 http://i.imgur.com/8GW0p.jpg Aug 23 13:27:56 Shadows`work: maybe those three are all pretty same or close each other Aug 23 13:28:04 enough coding for today :) Aug 23 13:28:09 nerdy hipster douchebag Aug 23 13:29:30 mots_: looks pretty finger friendly alrady :) Aug 23 13:30:09 most iphone owners are lol Aug 23 13:30:15 and you just don't see pre owners Aug 23 13:30:16 looks nice mots_ :) Aug 23 13:30:17 they don'te xist Aug 23 13:30:24 PatrickBregman: sorry, didn't see your comment earlier on Aug 23 13:30:27 :) thanks for the motivation Aug 23 13:31:35 godddd damnit Aug 23 13:31:42 to get that free WP7 from ms Aug 23 13:31:45 PatrickBregman: i don't know what the page will look like and it's not always 100% the same, therefore i'm checking for a small region which contains the current price and some of its surroundings. I hope the stuff around it will be different for the price drop. Aug 23 13:31:47 u have to have the creators club license Aug 23 13:31:52 which is 499 Aug 23 13:31:55 $99** Aug 23 13:32:07 ? Aug 23 13:32:15 so you have to pay that to be a win developer? Aug 23 13:32:21 yeah Aug 23 13:32:31 nothx Aug 23 13:32:34 wait what? we have to pay to become WP7 devs? Aug 23 13:32:50 you can develop for wp7 without a license, but, you need it to publish Aug 23 13:33:00 hmmm Aug 23 13:33:36 loll Aug 23 13:33:39 free phone Aug 23 13:33:44 "free" Aug 23 13:33:59 yeah. Aug 23 13:34:25 you need to pay for an app store account Aug 23 13:34:38 though I believe it was also possible to publish outside of the app store Aug 23 13:34:50 not entirely tru Aug 23 13:34:51 e Aug 23 13:34:59 but yeah, it pretty much ruins all free apps, 'cuz those will be filled with ads :( Aug 23 13:35:02 you can ask for a app hub token if you cannot afford it Aug 23 13:35:29 did you get the email about it? if so search for 'hardship' Aug 23 13:38:43 woohoo Aug 23 13:38:56 i just went to town checking off playlists to sync, and the 32gb will fit them all! Aug 23 13:38:57 ohh i see Aug 23 13:39:04 i want a touchpad. Aug 23 13:39:08 are they still all gone? Aug 23 13:39:30 for the lower price, yeah, guess so Aug 23 13:39:34 i haven't seen anything on twitter Aug 23 13:39:47 guess so? Aug 23 13:40:09 four years ago 32gb ipods were $299 Aug 23 13:40:12 30gb* Aug 23 13:40:17 is there any news IF the eurostore will drop prices? Aug 23 13:40:21 no wifi, no internet.. Aug 23 13:40:25 i won my 30gb video from freeipods.com Aug 23 13:40:33 still works but it needs a new battery Aug 23 13:40:47 the touchpad does so much more than the ipod Aug 23 13:40:49 ive replaced it with a 160gb classic Aug 23 13:41:16 those freeipod places are legit? haha Aug 23 13:41:28 i had one but unfortunately i hung out with someone who took my 120gb from me. =| Aug 23 13:41:34 matbee, they used to be Aug 23 13:41:42 ah Aug 23 13:41:48 honestly tho, i had some friends sign up for easy to cancel trials Aug 23 13:41:52 my GF has my 8gb ipod touch Aug 23 13:41:55 i felt dirty Aug 23 13:42:01 then i set the 404 on all my sites to redirect to the referral link :P Aug 23 13:42:04 she likes it waaaay more than me Aug 23 13:42:28 hahaha Aug 23 13:42:34 i need to get one for my gf, she doesnt have one or know the joys of having music on demand Aug 23 13:42:40 dawm, it's worth it Aug 23 13:42:46 also get her wireless bt headphones Aug 23 13:42:49 i swear she lived in a cave before i met her Aug 23 13:43:03 my gf now has an ipod touch and a bb pearl Aug 23 13:43:07 lol Aug 23 13:43:15 the pearl is such crap Aug 23 13:43:20 bb is crap Aug 23 13:43:32 i don't understand what all the bb fuss is about Aug 23 13:43:38 yes it's secure Aug 23 13:43:41 that's it tho Aug 23 13:44:04 its like the nextel fad Aug 23 13:44:08 it just hasnt died off yet Aug 23 13:44:15 lol. bleep Aug 23 13:44:30 we had nextel for work phones and that was nice Aug 23 13:44:34 145 pre3's still in stock Aug 23 13:44:38 then started seeing families with em Aug 23 13:44:44 then it was just stupid Aug 23 13:44:44 nextel is great for oncampus stuff Aug 23 13:44:54 but why do you need it for families.. Aug 23 13:44:58 directhex for how much? Aug 23 13:45:59 eurisko, full price - but the implication on the precentral forums is there'll be a refund of the difference Aug 23 13:49:02 Ol? ramitos Aug 23 13:49:26 http://www.fnac.com/HP-Pre3/a3690218/w-4 changed, but not cheap yet Aug 23 13:50:29 either that, or it warned me not to fetch the page so many times... regardless, it hasn't lowered yet but it did warn me :( Aug 23 13:50:37 eurisko ? Aug 23 13:52:55 s? disse ol? por estares em pt :) Aug 23 13:53:38 http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2011/08/22/thinking-the-unthinkable-is-oracle-considering-buying-hp/ Aug 23 13:53:39 lol Aug 23 13:53:47 lololol Aug 23 13:54:21 eurisko :| eu tuga por aqui? xD Aug 23 13:54:30 eurisko um tuga* Aug 23 13:56:20 yup Aug 23 13:56:53 eurisko só conheço outro português a usar webOS. Já somos 3 :D temos de fazer um meetup ^^ Aug 23 13:57:01 I submitted an update to a patch on Saturday, but still in the queue - anyone from the internals team available to review and push thru? Aug 23 13:57:59 Maybe HP App Catalog review is faster than webos-internals review. :) Aug 23 13:58:25 eu n?o uso webos, porque n?o tenho dispositivo, s? estou a aprender desde junho, para o enyo Aug 23 13:59:32 eurisko eu comprei ontem um TP. Vai ser o meu primeiro. Mas ja ando a sonhar com o webOS desde praí 2009. btw, enyo é awesome :) Aug 23 14:01:59 ramitos, onde ? que compraste? Aug 23 14:02:04 mazon uk Aug 23 14:02:12 amazon uk Aug 23 14:02:12 por quanto? Aug 23 14:02:15 89 libras Aug 23 14:02:25 god damnit Aug 23 14:02:29 enngggliiisshhh :P Aug 23 14:02:35 jajaja Aug 23 14:02:46 s?!!! Aug 23 14:02:47 xii Aug 23 14:02:51 !!! Aug 23 14:02:56 sorry Aug 23 14:03:05 xD Aug 23 14:03:16 only 89, i just searched and searched and didn't find nothing near that price Aug 23 14:03:52 ontem cheguei a casa eram quase 1h da manha Aug 23 14:04:05 a primeira coisa q fiz foi fazer refresh na pagina da amazon uk Aug 23 14:04:13 89 libras, comprei log Aug 23 14:04:24 qd acabei a compra, já não estava a 89 libras Aug 23 14:05:05 heh Aug 23 14:05:14 making an easy $20 today Aug 23 14:05:19 Warum redest du nicht-englischen Aug 23 14:05:21 resetting an ipad .. Aug 23 14:07:42 luck you!!! :D Aug 23 14:10:03 yep noobs Aug 23 14:13:46 woo update pushed through Aug 23 14:13:59 wildn now available on pixi and veer Aug 23 14:17:49 http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-HP-TouchPad-Battery/6082/1 Aug 23 14:17:54 since HP wont replace it for you Aug 23 14:18:01 might be a good idea to bookmark that Aug 23 14:18:07 for when someone has a 3rd party battery Aug 23 14:18:13 good idea Aug 23 14:18:20 30 steps.. Aug 23 14:18:26 lots of connectors n crap to remove Aug 23 14:19:11 not many tools Aug 23 14:19:15 phew Aug 23 14:19:21 those i can manage Aug 23 14:19:24 Anyone using Kalemsoft Media Player to stream stuff to their touchpad? Aug 23 14:19:36 nice Aug 23 14:19:40 theres an ifixit app Aug 23 14:19:44 did not know that Aug 23 14:19:51 http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011/08/20/ifixit-announces-the-worlds-cheapest-repair-manual-the-hp-touchpad/ Aug 23 14:20:21 I just gave it a try and while the video is streaming perfectly.. I don't get sound - wondering if this is a limitation of the trial version or an actual problem Aug 23 14:20:58 matbee: perhaps hurd really likes webos :P Aug 23 14:21:28 that would alse be a checkmate from oracle to Léo Apotheker Aug 23 14:22:08 also: hp will not sell webos, they still seem to want it for their printers and stuff Aug 23 14:25:23 batteries down the road concern me.. Aug 23 14:26:36 omg.. total fail - helps if I don't have mute audio! kalemsoft is working perfectly! Aug 23 14:27:25 hah Aug 23 14:27:29 soundcloud is down Aug 23 14:29:07 http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/57249/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter Aug 23 14:29:31 is there a way to play mkv and xvid files on the touchpad Aug 23 14:29:45 yeh Aug 23 14:29:47 get mplayer Aug 23 14:30:01 that's one of the cool things, it's relatively open Aug 23 14:30:06 http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-webos/ Aug 23 14:30:18 i dont know if its TP res compat tho Aug 23 14:30:19 mplayer? Aug 23 14:30:29 MPlayer is a movie player which runs on many systems. It plays most MPEG/VOB, FLV, AVI, Ogg/OGM, VIVO, ASF/WMA/WMV, QT/MOV/MP4, RealMedia, Matroska, NUT, NuppelVideo, FLI, YUV4MPEG, FILM, RoQ, PVA files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs. You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, DivX 3/4/5, WMV and even H.264 movies. Aug 23 14:30:34 dawm rubber WEIRD.. Aug 23 14:30:39 yes Aug 23 14:30:46 dawm: it doesn't have a locked resolution, iirc Aug 23 14:31:07 mplayer is great Aug 23 14:31:11 mplayer for touchad? Aug 23 14:31:35 well, mplayer in general, I have used it on wii, xbox and linux Aug 23 14:32:02 I like vlc better though these days Aug 23 14:32:05 but mplayer is much lighter Aug 23 14:32:08 twbbas: finally played with nomnonnom Aug 23 14:32:14 it's a bit slower than I wanted Aug 23 14:32:23 time to do some optimizing Aug 23 14:32:33 i asked if there is a way to play mkv and xvid on touchpad Aug 23 14:32:58 i fell asleep after about 1/2 hour of it so I dont know how it ended Aug 23 14:35:18 is there a profile mgr of some sort that manages multiple ppl using a TP? Aug 23 14:37:26 Deihmos: and you were answered mplayer? so did you try it? Aug 23 14:37:40 some people think android == super awesome freedom of the ultra-democratic open world Aug 23 14:38:14 LOL Aug 23 14:38:17 onr, the same people who shout LALALALALALALALA when you mention android 3.0 is proprietary? Aug 23 14:38:19 thats hilarious Aug 23 14:38:52 webos phones were more 'open' when it came to jailbreaking and the like Aug 23 14:39:04 there is no way to jailbreak a webos phone... Aug 23 14:39:06 they were never in jail Aug 23 14:39:08 were more? Aug 23 14:39:10 i know Aug 23 14:39:12 they never were Aug 23 14:39:13 you just put them in dev mode Aug 23 14:39:47 more interested in seeing what happens to that code when they merge the 2.x and 3.x branches into 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" Aug 23 14:39:49 helf, just a tip.. most of us have been here since the channel started Aug 23 14:39:54 you're not telling us anything new Aug 23 14:40:00 no, really? Aug 23 14:40:10 i wanst trying to Aug 23 14:40:15 just stating hte obvious Aug 23 14:40:15 go hand out in #touchdroid if you want to keep comparing stuff Aug 23 14:40:19 hang Aug 23 14:40:23 ... Aug 23 14:40:29 anyone have a link to touchpads for sale in canada? Aug 23 14:40:36 matbee: funny guy. Aug 23 14:40:38 I'm not the one that started it. Aug 23 14:40:41 :'( Aug 23 14:40:44 matbee, friday night heh Aug 23 14:40:53 http://twitter.com/#!/dawm/status/106010872840847360 Aug 23 14:40:55 :) Aug 23 14:41:15 i think this channel needs a bot running on a touchpad Aug 23 14:42:10 ChannelBot: NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TOUCHPADS IN STOCK Aug 23 14:42:18 lol Aug 23 14:42:21 i think this channel needs a password only developers would know Aug 23 14:42:26 give me yours and ill make it happen Aug 23 14:42:27 rather a key Aug 23 14:42:40 i think we need a dawm-only channel Aug 23 14:42:43 or you could start #webos-dev Aug 23 14:42:53 the password is WEG0TSCR3W3D Aug 23 14:42:53 developers noobs were ok.. but this other ones.. soo sick Aug 23 14:43:02 wth.. Aug 23 14:43:03 these Aug 23 14:43:16 keep typing the wrong words today.. Aug 23 14:43:17 Tibfib: ping Aug 23 14:43:41 dawm: doesn't work on the touchpad, I've tried Aug 23 14:43:44 dawm: after an annoucement like the one that happened, it's really sort of expected, don't you think? it will settle Aug 23 14:44:05 esser, but its a developer channel Aug 23 14:44:16 its not like on the hp main site it says come to #webos on freenode to hang Aug 23 14:44:44 other than teh channel topic, it doesn't specifically say its for developers Aug 23 14:44:48 "#webos" is pretty generic Aug 23 14:44:53 dawm: i understand your point, but i have to agree with helf there. most projects on freenode have a usage and a dev channel Aug 23 14:44:57 and...yeah what he just said Aug 23 14:45:04 twbbas: pong Aug 23 14:45:11 haiku (i idle there) has #haiku and #haiku-dev Aug 23 14:45:13 just makes more sense Aug 23 14:45:17 Tibfib: You said your NNN update got approved? When did you submit it? Aug 23 14:45:26 umm sunday night Aug 23 14:45:33 late or early? Aug 23 14:45:45 late Aug 23 14:45:49 my meta-updates from last night Aug 23 14:45:51 are live Aug 23 14:45:52 I submitted an update at around 3am Sunday night Aug 23 14:46:00 just curious when it'll be approved Aug 23 14:46:17 oh yeah mine was like 9ish I think Aug 23 14:46:21 ok Aug 23 14:46:25 hopefully mine gets through today Aug 23 14:46:37 Lazar_Dobrescu, i see no mplayer for touchpad Aug 23 14:46:38 Tibfib: You doing the WP7 event in 15 mins? Aug 23 14:46:47 Deihmos: you were even given a link! Aug 23 14:46:52 twbbas: I think so Aug 23 14:46:58 did not see it Aug 23 14:46:59 (10:26:50 AM) dawm: http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-webos/ Aug 23 14:47:03 I'm downloading VS SP1 and the SDK right now Aug 23 14:47:10 I have to leave in the middle of it today and tomorrow Aug 23 14:47:12 :\ Aug 23 14:50:14 Lazar_Dobrescu: didn't work on my touchpad Aug 23 14:50:18 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#c39896 Aug 23 14:50:30 glad they posted those Aug 23 14:50:36 i was about to dig em out of the old sdks Aug 23 14:50:46 Radix-wrk: what didnt work? what did it do Aug 23 14:51:21 the mplayer - I installed it and it didn't even get listed in the app list Aug 23 14:51:40 strange.. what did you install it with? Aug 23 14:51:46 preware Aug 23 14:51:50 hey, is there a way to view the browser's javascript console? Aug 23 14:51:57 weird... Aug 23 14:52:08 iaincarsberg, like error messages? Aug 23 14:52:16 there is no console Aug 23 14:52:19 dawm: yeah, and console.logs Aug 23 14:52:22 doh ok Aug 23 14:52:22 but you can turn on logging Aug 23 14:52:26 maybe it's something newbie - does it work on your touchpad Lazar_Dobrescu? Aug 23 14:52:37 if you have the SDK installed and the device hooked up Aug 23 14:52:38 iaincarsberg: try firebug portable Aug 23 14:52:41 didnt try it frankly :) Aug 23 14:52:42 palm-log Aug 23 14:52:45 is the command Aug 23 14:52:45 and dont have it with me Aug 23 14:52:55 dawm: ah thanks Aug 23 14:52:56 it did work on my pre but maybe it's different Aug 23 14:53:30 just type palm-log for the cmd options Aug 23 14:53:40 no you're right it seems it doesn't work on the touchpad Aug 23 14:53:51 you may have to change the device log level but after that its just palm-log -f the.app.id Aug 23 14:54:00 onr: firebug portable isn't an option as I was trying to help debug a 3rd party site so I can use it with my touchpad Aug 23 14:54:39 dawm: ah cool thanks, will give it a try this evening Aug 23 14:54:44 can u add palm catalog with preware & touchpad? Aug 23 14:54:44 so I guess you're stuck with buying kalemsoft if you want to watch other formats... either that or convert em Aug 23 14:54:53 i believe the app id would be com.palm.app.browser Aug 23 14:54:59 Bmyers, no Aug 23 14:55:04 they removed the feeds remember Aug 23 14:55:09 ah Aug 23 14:55:10 or I guess isntall ubuntu and a player in there... Aug 23 14:55:11 bummer Aug 23 14:55:29 thought Rod might have had something up his sleeve perhaps. Aug 23 14:55:42 i think they cached the last feed data Aug 23 14:55:46 but its no longer live or current Aug 23 14:56:11 how do you install mplayer? tried webos quickinstall and got an error Aug 23 14:56:26 Deihmos: I think you should forget it as there are reports that it doesn't work on the touchpad Aug 23 14:56:34 lol Aug 23 14:56:53 so if you absolutely need other formats you can either try buying an app for it or installing ubuntu and a player int here Aug 23 14:56:59 if such exists Aug 23 14:57:52 I might try it on my touchpad later... after I first make sure I have a working package that owrks on my phone :) Aug 23 14:58:03 otherwise try converting the videos before listening to them :p Aug 23 14:58:09 i see a player in the market for 7 bucks. kind of pricey with no trial Aug 23 14:58:21 that kalemsoft? Aug 23 14:58:28 yea Aug 23 14:58:52 yeah it had tons of featuers buy true is a bit pricey... I thought it did have some kind of trial though Aug 23 14:59:19 added my tweet to the webOSOS pile :) https://twitter.com/#!/kevets/status/106016037329321984 Aug 23 14:59:48 ughh oil Aug 23 14:59:51 there is a trial or maybe an old version in preware Deihmos Aug 23 15:00:30 * oil pushes tibfib to the ground Aug 23 15:00:50 i saw that. seems buggy but i will see if it plays the files Aug 23 15:00:51 dangit Aug 23 15:00:54 didn't make the list: https://twitter.com/#!/dkdsgn/status/106013216655683584 Aug 23 15:01:02 NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU Aug 23 15:01:17 lol Aug 23 15:01:27 why did oil make it? Aug 23 15:01:32 it's not like he does anything Aug 23 15:01:34 random chance? Aug 23 15:01:39 oil: so do we pronounce that webawsaws ? Aug 23 15:01:50 awesome pictures in my twitter feed? xD Aug 23 15:01:56 haha Aug 23 15:02:19 rwhitby: we need a recording of you saying it, then we can determine which vowels to use Aug 23 15:02:23 any suggestions for TP news readers? Aug 23 15:02:28 NomNomNom Aug 23 15:02:35 dont buy nomnomnom Aug 23 15:02:36 its stupid Aug 23 15:02:43 don't listen to dawm, he's stupid Aug 23 15:02:45 doesnt even have a hidden snake game Aug 23 15:02:55 NO HIDDEN SNAKEGAME? Aug 23 15:03:05 hmmm Aug 23 15:03:07 Derek looks pretty much exactly how i'd pictured after hearing the precentral podcast Aug 23 15:03:11 and you wonder why you didnt make the list Aug 23 15:03:19 Tibfib, :) Aug 23 15:03:23 I could increase the price by 5 dollars with a hidden snake game Aug 23 15:03:35 anyone tested the linux sdk install instructions for ubuntu lately? Aug 23 15:03:43 Tibfib: Have you found the easter egg in Differences? Aug 23 15:03:45 oh Aug 23 15:03:47 nomnomnom is google reader? how about a plain but nice looking rss feed reader? Aug 23 15:03:48 they are a little out of date :( Aug 23 15:03:49 is there a good snake game? Aug 23 15:03:50 think so Ironsight.. maybe a month ago Aug 23 15:03:54 are they? Aug 23 15:03:57 on my phone I love newsroom Aug 23 15:03:59 that would be kind of good with gestures. works well with tetris Aug 23 15:04:01 yeah, like lucid Aug 23 15:04:06 RagingMind: if you like newsroom, you will like nomnomnom Aug 23 15:04:09 they are on natty now Aug 23 15:04:17 i have newsroom.. but never use it Aug 23 15:04:17 I think the instructions say natty now too Aug 23 15:04:20 * oil gets his ass to mars, brb Aug 23 15:04:21 I'm not into the google reader thing though Aug 23 15:04:22 repo isn't pulling virtualbox using their method Aug 23 15:04:26 you're talking about widk right? Aug 23 15:04:34 RagingMind: it's no different than normal rss feeds Aug 23 15:04:41 just syncs across devices Aug 23 15:04:48 webos sdk/pdk Aug 23 15:05:00 not this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK ? Aug 23 15:05:04 from https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html Aug 23 15:05:05 Tibfib, does it involve me putting in any google account info? Aug 23 15:05:07 ah ok Aug 23 15:05:13 RagingMind, yes you will have to do that Aug 23 15:05:19 then I'm not interested :P Aug 23 15:05:28 lame. Aug 23 15:05:31 I dont think that's the PDK though Ironsight Aug 23 15:05:41 oh Aug 23 15:05:48 there is no PDK on linux officially Aug 23 15:05:52 only the webos-internals one Aug 23 15:05:58 oh Aug 23 15:06:01 I DIDN'T MAKE THIS B LIST EITHER: https://twitter.com/#!/Pre2Ries/status/106016751757688833 Aug 23 15:06:27 I was trying to do linux since cmake for windows doesn't want to work for me with codesourcery Aug 23 15:06:45 if anyone receives too many touchpads, let me know. i couldn't order one in belgium and i would like to use it for development (though likely not enyo development anymore) Aug 23 15:07:09 well, that's a lie, i will likely start to dev enyo on it, because i'll want to use tasks@hand on it, but the general idea still stands. Aug 23 15:07:13 Lazar_Dobrescu, at least the 3.0.0 SDK had PDK files included, though some of the scripts pointed to things that were left out or still used MacOS specific paths Aug 23 15:07:29 I haven't checked if any of that was fixed with 3.0.2 Aug 23 15:07:37 *3.0.0 linux SDK Aug 23 15:08:04 3.0.2 windows had a pdk setup that worked to a point Aug 23 15:08:07 I can confirm I was able to compile things with the 3.0.2 sdk Aug 23 15:08:10 (on linux) Aug 23 15:08:14 I can compile 1 .cpp Aug 23 15:08:35 but get into the complex stuff (cmake) and it buggers out Aug 23 15:08:44 if someone in the US wants to help support our troops over seas... I know at least one person that had trouble ordering a TP cause he's in Korea, but has been a webos fan since the sprint pre came out Aug 23 15:09:17 operation slickdeals? Aug 23 15:09:19 dwc-, compile like pdk stuff with the files included with the sdk? Aug 23 15:09:19 RagingMind, who's selling em anymore? Aug 23 15:09:34 last place I bought from sold out Aug 23 15:09:34 is he finding someone that won't ship to an apo/fpo? Aug 23 15:09:41 Ironsight, HP is going to be restocking some of the retailers... but not sure when/who Aug 23 15:09:54 or is it a lack of time to find Aug 23 15:09:56 hrm Aug 23 15:10:27 * dwc- bbl Aug 23 15:10:34 he had an order with B&N to his home town, but they canceled it on him cause they were out of stock (after giving him a tracking number) and he hasn't been able to place an order since then Aug 23 15:10:46 horrid Aug 23 15:10:47 :( Aug 23 15:11:06 there's a site in france... lemme check my scrollback Aug 23 15:11:10 nevermind Aug 23 15:11:15 they changed their prices Aug 23 15:11:57 My source had 7000 units and sold out in 4 hours Aug 23 15:12:09 (he was selling 3 a second at one point Aug 23 15:12:51 http://www.ebay.com/itm/310332864546?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2468wt_1396 Aug 23 15:13:03 i have a few leads on getting one Aug 23 15:13:07 i doubt i'll get >1 though Aug 23 15:13:53 damn, he made $121,182 in 4 hours Aug 23 15:13:57 jeez Aug 23 15:14:04 would have been a pretty nice scam to pull Aug 23 15:14:11 * kevets just realized how flooded eBay must be with Touchpads right now Aug 23 15:14:22 kevets, all starting at $200 Aug 23 15:14:38 they are not starting at 200 Aug 23 15:14:43 people are bidding them up to there. Aug 23 15:14:46 120 Aug 23 15:14:48 did you see the michael arrington article talking about the $200 price point and touchpad? Aug 23 15:15:07 it was right on the mark i thought Aug 23 15:15:50 HP is pratically paying you to get a touchpad Aug 23 15:15:51 kevets, link? Aug 23 15:16:04 Deihmos, it cost them over $300 to make each one Aug 23 15:16:07 http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/23/dear-hp-please-keep-making-those-touchpads/ Aug 23 15:16:22 that's why i say they are paying you to take it Aug 23 15:16:27 so we and HP are paying the manufacturer to flood the market with them Aug 23 15:16:31 he was talking about how they needed to change some of their bill of materials to get it low, and sell at near cost to get userbase up to get developers motivated for the platform Aug 23 15:16:39 pretty much what we're seeing, but not quite as extreme Aug 23 15:16:52 they should give away touchpads when u buy HP stock. maybe it would help Aug 23 15:17:01 Bmyers: LoL Aug 23 15:17:07 i wonder how many they made Aug 23 15:17:11 i doubt it was that many Aug 23 15:17:40 I would how many sold at retail price Aug 23 15:18:10 yeah i wonder when we'll see some numbers on the aftermath Aug 23 15:18:43 hopefully in a month or two we will have some idea of how many are out there... do you think a million or two tablets? Aug 23 15:19:48 depends how many keep webos on the things after android get's hacked in Aug 23 15:19:55 the $200 pricepoint has been well known to phone manufacturers for a long time, though Aug 23 15:20:05 you really think android will be better than webos on the touchpad? Aug 23 15:20:09 no Aug 23 15:20:19 but android is a household name Aug 23 15:20:36 webos wasn't getting picked up for a reason Aug 23 15:20:50 palm was a household name Aug 23 15:20:55 used to be Aug 23 15:20:56 Ironsight, because HP didn't actually try Aug 23 15:20:59 yeah, because people had already been convinced Verizon's fake iPhone was better Aug 23 15:21:01 till it got put through the ringer Aug 23 15:21:19 RagingMind: it sounds like HP rushed it Aug 23 15:21:37 hey, don't get me wrong, there used to be a day when everyone had a palm pilot Aug 23 15:21:58 its interesting hearing all these reports of it getting pushed out the door and basically forking webOS 3 to focus only on touchpad hardware Aug 23 15:22:00 I was actually really looking forward to the 7" tablet... the TP is actually a big big for my taste Aug 23 15:22:02 leaving the pre3 in the dust Aug 23 15:22:23 The TouchPad Go could have been #1 in 7" tablets Aug 23 15:22:31 #1+ even Aug 23 15:22:33 RagingMind: i also dearly wish for an excellent 7" tablet Aug 23 15:22:49 7" is a nice size on the road Aug 23 15:23:00 10.1ish is good for the couch Aug 23 15:23:03 nook color is not all that great... laggy and browser is just okay Aug 23 15:23:04 http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/23/im-very-serious/ Aug 23 15:23:07 thats what she said.. Aug 23 15:23:19 a 7" HP would have been nice Aug 23 15:23:35 twbbas: nice Aug 23 15:23:41 my touchpad is transferring music slower than the pilgrims found california Aug 23 15:23:50 "The Internet is being overran by Android nerds. Don’t listen to them." Aug 23 15:23:59 haha Aug 23 15:23:59 "Yep, that properly describes the TouchPad: a beautiful dead-end." Aug 23 15:24:08 i think the problem with the touchpad is the software not the hardware Aug 23 15:24:16 I think the opposite Aug 23 15:24:21 i think the problem with the touchpad is the users Aug 23 15:24:23 lol, you couldn't be more off Aug 23 15:24:27 webos is just slow and laggy Aug 23 15:24:27 apps + hardware Aug 23 15:24:29 It was NEW, I mean, the people were waiting for the apps to pick up Aug 23 15:24:36 just like people are for the 3ds right now Aug 23 15:24:37 Deihmos, why are you here, then? Aug 23 15:24:50 no one is buying that 3ds thing because it has a small handful of games Aug 23 15:24:52 i got a touchpad Aug 23 15:24:53 If webOS had 400k apps and thin/light hardware like the iPad 2... it would have had a better chance Aug 23 15:25:18 you guys do know there are less Honeycomb apps, right? Aug 23 15:25:18 fxspec06: a nice app for wireless syncing would be interesting to see... i get pretty slow USB transfer rate to my pre2 as well. some wifi would probably be faster Aug 23 15:25:30 price is king. it wasnt cheap enough.. Aug 23 15:25:41 IGNTNUNLMTD: Not trying to bash you but i've heard most phone Android apps scale up nice on honeycomb so developers aren't in a rush to make a tablet app Aug 23 15:25:53 when it was cheap. it sold. dead as it was.. (is) Aug 23 15:25:55 for anyone interested in porting to mango i started a #wpdev channel Aug 23 15:25:57 ah Aug 23 15:25:57 there's a decent amount of good apps on honeycomb Aug 23 15:26:00 like a nice sftp ipk Aug 23 15:26:07 point taken, twbbas Aug 23 15:26:12 nohorse: no one's in there? Aug 23 15:26:19 nvm Aug 23 15:26:19 when i tried the tab all android apps looked native on it Aug 23 15:26:35 I have honeycomb, and yes, there's a dew apps that don't act accordingly Aug 23 15:26:41 dew/few Aug 23 15:26:55 but there's tons of apps that do Aug 23 15:26:59 android schmamdroid, this is still interesting http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/jqyp3/one_of_the_guys_at_work_went_to_best_buy_saturday/ Aug 23 15:27:12 just like running those older pre apps in the emulator Aug 23 15:27:13 same issues Aug 23 15:27:14 accidentally selling an engineering prototype? ouch Aug 23 15:27:18 sales fale Aug 23 15:27:39 lol Aug 23 15:29:55 * hotdp don't understand why poeple thinks android is better. Can someone give some reasons? Aug 23 15:30:00 i'm beginning to mess around w/ enyo Aug 23 15:30:05 hotdp, moar apps Aug 23 15:30:27 my touchpad is going to take til 2 or 3 to finish syncing music Aug 23 15:30:29 >.