**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 26 02:59:57 2011 Aug 26 03:00:31 ...only to come crawling back when they realized the TouchPad screen was even bigger than the Evo Aug 26 03:00:41 hey, I couldn't put up with my Sprint Pixi any more :C don't hate Aug 26 03:00:47 android :( Aug 26 03:01:28 I haz evo 3D Aug 26 03:01:45 i really hope everybody doesnt put android on their touchpads Aug 26 03:01:54 how does Twitter work in 3d? Aug 26 03:02:19 I'd like webos on my evo 3d Aug 26 03:02:19 garbs: agree, the OS is the best part of the tablet haha Aug 26 03:02:27 This is nice. My 16Ah battery pack provides enough juice for a touchstone. Aug 26 03:02:30 indeed Aug 26 03:02:53 i know it's not likely,but if HP irons out the bugs even further, it will be very nice Aug 26 03:03:06 twitter in 3d on evo.. still lol Aug 26 03:03:51 in fact, I think HP should release tools for already released devices only...to put webos on certain hardware. Not everyone would jump on it, but some would, which if done correctly, could be great Aug 26 03:03:54 if they're honest about wanting to not abandon webOS, I'm sure it'll get nicer… Especially they want to license it to other companies. Those companies aren't going to license something that works terribly for them Aug 26 03:04:39 100-150 dollar tablets with a nice interface and apps if what ppl want Aug 26 03:04:47 s/if/is Aug 26 03:05:32 there's no profit in that Bmyers Aug 26 03:05:41 I don't know...I think people would jump on a tablet with a bad interface too Aug 26 03:05:51 like the iPad? Aug 26 03:06:13 *shrug* I don't think the ipad has a bad interface Aug 26 03:06:25 if they could price at 250-300, i bet they'd have plenty of buyers, although, profit there is razor thin as well Aug 26 03:06:29 certainly inferior to webos though Aug 26 03:06:36 Honeycomb as it stands is probably a worse interface than iOS. Aug 26 03:06:52 if you can ensure profitability through the app store, garbs, it's a wash Aug 26 03:07:05 Personally, for me, iOS > WebOS > Windows > Android tor tablets.. Aug 26 03:07:10 eh, is the app cat down at the moment Aug 26 03:07:15 very little profit there, LarrySteeze Aug 26 03:07:29 garbs: profit in numbers, not in margins Aug 26 03:07:38 what makes the iOS interface good? Aug 26 03:07:49 iOS interface is getting old, but it's still good Aug 26 03:07:57 it's an app launcher that runs one app at a time. Aug 26 03:07:58 anyone can figure out how to use it Aug 26 03:08:01 the fact that my 4 year old cousin didn't have to be taught how to use it Aug 26 03:08:06 bingo Aug 26 03:08:10 that's the mark of good UI design Aug 26 03:08:15 I just find it makes sense.. beyond that, it's fast, responsive, consistant, and simple. Aug 26 03:08:25 whereas with webos, I had to teach my wife how to use it Aug 26 03:08:32 if iOS had cards, i'd be in for life Aug 26 03:08:33 WebOS is consistant and simple, but it's not always so responsive or fast.. Aug 26 03:08:37 I mean...it wasn't hard to teach, but still Aug 26 03:08:55 Is the App Catalog down? Aug 26 03:09:01 it's very slow Aug 26 03:09:03 yeah, its broken Aug 26 03:09:06 lots of people with new touchpads Aug 26 03:09:16 And Android has no consistancy, and it's not very polished.. it always feels like a developer preview.. Aug 26 03:09:16 none of the "six pack" apps are loading for me Aug 26 03:09:19 mine got delivered today from saturday order on smb Aug 26 03:09:34 so many people just got theirs tonight as well i'd assume Aug 26 03:10:01 garbs: how would you integrate cards into iOS and keep it "simple" ? Aug 26 03:10:04 I have a shipment arriving tomorrow Aug 26 03:10:22 i'm no expert, but double tapping the home button for the multitask bar isn't so simple either Aug 26 03:10:58 I'm still a little sore the gesture bar isn't present on the TP Aug 26 03:11:15 I honestly do think it would have been feasible Aug 26 03:11:46 wifie just got sucked in to sparkle hd Aug 26 03:11:53 that's kind of the point. iOS is "simple" because all it does is launch one app at a time. When you start adding new abilities, you add complexity Aug 26 03:12:07 Someone needs to buy Villo already Aug 26 03:12:09 indeed Aug 26 03:12:12 haeffb: ios/ipad is the one button mouse of pads.. Aug 26 03:12:29 I've never had the need to run severial apps at once in iOS.. at least not in a different way than it does currently.. Aug 26 03:12:35 which is why I don't agree with "great UI design" Aug 26 03:12:49 Ryoken|Desktop: you've never had the ability Aug 26 03:13:11 LarrySteeze: I see the biggest obstacle being the whole side to side swipes. Couldn't have really done it the RIM way, and having it be a floating black bar on the bottom of the display would have been more than a little tacky Aug 26 03:13:12 multitasking is handy, app store running slow? put it to the background Aug 26 03:13:12 Or felt I lacked the ability... Aug 26 03:14:09 I would have kept it as the bottom, just like on the original pre Aug 26 03:14:20 where's the bottom ? Aug 26 03:14:24 when it's in portrait mode, it's right and left (forward and back) Aug 26 03:14:37 by the home button Aug 26 03:14:37 Android, WebOS, BB, WinMo, WP7, etc.. used them all, nothing makes me want to move off of iOS.. Aug 26 03:14:50 when it's in landscape mode, it's page up/page down Aug 26 03:14:53 I just issued a refund Aug 26 03:14:54 :( Aug 26 03:14:57 The Touchpad would have made that confusing since it would migrate depending on how you rotated the device and would break the "back" "forward" metaphors Aug 26 03:14:59 feelsbadman.jpg Aug 26 03:15:04 kesne: i got a refund too. Aug 26 03:15:17 sine0t, that's exactly how it works on the phones Aug 26 03:15:18 Tommy: Got one, or issued one? Aug 26 03:15:20 But I don't know, I think they could easily have done it with more time and money Aug 26 03:15:29 kesne: wait, issued a refund? for what Aug 26 03:15:41 LarrySteeze: yeah, but you can't hold the phone entirely upside down as easily, I guess? Aug 26 03:15:42 i got one :(, no touchpad Aug 26 03:15:58 Tommy, are you a developer or do you have plans to be one? Aug 26 03:16:11 Tommy: Camera for TouchPad. There is a select number of devices that had faulty updates to 3.0.2 (which is where the API's come from), so I issue refunds under the new KS refund policy. Aug 26 03:16:16 LarrySteeze: no sir, i'm a premed student, no time to code and i don't enjoy it at all Aug 26 03:16:17 hm Aug 26 03:16:22 gotcha Aug 26 03:16:22 where do I find luna-send? Aug 26 03:16:29 kesne: ah i see. Aug 26 03:16:31 I dunno-that's one of the aspects of my Nexus S that bothers me is that it's very easy to have the device completely upside down. It's disorienting Aug 26 03:16:33 to make a fake sms, or something in the emulator Aug 26 03:16:40 I might have some spare tps for devs Aug 26 03:16:45 LarrySteeze: you know any way i can snag a touchpad? i'm gettin desperate :S Aug 26 03:16:53 Tommy: We are cool, and actually lose money on refunds though. Aug 26 03:17:03 ouch Aug 26 03:17:03 tommy: try calling places that say they are sold out Aug 26 03:17:03 bikcmp: novaterm ? Aug 26 03:17:21 I ordered from NewEgg, which was sold out online Aug 26 03:17:30 Tommy: best bets right now look to be either waiting for HP to stock more on their site, or to go camp your local Best Buy Aug 26 03:17:33 LarrySteeze: interesting, newegg had the discount? Aug 26 03:17:34 Tommy: Actually, we lose roughly $0.70 per refund Aug 26 03:17:45 SineOt: i'm in NYC, camping my local best buy, ha. Aug 26 03:17:48 Technically, no...but they gave it to me on the phone Aug 26 03:17:53 kesne: sadface, i'll give you 70 cents to make up for it lol Aug 26 03:18:07 we're going to go hang out at the local Best Buy tomorrow morning in hopes of getting any Aug 26 03:18:08 kesne: you only lose if you refund over 60% of your sales. Aug 26 03:18:21 haeffb: oh. thanks. Aug 26 03:18:22 haeffb: We refund at 120% the purchase price. Aug 26 03:18:28 LarrySteeze: even when the site said they were out of stock? Aug 26 03:18:34 ok, 50% of sales Aug 26 03:18:35 Tommy: Yes. Aug 26 03:18:43 LarrySteeze: i'll call them tomorrow, thanks man. Aug 26 03:18:52 or something else that I'm too lazy to do the math Aug 26 03:18:54 Tommy: don't try just them Aug 26 03:19:02 haeffb: Haha, I love you Aug 26 03:19:03 if it doesn't work, don't give up Aug 26 03:19:08 Newegg is going to be getting a lot of them back in because of refused shipments Aug 26 03:19:23 I feel really bad for all the people that refused shipment on their Newegg orders over the pricing issues Aug 26 03:19:33 I imagine that's why I was able to order them Aug 26 03:19:37 LarrySteeze: i just don't have much time to be calling every place, i need an apartment by monday, drove 8 hours round trip today to school and back to check out 2, neither of which i liked Aug 26 03:20:02 Tommy: you can also try local (not chain) book stores and electronics shops Aug 26 03:20:23 I don't even think those exist around here in Southern California. :( Aug 26 03:20:38 lol, yeah, here either Aug 26 03:20:45 or call HP. I have a feeling they will start selling by phone before online Aug 26 03:21:12 the sale price was available via phone before it was online (except through academy purchases) Aug 26 03:21:26 or wait a week and go on ebay.. Aug 26 03:21:57 Destinal... Aug 26 03:22:02 I know from somewhere Aug 26 03:23:14 The hard part is knowing when HP is going to start selling them at all. :( Aug 26 03:24:48 It's been vague but my understanding is that HP received another shipment sometime yesterday which was planned to go up for sale, but instead has been parted out and shipped to other resellers to help fill back ordered stock… Aug 26 03:25:21 I imagine that once the reseller shipments get sorted that what ever remains of that batch will go up for sale via HP. Problem is finding out when. Aug 26 03:25:59 anyone us advance browser Aug 26 03:26:27 links still open in a new card even though the browser has tabs Aug 26 03:26:57 Yeah Aug 26 03:27:01 I think you can tap and hold Aug 26 03:27:05 And say open in a new tab Aug 26 03:27:14 Well, at the least! Looks like it won't be today. Aug 26 03:30:12 oh I see. really should have an option to make it default Aug 26 03:32:30 hey all Aug 26 03:32:35 Ugh Aug 26 03:32:37 This kid again Aug 26 03:32:59 hey kesne :) Aug 26 03:33:23 how's villo? Aug 26 03:33:30 PatrickC_TP: A mess Aug 26 03:33:42 that good? Aug 26 03:33:42 * oil gest popcorn Aug 26 03:33:56 PatrickC_TP: It's good, haha Aug 26 03:34:02 lol Aug 26 03:34:11 wow Aug 26 03:34:11 Changed a few things the past days to get ready for 0.9.5 Aug 26 03:34:15 glimpse is awesome Aug 26 03:34:17 and Aug 26 03:34:20 phnx free is availab Aug 26 03:34:36 fxspec06: awesome! Aug 26 03:34:41 yeah, I love Glimpse Aug 26 03:34:53 kesne: can't wait! Aug 26 03:35:19 like Aug 26 03:35:20 wow Aug 26 03:35:25 glimpse is like better than Aug 26 03:35:27 individual apps Aug 26 03:35:37 and it has like a ton of apps inside it Aug 26 03:35:44 and it just does so much more Aug 26 03:36:05 like i can see myself having glimpse open all the time Aug 26 03:36:16 instead of having like 5 other cards that do the same thing Aug 26 03:37:01 kesne Aug 26 03:37:02 lol Aug 26 03:37:15 fxspec is creating a wall of his name o.O Aug 26 03:37:16 fxspec06: Yes? Aug 26 03:38:12 you said 'if only people siad that about camera =(' referring to me saying that glimpse was easilly a $20 app Aug 26 03:38:20 kesne: Your app doesn't do what I expected it to do. Can I have a refund? Aug 26 03:38:21 fxspec06: yes? Aug 26 03:38:29 LarrySteeze: Nope :P Aug 26 03:38:39 i just thought that was a little funny Aug 26 03:38:42 I expected the camera app to give me magic powers...but for some reason, it takes pictures Aug 26 03:38:50 The refund policy is suspended from August 26-September 3rd Aug 26 03:38:51 not that camera isn't great Aug 26 03:38:52 why would a camera app take pictures? Aug 26 03:39:02 i just laughed Aug 26 03:39:18 you'd be surprised at the comments from actual customers -_- Aug 26 03:39:44 LarrySteeze: Some of the review for Camera for TouchPad make me wonder, man Aug 26 03:39:50 kesne Aug 26 03:39:57 from "I pushed the save button and it didn't print" to "this game sucks, I couldn't beat it" Aug 26 03:39:59 it's an app that needed to be made Aug 26 03:40:03 and dude Aug 26 03:40:04 you did it Aug 26 03:40:07 and it's great Aug 26 03:40:10 don't listen to reviews Aug 26 03:40:12 screw them Aug 26 03:40:21 fxspec06: Haha, It's got a 4.5 star rating Aug 26 03:40:29 exactly Aug 26 03:41:10 fxspec06: download the devs cut yet? Aug 26 03:41:21 not all of it Aug 26 03:41:24 i got glimpse Aug 26 03:41:29 and got stuck Aug 26 03:41:36 i already bought camera and sparkle Aug 26 03:41:37 fxspec06: go into the app menu Aug 26 03:41:43 and click on "more apps" Aug 26 03:41:45 in glimpse Aug 26 03:41:47 :) Aug 26 03:42:13 Oh, as an aside: If you're wondering when HP will have stock for sale again, @BrynaAtHP and @MarkAtHP have both been trying to keep as up to date on when that'll happen Aug 26 03:42:32 we get special Aug 26 03:42:34 wth Aug 26 03:42:54 SineOt: I already have a touchpad :P Aug 26 03:43:04 I have 6 lol Aug 26 03:43:18 kesne: but not all of us do. I'm still trying to track down -1- :( Aug 26 03:43:21 6?! Aug 26 03:43:24 PatrickC_TP: You should do what I'm doing. Aug 26 03:43:31 Selling the extras at cost to developers Aug 26 03:43:38 Hendikins: 1 for me, and 1 for each members of my family Aug 26 03:43:43 LarrySteeze: tried that already :p Aug 26 03:43:46 and then I have 2 I already sold Aug 26 03:43:47 he wouldn't sell Aug 26 03:44:04 PatrickC_TP: can I call you an ass? :] Aug 26 03:44:19 for being nice to my family? I guess so lol Aug 26 03:44:30 and I only bought 1. they all bought their own when I bought mine Aug 26 03:44:57 you… gave 3 to your family members, then sold 2 to them also? Aug 26 03:45:06 is there a problem with putting a enyo.VirtualList in a enyo.Popup? seems like when I call refresh() on my enyo.Item the code in the onSetupRow function never gets called. But if I throw a few random components in the popup I'll end up with a couple of calls to refresh. I tried setting lazy to false on the popup... Aug 26 03:45:28 SineOt: I bought one, my mom and dad bought one each, my lil bro bought one, and my aunt and uncle bought one Aug 26 03:45:34 wow Aug 26 03:45:42 try making a Glimpse app on the iPad Aug 26 03:45:47 not. happenin Aug 26 03:45:48 PatrickC_TP: then you sold 5 of them Aug 26 03:45:59 fxspec06: I only bought *1* Aug 26 03:46:04 they bought the rest Aug 26 03:46:24 I bought 2, and want 3 more.. heh Aug 26 03:46:27 and I sold my aunt and uncle my 2 spares Aug 26 03:46:55 But I gave my second one to my father, and I want the other 3 for gifts to other family members. Aug 26 03:48:04 PatrickC_TP: your phrasing didn't make it sound like you sold them to family members, it made it sound like you had just sold them to people Aug 26 03:48:27 PatrickC_TP: in which case I was huffy since I had already asked if you had two spares to sell :P Aug 26 03:48:40 So....anyone else bracing for this hurricane? Aug 26 03:49:05 It probably won't be a hurricane by the time it gets here :( Aug 26 03:49:23 I'm in North Carolina. Pretty nervous about the hurricane. Aug 26 03:49:25 Never experienced a hurricane! Just… Earthquakes. Aug 26 03:49:34 I'm in central NC though so hopefully it wont make it inland Aug 26 03:49:37 zylogz80 sweet im in nc too Aug 26 03:49:55 I'm in Boston Aug 26 03:49:56 zylogz80 i think we will get rain and winds but who knows Aug 26 03:50:08 SineOt: oh lol Aug 26 03:50:12 even if it's only a storm by the time it gets here, I don't think the city is built for it lol Aug 26 03:50:18 Caleb, I'm in Raleigh. Yeah I heard RTP was supposed to see about an inch of rain and bursts of nasty wind Aug 26 03:50:30 PatrickC_TP: in reality you sold 5 of them to family members, not bought 4 and sold 2 :p Aug 26 03:50:36 yeah i saw where it would hit about 70 mph Aug 26 03:50:37 I'm in Nova Scotia, we don't get much severe weather.. I mean the odd winter storm.. and once in a while a tropical storm.. Aug 26 03:50:44 im about 2 hours south of you Aug 26 03:51:03 LarrySteeze: fack bahstin Aug 26 03:51:05 I'm in Tennessee.. we just get floods and tornados lol Aug 26 03:51:10 LarrySteeze: whereabouts Aug 26 03:51:32 Newton Aug 26 03:51:38 ah k Aug 26 03:51:44 i lived near lowell for ~14 years Aug 26 03:51:55 zylogz80 did you feel the earthquake? Aug 26 03:52:24 Caleb, yeah but I've never experienced one before so I just thought it was a really big truck going by - like a crane or something. Aug 26 03:52:38 oh wow Aug 26 03:53:03 Caleb, I didn't get what was going on until I looked outside and saw nothing and then noticed the windows in the building next door shaking Aug 26 03:53:08 app cat update available again? Aug 26 03:53:26 really? Aug 26 03:53:28 * PatrickC_TP checks Aug 26 03:53:35 zylogz80 thats crazy Aug 26 03:53:53 Caleb, did you feel it? I heard they felt it all the way down to Georgia Aug 26 03:53:56 mine just told me it needed an update Aug 26 03:54:07 i didnt but i was in bet at the time Aug 26 03:54:12 ah Aug 26 03:54:16 LarrySteeze: what version was your before? Aug 26 03:54:35 zylogz80 where did you get your touchpad from? Aug 26 03:54:53 dont remember Aug 26 03:55:13 but I had just updated it yesterday Aug 26 03:55:37 hmm... Aug 26 03:55:42 go into the software manager Aug 26 03:55:51 and scroll down to "hp app catalog" Aug 26 03:56:04 Caleb, I got 2 from BestBuy in Cary. I got a third from HP on the way. That one was a mistake, I thought it errored out but the transaction went through. Aug 26 03:56:18 ohh nice Aug 26 03:56:18 Still, extra TouchPad. Can't complain. Aug 26 03:56:22 zylogz80: hah, even when you live in an area with common earthquakes, that's what most of them feel like Aug 26 03:56:22 not at all Aug 26 03:56:29 heh i got a buddy that would buy it Aug 26 03:56:44 Caleb, I'm going to have to barricade my doors. I got people trying to buy it like crazy. Aug 26 03:56:52 hahaha Aug 26 03:56:56 up the price Aug 26 03:57:13 Caleb, No one wanted the damn things until HP stopped making them any then everyone goes all fricken TouchPademon and "gotta catch em all" Aug 26 03:57:32 ah, so sparkle hd is like atlantis Aug 26 03:57:45 Everyone at work is like "I'll buy one off you." I'm like fuckoffnowaykthxbi. Aug 26 03:57:59 PatrickC_TP: hey buddy Aug 26 03:58:13 zylogz80 well when its 100 bucks why not Aug 26 03:58:13 hey Tommy Aug 26 03:58:16 sup? Aug 26 03:58:22 nm Aug 26 03:58:45 how're you likin the touchpad Aug 26 03:59:16 any of you know a way to get the dev mode pass off Aug 26 03:59:38 the same way you turned it on Aug 26 03:59:53 Tommy: I love it Aug 26 03:59:56 what pass? Aug 26 04:00:07 Deihmos it doesnt let you set an empty pass Aug 26 04:00:21 :) that's good brah Aug 26 04:00:29 can't wait to snag one Aug 26 04:01:09 it does for me Aug 26 04:01:22 I just left it blank Aug 26 04:01:31 I left I blank too Aug 26 04:03:43 I left mine blank too Aug 26 04:04:04 I'm off to bed Aug 26 04:04:06 night all Aug 26 04:04:07 I saw no reason to add a password.. not like a phone that goes with me everywhere and could easily be taken.. Aug 26 04:04:22 So no passwords needed for any of it.. Aug 26 04:04:27 yeah Aug 26 04:04:41 and if anything, I would set a password needed to access roo period Aug 26 04:04:46 root* Aug 26 04:05:05 that way, even if its in dev mode, you need a password to access anything Aug 26 04:06:02 I set a password on PatrickC_TP's dev mode. Aug 26 04:06:12 man Aug 26 04:06:18 that's why I can't turn it off Aug 26 04:06:25 no Aug 26 04:06:33 that's because you're a minor Aug 26 04:06:36 dkirker! Aug 26 04:06:44 minor shminor Aug 26 04:06:47 lol Aug 26 04:06:53 lawl Aug 26 04:07:02 http://ausdroid.net/2011/08/25/samsung-loses-to-apple-or-does-it/ Aug 26 04:07:06 hi Aug 26 04:07:13 you greet dkirker, but not the person who helps control whether or not our apps get approved? ;-) Aug 26 04:07:14 hi Adora ! Aug 26 04:07:17 good article, didn't realize that was true Aug 26 04:07:20 any news? Aug 26 04:07:27 LarrySteeze: Actually... Aug 26 04:07:30 LarrySteeze: who's that? Aug 26 04:07:31 Apple needs to crush Android, that'll give WebOS a new life. Aug 26 04:07:40 how about the other way around Aug 26 04:07:44 Ryoken|Desktop: lmao Aug 26 04:07:46 dkirker: I'm just playing ;-) Aug 26 04:07:47 Caleb+++ Aug 26 04:07:59 Other way doesn't work for me.. Aug 26 04:08:03 LarrySteeze: I hear Adora accepts chocolate Aug 26 04:08:05 I like my iPhone :p Aug 26 04:08:11 IMO, apple's in more direct competition with webOS than android is Aug 26 04:08:17 how about a cake in the shape of a touchpad? Aug 26 04:08:18 apple needs to quit along with steve job Aug 26 04:08:24 And I find Android devices to be.. unpolished is the best way to describe it.. Aug 26 04:08:27 LarrySteeze: It's alright. I'll just keep an eye out for your app.... :P Aug 26 04:08:38 android's different, people get it when they want customization... webOS/iOS are both for people who want fluid, smooth looks and don't mind not being able to customize Aug 26 04:08:46 so IMO, if you want webOS to succeed, you want iOS to fail Aug 26 04:08:52 dkirker: how's this whole situation coming? Aug 26 04:08:58 >.< Aug 26 04:09:08 No, some people get android for customization, the rest get it because it's the only free smartphone being given out.. Aug 26 04:09:09 I shouldn't tell you which apps are mine then lol Aug 26 04:09:15 Ryoken|Desktop: yeah, a lot of people say that, but that's why you're the webOS/iOS kinda user :) Aug 26 04:09:17 i still think hp is pulling out leg with this and are gonna keep making em Aug 26 04:09:29 Ryoken|Desktop: ummm, every webOS device in the country is free now isn't it? Aug 26 04:09:37 Caleb: we hope.. we hope Aug 26 04:09:38 The TouchPad is not free. Aug 26 04:09:40 Not free enough :p Aug 26 04:09:45 LarrySteeze: those sold with contracts Aug 26 04:10:00 and they don't sell as well as android devices that cost $200-300, so yeah, i don't think it's because they're free Aug 26 04:10:00 Tommy: that's if you can get one Aug 26 04:10:05 The prices are subbed, but trust me, you're still paying the cost Aug 26 04:10:08 PatrickC_TP: why couldn't you? Aug 26 04:10:10 s/one/webOS device/ Aug 26 04:10:12 imo this is the best way for hp to get people into using webos Aug 26 04:10:13 Donno.. But when I got my iPhone, the only choice was a dumbphone, or Android smart phone.. Aug 26 04:10:18 because they don't make them anymore? Aug 26 04:10:19 i dont think i can stay up to buy the rest of these appas Aug 26 04:10:24 i think getting rid of the phones was fine Aug 26 04:10:25 hello! Aug 26 04:10:29 who here has a veer Aug 26 04:10:30 Caleb: yeah, it only costs them 400 million dollars Aug 26 04:10:34 I am still sore over the lack of pre3's Aug 26 04:10:37 in the US Aug 26 04:10:38 great business decision, i'm sure they planned it this way Aug 26 04:10:39 fxspec06: what apps? Aug 26 04:10:45 nope i can't read those codes Aug 26 04:10:46 And I think iOS vs WebOS is the best battle, both have a snese of style :) Aug 26 04:10:47 >.> Aug 26 04:10:47 but the tablet i think is what they should stick with Aug 26 04:10:49 k Aug 26 04:10:52 i'm going to bed Aug 26 04:10:54 time for sleep Aug 26 04:10:57 nuh nites Aug 26 04:10:58 night Aug 26 04:11:01 Ryoken|Desktop: right, but comparing android to webOS is apples to oranges in a sense Aug 26 04:11:06 I'm going to bed too Aug 26 04:11:07 nigh all Aug 26 04:11:11 got my veer running preware…any good feeds i should subscribe to? Aug 26 04:11:11 nigh* Aug 26 04:11:16 i wanna trick it out Aug 26 04:11:17 later pat Aug 26 04:11:34 Tommy yeah but i cant imagine it cost them even close to what they were originally priced at to make Aug 26 04:11:38 Android and WebOS are both on phones and tablet(s).. ergo I can group them :p Aug 26 04:11:42 anyone who wants a wildn promo can search for it on WOR or PC, uk or us only Aug 26 04:11:44 i wonder how much it did cost to make a tablet Aug 26 04:11:45 k you're welcome Aug 26 04:11:48 Adora and dkirker: tell the higher-ups to endorse ports to other devices to increase adoption and app cat sales? Aug 26 04:12:09 Ryoken|Desktop: yeah, compare them all you want, and i'll just keep throwing the marketshare argument at you =) Aug 26 04:12:09 BUT YOU HAVE TO LEAVE A REVIEW Aug 26 04:12:13 * Tommy facepalms Aug 26 04:12:15 *********************** Aug 26 04:12:23 =( Aug 26 04:12:36 Caleb: in just parts, something like 294 for the 16gb Aug 26 04:12:46 ehh Aug 26 04:12:51 fxspec06_: UK only Aug 26 04:12:52 SineOt: you sure? that sounds awfully high Aug 26 04:12:55 you say in the post Aug 26 04:12:56 they did lose a bunch then Aug 26 04:12:58 the ipad costs like 200 i think Aug 26 04:13:00 :( Aug 26 04:13:06 poor hp Aug 26 04:13:20 SineOt: holy jeez, $307 to produce a touchpad. Aug 26 04:13:27 with every one they sell, they lose $208 Aug 26 04:13:34 Actually, yeah, it's closer to 306-307 for the 16gb Aug 26 04:13:41 iPad costs more than $200 Aug 26 04:13:41 i wonder what they will do with all the AT&T touchpads they manufactured and the Pre3s that were manufactucred Aug 26 04:13:43 for us Aug 26 04:13:44 they didn't skimp on quality when building the device Aug 26 04:13:47 PatrickC_ read what i actually said in IRC Aug 26 04:13:50 comprende Aug 26 04:13:55 buenas noches Aug 26 04:14:01 in parts that is.. Aug 26 04:14:01 SineOt: well, they used parts that are currently being used in smartphones lol Aug 26 04:14:09 so it's not like they went above and beyond the standard Aug 26 04:14:24 1.2ghz qsd, adreno 220, that's an HTC sensation right here Aug 26 04:14:24 Tommy: so is the iPad though :p Aug 26 04:14:27 there* Aug 26 04:14:39 SineOt: no way, look at the GPU in the iPad, blows away any smartphone Aug 26 04:14:48 fxspec06_: nvm Aug 26 04:14:50 fxspec06: I'll leave a review for you Aug 26 04:14:51 I'll talk to you tomorrow Aug 26 04:14:54 the link didn't work Aug 26 04:14:55 for HD Aug 26 04:16:05 what exactly do you mean by wor though O.o Aug 26 04:16:14 SineOt: the iPad has a dual core PowerVR SGX543MP2, worlds beyond what the galaxy S used, the PowerVR SGX540 Aug 26 04:16:16 webOS roundup Aug 26 04:16:21 ah...d'oh Aug 26 04:16:23 ok Aug 26 04:16:24 SineOt: and by that i mean ipad 2, not ipad Aug 26 04:16:33 LarrySteeze: then there's PC and WOW Aug 26 04:17:03 so i wouldn't DARE compare the hardware in the touchpad to that in the ipad 2, they're not even in the same ballpark Aug 26 04:17:13 Tommy: yeah, but it's a safe assumption that the iPhone 5 will soon be using the same or similar, you know? Aug 26 04:17:38 SineOt: i hope so, that'd surely raise the bar compared to the adreno220 that's in the touchpad/g2/every other qualcomm phone in the last year Aug 26 04:17:58 oh, of course not. It'd be dumb to compare really any tablet right now to the iPad 2 right now I think, since Apple has a massive leg up because they had a first generation to see what worked and didn't work and adjust it to match Aug 26 04:18:05 the adreno220 is a solid GPU, but again, doesn't hold a candle Aug 26 04:19:24 lol so because apple beat everyone else to the tablet scene we're supposed to act like their hardware isn't head and shoulders above everyone else? Aug 26 04:19:38 * rwhitby points to the /topic Aug 26 04:20:53 The topic eats rwhitby. Aug 26 04:20:54 :D Aug 26 04:21:02 Nah, it is head and shoulders above the rest. Everyone else is scrambling to do their first tablet right and Apple already had that figured out after the iPad 1 Aug 26 04:21:29 It'll be better comparisons when everyone is on generation 2 or 3 Aug 26 04:21:41 * rwhitby points SineOt to /topic Aug 26 04:22:16 FYI, this discussion *might* actually be more suited for #touchpad :] Aug 26 04:22:20 Discussion of the competition to the webOS hardware doesn't fall under "unofficial?" :P Aug 26 04:22:48 Unless you're creative and start bringing in PhoneGap and PDK apps ;) Aug 26 04:23:02 SineOt: when it dominates the channel to the extent that actual webOS developers privately complain about the noise level, yes. Aug 26 04:24:00 rwhitby: fair enough Aug 26 04:24:28 Some people have had more than enough warnings now. Aug 26 04:24:34 rwhitby: they can't say something to us in here? :S Aug 26 04:24:50 * Tommy has had two too many warnings Aug 26 04:26:26 rwhitby: who are you referring to by 'some people?' Aug 26 04:26:38 SineOt: you can take my actions as an indicator Aug 26 04:26:41 <<< Aug 26 04:27:08 the more i use my touchpad the more i like webos Aug 26 04:27:11 Rejoining #touchpad reminds me why I left there and joined here.. it's a zoo in there lol Aug 26 04:27:27 Ryoken|Desktop: It is a zoo in here too. Aug 26 04:27:34 Not nearly as bad.. Aug 26 04:27:37 Ryoken|Desktop: and the reason why it is not a zoo in here is because we enforce the topic occasionally Aug 26 04:27:48 honor thy NDA. interesting as current NDA SDK should really be out of NDA. Aug 26 04:27:49 Ryoken|Desktop: Discussion in here is up about 300%. Aug 26 04:27:57 Yeah, they're talking about nyan cat in #touchpad Aug 26 04:27:57 lol Aug 26 04:27:57 rwhitby thats the best way to keep a channel goin Aug 26 04:27:59 I don't doubt it lol Aug 26 04:28:17 But in there, hell you say something and it's on another page as soon as you blink lol Aug 26 04:28:50 So I can't seem to get VirtualList to render in a Toaster or a Popup. Anyone have any experience putting a virtual list in either of those? Aug 26 04:28:59 rwatkins-mbp: That has been there since Jan 2009, and will remain there, and remain enforced to the fullest. :) Aug 26 04:29:21 dinner time! Aug 26 04:29:27 not just the sdk has an nda anyways Aug 26 04:29:37 dkirker: ya, better go pull those Pre3 app catalog apps ... Aug 26 04:29:40 rwhitby: Re: That last tweet - I was actually the actioning moderator for that... and quite frankly, the posts in question did read like spam. Aug 26 04:30:00 Particularly after numerous people including myself had already made mention of PC. Aug 26 04:30:18 Hendikins: fair enough, deleted. Aug 26 04:30:21 Yeah, I'm sure there's a ton of hardware with NDA's on it still. :< Aug 26 04:30:40 SineOt: heh Aug 26 04:30:44 Like the Touchpad Go. Aug 26 04:30:55 That beautiful little tablet that will never get to live. Aug 26 04:31:14 One never knows with HP.. Aug 26 04:31:20 rwhitby: The user in question is most welcome to contact me about it though. Aug 26 04:31:26 I am really enjoying webOS too. I am definitely keeping it! I always said it was a great OS but never got one for some reason Aug 26 04:31:32 o.O do not share this dump of open source software because it's underground. I don't fully understand that Aug 26 04:31:33 Tomorrow they could say the changed their mind, as randomly as they dropped it all lol Aug 26 04:32:15 plan is still the same tomorrow a yesterday - HP wants to become a software company. Aug 26 04:32:45 unless they decide to up and fire Leo. but clearly they knew what they were getting when they picked him. Aug 26 04:32:45 as long as Leo is CEO, at least, rwatkins-mbp Aug 26 04:32:48 Hendikins: in the aussie app catalog thread on PC Aug 26 04:33:10 I hear Jobs has some free time, maybe he could help out lol Aug 26 04:33:31 oh well. too tired. I'm sure I'll figure it out in 10 minutes with fresh eyes tomorrow. Aug 26 04:33:41 * Hendikins takes a wander over, although Whirlpool channels would be better. Aug 26 04:36:45 echo Aug 26 04:36:53 err, but not in that window Aug 26 04:38:13 Hendikins: I sent her a PM to contact you Aug 26 04:38:30 Hendikins: and thanks for being a reasonable go-between Aug 26 04:40:07 * Hendikins posts at P|C anyway, since a few people have commented on it. Aug 26 04:45:14 I'm probably the only one on the Whirlpool mod team using both this channel and PC. Aug 26 04:45:57 woukd it be possible to add msn messenger as a service Aug 26 04:46:43 Apparently someone at some point will be working on adding it. Maybe. Aug 26 04:47:41 facebook chat would also be good Aug 26 04:48:06 to has most messenger services but msn Aug 26 04:48:14 Hrm, sounds like reviving the messaging plugins project. Aug 26 04:48:43 FB I could live without.. I need MSN. I use it for work, and at home, it's a must. Aug 26 04:48:53 remember doing that on the ills palmpre Aug 26 04:48:59 old Aug 26 04:51:54 I home someone comes up with a good way.. the current one via google and jabber just doesn't cut it for me. Aug 26 04:52:53 the to is also unable to login to live account Aug 26 05:03:37 I just received my touchpad. I love the thing, but my #1 complaint is the lack of computer geek type apps... I am looking for a ssh client, remote desktop client, irc client, etc... Do any of these exist? Aug 26 05:04:01 Some do, you'll need to install preware on it.. Aug 26 05:04:11 Speaking of stuff like that... I wonder what happened to that Qt port. Aug 26 05:04:23 These type of apps existed many years ago on my silly windows mobile phone of all things :) Aug 26 05:04:48 Yout WinMo phone was around for longer than month though :p Aug 26 05:05:09 I know, but I figured webos has been around for a bit, and some of these would have been ported over from something existing fairly quickly. Aug 26 05:05:10 pc500 yep with preware Aug 26 05:05:36 ok well the OTA update is broken, waiting for HP's servers to stop dieing Aug 26 05:05:37 i wouldnt mind a nice ssh client either Aug 26 05:05:46 use webos doctor Aug 26 05:06:41 one more thing -- any possibly way to hook my USB 3g cell dongle to the thing? Aug 26 05:06:59 or is some sort of wifi intermediary the only real solution? Aug 26 05:07:26 The latter. Aug 26 05:07:28 I've tethered mine to my android phone using wifi tether np Aug 26 05:07:45 I've got a data usb dongle thing... Aug 26 05:08:16 I guess one of those cradlepoint routers is the best solution Aug 26 05:08:37 my phone does wifi tether, but it gets super-hot and the battery lasts a fabulous 20 minutes. Aug 26 05:08:51 If I plug it in its ok though Aug 26 05:09:18 * Hendikins picked up a Sierra AirCard 753S. Problem solved. Aug 26 05:09:44 Mine is a Verizon 4g LTE device (USA) Aug 26 05:10:09 But... another device to lug around/charge. Aug 26 05:10:56 and my phone only ad-hoc ( Aug 26 05:10:59 :( Aug 26 05:15:49 Hmmm.... What do you do for movies? run them through handbrake/something to a more friendly format? Aug 26 05:16:42 touchplayer is an ffmpeg-based player, recently added to the feeds Aug 26 05:19:23 nice. I'll try it. Aug 26 05:19:51 Can it chew up video without too much chop (IE: maybe the internal x264 implementation is far more optimized). Aug 26 05:19:53 ooh.. will have to check out touchplayer too Aug 26 05:20:05 but that sounds awesome. no screwing around. Aug 26 05:20:11 I just wish this thing had an SD card slot :) Aug 26 05:20:13 there's also an mplayer for webos, but I don't know if that runs well on the touchpad Aug 26 05:20:15 I've been using handbrake so far myself, but it's a PIA Aug 26 05:20:26 dwc-: it doesn't, I tried it Aug 26 05:51:19 don't need a sdcard slot when you have 50GB box.net Aug 26 05:51:39 yeah, who would ever want to use a tablet outside a wifi hotspot? Aug 26 05:51:53 that'd be dumb, just use it at starbucks and at home, obviously you don't want to travel with it Aug 26 05:52:11 it's not like i flew 31,565 miles this summer and would've liked a tablet for the flights Aug 26 05:52:21 pc500: getting started doc here: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide.html Aug 26 05:52:41 pc500: as you can tell, i agree with your sentiment, sd card slots are worth their weight in gold Aug 26 05:53:07 AMR-1: - SD card slot is simple/cheap way to buy memory, and simple/cheap was to double/triple memory when it's dirt cheap in 2 years. Aug 26 05:53:18 true story Aug 26 05:53:29 but more importantly, easy way to move, say, 10 gigabytes of movies, quickly. Aug 26 05:53:35 and it'd raise the cost of the device like, $7 Aug 26 05:54:04 box.net is swappable on the fly... if you can watch 50gb of movies in one sitting more power to ya. Aug 26 05:54:35 AMR-1: it requires a data connection, and a quick one if you want to watch a movie Aug 26 05:54:48 streaming dvd quality video over 3G? good luck :| Aug 26 05:54:57 and box.net must download the 500mb movies before it will play I believe? Aug 26 05:55:07 ohh neat, it streams. Aug 26 05:55:10 pad has 32GB built in... Aug 26 05:55:13 but really, waste of bandwidth Aug 26 05:55:21 or airplane Aug 26 05:56:03 I hate to sound like a broken record player... But please take non-webOS development discussion to #touchpad. Thank you. Aug 26 05:56:29 Guys Aug 26 05:56:33 I have an idea. Aug 26 05:56:51 dosn't need to stream. you sync it while connected and watch 32gb while not connected. why don't you try it before you start wanting... Aug 26 05:56:52 dkirker: The browser isn't hardware accelerated, right? Aug 26 05:56:58 Tibfib: http://i.imgur.com/Jqs1T.jpg !! Aug 26 05:57:48 kesne: iirc Aug 26 05:57:55 I *think* Aug 26 05:58:02 Okay, so yeah, I read it right. Aug 26 05:58:04 But apps are. Aug 26 05:58:06 dkirker: sorry. Aug 26 05:58:15 Tommy: I can do 25 megabits/second over 3G in a good spot, so it could happen under ideal conditions. Aug 26 05:58:37 er, that /second was redundant. I need sleep. Aug 26 05:58:38 25?! nice Aug 26 05:58:48 So, couldn't you do some ajax calls, get raw html source, and dump it into an app? Therefore, accelerated browser? Aug 26 05:58:57 hucksy: Yeah. HSPA+ DC in an area that isn't congested. Aug 26 05:59:43 http://speedtest.net/result/1442582822.png - down at Dinner Plain, Victoria, Australia. Aug 26 06:00:00 wow Aug 26 06:00:02 need :D Aug 26 06:00:06 xbmc would be awesome ) Aug 26 06:00:08 :) Aug 26 06:00:09 The ping wasn't great because my traffic was going to Sydney via Adelaide, but the throughput was there. Aug 26 06:00:12 I get ~25 megabit on verizon lte Aug 26 06:00:15 (USA) Aug 26 06:00:23 but it's 5 gig/month cap (or you pay) Aug 26 06:00:47 Hendikins: Gurl, that's nothing. Aug 26 06:00:53 I'm on 7/month, but with some unmetered content. Aug 26 06:00:59 kesne: For 3G? Aug 26 06:01:09 Hendikins: Oh, well then, I take it back. Aug 26 06:01:15 ;) Aug 26 06:01:46 Hendikins: what network are you on? Aug 26 06:01:56 Hendikins: but ADSL is very expensive in AUS Aug 26 06:01:57 i've never heard of such speeds, and if you're using a speedtest app or something i don't trust that's true Aug 26 06:02:06 if you need a flat Aug 26 06:02:19 my sister lifes in australia Aug 26 06:02:30 Hendikins: oh you already answered that, my bad Aug 26 06:02:53 anyways, the point stands, box.net is not an acceptable replacement for storage on your phone Aug 26 06:03:12 *lives Aug 26 06:05:40 Tommy: I get http://www.speedtest.net/result/1450825276.png with mine.. $49 a month and I get 65GB peak/100GB offpeak traffic Aug 26 06:06:12 Radix-wrk: i get http://www.speedtest.net/result/910687938.png unlimited up and down, $65/mo Aug 26 06:06:28 i'd speedtest again now but i'm on wifi and don't have N, so