> Aug 23 15:30:34 and that's just for now Aug 23 15:30:35 lol Aug 23 15:30:54 directhex: but many a crappy? Aug 23 15:30:55 android market ? Aug 23 15:30:56 how are you syncing? Aug 23 15:30:56 slow? Aug 23 15:30:58 and ugly? Aug 23 15:31:02 via usb Aug 23 15:31:04 & hp play Aug 23 15:31:39 764 of 2882 items -- About 3:36 remaining Aug 23 15:31:41 would prolly be much faster though wifi Aug 23 15:31:46 i've been using an evo for a year, slow is never one of the words I use to describe it Aug 23 15:31:48 you can't do that Aug 23 15:31:58 k Aug 23 15:31:59 my music collection is larger than the storage in my TP, and I don't wanna sift through to pick out things Aug 23 15:31:59 i'm syncing w/ hp play Aug 23 15:32:02 yeah ok Aug 23 15:32:14 what's your problem Aug 23 15:32:27 I use Salling Media Sync on Mac Aug 23 15:32:31 it's fast as hell Aug 23 15:32:32 what crawled up your ass today Aug 23 15:32:36 me? Aug 23 15:32:43 no Aug 23 15:32:54 ah Aug 23 15:33:10 me then? Aug 23 15:37:36 Document Editing this week! Should appease a lot of the newbies Aug 23 15:38:19 webos finally gets doc editing Aug 23 15:38:33 oh, we had it, just not conveniently Aug 23 15:38:44 if you're going to keep trolling, you just might as well leave Aug 23 15:38:57 doc editing by way of? Aug 23 15:39:05 QuickOffice? Aug 23 15:39:07 that is just funny Aug 23 15:39:19 ah Aug 23 15:39:33 oilsworkn: ? Aug 23 15:40:24 * kevets is setting up openssh on the pre2 to try wireless transfer Aug 23 15:42:10 Is there anyway to stream your music collection from a NAS to the tp? Aug 23 15:42:53 IGNTNUNLMTD: that doc editing is finally coming Aug 23 15:43:04 hotdp, run an apache server? Aug 23 15:43:09 yeah... I guess they feel pressured by the new userbase Aug 23 15:43:13 accessories are 30% off so far: http://www.shopping.hp.com/accessories-store/touchpad?jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/ipg/lateralnav_touchpad_accessories_home&aoid=35252 Aug 23 15:43:44 well, i'll believe it when I see it in the catalog Aug 23 15:43:52 agreed Aug 23 15:43:52 basically apache will list the files/folders, and the browser automatically streams mp3's anyway Aug 23 15:43:56 they've been saying document editing has been on its way forever lol Aug 23 15:44:06 * twbbas wants netflix more than doc editing Aug 23 15:44:19 no netflix? Aug 23 15:44:20 o.O Aug 23 15:44:33 Nope Aug 23 15:44:34 oh man, that sucks Aug 23 15:44:37 IGNTNUNLMTD: relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM Aug 23 15:44:38 Yep Aug 23 15:44:58 it would be the first damn device without netflix Aug 23 15:45:20 the kindle has netflix? Aug 23 15:45:26 oh Aug 23 15:45:32 lol Aug 23 15:45:35 lol, I said device, not paper weight Aug 23 15:45:45 the kindle is a device Aug 23 15:45:56 yes, that use intended of a paper weight Aug 23 15:46:15 just kidding, kindles are cool ;) Aug 23 15:46:32 can't beat that e-ink battery life Aug 23 15:46:34 Ironsight: it has media streaming stuff and can share folders Aug 23 15:46:46 i just don't know what app to use and if there is any? Aug 23 15:47:15 no one ported samba to webos? Aug 23 15:47:25 webos runs on linux Aug 23 15:47:42 ya Aug 23 15:47:52 yeah Aug 23 15:48:04 use mount Aug 23 15:48:28 I was asking a slightly sarcastic more of a ?!?! kinda thing Aug 23 15:48:44 talking to hotdp about the streaming issue Aug 23 15:48:54 in that case...get to hacking/porting Aug 23 15:49:25 * hotdp would like to control he's music collection from the ipad. Mood agent only looks at the local files? Aug 23 15:50:33 sugardave: how is hp this morning? Aug 23 15:50:44 stocking up in the company store? Aug 23 15:51:20 yup, drank the koolaid Aug 23 15:51:44 oilsworkn: I wish I was there to stock up....going to have to get an alternate plan, I think Aug 23 15:52:23 aw Aug 23 15:53:14 I wonder if I can get one of those fancy white ones... Aug 23 15:53:25 b&n still hasn't refunded me the money from my canceled order :/ Aug 23 15:53:47 wtf Aug 23 15:54:38 sugardave: is there a profile sort of thing for me to share my TP with my wife. so her emails and FB stuff comes up instead of mine? Aug 23 15:54:48 IGNTNUNLMTD: rimshaht is done Aug 23 15:55:02 Hey All Aug 23 15:55:06 "TouchPad to include smart-caching cloud-based music syncing" need that Aug 23 15:55:08 just need to get an image fixed, and the "extras" Aug 23 15:55:09 rimshotah? Aug 23 15:55:16 oilsworkn: rimshaht Aug 23 15:55:31 hey tomhut Aug 23 15:55:37 * oilsworkn is pronouncing that "rim shat" Aug 23 15:55:39 Bmyers: I think you can only have one active profile at a time and it MAY require a doctor to change them Aug 23 15:55:50 rimshite Aug 23 15:55:55 Tibfib: whee got a touchpad in the end, and a pre 3 (both arriving this week) Aug 23 15:56:02 tomhut: awesome! Aug 23 15:56:05 tomhut: i gave irccloud a go Aug 23 15:56:06 just got my touchpad yesterday Aug 23 15:56:12 but came back to webchat Aug 23 15:56:23 because irccloud is laggy Aug 23 15:56:34 too bad, would be handy to have. Aug 23 15:56:34 oilsworkn: fair enough Aug 23 15:56:38 but i do like its premise Aug 23 15:56:49 If anyone else wants to try irc cloud I have 1 spare invite Aug 23 15:56:53 YOU'RE TOO LAGGY Aug 23 15:56:56 and how they style messages/handle online stuff Aug 23 15:57:04 hey Tibfib Aug 23 15:57:13 tomhut: hopefully they'll fix the lag issue Aug 23 15:57:16 it was really my only problem Aug 23 15:57:37 oilsworkn: its been ok for me Aug 23 15:57:47 oilsworkn: have heard mixed reports Aug 23 15:57:49 it could just be the internet here at work Aug 23 15:57:50 IGNTNUNLMTD: ready to rimshaht it up? Aug 23 15:57:58 fuck. yeah. Aug 23 15:58:53 oh shoot Aug 23 15:58:56 I don't have an app icon Aug 23 15:59:03 haha Aug 23 15:59:05 MOON IT IS Aug 23 15:59:07 ship it Aug 23 15:59:22 noooooooo Aug 23 15:59:24 hahahahaha Aug 23 15:59:39 take a picture of a symbol and put goatse-esque hands on the sides Aug 23 15:59:39 fuckit, we'll ship it live! Aug 23 15:59:45 there's an icon people wont forget Aug 23 16:00:00 sooo can we change volume in 3.0? Aug 23 16:00:01 as devs? Aug 23 16:00:14 <3 ya all! Now time for work. Aug 23 16:01:58 I think today is the day we tie the record for most 100+ degrees days in a year Aug 23 16:02:11 tie is the same as losing Aug 23 16:02:19 tomorrow we win! Aug 23 16:02:46 queue "we're number 1" chant? Aug 23 16:03:03 "we're crispy and dead!" Aug 23 16:03:08 lol Aug 23 16:03:09 lol Aug 23 16:03:19 i think the next time this telemarketer calls im going to answer and just set hte phone down Aug 23 16:03:55 I started answering the car warranty ones and asked if they could get me a good warrany deal for my Model T Aug 23 16:04:07 they finally stopped calling Aug 23 16:04:12 lol Aug 23 16:04:39 I always ask them to insure my Lamborghini Murcielago for my 16 year old Aug 23 16:05:02 funny how no company wants to do that Aug 23 16:05:20 yeah, cheapskates Aug 23 16:05:56 "He wants something cool to drive to and show off at school" Aug 23 16:06:06 "I don't understand why you won't allow this." Aug 23 16:07:37 http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/57249/hp-home-home-office-store-2x-hp-touchstone-wireless-charging-docks-for-touchpad Aug 23 16:07:44 anyone want to go halvsies with me? Aug 23 16:08:05 halvsies? heh Aug 23 16:08:19 haha Aug 23 16:08:28 where do you live? Aug 23 16:08:30 :P Aug 23 16:08:38 Washington State Aug 23 16:08:43 * oilsworkn too xD Aug 23 16:08:50 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hps-master-plan-put-webos-in-stasis-until-pc-unit-is-spun-off/55775?tag=nl.e539 Aug 23 16:08:59 ah, I live at literally the other end of the country Aug 23 16:09:13 on the x axis Aug 23 16:09:14 washington losers Aug 23 16:09:21 I mean winners Aug 23 16:09:28 maik: Y U NO setup WA webos meetup? Aug 23 16:09:29 Tibfib: where are you from? Aug 23 16:09:55 *ahem* Aug 23 16:09:56 kansas Aug 23 16:10:15 maik, seriously though, ill paypal you half if you order it and ship to me Aug 23 16:10:19 there now rimshaht should be done Aug 23 16:10:23 do they ship to eu? Aug 23 16:10:25 well usable Aug 23 16:10:40 oilsworkn: i live in Pullman, 7 miles from the Idaho border. i'm in position to create a meetup :) Aug 23 16:10:48 oilsworkn: ok. let me run it past the wife and we'll see what she says Aug 23 16:11:05 psh get a new wife if you have to ask Aug 23 16:11:08 :-P Aug 23 16:11:10 hah Aug 23 16:11:46 gotta get my folks a ts for the tp i ordered them Aug 23 16:12:38 whee wireless transfer working Aug 23 16:12:38 for 115 or so u can get the kb, case and ts for tp Aug 23 16:12:45 maik: if i drop off irc, my email is brandonvb@gmail, contact me there with info/etc Aug 23 16:12:53 k, will do Aug 23 16:12:56 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/touchpad-to-get-document-editing-this-week/ Aug 23 16:13:11 (im at work so i could need to leave for whatever reason) Aug 23 16:14:00 oh Aug 23 16:14:02 forgot Aug 23 16:14:09 touchpad shows up as topaz-linux Aug 23 16:14:20 yepperz, it sure does Aug 23 16:14:30 yeah Tibfib get with the codenames Aug 23 16:14:32 Tibfib: any icon ideas? Aug 23 16:14:35 i would know, because i have one Aug 23 16:14:43 IGNTNUNLMTD: no icon idea is better then mine so just go with it Aug 23 16:14:56 lol Aug 23 16:15:05 no more moon Aug 23 16:15:17 but the moon is the best icon ever! Aug 23 16:15:22 no, i had a better suggestoin after hte moon Aug 23 16:15:27 oh Aug 23 16:15:30 what was that? Aug 23 16:15:45 a moon with a star Aug 23 16:15:46 heh Aug 23 16:15:48 I'll just ask dan Aug 23 16:16:07 " take a picture of a symbol and put goatse-esque hands on the sides" Aug 23 16:16:40 rofl Aug 23 16:16:48 seriously it will be wonderful Aug 23 16:16:54 hi! Aug 23 16:16:58 Adora will love approving that Aug 23 16:17:31 Adora better love this app Aug 23 16:17:33 and feature it Aug 23 16:17:39 i have a adora watch Aug 23 16:17:39 it will be amazing Aug 23 16:17:41 http://h5.abload.de/img/dscf2639.rafkke2.jpg Aug 23 16:17:47 so what is up guys Aug 23 16:17:51 soo the nomnomnom ad animates in Aug 23 16:17:54 it is pretty attractive Aug 23 16:18:01 and ginormous Aug 23 16:18:02 fnac is open, but the site is overloaded :( Aug 23 16:18:56 what's your app, IGNTNUNLMTD Aug 23 16:18:57 ? Aug 23 16:19:02 what the hell Aug 23 16:19:12 it's Tibfib's app Aug 23 16:19:16 ooo Aug 23 16:19:19 still hasnt shipped, but my buddy who ordered 2hrs after i did, his shipped Aug 23 16:19:22 stupid ass hp.com Aug 23 16:19:25 RIMSHAHT Aug 23 16:19:27 RIMSHAHT Aug 23 16:19:36 * Tibfib wishes he could have a url launch the app Aug 23 16:19:42 so you could paste it into twitter Aug 23 16:19:45 and it would auto launch it Aug 23 16:20:09 closest you get is the appcat url Aug 23 16:20:09 oh man, that would be cool, wouldn't it Aug 23 16:20:15 yeah Aug 23 16:20:22 touch TO SHARE RIMSHAHT! Aug 23 16:20:37 a patch could auto launch an installed all tho Aug 23 16:20:49 all = app Aug 23 16:20:56 yeah Aug 23 16:21:07 I just might make a patch Aug 23 16:21:39 yeah, do an about screen with a link to Preware Documentation Aug 23 16:21:46 and an explanation of the patch Aug 23 16:22:56 that's a lot of work Aug 23 16:23:08 yeah, true Aug 23 16:23:26 this app is supposed to be super simple :) Aug 23 16:23:32 the about page might not even have contact info Aug 23 16:23:39 there is really no reason to contact me Aug 23 16:23:54 yes there is Aug 23 16:23:58 to buy your other apps Aug 23 16:24:00 durrr Aug 23 16:24:08 it will have a FAQ: Q. will you add ________ sound? A. no. Aug 23 16:24:17 Q. Can I has more noms? Aug 23 16:24:19 dawm: there is a jumbo nomnomnom ad at hte bottom Aug 23 16:24:20 rofl Aug 23 16:25:59 * oilsworkn wants tshirt like http://i52.tinypic.com/25f4rwz.png Aug 23 16:26:10 nerdz Aug 23 16:26:12 someone with better art skils make it better Aug 23 16:26:12 lawlz Aug 23 16:26:54 I was working on another t-shirt concept to sell for webOS Internals donations Aug 23 16:27:06 chuqui! Aug 23 16:27:18 Hello my Friend, stay a while an listen... Aug 23 16:27:32 did your pre or pixi have the same clock issiue as me? Aug 23 16:27:36 hola Aug 23 16:27:42 morning, otters Aug 23 16:27:49 * Tibfib nods Aug 23 16:28:07 chuqui: the photos/blog mixup was awesome :) Aug 23 16:28:17 webos internals donations? Aug 23 16:28:52 yes Aug 23 16:28:54 IGNTNUNLMTD: you have any pictures up still? Aug 23 16:28:59 of? Aug 23 16:29:04 lol: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sha/2549849730.html Aug 23 16:29:11 IGNTNUNLMTD: what is the aim? Aug 23 16:29:18 for what onr Aug 23 16:29:40 chuqui: it is cool to see someone with the *.palm.com at the end of their hostanme. hope this week hasn't been too crazy Aug 23 16:29:47 oilsworkn: unintentional, I assure you. Just really, really tired and my fingers fumbled. Aug 23 16:30:06 leiru: LOL Aug 23 16:30:06 chuqui: i understand, I just love unexpected awesome like that :) Aug 23 16:30:19 kevets: thanks. we're figuring it out, so we can move it forward again. Aug 23 16:30:41 can i add #screwHPforruiningmylife to my #webOSOS tweet? Aug 23 16:30:49 yessir Aug 23 16:30:49 lol Aug 23 16:30:56 your life isn't ruined, nor is webOS Aug 23 16:31:14 WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE Aug 23 16:31:17 IT'S OVER Aug 23 16:31:20 IT'S ALL OVER Aug 23 16:31:20 IGNTNUNLMTD, it could be Aug 23 16:31:29 doubtful Aug 23 16:31:34 craptacular devices.. Aug 23 16:31:54 My Sprint Pre- is a pacemaker Aug 23 16:32:08 but the most innovative OS on the market Aug 23 16:32:10 yeah unless you were holding out for a webOS pacemaker your life shouldn't be ruined Aug 23 16:32:34 but i was... don't you see!? Aug 23 16:32:38 oh snap Aug 23 16:32:38 errrrrrrrrr, WEEEEEEE! Aug 23 16:32:43 TMC: unable to pump blood Aug 23 16:32:51 * kevets beaten by twbbas Aug 23 16:33:01 "remove some arms and try again" Aug 23 16:33:06 * twbbas wins Aug 23 16:33:06 lol Aug 23 16:33:22 I overclock my pacemaker Aug 23 16:33:24 so school starts tomorrow Aug 23 16:33:32 wow that sucks Tibfib Aug 23 16:33:36 tell me about it Aug 23 16:33:39 Tibfib: I don't start until the 6th Aug 23 16:33:41 even devs seem like they should be in OK shape with all the new potential touchpad customers Aug 23 16:33:41 takin your tp with ya? Aug 23 16:33:47 oilsworkn: lol Aug 23 16:33:56 umm, no, probably not Aug 23 16:34:01 I don't wanna be one of those tools Aug 23 16:34:18 O LET ME GET OUT MY TAAAAABLET FOR THESE NOTES Aug 23 16:34:20 its a hot product, people queued for it and everything Aug 23 16:34:37 dont let those iJerks get ya down Aug 23 16:34:39 paper has infinite battery life Aug 23 16:34:43 I wish I could use the periodic table app in school Aug 23 16:34:49 but my chem teacher is hardcore and would never allow it Aug 23 16:34:53 kevets: SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO PULL THE CARD DOWN AND MAKE A SLINGSHOT NOISE Aug 23 16:35:00 kevets: i just stopped all my webOS devel. and are doin' some holidays with waiting for announcements and capturing photos Aug 23 16:35:04 Tibfib: you haven't memorized the periodic table yet!? Aug 23 16:35:13 ooh, Periodic Tablet Aug 23 16:35:18 hah, no. highschool isn't very serious Aug 23 16:35:19 ;) Aug 23 16:35:31 heh, my high school chem teacher made me memorize it Aug 23 16:35:32 * oilsworkn is still workin on wirc Aug 23 16:35:34 or no, that was jr high Aug 23 16:35:39 s/me/us/ Aug 23 16:35:41 Tibfib: Up until yesterday, I thought you were at least 5 years older than me Aug 23 16:35:44 some dude on craigslist just beat me --> he uses the f-ck more than i do Aug 23 16:35:49 twbbas: wait, really? Aug 23 16:35:53 Ya man Aug 23 16:35:56 leiru: yeah that makes total sense actually.. feel things out a bit. Aug 23 16:36:05 kevets: after beeing very pessimistic on thursday, i now just wait without any predictions, neither bad or good Aug 23 16:36:15 twbbas: how did you realize? Aug 23 16:36:22 i just hang out :) Aug 23 16:36:24 when you talked about going to school Aug 23 16:36:32 oh, could be Aug 23 16:36:33 Tibfib: When you said AP chem Aug 23 16:36:37 yesterday Aug 23 16:36:40 ahhhh Aug 23 16:36:48 I was like " oh... high school" Aug 23 16:36:52 maik: meh, I'll memorize it if I have to Aug 23 16:37:03 Tibfib is not young enough to be important though Aug 23 16:37:12 no he still makes apps with childish names Aug 23 16:37:17 no "youngest aesomest dev" for tibfib Aug 23 16:37:22 lol Aug 23 16:37:25 webOSNewbie is the youngest dev Aug 23 16:37:32 if you count him as a dev Aug 23 16:37:36 I am HAPPY to not be the youngest dev Aug 23 16:37:40 there were a lot of stupid mnemonic devices our chem teacher used to help us Aug 23 16:37:46 I kinda dislike teenagers, a lot. Aug 23 16:37:58 when tibfib opens the pedobear webos app it only says "too old." Aug 23 16:38:04 hahah Aug 23 16:38:10 lol Aug 23 16:38:51 but i still remember a lot of them nowadays, so i guess they weren't that dumb Aug 23 16:39:30 http://mashable.com/2011/08/23/35-of-tablet-owners-bathroom/ Aug 23 16:39:36 "aye gee (Ag) he stole my Silver" Aug 23 16:40:02 maik: what did the boss say about ts? Aug 23 16:41:12 * sugardave is glad to not be the oldest webOS developer. Aug 23 16:41:26 thats haeffb Aug 23 16:41:27 she just got back to her comp, asking Aug 23 16:42:21 * oilsworkn snickers Aug 23 16:42:41 heh Aug 23 16:45:58 hmph one of my friends responded to my #webosos tweet.. https://twitter.com/#!/dannykochis/status/106028898931843072 Aug 23 16:45:58 sugardave: how many touchpads did ya get? :D Aug 23 16:46:22 at least he's got the #iamasheep part right lol Aug 23 16:46:22 oilsworkn: negative, sir. sorry :/ Aug 23 16:46:40 Tommy: I'm letting the public get theirs...I think we're getting a stash we can purchase from Aug 23 16:46:49 so when that gets finalized, I'm thinking about picking up 5 or so Aug 23 16:46:58 sugardave: oh, didn't know you were with hpalm Aug 23 16:46:58 si Aug 23 16:46:58 sugardave: lies Aug 23 16:46:58 i ordered 2 from some 3rd party vendor through amazon Aug 23 16:47:06 but i'm not so sure they won't send me an email like "lolz we ran out of stock 5 hours before you bought yours, sry" Aug 23 16:47:06 the palm campus is _completely_ out of TP's Aug 23 16:47:17 maik: awwwwwwwww Aug 23 16:47:29 Tommy: onSale? Aug 23 16:47:29 we've got a bunch of expenses coming up. and apparently she'd rather i get her and the kid a birthday present than spend another $50 on myself :P Aug 23 16:47:32 sephiap: yessir, we had this discussion Aug 23 16:47:32 ah it was you was it?! Aug 23 16:47:32 indeed Aug 23 16:47:32 I thought it was Bas... something I had that chat with Aug 23 16:47:34 apologies :) Aug 23 16:47:34 anyone lknow if there are developer devices left? Aug 23 16:47:45 Tommy: I thought they put a stock number into Amazon, affliates, so they can't oversell? Aug 23 16:48:19 I will be peeved if I get an email saying those 2 touchpads won't be mine D: Aug 23 16:49:20 what's the cross app launch params for the catalog on the tp? Aug 23 16:49:20 com.palm.app.findapps **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 16:51:08 2011 Aug 23 16:51:57 sephiap: i'm just very skeptical because of how late i ordered it, the whole internet had been in a frenzy for like 18 hours by the time i got mine through Aug 23 16:52:23 i was in australia and got a kik message from a friend saying "how many touchpads are you ordering", had no idea the price was lowered Aug 23 16:58:11 Ìû Aug 23 16:58:43 It's always nice starting the UI on a new webOS app Aug 23 16:59:50 Tommy: from what I've been reading online, it sounds bad -- like they oversold and are currently sorting on first come first served basis Aug 23 17:00:02 apparently any orders of > 1 unit are getting cancelled. great. Aug 23 17:00:28 hopefully my dev devices are being cancelled Aug 23 17:00:28 sephiap: onSale? Aug 23 17:01:06 sephiap: i knew it'd happen... Aug 23 17:01:08 Tommy: yes Aug 23 17:01:22 shitty, too, because if i hadn't ordered through them i could've gotten from HP when they restocked Aug 23 17:01:37 aye, I'm glad I bought a 16GB from the UK as a backup Aug 23 17:02:18 hey all Aug 23 17:02:18 interesting. pre3 is sold out, even though it never got discounted Aug 23 17:02:31 where did they even release it? Aug 23 17:02:48 dunivan: europe. i've got one here. Aug 23 17:03:02 sooo nomnomnom has beat koot in sales now Aug 23 17:03:15 how many TP have been sold? anyone know? Aug 23 17:03:23 hey all! Aug 23 17:03:25 s/koot/koto/ Aug 23 17:03:28 Tibfib: party time? Aug 23 17:03:31 theres going to be more sold too Aug 23 17:03:34 oilsworkn: kind of Aug 23 17:03:40 I spent SOOOO much time on koto Aug 23 17:03:41 oh well Aug 23 17:04:52 hmmm, I know there's a way to check if an app exists Aug 23 17:04:54 via cross launch Aug 23 17:04:57 anyone have details? Aug 23 17:04:58 * NuttyBunny bought Koto last week :D Aug 23 17:05:06 Tibfib: i spent tons of time on wildn, and if i hadn't released it for the pad then i'd be SOL Aug 23 17:05:08 NuttyBunny: good man! Aug 23 17:05:21 Tibfib: I think you can only try to launch it and assume it's not there if no response Aug 23 17:05:23 * fxspec06 bought Koto on release day Aug 23 17:05:26 Of course, I'm still waiting for Koto-HD ;) Aug 23 17:05:28 =D Aug 23 17:05:31 sugardave: I don't want to just launch it Aug 23 17:05:36 that'd be annoying Aug 23 17:05:45 I thought there was a way to do "exists" Aug 23 17:05:46 that was before i even knew Tibfib Aug 23 17:05:52 well, there's definitely NOT a way to find out what apps exist, officially Aug 23 17:05:52 fxspec06: thanks man :) Aug 23 17:06:07 sugardave: right, but I thought you could call with params to check if it exists Aug 23 17:06:38 that's what I'm saying...you have to try to launch it with whatever params...if it works, awesome...if not, the app isn't installed Aug 23 17:10:50 fat pacakges, fyi: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/distribute/submitting_multi_platform_packages.html Aug 23 17:11:39 Tommy: http://www.gizmocrunch.com/web/8085-hp-touchpad-99-sale-amazon-cancel-order Aug 23 17:11:46 yay! apanta 3.0.5 is being released FRIDAY Aug 23 17:11:56 thank freakn god Aug 23 17:12:02 just fyi, looks like 2 is OK though, we may be good. We *haven't* had cancellation emails yet Aug 23 17:12:49 sephiap: i wish they'd just fucking cancel mine or fill it, pick one so i can decide whether or not to buy from elsewhere Aug 23 17:13:35 looks like everywhere is out of touchpads, eh? Aug 23 17:13:46 dgarbs: everywhere was out of touchpads 6 hours after the price drop Aug 23 17:13:55 Tommy: Yeah, I'd agree, problem is you still can't buy it anywhere else. I have an outstanding order with OnSale, and have been trying elsewhere as well. No luck. :( Aug 23 17:13:55 not entirely true Aug 23 17:13:56 some retailers' websites didn't say so, but they were. Aug 23 17:14:04 i got some on amazon saturday Aug 23 17:14:14 dgathright: i see them on ebay, 32GB for $260 Aug 23 17:14:19 it's not $150, but it's still dirt cheap Aug 23 17:14:22 and my smb one already shipped Aug 23 17:14:24 (for what you're getting) Aug 23 17:14:31 screw that Aug 23 17:14:34 don't support those bastards Aug 23 17:14:38 ....? Aug 23 17:14:45 yeah, DON'T SUPPORT PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, god dammit Aug 23 17:14:50 don't encourage the assholes on ebay that bought up 20+ touchpads Aug 23 17:14:58 i was thinking that my touchpad order from office depot would likely get canceled, too (and i guess that's still possible), but just a few hours ago, my order status changed from 'pending' to 'in the warehouse'...i take that as a good sign Aug 23 17:14:58 umm Aug 23 17:15:02 most people in here bought >1 Aug 23 17:15:02 thats a shitty way to make money Aug 23 17:15:09 meh Aug 23 17:15:13 i bought more than 1, but they are all gifts or for family Aug 23 17:15:21 I plan on waiting them out Aug 23 17:15:31 if you're buying a bunch to sell on ebay, get a real job Aug 23 17:15:33 why is that more of a shitty way to make money than any other? Aug 23 17:15:35 a week or two and the price is going to plummet Aug 23 17:15:43 Expect a sudden spike on the prices when (if) they make *droidOS* run on the TouchPad :@ Aug 23 17:15:55 i do not believe the proce will plummet Aug 23 17:16:04 price* Aug 23 17:16:20 there's a surge in mindshare right now, and that brought a surge in demand Aug 23 17:17:05 plus, there's supposedly more in the supply channel Aug 23 17:17:22 IGNTNUNLMTD: there, it is done Aug 23 17:17:26 just need two images from dan Aug 23 17:17:39 wouldn't surprise me if there are a few shipping containers that just left china on friday morning Aug 23 17:17:39 if there are more comingn, i will likely buy another one :-D Aug 23 17:17:42 Every time you install Android on a Touchpad, you make