it'd just show 22/22 Aug 26 06:06:39 yeah, wish I had that upload Aug 26 06:06:50 damn right you do Aug 26 06:06:56 hopefully when the NBN hits we'll get something similar Aug 26 06:07:06 Radix-wrk: i'm hoping to move to ausfailure in like, february/march Aug 26 06:07:12 =) Aug 26 06:07:25 just got back yesterday haha Aug 26 06:07:29 heh Aug 26 06:07:40 * rwhitby joins dkirker in pointing to the /topic Aug 26 06:07:56 Radix-wrk: you dev for webos? Aug 26 06:08:13 wasn't it changed to WebOS? Aug 26 06:08:17 or did I misread that Aug 26 06:08:18 nah, just a newfound user Aug 26 06:08:24 (speaking of the topic, that is) Aug 26 06:08:42 I'm a dev, but not for mobile stuff (yet) Aug 26 06:08:45 Radix-wrk: touchpad? Aug 26 06:08:56 yeah, I got the HN special Aug 26 06:09:04 of course Aug 26 06:09:15 i wanna code for webos, i wish it used java Aug 26 06:09:20 or rather.. the wife did.. when i called her up and told her to get down to the local store pronto Aug 26 06:09:56 System.out.println("WebOS is probably the least supported mobile platform on the planet, developers seem to hate it. Maybe it's the 0.7% marketshare that leads them to believe they won't sell many apps?"); Aug 26 06:10:13 webOS dev is easy peasy with java x) Aug 26 06:11:50 Is there a good ebook reader for technical .pdfs ? Aug 26 06:12:14 The adobe one doesn't produce clear text, especially at any zoom level, and seems like all text is rendered as graphics and not text Aug 26 06:12:18 rwhitby: I love you. Aug 26 06:12:25 Nobody answered my prior question Aug 26 06:12:25 (for those unaware of the context, Tommy is a serial offender and has been kicked twice before as warnings) Aug 26 06:12:58 all he seems to do is try to convince people to drop webos here Aug 26 06:16:04 I'll lift the ban tomorrow. He's welcome to return if he does not re-offend. Aug 26 06:16:05 rwhitby: You remember that flash guy that came around a while ago? Aug 26 06:25:02 kesne: I don't. I'm an old man with a poor memory ;) Aug 26 06:25:33 rwhitby: Well then, nevermind :P Aug 26 06:27:59 so I hear that they got some Andy flavored touchpads floating around Aug 26 06:28:24 just booted Andy Aug 26 06:28:29 in touchdroid Aug 26 06:28:36 hells yeah Aug 26 06:29:02 I was actually looking at getting one of those Aug 26 06:29:11 nothing works, but its a step Aug 26 06:29:19 #touchdroid Aug 26 06:29:47 gentlemen, realise that there is zero tolerance here at the moment. Aug 26 06:29:59 right on Aug 26 06:29:59 Zero tolerance for what? Aug 26 06:30:02 zero tolerance for what? Aug 26 06:30:10 Off-topic chitchat Aug 26 06:30:16 ? Aug 26 06:30:20 For the newcomers, we've been having a lot of trolling/offtopic discussion in here. Aug 26 06:30:22 really? Aug 26 06:30:28 There is no tolerance for it. Aug 26 06:30:31 Hello - i have abasic question, real quicklike Aug 26 06:30:32 what the hell does that have to do with anything? Aug 26 06:30:34 Oh that doesn't sound good Aug 26 06:30:37 how do I close the tag? Aug 26 06:30:45 zero tolerance for a retaliation attack Aug 26 06:30:47 anyone using comicshelf hd ? Aug 26 06:30:48 you cant talk off-topic? Aug 26 06:30:51 TouchPad discussion in #touchpad, Androind on TouchPad in #touchdroid and webOS development here. Aug 26 06:30:56 why does everyone with a ban stick have to be a power hungry asshole Aug 26 06:31:03 synth: Aug 26 06:31:08 must say probably got the last of the dev TPs delivered today Aug 26 06:31:09 because the trolls are feeding? Aug 26 06:31:13 wow.... Aug 26 06:31:36 codenomics: +b without kick, IIRC, is essentially a mute. Aug 26 06:31:46 huh? Aug 26 06:31:48 So Aug 26 06:31:51 +q Aug 26 06:31:58 Shadyman1: why are you telling me this? Aug 26 06:32:16 codenomics: You said wow. I figured it was towards srgaudio's +b Aug 26 06:32:16 Xavierdarkness: but it doesnt work!! its all the way down Aug 26 06:32:26 um... Aug 26 06:32:29 right Aug 26 06:32:49 synth: http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/_MARQUEE.html Aug 26 06:32:51 synth: will work if you did it right. Aug 26 06:33:05 synth: Make sure you don't leave any tags unclosed. Aug 26 06:33:17 Or improperly nested Aug 26 06:33:32 you guys are trolls :( Aug 26 06:33:48 Connection reset by beer? LOL Aug 26 06:33:51 trollface Aug 26 06:33:54 lol Aug 26 06:34:01 beer Aug 26 06:34:23 so uh.... Aug 26 06:34:37 anyone got a torch? Aug 26 06:34:46 I have one Aug 26 06:34:51 damn Aug 26 06:34:54 some to Texas and you can borrow it Aug 26 06:34:58 Blackberry or physical? Aug 26 06:35:05 dont want to borrow it Aug 26 06:35:05 :) Aug 26 06:35:09 I dont like torches Aug 26 06:35:10 I am talking about propane Aug 26 06:35:31 i prefer charcoal Aug 26 06:35:48 last I checked they don't make charcoal powered torches Aug 26 06:35:54 So uh what exactly is webos? Aug 26 06:36:16 cryptk: you were talking about propane... I prefer the taste of charcoal Aug 26 06:37:21 i think Xavierdarkness killed the channel Aug 26 06:37:32 he did Aug 26 06:37:39 seems to have put the chan into a logic loop Aug 26 06:37:56 Like what is it made of Aug 26 06:38:01 What does it run Aug 26 06:38:08 Rainbows? Aug 26 06:38:23 unicrons Aug 26 06:38:32 -(s) Aug 26 06:38:34 it is made out of puppy dogs and it run a mile in 6 minutes Aug 26 06:38:41 whoa Aug 26 06:38:43 Sugar and spice and everything nice? Aug 26 06:39:02 ew Aug 26 06:39:16 it is built on top of a linux distro called OpenEmbedded, runs applications made from web technologies like HTML, CSS and JavaScript Aug 26 06:39:19 the blood and seminal fluid of Steve Jobs? Aug 26 06:39:21 as well as C and C++ Aug 26 06:39:31 Oh what the hell Aug 26 06:39:38 Why wasn't I told of this Aug 26 06:40:06 because Aug 26 06:40:14 Samsung? Aug 26 06:40:16 you are EVIL Aug 26 06:40:19 EEEEEVIIIIIL Aug 26 06:40:41 I'm intrigued by the web technologies Aug 26 06:40:56 Man, I'm missing out apparently Aug 26 06:41:14 cryptk: so basically anything I can make for the web, can be an app? Aug 26 06:41:34 * drewtang running out to buy a pre Aug 26 06:41:44 drewtang: liar Aug 26 06:42:28 Xavierdarkness, anything you make for the web could be easily adapted Aug 26 06:50:09 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Aug 26 06:50:13 whoa Aug 26 06:50:18 apparently I got unmuted Aug 26 06:51:09 Heh Aug 26 06:52:09 well that lasted long Aug 26 06:52:23 not sure what is going on but GN Aug 26 06:52:31 g'night LoneStar99 Aug 26 06:52:43 LoneStar99: neither am I Aug 26 06:54:02 laters rwhitby chat tomara Aug 26 06:54:13 good night LoneStar99 Aug 26 06:54:28 dkirker: will multi-package apps cause the For TouchPad marking to be enabled? Aug 26 06:54:38 laters dkirker Aug 26 06:54:48 Web os is intriguing for what I am majoring in...thanks for the info Aug 26 06:55:01 rwhitby: It should. :) If it is not, please drop me an email with the packages that it isn't, and some details on how they were submitted. Aug 26 06:55:07 Xavierdarkness: you're welcome. any time. Aug 26 06:55:54 dkirker: going to try and merge the mojo and enyo phd packages this weekend Aug 26 06:56:19 HP needs to hire me already Aug 26 06:56:49 Xavierdarkness, there are frameworks in place to use as well, for webOS 2.X and below it is called Mojo... 3.X uses Enyo Aug 26 06:56:51 kesne: you want to get hired onto a sinking ship? Aug 26 06:56:56 look into those to find out how it all works ;) Aug 26 06:57:02 Grue_: Trolololo Aug 26 06:57:06 Grue_: If they're paying me, why not? Aug 26 06:57:28 kesne: good point Aug 26 06:57:41 dkirker: Tell people there to hire me Aug 26 06:57:47 Shadyman1: oh noez, you used the trolololol song Aug 26 06:58:05 cryptk: k will do. Aug 26 07:07:03 Xavierdarkness: i'm glad to see you have such a genuine interest in webOS development Aug 26 07:07:12 there can never be too much developer support for a platform Aug 26 07:10:33 Certainly will be interesting for web development. Aug 26 07:12:28 gentlemen, we're fully aware you joined in reponse to a "call to arms" in another channel. feel free to participate as anyone else with on-topic discussion. Aug 26 07:14:00 lol, call to arms Aug 26 07:14:17 'sif i recruited you with a trumpet, reading a scroll aloud to the villagers Aug 26 07:29:57 night douchefucks Aug 26 07:33:02 Anybody here? Aug 26 07:33:38 kesne: PDunny is here Aug 26 07:33:54 Any developers here? Aug 26 07:33:57 How should I delete my ext3fs? Aug 26 07:34:17 I am not a developer lmao I am a researcher Aug 26 07:34:29 HUGE difference Aug 26 07:38:10 PDunny: will answer in #webos-internals Aug 26 07:51:56 Hrm, I really seem to have hit a nerve with those deletions on Whirlpool. Aug 26 07:54:59 Hendikins: yes, it seems this whole firesale situation has caused increased irritation and lowered tolerance all over. Aug 26 08:26:52 anyone find one? Aug 26 08:27:57 local BB had 19...but essentially they were gone before they opened. Aug 26 08:32:10 hey guys tell me about your hottest app taht you using Aug 26 08:32:36 because there a tons of amterials but personal is everytime better than from a news article Aug 26 08:34:16 Hottest app? I only use one it's comicshelf. Aug 26 08:46:19 Technikfreak, are you talking homebrew or official app? Aug 26 08:46:30 homebrew Aug 26 08:46:34 bnecause offical are boring Aug 26 08:46:36 :-) Aug 26 08:46:40 Preware Aug 26 08:46:46 best homebrew app Aug 26 08:47:03 but then again... I may be biased... Aug 26 08:48:06 for official apps... Glimpse is pretty awesome Aug 26 08:49:55 Everyone have good news about HP Touchpad? where to buy?... damn... Aug 26 08:50:37 I see glimpse is currently free if you are in the US Aug 26 09:21:56 is there a good icq messenger Aug 26 09:24:03 people use ICQ? Aug 26 09:24:09 and not that I know of Aug 26 09:25:24 looks like IM+ in the app cat can do ICQ Aug 26 10:03:09 webos' messenger is libpurple isn't it? Aug 26 10:03:46 I believe so, I can check real fast, one moment Aug 26 10:04:21 /usr/lib/libpurple.so.0.5.1 Aug 26 10:04:36 so adding icq support sounds like a job for webos internals ;) Aug 26 10:05:06 yep, the messenger does use libpurple Aug 26 10:05:25 and adding icq would be a job for homebrew... not specifically WOSI Aug 26 10:06:17 close enough Aug 26 10:06:35 and lsof confirmed that the messenger does use that lib Aug 26 10:06:36 The difference is significant. Aug 26 10:06:38 at any rate, plenty of fun stuff in the webos sources which just needs a rebuild with the right flags - and some ui hacking Aug 26 10:06:49 lo libpurple files in sue while messenger is offline... several in use when I go available Aug 26 10:06:50 easy peasy ¬_¬ Aug 26 10:07:21 and directhex, Hendikins is correct... there is a huge difference between WOSI and the greater whole of homebrew Aug 26 10:07:31 we are just a small piece of the homebrew puzzle Aug 26 10:07:59 One could say a Pivotal piece. Aug 26 10:08:12 you said it... not me ;) Aug 26 10:09:30 ...and that one just went through to the keeper. Aug 26 10:09:58 ??? Aug 26 10:10:13 the keeper? Aug 26 10:37:00 So I've just purchased a couple of apps on the Australian WebOS App store - but cmon.. only 15 paid apps listed - devs you need to fix your app listings if you want sales!!! Aug 26 10:41:25 Radix-wrk: you mean move to another platform since webos is now dead ;( Aug 26 10:41:32 scumbag hp Aug 26 10:42:08 What? Aug 26 10:42:19 HP don't offer any support for developers? o.O Aug 26 10:42:34 Well if all they can come up with is 15 apps then bring on android or something else for the touchpad Aug 26 10:43:37 for the moment, I'm happy enough with Kalemsoft's media player, nomnomnom and comicshelfHD, but there's so many missing Aug 26 10:44:28 I actually quite like WebOS from the brief amount I've played with it Aug 26 10:45:39 * jrabbit would like to see a dex/android emulation level on webos Aug 26 10:45:57 no need to port android, just the apps Aug 26 10:49:44 Radix-wrk, Australia and New-Zealand have only recently recieved access to paid apps Aug 26 10:50:15 phoque_uni: yeah, I know.. yadda yadda.. I'd been waiting, but to turn it on and only have 15 apps available is pretty sad Aug 26 10:50:36 I've got the mail only yesterday Aug 26 10:50:52 it takes time for everybody to bring their apps over Aug 26 10:51:11 why? surely it's just a checkbox to say - yes, sell in au Aug 26 10:51:24 http://goo.gl/ktYTQ Aug 26 10:51:45 Radix-wrk, yes, maybe. Still, people have other stuff to do too. Aug 26 10:52:01 like find a new job ;) Aug 26 10:52:20 most of the time you'll have to wait for approval, even if you only change the metadata Aug 26 10:52:32 give it a few days Aug 26 10:56:27 Radix-wrk, it is up to the developers to sell their apps in other countries... not HP Aug 26 10:56:48 HP gave them the capability... it is up to the devs to use it Aug 26 10:57:01 cryptk: I don't believe I ever blamed HP Aug 26 10:57:16 you didn't... I was just clarifying Aug 26 11:01:07 hm. the rumour i've heard is major UK mobile phone chain Carphone Warehouse has been buying all the webos hardware they can get their hands on. touchpads as free gifts on overpriced contracts with low-end phones; pre3 available only on contract (with a cost over 24 months of over £750, with unlimited data) Aug 26 11:02:38 HP sell again device or not? Aug 26 11:02:46 is 2 days we don't have a news Aug 26 11:02:57 and i found only on ebay at crazy price. Aug 26 11:04:43 i wish i can ask people who buy them at ebay, why you buy them Aug 26 11:05:24 But is coming new device from HP or not? Aug 26 11:05:56 may be HP's selling at ebay :-) Aug 26 11:06:04 haha Aug 26 11:06:30 come on dude i don't joke... Aug 26 11:06:49 anyone use comicshelfhd? I've put my comics (in cbr/cbz format in the comics folder) but they don't seem to be detected.. Aug 26 11:07:50 may be they have only created the 'put comics folder feature' only when the HP stopped the project Aug 26 11:08:15 ur funny Aug 26 11:10:27 anybody know the stats of how many products HP sent for HP orders, how many still going to be shipped state Aug 26 11:11:03 i think HP must be having a huge list of orders already Aug 26 11:15:39 God iMarck90 is still whinging about not getting a $100 tablet? Aug 26 11:17:03 Khaytsus God, do you see some news? i No, i see you can only buy on ebay Aug 26 11:17:08 and no support for developers Aug 26 11:17:18 You could have bought one any time since June. Aug 26 11:17:22 Even Nokia has done better Aug 26 11:17:35 with MeeGo, gift device to developers Aug 26 11:17:41 and offer support. Aug 26 11:17:50 Not on Italy. Aug 26 11:18:13 We don't have any device with webOS 3 on Italy. Aug 26 11:19:57 Hey Aug 26 11:20:15 hrm, ended up banned from #touchdroid for some reason while I was asleep lol Aug 26 11:20:21 * Ironsight shrugs Aug 26 11:20:41 anywho Aug 26 11:21:05 Any one seen new apps hit the webos store lately? Aug 26 11:21:18 Humm HP seem to gone back on their word in regards to the pre 3 firesale in the UK Aug 26 11:21:34 Giving me the option of cancelling my order or buying for £299 Aug 26 11:21:35 well, that sucks Aug 26 11:21:45 What? Aug 26 11:21:56 Even though they said they would refund it down to around £100 and throw in some accessories Aug 26 11:21:58 That's childish Aug 26 11:22:50 could just about justify £199 for an EOL phone but £299 is a joke. Aug 26 11:23:10 I never spend more than 200 for a phone Aug 26 11:23:47 Course all I do is "talk" on the phone Aug 26 11:24:10 Data plans in the usa are outrageous Aug 26 11:24:38 I pay ~25 dollar a month for my 2 cell phones Aug 26 11:29:06 yo Aug 26 11:29:24 Ironsight: $25 a month for two cell phones isn't bad Aug 26 11:29:34 tomhut, fortunately, given my employers paid for my pre3, the firesale wouldn't make a difference to me ;) Aug 26 11:29:46 directhex: I hate you :) Aug 26 11:30:19 and £300 is cheap for a decent smartphone Aug 26 11:30:20 directhex: kidding, of course! Aug 26 11:30:24 I built my own phone Aug 26 11:30:26 hows that Aug 26 11:30:34 N9 is rumoured to be ~£520 when it ships Aug 26 11:30:47 directhex: Just can't justify £300 for an phone with an unknown future Aug 26 11:31:00 directhex: yes the N9 is going to be a very hard sell Aug 26 11:31:09 directhex: though i do want one very badly Aug 26 11:31:55 in fact my phone even has my name on the inside of it ;) Aug 26 11:32:12 well... my alias Aug 26 11:32:15 cryptk: pics or it didn't happen Aug 26 11:32:53 How do I make a RadioGroup stretch itself to let me set an icon bigger than 32x32? Aug 26 11:33:17 tomhut, my phone is the first sprint Pre2 to have working app catalog Aug 26 11:33:31 cryptk: very nice Aug 26 11:33:49 HP remove the badge coming soon Aug 26 11:33:50 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do?landing=rts_tablet&category=16GB&catLevel=1&storeName=storefronts&lanAttr=Type&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg_ipg/rts_tablet/16GB_HP_TouchPad Aug 26 11:34:03 I really think there is no more device. Aug 26 11:41:58 My touchpad case just arrived, it's nice but... there is no way to fasten the front! Aug 26 11:42:36 Alanrogers: yes, the front falls down bit when on the touchstone dock Aug 26 11:43:05 Alanrogers: magnet would have been nice like in the smart cover Aug 26 11:43:16 jackster, we piggybacked our in-law's family plan :) Aug 26 11:43:43 Tomhut - Seems a bit of a schoolboy error - going to have to an elastic band! :-) Aug 26 11:43:52 I figure the phone company has been screwin people over since forever, might aswell do the same to them from time to time Aug 26 11:44:40 Still now I can prop it up and use it to read PDFs on my desk while writing Aug 26 11:45:26 That would be great for a coding refference pdf Alanrogers :) Aug 26 11:46:09 Yeah, it's great for me - I can write on the PC and use the touchpad for the reference material - very nice when used in conjunction with box.net Aug 26 11:46:17 My case for the Galaxy Tab has the elastic band Aug 26 11:46:45 works decent Aug 26 11:49:05 Just seems odd to be to release a protection case which doesn't actually you know close... but I guess that's Palm/HP all over - nice idea, shame about the execution. Aug 26 11:52:28 Yes, they seem to go above and beyond in come areas and just slack in others. Aug 26 11:52:47 Actually Alanrogers, HP are really good at executions. Aug 26 11:52:51 The packaging for example is superb, rivals that of apple. Aug 26 11:53:36 Yes, the packaging is real nice - nice how it's also consistant between the touchpad itself and the case. Aug 26 11:53:41 Radix-wrk - hah Aug 26 11:53:44 And the touchstone Aug 26 11:53:45 ;) Aug 26 11:55:56 Ashame i need to send my touchpad to ho for repair, came with a big dent in one corner Aug 26 11:56:29 Here's a real simple example of the difference between apple and HP - if you go to apple to find the ipod or the iphone or the like, you can guess where they will be apple.com/iphone or apple.com/ipad at HP, they seem to appear in about three or four pages and the urls are all hp.com/store/45645.jsp.45466./ptromo/.456346 Aug 26 11:56:46 Alanrogers: haha so true Aug 26 11:59:08 Hum... Carphone warehouse still have my Pre3 order as "pending" - guess they are too busy to change it to "cancelled" Aug 26 12:00:20 yes, this whole thing has been badly communicated by hp and the retails Aug 26 12:00:53 though i guess they are trying to spend as little money/time as possible on this. Aug 26 12:01:16 lack of planning can't of helped Aug 26 12:01:58 I was trying to find the engadget article about my phone.... but it seems to be lost to the nether of interwebs past Aug 26 12:02:52 who wrote it Aug 26 12:05:16 and I kicked my power cord... :( Aug 26 12:05:56 there we go Aug 26 12:08:50 hahahahaha http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/08/26/humour-drawing-of-an-hp-touchpad-hits-ebay-bidding-now-over-80000/ Aug 26 12:12:12 omfg it's real Aug 26 12:12:14 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170687176878#ht_570wt_1189 Aug 26 12:12:21 haha i saw Aug 26 12:12:31 omg Aug 26 12:12:48 lets be honest though, they are not going to pay. Aug 26 12:12:48 at least 25% is going to the william j clinton foundation Aug 26 12:13:06 maybe someone from hp bid on it Aug 26 12:13:18 since they took their dev touchpad Aug 26 12:13:21 Ironsight: na a bunch of people are bidding stupid money Aug 26 12:15:01 alright lunch time, be back later Aug 26 12:16:45 * rwhitby wishes Android people would realise that the Android TouchPad was not a dev device. Look at the "Production Test Tool" app icon! Aug 26 12:17:09 his drawing has more features than the real one Aug 26 12:17:22 it has 8 icons Aug 26 12:17:28 at the button Aug 26 12:17:33 bottom* Aug 26 13:13:35 wow Aug 26 13:13:39 so there's no more promo codes Aug 26 13:15:39 heh, looks like hp shipped my cancelled order for a 32gb touchpad - at 125 Aug 26 13:16:11 CTLAdvance - good stuff Aug 26 13:16:51 yep Aug 26 13:17:00 Now I can send back the loaner Aug 26 13:17:29 why send it back ? Aug 26 13:17:55 yeah, why send it back? Aug 26 13:18:05 you get to buy that at discounted price also Aug 26 13:18:09 if you keep it, they will charge you fire sale prices Aug 26 13:18:12 in case you missed the memo Aug 26 13:19:53 I only need one, I also have a galaxy tab 10.1, plus the one I just got was for 125, the developer device was 149 + 18 s&h no additional discounts Aug 26 13:20:31 unless I talk the wife into wanting it Aug 26 13:20:37 a little off topic, but anyone have a google+ invite I could use? Aug 26 13:20:37 but I doubt that she will Aug 26 13:20:47 i can send you one Aug 26 13:20:52 thanks :) Aug 26 13:21:29 Hello some news? Aug 26 13:21:39 Hurricane will hit soon Aug 26 13:22:10 yep Aug 26 13:22:15 Hurricane? o.O Aug 26 13:22:17 it will be a tropical storm Aug 26 13:22:20 when it hits here Aug 26 13:23:00 I'm on webOS chat or Marvel Super heroes o.O Aug 26 13:23:36 Is that mutually exclusive? Aug 26 13:26:36 Do you think HP sell today the latest devices? Aug 26 13:27:01 hp hurricane sale Aug 26 13:27:08 fxspec06: where r u located? Aug 26 13:27:56 Well.. i really hope to get one... and this war finally is over for me.. Aug 26 13:34:29 good morning guys. if i wanted to hack up the version of enyo on my device, what do i need to learn to figure out how to do that? assuming that is possible. Aug 26 13:45:24 define "hack up" Aug 26 13:53:04 I'm happy for someone to sell a TP to me xD Aug 26 13:53:10 If they have any going spare like :P Aug 26 13:53:43 yeah, you and me both Aug 26 13:53:48 xD Aug 26 13:54:01 NuttyBunny_TP: just want to make some changes to some of the js Aug 26 13:54:05 I was ready before they announced the cut here in the UK too Aug 26 13:54:20 only thing I didn't do was reserve one, didn't occur to me that they'd be THAT scarce Aug 26 13:56:19 It's the price that did it - most people don't care that it's a touchpad, all they know is that something shiny was £400 and is now £89. People are being a lot more sharp with the Pre3, everyone is ordering them up full-price and hoping for a refund or price adjustment (that's what I've done) Aug 26 13:57:36 I can't afford to do that - nor would I want to anyway Aug 26 13:57:43 huge risk based on rumour Aug 26 13:57:52 and that's what pisses me off about the TP Aug 26 13:58:04 the vast majority of buyers don't give a natt's crotchet about webOS :( Aug 26 13:58:12 whereas I do but couldn't get one! ='( Aug 26 13:58:17 *plays tiny violin* Aug 26 13:59:04 EricBlade: You can use the SDk to connect to your device and mess around all the files :-) Aug 26 13:59:59 NuttyBunny_TP: ya, i'm trying to figure out -how- to do that. everyone says i can just get a terminal up by running novacom, but novacom is apparently expecting some sort of command line parameters to make it work, and i don't know what to give it Aug 26 14:00:33 "novaterm" gives you a terminal Aug 26 14:00:38 it's a wrapper around novacom Aug 26 14:00:43 yeah no such file Aug 26 14:00:57 if you set a password on your developer mode, first issue novaterm -r YOURPASSWORD -c login Aug 26 14:01:02 EricBlade, then you fucked up your SDK Aug 26 14:01:26 hmm. i ran the installer. it didn't include it. Aug 26 14:01:28 palm-novacom: /opt/Palm/novacom/novaterm Aug 26 14:04:58 nah, there's no "novaterm" included Aug 26 14:05:08 bat exe com or otherwise Aug 26 14:07:39 http://www.precentral.net/white-touchpad-unboxed-found-be-most-panda-like-tablet-yet-1 Aug 26 14:07:50 good god that's a terrible font Aug 26 14:08:00 on the ver of novaterm i was able to locate on the web Aug 26 14:08:34 and it throws up an application exception every time i press a key. jesus Aug 26 14:09:21 Eric, what version of novaterm and what version of windows? Aug 26 14:17:12 rboatright: found one, the one linked here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux works Aug 26 14:17:48 hmm. read only file system. Aug 26 14:18:11 http://www.ebay.com/itm/180715601210?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1202 Aug 26 14:19:06 hmm. i see that at least some apps on my device include their own version of the enyo kit. is that normal / common ? Aug 26 14:26:54 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170687176878#ht_500wt_1287 Aug 26 14:27:36 oh lordy,either the built in "vi" doesn't accept arrow keys or the novacom doesn't send them properly. woooooooooo. *tries to remember VI commands from 1985* Aug 26 14:32:14 * Ironsight uses nano Aug 26 14:32:51 I don't know how people get into emacs though Aug 26 14:33:34 Maybe I think it's silly that emacs is JUST A FRIGGAN EDITOR and doesn't need to be complicated just for the sake of being complicated... Aug 26 14:36:01 if you ever want a headache, sit down with emacs for about an hour trying to figure out how to edit a file Aug 26 14:38:24 Still no update from HP/Palm on Promo Codes for regions other than the US :( Aug 26 14:39:06 Ironsight: emacs isn't an editor, it's an operating system Aug 26 14:39:13 emacs is a way of life Aug 26 14:39:16 EricBlade, is there a good text editor for it yet? Aug 26 14:39:49 directhex: i think it's the only operating system ever created that only has one Aug 26 14:40:48 rwhitby: heh. my brother came home to visit after spending 15 years in california. i come into my parents new place, he sees me, and immediately starts trying to start a vi-vs-emacs fight with me. i'm like.. dude, what? Aug 26 14:41:23 EricBlade: on the contrary, emacs contains many text editors ;) Aug 26 14:41:38 hexl-mode is my favourite Aug 26 14:41:57 Hoping the hurricane is coming today. Aug 26 14:42:15 i only ever found the one accessible by hitting ctrl-alt-esc-meta-[+rctrl+]+2 Aug 26 14:42:50 and then the cat walked across the middle of the keyboard Aug 26 14:42:55 and bam there was a text editor Aug 26 14:43:47 lol @ EricBlade Aug 26 14:44:19 it's bloated enough to be an os Aug 26 14:44:26 like what 200 megs? Aug 26 14:44:35 hey guys, what is richard kerris's email @ palm? Aug 26 14:45:52 A real windows phone... this is interesting Aug 26 14:45:52 http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/26/fujitsu-loox-f-07c-review/ Aug 26 14:47:10 rsanchez1: the obvious conjugation Aug 26 14:47:35 s/obvious/standard/ I guess Aug 26 14:48:11 CTLAdvance, have you ever used windows on a tablet, let alone a phone? Aug 26 14:48:14 ok thanks Aug 26 14:48:35 Yes actually I owned a windows 7 tablet, its really quite good Aug 26 14:48:38 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 26 14:48:48 though very chunky on intel architecture Aug 26 14:49:02 hp slate 500 Aug 26 14:49:03 ? Aug 26 14:49:23 that sucker looks thick Aug 26 14:50:31 that 6 pack offer is awesome, except for the fact that i dont have a touchpad Aug 26 14:50:40 dig'n my 6pack Aug 26 14:51:03 camera is lame tho :) Aug 26 14:52:07 audubon is a monster app Aug 26 14:52:19 wifie got sucked in to sparkle Aug 26 14:52:48 i cant get big boss Aug 26 14:52:55 glimpse is gonna take a little more experience b4 i understand Aug 26 14:52:58 i shoulda got it last night Aug 26 14:53:05 how long should that 6pack be available Aug 26 14:53:06 o hey anyone here want a promo code to my game Aug 26 14:53:09 my touchpad won't arrive til the 30th Aug 26 14:53:16 (glimpse is amazing) Aug 26 14:54:10 fxspec06, did you code that poker game in sdl? Aug 26 14:54:25 html / javascript / css Aug 26 14:54:30 haa Aug 26 14:54:33 ahh* Aug 26 14:54:42 what's sdl Aug 26 14:54:54 <--- likes promo codes for the TP Aug 26 14:54:58 * kevets still needs to set up his App Catalog account with a cc so he can use the promo code Aug 26 14:55:08 UK or US? Aug 26 14:55:11 it's a c++ library Aug 26 14:55:23 don't know C++ yet Aug 26 14:55:50 You could technically port your game as a facebook app then ;) Aug 26 14:55:56 get some advertising bucks Aug 26 14:56:21 yeah, i'd need to get rid of anything mojo Aug 26 14:56:27 like swapscene stuff pretty much Aug 26 14:56:33 that's mostly it Aug 26 14:56:41 tried to use as little as possible Aug 26 14:57:05 I like to code in SDL myself since it's portable to windows/mac/linux Aug 26 14:57:26 gives you a larger audience Aug 26 14:57:38 Wow... I think webOS is going to have a huge user base now Aug 26 14:57:40 yeah i would too Aug 26 14:57:44 but don't know it lol Aug 26 14:57:45 Step 1 give devices away to everyone Aug 26 14:57:53 Step 2 give free apps away to everyone Aug 26 14:57:56 CTLAdvance: its true Aug 26 14:58:06 Step 3 License / Sell WebOS and launch new/better device Aug 26 14:58:10 make it up on volume Aug 26 14:58:11 Step 4 Profit? Aug 26 14:58:33 good news for hp, people are bricking their tablets trying to put android on it, sooo webos should still be popular Aug 26 14:58:37 I assume that palm is paying the devs for these Aug 26 14:58:50 Step 0 give devices away to developers Aug 26 14:58:50 CTLAdvance: if they do something about the perf and a lot more polish, maybe profit there Aug 26 14:58:58 I have a feeling that less than 5% will do that Aug 26 14:59:03 so I dont think they are worried Aug 26 14:59:12 No device for developer = no app = #FAIL Aug 26 14:59:31 I dunno, I know plenty of devs that picked one up Aug 26 14:59:38 good, keep bricking it Aug 26 14:59:44 exactly Aug 26 14:59:45 :) Aug 26 15:00:04 I think trsomers bricked his lol Aug 26 15:00:12 iMarck90: i have a device Aug 26 15:00:16 and i'm a developer Aug 26 15:00:29 i'm pretty sure any dev who wanted one got one Aug 26 15:00:35 You, not every developer Aug 26 15:00:37 and a javascript dev even, so it's even easier for your for dev for it Aug 26 15:00:49 c++ is a bit of a pain to setup Aug 26 15:00:59 HP don't have a plan for developer like Microsoft or Nokia. Aug 26 15:01:01 and they are def working on a solution, chuq said they're waiting til things die down a bit Aug 26 15:01:07 iMarck90: that's a lie Aug 26 15:01:19 So where is the device for developer? Aug 26 15:01:23 in my lap Aug 26 15:01:37 lol, any touchpad can be put into developer mode Aug 26 15:01:44 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aug 26 15:01:51 iMarck90: "free dev access" and "not having to go through insane hoops to get a dev account" is a big help. unfortunately, with no promise of ever being able to gain any more users, that's a problem Aug 26 15:01:59 I think most devs spend more than 99 dollars on tools Aug 26 15:02:03 iMarck90: i guess the $99 touchpad doesn't count Aug 26 15:02:14 iMarck90: or the $149 Aug 26 15:02:18 >.> Aug 26 15:02:24 yeah, hell, it's $99 a year just to get access to Apple's dev kit Aug 26 15:02:30 putting my touchpad into dev mode was actually really hard Aug 26 15:02:35 I know devs that spend big bucks to develope on ipad Aug 26 15:02:37 I see a lot of developers complaining that they couldn't get a $99 touchpad - and the Pre3 will be like Unicorn tears Aug 26 15:02:37 84°F Aug 26 15:02:38 but that's cause I can't seem to type up up down down right Aug 26 15:02:41 fxspec06 the problem is the device are not available Aug 26 15:02:43 pheew Aug 26 15:02:51 I keep typing upupdwondwon Aug 26 15:03:03 dcousineau: if you update to 3.0.2 the keyboard is -much- better Aug 26 15:03:04 iMarck90: right now they are not Aug 26 15:03:04 dwon Aug 26 15:03:12 iMarck90: but right now they are unavailable to anyone Aug 26 15:03:13 EricBlade: I'm making jokes :) Aug 26 15:03:25 WHATCHU TALKIN BOUT DWON!? Aug 26 15:03:27 dcousineau: and i'm going along with them! but the keyboard -is- much better in 3.0.2 Aug 26 15:03:31 iMarck90: shall I like to a public post by Chuq that says they will have a solution? Aug 26 15:03:36 grrrl don't you even be messin wit me Aug 26 15:03:38 and they are waiting Aug 26 15:03:44 fxspec06 what want you say? Aug 26 15:04:02 i can actually 5 finger type and still be mostly understandable with 3.0.2 Aug 26 15:04:22 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17655 Aug 26 15:04:22 the wireless keyboard would be nice Aug 26 15:04:25 doucineau: you can also type webos20090606 to activate developer mode Aug 26 15:04:30 i was about to throw this device out a window the keyboard was so unresponsive and inaccurate before Aug 26 15:04:30 The Developer Discount and Loaner programs are on hold now, so no new coupons will be sent out for the time being and we won't be issuing new loaners until we get this completely sorted out. We do expect the loaner program to be reinstated; we don't know about the discount program at this time. Aug 26 15:04:36 "on hold now" Aug 26 15:04:43 "until we get this completely sorted out" Aug 26 15:04:47 I read Aug 26 15:04:53 scasplte2: not NEARLY as much fun as typing in the konami kode and then kicking an android dev in the gonads Aug 26 15:04:58 okay, then what's the problem? Aug 26 15:05:00 lol Aug 26 15:05:13 The problem is simple get device before for developers and after for user. Aug 26 15:05:24 ugh Aug 26 15:05:26 i quit Aug 26 15:05:34 * dcousineau comforts fxspec06_ Aug 26 15:05:51 if ther'es one downside to the sudden TP popularity Aug 26 15:05:57 wild'n video poker doesn't like me :-( Aug 26 15:06:23 dcousineau: it's like highschool? Aug 26 15:06:24 If HP does not do something, Microsoft take all developers, they gift device, training and support Aug 26 15:06:34 you dont want to be popular because you're a cheap date? Aug 26 15:06:53 crashes every time I launch it Aug 26 15:06:58 no, bunch of new kids show up Aug 26 15:07:03 iMarck90: how long have you been in webos Aug 26 15:07:07 and how old are you Aug 26 15:07:09 j/w Aug 26 15:07:13 and are you a webos developer Aug 26 15:07:21 favorite color too.. Aug 26 15:07:24 I have people talking to me like I'm a retard and acting like they know everything about the platform Aug 26 15:07:26 hmm. i have a bunch of "screencaptures". how did i get those? Aug 26 15:07:27 yes and favorite color Aug 26 15:07:30 my friends in particular Aug 26 15:07:33 sorry fxspec06: I know I promised to write a review o.O Aug 26 15:07:50 Meanwhile I'm sitting there astounded wondering if they know how long i've been on the platform as a user and as a developer Aug 26 15:08:02 read: since almost day 1 Aug 26 15:08:05 (as a user) Aug 26 15:08:10 I was a lazy fucker about publishing Aug 26 15:08:24 I am interested in webOS from one year ago, but i still wait on Italy Aug 26 15:08:28 dcousineau: who cares what other people think? Aug 26 15:08:47 dcousineau: most people probably don't know who I am either...doesn't bother me Aug 26 15:08:47 and after this "promotion" don't really think is coming. Aug 26 15:09:00 iMarck90: no answer? Aug 26 15:09:03 LarrySteeze|Away: hell if I do. Doesn't make it less painful when people who actually *know* me think they can float one past me Aug 26 15:09:08 I answer fxspec Aug 26 15:09:22 LarrySteeze|Away: :P internet anons I can mute Aug 26 15:10:00 I'm an iOS Developer and MeeGo (i started recently) Aug 26 15:10:08 iMarck90: are you here to discuss webOS development? Aug 26 15:10:46 rwhitby: I hate to play devil's advocate, but I can understand why people wouldn't realize this is the "dev channel" Aug 26 15:11:08 unfortunately, most people don't read topics -_- Aug 26 15:11:40 LarrySteeze|Away: I award you the understatement of the week award :| Aug 26 15:12:23 Pivot works. I just purchased a couple apps from it Aug 26 15:12:42 rwhitby yes, but only because I have a different opinion from others, does not mean that i don't deserved respect from everyone. Aug 26 15:13:08 iMarck90: Are you a dev? Aug 26 15:13:19 Yes. Aug 26 15:13:45 cool Aug 26 15:13:56 anything published yet? Aug 26 15:14:06 (any platform) Aug 26 15:14:14 hi did someone now about the splash screen problem Aug 26 15:14:41 iOS only. Aug 26 15:14:43 ugh non webos comment, but whyyy do people insist on 2-space wide tabs? Aug 26 15:14:45 :| Aug 26 15:15:21 sweet! any plans on porting to webos? Aug 26 15:15:37 believe it or not, it's actually very easy Aug 26 15:15:39 dcousineau: anything other than 4 space drives me insane Aug 26 15:16:05 EricBlade: very true. Also want to beat TextMate over the head for being dumb when I try and reformat but that's another battle Aug 26 15:16:29 hmm. i need to play with this more extensively, but turning off swap seems to have made a marked increase in system response time Aug 26 15:17:03 iMarck90: here's a tip. discuss webOS development here, and keep opinions about platform comparisons for somewhere else Aug 26 15:17:19 iMarck90: I'd love to check out your apps and possibly help you port them to webOS. Aug 26 15:17:39 rwhitby hows it goin Aug 26 15:17:46 wow i didn't realize that these have 1gig ram. i figured 512 at best. that's exciting. Aug 26 15:18:24 iMarck90: you'll understand that the webOS community is not that receptive to folks coming in and making comments about the future or not of webOS. it's like stepping into someone funeral and shouting what a deadbeat the dead guy was. Aug 26 15:19:01 rwhitby: "If only Bob had done X, Y, and Z he wouldn't be dead. Seriously, it was like he was stupid or something" Aug 26 15:19:27 this sounds like a lot of the things i did yesterday. apologies if i offended anyone :( Aug 26 15:20:51 Why is it that the moment I start being supportive of iMarck90 and offer to help him with porting, he disappears? Aug 26 15:21:24 was he never truly interested in webos dev? Aug 26 15:21:57 likely not but *shrug* who knows Aug 26 15:22:07 its hard to distinguish trolls from those with not so great social skills Aug 26 15:22:26 we should give folks the benefit of the doubt, but make it very clear what behaviour is not acceptabel Aug 26 15:22:36 s/acceptabel/acceptable/ Aug 26 15:22:49 I agree, which is why I was offering to help him out Aug 26 15:22:50 Honestly, I have new ideas for webOS. But my application is for "Italian people" (it not a problem, i have new ideas). Aug 26 15:22:51 I have only 2 problem Aug 26 15:22:51 1) Don't have any device with webOS 3. I can really hope to buy it, but you know is a war. Aug 26 15:22:51 2) HP don't sell on Italy, devices had coming for end of year but after the announcement, i don't think they sell on Italy. Aug 26 15:22:51 So mine problem is the device. Aug 26 15:23:09 LarrySteeze i'm not only on IRC ;) Aug 26 15:23:29 rwhitby sorry, thanks for the tip. Aug 26 15:23:34 ah, so you are