baby jesus cry. Aug 23 17:18:09 ^ Aug 23 17:18:10 I miss the sale. I'll give you $150 for a 32gb Aug 23 17:18:31 dgathright: sounds like you're jelly Aug 23 17:18:33 * jmichaelx has high hopes for android and/or ubuntu on the touchpad Aug 23 17:18:48 ubuntu does run right now Aug 23 17:19:04 no need to pollute your TP with robotOS Aug 23 17:19:06 NuttyBunny: but it is not running well yet, is it? Aug 23 17:19:25 sweetness getting 2 32G TPs shipped! Aug 23 17:19:27 jmichaelx, depends on what you mean by "running well" Aug 23 17:19:38 i don't reall get the android on TP thing. just go get a nook to see how poor the experience is. I'd rather see webos on a lenovo thinkpad Aug 23 17:20:06 oor is the lenovo tablet the tinktab? Aug 23 17:20:14 thinktab? Aug 23 17:20:19 haha Aug 23 17:20:23 dgathright: http://i.ebayimg.com/t/BRAND-NEW-HP-TOUCHPAD-16GB-SEALED-AND-UNOPENED-/00/$(KGrHqEOKogE4uDbgwyzBOU)soVv8g~~48_12.JPG Aug 23 17:20:23 NuttyBunny: yes, i suppose that is relative, but i think there would be some consensus that it isn't running well if it isn't fully usable... Aug 23 17:20:26 umad bro? Aug 23 17:20:44 thats a lotta touchpads Aug 23 17:20:58 that is a lot Aug 23 17:21:09 just reinforces my expectation of the crash Aug 23 17:21:11 @hedami ordered a pallet of 50 32GB TPs last night for $49.99 each Aug 23 17:21:15 Tommy: Jelly? Not at all, just sad that people would replace webOS with Android, which sucks on tablets at the moment. The only category Android is better at is slightly more quality apps. In every other category webOS is nicer, cleaner, better. Aug 23 17:21:21 jmichaelx: I refuse to run Ubuntu on my touchpad until I can use my daughter's Bamboo Fun with it Aug 23 17:21:24 :/ Aug 23 17:21:28 jmichaelx: you run an X server in a card, inside it you run a window manager, then your applications. I use it for firefox, document editing w/libreoffice, torrent download with deluge, terminal thingies with rxvt instead of xterm, and everything works. Even chromium, java, palm-package !! Aug 23 17:21:58 dgathright: +1 Aug 23 17:22:16 NuttyBunny: ahh... ok, you are talking about the chrooted ubuntu Aug 23 17:22:21 time to go jog. brb later Aug 23 17:22:49 NuttyBunny: i am very happy to know that ubuntu is usable when installed that way Aug 23 17:22:57 dgathright: Aug 23 17:23:01 jmichaelx, Of course, I won't install another underlying operating system on my touchpad, webOS is great Aug 23 17:23:08 (back) Aug 23 17:23:09 palm HQ store still has phones Aug 23 17:23:12 that's interesting, palm eurostore has pre3 as "out of stock" but to be available "within next 24-48 hours" Aug 23 17:23:15 dgathright: i'm not going to get into the android/webOS debate, i don't care which you prefer to be honest Aug 23 17:23:39 dgathright: if webOS was so fantastic it wouldn't be discontinued, and it'd probably have a marketshare >1%, but oh well. at least you like it, that's what counts Aug 23 17:23:44 NuttyBunny: i have never used webos, but it looks like i should get my chance by the end of the week Aug 23 17:23:59 ... but no touchpads Aug 23 17:24:46 Tommy: betamax vs vhs Aug 23 17:24:47 jmichaelx: webOS by itself is pretty intuitive and easy to learn, ubuntu on the other hand can be a bit hard to get up and running by people that don't know their way around it Aug 23 17:25:22 or, if you want to really do a vote by numbers thing, obviously china and india are the best countries to live in :P Aug 23 17:25:35 Tommy: to be fair, there were a whole lot of other factors that could have done hp & the touchpad in, no matter how great webos is.... not only that, i am not convinced yet of webos's demise Aug 23 17:25:44 dwc-: i don't think the majority of indians would say india is the best place to live... Aug 23 17:26:04 i spent part of my summer in africa, and i don't think the people there would say it's their #1 favorite place in the world, either. Aug 23 17:26:09 moar == bettar Aug 23 17:26:10 the majority of indians wouldn't be asked. Aug 23 17:26:14 Tommy, webos is fantastic... but the advertising was downright embarrasing. And the developer program had some very serious issues. Aug 23 17:26:17 neither would I, but if you're saying market share is everything... Aug 23 17:26:25 india+china have a dominant lead there :p Aug 23 17:26:25 how would they know if they haven't been anywhere else? Aug 23 17:26:37 tommy, Bad developer program = few good apps. Aug 23 17:26:47 jmichaelx: i know it's not as simple as "marketshare sucks, OS sucks", i was keeping it simple... he was the one saying "zomg so much better than android bcuz i say so" Aug 23 17:27:01 Tommy: might depend on where you live in africa. i know more than a few africans who would not voluntarily leave their homeland Aug 23 17:27:27 brb Aug 23 17:28:20 Tommy: in my opinion, you were not making any point at all... the whole thing is obviously a matter of preference.... i would personally soften up more to webos if it were less proprietary Aug 23 17:29:21 jmichaelx chpwn called WebOS "the closest thing to an open source tablet OS out there, because you can see most of its source code" Aug 23 17:29:37 jmichaelx Honeycomb is scarcely open-source..... Aug 23 17:29:47 hmmm http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/08/23/1615251/WebAPI-Mozilla-Proposes-Open-App-Interface-For-Smartphones Aug 23 17:30:05 EdLin: or, indeed, not at all - kernel only Aug 23 17:30:11 EdLin: yes, and it is a stretch to call android a fully open OS (that very thing was running through my mind when i made my previous post) Aug 23 17:30:12 less proprietary....hahahaha, that's a good one Aug 23 17:30:16 Tommy: webOS isn't being discontinued. And my comment was much more than "zomg so much better than android bcuz i say so". If you break it down a comparison of the features & categories, I said the only one Android is clearly superior at is more high quality apps. That's not fanboyism, it's just a head to head comparison. Aug 23 17:30:22 there IGNTNUNLMTD, it is done Aug 23 17:30:35 well, still need those two images Aug 23 17:30:45 but it now hides the nomnomnom ad if it is installed Aug 23 17:30:47 Shadyman sounds interesting, but Mozilla makes awful mobile web-browsers. Aug 23 17:30:48 shadyman, no offense, but I don't want my Applications written by web developers... that's one of the key problems with the WebOS as it is. Aug 23 17:30:53 send me screenshots? Aug 23 17:30:57 JustinHoMi: why? Aug 23 17:31:05 look at the current market. Aug 23 17:31:10 what about it? Aug 23 17:31:25 a very high quantity of poorly written apps that don't do much Aug 23 17:31:35 JustinHoMi Javascript is very powerful, it's not a "toy language" and I actually like it better than Java for many applications. Aug 23 17:31:48 that is the developer's fault, not the language. Aug 23 17:32:06 JustinHoMi that's true of the Android and even iOS markets too, or do you think that iTunes' market really has 150,000 quality apps? Aug 23 17:32:15 You're talking a lot of shit for someone who bases themselves in a platform that is the epitome of low grade Aug 23 17:32:18 exactly Tibfib... Aug 23 17:32:27 JustinHoMi: and also, you shouldn't try and insult every single person in the room in one post Aug 23 17:32:30 gradually works best. Aug 23 17:32:38 jmichaelx: As EdLin mentioned, I'd argue that webOS is even more open than Android. HP/Palm is incredibly supportive of the homebrew community and has rarely told them to not do something (tethering early early on is the only one that comes to mind). All the UI-level source code is viewable & editable, so hack away. Aug 23 17:32:58 I know Tibfib, but I was a WebOS developer too Aug 23 17:33:14 your point? Aug 23 17:33:16 yeah, and a lot of the frameworks, more than Android, are open-source Linux frameworks. Aug 23 17:33:17 JustinHoMi: then the answer is clear - write your own apps Aug 23 17:33:28 and stop insulting the few that are doing it already Aug 23 17:33:33 there are some reall well made webOS apps out there Aug 23 17:33:34 sugardave, exactly... I did. Half of the apps on my phone were written by myself Aug 23 17:33:38 dgathright: well, all i can say is that i am looking forward to becoming familiar with webos... and have my hopes up that it will not be dying Aug 23 17:33:39 I have an Android phone, but WebOS is a nice OS. Aug 23 17:33:42 but then you'd be a *gasp* web developer, too Aug 23 17:34:07 no I am not a web developer. I'm just saying... it's too easy for your average web developer to write an application and publish it to the market Aug 23 17:34:10 used to have a Palm Pre. Aug 23 17:34:16 JustinHoMi: lol. Aug 23 17:34:18 and soon will have a Touchpad. :) Aug 23 17:34:27 jmichaelx: http://www.webos-internals.org/ is a great starting point if you want to dive in Aug 23 17:34:42 JustinHoMi: you're killing me smalls. Aug 23 17:34:44 bbl Aug 23 17:34:45 just a small point here: it was the devices that were canned, not webOS. just saying. Aug 23 17:34:52 EdLin: my touchpad is supposed to arrive (from office depot) on thursday :-D Aug 23 17:35:02 dgathright: thx for the link Aug 23 17:35:03 nohorse: shhh, you're messing with the troll narrative Aug 23 17:35:11 jmichaelx mine just shipped today, from Best Buy. Aug 23 17:35:21 Question: Does Netflix work on Ubuntu? If so, then we could have Netflix on TP with using the Ubuntu Chroot Aug 23 17:35:30 twbbas no Aug 23 17:35:31 I don't think it does Aug 23 17:35:34 twbbas: netflix does NOT work on ubuntu Aug 23 17:35:36 my hopes have been demolished Aug 23 17:35:42 twbbas only OS X, Windows, and a few mobile platforms. Aug 23 17:35:44 Tibfib, take it as you like. I'm not trying to insult anyone... if you can't see the basic issue with allowing non-programmers to write applications then you'll never understand. Aug 23 17:36:03 javascript programmers aren't programmers? Aug 23 17:36:13 really Aug 23 17:36:15 JustinHoMi there are a lot of non-programmers, or rather, people that shouldn't be programmers, writing Java. Aug 23 17:36:18 twbbas: you may still have hope.... there is still much talk of netflix supporting HTML5 + chrome browser/chromeOS Aug 23 17:36:23 i was writing javascript in high school, and i was not a programmer Aug 23 17:36:24 your argument would be much more effective if you didn't insult us every post Aug 23 17:36:30 the daily WTF has plenty of Java programs. Aug 23 17:36:49 I would be happy to perhaps agree with you, if you didn't go about it like a tool Aug 23 17:36:55 JustinHoMi I was writing C in high school. Aug 23 17:37:01 Tibfib_, Sorry if I'm not politically correct Aug 23 17:37:01 Hey! It's troll day in #webos! Aug 23 17:37:07 guess C isn't a programming language. Aug 23 17:37:09 Shadyman: inorite Aug 23 17:37:10 EdLin, I was too, but not until 10th grade :) Aug 23 17:37:11 rwhitby: ping Aug 23 17:37:33 Tibfib_: I'm not rwhitby, but... PONG. Aug 23 17:37:39 Shadyman: yeah, we sold devices to total nitwits Aug 23 17:37:40 ping Aug 23 17:38:18 madnificent: you seem to be contributing to the downward spiral here, imo Aug 23 17:39:47 oh where has my beautiful #webos gone Aug 23 17:39:56 none of us can do anything about the decisions HP made, and these discussions are an expected result of what HP did Aug 23 17:40:00 seriously Aug 23 17:40:09 I want a new channel with no douchebags Aug 23 17:41:12 Just being playing with my new touchpad - it's a nice toy Aug 23 17:41:31 Alanrogers: for us is a tool, not a toy :) Aug 23 17:41:37 (it) Aug 23 17:43:11 Anyone tried Cappuccino apps on the Touchpad? Aug 23 17:43:51 maybe OT conversation should be directed to #mobile-watercooler (if that is what the intent of that channel is) Aug 23 17:43:51 all you guys and your fancy languages...whatever happend to Pascal? Aug 23 17:43:52 JustinHoMi why don't you leave the channel, and go to some other channel to bash a platform and its users. Aug 23 17:43:52 sugardave death by Borland. Aug 23 17:43:52 or whatever they renamed themselves to. Aug 23 17:43:52 JustinHoMi: I was writing C++/Java in high school, and I was not much of a programmer (at the time). Today I'm a software engineer and I spend 100% of my time in JavaScript. Aug 23 17:43:52 yeah, they don't even make Pascal/Delphi anymore, and are a subsidiary of another company now. Aug 23 17:43:52 JustinHoMi put away your web browser, it runs non-professional programs on the web. ;-) Aug 23 17:44:26 wow, that slickdeals thread went to shit Aug 23 17:44:32 Tibfib_: what app had I better love? Aug 23 17:44:43 Like, does http://280slides.com/ work on the Touchpad? Aug 23 17:45:28 Adora: Rimshaht Aug 23 17:46:07 sweet, it appears my TP has shipped Aug 23 17:46:11 :-D Aug 23 17:46:16 jmichaelx: from where? Aug 23 17:46:22 dgathright, I'm really not trying to bash any of you guys, especially someone such as yourself. The problem I see is that there are too many people writing apps that are *not software* engineers. I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from. Aug 23 17:46:22 pakl: office depot Aug 23 17:46:38 jmichaelx: nice -- congratulations :) [still waiting for onSale here...] Aug 23 17:47:05 webos's problem is not too many people writing apps :P Aug 23 17:47:07 pakl: thanks... i was actually fully expecting that my office depot order would be cancelled Aug 23 17:48:32 JustinHoMi: you are talking bs. first of all, most of us working as software engineers. secondly every os allows non-engineers to start programming. Aug 23 17:48:37 i wonder if google's motorola mobility acquisition might have the effect of causing other handset/tablet manufacturers to develop an interest in using webos Aug 23 17:49:02 jmichaelx: hopefully Aug 23 17:49:51 Adora: its fixed?! Aug 23 17:51:06 engineers got to school for many years to recieve a degree and a title. anyone should be allowed to program computers and get better at what they do. we need more programmers. Aug 23 17:52:05 re: coping with all the new users - stay classy, show everyone what we're about. This is a GOOD problem to have. =] Aug 23 17:52:14 shame there's no such thing as a software engineer Aug 23 17:52:23 I mean tehre are people who have official titles that say as such Aug 23 17:52:35 but by the definition of any other engineering discipline, they don't exist Aug 23 17:52:39 doesn't it seem a bit esoteric to suggest only those who have been educated in software engineering (or similar) should be programmers? Aug 23 17:52:44 I never had to sweat a licensing test Aug 23 17:53:02 JustinHoMi: No, I don't understand where you are coming from. Percentage-wise, there are likely more absolutely horrible apps for Android & iOS than webOS. You don't need to be a genius to write apps for those platforms either. Aug 23 17:53:09 nohorse: everyone is allowed.. everyone can start with java, c, php... if he wants to Aug 23 17:53:22 dgathright: 100+ fart apps agree with you Aug 23 17:54:04 Shadyman: lol, Ohhh… but those were written by engineers using "real" programming languages, so it's ok. Aug 23 17:57:31 uh. Aug 23 17:57:47 rain&thunder&bolts here Aug 23 18:00:07 leiru: better then triple digit temperature Aug 23 18:00:28 I.... think I bricked a TP Aug 23 18:00:51 what a jerk Aug 23 18:01:14 * NuttyBunny slaps halfhalo-work Aug 23 18:01:17 was it hard? Aug 23 18:01:19 halfhalo-work tried webos doctor yet? Aug 23 18:01:26 LOL Aug 23 18:01:36 How many of you would let a guy with no engineering edu. design a house for you? :d Aug 23 18:01:40 NuttyBunny: that's what she said? Aug 23 18:02:01 cwayne: ROFL Aug 23 18:02:01 so if HP releases the quickoffice update, do you think that'll come as an app update or OTA? Aug 23 18:02:01 Zagitta: there's a difference between a mobile application and a fucking house Aug 23 18:02:14 dgarbs, app update Aug 23 18:02:14 app update most likely Aug 23 18:02:16 Doctor does nothing. And I may have been messing with A6 stuff Aug 23 18:02:25 cool Aug 23 18:02:34 did you guys hear Aug 23 18:02:37 I hope they fix some of the bugs with the browser, maybe we'll get another OTA some day Aug 23 18:02:46 there was a huge earthquake in Virgia Aug 23 18:02:47 halfhalo-work: you're screwed... time to open it up and make a tutorial, just like rwhitby :D Aug 23 18:02:58 90 miles away from DC Aug 23 18:03:18 * halfhalo-work votes plan B. Break out the tools and fix it himself. Aug 23 18:03:25 fxspec06 5.8, that's not so huge. Aug 23 18:03:37 plan c) go office space on it Aug 23 18:03:37 i didn't know what the magnitude was Aug 23 18:03:38 halfhalo-work: well, messing with the A6 stuff is asking for a brick Aug 23 18:03:45 duh. Aug 23 18:03:48 i jus heard over the radio Aug 23 18:03:55 fxspec06 anyone hurt, or just dishes broke? ;-) Aug 23 18:03:57 but its ok, its not my TP Aug 23 18:04:00 lol, not really sure Aug 23 18:04:03 lol Aug 23 18:04:14 i'm sure someone's kitty got hurt from the dishes Aug 23 18:04:34 some husband is getting the boot for not securing the china Aug 23 18:04:50 http://www.google.com/search?q=earthquake Aug 23 18:05:01 google has a recent earthquake list! Aug 23 18:05:38 halfhalo-work, I hope it wasn't the one you were to send me :P Aug 23 18:06:00 psh, no. its my work issued one Aug 23 18:06:29 hehehe.. too bad Aug 23 18:06:59 scumbag halfhalo Aug 23 18:07:08 gets job at hp to break all the touchpads Aug 23 18:07:08 aaaannnndddddd...... its alive! Aug 23 18:07:14 i had a dream one of my tablet orders shipped Aug 23 18:07:20 and i woke up and one of them shipped Aug 23 18:08:12 halfhalo-work, that was fast, you messed up the partitions or why it wouldn't work? Aug 23 18:08:26 This must be part of the Leo Apo-calypse Aug 23 18:08:54 pakl: nice Aug 23 18:08:59 2012 Aug 23 18:09:04 earthquakes and 100 dollar touchpads Aug 23 18:09:07 the world is ending Aug 23 18:09:11 haha Aug 23 18:09:20 can you use C# in webos? Aug 23 18:09:41 PatrickC: perhaps by using the pdk Aug 23 18:09:41 perhaps as a Plugin for a hybrid or PDK Aug 23 18:09:45 PatrickC: and shouldn't you know that? Aug 23 18:09:55 LOL Aug 23 18:10:00 madnificent: I haven't had time to play with the pdk much :) Aug 23 18:10:05 he's joining the dark side Aug 23 18:10:08 in fact, I haven't done anything with it Aug 23 18:10:09 he's still getting around to those c languages Aug 23 18:10:23 NuttyBunny: shhhhh Aug 23 18:10:29 no one is suppose to know Aug 23 18:10:36 lulz, Lenovo just launched the much-anticipated Honeycomb tablet. Price? $500. Something tells me they are going to sell exactly 18 of those over the next month. Aug 23 18:10:59 haha Aug 23 18:11:09 yeah, $99 touchpad killed the pad market for a few weeks at least Aug 23 18:11:17 no clr on webos so no c#. no mono or moonlight ports either. all web languages Aug 23 18:11:20 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/23/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-now-available-for-order-priced-at-500-a/ Aug 23 18:11:39 nohorse: there is pdk, with C/C++ Aug 23 18:11:46 I didn't know if C# was there too Aug 23 18:11:51 until the $99 and $149 TP's clear out there will be no android tablets sold. I SAY Aug 23 18:11:59 :) Aug 23 18:12:00 Depends where you are I guess - none of those tablets (besides the ipad) seem to sell that well to start with - so I doubt there was much stock in the UK to get rid of Aug 23 18:12:14 pdk is C but no c#. c# is .net Aug 23 18:12:29 ah Aug 23 18:13:13 oilsworkn: This was essentially HP carpet bombing the non-iPad tablet market. Scorched Earth. It'll be 6 months before anyone buys Android tablets again. Aug 23 18:13:27 yeah Aug 23 18:13:45 and introduces a lot of new folks to how awesome webos is Aug 23 18:13:59 For example, in the first week of august, the Touchpad sold 100 units in the UK and between them the android tablets sold a few thousands - outside of tech circles, nobody actually wants a tablet Aug 23 18:14:38 Once all these jackasses get their shipments of 40+ Touchpads and flood eBay, the price will be sub-$200 for quite a while. Aug 23 18:14:48 lol Aug 23 18:15:00 Hell *I* don't want a tablet! I am however cheap. Aug 23 18:15:18 lol Aug 23 18:15:53 Jackass, exhibit A: http://i.ebayimg.com/t/BRAND-NEW-HP-TOUCHPAD-16GB-SEALED-AND-UNOPENED-/00/$%28KGrHqEOKogE4uDbgwyzBOU%29soVv8g~~48_12.JPG Aug 23 18:16:10 Seriously, for £89 the touchpad is great but once it breaks, I'm not going to spend £200 or more on a new one, I'll just go back to using my laptop and PC Aug 23 18:16:11 * oilsworkn should sell his touchpad... Aug 23 18:16:13 ...box Aug 23 18:16:21 The Lenovo tablet has some nice features. I'd like to see webOS on something like that. I think webOS would be a nice alternative to android. Aug 23 18:16:34 "once it breaks"...how defeatist Aug 23 18:16:46 lol Aug 23 18:16:57 Well it's going to break eventually! Maybe not for two to three years! Aug 23 18:17:14 i heard its made of adamantium Aug 23 18:17:26 Alanrogers: "Once it breaks" which will likely be 5 years from now. At that point, yeah, you won't even be able to find a Touchpad. Well, hopefully a Touchpad 4. Aug 23 18:17:35 Having said that, I notice a lot of people complaining that their touchpad has cracked around the speakers Aug 23 18:17:38 I heard it self-replicates Aug 23 18:18:05 any news about that second "batch"? Aug 23 18:18:09 Now for some software picks - Twitter client? And something to read CBZ and CBRs? Aug 23 18:18:23 CBR? Aug 23 18:18:27 IGNTNUNLMTD: whenever I see problems like that, i never believe them Aug 23 18:18:28 like " Aug 23 18:18:30 of Touchpads Aug 23 18:18:33 you dropped it didn't you? Aug 23 18:18:41 hahaha Aug 23 18:18:47 nu uh it was like that when i got it Aug 23 18:18:49 sure Aug 23 18:18:54 SO WHAT IF I DID DROP IT Aug 23 18:19:01 or like preople returning pres Aug 23 18:19:02 my speakers are fine Aug 23 18:19:08 because the slider wiggled a millimeter to the side Aug 23 18:19:11 because I TAKE CARE OF MY DEVICE Aug 23 18:19:12 its a damn slider Aug 23 18:19:12 I have seen a couple of people talk about cracked plastic around the speakers, but I haven't seen any Aug 23 18:19:31 IGTNUNLMTD - CBR is simply the RAR version of the CBZ(ip) Aug 23 18:19:59 what's CBZ? Aug 23 18:19:59 didn't jason make a comic app? Aug 23 18:20:00 lol Aug 23 18:20:03 OH Aug 23 18:20:04 comicshelf or something like that Aug 23 18:20:18 yep Aug 23 18:20:19 then yeah, Canuck Coding Aug 23 18:20:28 has a app for comics that's good Aug 23 18:20:30 It's basically renamed ZIP and Rar files that are used as the format for zipped jpegs for comic reading Aug 23 18:21:01 Also I like how easy, preware is - have to drop those guys a donation Aug 23 18:21:27 whats it for? Aug 23 18:22:26 Preware? It allows you to load patches and sideload apps Aug 23 18:22:49 magic Aug 23 18:22:57 oh Aug 23 18:23:09 magic and unicorns Aug 23 18:23:25 "sideload", sounds to me as strange as "rooting" Aug 23 18:23:38 linuxuz3r: in short: you want it Aug 23 18:24:19 it's an appstore/package manager for the homebrew stuff Aug 23 18:24:37 lucky for halfhalo, he can wander around and find someone with debug/devel stuff Aug 23 18:24:46 linuxuz3r: in short, you have to have it Aug 23 18:26:27 PatrickC: in case you'd wonder, C C++ and C# have relatively little in common with each other Aug 23 18:26:55 Hm. Do eventListeners only trigger once, then stop listening? Aug 23 18:27:03 that is to say, it's not that learning C# gives you the portability of C. and it's not like C++ is a language that's really at the level of C. the abstractions are all vastly different Aug 23 18:27:12 also, all of them are evil Aug 23 18:27:19 Shadyman: No, they'll just keep on listening. Aug 23 18:27:26 dgathright: Hmmm. Aug 23 18:27:48 If you only want it once, remove the listener from within the listeners callback function. (if that makes sense) Aug 23 18:27:58 It does. But my listeners are only firing once :( Aug 23 18:28:09 Oh, hmm... Aug 23 18:28:23 which kinda sucks for a progressbar-type thing. Aug 23 18:29:21 ok Aug 23 18:29:31 and I don't want to have to re-listen in the callback, since that'd chew up CPU time Aug 23 18:30:12 if your events stop, it sounds like the element/scope has been lost? Aug 23 18:30:28 hmmm Aug 23 18:30:42 this.$.sound.audio.addEventListener("currentTime", this.currentTimeChange()); Aug 23 18:30:56 sounds plausible Aug 23 18:30:59 no Aug 23 18:31:03 that is wrong Aug 23 18:31:10 this.currentTimeChange Aug 23 18:31:11 no () Aug 23 18:31:16 otherwise you are calling it Aug 23 18:31:35 even if currentTimeChange is a function? Aug 23 18:31:39 yes Aug 23 18:31:53 when you put the () it means "execute this right now" Aug 23 18:32:03 vs a reference to it Aug 23 18:32:11 ? Aug 23 18:32:12 for your event handler, though, you just want the function, not the execution value Aug 23 18:32:15 right Aug 23 18:32:19 Derrrrrp./ Aug 23 18:32:25 Thanks. I'll try that out. Aug 23 18:32:28 np Aug 23 18:32:45 Silly DOM, tricks are for kids. Aug 23 18:33:59 GODDAMNIT Aug 23 18:34:15 ? Aug 23 18:34:30 kense heard "kids" and thought someone was talkin about him Aug 23 18:34:39 Hahaha :P Aug 23 18:35:01 webOS doesn't support adjusting html5 audio volume apparently Aug 23 18:35:10 * oilsworkn is not surprised Aug 23 18:35:25 sugardave: Hmm, now they're not firing at all :x Aug 23 18:35:25 we'll have webOS meetup on friday in hamburg, germany Aug 23 18:35:42 kesne: this.$.sound.audio.*? Aug 23 18:35:42 Shadyman: Aug 23 18:35:44 bind it Aug 23 18:35:52 oh yeah, bind it Aug 23 18:36:02 I'm not into that kind of stuff, but okay Aug 23 18:36:03 enyo.bind(this, this.currentTimeChange) Aug 23 18:36:09 * oilsworkn needs maik and others to organize a webos event in WA already Aug 23 18:36:18 oh, ianbeck is in WA too Aug 23 18:36:20 Shadyman: hold up a sec Aug 23 18:36:20 i did mention i'm in Pullman? Aug 23 18:36:29 it's practically Idaho Aug 23 18:36:32 oilsworkn: Come down to Portland! Aug 23 18:36:34 sugardave: Where do I bind it? create()? or right before the listener? Aug 23 18:36:36 and i am not proud of that Aug 23 18:36:58 maik: im in the middle-ish, so its not a big deal Aug 23 18:36:59 * Shadyman holds his keyboard up. Aug 23 18:37:00 var timeChangeHandler = enyo.bind(this, this.currentTimeChange); this.$.sound.audio.addEventListener("currentTime", timeChangeHandler); Aug 23 18:37:11 ooo Aug 23 18:37:11 hmm Aug 23 18:37:13 and i got a sister that lives in spokane Aug 23 18:37:13 hax. Aug 23 18:37:31 and an uncle that lives in seattle Aug 23 18:37:54 Shadyman: won't matter where you do the bind as long as it's done before you set up the listener Aug 23 18:38:03 hmm Aug 23 18:38:07 can I bind it inline? Aug 23 18:38:19 and holding a reference like that lets you remove event listeners properly Aug 23 18:38:31 inline....like? Aug 23 18:38:41 addEventListener("currentTime", enyo.bind(this.currentTimeChange)) Aug 23 18:38:47 yeah, BUT Aug 23 18:38:50 memory leak Aug 23 18:38:54 you can't stop listening that way Aug 23 18:38:54 then you don't have a reference to it Aug 23 18:39:00 === memory leaks Aug 23 18:40:20 I haven't done a lot of extensive leak testing in Enyo, but in Mojo you had to be really careful with listeners or you could trash everyone's good time with TMC errors Aug 23 18:40:40 sugardave: I thought enyo fixed that? Aug 23 18:41:06 kesne: meh, I am a control freak Aug 23 18:41:10 mebbe it did Aug 23 18:41:10 sugardave: Because it's just one big draw event, and then throws that entire instance in the trash when the card i thrown off. Aug 23 18:41:43 right, but what about multi-card apps...you don't REALLY need to listen to stuff in a card that's minimized but running Aug 23 18:41:46 kesne: But assuming I leave the card running all day, because it's awesome Aug 23 18:41:46 some stuff, anyway Aug 23 18:42:26 So it sits there using a few KB of memory Aug 23 18:42:31 * oilsworkn always has a nubmer of apps always open Aug 23 18:42:31 Big deal :P Aug 23 18:42:42 sugardave: Is there an event that is called when teh card is minizimed/maximized? Aug 23 18:42:59 Shadyman: sure, you need an ApplicationEvents kind Aug 23 18:43:04 yeah Aug 23 18:43:17 and listen on onWindowActivated/Deactivated events Aug 23 18:43:27 I think that's what they're called... Aug 23 18:43:28 HAHAHAHAHA Aug 23 18:43:30 HAH Aug 23 18:43:31 it's in the API docs Aug 23 18:43:31 everyone Aug 23 18:43:38 go check out 3 in a row in the app catalog Aug 23 18:43:43 how did that even get thru review? Aug 23 18:43:54 Remember before application events? Aug 23 18:43:55 its a dev screen.. for app screen orientation Aug 23 18:44:20 developer mistake, reviewer not even caring Aug 23 18:44:44 sugardave: So I'd imagine that turning off my listeners for time change (firing ~1/sec) would be A Good Thing(tm) when the card/music control popup aren't being watched Aug 23 18:45:20 since it's just for UI, not for actual control of music Aug 23 18:45:36 hrm, $40 touchpad touchstones. *ponders* Aug 23 18:45:44 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.johnrouda.3 Aug 23 18:45:45 dwc-: whurr Aug 23 18:45:47 HAH Aug 23 18:45:48 ^^ Aug 23 18:45:48 is anyone here selling a touchpad? Aug 23 18:45:51 srsly Aug 23 18:45:55 matbee: Good luck with that Aug 23 18:45:55 BEST GAME EVAR Aug 23 18:45:57 someone here is hording Aug 23 18:46:02 lol Aug 23 18:46:08 oops, nevermind. added one and they're currently out of stock Aug 23 18:46:11 but taking orders for future Aug 23 18:46:15 (officedepot) Aug 23 18:46:20 Shadyman: yeah, I would...just make sure it updates to the current time properly on activate Aug 23 18:46:24 kesne, did you make that game? Aug 23 18:46:31 dawm: Haha, I wish Aug 23 18:46:43 i wanted to see how it compared to my game Aug 23 18:46:48 but i cant.. it is no game Aug 23 18:47:02 sugardave: indeed. The current time comes straight from the Sound.audio control, so having the correct time shouldn't be an issue as long as I call it up when the card reopens Aug 23 18:47:14 dont wanna troll but if hp stopped supporting webos are they going to opensource it? Aug 23 18:47:32 nobody knows Aug 23 18:47:46 ah whats the use i dont even code Aug 23 18:47:52 lol Aug 23 18:47:53 lol Aug 23 18:47:56 linuxuz3r: my crystal ball is in the shop :/ Aug 23 18:48:00 the use is "other people code" Aug 23 18:48:08 just wondering if it is good for the community Aug 23 18:48:14 i heard they were gonna set up a cage deathmatch where different companies and open source people could send their champtions for a fight to the death Aug 23 18:48:14 but the awesomeness those who do could create is endless Aug 23 18:48:25 i saw it on twitter, and the tweet started with "CONFIRMED:" so it's true Aug 23 18:48:46 * oilsworkn is down for a deathmatch Aug 23 18:49:01 lol Aug 23 18:49:05 only if its narrated by the celebrity deathmatch guys Aug 23 18:49:15 wonder how they make games for the touchpad Aug 23 18:49:18 or for webos Aug 23 18:49:48 linuxuz3r: the PDK. Aug 23 18:50:09 linuxuz3r: basically, webos games are NPAPI (Mozilla, etc) browser plugins Aug 23 18:50:12 directhex, any simpler way of doing it Aug 23 18:50:34 if the game can be done in javascript, there's the SDK. but that means card games etc. Aug 23 18:50:43 ehh Aug 23 18:50:45 not exactly Aug 23 18:50:47 ok Aug 23 18:50:50 hybrids are the mix of both worlds Aug 23 18:51:04 did you all get the email from chuq? Aug 23 18:51:06 like wirc, js for the gui, c for the heavy lifting on the plugin side Aug 23 18:51:09 was wondering more like 3d games Aug 23 18:51:19 oilsworkn: wirc is the best game ever! Aug 23 18:51:23 where can I find notch? Aug 23 18:51:28 it is Aug 23 18:51:30 siestacat: on reddit Aug 23 18:51:32 As far as not being able to do direct TCP connections, couldn't someone just write up a PDK, and then we can have hybrid JS apps that can do sockets? Aug 23 18:51:37 the ai in here is so realistic Aug 23 18:51:38 funny Aug 23 18:51:42 i almost thought you all were people Aug 23 18:51:44 s/PDK/pdk app/ Aug 23 18:51:45 wire is amazing Aug 23 18:51:51 on it right now Aug 23 18:51:52 Shadyman, maybe you could use NodeJS to do some websockets Aug 23 18:51:52 autocomplete ftw Aug 23 18:51:54 the HP TP notify me button takes you to a page that just says thanks for the interest, no form no nothing Aug 23 18:51:59 hmm really js for gui and c for the frontend? Aug 23 18:52:01 matbee: Maybe. Aug 23 18:52:11 linuxjacques, wouldnt the gui be the front end? Aug 23 18:52:13 its an olde nodejs, but it should still work Aug 23 18:52:16 directive : reddit? Aug 23 18:52:17 er linuxuz3r Aug 23 18:52:21 linuxuz3r: you could Aug 23 18:52:22 matbee: That's SEXY. Aug 23 18:52:27 ye olde node? Aug 23 18:52:29 i love lamp. Aug 23 18:52:31 you can have hte plugin visible behind a js gui Aug 23 18:52:46 shadyman, why thank you Aug 23 18:52:48 but (idk about 3.x) in 1.x/2.x you can't do multitouch in a hybrid Aug 23 18:52:59 https://twitter.com/#!/DeadTechnology/status/106067342915665920 Aug 23 18:53:06 matbee yeah i thought so too but i read somewhere that the frontend is like something like the core functions Aug 23 18:53:19 its not like the gui Aug 23 18:53:54 http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/23/im-very-serious/ - yay! webOS Aug 23 18:54:45 dawm, i think its for compilers and stuff Aug 23 18:54:46 sorry Aug 23 18:54:47 there was an earthquake? Aug 23 18:54:49 yeah Aug 23 18:54:53 So many apps, so little time. Aug 23 18:55:00 how does js and c communicate? Aug 23 18:55:09 Sprint Aug 23 18:55:09 Customers on the East Coast might experience an intermittent delay in making/receiving calls following the recent earthquake. This is a temporary mass calling event. To contact loved ones, please send text msgs rather call. Aug 23 18:55:15 memory location? Aug 23 18:55:29 errm Aug 23 18:55:36 DC earthquake,. from what I heard Aug 23 18:55:42 woot Aug 23 18:55:42 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/broken-touchpad-ifixit/ Aug 23 18:55:46 i submitted that ;P Aug 23 18:55:48 <- Josh Aug 23 18:56:02 would telling him where he finds the stylesheets fall under "reverse engineering of palm products" for me who has signed some contracts? Aug 23 18:56:05 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17681&p=89135#p89135 Aug 23 18:56:20 central virginia Aug 23 18:56:22 its a folder, open in the SDK fodler Aug 23 18:56:35 * oilsworkn looks for fodler button Aug 23 18:56:39 us californians can't figure out why all those east coasters are panicking Aug 23 18:57:21 linuxuz3r: I don't do PDK/hybrids, but I believe you call the PDK stuff from js with a service call, and then you can go the other way with specific methods available in the PDK to run js from your app Aug 23 18:57:26 something like that Aug 23 18:58:13 party in the nodejs chatroom Aug 23 18:58:17 http://chat.nodejs.org/ Aug 23 18:58:28 ok service call Aug 23 18:58:36 does the os handle it or what Aug 23 18:58:54 there is system call for the os to communicate with hardware and software Aug 23 18:59:04 but what about language to language? Aug 23 18:59:32 Ooo, August version of Pivod is out today Aug 23 18:59:36 pivot* Aug 23 19:00:36 wasn't that already out with the homebrew article? Aug 23 19:01:28 does enyo have vertical sliding panes? Aug 23 19:01:33 oilsworkn: maybe Aug 23 19:01:41 Is "Zeta Centauri" anyone here? Aug 23 19:01:52 btw, latest in-progress screenshot of the xbmc-remote if anyone cares: http://ompldr.org/vYTB1dw Aug 23 19:02:06 Shadyman, isnt that a constellation Aug 23 19:02:41 yeah we felt the earthquake here in toronto too Aug 23 19:02:43 ...it was peanuts Aug 23 19:02:47 linuxuz3r: Probably. Aug 23 19:03:00 lol, there is so much Android vs webOS debate going on right now. Can only mean good things for webOS. Aug 23 19:03:04 the earthquake flipped my lawn mower while i was mowing Aug 23 19:03:13 im in detroit Aug 23 19:03:32 http://webos101.com/kesne Aug 23 19:03:37 CNN said people in detroit felt it Aug 23 19:03:44 I live just north of detroit and didn't feel anything Aug 23 19:03:51 i was kidding Aug 23 19:03:53 dawm: You should sue the earthquake Aug 23 19:03:55 and what city Aug 23 19:04:08 im not in detroit, but near metro airport (i work there) Aug 23 19:04:15 I'm 20 miles north of detroit Aug 23 19:04:23 "is a popular webOS developer" lols Aug 23 19:04:29 kesne: Who's kense? Aug 23 19:04:32 so what? warren? Aug 23 19:04:33 It that a real person? Aug 23 19:04:36 they're the same person! Aug 23 19:04:38 dawm: near rochester Aug 23 19:04:44 gotcha Aug 23 19:04:46 dawm is kense Aug 23 19:04:50 O.o Aug 23 19:04:52 mind = blown Aug 23 19:04:59 Well Aug 23 19:05:00 shaboom Aug 23 19:05:00 Not really Aug 23 19:05:02 its so much easier to type Aug 23 19:05:11 He just registered the name on freenode Aug 23 19:05:17 did not Aug 23 19:05:21 haha Aug 23 19:05:22 it says so Aug 23 19:05:26 [03:01:58PM] -NickServ- Information on kense (account dawm): Aug 23 19:05:31 haha Aug 23 19:05:35 busted! Aug 23 19:05:37 [03:01:58PM] -NickServ- Registered : Jul 29 21:37:04 2010 (1 year, 3 weeks, 3 days, 21:24:57 ago) Aug 23 19:05:44 >;D Aug 23 19:05:51 Haha Aug 23 19:05:57 caught red-handed Aug 23 19:06:13 * oilsworkn wonders why he doesn't have a webos101 oage Aug 23 19:06:13 back to playing checkers Aug 23 19:06:17 so, does enyo have vertical slidingpanes? Aug 23 19:06:18 http://webos101.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kesne&action=history Aug 23 19:06:22 oh, you gotta make one yourself Aug 23 19:06:23 lolol Aug 23 19:06:25 mots_: I've heard it does Aug 23 19:06:40 kense: It's been a year? Aug 23 19:06:59 oilsworkn: There's no way someone would make a kesne page besides me Aug 23 19:07:00 Hey Aug 23 19:07:04 Whatever happened to anivrom? Aug 23 19:07:08 lol Aug 23 19:07:11 i guess it has Aug 23 19:07:16 mots_: i dont think so, but you could always make one Aug 23 19:07:28 not agaain Aug 23 19:07:32 <4 fruit ninja frenzy on facebook Aug 23 19:07:35 WTF Aug 23 19:07:36 <3 Aug 23 19:07:38 had to hack the grid together, as enyo.grid is broken as fuck Aug 23 19:07:51 I'm really good at Fruit Ninja Aug 23 19:08:03 what's fruit ninja Aug 23 19:08:20 twbbas: Why do you exist? Aug 23 19:08:28 because my mom and dad had fun Aug 23 19:08:39 You are everything that is wrong with this world Aug 23 19:08:53 if fruit ninja was on webos then I'd know Aug 23 19:09:15 http://apps.facebook.com/fruitninjafrenzy/ Aug 23 19:10:02 fail Aug 23 19:10:03 "jsondata={"error":406,"message":"fbid was not supplied and is not currently accessible."}" Aug 23 19:11:08 sugardave: http://pastebin.com/ZJJR4mZm Something like that? Aug 23 19:12:58 I use facebook otp, deal with it Aug 23 19:15:03 how do i set the style of a specific item of a virtual list Aug 23 19:15:42 if anyone knows Aug 23 19:15:52 I LIKE CHEESE Aug 23 19:19:06 i take that as noone knows Aug 23 19:20:20 className: "poop" Aug 23 19:20:48 yeah but i don't even know the id Aug 23 19:21:02 so? Aug 23 19:21:21 like how do i get the item of a row that i want in a list Aug 23 19:21:24 Shadyman: close Aug 23 19:21:32 enyo.bind needs 2 arguments Aug 23 19:21:47 the first is the scope you want to bind to the second arg which is the function Aug 23 19:21:58 so enyo.bind(this, theFunction) Aug 23 19:23:01 sugardave: Ah. That would explain the scope issues. Aug 23 19:23:20 so.. this, this.theFunction? or this, function? Aug 23 19:23:23 mots_: I THINK you can just change the layout to VFlexLayout for the slidingpane Aug 23 19:23:37 Shadyman: this.theFunction in your case Aug 23 19:23:39 sugardave, i'll try that, thanks Aug 23 19:23:40 kk Aug 23 19:23:53 btw, how do I iterate over the items of a VirtualRepeater? Aug 23 19:24:06 and actually, i found that "timeupdate" was better than currentTime to listen to Aug 23 19:24:10 OR an easier question, would be how do i call setupRow function when i want Aug 23 19:24:16 mots_: when you render it Aug 23 19:24:25 er fxspec06 Aug 23 19:24:26 like rerender it Aug 23 19:24:40 this.$.repeater.render() Aug 23 19:26:12 mots_: you can fetch an individual row by index, and then render that row again Aug 23 19:26:23 is there no other way then rerendering the whole thing? Aug 23 19:26:29 mmmmmmmm Aug 23 19:26:35 you can just re-render the row Aug 23 19:26:45 .renderRow(index) Aug 23 19:28:09 sugardave: Er, Wow. did you write the book on enyo or something? :D Aug 23 19:29:04 Shadyman: forget the book, he created enyo Aug 23 19:29:06 >.< Aug 23 19:29:06 haha, no Aug 23 19:29:07 muhahah, i have a working progressbutton! Winning! Aug 23 19:29:47 now to set up the "Buffering..." one Aug 23 19:30:33 hmm, timechange calls ~3 times /second Aug 23 19:31:47 If anyone's curious, I'm making a Last.fm streaming app Aug 23 19:32:29 Shadyman: im curious Aug 23 19:32:30 cool, good luck Aug 23 19:32:46 I've got it streaming, i'm just working on UI and stuff Aug 23 19:33:15 who needs a ui.. give me a command prompt :p Aug 23 19:33:24 ./play_tunes.sh Aug 23 19:33:56 I must admit, the 2V amplifier vs the normal 1.5V certainly makes a difference. Aug 23 19:34:02 I be rockin' them Beats Aug 23 19:34:12 yup yup yup Aug 23 19:35:30 Aaaaand Last.fm API kicked me off again for pulling too many playlists in too short a time. Sometimes dev work sucks :( Aug 23 19:35:47 Time to work on something else I guess. Aug 23 19:36:44 i have one purple sock and one green one on my feets Aug 23 19:36:54 yay, Barney colors! Aug 23 19:37:28 http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/57266/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter Aug 23 19:37:34 HP TP keyboard $30 freeshipping Aug 23 19:37:38 DOH its dead Aug 23 19:37:41 heh Aug 23 19:38:04 I coulda ordered one for $35 from my EPP last week.. I didn't really see the need, since Synergy Server works on the Touchpad too Aug 23 19:38:13 cross-computer mouse/keyboard ftw Aug 23 19:38:16 any expectations how long it will take to announce us devs about the future of webOS? Aug 23 19:38:35 that blog post had alot of words, but for me, no facts at all. Aug 23 19:38:38 leiru: I think they've been pretty emphatic about the fact that webOS is sticking around Aug 23 19:38:46 actually Aug 23 19:38:47 not dead Aug 23 19:38:49 just out of stock Aug 23 19:38:50 Order 1 for future delivery. Aug 23 19:38:52 * sugardave channels chuqui. "Before the cold death of the universe." Aug 23 19:38:59 Shadyman - did they talk about 'doubling down' ? Aug 23 19:39:07 Uh, no? Aug 23 19:39:10 * Shadyman headscratches. Aug 23 19:39:58 does anyone has numbers to the sold touchpads or how many were produced? Aug 23 19:39:58 When they got into it, they said they were "doubling down" on webOS and that the tablet market was a 'sprint not a marathon' hell even last week, Stephen Dewitt (sp) was saying how they were in for the long haul Aug 23 19:40:11 Huh. Aug 23 19:40:14 sprint.. Aug 23 19:40:17 hah Aug 23 19:40:23 It seems that this Android TouchPad was legit. Aug 23 19:40:32 Alanrogers: source? Aug 23 19:40:40 Are you joking? Aug 23 19:40:53 leiru: all those things were said (but it was 'marathon not a sprint') Aug 23 19:41:19 Oh I got that back to front (just like HP) Aug 23 19:41:21 Alanrogers: That and apparently the execs were not told about the culling of the touchpad Aug 23 19:41:22 leiru: also, I hear rumors of ~350K TouchPads sold...but I don't have access to real information :D Aug 23 19:41:27 HAH Aug 23 19:41:30 seriously tho Aug 23 19:41:34 I LOVE the TouchDroid logo Aug 23 19:41:39 BAD TOUCH Aug 23 19:41:41 little bit HP, little bit Droid Aug 23 19:41:44 As for 'doubling down' http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-were-doubling-down-on-webos-palm-that-was-the-whole-po/ Aug 23 19:41:52 http://www.touch-droid.com/wp-content/themes/egon/images/slide2.jpg Aug 23 19:41:53 LOL engadget Aug 23 19:42:17 "What's this article have to do with Apple?" Aug 23 19:42:41 sugardave: I'd expect more than that. And they have more touchpads shipping from the warehouse(s), apparently Aug 23 19:42:57 exciting! Aug 23 19:43:06 http://pastie.org/2418394 Aug 23 19:43:20 why does removing the background from the old selected row not work? Aug 23 19:43:43 It's hard to see, the glut was in the US but I don't believe figures that say there are two million out there Aug 23 19:43:45 matbee: Do I need to crosscompile or do anything funny like that for the touchpad? Aug 23 19:43:52 soo Aug 23 19:43:55 is there any way to specify a row index when trying to set an item style? Aug 23 19:43:55 im interested in this race Aug 23 19:44:02 who will be the first to get droid on the tp? Aug 23 19:44:04 Shadyman, for nodejs? Aug 23 19:44:08 XNA or Team TD Aug 23 19:44:08 matbee: Yeah Aug 23 19:44:13 dawm: qualcom Aug 23 19:44:20 sugardave: ^^^ Aug 23 19:44:27 Shadyman, No, webos 2/3 has nodejs installed, all you need to do is make a nodejs javascript service Aug 23 19:44:29 fxspec06: Should be. this.$.list.row[5].setStyle ? Aug 23 19:44:31 its not even compiled :) Aug 23 19:44:35 matbee: WTF Aug 23 19:44:37 thank you shady Aug 23 19:44:41 notsureifserious.jpg Aug 23 19:44:47 Shadyman, im serious Aug 23 19:44:51 fxspec06: It'd be something along those lines. I'm never 100% right out of the box Aug 23 19:45:11 http://rootzwiki.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2015&d=1314124091 Aug 23 19:45:30 man i cant believe hp dropped support of the webos Aug 23 19:45:31 lol Aug 23 19:45:40 we've seen things like that before dawm Aug 23 19:45:41 ARGH. Aug 23 19:45:41 linuxuz3r, they haven't yet Aug 23 19:45:47 linuxuz3r: They haven't. Aug 23 19:45:51 linuxuz3r, they're looking for a licensee for webos Aug 23 19:45:57 http://rootzwiki.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016&d=1314124098 Aug 23 19:45:58 App Portal supports Fat apps, yea! Aug 23 19:46:00 i wont believe it until there is something that is obviously not a screenshot at fullscreen Aug 23 19:46:09 requires phone screeshots. Aug 23 19:46:09 atm thats all that looks like Aug 23 19:46:14 well for the touchpad Aug 23 19:46:16 lol Aug 23 19:46:17 accepts pre3 resolution screenshots? Aug 23 19:46:20 NO. Aug 23 19:46:32 anyone? Aug 23 19:46:40 this.$.virtualList.row[i].applyStyle("background-color", null); >>> doesn't work Aug 23 19:47:07 oh wait Aug 23 19:47:19 fxspec06: Hmm. Aug 23 19:47:19 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327&page=5&p=72150&viewfull=1#post72150 Aug 23 19:47:24 that sounds super hoax'ish Aug 23 19:47:24 ... who does Precentral's writing? "We’re sending an S.O.S. to the world that we, the community" Aug 23 19:47:27 * rrix facepalms Aug 23 19:47:29 bought it and it came with droid on it already Aug 23 19:47:43 fxspec06: Not sure if .row is the right name for it Aug 23 19:47:45 from bestbuy Aug 23 19:48:30 that post sounds like somebody opened some fullscreen screenshots somehow Aug 23 19:49:00 I wouldn't put it past some peoples Aug 23 19:49:00 He promised he'll send one to one of #touchdroid guys. Aug 23 19:50:46 matbee: Is there an example of including nodejs in an app? Aug 23 19:50:54 Yep Aug 23 19:51:02 sprint gets iphone5 Aug 23 19:51:02 * oil got a touchpad runnng ios, i promise to send it to someone Aug 23 19:51:09 http://www.sprintusers.com/sprint-will-get-the-iphone-5/ Aug 23 19:51:14 i can even make up a few pictures Aug 23 19:51:18 you'll believe me? Aug 23 19:51:18 * Shadyman got a touchpad running Windows 3.1, i promise to send it to myself Aug 23 19:51:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB1TNwSRI6U Aug 23 19:51:25 Shadyman, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB1TNwSRI6U Aug 23 19:51:33 matbee: that's hawt Aug 23 19:51:34 Shadyman, also: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1661 Aug 23 19:51:36 anybody know much about routers? Aug 23 19:51:40 oil: Send it to me, when I get one I'll post pics and prove it. Aug 23 19:51:47 lol Aug 23 19:51:47 I have a few questions Aug 23 19:52:11 oil: You can't lose on that deal :) Aug 23 19:52:20 except my touchpad! Aug 23 19:52:23 soooo Aug 23 19:52:25 help? Aug 23 19:52:45 my bestbuy orders actually shippedddd! Aug 23 19:53:00 oil: But it's so special! Aug 23 19:53:13 lol Aug 23 19:53:31 im still waiting for HP to ship mine.. the one i bought before the firesale actually was live Aug 23 19:53:55 app downloads today 20x what they were last week. and days not even over. crazy. Aug 23 19:54:46 mots_: keep track of the row index that was tapped, then the next time, fetch the old row, remove the style and .renderRow(index) on it, apply the selected style to the new row, etc. Aug 23 19:54:58 I believe the index is in inEvent Aug 23 19:55:03 like inEvent.index Aug 23 19:55:15 Tibfib_: http://ompldr.org/vYTB3Yw/wirc-enyo_2011-23-08_155015.png Aug 23 19:55:26 Tibfib_: that better? Aug 23 19:56:35 the headers look like they need some help, but i like it more then the circles Aug 23 19:56:37 what should I look for in a router that will be used with 10 or more devices at any one time? Aug 23 19:57:37 this.$.virtualList.item.rowItem[i].applyStyle("background-color", null); is wrong too Aug 23 19:57:53 sugardave, that's pretty much what I did, except i kept the whole row Aug 23 19:57:55 Attn people: http://i.imgur.com/gKZ5O.png Aug 23 19:57:57 That is all. Aug 23 19:58:01 didnt wor, though Aug 23 19:58:06 but you did not renderRow(index) Aug 23 19:58:22 siestacat: nothing really, just that it isn't 'budget' speeds Aug 23 19:58:24 sugardave, i did this.selectedRow.render(); Aug 23 19:58:28 you just .render() on the row element and not the list Aug 23 19:58:36 a router will crash if it gets overwhelmed is the main issue Aug 23 19:58:47 .render() on the row element is different that .renderRow(index) on the repeater Aug 23 19:58:55 oh, i see Aug 23 20:00:14 plot : so lots of memory, n? Aug 23 20:00:20 plov Aug 23 20:00:28 dual band? Aug 23 20:00:59 no way you can check that though, so your best bet is to buy a more expensive home router or regular soho router, but honestly i bet 50$ home routers will be fine too Aug 23 20:01:03 depends on the traffic really Aug 23 20:02:25 you could take a small pc and build your own router with bsd :) Aug 23 20:03:04 siestacat: at my home, i've got 3/6 active devices at any one time, and this free router my ISP gave me runs fine Aug 23 20:03:15 sugardave, how do I get a row element using the index? Aug 23 20:03:26 oil: ya i want to right justify the headers Aug 23 20:03:33 plot : we always have more than 10 Aug 23 20:03:42 and we have a Belkin g router atm Aug 23 20:03:44 oil: if u have other header ideas let me know Aug 23 20:03:51 really basic Aug 23 20:03:52 what's wrong with the belkin? Aug 23 20:03:56 plov* Aug 23 20:05:08 mots_: have you looked at the API docs for the repeater? :P Aug 23 20:05:23 fetchRowNode: function(inRowIndex) Aug 23 20:05:24 Fetches the DOM node for the given row index. Aug 23 20:06:02 yeah, i tried that Aug 23 20:06:42 can't find any official docs on using canvas with enyo? what's the deal with that Aug 23 20:06:59 i mean isn't using canvas pretty much the only way you can even get some sort of touch capable game going in enyo Aug 23 20:07:15 but then I only get Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'applyStyle' Aug 23 20:07:41 klausa: http://i55.tinypic.com/nbc12g.jpg OMGOMGOMG hahaha Aug 23 20:07:50 omg Aug 23 20:07:54 i just sent a reply-all to EVERYONE at work Aug 23 20:07:56 ha Aug 23 20:08:09 mots_: yourFethcedRow.hasNode().applyStyle(); Aug 23 20:08:11 "Wait, you're getting rid of the flavoury coffee machine?!?! Noooo!!! Lose the espresso machine, not the goodness machine!" Aug 23 20:08:13 ........... Aug 23 20:08:15 siestacat: or build smth. like this with a pc/server: http://social-traffic.streamie.org/preso/static/#slide1 Aug 23 20:08:17 i look like such a tool Aug 23 20:09:33 oil: Could you also record movie :)? Aug 23 20:09:45 lol Aug 23 20:09:52 sugardave, Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'hasNode' Aug 23 20:09:54 ffs Aug 23 20:09:54 if i had a capture of an ipad Aug 23 20:09:57 i could play the video Aug 23 20:10:00 and pretend to be interacting with it Aug 23 20:10:24 matbee: So node.js runs WebService, etc? Aug 23 20:10:34 Shadyman, yeah Aug 23 20:10:48 Ah. Can you actually do host/port sockets with it still? Aug 23 20:10:53 Yep Aug 23 20:11:14 but socket.io is way beyond webos's nodejs version Aug 23 20:11:21 so youll have to use an older version Aug 23 20:11:31 (of socket.io) Aug 23 20:11:56 klausa: get me a video and ill make one of it playing with me pretending to use it :) Aug 23 20:12:22 Adora: prepare for wirc catalog update this evening Aug 23 20:12:33 make sure to hit hte correct button :D Aug 23 20:12:39 shadyman, https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17494 Aug 23 20:13:58 matbee: That's me ;) Aug 23 20:14:05 hahaha funny Aug 23 20:14:06 i just posted that response :D Aug 23 20:14:06 https://developer.palm.com/index.php has a new-ish look Aug 23 20:14:42 just a new content header Aug 23 20:14:46 they just changed the header Aug 23 20:14:47 yea Aug 23 20:14:48 lol Aug 23 20:14:55 before it was a TP and pre3 i think Aug 23 20:15:15 oil: you know who reviews and publishes webosinternals patches? Aug 23 20:15:29 there are a few people Aug 23 20:15:35 'we have to do something drastic for this new population of developers we're getitng' 'let's change the header!' Aug 23 20:15:38 rwhitby probably does the bulk of it Aug 23 20:15:46 but