italian? Aug 26 15:23:52 I agree that it is difficult to develop for a device you don't have Aug 26 15:23:58 heh Aug 26 15:24:02 iMarck90: it's clear that HP has no plans for developer assitance in Italy. That's an unfortunate fact. Aug 26 15:24:03 there are of course the VM's, but it's not the same Aug 26 15:24:08 ask funkatron about releasing Spaz for the launch pre Aug 26 15:24:19 and finding out after the launch how different the Emulator and Device were Aug 26 15:24:40 rwhitby is because this, i'm really angry. Aug 26 15:25:18 iMarck90: and I doubt that will change. you should save yourself the anger and develop for another platform unless you are really really really keen to do webOS development. Aug 26 15:25:44 LarrySteeze|Away hope you can understand now, i'm not a troll. Aug 26 15:25:55 I never called you a troll Aug 26 15:26:04 I know, but you think ;) Aug 26 15:26:09 iMarck90: if you already have a successful app on another platform, you should contact @richardkerris on twitter, tell him what the app is, and ask for assistance in porting it Aug 26 15:26:11 I'd like to offer you assistance in developing for the platform in any way I can Aug 26 15:26:41 or anyone in dev relations for that matter Aug 26 15:27:03 (I don't mean to imply that I'm part of dev relations...I'm not.) Aug 26 15:27:36 anyway, I should probably be shopping to prepare for this hurricane before everyone else floods the store Aug 26 15:27:52 if someone has an app with thousands of downloads a week on iOS, they will get the red carpet treatment from devrel Aug 26 15:28:05 rwhitby thanks! Aug 26 15:28:17 I'll be back likely in a couple hours. Should there be anything I can help with, let me know. Aug 26 15:28:42 wow $825... and nobody bought them when they were full price? http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-64GB-Wi-Fi-9-7in-White-Super-Rare-/130567793283?pt=US_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item1e66726a83 Aug 26 15:28:55 kevets: it's the hype Aug 26 15:29:07 that's a rare 64GB white one Aug 26 15:29:10 yeah i understand, it just makes me laugh the craziest of it all Aug 26 15:29:17 SUPER rare! Aug 26 15:29:53 i don't recall them even being released really, were they? Aug 26 15:30:06 they were Aug 26 15:30:21 you could order them fro AT&T for a short time Aug 26 15:30:27 iirc Aug 26 15:30:29 anyone else here experiment with swap file settings, to attempt to improve performance on device? Aug 26 15:30:30 Larry Thanks too much! but the problem for me at this time is the device, if i have problem, can i contact you? Aug 26 15:31:07 Sure. I'd offer you a device, but I'm not so sure my "extra" devices are even coming anymore. Over 24 hours without a confirmation email Aug 26 15:31:33 otherwise, I also sent you a PM about additional contacts within HP Aug 26 15:32:25 the media killed the TP Aug 26 15:32:39 b/c they compare everything to apple or google Aug 26 15:32:54 or google or apple and apple or google Aug 26 15:32:54 And video killed the radio star Aug 26 15:33:01 iMarck90: should you need my assistance and I'm not here, I'm also @LarrySteeze on twitter. Aug 26 15:33:24 LoneStar99: Annoying part about the TP is it looks dead on an ipad if you don't see the HP logo on the back. Size, basic appearance, ratio etc Aug 26 15:33:34 YES! My update finally got approved!!!!! Aug 26 15:33:42 woot woot Aug 26 15:33:46 * LarrySteeze|Away has now closed the laptop monitor * Aug 26 15:33:46 in-app items now enabled Aug 26 15:33:52 webos 3 is everything i wanted <3 Aug 26 15:33:58 shame pre 3 won't be here Aug 26 15:34:19 someone have already a working vnc and ubuntun tp? Aug 26 15:34:21 Khaytsus: that is what i read in some mac magazine article Aug 26 15:34:44 Still wonder why Apple went after Samsung over "infringing" Aug 26 15:34:54 When part of their argument was purely appearances Aug 26 15:35:09 Okay, so most of Apple is "appearances" but that's another subject ;) Aug 26 15:36:35 I wish HP had picked a better plastic and oil resistant screen.. My wife's touchpad looks like a bunch of homeless children were playing with honey in the dirt while they used the thing. Aug 26 15:36:43 And she's had it two days Aug 26 15:37:00 I noticed that too, Khaytsus Aug 26 15:37:15 apple laptops are the shit, if i did not develop for webOS i would be interested in an iphone Aug 26 15:37:16 maybe they don't use the oleophobic coating that Apple's been using in everything since the iPhone 3G S Aug 26 15:37:44 jackster: They didn't, few things do.. Probably get sued by Apple if they did...... Aug 26 15:37:51 Actually I think a few HTC phones have that Aug 26 15:37:51 lol Aug 26 15:38:28 actually, I have a quick question Aug 26 15:38:51 to anyone who has had a HP delivery...is the fedex signature required? Aug 26 15:39:06 I didn't specify that I wanted it required, and it's supposed to show up today Aug 26 15:39:36 no fedex signature required(*) Aug 26 15:39:44 LarrySteeze|Away: got some TPs deliveried yesterday, and signature was required via UPS Aug 26 15:39:44 (* note: they use DHL in europe) Aug 26 15:39:49 I've had some co-workers ask why I would even pay $100 for it. They're convinced the app store will shut down in a year and it's a complete dead end. IMO even if it is, it basically does what my wifew as looking for right now. But problem is things change, like web APIs.. She's a facebook addict, if facebook breaks their API or changes it, the Facebook app will break etc.. Aug 26 15:39:52 ka6sox : hey are you there? Aug 26 15:40:50 yikes Aug 26 15:40:56 maybe I should call fedex then Aug 26 15:41:42 LarrySteeze|Away: MOST stuff I've gotten from fedex required a signature Aug 26 15:41:48 Unless you have one on file or something Aug 26 15:41:55 well then Aug 26 15:42:13 maybe I can't go shopping yet -_- I wish they gave you an estimate of what time they'd be there Aug 26 15:42:22 Between 8 and 8 Aug 26 15:42:43 you know what I mean -_- Aug 26 15:42:46 Usually what I do to get sign-only packages to show up is go jump on the toilet Aug 26 15:42:50 Does it every time Aug 26 15:43:46 I should have had them delivered to the office instead of home Aug 26 15:43:58 then at least someone there could sign for it for me Aug 26 15:44:03 I'd do that but our AA's dont tell anyone a package is there unless it's in their way Aug 26 15:44:32 we only have 5 people in our office...and it's small Aug 26 15:44:36 I'm sure I'd see it :P Aug 26 15:46:16 heh :) Aug 26 15:47:54 * rwhitby LoneStar99 are you intending to lead the discussion in the channel into off-topic areas? Aug 26 15:48:45 just called...no signature required. Fortunately, I live in a safe neighborhood with good neighbors :D Aug 26 15:48:55 and there's a big truck in front of my house, fedex by chance? Aug 26 15:50:03 It's the FBI Aug 26 15:50:25 so is there a 16-card limit? or does it give the "too many cards" error only when you've exhausted available memory? Aug 26 15:50:41 My wife got that several times last night Aug 26 15:50:52 odd...the guy sprinted and dropped off a package and ran back to his truck and sped off Aug 26 15:50:59 and the package isn't even for our address Aug 26 15:51:03 I got it once, I forget how many cards I had.. Aug 26 15:51:05 lol Aug 26 15:51:29 I tell youk, it's the FBI. It's a trap. Aug 26 15:51:29 EricBlade: "too many cards" means you're out of RAM. Aug 26 15:52:05 directhex: ok, so not a hard limit. 16 apps running simultaneously is not bad. especially when i couldn't see it impacting performance in the slightest except for new app load Aug 26 15:52:44 EricBlade: the difference is, android keeps opening new apps until it runs out of memory, then kills one of the running apps at random Aug 26 15:53:52 i've never used android, so i can't really compare them. i only have an ipod for "modern" devices, so i'm striving to make my touchpad experience as smooth as it is on the idevice, if i can find things to improve. Aug 26 15:54:04 Android clears out apps constantly, never notice it Aug 26 15:54:26 only thing i notice is that the whole thing is getting rather hot sitting in my lap now Aug 26 15:54:33 I was using the browser on my iPhone lastnight, and I kept trying to swipe up to close tabs.. lol Aug 26 15:55:00 Oh, last night my wife's touchpad could NOT do anything with the app store.. Just kept saying network connection, retry.... Aug 26 15:55:03 HP's site overloaded or? Aug 26 15:55:08 Browsing, email, etc, was all fine Aug 26 15:55:13 Yes Aug 26 15:55:18 What's the best RSS client for a google reader user? Aug 26 15:55:40 The App Catalog was overwhelemed after they posted about their free 6-Pack Aug 26 15:56:08 6 pack? Aug 26 15:56:20 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 26 15:56:44 Yeah six free apps for people in the US - us brits were given a picture of Jon Rubinstein Aug 26 15:56:50 hahaahaahah Aug 26 15:57:00 lol Aug 26 15:57:10 But was the picture after he was told the touchpad was killed? Aug 26 15:57:14 I hope it comes to Canada today :( Aug 26 15:57:16 Alanrogers: Canucks too ;) Aug 26 15:57:49 It's pretty good, it speaks and says things like "We are doubling down on WebOS" and "This is a marthon not a sprint" Aug 26 15:58:32 even when HP has already announced plans to shit webos out the backend, we still have to play their never-ending "hurry up and wait" games just to buy a freaking device Aug 26 15:58:35 As long as Inventory lasts? wtf? Aug 26 15:58:48 *phew* my delivery is on a different truck Aug 26 15:58:57 * rwhitby points folks to the /topic Aug 26 15:58:57 alright, I'm out now Aug 26 15:59:01 adios amigos Aug 26 15:59:08 webOS development discussion Aug 26 15:59:10 i was emailing back and forth with PDC for weeks trying to get a developer touchpad coupon Aug 26 15:59:46 discussions about touchpad deliveries are best done in #touchpad along with all the other people waiting for one Aug 26 16:00:00 codeslaw: Indeed. I can't imagine the loaner program's coming back. Aug 26 16:00:28 i was looking to buy one... now i can't even pay full price for a device. ebay bought all of them Aug 26 16:01:06 Get one off eBay.. they aren't $99, but they aren't an unreasonable price (imho) Aug 26 16:01:18 I bought a Pre2 on ebay so I can have it as a phone and do some devwork on it Aug 26 16:01:36 no Aug 26 16:01:50 not paying some asshole who hoarded a bunch of them twice the price he paid Aug 26 16:02:36 those ebay prices will drop once the 8,900 people whom are selling them realize that demand was much lower than they thought Aug 26 16:03:19 Tell someone something worth $500 can be had for $200 and it's an awesome deal. Tell them it can be had for $100, but only available for $200, and it's a terrible deal. Aug 26 16:03:26 codeslaw: there will be a new batch on ebay once the people waiting for honeycomb on it realise it's not coming any time soon Aug 26 16:03:51 rwhitby: Hopefully not a bunch of half-kludged screwy ones from attempts at Android on it ;) Aug 26 16:03:56 rwhitby: true Aug 26 16:04:31 How fixable IS the touchpad anyway? Can one fix the system if it's "bricked" pretty easy? Aug 26 16:04:34 Khaytsus: perception is everything. Aug 26 16:04:35 I don't see the price droping too much though.. I mean at the moment they are going to ~$210.. I'm betting it will level out ~$170 over the coming months.. Aug 26 16:05:17 My wife got a 32g on ebay for $190 shipped. 16g would have been fine, for less, but she got what she could fine for under $200 Aug 26 16:05:27 Nice Aug 26 16:05:29 Khaytsus: put it this way. we have never had an end-user brick a webOS device in 2 years. in just two days, I have heard of android folks bricking three. Aug 26 16:05:31 Khaytsus: You should be able to Doctor it Aug 26 16:05:37 that's a decent price Aug 26 16:05:54 rwhitby: Android folk bricking 3 webos devices? Aug 26 16:06:02 three touchpads Aug 26 16:06:05 Heh. Aug 26 16:06:16 Well, they're actively *trying* to fuss around with internals Aug 26 16:06:35 Khaytsus: btw, by definition, if something is bricked, it's not fixable by software means. Aug 26 16:06:39 on the bright side, i got my £61 for recycling my old htc hero Aug 26 16:06:42 rwhitby: Heh yeah.. So is it really bricked or just "not working normally, but fixable.." Aug 26 16:06:48 directhex: WTF Aug 26 16:06:52 rwhitby: Yes, I know that :) Aug 26 16:07:12 Shadyman: pre- is worth less than £20 recycled :( Aug 26 16:07:24 a webOS device that is just temporarily unbootable is trivial to fix Aug 26 16:07:36 directhex: Here in Canada, we pay a fee on every tech thing we buy so that they'll recycle it *for* us. Aug 26 16:07:40 codeslaw: did you get access to loaners? Aug 26 16:07:42 Cool, good to hear. I'm not messing with my wife's touchpad but good to hear they're fixable. Aug 26 16:08:08 Shadyman: there is a market for "old" phones, to use for refurbing, warranty replacements, etc. Aug 26 16:08:22 Shadyman: so there are several sites offering cash for old mobiles Aug 26 16:08:24 Khaytsus: from what i understand, which is just from listening to these guys here, because they seem to be the smartest group i've met so far that use webos, is that it is extremely difficult to "brick" one of these - a simple usb connection with a doctor program will apparently bring them back from unbootable Aug 26 16:08:44 LoneStar99: no.. i qualified for the brown belt, but DevRel never sent me the coupon, regardless of multiple requests Aug 26 16:08:45 Shadyman: http://www.mobilephonerecycling.co.uk/ compares all the recycling sites for a given model Aug 26 16:08:46 Cool deal. Always good when things are designed that way. Aug 26 16:08:55 fix the boot problems, restore the os, etc Aug 26 16:09:04 Some low level mechanism to replace a bad.. flash Aug 26 16:09:22 now, if you blow away the bootloader, or mess with the A6 firmware, you get http://bit.ly/veer-disassembly Aug 26 16:09:34 rwhitby: jtag time? Aug 26 16:09:34 wow. £7 for a working pre2 from simplydrop.co.uk. that's horrible Aug 26 16:09:58 How do you take a screenshot on the TouchPad? Aug 26 16:10:00 codeslaw: that sucks, what i did was order the loaners and just gonna keep them, but screwed up by not ordering all at once, so need to get another code Aug 26 16:10:08 so is there an IRC client on the touchpad Aug 26 16:10:10 ah Aug 26 16:10:21 Khaytsus: I'm waiting for one of the android folks who bricked their device to do the right thing and donate it to science instead of fraudulently returning it under warranty Aug 26 16:10:34 (and two of them so far have said they are going to do) Aug 26 16:10:51 There was someone here lastnight who ordered 10 Touchpads and was gonna sell them at-cost to devs.. I forget who it was though. Aug 26 16:11:06 codeslaw: but we may be shit out of luck, got a emailed fowarded which stated dev devices where cancelled until further notice Aug 26 16:11:16 ya i'd figure Aug 26 16:11:18 i ordered 8, 6 got cancelled, 1 pending, 1 shipping Aug 26 16:11:22 rwhitby: So they can NOT be recovered what they've done? Aug 26 16:11:25 if anyone lives in bowling green kentucky, they have touchpads at best buy :/ Aug 26 16:11:27 I haven't paid attention Aug 26 16:11:31 Khaytsus: no Aug 26 16:11:42 it's been open for 7 minutes though Aug 26 16:11:42 Ironsight: Really? Not a tiny town, interesting they have 'em Aug 26 16:11:52 they decided to ignore the 2 years of work done here and try and reinvent the wheel Aug 26 16:12:03 they have had em twice this week Aug 26 16:12:10 why couldnt they reserve a set of touchpads for devs? Aug 26 16:12:17 whom else could POSSIBLY deserve it more? Aug 26 16:12:21 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17006&type=page&skuId=2842056&searchpage=true&_requestid=19112 Aug 26 16:12:41 is there a limitation of submitting apps to appcatalog? Aug 26 16:12:44 codeslaw, good question Aug 26 16:13:30 almex`: press the power button and home button at the same time Aug 26 16:13:34 i just got an email touting a "great deal" on a 1ghz android for $300. i lol. Aug 26 16:13:35 sugardave: Thanks Aug 26 16:13:42 np Aug 26 16:14:01 I swear, I'm checking stock tommorow morning at 8am, and if my store has it, I am going there, getting one, then canceling my order with datavis if they don't ship today Aug 26 16:14:09 codeslaw: what is your email, once the rep that sent me the access code gets back from vacation 8/30 will see what she has to say about more loaners... Aug 26 16:14:10 codeslaw: we want devs to have TouchPads, too Aug 26 16:14:18 Vult: Yes, it's in preware, IIRC. almex: I heard there was some kind of button trick for screenshots Aug 26 16:14:27 orange-sym-p? Aug 26 16:14:47 there's no orange button on the TouchPad :P Aug 26 16:14:55 get a keyboard! Aug 26 16:15:01 power+center Aug 26 16:15:03 Ironsight: Or buy what they have and re-sell them to folks here? Aug 26 16:15:08 sugardave: been actively trying to acquire a dev device for weeks Aug 26 16:15:23 Khaytsus, if they are devs maybe Aug 26 16:15:36 as in, I wanna see their apps :) Aug 26 16:15:37 Ironsight: Sell one to iMarck90 so he'll shut up;) Aug 26 16:15:52 Tibfib: ? Aug 26 16:16:09 Khaytsus ? sorry? Aug 26 16:16:11 sugardave: \ o / Aug 26 16:16:15 Agred Aug 26 16:16:57 hi is it possible to ahve acces a windows share?? Aug 26 16:17:00 codeslaw: the worse thing is had the TPs sent to Texas, not sure when i will be in Texas since in Mexico right now and going back to cali at one point... Aug 26 16:17:23 ah crap, that sucks Aug 26 16:17:43 Has anyone tried the promo codes from the Palm Blog site? --> http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 26 16:17:54 almex`: Yes. US-only Aug 26 16:18:00 almex` didnt work for me Aug 26 16:18:10 said they were at their limit Aug 26 16:18:15 oo Aug 26 16:18:15 I'm in the US...las Vegas...codes aren't working --> http://www.box.net/shared/sq2nuyphnz6626nsdhoe Aug 26 16:18:24 Hi, it's not immediately clear, but... Aug 26 16:18:31 sugardave: oh! a swat engineer in da house! :) Aug 26 16:18:33 when I sign up to the HP webOS Developer Centre Aug 26 16:18:45 it asks me for my full name, and to pick a username Aug 26 16:18:54 does my full name end up visible to the world/on the forum/...? Aug 26 16:19:08 I tried to read the terms but I couldn't tell and they were looooooooong Aug 26 16:19:38 Hazel|work: but if you just blindly accept them, HP reserves the right to turn you into a Human Touchpad. Aug 26 16:19:47 lol Aug 26 16:20:03 sugardave: will be all kinds / ui elements get HW accelerated when i apply -webkit-transform3d(0,0,0) to them? Aug 26 16:20:17 hey chuqui !! Aug 26 16:20:26 technikfreak: i was just trying to research the opposite way (accessing the root of the device from windows), it looks like some people have made Samba work on the touchpad Aug 26 16:20:43 samba would be nice. Aug 26 16:20:44 ah Aug 26 16:20:47 hey, yo. happy friday! Aug 26 16:20:57 happy friday :) Aug 26 16:21:07 did i need addtional feed for that? Aug 26 16:21:09 leiru: I'm not sure....I think a lot of them will Aug 26 16:21:10 yeah, happy irene gonna ruin your world day. Aug 26 16:21:10 My Touchstone is on its way!! At last! :D Aug 26 16:21:20 EricBlade: also, re: the topic line's comment about NDAs, is there one buried in the developer/SDK agreement? Aug 26 16:21:21 Charge your devices people Aug 26 16:21:26 technikfreak: as far as i can tell, though, there is no built in way to do that sort of thing. Aug 26 16:21:28 * Ironsight doesn't live on the coast Aug 26 16:21:38 so than via ssh Aug 26 16:21:40 NuttyBunny: eh? If it discharges too much it won't recharge? Aug 26 16:21:54 leiru: honestly I'm not sure I could tell if it was working without some kind of test to run against it for a given effect/element/whatever Aug 26 16:22:15 I never let a device get below 3/4 dead Aug 26 16:22:15 Khaytsus: people in the hurricane zones should make sure that all of their electronics are fully charged Aug 26 16:22:19 Khaytsus: No, I mean, people who live near Irene's path, they may lose electricity Aug 26 16:22:22 apparently bestbuy staffers are pretty corrupt about the whole thing as well http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Best-Buy-Geek-Squad-Policies/bd-p/Policies Aug 26 16:22:26 Ooooooh yes, gotcha Aug 26 16:22:31 but I also have a difficult time discerning the awesome video performance of bluray over dvd, so.... Aug 26 16:22:36 Hazel|work: no idea Aug 26 16:22:36 And maybe while it's charging, board up the house eh Aug 26 16:22:48 I mean, it mentions confidentiality/disclosure, and says "keep confidential stuff confidential" Aug 26 16:22:56 And if they say "leave", just do it Aug 26 16:22:56 but it doesn't seem to say any specific thing is confidential? Aug 26 16:22:57 heh Aug 26 16:23:07 cell phones especially (not that they will work anyway, since every time there's a disaster the first thing broke is the cell phone antenna's Aug 26 16:23:40 I have an 80AH gel cell in my house with a step inverter on it.. I can output 3, 5, 12 on it... Although it's old, no USB. I really should make a USB attachment for it Aug 26 16:23:45 argh, usernames must be at least 6 chars, so I can't have "Hazel" Aug 26 16:23:47 :( Aug 26 16:23:47 heh Aug 26 16:24:10 We had that ice storm here in kentucky, took out power, phones, cellphone's for a month Aug 26 16:24:20 Ironsight: Mine was out a week, but yeah Aug 26 16:24:20 is there a doc on creating new accounts for hp synergy? Aug 26 16:24:55 And actually don't recall any cellphone issues offhand Aug 26 16:25:06 I sent my kids/wife to bowling green to stay at the hotel for a week, then they stayed with family while I slept at work Aug 26 16:25:12 hopefully ya'all have Verizon if you're in hurricane zones Aug 26 16:25:17 Khaytsus, I was in owensboro Aug 26 16:25:23 Ironsight: I'm over in Lexington, so maybe it was less damage or quicker fixed here.. dunno Aug 26 16:25:31 lexington yeah Aug 26 16:25:54 it was nice in lexington, owensboro was a warzone Aug 26 16:26:00 jeesus Aug 26 16:26:02 Wouldn't say _nice_ but... Aug 26 16:26:25 bowling green was peachy Aug 26 16:26:34 We had a bunch of tree damage, power out for 2 days, on for a day, off for about 8 days.. Work power was out for 5 or 6 of those days. Aug 26 16:26:53 we ran off generators at work Aug 26 16:26:57 And our cat had kittens days before it, so we had to stay home and keep them warm Aug 26 16:27:05 They have genny's here but not enough to run the whole place Aug 26 16:27:27 We have the huge deisel beast that takes up a building the size of a trailer Aug 26 16:28:00 Yeah, they have installed more here since.. Not sure what htye'd do.. Lighting and essentials or what. Aug 26 16:28:24 * Ironsight nods nods Aug 26 16:29:21 bbl, lunching Aug 26 16:29:28 peace Aug 26 16:30:27 directhex you around? Aug 26 16:30:35 and, what the frick is a "Tax Identification Number"? Aug 26 16:31:28 Hazel|work, the number which identifies you as a tax payer in your country? Aug 26 16:31:55 NuttyBunny: hmm, surely that only applies if I want to charge for apps? Aug 26 16:32:33 Hazel|work: You can have just free apps like me, I still had to give my number.. go figure Aug 26 16:32:38 ah Aug 26 16:32:40 you may want to charge for one in the future Aug 26 16:32:44 hmm Aug 26 16:33:08 do I actually need to register to get tools/stuff for webOS Aug 26 16:33:08 * NuttyBunny kicks Puffy_TP Aug 26 16:33:10 hahahah Aug 26 16:33:12 or only if I want to publish apps? Aug 26 16:33:23 you need to register Aug 26 16:34:02 NuttyBunny: there are just some things wirc that I cant just test in a private room Aug 26 16:34:27 rboatright: for...? stuff other than publishing apps? Aug 26 16:35:28 WooHaa: hehehe :) Aug 26 16:37:20 does anyone know how to get into the touchpad with root access from the commandline in windows Aug 26 16:37:22 i just spent 2 weeks WITHOUT POWER for fun on vacation. Aug 26 16:37:28 someone told me yesterday and i forgot the command Aug 26 16:38:06 Caleb: On linux, it's novaterm Aug 26 16:38:12 maybe similar on windows? Aug 26 16:39:18 Caleb: novaterm, though it doesn't seem to be included with the dev kit as some have said. i got mine from here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Aug 26 16:40:07 i did it yesterday it was something like novacom c:// or something along those lines Aug 26 16:42:18 hi Aug 26 16:42:59 i see references to capacilities for the synergy provider capabilitis but i dont see any direct reference to their api Aug 26 16:43:10 is there a list of provider capabilities? Aug 26 16:43:14 does someone ahve tried to isntall icq? Aug 26 16:45:06 I thought icq ran over AIM Aug 26 16:45:14 tolland: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/synergy/overview.html ? Aug 26 16:46:02 Ironsight : no Aug 26 16:47:37 can we use more than one promo at a time Aug 26 16:47:45 like for free apps vs the 50 dollars of apps Aug 26 16:47:59 omg, we're not pushing the O'Reilly book in the /topic anymore?! Aug 26 16:48:04 CTLAdvance: yes Aug 26 16:48:05 * sugardave dies. Aug 26 16:48:13 there's a special link you need to use Aug 26 16:48:18 it's in the precentral forums Aug 26 16:48:36 do u have a url for it Aug 26 16:48:52 hmm, so, my Touchpad presumably shipped with $ANCIENT version of webOS Aug 26 16:48:54 technikfreak, did you try to use aold instant messenger, put in your icq number as the username, and the password? Aug 26 16:49:11 but the wifi here requires WPA2 Enterprise authentication, and I can't seem to get it to authenticate me Aug 26 16:49:13 update it Hazel|work :) Aug 26 16:49:24 so I can't create a Palm profile Aug 26 16:49:32 download the doctor Aug 26 16:49:33 and so I can't log in to download a "webOS Doctor" Aug 26 16:49:37 Shadyman: it doesn't give a list of capabilities, just the overview and some examples Aug 26 16:49:51 and if I use the "serial number" box instead, it doesn't recognise the serial number from the box my Touchpad came in Aug 26 16:49:54 I downloaded the doctor on my computer without a palm profile Aug 26 16:50:06 or a device Aug 26 16:50:06 maybe there is some capability interface, and i need to see all the classes that implement it, or subclass it Aug 26 16:50:12 http://ws.hpwebos.com/webosdoctor/serialnumberinitial.htm < this site? Aug 26 16:50:19 Ironsight : yea doens"t work Aug 26 16:51:05 I didn't get it from there Aug 26 16:51:09 not the serial number site Aug 26 16:51:16 Caleb: ? Aug 26 16:51:20 Ironsight: where from? Aug 26 16:51:28 that's where palm.com/rom takes me Aug 26 16:51:55 directhex do you remember the command yesterday that got me into the root prompt on my touchpad Aug 26 16:51:56 * Ironsight checks hold on Aug 26 16:52:05 novaterm? Aug 26 16:52:07 (interestingly, the label on the box says "SW: 3.0.0" which suggests it might not be /that/ ancient after all...) Aug 26 16:52:51 how does ##DEVMODE# work at the FirstRun screen on the TouchPad? do I just type it in the Wifi Network Name box? Aug 26 16:52:52 Hazel|work, http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/common/article/19141_en.html talk to them there, they will set you up :) Aug 26 16:52:55 Hazel|work: There is a little push/push type of thing down the side with the volume button Aug 26 16:52:55 directhex do you have logs? it was something to do with novacom and how to connect to the root prompt Aug 26 16:53:14 Hazel|work: push it in, and it'll pop out. It's got the serial# on it Aug 26 16:53:50 i cant remember who it was that gave me the command Aug 26 16:54:18 Shadyman: same number as on the sticker on the box, but it doesn't work at http://ws.hpwebos.com/webosdoctor/serialnumber.htm Aug 26 16:54:20 Hazel|work: It looks kinda like a speaker, but it's all plastic, and on the side with the volume controls, not the speaker side Aug 26 16:54:30 yeah, I pushed it in and it popped out Aug 26 16:54:32 Hazel|work: Is it registered on your webOS account? Aug 26 16:54:35 but it has the same "5CL..." number Aug 26 16:54:44 http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/common/article/19141_en.html Aug 26 16:54:46 go there Aug 26 16:54:46 Yeah, 5CL is the S/N Aug 26 16:54:50 I get "Error: Sorry, that is not a valid serial number" on the doctor site Aug 26 16:55:02 huh Aug 26 16:55:03 talk to the guy here... http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/common/article/19141_en.html Aug 26 16:55:06 Shadyman: no, I've not registered the device Aug 26 16:55:19 Caleb: ... novaterm? Aug 26 16:55:22 Ironsight: yes, I've opened that page, but I'm trying to do 5 things at once, heh -- is that a live chat thing? Aug 26 16:55:27 yeah Aug 26 16:55:28 will they respond this side of christmas? Aug 26 16:55:28 :) Aug 26 16:55:29 it could have been Aug 26 16:55:38 he will set you up Aug 26 16:55:51 yeah, he'll get ya Aug 26 16:56:58 but i remember doing some command and i was in root on the touchpad Aug 26 16:57:17 but it wasnt novaterm Aug 26 16:58:20 right, I've filled in the form Aug 26 16:58:34 I've filled in my problem as: "Cannot successfully connect to "Eduroam" WPA2 Enterprise wifi, thus cannot perform FirstRun/device registration/Palm profile creation. Also cannot download new WebOS Doctor due to not having a Palm profile, and the "serial number" section of palm.com/rom not recognizing my device serial number (5CL[redacted])." Aug 26 17:00:09 Is this your personal device, or do you have like 100 tablets to setup for your business? Aug 26 17:00:15 me? Aug 26 17:00:17 yeah Aug 26 17:00:20 I have two. Aug 26 17:00:35 So if all else fails, you can set it up after work? Aug 26 17:00:40 yeah Aug 26 17:00:43 :) Aug 26 17:01:03 I know some people don't have internet at home is why I asked Aug 26 17:01:24 (a couple of people I work with have that issue) Aug 26 17:02:19 though I don't have a case/screen protector/... yet Aug 26 17:02:22 how do people live without internet? Aug 26 17:02:30 so I'd have to box it back up to take home Aug 26 17:02:46 and then work out how to lug the packaging home on the bus :P Aug 26 17:03:04 the packaging weighs less than the touchpad Aug 26 17:03:21 true, it's not too bad Aug 26 17:03:42 EricBlade, I dunno, one guy just plays xbox and DnD/Magic cards/Vampire.... Aug 26 17:04:12 The other guy... is in a band, and a bar hopper Aug 26 17:04:21 Ironsight|Gaming: so, I'm asking the support guy to... Aug 26 17:04:54 quack like a duck? Aug 26 17:05:03 to register your serial number Aug 26 17:05:05 create me a Palm profile? tell me if a new webOS version (via webOS Doctor) will fix WPA2 Enterprise support? Aug 26 17:05:11 or that Aug 26 17:05:18 :) Aug 26 17:05:29 Ironsight|Gaming: ah, what will registering my serial number do? Aug 26 17:05:30 I sure hope so, these were supposed to be on the business end laptops Aug 26 17:05:34 erm, tablets Aug 26 17:06:03 Tell him your serial number won't work, and you need him to activate it so you can access the doctor Aug 26 17:06:45 give him a link to the doctor page so he can see for himself Aug 26 17:06:45 Ironsight|Gaming: should I ask him to register both of my tablets at once? Aug 26 17:06:58 probably Aug 26 17:07:00 :) Aug 26 17:07:14 give him both serials Aug 26 17:07:37 man i cant believe i forgot the command Aug 26 17:07:56 * Ironsight|Gaming sneaks off now to play some games Aug 26 17:08:25 Is there a way to make a VirtualList element stretch to fill the available space? I tried style: "height: 100%", but that doesn't work. Aug 26 17:09:17 Ironsight|Gaming: he's gone very quiet, I hope I haven't bamboozled him Aug 26 17:09:18 heh Aug 26 17:09:40 naw, usally those chat agents (in india) are multi-tasking Aug 26 17:09:44 doing like 3 chats at once Aug 26 17:09:47 hehe Aug 26 17:09:51 heh Aug 26 17:10:44 I mean, there are probably ALOT of support chat's needed for people with all the touchpad sales Aug 26 17:10:55 it beats waiting on hold on the phone though Aug 26 17:11:14 Heheheh Aug 26 17:11:45 heh Aug 26 17:12:31 tbf, I will probably take one of them home somehow anyway Aug 26 17:12:34 as it's the bank holiday weekend Aug 26 17:12:35 It always works out like this, wait for 10 minutes in chat, or wait for 30 minutes just to get someone on the line over the phone Aug 26 17:12:54 but I wanted to get them set up here, as my internet connection at home is rubbish Aug 26 17:13:07 whereas at work we have a 1Gbps connection to JANET Aug 26 17:13:29 I get 13mbps at home Aug 26 17:13:35 soon 15-18 Aug 26 17:13:42 lol, I normally get 4 to 5 Mbps Aug 26 17:13:53 but my line is misbehaving, I'm getting 900kbps ish atm :( Aug 26 17:14:11 (JANET is our country's NREN - National Research and Education Network) Aug 26 17:14:53 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1451626271.png Aug 26 17:15:25 Ironsight|Gaming: if I type "Shibboleet" in-chat, will it connect me to someone who has used the development kit? ;) Aug 26 17:15:49 lol Aug 26 17:15:51 Aug 26 17:16:22 can't miss xkcd Aug 26 17:16:26 Hazel|work: +++ATH0 Aug 26 17:16:53 Hazel|work: careful though, there might be a guy named Shibboleet there. Aug 26 17:17:02 heh Aug 26 17:17:04 fuuuuu Aug 26 17:17:04 Khaytsus: fortunately, I am not using a rubbish modem Aug 26 17:17:08 Hello, I am Shibboleet Kumar Aug 26 17:17:09 5000 downloads in a day Aug 26 17:17:22 kesne, of your app? Aug 26 17:17:40 Ironsight|Gaming: Yeah Aug 26 17:17:43 good deal! Aug 26 17:17:45 Which app? Aug 26 17:18:02 currently I am in "recovery" mode with the big USB logo Aug 26 17:18:02 pr0n Aug 26 17:18:14 do I want to boot normally in case he asks me to do something on the device? Aug 26 17:18:32 maybe Aug 26 17:18:35 :) Aug 26 17:18:39 i.e. is he going to be able to tell me something to whisper softly to it to make WPA2 Enterprise work Aug 26 17:18:48 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 26 17:18:58 he is the touchpad whisperer Aug 26 17:19:00 kesne: not bad for a days work of hitting refresh.. Aug 26 17:19:16 8021x enterprise? Aug 26 17:20:04 Khaytsus: yeah, uh, lemme find out what type Aug 26 17:20:18 Bmyers: What do you mean? Aug 26 17:20:42 to see you dl's.. nice work on the app Aug 26 17:21:00 (r) ^ Aug 26 17:21:16 which app is yours? so does HP pay for that type of deal or hwo does that work Aug 26 17:21:34 Bmyers: Oh gotchya Aug 26 17:21:49 kevets: HP pays for each download Aug 26 17:21:56 heh, atom zombie smasher downloaded in 30 seconds Aug 26 17:21:57 cool Aug 26 17:22:01 kesne what app is yours? Aug 26 17:22:05 Khaytsus: WPA2-Enterprise, PEAP, PEAPv0/MSCHAPv2 Aug 26 17:22:07 audubon birds i bet Aug 26 17:22:13 Caleb: Camera for TouchPad Aug 26 17:22:15 with a local CA cert Aug 26 17:22:16 http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/tablets/product-detail.html?oid=5107123 Aug 26 17:22:21 The cheapest of the bunch. Aug 26 17:22:24 kesne nice i just bought that Aug 26 17:22:29 dang that bird one is $15 Aug 26 17:22:32 yay Aug 26 17:22:38 hulu working on my touchpad Aug 26 17:22:40 Heh, sweet! Aug 26 17:22:40 Well this "limit" on the free apps sucks... Aug 26 17:22:52 so anyone have a link available to use 2 promo codes so you dont burn through your 50 dollar coupon on these Aug 26 17:23:03 limit? Aug 26 17:23:14 i wonder if they'll do a 6-pack for phones Aug 26 17:23:16 Yes, the free apps HP is handing out. Aug 26 17:23:20 who cares about hulu, just bookmark abc.com nbc. cbs.com fox.com tbs.com amc.com etc Aug 26 17:24:12 Yeah, I've tried 3 and all are "sold out" Aug 26 17:24:15 Meh. Aug 26 17:24:20 good luck installing the audubon birds app. Aug 26 17:24:25 how about birds app? Aug 26 17:24:26 :) Aug 26 17:24:38 hulu FTW Aug 26 17:24:39 yay Aug 26 17:24:55 Khaytsus: Sold out? Aug 26 17:25:03 Which part is confusin? Aug 26 17:25:06 yes, sold out Aug 26 17:25:07 is there some easy way to quickly restart the whole GUI without rebooting the whole device? Aug 26 17:25:16 Khaytsus: Are you talking about the 6-pack apps? Aug 26 17:25:21 yes? Aug 26 17:25:23 yeah all the codes are used up Aug 26 17:25:24 EricBlade: luna manager from preware Aug 26 17:25:40 Khaytsus: I didn't know they could "sell out" Aug 26 17:25:49 Is camera for touchpad sold out? Aug 26 17:25:54 yep Aug 26 17:26:00 Damn Aug 26 17:26:03 keith: oops... Aug 26 17:26:06 Yeah, meh Aug 26 17:26:07 so i bought it Aug 26 17:26:10 All of them Aug 26 17:26:14 and its much nicer than that free one Aug 26 17:26:24 haeffb: likes 99 cent apps.. Aug 26 17:26:34 hp is handing out free apps? Aug 26 17:26:47 CTLAdvance: $50 coupon? Aug 26 17:26:54 Do you think they'll restock the inventory of codes? Aug 26 17:26:57 free cookies with your koolaid Aug 26 17:27:22 wow touchpad rotation lag is bad... Aug 26 17:27:29 Bmyers: thank you Aug 26 17:27:33 CTLAdvance: Yes it is. Can't type after rotating. Aug 26 17:27:39 I _had_ to lock rotation, it was pissing me off Aug 26 17:27:49 And it's really fast to rotate. Aug 26 17:27:50 it rotates too soon Aug 26 17:27:57 same, its very sensitive Aug 26 17:28:03 causes lag and issues Aug 26 17:28:07 yep Aug 26 17:28:08 interesting Aug 26 17:28:12 isnt that fixed in an update? Aug 26 17:28:12 even with 3.0.2? Aug 26 17:28:17 nope Aug 26 17:28:18 should have a threshold Aug 26 17:28:18 3.0.2 Aug 26 17:28:27 3.0.2 lags as much as 3.0.1 did Aug 26 17:28:32 What bugs me is the typing.. if I'm typing and it rotates, I can't type for 5-10s Aug 26 17:28:38 some things are faster Aug 26 17:28:44 but in general... no improvement Aug 26 17:29:27 the serial # thing didn't seem to work for my touchpad... in fact if you click on the touchpad on the palm.com/rom site, it prompts you to log in... and after you log in, it'll give you the java thing Aug 26 17:29:37 10:21 < Bmyers> EricBlade: luna manager from preware Aug 26 17:29:40 Can you lock out purchases? Like I put my card in, well, for no reason now.... and I want to make sure no purchases can be made without a password now. Aug 26 17:30:03 in the account info you can set the time period that a password is required for Aug 26 17:30:12 i saw a setting somewhere in the account that would set a time period to require .. yeah Aug 26 17:30:27 dwc-: k, in the app itself or somewhere in Settings? Aug 26 17:30:31 Oh, account info, gotcha Aug 26 17:30:35 and, for ericblade, there's a patch I like on the touchpad that gives the shutdown menu more options Aug 26 17:30:39 one of them is a restart luna Aug 26 17:30:57 oh look, re-prompt for end user agreement on the phone Aug 26 17:31:22 hm, but it doesn't look like they updated the 2.1.0 catalog... still v2.0.22300 Aug 26 17:32:14 hmm, editing the HP account, not seeing any time related things here.. Aug 26 17:32:51 wow the birds code is out already :) Aug 26 17:32:57 not surprising Aug 26 17:33:12 sounds like a great app for some folks, the price is a bit above an impulse buy though Aug 26 17:33:13 CTLAdvance: they _all_ are Aug 26 17:33:13 I think they're all out Aug 26 17:33:19 Khaytsus: open the app catalog Aug 26 17:33:32 in the drop down menu, there should be an accounts and settings Aug 26 17:33:42 dwc-: AHA! thanks! Aug 26 17:34:27 Cool. Set to every purchase. Don't want the wife buying anything just yet.. Aug 26 17:34:59 http://globalgrind.com/news/giant-rat-found-new-york-city-housing-projects-photos Aug 26 17:35:03 that... is