he is still asleep im pretty sure Aug 23 20:15:50 got one sitting in the queue submitted saturday. Aug 23 20:16:12 yeah, its manual not automatic Aug 23 20:16:17 plov, or the people working on the website had to update it before they were escorted out of the building Aug 23 20:16:20 someone has to think to check then go in and run it through Aug 23 20:16:42 from this point on, I see only HP being dicks to Palm Aug 23 20:16:51 matbee: Giggity. Aug 23 20:16:51 so .. just poke rwhitby again and ask him to check? Aug 23 20:17:07 and I'd recommend everyone who works at palm to quickly send their resume's to android/apple Aug 23 20:17:14 wondering if the HP App approval process is gonna be faster than the webos-internals patch one. :) Aug 23 20:17:53 if we lose that race something is wrong Aug 23 20:17:57 * oil goes back to work bbl Aug 23 20:18:03 indeed. Aug 23 20:19:24 P|C just broke firefox Aug 23 20:20:12 anyone know where libxar is in ubuntu atm? Aug 23 20:22:35 fnac.com (french) raised their price again (never dropped really low) Aug 23 20:34:04 matbee: Though unwiredben's app doesn't seem to use IP/Port Aug 23 20:35:36 weird, my Pre3 speakerphone volume goes way up when the slider is closed Aug 23 20:36:19 * Ironsight digs webos-internals.org Aug 23 20:36:32 * Tibfib builds webos-internals.org Aug 23 20:36:35 nice wiki on there Aug 23 20:37:01 and nice tools for linux sdk Aug 23 20:37:03 pdk* Aug 23 20:37:52 Tibfib, you run webos-internals? Aug 23 20:37:53 is there anywhere where I can still find a cheap Pre 3? Aug 23 20:37:59 Ironsight: nope, twas a joke Aug 23 20:38:04 ahh Aug 23 20:38:30 a poor one ;) Aug 23 20:39:15 PatrickBregman: I'm still monitoring fnac, if you have other sites, let me know. I'll start monitoring them as well. sorry for the confusing mail earlier. fnac came through extremely slowly, but my software detected a change (sadly, it was only a change of 60 euros or so) Aug 23 20:39:21 wait till rwhitby reads that Tibfib ;) Aug 23 20:39:30 haha Aug 23 20:39:31 just got an email from chuq Aug 23 20:39:36 I saw that change :( It sucked Aug 23 20:39:41 googling now for other places Aug 23 20:39:43 NuttyBunny: I should have said I did make it Aug 23 20:39:43 anyone ekse get one? Aug 23 20:39:46 else* Aug 23 20:39:51 I might try hitting the local Dixons tomorrow Aug 23 20:39:55 PatrickC_chroot: what did he have to say? :) Aug 23 20:39:59 PatrickC_chroot: well what did it say? Aug 23 20:40:02 anyone know what video specs the tp can play? cannot find it any where Aug 23 20:40:08 reading email now :) Aug 23 20:40:40 he confirmed licensing Aug 23 20:41:00 anything about interested parties existing? Aug 23 20:41:12 I think you're full of it PatrickC_chroot Aug 23 20:41:18 no more loaner/discount program for the time being Aug 23 20:41:26 Tibfib, want me to fwd? Aug 23 20:41:34 Deihmos, like 3d rendering? video formats? resolution? Aug 23 20:41:48 PatrickC_chroot: hmmm. Aug 23 20:41:48 video formats Aug 23 20:41:55 PatrickC_chroot, too bad, most of us got our devices less than half the developer price anyway these days ;) Aug 23 20:41:57 umm, lemme pull it up Aug 23 20:42:12 sugardave: have a pre3? wanna test Paper Mache on it for me? Pre3 Enyo app. :) Aug 23 20:42:24 palm.com/touchpad Aug 23 20:42:26 it is right there Aug 23 20:42:51 Deihmos, Video formats: MPEG-4 (H.263, H.264 encoded) Aug 23 20:43:04 resolution bitrate etc Aug 23 20:43:06 though this one is the nicest message I can find madnificent http://www.clove.co.uk/hp-pre-3 XD Aug 23 20:43:21 tried playing an p4 that lays on the phonen and just got audio Aug 23 20:44:12 rwatkins-mbp: I'm not sure the Pre 3 I have has Enyo on it... Aug 23 20:44:18 PatrickBregman: should i monitor the price on that one as well? Aug 23 20:44:29 PatrickC_chroot: no more TP loaneres? Aug 23 20:44:32 I think it only ships within the UK... Aug 23 20:44:36 or don't they ship outside of the uk Aug 23 20:44:40 ah, thought so as well Aug 23 20:44:42 LoneStar99, nope Aug 23 20:44:47 since when? Aug 23 20:44:48 sugardave: one from the UK did. http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/beta.html Aug 23 20:44:56 since... now? Aug 23 20:44:57 PatrickC_chroot: damned UKians Aug 23 20:45:03 mine is, um, special Aug 23 20:45:10 madnificent: well... there is an international link on the top... they just might ship int. Aug 23 20:45:13 might have ordered the last two =) Aug 23 20:45:23 1000-2000kbps. on the bitrate according to one site Aug 23 20:45:29 heh Aug 23 20:45:45 rwatkins-mbp: can't do it right now, regardless...when I get some breathing time I will check it out Aug 23 20:45:56 PatrickC_chroot: did they run out, or not sure?? Aug 23 20:45:57 Deihmos, ^ Aug 23 20:46:02 sugardave: cool thx, ya, imagine things are a bit .. busy. Aug 23 20:46:09 just a little ;) Aug 23 20:46:11 madnificent: though you might want to monitor this one: http://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secSvbg1I46tX2/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB437AA-ABU Aug 23 20:46:12 PatrickBregman: yup, they do Aug 23 20:46:15 LoneStar99, i can fwd u the email :) Aug 23 20:46:18 http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=6ebdb497054e982e&hl=en Aug 23 20:46:30 ok diegoATearthoid.com Aug 23 20:46:31 (weird site for hp touchpad info I know) Aug 23 20:46:39 aargh... why is this thing so hard to find :( Aug 23 20:46:46 trying to see if I can have the first Pre3 Enyo app out in the catalog. :) Aug 23 20:47:19 On the Amazon home page, "Kindle: The Best-Selling E-Reader in the World" Amazon should fix that. Imma guess more Touchpads are being sold now than Kindles. :) Aug 23 20:47:19 LoneStar99, i dont have your email Aug 23 20:47:27 diegoATearthoid.com Aug 23 20:47:32 willl be back later Aug 23 20:47:38 cya Aug 23 20:47:43 I wish my name was diego Aug 23 20:47:49 PatrickC_chroot: the eurostore is down more often than not (at least, from belgium) i think it may give very very much false positives Aug 23 20:48:06 im gonna get off too.. close the chroot :) Aug 23 20:48:12 I wish my name was Dora the Explora Aug 23 20:48:14 madnificent: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B004YZF17Y/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_g23_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1H7HKKR6XZNJR0QHDT1W&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375173&pf_rd_i=301128 :/ Aug 23 20:48:17 while we are at it Aug 23 20:48:18 madnificent, hmm.... Aug 23 20:48:20 idk Aug 23 20:48:39 bbl Aug 23 20:48:42 though that will get you a QWERTZ keyboard Aug 23 20:48:43 PatrickC_chroot: Use firefox to open your email and forward it ;) Aug 23 20:48:47 bah Aug 23 20:50:05 Also, anyone here with a HP TouchPad and a 5GHz WiFi network (a/n)? Aug 23 20:50:28 does it see/connect to the network? Aug 23 20:50:36 some sources say it will, others say it won't... Aug 23 20:50:57 I would imagine it works..mine only goes to g, though Aug 23 20:51:04 1000-2000 seems a bit low Aug 23 20:51:56 I have dual transmitter b/g/n router, so it "should" connect Aug 23 20:52:06 2.4 + 5 ghz Aug 23 20:52:52 damn, now i get it, sorry PatrickBregman that eurostore thing was for you Aug 23 20:52:56 though I never use N since the 5ghz range has horrible reception upstairs Aug 23 20:52:57 * madnificent was messing up nicknames Aug 23 20:53:23 * Tibfib votes a patrick changes his IRC name Aug 23 20:57:56 Hey, does anyone know why Novacom won't install under WOSQI for me? :( Aug 23 20:58:43 sammou should tweet jason about it Aug 23 20:58:51 novacom install under wosqi? what? Aug 23 20:59:15 Tibfib: That would remove the fun :( Aug 23 20:59:48 I promise you don't want to be confused with PatrickC Aug 23 21:01:14 But but, I'm PatrickB (on most networks) Aug 23 21:01:29 LOL Aug 23 21:01:35 use PatrickB here Aug 23 21:01:39 it'll be fun Aug 23 21:01:40 lol Aug 23 21:01:54 *I promise you don't want to be confused with PatrickC.* Aug 23 21:02:20 Then why don't I want that? Aug 23 21:02:28 is that your new status, Tibfib? Aug 23 21:02:52 sugardave: message neeeds to be heard Aug 23 21:06:34 Tibfib: care to explain? Aug 23 21:06:41 No. Aug 23 21:06:55 :( Aug 23 21:07:09 o well... I guess I'll find out Aug 23 21:07:10 eventually Aug 23 21:07:32 the automated message on the hp support line says they are canceling all orders placed after 12am CST August 22nd Aug 23 21:07:40 I think that was the time... Aug 23 21:07:53 no Aug 23 21:07:55 way Aug 23 21:07:59 (for touchpads) Aug 23 21:08:02 bastards Aug 23 21:08:02 no don't use patrickb Aug 23 21:08:10 call 866-625-0242, hit option 3, and wait for the message Aug 23 21:08:14 i'll learn to not like you Aug 23 21:08:19 =O Aug 23 21:08:48 maybe they mean midnight on the 22nd? Aug 23 21:08:48 i ordered mine on aug19, 10PM :(. ship, damn you! :( Aug 23 21:08:54 * fxspec06 is taking a break Aug 23 21:08:58 from hp? Aug 23 21:09:03 plov: from hp. Aug 23 21:09:06 I'll pay closer attention next time i hear it Aug 23 21:09:16 PatrickBregman: the monitoring code was a bit of a hit and miss, but it should be up at the moment... i'm not monitoring the palm site itself, it times out too often. Aug 23 21:09:17 I'm calling to get them to refund my shipping Aug 23 21:09:17 item being processed//tracking provided upon shipment. Aug 23 21:09:19 no, from enyo. right now. Aug 23 21:09:22 my head is on fire Aug 23 21:09:36 madnificent: it is consistently up here... Aug 23 21:09:43 I'll just check it myself then :) Aug 23 21:09:43 yeah, they said everything before then was fine Aug 23 21:09:49 anyone here work with both enyo and titanium mobile? Aug 23 21:09:52 thanks for the trouble in any case :) Aug 23 21:09:57 i guess yesterday was the cutoff day Aug 23 21:10:11 PatrickBregman: you're most welcome Aug 23 21:10:15 its amazing how suddenly i can care about something I barely knew existed a week ago :P Aug 23 21:10:18 pretty much last chance is when hp home restocks Aug 23 21:10:31 yep Aug 23 21:10:35 and whatever scraps are left over from stores Aug 23 21:10:37 I'm wondering what are they gonna do about warranty replacements Aug 23 21:10:38 that makes us who have been on it for > 2 years feel awesome Aug 23 21:10:39 if you don't have one then, it's over Aug 23 21:10:54 webOS ftw Aug 23 21:11:03 I mean, I've always been curious about webOS, but not so much about the touchpad Aug 23 21:11:14 couldn't say away, could you funkatron Aug 23 21:11:19 nope Aug 23 21:11:32 anyone have a working link to check hp order status ? Aug 23 21:11:33 same here, WebOS sounded nice while on Palm, but it never surfaced in my mind after HP Aug 23 21:12:05 I was addicted to android until I dealt with these tools Aug 23 21:12:07 funkatron: i feel like i remember you talking about titanium Aug 23 21:12:07 *still hopes to get a Pre 2 or 3 somewhere* Aug 23 21:12:18 huh, they changed the link i was using... Aug 23 21:12:24 these tools better? Aug 23 21:12:28 square: yeah Aug 23 21:12:38 I dont care much about the Pre 2, but I would love a 3 or a veer Aug 23 21:12:40 just familier to me being a linux junkie Aug 23 21:12:51 virtualbox... gcc style compilers... Aug 23 21:12:54 you know what i really want on my touchpad? Aug 23 21:12:58 KOTO PLAYER Aug 23 21:12:58 dgarbs: tell me more about your feelings Aug 23 21:13:00 it must suck being someone who ordered something other than a touchpad this week :P Aug 23 21:13:03 Tibfib: get on it Aug 23 21:13:09 fxspec06: give me money Aug 23 21:13:10 square: a Veer seems like an ultra budget thing :/ I tried that once with Android, not gonna happen again Aug 23 21:13:11 funkatron: have you worked with it at all? Aug 23 21:13:13 i will Aug 23 21:13:16 * madnificent still prefers the feel of a pre (-/+) over any other smartphone Aug 23 21:13:16 how much do you want Aug 23 21:13:23 dgarbs: I have. mostly desktop. a little mobile. Aug 23 21:13:27 hmmmm Aug 23 21:13:31 I just want the sharing feature Aug 23 21:13:31 it just feelsb etter than all other things, the pre2 included Aug 23 21:13:31 how does it compare to enyo? Aug 23 21:13:33 nice Aug 23 21:13:41 PatrickBregman: can you follow basic instructions, read, and understand logical thinking? Aug 23 21:13:41 I never jumped on the smartphone bandwagon Aug 23 21:13:56 dgarbs: first, which product do you mean? Aug 23 21:14:03 sugardave: of course :) I mean, I worked for several years at a service desk >_< Aug 23 21:14:06 sugardave: you ask too much! Aug 23 21:14:08 titanium mobile 1.0+ vs enyo Aug 23 21:14:14 they are both JS driven, correct? Aug 23 21:14:22 PatrickBregman: then you won't have any problems with mistaken identity Aug 23 21:14:23 carry on Aug 23 21:14:27 I'm wondering how hard it would be to pick up enyo if I've worked with titanium mobile in the past Aug 23 21:14:30 XD Aug 23 21:14:30 dgarbs: Enyo is a DOM framework, designed to work within a browser engine (webkit, specifically) Aug 23 21:14:38 ahh Aug 23 21:14:53 unlike titanium which is translated to native code? Aug 23 21:15:00 Titanium Mobile is a JavaScript-based runtime that creates native interfaces Aug 23 21:15:03 "native" Aug 23 21:15:04 hmm, could I use a Pre 2 to send text messages through a TouchPad as well, does anyone know that? Aug 23 21:15:07 but yes Aug 23 21:15:09 today was my second day really programming in enyo, and i got pretty far Aug 23 21:15:13 thanks, makes perfect sense Aug 23 21:15:16 yes Patrick Aug 23 21:15:21 my first day was like, a month and a half ago Aug 23 21:15:36 hmm, might try to get a Pre 2 then... Aug 23 21:15:37 do any of you find enyo to be kinda slow in terms of performance? Aug 23 21:15:41 phone calls to Aug 23 21:15:41 thanks! Aug 23 21:15:44 https://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/order_status_sign_in.do Aug 23 21:15:45 dgarbs: if you know how to code JavaScript (not just how to hack on a single framework), I htink that will give you a leg up, but they're pretty similar Aug 23 21:15:51 dgarbs: not really, no. Aug 23 21:16:14 cool, thanks for the info Aug 23 21:16:20 I should make this vmware image I am using for the "build server (ubuntu server)" available for download when I'm done building it... it's pretty lean, not the most, but not bad. Aug 23 21:16:22 I think the performance is pretty good, really. If you're smart with the DOM it can be buttery smooth Aug 23 21:16:33 I love my Pre2 that was hacked for Sprint usage Aug 23 21:16:47 erm, virtualbox image rather Aug 23 21:16:53 FrankenPre2 ftw Aug 23 21:18:06 is using canvas in enyo the standard way to make a game ? Aug 23 21:18:24 Bajan: thanks! Aug 23 21:18:27 because the docs on canvas for enyo seem non-existent Aug 23 21:18:37 I think one thing that can slow down Enyo stuff is if you go batshit crazy with UI components, instead of just using plain old HTML, when it gets a little more complex. there's a lot more overhead and setup for them Aug 23 21:19:18 Bajan: ah, but I ordered through SMB Aug 23 21:20:01 how much you guys figure they have for re-stocking? (hp) Aug 23 21:20:24 200k Aug 23 21:21:06 same boat here linuxjacques Aug 23 21:21:45 that 200k will be gone in a few hours heh Aug 23 21:21:51 even though 200k seems like a lot Aug 23 21:22:04 funkatron: do you think enyo would be better if it were more like titanium? Aug 23 21:22:17 dgarbs: no Aug 23 21:22:21 define "better" Aug 23 21:22:27 in terms of performance Aug 23 21:22:31 funkatron: more bet! Aug 23 21:22:38 on iOS, titanium has done pretty well in terms of performance Aug 23 21:22:55 possibly. you'd also toss out basically the code concept of webOS, too Aug 23 21:23:04 code = core Aug 23 21:23:13 yes and no Aug 23 21:23:18 i'm wondering why HP execs are taking so long to make a statement about the firesale Aug 23 21:23:21 it's still javascript Aug 23 21:23:23 *yes* Aug 23 21:23:43 the core concept is building applications within a browser runtime Aug 23 21:23:51 JavaScript is just a language. Aug 23 21:23:58 a web language Aug 23 21:24:04 that is incorrect. Aug 23 21:24:12 simply it's most popular usage Aug 23 21:24:26 the code JS definition has no DOM APIs, for example Aug 23 21:24:28 no XHR Aug 23 21:24:46 sorry, again, code = core Aug 23 21:24:56 you can break it down however you want, but javascript is used almost exclusively on the web Aug 23 21:25:07 dgarbs: are you serious? Aug 23 21:25:12 you are very misinformed Aug 23 21:25:24 server-side javascript is trending atm Aug 23 21:25:41 first off, you say "the web" as if that's an obviously defined term Aug 23 21:25:46 I think you mean "within browsers" Aug 23 21:25:54 indeed Aug 23 21:26:00 which is true, JavaScript's most popular usage is within web browsers. Aug 23 21:26:15 which is why i said "almost exclusively" Aug 23 21:26:20 which should not be an indictment. Aug 23 21:26:28 popular usage does not define the language, though Aug 23 21:26:35 indeed Aug 23 21:26:43 almost exclusively is a poor choice of words imo Aug 23 21:26:44 therefore, it is not "a web language." Aug 23 21:26:44 but i think webOS could still be considered a webOS in that instance Aug 23 21:26:51 you would be wrong Aug 23 21:27:03 lol Aug 23 21:27:20 i just want to see better performance Aug 23 21:27:23 I can write command-line tools in JavaScript. that does not make the tools web based. Aug 23 21:27:28 indeed Aug 23 21:27:43 i can write a website using perl Aug 23 21:27:45 INDEED Aug 23 21:27:46 therefore, the core intent of webOS is not defined simply by using JavaScript Aug 23 21:27:56 on the server side, sure Aug 23 21:27:59 i see your point Aug 23 21:28:16 I'm not debating whether you should or should not. but your semantics are wrong 8) Aug 23 21:28:23 for those of you still hunting for a Pre 3: http://cgi.ebay.nl/Palm-Pre-GPS-HANDY-8GB-Ohne-Simlock-Smartphone-NEU-/110730182761?pt=DE_Handy_s&hash=item19c8088069 Aug 23 21:28:27 dgarbs, you can write server code which serves UP a web site in perl, the web site itself will have to be in HTML Aug 23 21:28:28 so how does HP (or whoever) increase performance Aug 23 21:28:29 javascript performance? dgarbs have you not heard of google's v8 engine? Aug 23 21:28:39 i have not Aug 23 21:28:42 dgarbs: primarily by improving their webkit performance Aug 23 21:28:43 i'm not a programmer, I'm a sysadmin Aug 23 21:28:47 madnificent: http://cgi.ebay.nl/Palm-Pre-GPS-HANDY-8GB-Ohne-Simlock-Smartphone-NEU-/110730182761?pt=DE_Handy_s&hash=item19c8088069 ;) Aug 23 21:29:14 hi, is there a free twitter app for webOS? Aug 23 21:29:27 yes Aug 23 21:29:31 Raio: have you actually searched for one in the app catalog? Aug 23 21:29:32 spaz! Aug 23 21:29:36 Hmm. I've got a WebView in my card, is there a way to handle links that are in it of a certain type? ie, foo:// links get passed to my app instead of opening in the WebView? Aug 23 21:29:42 you will answer your own question then. Aug 23 21:29:45 PatrickBregman: let me check :) Aug 23 21:29:46 go to the app catalog. Search for twitter. Aug 23 21:29:48 dgarbs: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=v8&lang2=perl look at how much faster javascript is compared to perl for most things Aug 23 21:29:58 I'm not saying perl is awesome Aug 23 21:30:00 it was j ust an example Aug 23 21:30:09 madnificent: it's bidding from E199 Aug 23 21:30:17 plov: that's an apples and oranges comparison first off, and not dgarbs intent, I believe Aug 23 21:30:35 Shadyman: you can with a redirect handler Aug 23 21:30:40 but I'm not gonna do it, so it's all yours if you want madnificent Aug 23 21:30:50 sugardave: Thanks :) I'll get my google-fu working Aug 23 21:30:57 funkatron, yes I looked, download spaz but im not familiar, so I asked for a lil help Aug 23 21:31:10 Raio: it's free, and works with Twitter, so… Aug 23 21:31:11 8) Aug 23 21:31:14 ;) Aug 23 21:31:17 I do hope they fix the webkit implementation then Aug 23 21:31:26 PatrickBregman: me neither, but thanks Aug 23 21:31:28 because as it stands now, it could be a lot better Aug 23 21:31:34 dgarbs: I would agree with that Aug 23 21:32:03 gotta run Aug 23 21:32:06 PatrickBregman: i need to buy it at a price i can afford. i want one because it's a dying make, otherwise i wouldn't buy one... Aug 23 21:32:18 same here Aug 23 21:32:48 Shadyman: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17287&p=86881&hilit=redirects#p86881 Aug 23 21:33:45 ooo Aug 23 21:33:48 pretty Aug 23 21:34:27 can the handleUrlRedirect be added for the regular web app as well? That'd be epic. Aug 23 21:34:57 what do you mean? Aug 23 21:35:07 I think the browser app just uses a webview Aug 23 21:35:29 so you'd have to modify the source for that, but it should work, I guess Aug 23 21:35:37 ew. Aug 23 21:40:32 has anyone here setup the linux webos_internals_PDK? Aug 23 21:40:57 somebody has Aug 23 21:41:06 but not me :D Aug 23 21:42:01 nevermind, the error told me the problem *facepalm* Aug 23 21:42:43 forgot to install virtualbox-ose Aug 23 21:42:53 lolz Aug 23 21:42:59 yeah Aug 23 21:43:13 god, can't wait to compile aquaria... Aug 23 21:43:31 100 percent SDL goodness Aug 23 21:44:09 bah, two days in a row, on hold for 45 minutes each Aug 23 21:44:16 im about to just eat the $40 shipping and deal with it Aug 23 21:44:29 40 dollar shipping Aug 23 21:44:32 outch! Aug 23 21:44:40 ouch indeed. Aug 23 21:44:44 still beats full price Aug 23 21:44:47 yeah Aug 23 21:44:51 thats why im not too upset over it Aug 23 21:45:08 but that $40 could go towards a case or something Aug 23 21:45:27 and now hp is sponsoring the shipping companies ;) Aug 23 21:45:33 I paid out like 130 total for a 99 dollar touchpad Aug 23 21:45:51 but I can't complain Aug 23 21:46:04 i dont want the 16gb Aug 23 21:46:06 i want the 32 Aug 23 21:46:14 i would have paid $130 if i could get it sooner Aug 23 21:46:17 I could only find the 16gb ones Aug 23 21:46:34 I hit the party a little late, at like 5pm central time that day Aug 23 21:47:20 its after 45 minutes i start to wonder if the system is broken and if i should just call back Aug 23 21:47:42 their phone system is probly bombed Aug 23 21:47:47 sugardave: So i'd use an EventListener to catch the onUrlRedirect? Aug 23 21:47:57 Ironsight: Epic bombage Aug 23 21:48:11 I'd hate to work for HP support right now lol Aug 23 21:48:18 Thank you for your purchase of the HP TouchPad. Due to the overwhelming demand Aug 23 21:48:18 for this product as a result of the significant price reduction, we were unable Aug 23 21:48:18 to ship your recent order with our usual promptness. We expect that all units Aug 23 21:48:18 will be shipped by Thursday August 25, 2011 and you will receive delivery of Aug 23 21:48:18 your TouchPad on the appropriate date after that given the shipping option you Aug 23 21:48:20 selected at the time you placed your order. Aug 23 21:48:20 s/support/sales, but yes Aug 23 21:48:27 (HP home order) Aug 23 21:48:40 dwc-: Aka they don't have the 24-hour guarantee or whatever it was Aug 23 21:48:49 Shadyman: don't know Aug 23 21:48:52 I got mine from ebay and he had his stock in house Aug 23 21:48:52 they'd originally said shipping monday Aug 23 21:49:05 monday came and went with no update Aug 23 21:49:16 Shadyman: I think it's onUrlRedirected, but yes Aug 23 21:49:23 though he still hasn't shipped yet, he sold almost 7000 units Aug 23 21:49:24 sugardave: Cool :D Aug 23 21:49:41 ERGH Aug 23 21:49:44 this is a pain Aug 23 21:50:00 Tibfib: TWSS? Aug 23 21:50:00 sugardave: Y U NO GET FLYWEIGHT DOCS? Aug 23 21:50:05 you can't begin to imagine pain unless you knew what I was doing right now Aug 23 21:50:26 sugardave: that sounds really dirty for #webos Aug 23 21:50:33 this hold music is making me really sleepy Aug 23 21:50:54 square: The pr0no sax? Aug 23 21:51:00 sugardave must not have some good news for us Aug 23 21:51:07 nah, this is some generic piano stuff Aug 23 21:51:33 dwc-: nah, I'm slugging it out with somebody else's code...having to outline what's going on on paper Aug 23 21:51:36 * HattCzech_work begins imagining pain... Aug 23 21:51:53 * sugardave is alive and kicking. "Rawr!" Aug 23 21:52:05 OMG A LION! Aug 23 21:52:06 Get in the car! Aug 23 21:52:10 and realizes that what sugardave is doing truly does suck Aug 23 21:52:17 and hurts me to think about Aug 23 21:52:17 indeed Aug 23 21:52:31 Dear coders: Comment, Comment, Comment. Aug 23 21:52:37 And when you're done, Comment MOAR. Aug 23 21:52:38 Kthx. Aug 23 21:54:02 http://pastebin.com/hRQeHzQH <-- getting that now on make setup for webos internals pdk ubuntu (server) Aug 23 21:54:40 no such archive of nova? Aug 23 21:55:32 Ironsight: try #webos-internals Aug 23 21:55:38 thanks Aug 23 21:57:51 comments are for people who think their code isn't perfect the way it is Aug 23 22:00:20 usually my comments are just to confuse other people Aug 23 22:00:24 job security and whatnot Aug 23 22:00:40 bullshit Aug 23 22:00:43 BULLSHIT Aug 23 22:00:56 my code is commentary Aug 23 22:00:56 my 16gb from hp.com 'might' ship thursday Aug 23 22:00:59 i ordered before all this mess Aug 23 22:01:10 my buddy ordered 2hrs after me and his is enroute Aug 23 22:01:35 * dwc- hugs the touchpad he picked up after deciding not to count on hp.com delivering Aug 23 22:05:23 Hello! Aug 23 22:09:30 bingbongboom Aug 23 22:10:30 boom boom pow Aug 23 22:11:08 I have an application that displays images and I want to make it so that when you tap the image/hold the image, it prompts to save it as your Wallpaper. I'm not really finding many resources online and I'm not too familiar with WebOS development. Thanks!!! Aug 23 22:11:49 there is an on-tap response available to any object, and there is a "set image as wallpaper" os call. you need to dig through the documentation. Aug 23 22:11:53 just make a tap handler Aug 23 22:11:57 Are you writing this in Mojo or Enyo? Aug 23 22:12:19 Woot! The TouchPad isn't alone in getting discontinued after less than 2 months :D The HTC Status (Facebook Phone) is getting discontinued: http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/23/att-may-discontinue-slow-selling-htc-status-facebook-phone/ Aug 23 22:12:30 twbbas: but that was a given Aug 23 22:12:37 just like the kin Aug 23 22:12:40 ^ Aug 23 22:12:44 twbbas: lol, but the whole OS isn't getting discontinued Aug 23 22:12:50 neither is webOS Aug 23 22:12:50 neither is webos Aug 23 22:12:50 I'm currently using the online Ares thing. I'm honestly not sure if it's in Mojo or Enyo. Aug 23 22:12:58 facebook phone? so it's a kin by another name? Aug 23 22:13:06 ares is only mojo Aug 23 22:13:09 its a phne w/ a fb button Aug 23 22:13:16 to share photos/videos/statuses Aug 23 22:13:19 htc status Aug 23 22:13:29 Okay, it's in Mojo then, haha. Aug 23 22:13:48 How do I make a taphandler in Ares? Any resources on that Aug 23 22:14:23 should be under one of the panels Aug 23 22:14:43 its the on-tap method in the right hand panel of the object you have your image in. Aug 23 22:14:52 ^^ Aug 23 22:14:56 twbbas: yeah, find me a manufacturer that wants to license webOS Aug 23 22:15:08 Tommy: Any android manufacturer besides motorola Aug 23 22:15:09 as of this very moment, there are zero manufacturers making webOS devices, so it's dead for the time being Aug 23 22:15:13 android has never seen such a lul Aug 23 22:15:14 It's not dead Aug 23 22:15:23 the OS isnt dead Aug 23 22:15:24 HP is investing and developing webOS so the operating system isn't dead Aug 23 22:15:29 twbbas: oh yeah, because obviously they want an OS that doesn't sell, rather than putting on an open source OS that sells like hotcakes Aug 23 22:15:36 Okay, I found that and selected to add it to my source code. How to I prompt for a wallpaper now? Sorry for all the dumb questions. Aug 23 22:15:53 tommy, again.. why are you here then? Aug 23 22:16:03 Tommy: After the Motorola-Google thing, I'm sure Android manufacturers are looking into alternatives as a backup plan Aug 23 22:16:13 dawm|laptop: i like webOS. it doesn't sell. 2 separate statements Aug 23 22:16:14 lol, trying to use logic on a troll Aug 23 22:16:16 it never works Aug 23 22:16:19 oh cool i ran into a OS war with my bud Tommy Aug 23 22:16:22 oh it sels Aug 23 22:16:24 sells Aug 23 22:16:25 so what's the argument? Aug 23 22:16:32 you cannot get one anywhere right now :P Aug 23 22:16:37 ^ Aug 23 22:16:45 WebOS won't sell. Aug 23 22:16:47 dawm|laptop: it's like, i had a sony minidisc player, really awesome idea, a little disk that doesn't scratch and holds as much as a CD, i wish it caught on... Aug 23 22:16:56 It has some critical deficicencies Aug 23 22:17:00 dawm|laptop: it got discontinued, but i still love the idea... i'm not saying, nor have i ever said, that i don't like webOS Aug 23 22:17:02 dawm|laptop: if you can't get one right now, it doesn't sell ;) Aug 23 22:17:10 Tommy, sony killed themselves in the foot with that Aug 23 22:17:12 * oilsworkn looks for minidisc channel to go troll Aug 23 22:17:15 DRM goodness Aug 23 22:17:25 ryaxnb_: i know =( Aug 23 22:17:41 ive got a MD walkman Aug 23 22:17:42 ryaxnb_: but do you see my point? just because it doesn't sell doesn't mean i don't want it, but it does mean i don't think a manufacturer will jump on it Aug 23 22:17:45 somewhere Aug 23 22:18:08 the question is, is WebOS the next MiniDisc, or is it the next Apple? Aug 23 22:18:25 apple is a company/fruit Aug 23 22:18:28 not going to lie. way to many flashing devices on my desk. Aug 23 22:18:41 i can almost see LG trying WebOS, or Sharp Aug 23 22:18:45 ok, so i created meta dr on a ubuntu, copied from linux vm and copied to local windows machine Aug 23 22:19:14 jackjohn: ? Aug 23 22:19:25 dawm i couldnt think of a product that bounced back from the dead offhand Aug 23 22:19:29 ryaxnb_: i sure don't think it's the next apple... but i hope it has more of a future than what we've seen Aug 23 22:19:42 i fired up the meta doctor, on my windows machine and it stalls at 8% Aug 23 22:20:08 i think it's future is realistically down to possibly, being bought by LG, bought by Sony Ericsson, or bought by Apple for the patents Aug 23 22:20:36 * dwc- copies his touchpad metadoctor to his phone Aug 23 22:21:01 licensing is not really an option... HP doesnt appear to be interested in continuing webOS development at a high rate of speed, and to boot, HP shot itself in the foor with their heavy-handed anouncement style, which basically indicates they're giving up on webOS Aug 23 22:21:05 ryaxnb_: i think LG is a good suitor Aug 23 22:21:14 LG is the best choice Aug 23 22:21:18 SE is just getting their android scene together, they don't want to bounce around too much, or i don't think so Aug 23 22:21:32 LG has had no major success with android to speak of, going to webOS wouldn't be a giant sacrifice Aug 23 22:21:39 anyone have any ideas what i might have missed to get to webos 2.1 when it stalls at 8% Aug 23 22:21:40 LG would also have a use for the patents, as well Aug 23 22:22:04 to defend itself against MS and Apple attacks on LG phones Aug 23 22:22:07 ryaxnb_: i wish google would buy webOS Aug 23 22:22:13 for the patents? Aug 23 22:22:16 use the patents, open source the OS, game set match. Aug 23 22:22:22 there's nothing they could use with the OS Aug 23 22:22:26 they already have an OS Aug 23 22:22:37 jack keep trying make sure novacom installed and devmode on Aug 23 22:22:41 buy it to kill it Aug 23 22:22:42 im sure if google was intersted HP would sell them the patents by themselves Aug 23 22:22:42 they could integrate the cards UI if they wanted with no patent issues, oh wait, blackberry did that already Aug 23 22:23:01 yeah, but google could also kill a potential competitor by buying webOS Aug 23 22:23:05 with, of course, hp and any webos device user having a perpetual license to them Aug 23 22:23:18 once you purchase/open source it, you could integrate google services in the same way as android Aug 23 22:23:35 but Android is already good Aug 23 22:23:41 maintaining two OSes is nonsense Aug 23 22:23:41 yeah that's not the point Aug 23 22:23:48 they don't have to maintain anything Aug 23 22:23:55 if google was to buy it they'd have to kill it Aug 23 22:24:01 just bury it. Aug 23 22:24:08 require a gmail account instead of a palm account, open source it, and say "okay community, have at it." Aug 23 22:24:28 if they did open source it, release it all under GPL so the commercial devs couldn't be interested. Aug 23 22:24:33 they can't have it compete with Android. Aug 23 22:24:34 it won't happen, i know this, it'd be way too scattered from where they have android and everything is integrated Aug 23 22:24:43 it's going to compete with android whether google has it or not Aug 23 22:25:06 odds are if google doesn't have it HP sells the patents to make up the $1.2 billion and ditches the OS Aug 23 22:25:16 so no, it is not assured it will compete with google. Aug 23 22:25:47 i think HP is looking to sell it or license it Aug 23 22:25:49 since it's fairly certain the HP patents are worth about $2 billion at least Aug 23 22:25:58 which would more or less cover HP's sunk cost in WebOS Aug 23 22:26:27 HP is looking too, but LG being interested i'd put at a low chance Aug 23 22:26:29 i'm so tired Aug 23 22:26:35 and no one else, i think, would be interested Aug 23 22:26:43 got 2 hours of sleep in an airport terminal 2 nights ago, last night got 2 hours of sleep on a plane Aug 23 22:27:00 HTC has record profits, Samsung has Bada OS, Sony Ericsson is starting out, and ... no one else Aug 23 22:27:18 i sleep at the airport terminal thursday thru sunday :P Aug 23 22:27:24 yeah if not for Bada i think samsung would buy webOS Aug 23 22:27:34 samsung has three OSes at the momnet Aug 23 22:27:36 but with their own OS they're not gonna just bail on it for something else Aug 23 22:27:39 put webOS on sammy TV's Aug 23 22:27:42 ryaxnb_: 3? Aug 23 22:27:43 Bada, Windows Phone 7.5, and Android 2.x Aug 23 22:27:53 meh, windows phone 7 is all done by MSFT Aug 23 22:28:03 samsung doesn't handle the software side of that Aug 23 22:28:03 well android is all done by google (though open) Aug 23 22:28:10 ryaxnb_: not true Aug 23 22:28:23 google experience devices, with a vanilla OS, is done by google Aug 23 22:28:38 samsung touchwiz is created by samsung, android is built from the source code by samsung, they worked hard on that Aug 23 22:28:49 i mean, im sure if samsung did something crazy like say "ok MS we'll convert all of our devices to Windows Phone, no give us some propietary access rights to the OS" MS would be all like "have at it" Aug 23 22:28:57 but wp7, because it can't be customized, is all done by msft Aug 23 22:29:01 vanilla android isn't as good Aug 23 22:29:09 ryaxnb_: nokia-esque Aug 23 22:29:13 right. Aug 23 22:29:14 HTC sense is awesome though Aug 23 22:29:23 vanilla android > * Aug 23 22:30:29 Hey guys Aug 23 22:30:30 TouchWiz is nice when it works Aug 23 22:30:39 Quick question Aug 23 22:30:40 re Aug 23 22:30:44 mh Aug 23 22:30:49 I know this is kind of for webos-internals Aug 23 22:30:50 di Aug 23 22:30:52 i just don't need anything else clogging up my phone, android is customizable enough as it is Aug 23 22:30:53 htc sense isn't just a skin Aug 23 22:30:56 but no one is responding Aug 23 22:30:57 is there any way to make a webOS doctor flashable folder from a device? Aug 23 22:31:00 if i want to add things, i'll add some and exclude others, i don't like it packaged Aug 23 22:31:11 so a low level partition backup Aug 23 22:31:43 Tommy, i do love some of samsung's custom stuff that would be very hard to do; hw accel UI, hw accel video playback; a nice music player Aug 23 22:31:48 and a good camera app Aug 23 22:32:03 those integrate with the hardware, and as such would be difficult to duplicate Aug 23 22:32:24 understood Aug 23 22:32:37 i prefer vanilla but i see why people like the alternative options Aug 23 22:33:09 BestBuy is shipping my TP... Aug 23 22:33:20 k Aug 23 22:33:22 * NuttyBunny smiles Aug 23 22:33:26 nobody's shippin mines :( Aug 23 22:33:31 samsung has their phones built for multimedia; the Video Player is a Samsung-only app, there's the Samsung Music Player with EQ and the Samsung File Manager Aug 23 22:33:34 haven't heard from HP yet Aug 23 22:33:46 nooooooooooooooooooooo sprint is goin gto carry the ifone Aug 23 22:33:49 haeffb: i got an email saying thursday maybe Aug 23 22:33:52 this means unlimited data plans are going to disappear Aug 23 22:33:54 which is bs Aug 23 22:33:54 D 8 Aug 23 22:33:59 why? Aug 23 22:34:00 really? Aug 23 22:34:04 i ordered friday night before the 'storm' Aug 23 22:34:08 do android users not use as much data as iPhone users? Aug 23 22:34:12 i was unaware of that. Aug 23 22:34:25 ifone users can't live with out their tv /netflix/movies Aug 23 22:34:29 it's goign to drain all the bandwidth Aug 23 22:34:32 shades: since when Aug 23 22:34:35 and sprint will be all, "no more for you!" Aug 23 22:34:44 dunno, must have been recent, just saw it on the news Aug 23 22:34:51 shades, but android also has tv/netflix/movies Aug 23 22:35:22 NuttyBunny: still looking for a supplier? Aug 23 22:35:23 android is a drain but it' snot nearly going to be as much of a drain as android AND ifail users Aug 23 22:35:42 hehe Aug 23 22:35:44 droid users use less data because they have to stop to charge their phone Aug 23 22:35:50 ROFL Aug 23 22:36:01 dawm|laptop wins 1 internet Aug 23 22:36:02 * haeffb will probably go with iPhone over Android. Aug 23 22:36:05 least sprint got unlimited data! Aug 23 22:36:13 dawm|laptop: actually no, they can swap out their abtteries Aug 23 22:36:18 ifail's can't Aug 23 22:36:20 yes they can Aug 23 22:36:25 but thats down time Aug 23 22:36:46 * haeffb will plug my iPhone into the charger when the battery gets low Aug 23 22:37:12 android >>> iphone Aug 23 22:37:21 haeffb: Waiting for shipping confirmation, if it doesn't go through, I'll might take one ;) Aug 23 22:37:29 i can't beleive people actually use and tollerate softkeyboards Aug 23 22:37:32 they suck so much Aug 23 22:37:45 hey, most phones with hard keyboards suck Aug 23 22:37:54 NuttyBunny: I'm still waiting to hear on two from HP Aug 23 22:37:54 shades: gbkb = win Aug 23 22:37:59 looking at you BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, and Symbian devices Aug 23 22:37:59 shades: what phone do you have Aug 23 22:38:03 wtf is gbkb Aug 23 22:38:04 pre Aug 23 22:38:07 gingerbread keyboard Aug 23 22:38:08 gkbk Aug 23 22:38:17 is that a softkeyboard? Aug 23 22:38:19 if it is, it sucks. Aug 23 22:38:19 shades: lmfao, the pre keyboard is absolutely the worst i've ever typed on Aug 23 22:38:20 yes Aug 23 22:38:20 prior to 4am central time Aug 23 22:38:23 you cannot use a screen kb without looking Aug 23 22:38:24 that was the cutoff Aug 23 22:38:36 dawm|laptop: that's right, and that makes it shitty to use Aug 23 22:38:42 yup Aug 23 22:38:43 when i played around with a pre plus, i liked it, i like the OS, like the phone... the keyboard was unusable Aug 23 22:39:00 and there's no option for an on screen keyboard, i'd rather have that than the pre's horrifyingly small and cramped keypad Aug 23 22:39:01 pre 3 has a better keyboard Aug 23 22:39:20 ryaxnb_: haven't tried it, but shades doesn't have a pre 3 Aug 23 22:39:21 Tommy: were you trying to touchtype? Aug 23 22:39:30 haeffb: touchtype? Aug 23 22:39:34 Tommy: i have no problem with my nimble dexterous fingers Aug 23 22:39:43 shades: that's what she said. Aug 23 22:39:45 i don't regret playing guitar nor violin 8 ) Aug 23 22:39:56 it's perfectly usable for me Aug 23 22:40:00 which is what ultimately matters Aug 23 22:40:06 someone actually has a pre 3 Aug 23 22:40:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTrvqU6HlY4 Aug 23 22:40:08 real easy to touchtype Aug 23 22:40:14 shades: same for me with a virtual keyboard Aug 23 22:40:23 practically just need to roll my thumbs back and forth Aug 23 22:40:28 Tommy: except you need to look at the screen Aug 23 22:40:35 Tommy: i.e. fit all 10 fingers on the Pre keyboard Aug 23 22:40:39 shades: no i don't Aug 23 22:40:46 i highly doubt that Aug 23 22:40:47 haeffb: lmfao, not a chance in hell Aug 23 22:40:59 shades: text prediction on the gingerbread keyboard is 1337 Aug 23 22:41:11 if every letter you type is 1 to the right of what you intended it'll still get it Aug 23 22:41:21 so i just blindly type and it picks it up Aug 23 22:41:44 if you want a pre 2, they're ridicoulousy cheap. Aug 23 22:41:44 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-16GB-PALM-PRE-2-QWERTY-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-GSM-OEM-NEW-/300546618360?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item45f9f973f8 Aug 23 22:41:45 i don't know how accurate that will be in practice for me Aug 23 22:41:49 and only gonna get cheaper Aug 23 22:42:06 I'm not going to want to cut my words per minute in half from 40 to 20 because of a soft keyboard Aug 23 22:42:09 shades: well, i used to have the attitude that i wouldn't get any phone that didn't have a hardware keyboard Aug 23 22:42:13 ryaxnb_: they're $49 on HP's website Aug 23 22:42:19 then my hand was kinda forced because mfr's are making less and less Aug 23 22:42:22 ryaxnb_: mine was free, cant get any cheaper than that :P Aug 23 22:42:31 haeffb: with contract maybe Aug 23 22:42:33 Tommy: I've tried typing on capactive screens, and they just suck dick Aug 23 22:42:35 dawm|laptop: ^^^ Aug 23 22:42:36 tomhut: no Aug 23 22:42:39 Tommy: no Aug 23 22:42:43 doesn't register my finger presses correctly Aug 23 22:42:49 they're "sold out" Aug 23 22:42:50 shades: *shrug* Aug 23 22:42:53 but w/o contract Aug 23 22:42:56 hm Aug 23 22:42:58 ok i know how to end this Aug 23 22:43:05 i'd take a pre 2 for $50 Aug 23 22:43:06 you dont need special gloves to use a hard keyboard Aug 23 22:43:17 manufactures need to stop making less and less hardware keyboards Aug 23 22:43:18 dawm|laptop: you don't need any gloves to use a capacitive one Aug 23 22:43:19 that's where it's at Aug 23 22:43:29 you can't use gloves with a capactive one Aug 23 22:43:29 shades: i know man :( Aug 23 22:43:35 you can with a hardware keyboard Aug 23 22:43:36 i'd still PREFER a hardware keyboard Aug 23 22:43:45 shades: oh yeah, that's a huge problem for me, i use gloves all the time Aug 23 22:43:50 oh wait, i don't own a pair of gloves Aug 23 22:43:52 isotoners came out with special gloves for touch devices Aug 23 22:44:01 dawm|laptop: 'special' gloves Aug 23 22:44:03 tiny bit of material that conducts in the tips Aug 23 22:44:09 I shouldn't need to buy a 99$ pair of gloves Aug 23 22:44:14 when a 2$ pair works fine Aug 23 22:44:16 dawm|laptop: or you could take some steel thread and just thread a little in each fingertip of a regular glove:D Aug 23 22:44:20 sugardave: is there any other way to catch the onUrlRedirected besides an addEventListener? Aug 23 22:44:20 therefore hard kb wins Aug 23 22:44:24 HP phones: http://www.shopping.hp.com/can/handheld/iPAQ/1/storefronts?jumpid=hpr_R1002_USEN Aug 23 22:45:56 after the announcement from thursday, did any of you expect smth like this (firesale, tons of new users/developers)? Aug 23 22:46:05 to be honest, myself not. Aug 23 22:46:10 haeffb: is that off contract? Aug 23 22:46:11 i did Aug 23 22:46:12 O.o Aug 23 22:46:21 idiots will buy anything if they here its selling out Aug 23 22:46:28 hear Aug 23 22:46:35 DanielC|Mac: who knows, you can't buy one Aug 23 22:46:40 wtf.. seriously i swear my brain has ios autocomplete turned on today Aug 23 22:46:41 lol. Aug 23 22:46:45 Shadyman: when you declare the webview kind, you make it a property: {kind: enyo.WebView, onUrlRedirected: "theHandler", ...} Aug 23 22:46:45 dawm|laptop: i mean the first announcement, where the firesale wasn't announced yet Aug 23 22:46:53 Aha. Aug 23 22:46:56 ios auto complete blows Aug 23 22:46:58 i wasnt expecting it Aug 23 22:46:59 can you even turn it off? Aug 23 22:47:01 probably not Aug 23 22:47:04 shades: TRUE THAT. Aug 23 22:47:04 but i also wasnt surprised Aug 23 22:47:04 sugardave: I knew it had to be something simple like that :) Thanks Aug 23 22:47:08 with out rooting it or whatever Aug 23 22:47:09 damnyouautocorrect.com Aug 23 22:47:10 specially after the 'within weeks' Aug 23 22:47:11 or anywhere you can say this.$.webview.onUrlRedirected = "anotherHandler"; Aug 23 22:47:13 shades: check out that site Aug 23 22:47:16 before you .call() it Aug 23 22:47:18 that turned into months, and then not at all Aug 23 22:47:26 i'm strapped for bandwidth atm Aug 23 22:47:40 im glad i flew for free to sfo for that feb9th thing.. id be pissed if i spent money Aug 23 22:47:41 hmm... That could be useful. Aug 23 22:47:53 That site is what happens with a software keyboard Aug 23 22:47:56 1993 internet out in this forsaken part of the planet Aug 23 22:47:59 was so pumped after that Aug 23 22:48:03 then disappointment Aug 23 22:48:06 i finally got through to HP Aug 23 22:48:08 DanielC|Mac: an unlocked Pre2 would have to be without contract, wouldn't it? Aug 23 22:48:22 shades: where you at homie? Aug 23 22:48:23 haeffb: yes i would assume so sir Aug 23 22:48:35 iraq Aug 23 22:48:36 is it worth it to buy one of those phones? Aug 23 22:48:45 DanielC|Mac: They're all out of stock :x Aug 23 22:48:49 pre2 is the best you can get Aug 23 22:48:51 forever? Aug 23 22:48:53 stateside Aug 23 22:48:54 or for now Aug 23 22:49:01 as of right now, forever Aug 23 22:49:05 no extra stock hidden in a ditch? lol Aug 23 22:49:31 when i switched from my pre- to pre2 it was sooo much better Aug 23 22:49:35 * haeffb hits F5 on hp.com every 5 seconds forever Aug 23 22:49:36 I paid $200 for my pre2 off craigslist last month Aug 23 22:49:36 i would like to see webOS on a samsung device Aug 23 22:49:50 if you ordered a touchpad and were charged shipping, they will credit it back to you after it ships Aug 23 22:49:51 mine was a free dev phone Aug 23 22:49:53 you won't Aug 23 22:49:54 says the guy at HP Aug 23 22:49:58 webos is going into a patent blackhole Aug 23 22:50:02 dawm|laptop: if the original Pre- had been the Pre2, Palm would still be in business Aug 23 22:50:04 lucky lol Aug 23 22:50:08 nobody will see it, it will not see the light of day Aug 23 22:50:09 haeffb: DanielC|Mac why would you ever assume that? Aug 23 22:50:10 haeffb: yes Aug 23 22:50:22 you buy a nexus one, nexus S, you can get them with contract but every one is unlocked Aug 23 22:50:23 and if sprint picked up more than just the pre- Aug 23 22:50:23 Tommy: uh whoa re you talking to Aug 23 22:50:25 that might have helped too Aug 23 22:50:26 newegg sells unlocked pixis for $49 (cmda) and $99 (gsm) Aug 23 22:50:41 meh, pixie Aug 23 22:50:42 pixis eww Aug 23 22:50:45 i'll get a pre or pre2 not a pixi Aug 23 22:50:49 dawm|laptop: I was told the Pre2 was ready in early 2010 Aug 23 22:50:53 alot of people left sprint because of the plus/pre2 Aug 23 22:51:03 if they'd have gotten it on Sprint (or other carrier) then... Aug 23 22:51:05 http://www.hpwebos.com/ca/products/phones/pre2/index.html Aug 23 22:51:05 and pre3 Aug 23 22:51:09 dawm|laptop: how do they determine that? Aug 23 22:51:11 DanielC|Mac: you and haeffb Aug 23 22:51:13 "buy now" brings you to a sadface at rogers :( Aug 23 22:51:19 shades: word of mouth Aug 23 22:51:24 twitter,fb,forums Aug 23 22:51:29 "unlocked" != without contract Aug 23 22:51:46 i never left because im not willing to pay a lot more for a comparable service plan ;p Aug 23 22:51:54 yeah seriously Aug 23 22:51:56 $40/m for pretty much unlimited everything.. Aug 23 22:52:04 everyones like, "oh i can't live with out an ifone" <=== fuck them Aug 23 22:52:10 that's the worst fone out there Aug 23 22:52:16 opinions Aug 23 22:52:17 Tommy: I assume because it doesn't mention a carrier like the others. Also because both of the Pre2's that I own came without contracts. Aug 23 22:52:22 they reap everyones bandwidth Aug 23 22:52:32 my pre2 was at&t Aug 23 22:52:36 bbl, almost time to board the plane Aug 23 22:52:36 and was activated Aug 23 22:52:46 sprintified it just fine Aug 23 22:53:02 and it's academic until/unless they actually have some to sell at that price Aug 23 22:53:24 dawm|laptop: of course, once you replaced the radio... :) Aug 23 22:53:44 :) Aug 23 22:53:55 * oilsworkn wants pre3 Aug 23 22:53:57 * haeffb will choose iPhone over android. Aug 23 22:54:18 if it's really "all about the apps" Aug 23 22:54:22 you're retarded Aug 23 22:54:26 according to the forums i think we'll have to wait some few weeks until an announcement... Aug 23 22:54:51 Been using the bluetooth keyboard tonight, very nice! If only the cursor keys would flip cards.... patch.... Aug 23 22:54:53 * oilsworkn has been a palm fan long enough, knows how to wait Aug 23 22:55:11 gokr: yeah, especially since it has the "cards" button Aug 23 22:55:12 dawm|laptop: the thursday was hard, got mails from friends if i need a mac or iphone for developing iOS Aug 23 22:55:18 * haeffb has been eligible for Sprint upgrade since October of 2010. Aug 23 22:55:20 oilsworkn: Yup. Aug 23 22:55:54 and the friday... uh. i was respsonsible in my company to rate enyo technical. Aug 23 22:56:03 we have now a 5 person team on webOS Aug 23 22:56:15 why do capactive touchscreens force you to hold down on the screen for your finger to register being pressed? Aug 23 22:56:18 Hehe, got the TP today for about 85 and bought a touchstone with it for 69. That felt kinda... odd. Aug 23 22:56:21 and i evangelised webOS 2 years... :) Aug 23 22:56:41 gok i want, cut me a slice Aug 23 22:56:47 gokr: wirc-enyo supports ctrl+up/down to switch channels :) Aug 23 22:56:59 leiru: 5? Cool. What company/app is that? Aug 23 22:57:22 oilsworkn: Oh, neat. Aug 23 22:57:31 Haven't gotten Preware on it yet. Aug 23 22:57:41 d'awww Aug 23 22:57:59 it's a german mobile company, but i'll leave them. they are horrible in paying and with knowledge/skills Aug 23 22:58:11 agency Aug 23 22:58:18 Btw, was kinda funny, I went around all the stores in the retail park and it was totally empty in Argos, Currys, PCWorld etc. Currys even had a sign on the front door saing "TOUCHPAD SOLD OUT", they didn't even want people to come in! Aug 23 22:58:29 lol Aug 23 22:58:42 it should say "we have touchpads" then try to sell them something else Aug 23 22:58:52 oilsworkn: you genius1 Aug 23 22:59:01 haeffb, Sprint upgrade? Aug 23 22:59:07 1 = ! Aug 23 22:59:11 so you're gonna get the Motorola Photon 4G? Aug 23 22:59:21 iPhone 5, baby! Aug 23 22:59:24 NO Aug 23 22:59:31 YES!!! Aug 23 22:59:34 NO Aug 23 22:59:36 leiru: What apps have you done? Or are working at? Aug 23 22:59:40 YESSSS!!!!!! Aug 23 22:59:40 * ryaxnb_ hates iPhone Aug 23 22:59:43 APPS!!!!! Aug 23 22:59:50 * haeffb WANTS APPS!!!!!! Aug 23 22:59:50 apps are on android too Aug 23 22:59:54 i talked to a guy at hp sales today and he said they prolly won't get more phones just touchpads soon Aug 23 22:59:55 * oilsworkn drives to haeffbs house and bashes him over the head with his only remaining webosnyc cup Aug 23 22:59:55 meh. Aug 23 23:00:04 all the cool apps are on iOS Aug 23 23:00:11 and android Aug 23 23:00:13 except wIRC Aug 23 23:00:16 haha Aug 23 23:00:20 and NomNomNom Aug 23 23:00:31 no wirc means their store sucks Aug 23 23:00:40 lol Aug 23 23:00:49 haeffb: start developing a real cool one. Aug 23 23:01:00 oilsworkn: that's actually a common enough tactic for retailers that they were banned from doing it in the UK - putting adverts in the paper for incredible deals, of which only one item was ever in stock. Aug 23 23:01:04 hey, I made it onto the news! Aug 23 23:01:12 * gokr gonna try watching an mp4 movie on the pad now... Aug 23 23:01:15 as a way to drag people in and say "sorry, but we have this other one for £200 more" Aug 23 23:01:25 directhex: yeah, they still do that in the us i think Aug 23 23:01:32 $100 laptops, well, they only had 2 Aug 23 23:01:37 s/onto/into/ Aug 23 23:01:40 gokr: media apps just written for the german market. Aug 23 23:01:44 oilsworkn: with a first ammendment right to lie, they do what they like in the US Aug 23 23:02:04 newspaper foo / magazines => media Aug 23 23:02:50 * haeffb is pretty sure the first amendment doesn't mention lying... Aug 23 23:02:58 http://www.heartlandconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=654979#.TlQv7PRCLti Aug 23 23:03:01 cool apps? name one don't say fart Aug 23 23:03:29 Bajan: I don't know. I DON'T HAVE AN iPHONE YET! Aug 23 23:03:39 but apps is the reason webOS failed, so... Aug 23 23:04:06 * oilsworkn bets haeffb's first app download will be some sports news related app Aug 23 23:04:10 ...it stands to reason that the iPhone must have the cool apps. Aug 23 23:04:12 you are listening to the general BS people like t say over and over Aug 23 23:04:18 haeffb: it was ruled to be free speech in 2003 Aug 23 23:05:13 haeffb, i have an iphone Aug 23 23:05:16 and a android Aug 23 23:05:28 i am uniquely able to judge their relative worth, not just a fanboy Aug 23 23:05:49 ok so i made sure in developer mode and reinstalled nova com and it still fails at 8% Aug 23 23:05:50 granted, the iphone is my mom's, but she lets me play with it whenever she's home, and she lives here. Aug 23 23:06:02 so that's fairly often. Aug 23 23:06:19 and which do you prefer? Aug 23 23:06:23 iPhone has good apps but android has more free apps Aug 23 23:06:23 