a pretty big rat Aug 26 17:35:23 Ironsight|Gaming: hmm, he's asked me if it says "DEMO NOT FOR RESALE" on the packaging anywhere, I've said that no, it doesn't but that I can't get as far as even trying to register, as I can't successfully connect to a WiFi network Aug 26 17:35:32 dwc-: That'd be food for a whole korean family Aug 26 17:35:33 well looks like the three I cared about are gone Aug 26 17:36:13 at least I know the process for next month Aug 26 17:36:25 CTLAdvance: What, do it the instant it comes out? Aug 26 17:36:37 CTLAdvance: I couldn't even download apps at all last night, I didn't know what was going on until I asked here today. Aug 26 17:37:23 Hazel|work: I've had my touchpad registered on my profile for ~3 days Aug 26 17:37:53 and if I go to the serialnumberinitial page, it does not recognize my serial # Aug 26 17:37:58 dwc-: ah Aug 26 17:38:15 http://forums.precentral.net/off-topic/293932-leo-apotheker-meme-appreciation-thread.html Aug 26 17:38:17 ogmomgomgomgomg Aug 26 17:38:25 but, if I have the device on my profile, it does work to log in and say "get doctor" Aug 26 17:38:36 Hazel|work: can you enable developer mode, novaterm in? you could enable usbnet and get online that way if you had to without wifi Aug 26 17:38:57 destinal: how do I enable developer mode from the Setup screen? Aug 26 17:39:08 the label on the box says "SW 3.0.0" Aug 26 17:39:41 as much as I prefer people to advocate that methodology versus grabbing a link off a wiki... Aug 26 17:39:47 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Wifi_Only Aug 26 17:40:36 Hazel|work: ah you need devicetool.jar to bypass activation on touchpad. someone made a touchpad version somewhere Aug 26 17:40:52 fxspec06_: I made one: http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9590627.jpg Aug 26 17:41:15 i don't even understand why people like this bother to sign up for the forums... http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/292521-hp-best-buy-rep-watch-samsung-htc-7.html#post3102702 Aug 26 17:41:29 destinal: the page here > https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html < claims you don't need the activation-bypass tool on WebOS 2.0 and 3.0 Aug 26 17:41:43 though the "instructions" for the TouchPad make no sense Aug 26 17:41:50 I can't find anywhere to "dial" ##DEVMODE# Aug 26 17:42:10 kevets who Aug 26 17:42:32 Hazel|work: yeah I think it's wrong which is why people made devicetool work on touchpad Aug 26 17:42:34 that post i linked to. last one in the thread Aug 26 17:42:55 destinal: heh Aug 26 17:43:04 fxspec06_: http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9590672.jpg Aug 26 17:43:20 "Hell, I'm not really that impressed with WebOS at all." Aug 26 17:43:21 psh Aug 26 17:44:38 fxspec06_: http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9590712.jpg Aug 26 17:45:07 i saw Aug 26 17:45:07 lol Aug 26 17:45:11 I made 3 Aug 26 17:45:14 3 now Aug 26 17:45:17 dwc-: downloading :) Aug 26 17:45:24 destinal: ah, I see Aug 26 17:45:27 Hazel|work: http://onebluepoint.net/chekz-devicetool.zip Aug 26 17:45:41 destinal: presumably, if I don't activate, then I can't use the cool stuff, and I have to wipe it to get to FirstRun again? Aug 26 17:45:55 heh, nice Aug 26 17:45:56 there's not a whole lot of interesting stuff in firstrun Aug 26 17:46:03 making a profile, selecting a device to restore data from Aug 26 17:46:03 Why does the touchpad load music playlists out of order Aug 26 17:46:07 that's about it, I think Aug 26 17:46:16 fxspec06_: Why do you make your playlists backwards Aug 26 17:46:20 fxspec06_: I see the _songs_ are out of order but not in albums. Aug 26 17:46:26 dwc-: but, I thought I have to go through FirstRun to activate the device, and thus to have access to the app store etc? Aug 26 17:46:33 I noticed that first off too, but if I go to Album view, they show up in order. Aug 26 17:46:39 no i mean Aug 26 17:46:41 my PLAYLISTS Aug 26 17:46:44 on the bottom left Aug 26 17:46:51 I'd think that as song it'd arrange artist->album->track, but hey... Aug 26 17:46:52 i sync w/ HP play, and they are random Aug 26 17:46:54 sorted Aug 26 17:47:01 should be alphabetical order Aug 26 17:47:11 * Khaytsus heads off Aug 26 17:47:11 * dwc- totally forgot about HP play Aug 26 17:47:12 Hazel|work: you can use impostah to activate Aug 26 17:47:17 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229254 Aug 26 17:47:19 * dwc- heard about it when he had no plans to pick up a touchpad Aug 26 17:47:38 Hazel|work: basically follow the procedure for activating a demo touchpad Aug 26 17:47:43 destinal: ah, and that's as good as the real thing? Aug 26 17:47:44 heh Aug 26 17:47:48 yup Aug 26 17:48:16 gosh, I've been chatting to this support guy for 50 minutes now... Aug 26 17:48:30 hmm. after turning off swap. and then making a couple of tweaks to the enyo library itself, the only thing this device is now being truly annoying with is window-scroll-hitching Aug 26 17:48:38 also it doesn't display special characters Aug 26 17:48:53 YES! I just touched my firesale pad from HP Aug 26 17:49:00 err... it was just delivered Aug 26 17:49:06 http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9590795.jpg Aug 26 17:49:17 Hazel|work: I've never seen a touchpad you couldn't activate out of the box via wifi network (you could probably get a replacement) but the bypass isn't too rough Aug 26 17:50:03 well, demo units I've heard of had that problem but a regular touchpad, that's strange Aug 26 17:50:36 destinal: the problem is an inability to connect to work's Enterprise security wifi Aug 26 17:50:43 ahhh Aug 26 17:51:24 but, but ... it's an enterprise device Aug 26 17:51:29 heh Aug 26 17:51:39 linuxjacques: no, the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet is an enterprise device ;) Aug 26 17:51:45 the Toughbook Tablet is an enterprise device Aug 26 17:51:56 this is a slab of consumer shiny Aug 26 17:51:56 heh Aug 26 17:52:09 I guess that explains why also no proxy support Aug 26 17:52:12 demo units had some botched version of webOS didnt they Aug 26 17:52:30 Hazel|work: so yeah I'd bypass, then on the device, enable usbnet ("usbnet enable && reboot") Aug 26 17:52:40 then reverse tether to a Linux PC to get online Aug 26 17:52:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Reverse_Tethering Aug 26 17:52:46 then activate with Impostah Aug 26 17:53:00 or just wait til you get home :-) Aug 26 17:53:04 destinal: that sounds like it ought to work Aug 26 17:53:05 there's that too Aug 26 17:53:16 I could do with dinner, and I need to leave in 10 minutes if I want to catch the bus Aug 26 17:53:30 and frankly an hour long support chat with Palm is getting dull now Aug 26 17:53:50 consisting of only 7 lines that are from this chap on the other end Aug 26 17:54:07 and I'm already running webOS doctor for webos 3.0.2 Aug 26 17:54:14 via the link on that wiki Aug 26 17:54:15 heh Aug 26 17:55:40 destinal: presumably "novacom" etc don't work unless dev mode is on (which requires device activation, or a hack in recovery mode)? Aug 26 17:56:02 6:48 PM Connection lost. Attempting reconnection... Aug 26 17:56:02 6:52 PM Archer has ended the session. Aug 26 17:56:28 looks like they hung up on me :P Aug 26 17:56:52 anyone with a touchpad get a screen protector? Aug 26 17:56:54 (I had a few disconnect/reconnects through the chat) Aug 26 17:57:52 netxshare: I'm still deciding if I want one Aug 26 17:58:02 not yet Aug 26 17:58:08 same here Aug 26 17:58:11 I wasn't certain until yesterday that CPW were going to fulfil my order Aug 26 17:58:11 heh Aug 26 17:58:37 I am wondering how much they effect the screen Aug 26 17:58:47 and so I didn't really want a pile of accessories for a tablet I might not end up owning Aug 26 17:58:47 heh Aug 26 17:59:13 yeah I can see that Aug 26 17:59:22 I wil most likely get this for sure tho Aug 26 17:59:23 http://store.precentral.net/bodyguardz-armor-carbon-fiber/4A133A8758.htm Aug 26 17:59:55 I got my touchpad yesterday at bestbuy Aug 26 18:00:00 they had got more in Aug 26 18:00:11 I'm somewhat surprised (impressed?) that the HP Touchpad uses LVM, heh Aug 26 18:00:25 how so? Aug 26 18:00:29 or rather, why? Aug 26 18:00:34 why am I surprised? Aug 26 18:01:01 yeah Aug 26 18:01:28 was just expecting something a bit more "embedded" Aug 26 18:01:30 heh Aug 26 18:01:35 oh, I see Aug 26 18:02:25 anyway, I think I'm going to go home Aug 26 18:02:29 bye! :) Aug 26 18:02:40 thanks for all your help :) Aug 26 18:04:00 aha Aug 26 18:04:09 webOS 3.0.2 allows captive portal auth <3 Aug 26 18:04:27 yay Aug 26 18:04:30 Hazel|work: yeah you would need devicetool which turns on dev mode to use novacom Aug 26 18:04:54 Can't just turn on dev mode with upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart? Aug 26 18:05:04 Or you still can't get into the touchpad? :( Aug 26 18:05:50 no, that still works Aug 26 18:06:03 wait, that's not what you're asking Aug 26 18:06:03 Hazel|work: ah so you could just doctor 3.0.2 Aug 26 18:06:07 and go from there Aug 26 18:06:12 destinal: as in, I've done that, and it is working Aug 26 18:06:13 :) Aug 26 18:06:16 but not on Eduroam Aug 26 18:06:20 Hazel|work: nice Aug 26 18:06:21 but on the old captive portal wifi Aug 26 18:07:26 Hazel|work: people were doing some 802.1x and wpa2 enterprise stuff from linux on the device but maybe not in the gui, hmm Aug 26 18:07:46 yeah Aug 26 18:07:58 I saw some comments saying you had to create a custom wpa-supplicant config for eduroam Aug 26 18:08:03 and some forum post saying it worked without iut Aug 26 18:08:04 it( Aug 26 18:08:30 I suspect it may depend on whether the institution provides their own custom CA cert, or uses the public SSL hierarchy Aug 26 18:09:55 haha, Setup Complete! Aug 26 18:10:40 Hazel|work: nice, welcome to the world. :) Aug 26 18:11:01 anyone know if the webos browser supports websockets? Aug 26 18:11:11 I am guessing no Aug 26 18:12:00 kesne: You should quick up the price of camera :D Aug 26 18:13:17 rwhitby: Did you do the phone nunber search program in palmos? Forget the name.. Aug 26 18:17:31 curious Aug 26 18:17:41 I've entered "webos20090606" into Just Type ... Aug 26 18:17:48 and opened up the developer mode app Aug 26 18:17:54 linuxjacques: there is proxy support in 3.0.2 but no UI for it Aug 26 18:18:03 pushed the switch to ON, clicked Submit with a blank password... Aug 26 18:18:05 twbbas: Heh, nah Aug 26 18:18:06 and it's not asked me to reboot? Aug 26 18:18:33 it just says "Your device is in Developer Mode. You may use Palm Mojo SDK tools to connect to the device." Aug 26 18:18:33 I didn't have to reboot after turning on dev mode Aug 26 18:18:40 and there's a "Set/Change Password" button Aug 26 18:18:44 where is the password used? Aug 26 18:18:44 netxshare: the touchpad seems to work fairly well through the plastic that came wrapped on the touchpad and it was still fairly sensitive... I don't think a cover will make it much worse Aug 26 18:19:21 okay Aug 26 18:19:57 Hazel|work: If you set a password, you'll have to novaterm -c login Aug 26 18:20:03 Hazel|work: before you can palm-install anything Aug 26 18:20:22 To prevent unauthorized installs/removals/hijinks Aug 26 18:20:50 cunning Aug 26 18:20:51 Jinkies! Aug 26 18:20:57 yeah, dev mode no longer requires a reboot Aug 26 18:21:04 LarrySteeze|Away: awesome :) Aug 26 18:21:10 * Hazel|work missed the bus, will be here for another hour Aug 26 18:21:11 heh Aug 26 18:22:20 hey, PreCentral says we've come back to life! Aug 26 18:23:15 has socket support been added into webos? Aug 26 18:23:46 come back to life? did we die? Aug 26 18:23:59 in "Pivot" Aug 26 18:24:04 some of the apps say "FREE" Aug 26 18:24:07 some have a price Aug 26 18:24:10 and some say "N/A" Aug 26 18:24:19 i haven't seen any n/a apps Aug 26 18:24:24 does that mean I can't get them in my country, I can't get them at all, or ...? Aug 26 18:24:27 what region are you in? Aug 26 18:24:27 LarrySteeze: Kindle Aug 26 18:24:33 United Kingdom Aug 26 18:24:40 I imagine they're not available there then Aug 26 18:25:25 anyone else having trouble downloading 3.0.2? Aug 26 18:25:32 Anyone know if the devs behind Inglorious Apps are part of the community? Aug 26 18:25:43 plov: had trouble before, just keep trying. Aug 26 18:26:08 plov: every couple hours or so...don't worry about hitting the retry button every time it fails Aug 26 18:26:15 iheartradio, ScrollMotion, PressReader, Tour de France, Sooloos, HP MovieStore, ... Aug 26 18:26:51 i missed iheartradio Aug 26 18:27:08 "this promo code has reached its limit and is no longer valid"..??? Aug 26 18:27:30 you talking about the "six pack?" Aug 26 18:27:42 yea Aug 26 18:27:49 yeah, those are gone Aug 26 18:28:25 LarrySteeze: even though the blog says they are good until 31 aug, "while supplies last" Aug 26 18:28:31 lol Aug 26 18:28:35 so, was Angry Birds HD free, or just free temporarily with coupon? Aug 26 18:28:37 it's the whole "while supplies last" part Aug 26 18:28:54 I think it was free...I downloaded it and didn't pay for it or use a coupon Aug 26 18:29:17 Hazel|work: Free. Aug 26 18:29:37 Ah, there are a million different variants Aug 26 18:29:46 (original, Rio, Seasons, ...) Aug 26 18:30:03 also: I can browse the store Aug 26 18:30:11 but I keep getting Download Failed when I try to add any apps :( Aug 26 18:30:37 Hazel|work: I get that when my internet cuts out Aug 26 18:31:00 so now wathcing german bundeslioga over touchpad Aug 26 18:31:01 internet works in the browser though Aug 26 18:31:07 hm Aug 26 18:31:08 maybe our wireless here breaks stuff Aug 26 18:31:15 it is shite ;) Aug 26 18:31:16 Maybe. Aug 26 18:31:23 start up time is quite long Aug 26 18:31:26 hp servers must be getting overtaxed Aug 26 18:31:27 for web os Aug 26 18:31:36 i just got my touchpad :O well just opened it finally Aug 26 18:31:49 nice device Aug 26 18:31:54 hey guys, can anyone tell me where I might find the code with the browser's useragent string? i'd like to modify it (and eventually make a small app that does that itself) Aug 26 18:32:01 also didnt realize it would be kind of heavy Aug 26 18:32:16 I can't get the 3.0.2 update to apply correctly. it downloads but it always stays on 3.0.0 Aug 26 18:32:28 is there a player in whcih i could watch a livestream Aug 26 18:32:32 but then maybe I read that I shouldn't update Aug 26 18:32:34 Optimo_: It takes time Aug 26 18:32:47 anyone notice that if you search for touchpad on office depot, instead of bringing up the search for touchpad, it brings up the search for tablets? Aug 26 18:32:48 Shadyman1, it got 'finsihed' to the point where it said unpacking.. Aug 26 18:32:55 Optimo_: Yep. It takes time. Aug 26 18:33:03 it said it was done too Aug 26 18:33:05 but nothign changed Aug 26 18:33:16 Optimo_: Mine took a day for it to ask me to apply the update Aug 26 18:33:26 Optimo_: when i did it it wouldn't install manually, but 5 hours later it asked me and that worked Aug 26 18:33:28 after it was 'done' Aug 26 18:33:35 ok thanks for the tip Aug 26 18:33:47 patience, young grasshoppa ;) Aug 26 18:34:35 cant download when viewing app catalog always get a message saying action cant complete Aug 26 18:34:43 everyone else getting that too? Aug 26 18:34:45 heh, curious, it set my hostname to "HazelHPTouchpad" automatically Aug 26 18:34:56 Hazel|work: Hmmm. Aug 26 18:35:22 palm did a nice job on this.. too bad Aug 26 18:35:36 Hazel|work: Where do you see that? Aug 26 18:35:49 $ novaterm Aug 26 18:35:49 root@HazelHPTouchPad:/# Aug 26 18:35:54 ah Aug 26 18:35:55 hm Aug 26 18:36:02 Hah! Aug 26 18:36:10 is yours ShadyHPTouchpad? ;) Aug 26 18:36:13 root@MatthewHPTouchPad:/# Aug 26 18:36:16 Winning. Aug 26 18:37:23 root@DavesSecretToy Aug 26 18:37:26 best Aug 26 18:37:35 Mine is root@HideAndSeek:/# :-) Aug 26 18:37:54 my wife's is root@StephaniesCreativeDevice:/# Aug 26 18:38:29 root@Paco Aug 26 18:38:31 not sure why Aug 26 18:38:43 Paco? O.o lol Aug 26 18:38:50 Paco is what I call my cable box since it runs OCAP Aug 26 18:38:55 is your name paco? Aug 26 18:38:59 i see Aug 26 18:39:09 well, if you named your device paco, that's what it would be Aug 26 18:39:23 LarrySteeze: oh i know Aug 26 18:39:36 What's the preferred settings for encoding video for this thing? I did the "ipad" template in handbrake and did match source video frmaerate, and encode. It plays sound but no video. Aug 26 18:39:38 * LarrySteeze runs away for a moment * Aug 26 18:40:09 What's the preferred settings for encoding video for the touchpad? I did the "ipad" template in handbrake and did match source video frmaerate, and encode. It plays sound but no video. Video plays fine in windows though. Aug 26 18:40:32 pc500 Aug 26 18:40:35 web formats? Aug 26 18:40:40 if i updated to 3.0.2 and then do a factory reset, it'll keep the 3.0.2 yea? Aug 26 18:40:51 matbee: - What do you mean web formats? Aug 26 18:40:51 yeah Aug 26 18:40:52 plov, yes Aug 26 18:41:11 location of useragent string, anyone? Aug 26 18:41:12 pc500: Think TP does MP4 Aug 26 18:41:13 h264? Aug 26 18:41:21 ParadoxQuine: It's not changeable, AFAIK Aug 26 18:41:23 and i think mp4 Aug 26 18:41:25 should be the same as ipad Aug 26 18:41:34 I followed these instructions: http://joesacher.com/how-to/encoding-videos-for-the-hp-touchpad/ Aug 26 18:41:35 pc500, no, apple has their own format Aug 26 18:41:38 hm Aug 26 18:41:39 ahh ok Aug 26 18:41:46 quicktime :p Aug 26 18:41:51 i find that hard to believe. every browser's useragent is changeable with enough hackery Aug 26 18:41:52 boo Aug 26 18:41:54 Frusterating :) Aug 26 18:41:57 yeah Aug 26 18:42:05 * oilsworkn is tracking shipment, unfortunately its not for a tp :( Aug 26 18:42:06 i dont really know, pc500 Aug 26 18:42:06 ParadoxQuine: Normally-speaking. Aug 26 18:42:08 ParadoxQuine: - For what purpose? Aug 26 18:42:22 ParadoxQuine: - If it's for hulu, you need to update the flash file Aug 26 18:43:15 If anyone's curious.. http://pastebin.com/SN8vZ7uN that's the /proc/cpuinfo on the touchpad ;) (Not that anyone else can't just look it up themselves, but hey) Aug 26 18:43:47 nice Aug 26 18:43:56 11:20 < Hazel|work> and some say "N/A" Aug 26 18:43:58 pc500: for using google docs ipad interface and making youtube play html5 and so forth Aug 26 18:44:12 ahh Aug 26 18:44:14 best twitter client ? Aug 26 18:44:17 N/A apps I don't know. I get some, but not consistently... so I'm going to blame that on the flaky store Aug 26 18:44:23 heh Aug 26 18:44:31 plov: Spaz HD Aug 26 18:44:32 but, maybe you get it if you're no t allowed to get it either? Aug 26 18:44:35 dwc-: heh Aug 26 18:44:38 try something we know is geo-restricted Aug 26 18:44:51 best^H^H^H^Honly Aug 26 18:45:13 ParadoxQuine: /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so Aug 26 18:45:15 dwc-: hmm, I've tried using the reverse tethering, and it still gives me "Download Failed" when I retry Angry Birds Aug 26 18:45:16 heh Aug 26 18:46:05 dwc-: thanks! Aug 26 18:46:17 i'm going to get a hex editor and hunt for the string now Aug 26 18:46:19 heh i think its funny weather has its own category in the catalog, how many weather apps do you really need?? Aug 26 18:46:34 724 Aug 26 18:47:04 no, that's not enough. need 725. Aug 26 18:47:07 they need a netflix app! Aug 26 18:47:48 And youtube Aug 26 18:47:54 "this promo code has reached its limit and is no longer valid" Aug 26 18:47:58 meh Aug 26 18:48:05 that's what happens when it ends up on slickdeals Aug 26 18:48:13 ... after a glut of $100 and $150 touchpads Aug 26 18:48:19 Um, wow. the webcam