she prolly cooks and cleans for you too Aug 23 23:06:28 i already said i prefer Android too Aug 23 23:06:32 Bajan, yes, i'm 17 :) Aug 23 23:06:42 i'm still a little kid :-/ Aug 23 23:06:44 awwwe pobrecito Aug 23 23:06:51 * haeffb doesn't mind paying for apps, if they're useful. Aug 23 23:06:53 haeffb: i think it's not apps, but bad marketing. so no users and less less developers that are caring. result => less apps Aug 23 23:07:21 be patient grasshopper our devs are working on it Aug 23 23:07:28 haeffb, the other thing i like about android apps is the plugins, for instance the ones that provide video playback or music playback for the rest of the system Aug 23 23:07:35 replacing the default video/music players. Aug 23 23:07:50 or the alternative browsers that actually become the system's default browser, like Opera Mobile Aug 23 23:08:08 in most countries, phones only end up in pockets if the networks back those devices with subsidized contracts, and the networks do NOT like giving end-users choice, because it increases their support costs to need to support multiple ecosystems Aug 23 23:08:31 those apps are often more capable and power-user-oriented than the default OEM inclusions for their category, and also you can set apps to be the default for categories not in existence as OEM apps Aug 23 23:08:44 for instance, default picture-sharing app (say Flickr, FaceBook) Aug 23 23:08:50 when I used windows mobile, I spent more time customizing, installing custom roms, etc than I did actually, you know, using the phone. Android seems similar in that regard. Aug 23 23:08:59 haeffb: same Aug 23 23:09:16 i see no need to install custom ROM, just download lots of fun apps and if you want to get technical, install a APK or two Aug 23 23:09:16 had to reflash it every 6months as well so that it would run decently Aug 23 23:09:22 apps is a small part of the issue. people don't use ios because of the apps, they use ios because the salesman tells them they want the apps Aug 23 23:09:23 my mogul died the day i got my pre :) Aug 23 23:09:24 webOS, I just, kinda, used the phone. Aug 23 23:09:35 i see no real reason to do any of that with android Aug 23 23:09:53 ryaxnb_: because it's there. I just can't help myself. Aug 23 23:09:57 the system is good enough on it's own there's no need to constantly flash roms to correct the problems :) Aug 23 23:10:03 unlike Windows Mobile which was pure crap Aug 23 23:10:22 just stick with default, and you'll be happy if you chose a non-crap vendor Aug 23 23:10:46 and all the apps are through the Market. Aug 23 23:10:50 * haeffb should go buy an old android device off-contract for sprint. What would be cheap? Aug 23 23:10:59 there is sideloading and a file manager, but why bother. Aug 23 23:11:19 that's mostly used for video files, and emulators; the Market has 95% of the apps you want. Aug 23 23:11:47 haeffb, what you should do is try to play with an android device Aug 23 23:11:57 get a friend's android, or go to a sprint store Aug 23 23:12:08 ryaxnb_: i see the need for custom roms / flashing if manufactors doesn't support the newest android version any more, what's happening often Aug 23 23:12:10 sprint is nice about letting you stand and use the phones for rather long periods of times. Aug 23 23:12:32 they have no choice Aug 23 23:12:34 i did that before i got my phone Aug 23 23:12:38 the wait time is like the DMV Aug 23 23:13:13 ryaxnb_: as far as i remember, just the newest models get updates Aug 23 23:13:29 the preloaded phones, i often find i can enter a google account, and can suddenly install apps and use it like it was my own phone Aug 23 23:13:35 not really very locked down. Aug 23 23:13:42 ryaxnb_: I have played with the Epic and the Evo and the Evo Shift Aug 23 23:13:44 on the other hand, pre- has gotten no 2.1 too.. Aug 23 23:13:49 the Evo is nice Aug 23 23:13:56 the Epic is nice too Aug 23 23:14:21 I don't care about the phone as much as the OS. And I'd need to really use it to know whether it suits me or not. Aug 23 23:14:29 how about this HTC Hero ? Aug 23 23:14:40 that's old and slow, but not a bad phone to try Aug 23 23:14:50 of course, many newer android apps dont work with it, because it's slow Aug 23 23:14:53 i like puppies and can dress myself Aug 23 23:15:08 just assume any slowness or incompatibillities you run into wit the hero are because it's old. Aug 23 23:15:21 it's a nice phone otherwise, has a very good set of capabilities. Aug 23 23:16:12 heh Aug 23 23:16:19 i know so many people that got the hero just because it had flash Aug 23 23:16:23 then hated it 3 months later Aug 23 23:16:35 one buddy smashed it against a wall Aug 23 23:16:37 mondo DB is web scale Aug 23 23:17:06 also remember that more modern android phones can do a bit more, for instance, play 480P AVI files, play Flash very well, output to TVs via HDMI Aug 23 23:17:08 etc. Aug 23 23:17:31 i better go, I don't have any old hardware to talk about. Aug 23 23:17:32 btw is there any homebrew around like the profiler-app on android my friend uses, e.g. "i got connected to my works wlan, so make phonecalls silent" Aug 23 23:17:39 $230 for an Epic... Aug 23 23:17:43 refurbished Aug 23 23:18:03 that would be a great deal Aug 23 23:18:07 the Epic is a fantastic phone Aug 23 23:18:20 it's not quite as modern as a dual core phone, but real super nice Aug 23 23:18:24 I'd rather have a hard keyboard, though Aug 23 23:18:39 or: "connected to my houses wlan, turn up volume for phone rings" Aug 23 23:19:13 the epic has a hard key Aug 23 23:19:17 it's a very nice phone Aug 23 23:19:20 HMMMMMMM Aug 23 23:19:22 i highly recommend it. Aug 23 23:19:29 * Tibfib is trying to improve nomnomnom performance Aug 23 23:19:44 no matter what I do, the rendering of new articles is LAGGGY Aug 23 23:19:44 fast and has built in software that makes it the absolute best Video & Music android phone Aug 23 23:20:13 for instance it can play 720p MKV files, 480p AVI, FLAC, and has an EQ and can play Netflix Aug 23 23:20:18 Tibfib: did you try -webkit-transform hacks with 0 values? Aug 23 23:20:23 plus a stunning screen. Aug 23 23:20:33 leiru: oh? Aug 23 23:20:37 and the music player is really nice. Aug 23 23:20:51 it also has a version of winamp, and a version of Mplayer is available. Aug 23 23:20:53 leiru: got any links to explain this? Aug 23 23:21:03 the web browsing is smooth too. Aug 23 23:22:22 errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Aug 23 23:22:49 Tibfib: it's a hack to turn on HW acceleration, you make a transform with (0,0) which doesnt do anything. it triggers the acceleration in webkit. it works on enyo too, i have a tweet from singmajesty Aug 23 23:23:14 oh it was germboy Aug 23 23:23:16 https://twitter.com/#!/germboy/status/88378771069087744 Aug 23 23:23:59 leiru: so style:"translate3d(0, 0)" Aug 23 23:24:00 ? Aug 23 23:24:06 if I could find that receipt from Sam's Club, I'd have an extra $450 to spend... Aug 23 23:24:18 * haeffb starts looking. Aug 23 23:25:57 remember, haeffb, that android has a massive amount of apps - 10x web os amount Aug 23 23:26:06 Tibfib: My app still hasn't been reviewed and it was submitted 6 hrs after you :( Aug 23 23:26:11 penis Aug 23 23:26:11 miniscule compared to my beloved iOS Aug 23 23:26:29 twbbas: :( Aug 23 23:26:44 well...soon-to-be-beloved, anyhow Aug 23 23:26:54 50 fart apps? Aug 23 23:27:01 haeffb: ah, sprint iPhone then? Aug 23 23:27:48 Tibfib: would try translate3d(0,0,0) Aug 23 23:28:17 you know, I think that helped Aug 23 23:28:36 yo funkatron, we can cheat to improve spaz performance Aug 23 23:28:40 leiru: THANKS! Aug 23 23:28:44 no prob Aug 23 23:29:01 funkatron: https://twitter.com/#!/germboy/status/88378771069087744 Aug 23 23:29:49 could be placebo, but seems to be helping in nomnomnom Aug 23 23:29:53 Tibfib: first off, it makes me sad that you have to trick it into happening Aug 23 23:29:59 secondly, DO IT Aug 23 23:30:02 +1 Aug 23 23:30:23 sweeet Aug 23 23:30:51 nomnomnom Aug 23 23:31:08 Tibfib: would love to see an example of how you apply it, exactly Aug 23 23:31:18 funkatron: me too Aug 23 23:31:24 I'm just adding it to random kinds >.< Aug 23 23:31:29 what Aug 23 23:31:35 haeffb, not miniscule at all Aug 23 23:31:46 style='transform3d(0, 0, 0)' Aug 23 23:32:51 http://www.androlib.com/gd/stats/newappsbydaycumul.aspx Aug 23 23:33:11 that claims 400000+ apps Aug 23 23:33:22 FOUND IT!!!! Aug 23 23:33:25 increasing at a exponential growth rate Aug 23 23:33:25 that's over 9000 Aug 23 23:33:27 woohoo! Aug 23 23:33:29 Tibfib: yes Aug 23 23:33:37 haeffb: slick Aug 23 23:33:54 just look at that, haeffb Aug 23 23:33:58 answer your app claims? Aug 23 23:34:40 I think I'll buy an iPhone on contract on AT&T Aug 23 23:34:41 ryaxnb_: yeah but does it have facetime? Aug 23 23:34:45 get a free WP7 for dev Aug 23 23:34:48 and have my pre2 Aug 23 23:34:50 this compares to 500,000 apps for IOS Aug 23 23:34:57 it has Skype Video Chat! Aug 23 23:35:05 400,000 GOD AWFUL TERRIBLY UGLY MALWARE INFESTED APPS Aug 23 23:35:09 lies Aug 23 23:35:14 facetime is all over the TV commercials. It must be better. Aug 23 23:35:15 okay okay Aug 23 23:35:19 lol Aug 23 23:35:22 399,900 GOD AWFUL TERRIBLY UGLY MALWARE INFESTED APPS Aug 23 23:35:28 ryaxnb_: most of them are hello world apps, as there are now reviews Aug 23 23:35:28 400,000 powerful, flexible, customizable apps Aug 23 23:35:40 100 powerful, flexible, customizable apps Aug 23 23:35:40 there are hello world apps on iOS too Aug 23 23:35:45 * haeffb might believe 50 Aug 23 23:35:45 lies Aug 23 23:35:51 or 100 as Tibfib claims Aug 23 23:35:51 haeffb, shaddup Aug 23 23:35:56 haeffb: :hfive: Aug 23 23:35:57 now you're trolling me Aug 23 23:36:06 ryaxnb_: true. Aug 23 23:36:09 sorry. Aug 23 23:36:20 I've been waiting for years to be able to troll an Android user. Aug 23 23:36:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AppleAppStoreStatistics.png Aug 23 23:36:35 none have wandered in here until today. Aug 23 23:36:54 the app store is increasing exponentially also, but not at quite the rate of the Android Market Aug 23 23:38:03 * haeffb bets the exponential increase is not sustainable Aug 23 23:38:17 noooooo shit Aug 23 23:38:31 * haeffb took calculus in college Aug 23 23:38:36 watch out haeffb, you've unleashed the funkatron Aug 23 23:38:44 the Palm OS app catalog has 4000 apps Aug 23 23:38:52 so android has 100x the apps of WebOS Aug 23 23:38:56 I need help with this code it's not running correctly here's a link to it: http://codetidy.com/1066/ i'm trying to get it to save the image as a wallpaper Aug 23 23:38:57 Palm OS? Aug 23 23:38:58 lol Aug 23 23:39:01 er, webos Aug 23 23:39:07 you just lost all credibility ;) Aug 23 23:39:09 sorry, not palm os Aug 23 23:39:12 i miss palm os Aug 23 23:39:14 * funkatron supports graffiti Aug 23 23:39:21 don't we all Aug 23 23:40:44 graffiti lol Aug 23 23:40:53 those were the days Aug 23 23:41:21 insutantu: you mixed up enyo with mojo Aug 23 23:41:35 insutantu: and please, not the 1000th webOS wallpaper app ;) Aug 23 23:41:52 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PALM-CENTRO-UNLOCKED-GSM-BLUE-PHONE-ATT-TMOBILE-/250846774111?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3a67a2035f Aug 23 23:41:57 insutantu: look up PalmService in the enyo apis Aug 23 23:42:00 why not buy a centro for $79.99 Aug 23 23:42:04 I'm doing it in mojo, though. Aug 23 23:42:09 already have one Aug 23 23:42:13 when I add the success thing, it gives an error. Aug 23 23:42:15 oh Aug 23 23:42:18 smarter than a dumbphone and dumber than a smartphone Aug 23 23:42:39 ok, now you're just trolling me. The centro was awesome Aug 23 23:43:05 yes, but it isn't really as smart as say a Android or Windows Phone phone Aug 23 23:43:08 so, should I get this Epic or no? Aug 23 23:43:08 it's older... Aug 23 23:43:12 yes , get the epic Aug 23 23:43:17 all reviews of Epic are good Aug 23 23:43:20 get the centro! Aug 23 23:43:32 "good"? They should be... Aug 23 23:43:34 Tibfib: you rang? Aug 23 23:43:36 ...wait for it... Aug 23 23:43:41 http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/epic-4g-review/ Aug 23 23:43:45 ah, never mind. Aug 23 23:43:45 rwhitby: just trolls Aug 23 23:43:47 we need more ops Aug 23 23:44:01 Tibfib: need to talk to dkirker to annoint more ops Aug 23 23:44:03 http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Epic-4G-Review_id2516 Aug 23 23:44:03 * haeffb hides from Tibfib and his ops Aug 23 23:44:19 rwhitby: yeah, was planning on it Aug 23 23:44:48 Basically, I'm trying to make it when you tap an image it prompts to save as a wallpaper. I found the resources and tried to do it, but it gives an error when I do it. So I added the Success thing, and it won't even display the images at all when I add that. Aug 23 23:45:02 Tibfib: alternatively, all the real devs just leave this channel for a week and come back when the trolls have gotten bored Aug 23 23:45:25 insutantu: it is really mojo? as you have enyo specific inSender, inResponse there Aug 23 23:45:26 rwhitby: define "real devs" Aug 23 23:45:27 Tibfib: that's my basic mode of operation at the moment Aug 23 23:45:34 rwhitby: you're smart Aug 23 23:45:52 one more review of the epi Aug 23 23:45:53 http://www.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g-review Aug 23 23:46:10 I'm using the Ares online thing so I thought it was Mojo? Aug 23 23:46:18 look at the pretty photos epic can take Aug 23 23:46:19 http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/articleimage/684/2010/08/epic-pics/epic-4g-camera-test-4.jpg Aug 23 23:46:39 rwhitby: soo uhh, about that whole ops thing Aug 23 23:46:44 * haeffb just wondering if I should come back in a week, or if I'm expected to be gone by then... Aug 23 23:46:47 mind whipping it out? Aug 23 23:46:59 Tibfib: it's all my fault. I apologize. Aug 23 23:47:05 I am contrite. Aug 23 23:47:16 ryaxnb_: The evo 3D can take some good shots Aug 23 23:47:33 * rwhitby points folks to the /topic, and the /kick command Aug 23 23:47:41 haeffb: I forgive you Aug 23 23:47:56 * haeffb goes to buy NomNomNom again Aug 23 23:48:06 <3 Aug 23 23:48:13 crap. Can only buy it once. Aug 23 23:48:49 btw, i have actually used an epic Aug 23 23:48:54 insutantu: I don't see anything actually wrong with the code Aug 23 23:48:55 my friend has one, it's nice. Aug 23 23:48:57 where can i dl android for my TP? Aug 23 23:49:04 he's really happy with his Epic Aug 23 23:49:18 Bmyers, no out yet Aug 23 23:49:18 ryaxnb_: I prefer the Evo line. Look at this sexy DOF: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VuMDeO1Na8o/TjM1qNsNfrI/AAAAAAAAALg/SswdtKKbmFY/s912/IMAG0184.jpg Aug 23 23:49:26 the evo line isnt $279 Aug 23 23:49:37 jk Aug 23 23:49:49 good. Aug 23 23:49:56 but please stop trolling Aug 23 23:50:20 pot calling the kettle black Aug 23 23:51:23 haeffb: tomorrow, get my TP Aug 23 23:51:33 woo! Aug 23 23:51:34 drank all the koolaid and got the touchstone too Aug 23 23:51:40 there's a girl in my villo chat!! Aug 23 23:51:44 that's a first! Aug 23 23:51:45 =D Aug 23 23:51:45 oh, shit. did you pay full price? Aug 23 23:51:51 no Aug 23 23:51:55 fxspec06: creeper Aug 23 23:51:59 got all 3 for like 110 Aug 23 23:51:59 whew! Aug 23 23:52:01 lolllllllllll Aug 23 23:52:06 kb, ts and case Aug 23 23:52:13 fxspec06: ask her out before she closes the app Aug 23 23:52:14 what the heck Aug 23 23:52:15 kb and case are mandatory Aug 23 23:52:21 touchstand is OK. Aug 23 23:52:21 lmfao Aug 23 23:52:23 homage to my palm career Aug 23 23:52:28 twbbas: i think it's too late. =( Aug 23 23:52:34 i missed my shot Aug 23 23:52:34 i like the presentation idea with it Aug 23 23:52:39 i'm forever doomed Aug 23 23:52:44 put family pics on there and stuff Aug 23 23:52:49 fxspec06: You know Jake, right? Aug 23 23:52:49 haeffb, one more link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPtxhd1M54 Aug 23 23:52:53 There's not anythign wrong with that. I'm trying to make it so it will set as wallpaper. WHen I tap the image, it's giving me an error that it failed to set it. I'm not sure what to do. Aug 23 23:52:54 i should like, put my face as a background Aug 23 23:52:59 that way girls would stay Aug 23 23:53:09 fxspec06: or leave immediately Aug 23 23:53:09 kesne: of course i know jake Aug 23 23:53:17 insutantu: what's the eror? Aug 23 23:53:18 twbbas: they already do that Aug 23 23:53:23 so i have nothing to lose Aug 23 23:53:30 dignity Aug 23 23:53:31 fxspec06: Jake has hit on girls in Villo chat Aug 23 23:53:37 of course he has Aug 23 23:53:38 lol i know Aug 23 23:53:40 i've seen him Aug 23 23:53:42 wow Aug 23 23:53:45 Bmyers: yeah, it's not a bad $100 photo frame... :) Aug 23 23:53:46 Villo chat is dirty Aug 23 23:53:52 insutantu: did you create an wallpaper object before? Aug 23 23:53:58 picture3Tap: function(inSender, event) { this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.systemservice/wallpaper', { method:"importWallpaper", parameters:{ "target":"/images/passcode Lock.jpg" }, onSuccess : function (e){ Mojo.Log.info("importWallpaper success, results="+JSON.stringify(e)); }, onFailure : function (e){ Mojo.Log.info("importWallpaper failure, results="+JSON.stringify(e)); } }); Aug 23 23:54:01 woa Aug 23 23:54:04 I didn't mean to paste that, sorry. Aug 23 23:54:10 haha Aug 23 23:54:23 one heck of a $100 photo frame Aug 23 23:54:28 ^ Aug 23 23:54:41 I got one to use as a doorstop Aug 23 23:54:48 j Aug 23 23:54:51 jk Aug 23 23:54:52 holy crap we have a lot of users Aug 23 23:54:58 it's too late, she's gone. gone forever. never to be seen again =( Aug 23 23:55:03 * fxspec06 sobs Aug 23 23:55:20 fxspec06: write an app that appeals to girls like "Fuzzy Kittens Wallpaper" and add in Villo chat Aug 23 23:55:27 lol Aug 23 23:55:32 and i'll link it to my wildn rooms Aug 23 23:55:36 lololol Aug 23 23:55:37 info: importWallpaper failure, results={returnValue":false,"errorText":""},palmInitFramework506:2574 Aug 23 23:55:41 That's the error I'm getting. Aug 23 23:55:52 so a worthless error Aug 23 23:55:59 umm can you set the wallpaper from other apps? Aug 23 23:56:03 yeah that's what i should do. every chatroom i put villo in, i'll link it to my rooms Aug 23 23:56:24 then i'll be like, 'oh which one of my enourmous amount of apps do you have?' Aug 23 23:56:32 Yeah, just not the one I'm making. Aug 23 23:56:37 I'm running it on my TouchPad. Aug 23 23:57:25 fxspec06: make clearview just a villo chat with the wallpaper as the background Aug 23 23:57:38 twbbas: my name isn't PatrickC Aug 23 23:57:46 haha Aug 23 23:58:25 insutantu: did you create an wallpaper object before? Aug 23 23:58:45 oh Aug 23 23:58:48 i see Aug 23 23:58:49 mhh Aug 23 23:59:29 bbl Aug 23 23:59:34 Well, I'm doing this in in Ares and I have the image placed using the Designer mode then I select the on Tap thing on the right userbar and add the code there. I'm honestly not sure. Aug 23 23:59:51 you are about to create that one.. Aug 24 00:00:10 hm, i'm not using ares Aug 24 00:01:15 * haeffb literally LOL'd at " I got one to use as a doorstop" Aug 24 00:01:33 so did everyone in #touchdroid Aug 24 00:03:45 where should i run novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage from? Aug 24 00:04:20 your host pc that has your device connected Aug 24 00:04:52 so should device be connected via usb? Aug 24 00:05:08 This is nice. I've got two Touchstones coming in from South Australia. The whole of Sydney is now out of them. Aug 24 00:05:53 also what path should i run it n cmd line from? Aug 24 00:06:18 @hedami ordered a pallet of 50 32GB touchpads for $49.99 ea. Aug 24 00:06:39 how Aug 24 00:06:40 Staples messed up his order and added in 49 touchpads. The rep couldn't delete them from the order Aug 24 00:06:43 jackjohn: you know, if you need to ask these types of questions - maybe it's best that you don't try that? :( Aug 24 00:07:02 so @hedami was just like "I'll take them anyways" Aug 24 00:07:08 you gotta be kidding Aug 24 00:07:17 check @hedami on twitter Aug 24 00:07:19 he said it last night Aug 24 00:07:22 twbbas: wow, crazy Aug 24 00:07:30 someone get fired/ Aug 24 00:07:31 ? Aug 24 00:07:40 probably a good number of people who will take them off his hands for firesale prices Aug 24 00:07:44 exactly Aug 24 00:07:49 he makes $100 per unit Aug 24 00:07:54 200% profit Aug 24 00:07:54 lol Aug 24 00:07:55 right Aug 24 00:08:23 pics? Aug 24 00:09:04 I would just be very wary of scammers Aug 24 00:09:09 cant find the source of that twbbas Aug 24 00:09:23 i find it hard to believe that they couldnt fix his order Aug 24 00:09:29 wtf he deleted the tweets Aug 24 00:09:35 he must have been trolling Aug 24 00:09:43 I think someone would... say... have been fired for that Aug 24 00:09:45 let me confirm that it was him first Aug 24 00:09:50 maybe it was someone else on my timeline Aug 24 00:10:33 * twbbas is pressing end a million times to get to 24 hrs ago on his twitter.com page Aug 24 00:10:34 twbbas: you're such a troll. Aug 24 00:10:41 Tibfib: No! I saw it! Aug 24 00:10:52 trollface.jpg Aug 24 00:10:57 -.- Aug 24 00:11:02 ;) Aug 24 00:11:17 if he deleted it then there'd still be responses Aug 24 00:11:21 I'm getting evidence Aug 24 00:11:26 just let me get to 24 hrs ago in my timeline Aug 24 00:11:42 okay CSI: Internet is on the case! Aug 24 00:11:43 :) Aug 24 00:11:54 YEAHHHHHHH Aug 24 00:11:55 rwhitby: i cannot set a mark for australia in my paid apps. Aug 24 00:12:16 -_- twitter only lets me go 18 hrs ago Aug 24 00:12:22 I know another way Aug 24 00:12:24 hold on Aug 24 00:12:41 just hack the gibsons, you can do it Aug 24 00:12:50 ok! Aug 24 00:12:53 I found the person Aug 24 00:12:55 it's @TheTechChat Aug 24 00:12:59 :D Aug 24 00:13:05 https://twitter.com/#!/TheTechChat/status/105840502892544000 Aug 24 00:13:10 Look at all tweets around that time Aug 24 00:13:57 holye crpa Aug 24 00:14:09 is lynne staples an authority on that kind of thing? Aug 24 00:14:14 lol Aug 24 00:15:06 sick Aug 24 00:15:19 better hope they don't catch the mistake from say, I dunno, tweeting it to the world Aug 24 00:15:46 dartz Aug 24 00:15:55 I mean, techincally, you don't brag until you get the merchandise, know what I mean? Aug 24 00:15:55 i still dont believe they couldnt have fixed it Aug 24 00:16:13 wifi on airplanes ftw Aug 24 00:16:38 wonder if he makes a youtube video of him blending 49 touchpads Aug 24 00:17:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko Aug 24 00:26:28 for the record, Sam Adams Octoberfest is my favorite of all Sam Adams products. Aug 24 00:26:59 just in case anyone was thinking of getting me a lifetime supply of a particular variety of Sam Adams or something. Aug 24 00:27:18 Octoberfest is officially "the shit" Aug 24 00:27:22 This moment was brought to you by Sam Adams, Quality is everything. Aug 24 00:27:47 rawr Aug 24 00:28:16 The beast awakens in his chamber Aug 24 00:28:29 Man bear pig lives! Aug 24 00:29:47 * Ironsight stares blankly at putty waiting for Palm_webOS_SDK.0.0.0.643.dmg to download at a whopping 200k/s Aug 24 00:30:00 too bad there is such a social stigma on dealing meth. Breaking Bad makes it seem like such a good idea. Aug 24 00:30:17 haeffb: You can use my app from a ways back Aug 24 00:30:23 haeffb: I forget it's name Aug 24 00:30:39 CTL would know Aug 24 00:30:46 "This app does nothing" ? Aug 24 00:31:01 Haha Aug 24 00:31:02 I wish Aug 24 00:31:22 printf('This app does nothing'); Aug 24 00:31:46 I made big bucks on that pap! Aug 24 00:32:02 hey Aug 24 00:32:24 here's my "I'm rich app", printf('SUCKER'); Aug 24 00:34:03 goddamnit Aug 24 00:34:03 anyone know good app for tp google voice texting? Aug 24 00:34:11 Stupid 44 failed transactions Aug 24 00:34:17 siestacat: GV Text Aug 24 00:34:28 its $3 Aug 24 00:34:42 And? Aug 24 00:34:46 Oh, you meant free app Aug 24 00:34:58 I just spent $150 on this tp Aug 24 00:35:05 Hah Aug 24 00:35:10 I have two $50 credits Aug 24 00:35:18 how? Aug 24 00:35:25 two touchpads = two app credits Aug 24 00:35:26 * Ironsight checks to see if his shipped yet... Aug 24 00:35:29 the $349 sale a few weeks back? Aug 24 00:35:31 wait Aug 24 00:35:33 kesne Aug 24 00:35:37 yes? Aug 24 00:35:42 do I get a $50 credit? Aug 24 00:35:46 siestacat: no Aug 24 00:36:00 i want a refund Aug 24 00:36:01 oh, but you paid ful price Aug 24 00:36:05 Haha Aug 24 00:36:12 Well, actually, I got mine for free Aug 24 00:36:15 mwahahaha Aug 24 00:36:16 I paid 70% Aug 24 00:36:23 lol Aug 24 00:36:32 I sweet-talked richard kerris Aug 24 00:36:35 kesne: i want one. Aug 24 00:36:40 any free apps? Aug 24 00:36:44 s/sweet-talked/sucked Aug 24 00:36:51 tommy ivegot two Aug 24 00:37:03 siestacat: 32gb? Aug 24 00:37:03 And they sent me a prototype one a ways back Aug 24 00:37:08 yes tommy Aug 24 00:37:10 So I had two touchpads activated on my account Aug 24 00:37:14 it was beautiful Aug 24 00:37:15 siestacat: wanna sell me one? Aug 24 00:37:17 kesne: that was a brilliant move. Give $50 app credit to folks that you gave the device. Aug 24 00:37:29 haeffb: So, give it to HP? Aug 24 00:37:35 http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110822PD218.html Aug 24 00:37:41 maybe in a few days tommy Aug 24 00:37:47 no, I mean a brilliant move on HP's part. Aug 24 00:37:51 your price offer? Aug 24 00:37:52 siestacat: okay, how much would you want for it? Aug 24 00:37:55 haeffb: Oh Aug 24 00:37:57 lol Aug 24 00:37:59 haeffb: I totally misread that. Aug 24 00:38:17 siestacat: i see them on ebay for $260 shipped, so lower than that (otherwise i'd just get it there) Aug 24 00:38:27 dude has like "10+ available" Aug 24 00:38:41 I'll sell you a TouchPad for 1k Aug 24 00:38:46 230 shipped? Aug 24 00:38:48 k Aug 24 00:38:51 $995 Aug 24 00:38:55 220? Aug 24 00:38:59 haeffb: Plus shipping Aug 24 00:39:11 $5 plus $990 shipping Aug 24 00:39:15 siestacat: i'll do $220 shipped if the 2 i ordered from onSale don't come through, and i don't think they will Aug 24 00:39:20 haeffb: deal Aug 24 00:39:21 ok Aug 24 00:39:22 * haeffb doesn't want to pay ebay fees Aug 24 00:39:24 cool Aug 24 00:39:28 sweet Aug 24 00:39:29 kesne: I got $50 app credit on my loaner too Aug 24 00:39:32 where are you located? Aug 24 00:39:34 kesne: wait, are you buying or selling? Aug 24 00:39:38 siestacat: NYC Aug 24 00:39:40 haeffb: Uh.... Aug 24 00:39:45 haeffb: Which would you prefer. Aug 24 00:39:53 well, right now i'm located at 37,000 feet over southern california, flying with delta using their wifi Aug 24 00:39:55 ok, this touchpad Ben opened once Aug 24 00:39:56 twbbas: Heh Aug 24 00:40:00 but new york is my shipping address :D Aug 24 00:40:01 kesne: too late. I just shipped it to you. Aug 24 00:40:13 turned on, just sat there since Aug 24 00:40:13 haeffb: So, are you paying me Aug 24 00:40:15 bah, it's opened? D: Aug 24 00:40:20 yes, lol Aug 24 00:40:21 hmm... okay. Aug 24 00:40:24 my dad bought it Aug 24 00:40:30 he hasn't used it Aug 24 00:40:32 yes, isn't that how it works? I pay you to take a TouchPad? Aug 24 00:40:39 if there is so much as a tiny little nick off of the back i'll turn jewish and sue you into oblivion :D Aug 24 00:40:43 lol Aug 24 00:40:45 sure Aug 24 00:40:47 no no just kidding, but srsly, gotta be minty Aug 24 00:40:51 its perfect Aug 24 00:40:55 i like bashing up my own devices Aug 24 00:40:59 lo Aug 24 00:41:01 lol Aug 24 00:41:10 bought a nexus S 3 days before i left for africa/australia, you should see the thing now, after 2 months traveling Aug 24 00:41:18 so if he doesn't like it I'll talk to you in the next few says Aug 24 00:41:25 scratches all over it, it looks like i put it in a ziploc of rocks and nails and shook it for 20 minutes Aug 24 00:41:27 days* Aug 24 00:41:43 kay Aug 24 00:41:46 thanks for the offer Aug 24 00:42:03 man i hope mine come through Aug 24 00:42:08 that'd be sick, 2 of em for $330 shipped Aug 24 00:42:20 hey all Aug 24 00:42:30 so.... #touchdroid is full of talk of how to purchase/when it will ship. Aug 24 00:42:32 any downside to restoring from a backup after a doctor? Aug 24 00:42:42 but not much "we're getting android on this sucker" Aug 24 00:42:42 I'm trying to get a nice clean slate on 3.0.2 Aug 24 00:42:48 ok, if they don't come through we'll talk Aug 24 00:42:56 Bad news on the onSale front Aug 24 00:43:18 I got mine b&m Aug 24 00:43:22 brb Aug 24 00:43:28 garbs: i think you will begin from start in angry birds :) Aug 24 00:43:48 well, my backup is from a device that was upgraded from 3.0.0 to 3.0.2 Aug 24 00:44:02 I want to keep things as fresh as possible with hopefully no trace remnants of 3.0 Aug 24 00:44:57 Amazon/onSale possible bad news: https://www.facebook.com/notes/onsale/update-about-hp-touch-pads/10150261415311008 Aug 24 00:45:22 garbs: you should be fine. The backup will just restore apps, contacts, accounts, etc. Aug 24 00:45:30 ok, awesome Aug 24 00:45:31 thanks Aug 24 00:45:37 This content is currently unavailable Aug 24 00:45:43 fuck you onsale, I don't want to join facebook Aug 24 00:45:54 one more question: is there someone I can see all the apps I purchased, even if they are not on the device? Aug 24 00:46:06 don't think so Aug 24 00:46:53 "At this time, we regret that we have determined we will not have sufficient clarity in a timely manner regarding additional availability of product to allow us to fill remaining unfulfilled orders. Aug 24 00:46:54 so I have to keep track of what apps I bought? Aug 24 00:47:07 Unfortunately as a result, we are now cancelling unfulfilled orders and expect this process to be completed shortly. Customers whose orders are being canceled will receive a cancelation notice via e-mail. No credit cards have been charged for any unfulfilled orders." Aug 24 00:48:14 garbs: you should be getting email receipts for all catalog downloads Aug 24 00:48:28 garbs: if you care about knowing which apps you've bought but don't need enough to have installed anywhere ... ? Aug 24 00:48:29 yeah, I am Aug 24 00:48:35 when i called it said orders made after 4am central on august 22nd Aug 24 00:48:38 would be canceled Aug 24 00:48:48 I'll just reference receipts Aug 24 00:49:03 dwc-: yes, i think thats a reasonable thing Aug 24 00:49:29 garbs: Impostah can show you that Aug 24 00:50:12 haeffb: that's pretty much the state of that whole project Aug 24 00:50:36 so...HP has charged my credit card for two 32gb's Aug 24 00:51:15 is that good ? Aug 24 00:51:21 rwhitby: based on what you know, is android on TP feasible? Aug 24 00:51:40 haeffb: purely depends on whether you can create the required binary kernel drivers Aug 24 00:51:51 bpadalino: about the charge? Yes, I guess. Aug 24 00:52:02 did you order 2 of them? Aug 24 00:52:02 haeffb: everything else is straight forward Aug 24 00:52:27 isnt the linux kernel drivers for webos open source Aug 24 00:52:30 haeffb: I have not yet seen anyone associated with that project that has the required skills do complete that task. Aug 24 00:52:35 ryaxnb_: no Aug 24 00:52:38 since the linux kernel webos uses is GPL (copyleft) Aug 24 00:52:46 then how are they not violating the GPL? Aug 24 00:53:03 hint: if the drivers are all closed, they are in fact violating the GPL Aug 24 00:53:07 bpadalino: yes Aug 24 00:53:12 ryaxnb_: and neither is the A6 firmware, the Wifi firmware, the touchscreen driver firmware, or the GPU userspace init code Aug 24 00:53:22 again, explain how this works Aug 24 00:53:23 haeffb: sounds good then Aug 24 00:53:29 binary blobs ? Aug 24 00:53:29 firmware can easily be closed source Aug 24 00:53:31 I've never gotten a confirmation of the order. But if they've charged me.... Aug 24 00:53:32 drivers can not Aug 24 00:53:45 binary blobs in the kernel are almost always firmware. Aug 24 00:53:55 square: when you called onSale? Aug 24 00:54:01 ryaxnb_: you'll find that there are two camps on binary kernel drivers that do not use GPL_SYMBOLs. Aug 24 00:54:03 they are not the actual drivers, because if they were, they would be violating the GPL in a serious way Aug 24 00:54:15 you've never used insmod ? Aug 24 00:54:23 ryaxnb_: and the camp which does not believe that is infringing has never been taken to court on it. Aug 24 00:54:33 im aware of various hacks that "supposedly" remove the infringement Aug 24 00:54:39 ryaxnb_: and Linus himself is reported to be in neither camp. Aug 24 00:54:51 they do not fact remove it, its just that we've been lenienct Aug 24 00:55:14 the GPL is plain as day and you can't twist your way around it, you can just hope no one sues your fat ass Aug 24 00:55:24 haha Aug 24 00:55:29 * haeffb hopes no one sues my fat ass Aug 24 00:55:32 this lowers my opinion of webos considerably Aug 24 00:55:37 * bpadalino sues haeffb! Aug 24 00:55:42 f*ck Aug 24 00:55:49 since even honeycomb has almost all of the linux kernel drivers released for the tegra 2 Aug 24 00:55:56 i will take 1x 32GB TP for payment! Aug 24 00:55:58 even though honeycomb itself is closed. Aug 24 00:55:58 almost all ... Aug 24 00:56:16 ryaxnb_: not even openmoko had all kernel drivers open source Aug 24 00:56:17 bpadalino: I've been instructed by my attorney not to negotiate directly Aug 24 00:56:19 honeycomb has released the gpl source for the honeycomb kernel. Aug 24 00:56:31 ryaxnb_: opensource.palm.com Aug 24 00:56:39 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968928 Aug 24 00:57:01 haeffb: hrmm .. your attorney sounds like they actually graduated from law school - i am dropping my lawsuit! Aug 24 00:57:34 it's also worth noting the complete Nexus S software stack has been released by google Aug 24 00:57:34 from #touchpad: "<[koss]> anyone have a ipk collection yet?" Aug 24 00:57:37 sigh. Aug 24 00:57:52 ryaxnb_: I'd prefer that all kernel modules were open source as much as the next person. Feel free to email the address on that page, cause this is not the right forum for such a debate. Aug 24 00:57:52 send them to the preware feeds Aug 24 00:58:19 haeffb: I think you can assume that person is referring to a warez collection Aug 24 00:58:23 " of course, they are several sites to download ipk stuff" Aug 24 00:58:30 sigh. Aug 24 00:58:37 rwhitby: I did Aug 24 00:58:50 alright Aug 24 00:59:10 haeffb: yes, the neighbourhood has significantly devalued in the last week. Aug 24 00:59:32 haeffb: and there's nothing anyone is going to be able to do about it, unfortunately. Aug 24 00:59:39 * haeffb pisses on HP Aug 24 00:59:50 except for the people in PSG Aug 24 00:59:57 ok. Aug 24 01:00:02 * haeffb pisses on Leo Aug 24 01:00:08 haeffb: when you provide $99 touchpads to customers who are used to the legal conventions of the android community, you can't be surprised with the result. Aug 24 01:00:36 'ello! Aug 24 01:00:39 rwhitby: I didn't. Leo did. Thus the urge to urinate. Aug 24 01:00:57 yawn Aug 24 01:01:18 3pm, good nite soon Aug 24 01:02:31 hey haeffb Aug 24 01:02:43 hey LarrySteeze Aug 24 01:03:38 rwhitby: great polite words for really bad things. :) Aug 24 01:04:01 so I went in to BJ's today to have them price match some of my touchpads, and they told me they had a shipment sell out...but they're expecting shipments all week Aug 24 01:04:17 and expect them all to sell out quickly Aug 24 01:04:28 This is the dev channel Aug 24 01:04:33 it's a bit bittersweet Aug 24 01:05:37 but...as a show of faith in webos, my next app will be released on webos before android or ios Aug 24 01:05:51 good Aug 24 01:05:58 get ready for Trampoline :-) Aug 24 01:06:24 webhostbudd: do you go by another name generally? Aug 24 01:07:22 HP TouchPad Wireless Keyboard $39.99 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055QYJK6 Aug 24 01:07:42 no Aug 24 01:08:04 Larry: Online you mean? Aug 24 01:08:08 another alias? Aug 24 01:09:00 I mean in the webos community Aug 24 01:09:26 D. B. Cooper Aug 24 01:09:27 PsWii60: nice. Case is $29.99 as well Aug 24 01:09:34 kool Aug 24 01:09:45 the case/keyboard is a great combo Aug 24 01:09:58 Ahh, I'm just webhostbudd there Aug 24 01:10:08 I haven't been involved much but I have always liked webos 3 Aug 24 01:10:10 I was going to say I didn't recognize the name, but then again, I don't frequent this channel...when I pop in, it's just webos-internals until recently Aug 24 01:10:33 And I will probably be working on applications if I find a need for something Aug 24 01:10:46 you're a dev? Aug 24 01:11:05 Not for webos, no Aug 24 01:11:16 LarrySteeze: why else would he be in "the dev channel" ? Aug 24 01:11:23 er. nevermind. Aug 24 01:11:26 ha Aug 24 01:11:33 well I wasn't familiar with the fact that was actually a dev channel Aug 24 01:11:36 O.o Aug 24 01:11:39 hehe Aug 24 01:11:43 I knew quite of a few of us were devs Aug 24 01:11:51 yea, thats because tablet people have been in here Aug 24 01:12:04 hey, I welcome them with open arms Aug 24 01:12:08 is that like pod people or mole people? Aug 24 01:12:13 wtf Aug 24 01:12:19 * haeffb says /topic Aug 24 01:12:26 yes Aug 24 01:12:27 I'm a tablet person, but I was a webos person long before the tablet Aug 24 01:12:36 custom sticker order, forum upgrade/conversion and now someone asking me to help them with hosting Aug 24 01:12:40 whats going on today? sheesh Aug 24 01:12:42 sugardave: how's morale? Aug 24 01:12:55 dawm: another day in the life Aug 24 01:12:58 dawm: Did my stickerz ship!?!??!?!?! Aug 24 01:13:06 mail man took em today Aug 24 01:13:08 so yah Aug 24 01:13:36 morale seems steady, I think the Palm people are used to massive scary shifts Aug 24 01:13:39 * haeffb wondes if HP will refund the price difference for keyboard, touchstand and case... Aug 24 01:13:43 so I'm just following their lead Aug 24 01:13:45 DO I GET DELIVERY TRACKINGZ? Aug 24 01:13:48 good plan Aug 24 01:13:50 haeffb: They won't Aug 24 01:13:59 the bastards! Aug 24 01:14:02 speaking of shipping...I got an email from HP about the tablets I ordered from them...telling me mine won't be shipped until next week :-S Aug 24 01:14:24 LarrySteeze: I'd cancel, then Aug 24 01:14:27 too long Aug 24 01:14:29 shoulda been at the asktp party Aug 24 01:14:30 :P Aug 24 01:14:37 lol Aug 24 01:14:40 well Aug 24 01:14:52 I think I can wait Aug 24 01:15:33 sugardave: is it true that Amazon is buying webOS to put on their tablets? Aug 24 01:15:51 or are you "not allowed to say" ? Aug 24 01:16:05 that's the first I've heard of it Aug 24 01:16:13 lol...that was a rumor? Aug 24 01:16:19 so, C Aug 24 01:16:25 breaking: Palm employee doesn't deny that Amazon is buying webOS Aug 24 01:16:48 * haeffb is on a campaign to get Amazon to buy webOS Aug 24 01:16:52 I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if amazon licensed it...especially since they are trying to be the "not everyone else" Aug 24 01:16:58 haeffb: +1 Aug 24 01:17:01 I'm on your team Aug 24 01:17:05 haeffb: would it really be a good idea? Aug 24 01:17:10 Tibfib: lets DO it! Aug 24 01:17:21 yes. Aug 24 01:17:28 I can't see Amazon spending the time trying to cater to devs Aug 24 01:17:28 LarrySteeze if they don't lock it down like they usually have. Aug 24 01:17:30 LarrySteeze: who else has the wherewithal to take on Apple? Aug 24 01:17:40 EdLin: that's a good point Aug 24 01:17:41 htc Aug 24 01:17:47 No Aug 24 01:17:53 I had been rooting for HTC to buy palm from the beginning Aug 24 01:17:53 no Aug 24 01:17:55 htc and amazon are not even close to similar companies Aug 24 01:18:05 htc makes hardware Aug 24 01:18:07 htc already has sense, they don't want to change their identity. Aug 24 01:18:07 needs BIG pockets Aug 24 01:18:07 amazon makes services Aug 24 01:18:08 I never said they were similar companies Aug 24 01:18:11 Apple, Amazon, Google Aug 24 01:18:23 yessss Aug 24 01:18:26 * LarrySteeze gets behind myspace Aug 24 01:18:34 You know what webOS needs? Aug 24 01:18:34 this will be the new myspace phone! O.o Aug 24 01:18:36 Scale! Aug 24 01:18:40 unless they made a giant clock widget for WebOS, they wouldn't buy it. ;-) Aug 24 01:18:42 oooh...hadn't thought of myspace, for some reason Aug 24 01:18:43 It just needs a bigger company. Aug 24 01:19:02 HP used to be in that group, until Leo caused them to wither and die Aug 24 01:19:22 HP is over Aug 24 01:19:40 I'M OVER YOU HP! Aug 24 01:20:04 I keed Aug 24 01:20:29 actually, think about it though Aug 24 01:21:36 ... Aug 24 01:21:45 sorry Aug 24 01:21:52 got distracted by internals for a sec Aug 24 01:21:54 <-- thinking Aug 24 01:22:19 can I ubuntu without meta doctor? Aug 24 01:22:46 siestacat: I don't think so Aug 24 01:22:46 LoneStar! Aug 24 01:23:17 Tibfib I thought you could it was just slow Aug 24 01:23:25 think about it...when hp first took over palm, there was (in my opinion) a genuine interest in the consumer side...and a genuine interest in webos Aug 24 01:23:32 no, I don't think so Aug 24 01:23:41 the moment leo came in, he started hinting towards enterprise and getting rid of the consumer lines Aug 24 01:24:09 what's your point? Aug 24 01:24:23 is there any way to organize pdfs into folders in the touchpad adobe reader app? Aug 24 01:24:32 from haeffb's comment earlier Aug 24 01:24:42 just took me a while to bounce between chats Aug 24 01:25:03 the board members who voted in leo are idiots Aug 24 01:25:26 well no, not exactly Aug 24 01:25:41 but I think leo is much like verizon's ceo Aug 24 01:26:02 and that's not a positive thing, in my eyes Aug 24 01:26:20 how are they similar? Aug 24 01:26:37 strategies Aug 24 01:27:08 ignore previous acquisitions while trying to change the company to be more aligned with enterprise solutions Aug 24 01:27:50 it's where the money is, they have to satisfy shareholders...I understand the reasoning Aug 24 01:28:04 what is enterprise, exactly Aug 24 01:28:19 business customers? Aug 24 01:28:27 large business Aug 24 01:28:43 got it Aug 24 01:28:57 they not only buy more expensive things, but they buy a lot of them as well Aug 24 01:29:13 they need more nurturing, but a longer relationship comes out of it as well Aug 24 01:29:21 "satisfy shareholders" ? Aug 24 01:29:40 has HP stock rebounded since Friday? Aug 24 01:29:43 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-some-of-h-ps-plans-make-no-sense-2011-08-23?reflink=MW_news_stmp Aug 24 01:29:46 Yes. People who purchase shares of stock in the company, and also receive dividends. Aug 24 01:29:47 well it sucks hp doesnt see the value of webos Aug 24 01:30:17 Lol Aug 24 01:30:19 "H-P Aug 24 01:30:20 " Aug 24 01:30:27 No. That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm saying the REASON he wants to do it is to satisfy shareholders. That doesn't mean he IS satisfying shareholders. Aug 24 01:31:54 well...there seems to be a pretty big disconnect on what the ceo's vision is and what shareholders want Aug 24 01:31:55 just like "that creepy guy" at the bar. His REASON in buying girls drinks may be to get them to like him...but that doesn't mean it will work. Aug 24 01:32:19 and yes, I guess I just compared Leo to that creepy guy at the bar Aug 24 01:33:12 Adora: haeffb tells us that webos is going to Amazon's new tablet? Aug 24 01:33:13 . Aug 24 01:33:29 PuffTheMagic: long time no see! Aug 24 01:34:15 crazy8: shareholders want share price to increase. Leo wants...???? Aug 24 01:34:39 Adora: is the uiRevision: 2 problem solved? Aug 24 01:34:57 shareholders want dividend increases...they just may not share the same vision in how to make that happen Aug 24 01:34:59 YES Aug 24 01:35:32 * rwhitby needs to work on fatphd so he can reclaim his rightful place in the app catalog Aug 24 01:35:37 WOOOOO! Aug 24 01:35:43 * haeffb will resubmit! Aug 24 01:36:15 rwhitby's rightful place is somewhere above and to the left of the app catalog. Aug 24 01:36:36 whatever that means Aug 24 01:36:49 that harris guys' days are numbered ;) Aug 24 01:39:19 Adora: Boo! I still have to reupload screenshots. Aug 24 01:40:16 Okay, I've been messing with this for a while and I still can't get it. I'm a total failure I guess. :( Aug 24 01:41:48 what's not working instantu? Aug 24 01:43:01 I've been creating this, albeit pointless/stupid, application using Ares and I want to make it so when you tap an image, it prompts to save it as your wallpaper. It' so simple and i have code from an example, it's just giving me errors. I have everything done EXCEPT for that ONE thing. It's killing me. Aug 24 01:43:43 what errors have you been receiving? Aug 24 01:44:21 info: importWallpaper failure, results={returnValue":false,"errorText":""},palmInitFramework506:2574 Aug 24 01:44:36 That's the error I get when I tap on the image on my TouchPad, which should prompt to save it as the wallpaper. Aug 24 01:44:41 Here's my sample code I'm using. Aug 24 01:44:45 http://codetidy.com/1066/ Aug 24 01:45:08 ok im struggling here, i got get past 8% when installing 2.1 on pre- Aug 24 01:45:14 hi, gdial pro still up? Aug 24 01:45:18 i need it Aug 24 01:46:26 i haven't checked in a while, but last I checked, gdial pro no longer worked Aug 24 01:47:08 could someone help with installing 2.1 on pre-? Aug 24 01:47:54 jackjohn: try #webos-internals Aug 24 01:48:33 Can you tell what I need to change from that? Aug 24 01:48:54 "HP is excited that you have submitted your app to us for evaluation to be included in the HP® App Catalog. " Aug 24 01:48:56 are there older versions I can download Aug 24 01:48:59 of gdial pro? Aug 24 01:50:16 http://gdialpro.com/ Aug 24 01:51:31 sugardave: http://www.heartlandconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=654979#.TlRYS_RCLtg Aug 24 01:52:38 * haeffb is protecting the children. Aug 24 01:53:08 LarrySteeze : I didn't find an archive on there/ Aug 24 01:53:23 haeffb: awesome, I saw the link from the last story, too. you're famous! Aug 24 01:53:23 I'm sorry...I thought there was one Aug 24 01:53:27 There is Aug 24 01:53:28 but its dead Aug 24 01:53:53 the link Aug 24 01:54:07 does anyone have an old version on their phone or something you can ipk? Aug 24 01:55:17 please, hold your applause. It's just what I do. Aug 24 01:57:10 I Aug 24 01:57:11 WANT Aug 24 01:57:15 uh Aug 24 01:57:21 huh? Aug 24 01:57:33 Oh Aug 24 01:57:34 Right Aug 24 01:57:40 I WANT CHEAP TOUCHPAD ACCESSORIES Aug 24 01:57:43 ^ Aug 24 01:57:49 You can buy 2 TP TS for $80 Aug 24 01:57:57 I want cheap accessories Aug 24 01:58:01 I realllllly need a cheap case Aug 24 01:58:04 'any ideas? Aug 24 01:58:08 HP has accessories for 30% off Aug 24 01:58:14 twbbas: link Aug 24 01:58:17 siestacat: I've heard office depot is selling official case for $25 Aug 24 01:58:25 kesne: ugh I gotta look it up from last night Aug 24 01:58:28 siestacat: Cardboard Aug 24 01:58:28 hold on Aug 24 01:58:59 kesne: http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/57249/hp-home-home-office-store-2x-hp-touchstone-wireless-charging-docks-for-touchpad Aug 24 01:59:01 expired :( Aug 24 01:59:08 GOD DAMNIT Aug 24 01:59:10 kesne rofl Aug 24 01:59:16 twbbas That's too much Aug 24 01:59:34 siestacat: I'd say the official hp case is worth $30 Aug 24 01:59:51 twbbas: YOUR MOM IS WORTH $30 Aug 24 02:00:04 at least she's not free like yours Aug 24 02:00:07 office depot had it for 20 Aug 24 02:00:46 good night #webos Aug 24 02:00:51 see you in the morning Aug 24 02:01:17 it IS morning Aug 24 02:01:26 it's 10am here ;) Aug 24 02:01:41 Lawl Aug 24 02:01:53 on the internet it's always morning ;) Aug 24 02:04:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drucg1A6Xk Aug 24 02:05:02 anyone like Portal? Aug 24 02:05:05 watch ^^ Aug 24 02:11:46 i love Portal 2 Aug 24 02:11:51 video owns Aug 24 02:11:58 altho she figured out the mechanics way to quickly Aug 24 02:12:14 too Aug 24 02:16:10 has anyone lately used the wipdk to do the sample build of doom lately in ubuntu? Aug 24 02:21:39 is there a terminal emulator (with virtual keyboard) for webos? Aug 24 02:28:49 Xecutah Aug 24 02:29:50 I'm going to post this again hoping someone can help, haha. Sorry gusy. Aug 24 02:30:00 I've been creating this, albeit pointless/stupid, application using Ares and I want to make it so when you tap an image, it prompts to save it as your wallpaper. It' so simple and i have code from an example, it's just giving me errors. I have everything done EXCEPT for that ONE thing. It's killing me Aug 24 02:34:23 hi all! Aug 24 02:34:58 JenP! Aug 24 02:35:02 OMG OmG OMG Aug 24 02:35:06 kesne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 24 02:35:14 hiya hiya hiya! Aug 24 02:35:24 Haha Aug 24 02:41:25 i'm watching two guys play portal2 coop from start to finish Aug 24 02:41:31 everytime they die or complete a level they drink Aug 24 02:41:34 soo good Aug 24 02:41:40 video 3 of 31 Aug 24 02:41:44 OMG that does sound like fun Aug 24 02:41:47 Is there a way to delete all the un-needed/wanted search engines? Seems like one out of every 5 sites gets one added... Aug 24 02:42:00 one has beat single player twice Aug 24 02:42:04 the other only has played portal1 Aug 24 02:42:56 i have yet to play P2 coop :( Aug 24 02:43:06 i have all but 1 achievement for the single player Aug 24 02:43:11 but i hate playing with strangers Aug 24 02:43:19 especially games where you HAVE to cooperate Aug 24 02:45:01 hihi Aug 24 02:45:12 * maik picked up a TP case at Office Depot for $19.99 :) Aug 24 02:45:56 im gonna rock some cardboard Aug 24 02:46:38 here's your laughs for the hour http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862&p=42086784#post42086784 Aug 24 02:47:29 hey Aug 24 02:47:33 question Aug 24 02:47:33 rrix, Aug 24 02:47:40 whats funny is.. his signature Aug 24 02:47:46 cheap hp tp case? Aug 24 02:47:57 * maik picked up a TP case at Office Depot for $19.99 :) Aug 24 02:48:01 siestacat: Office Depot, in stores only, $19.99 Aug 24 02:48:03 literally just before you joined Aug 24 02:48:09 literally :) Aug 24 02:48:17 maik don't have od locally Aug 24 02:48:22 bummer :/ Aug 24 02:48:33 elsewhere? Aug 24 02:48:42 don't care if it's 3rd party Aug 24 02:48:57 just a portfolia thing for stand and cleanliness Aug 24 02:49:08 siestacat: i can check at the store tomorrow for you if you'd be willing to paypal me the cost and shipping Aug 24 02:50:22 im gonna drink Aug 24 02:50:26 everytime these tards drink Aug 24 02:50:43 dawm: someone having a party? Aug 24 02:50:47 I'm waiting for the dock to drop in price in Canada.. Already got the case, couldn't hold off on that one lol Aug 24 02:50:50 watching youtube Aug 24 02:50:57 two guys are playing drink along, portal2 coop Aug 24 02:51:05 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL90C72D612EA4988D Aug 24 02:51:06 where do you live maik Aug 24 02:51:24 ya. OD has the Touchstone Dock for $39.99, but that's still a little more than i'm wanting to pay right now Aug 24 02:51:28 idk if it counts as drinking alone.. but fuck it Aug 24 02:51:30 siestacat: Washington State Aug 24 02:51:31 im entertained for the night Aug 24 02:51:46 shipping would be 30 Aug 24 02:51:52 I'm in maine rofl Aug 24 02:51:53 dock? Aug 24 02:51:56 DID YOU SAY DOCK? Aug 24 02:51:58 DIE! Aug 24 02:52:01 thanks for offer though Aug 24 02:52:43 siestacat: ok Aug 24 02:53:12 hi everyone Aug 24 02:53:42 anyone online Aug 24 02:53:49 siestacat: amazon has the case for $29.99 Aug 24 02:53:52 I AM Aug 24 02:53:55 which is still a good deal Aug 24 02:54:06 bb b&m 25 Aug 24 02:54:21 oo hey is anyone here a webos developer that could help me with a little coding problem Aug 24 02:54:42 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055QYJKG/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER Aug 24 02:54:54 starsoccer9: yes and maybe Aug 24 02:54:55 haeffb!!! Aug 24 02:54:55 starsoccer9: best thing is to show the code & ask the question. Aug 24 02:55:01 JenP !!!! Aug 24 02:55:04 hey JenP Aug 24 02:55:09 did you get a $99 touchpad? Aug 24 02:55:09 hi guys! Aug 24 02:55:14 well i dont have any code yet Aug 24 02:55:15 NO.... Aug 24 02:55:23 frown Aug 24 02:55:26 basiclly im making a simple game Aug 24 02:55:34 wish I had. Unfortunelty work...work...work. Aug 24 02:55:37 <{DV8}> Ìû Aug 24 02:55:52 work sucks Aug 24 02:55:52 dawm: would you prefer magical chargy stand device thingy? Aug 24 02:56:01 LOL yes it sucks. Aug 24 02:57:17 @ heaffb and @rwitby Im making a game for webos but my game is in flash. I want to basiclly just lauch my flash game when it starts but the flash game has to be located locally Aug 24 02:57:42 I don't think that will work Aug 24 02:57:49 although I'm not a flashy guy Aug 24 02:57:51 It will with IFRAMES! Aug 24 02:57:59 but personal trainer's on an hyper drive so she's moved me to 5am 'boot camp' sessions Aug 24 02:58:01 listen to kense Aug 24 02:58:10 well what about if i use a webview to veiw an html file and its emebed in the html Aug 24 02:58:18 JenP: that sounds like...fun...? Aug 24 02:58:21 haeffb: I HATE YOU Aug 24 02:58:36 starsoccer9: Worth a try Aug 24 02:58:47 ok, my work here is done. It's been nice knowing you guys. Aug 24 02:59:02 http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_c -- get it now for $700! Aug 24 02:59:22 @kesne i dont know where to startthough Aug 24 02:59:41 I was just saying "akanster always knows where to get the best deals" Aug 24 02:59:43 starsoccer9: Write your flash game, make a simple html page where it is, use enyo.webView Aug 24 02:59:54 heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011