is I2C-based. Aug 26 18:48:23 maybe i'm onto a red herring but I saw someone mentioned 'camera for touchpad' app, but when I search for that the appcatalog just fails Aug 26 18:48:23 that's hot. Aug 26 18:48:28 and stupid me, having paid ACTUAL MONEY for several of those apps Aug 26 18:48:30 :p Aug 26 18:48:33 Optimo_: search for 'camera' Aug 26 18:48:35 Optimo_: there is one in there Aug 26 18:48:51 Optimo_: just keep trying. the store sucks :P Aug 26 18:48:52 but why doesn't the search return something like 'no results found' Aug 26 18:48:53 ok Aug 26 18:48:57 so when i opened this touchpad, i was like whoa for a second because i forgot this thing is worth more than 100$ lol Aug 26 18:49:10 Optimo_: You buying it? B ecause it ain't free Aug 26 18:49:21 Don't bother if you're wanting the free apps :) Aug 26 18:49:23 we'll see. I couldn't even locate it Aug 26 18:49:35 plov: Yeah it's nice.. $100 was stupid cheap. Aug 26 18:49:35 any chance someone is working on getting a set of bsd dev tools onto the touchpad? so, for example, I could compile nodejs 0.4.x and start running my own servers :D Aug 26 18:50:02 'bsd' dev tools? Aug 26 18:50:06 thatll be funny Aug 26 18:50:12 touchpad servers in a data center Aug 26 18:50:14 dwc-: He's clearly l33t. See notejs reference. Aug 26 18:50:24 ah Aug 26 18:50:36 googling suggests the incorrect date and time could break downloads Aug 26 18:50:45 Writing web apps in nodejs is like writing an operating system in Python. Aug 26 18:50:46 hmm Aug 26 18:50:47 could. crypto, tokens, etc. Aug 26 18:51:00 Khaytsus: exactly. operating systems should be written in LISP. Aug 26 18:51:07 sorry, gnu tools, im sleepy. Aug 26 18:51:41 am I risking any accessbility to using the devtools by taking the 3.0.2 update? Aug 26 18:51:48 no Aug 26 18:51:51 thanks Aug 26 18:51:53 (that i know of) Aug 26 18:51:58 aha, it works now Aug 26 18:52:06 strangely, "Network Time" was turned on... Aug 26 18:52:11 but it wasn't getting correct time Aug 26 18:52:11 heh Aug 26 18:52:43 ParadoxQuine: nodejs is already on webos Aug 26 18:52:51 all palms services use it Aug 26 18:52:55 oilsworkn: version 0.2.x iirc Aug 26 18:52:57 ParadoxQuine: BTW, node.js is already IN webos Aug 26 18:53:02 Oh, oilsworkn said that Aug 26 18:53:10 yeah, an old version Aug 26 18:53:33 0.2.x is api incompatible with 0.4.x stuff, and I'd like to have 0.4.x on it Aug 26 18:53:56 good luck :) Aug 26 18:56:01 heh.. Aug 26 18:57:37 o.O Aug 26 18:58:01 I walk away for 10 minutes, and I get 33 messages on facebook? Aug 26 18:58:07 popular Aug 26 18:58:11 But in the last month, I've maybe gotten 10 Aug 26 18:58:28 er, how do I get to the previous edition of Pivot? Aug 26 18:58:29 heh Aug 26 18:58:49 I suddenly find myself looking at Issue 2 Aug 26 18:59:27 Hazel|work: wrong time zone? restrictive network that keeps it from talking to the ntp servers? Aug 26 18:59:35 Hazel|work: I want to know too. I was just thinking that last night Aug 26 19:00:05 ah, maybe fixing the date made it go "Oh, it's August, not July, let's show her issue 2" Aug 26 19:02:17 eh? Aug 26 19:02:28 then how am I looking at the September issue? Aug 26 19:02:37 is it not, er, August here? Aug 26 19:02:42 I see the August issue Aug 26 19:02:45 it's august Aug 26 19:02:51 and a thing at the end saying "In the September issue ..." Aug 26 19:02:59 maybe that's what I saw Aug 26 19:03:03 *pulls it back up* Aug 26 19:03:20 yea, I want to see the first issue Aug 26 19:03:25 LarrySteeze: Does it show hipsters on the cover? That's August Aug 26 19:03:34 they spend what looks like a decent amount of effort on it Aug 26 19:03:36 claims to be Pivot, issue 2 "The Play Issue", August 2011 Aug 26 19:03:52 a single gentleman looking down Aug 26 19:04:01 *yawn* Aug 26 19:04:24 LarrySteeze: Pic? Aug 26 19:04:26 wait nope Aug 26 19:04:28 That may be september Aug 26 19:04:32 I remembered wrong :P Aug 26 19:04:37 LarrySteeze: heh Aug 26 19:04:40 it's hands holding a touchpad Aug 26 19:04:44 oh that's July Aug 26 19:06:25 so...anyone know how to 'gesture click' on the TP? Aug 26 19:10:46 what's a 'gesture click'? Aug 26 19:11:01 put your finger on the middle of the gesture area, and touch where you want to click on the screen. Aug 26 19:11:04 with another finger. Aug 26 19:11:18 now on the TP... Aug 26 19:11:35 i'm assuming this is on the pre or something? i dont see a 'gesture area' on the touchpad Aug 26 19:11:44 yep that's the the pre... Aug 26 19:11:48 speaking of things on the touchpad, how do you do gesture+scrolling on the touchpad Aug 26 19:12:14 that is pretty much the same issue :) Aug 26 19:12:17 Curious. The Touchpad that Techrepublic dismantled had a Cypress touchscreen controller. Mine is showing maxTouch, which is Atmel's. Aug 26 19:12:35 is there any actual news about hps next step with webos? Aug 26 19:13:36 LarrySteeze: i'm sorry i have to disaapoint you. the TP has no gesture area. Aug 26 19:13:54 leiru: that's my point Aug 26 19:14:18 guess the end word is you can't gesture click without a gesture area :p Aug 26 19:14:54 nice. now I have a calculator and a clock app Aug 26 19:14:57 ;p Aug 26 19:14:58 well, I'm more interested in having the precision cursor-moving, and wondering what the replacement is... I know there's no gesture area Aug 26 19:15:11 LarrySteeze: and now you want to write a patch with software gesture area? Aug 26 19:16:23 No, I just didn't know if there was a way to do it for legacy software running on the TP Aug 26 19:16:51 this is the dev channel, not the internals channel. Aug 26 19:17:23 LarrySteeze: without uiRevision:2 in appinfo you get a emulator screen around the app at phone-size Aug 26 19:17:32 not sure i there's a gesture area Aug 26 19:17:43 is there a generic hacks channel or something? I'm curious if there's a patch or a method to easily send urls to the touchpad and have them open in its browser Aug 26 19:17:43 yes, there is a gesture area on the emulator Aug 26 19:17:50 anyone have a link to get me started with ssh a Aug 26 19:17:56 (i am also not sure if this is the place to ask about that) Aug 26 19:18:02 but you can't "gesture click" with it, at least it didn't work for me. Aug 26 19:18:02 man that touchdroid channel is fucking hilarious Aug 26 19:18:07 yup Aug 26 19:18:14 it's no big deal, I was just wondering if I was missing something. Aug 26 19:18:16 like high school all over agian Aug 26 19:18:43 sampson: I wouldn't touch touchdroid with a 10 foot pole Aug 26 19:18:53 I enabled Developer mode. waht is the next step? :) Aug 26 19:19:06 though I wouldn't mind some sort of android emulator Aug 26 19:19:18 LarrySteeze: i was hanging out there for the humor Aug 26 19:19:20 but it's too much Aug 26 19:19:21 Optimo_: are you trying to get ssh working? Aug 26 19:19:25 Optimo_: use novacom to install preware Aug 26 19:19:31 and then install openssh Aug 26 19:19:31 that would be nice. Aug 26 19:19:37 ok awesome Aug 26 19:20:01 Optimo: download the webos-internals info app from the catalog Aug 26 19:20:07 I guess doing this without a pc/laptop is not possible Aug 26 19:20:13 right Aug 26 19:20:15 nope...sorry Aug 26 19:20:16 at first Aug 26 19:20:23 i found that the simplest way was to get the novacom command line utility to run, which i got from the ubuntu package Aug 26 19:20:50 and then install preware using a script directly while using a novacom shell session Aug 26 19:21:54 LarrySteeze: i dont have that app in my apps catalog, is that US only or something? Aug 26 19:22:12 (i lost a few hours yesterday trying to install it) Aug 26 19:22:43 I don't see it either.. is it 'Preware Homebrew Documentation" ? Aug 26 19:22:50 are there any UK promo codes for install the apps, i noticed that the US guys were using a 6-pack promo code, but that is not available in the UK Aug 26 19:22:58 Optimo_: the app catalogue app is that one, yes Aug 26 19:23:17 it's not free hmm Aug 26 19:23:21 correct Aug 26 19:23:34 you can also find instructions on install.preware.org Aug 26 19:24:07 tolland: I don't think it's US only Aug 26 19:24:29 I'm sorry though, I didn't call it by it's name Aug 26 19:24:36 it's Preware Homebrew Documentation Aug 26 19:25:09 it does cost $0.99, but it supports the people who make all of the patches and such Aug 26 19:25:14 cool. I'm lining stuff up for a nice weekend of hobby Aug 26 19:26:42 Optimo_: do you mean novaterm? Aug 26 19:26:48 I need a C++ developer Aug 26 19:27:19 Optimo_: with installed sdk you should be able to type novaterm in your terminal (with dev mode device connected) Aug 26 19:27:40 leiru, yes I haven't got that far yet. not near a pc right now :) Aug 26 19:27:46 kesne: PatrickC is learning.... Aug 26 19:27:59 Oh god Aug 26 19:28:04 hahha Aug 26 19:28:06 Just don't tell him I'm looking Aug 26 19:28:17 he knows if/else though! Aug 26 19:28:19 hahahahaha Aug 26 19:29:52 kesne: blame me for him learning Aug 26 19:30:12 I need a cheap, good C++ dev Aug 26 19:30:32 Eh...I think that's an oxymoron Aug 26 19:30:40 Haha Aug 26 19:30:42 what do you mean by cheap? Aug 26 19:30:43 Probably... Aug 26 19:30:47 LarrySteeze: Free Aug 26 19:30:48 Hahaha Aug 26 19:30:58 for what type of development? Aug 26 19:31:20 I just need a simple C++ webOS Plugin to apply basic photos filters to images Aug 26 19:31:25 Hey Larry hello Aug 26 19:31:35 hey there iMarck90 Aug 26 19:31:38 The hurricane is not coming :( Aug 26 19:31:48 what do you mean it is not coming Aug 26 19:31:50 yes it is Aug 26 19:31:52 No Touchpad :( Aug 26 19:32:09 (from HP) Aug 26 19:32:14 when I said a hurricane was coming towards me, I wasn't talking about a touchpad Aug 26 19:32:16 oh Aug 26 19:32:30 I mean the thing full of wind and water that has the potential to destroy cities Aug 26 19:32:58 by the time it hits me, I don't think it will be destroying the city, but it still has the potential to do a lot of damage Aug 26 19:33:13 kesne: I might know someone for you Aug 26 19:33:28 Ops sorry Larry Aug 26 19:33:30 I met a kid working at Radio Shack that graduated from MIT and can't find a dev job Aug 26 19:33:35 do you talk about Erica? Aug 26 19:33:43 the waves are high. it will flood Aug 26 19:33:45 iMarck90: Irene Aug 26 19:33:47 I listen... Aug 26 19:33:50 :( Aug 26 19:33:58 Hmm. Does the TP camera have a "flash"? Aug 26 19:34:13 i don't think it does...but that's a good feature Aug 26 19:34:16 nope it's more of a videochat cam Aug 26 19:34:20 hm Aug 26 19:34:46 I found where to control the LEDs in the home button from, in busybox linux :D Aug 26 19:35:15 or at least check the status of.. /sys/devices/i2c-3/3-0033/leds then core_navi_left or core_navi_right Aug 26 19:35:44 make a strobe light app that controls the led :D Aug 26 19:35:52 it'd have to be a REALLY dark room lol Aug 26 19:37:59 hey LarrySteeze. Any word out of NewEgg? Aug 26 19:38:06 yes. Aug 26 19:38:18 I called them because I never received a confirmation Aug 26 19:38:37 and the person who answered told me they don't accept phone orders...and whoever took it from me must have been screwing with me Aug 26 19:39:02 I have news from BestBuy as well... Aug 26 19:39:19 Oh? Aug 26 19:39:21 If you aren't able to get it today or tomorrow, BestBuy will no longer be carrying it. Ever. Aug 26 19:39:31 jeeze /hurricane Aug 26 19:39:41 Yeah, we… Long story. She accidentally dismissed the alarm instead of snoozing it this morning. :/ Aug 26 19:39:59 they don't get shipments at the beginning of the day Aug 26 19:40:02 We arrived at Best Buy late enough that all their stock had already been claimed by the people in line before us. Aug 26 19:40:02 they're mid to late day Aug 26 19:40:24 call your local BB and ask if any are in transit or "shipment allocated" Aug 26 19:40:26 Best Buy has started doing a… I don't know. Deli style take a number thing for the stock they expect to arrive that day. Aug 26 19:40:33 Not sure what to call it. Aug 26 19:40:40 the youtube app icon just forwards to the webbrowser - that is correct behavior? there's no native youtube app Aug 26 19:40:40 not all of them have Aug 26 19:41:01 Optimo_: correct. No need for app when flash runs fine. Aug 26 19:41:02 Optimo_: yes. Aug 26 19:41:12 the icon is just strange then Aug 26 19:41:57 twbbas: of course there's a need for an app-it'll give you the H264 versions which can be decoded by the hardware instead of through a software layer like flash does, saving you battery life :p Aug 26 19:42:16 but you can't see top comments :D Aug 26 19:42:26 hey...can you change a kind dynamically? Aug 26 19:42:26 top comments > battery Aug 26 19:42:52 youtube comments are about as valuable as dogpoo on my shoe Aug 26 19:43:06 but funny Aug 26 19:43:30 I don't trust youtubers to moderate comments Aug 26 19:51:33 Yeah, that's why I use http://clea.nr/ when browsing YouTube. So much nicer to have… Nothing. Aug 26 19:58:42 when I install preware what patches should I get for the touchpad? I've already minimized logging through the ##logs# trick Aug 26 20:01:30 does SDLTerminal work on touchpad? Aug 26 20:03:36 Optimo_: no Aug 26 20:03:47 I should stick to remote ssh then eh? Aug 26 20:04:01 For now; or xecutah+xserver+xterm Aug 26 20:04:08 eww Aug 26 20:04:10 ;p Aug 26 20:04:23 better than a sharp stick in the eye. Aug 26 20:10:25 Ouch… An Aaron's in the area has "a lot" of Touchpads in stock, but refuses the sell them. Lease only, and must be leased with a laptop or TV as well. :( Aug 26 20:11:19 Did the 6pack deal already expire, none of the promo codes work for me Aug 26 20:15:05 if anyone else has gone through installing and using openssh on their touchpad maye they can point me in the right direction. I need to get the keys so I must use the tethered command-line to get this all setup at first? Aug 26 20:18:07 SineOt: You have to lease the Touchpad? How does that even make sense? Aug 26 20:18:48 huh? Aug 26 20:19:02 dgathright: Aaron's is a lease to own company like Rent A Center. Got word that they had a bunch of stock, and sure enough, they do. Aug 26 20:20:09 They just won't let you buy it out right and won't let you lease it by itself, only when it's bundled with a TV or laptop. Aug 26 20:20:23 Haha, wow. I never did understand the whole rent-to-own business model, and certainly don't now. I can either buy a toaster for $30, or rent one for $7. *shrugs* Aug 26 20:20:54 my local walmart just got a shipment of touchpads Aug 26 20:20:59 other walmarts may have as well Aug 26 20:21:01 buy buy buy Aug 26 20:21:13 they got a shipment of 5...it's half an hour away Aug 26 20:21:16 I don't think I'll make it Aug 26 20:21:34 dgathright: Basically for people without a lot of cash over head. I can buy a TV for 500$, or rent it for 15$ a month and buy it at the end of the lease for 700$ total. Aug 26 20:21:51 Might not have the 500$ to buy it outright, but would have the 15$ Aug 26 20:22:17 LarrySteeze: how'd you find out? Aug 26 20:22:20 called Aug 26 20:22:24 True, I guess not everyone has credit cards. Aug 26 20:22:42 dgathright: don't buy something on your CC if you can't pay it off right away Aug 26 20:22:47 Or could, but has terrible credit! Aug 26 20:22:55 HELLO 29% APR Aug 26 20:22:57 LarrySteeze: I know. :) Aug 26 20:23:25 Boo, called ours and they said they're out with no further shipments Aug 26 20:23:53 I'm just not even going to worry about touch pads over the weekend. shopping.hp.com will get plenty next week (I hope) Aug 26 20:26:09 well, that's it, I just finished ragecomics... Aug 26 20:26:19 rumor is shopping.hp.com will get them September 14th Aug 26 20:27:44 Uff… September 14th sure seems like a long time away Aug 26 20:28:05 Especially when I've been hoping to get one so I can quit dragging my laptop with me to and from the college campus Aug 26 20:29:03 but that doesn't mean don't keep checking Aug 26 20:29:07 because again, it's just a rumor Aug 26 20:29:21 rumors are wrong all the time Aug 26 20:29:38 a developer friend just explained to me why webos launches apps so slowly. Aug 26 20:31:08 hm Aug 26 20:31:17 I got it working yay Aug 26 20:31:30 everybody waits for his touchpad, am i the only one who'S waiting for an announcement about the future? Aug 26 20:31:55 September 14th? just in time for holiday! :D Aug 26 20:32:31 NuttyBunny: again, it's a rumor, take it with a grain of salt Aug 26 20:32:36 [3 Aug 26 20:32:39 Er. Aug 26 20:32:42 Sorry. Aug 26 20:32:45 what's sept 14th? Aug 26 20:33:15 Nothing, Sept 16 is, at least in Mexico Aug 26 20:33:29 fxspec06_: rumored restock date for HP's site Aug 26 20:33:48 =O Aug 26 20:33:54 lol, that's kinda awesome Aug 26 20:33:57 spread the love out Aug 26 20:34:10 drag this as long as they can Aug 26 20:34:18 That's like, in 3 weeks? Aug 26 20:34:23 buy some time, dig down some heals, rethink everything Aug 26 20:34:29 I'm sure that it's going to drag on for a long time Aug 26 20:34:48 my touchstone is stated to arrive on Sept 20, so, don't complain :P Aug 26 20:35:04 I think I want to buy another touchstone Aug 26 20:35:06 I'm positive that the manufacturers building the things over in China aren't too happy and will complete the orders they're already in the process of building Aug 26 20:35:21 I only bought one -_- Aug 26 20:59:47 So Touchpad accessories, is HP going to close out on them too I suspect? Aug 26 21:00:01 They have, but good luck finding them. Aug 26 21:00:08 Oh, okay.. Nevermind then.. heh Aug 26 21:00:14 Best Buy, Staples, and Office Max all dropped them to 50% off Aug 26 21:00:16 hey folks! Aug 26 21:00:19 Wife looked a few days ago and the touchstonew as still like $80 Aug 26 21:00:49 I tried to get stupid staples to PM their last BT Kbd to BB price.. blah! Aug 26 21:01:04 hey is anyone else having their touchpad not want to load their profile data? Aug 26 21:01:10 (or heard about this? link?) Aug 26 21:01:53 Has anyone tried any old inductive charger with the touchpad? Aug 26 21:02:02 Yeah, it's dumb that the Touchstone was almost as much as the tablet itself Aug 26 21:02:23 SineOt: That's like saying, I got a free car, but gas costs more than the car, and that's dumb Aug 26 21:02:46 ok not quite :) Aug 26 21:03:09 ajay: it's more like I bought a new car for 15,000 but the radio is another 13,000 P: Aug 26 21:04:11 SineOt: no way, the touchstones were a bit expensive at first, but at $30-ish I think they're very reasonable, esp since you can buy just a normal stand around that price. Aug 26 21:04:18 Staples nearby has the HP case and touchstone.... Aug 26 21:04:41 Although Staples has the touchstone at $50 it looks like Aug 26 21:04:44 ajay: oh no no, I mean after the Touchpad itself dropped to 99, a lot of places were still selling the Touchstone for 80 Aug 26 21:05:37 SineOt: Yeah it's true.. I wonder if HP privately firesaled the TS's to retaillers, it's a curious feat.. Aug 26 21:06:09 http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/26/steve-jobs-apple-photo-resignation-ceo-sick/ Aug 26 21:06:37 decider guys Aug 26 21:06:40 and gals Aug 26 21:06:50 found somewhere doing the TP Aug 26 21:06:57 but its more expensive obviously Aug 26 21:07:02 how much more? Aug 26 21:07:04 should/shouldnt I Aug 26 21:07:11 talking £100 more Aug 26 21:07:31 dont feel like I should but doubt I'll get one cheaper Aug 26 21:07:45 up from £89 to £199 Aug 26 21:07:49 crazy Aug 26 21:08:02 Draecos: How much was it originally Aug 26 21:08:08 £89 Aug 26 21:08:11 ... Aug 26 21:08:13 Originally. Aug 26 21:08:23 oh you mean before the firesale Aug 26 21:08:25 £399 Aug 26 21:08:30 And is it worth the price? Aug 26 21:08:40 Of course it is Aug 26 21:08:50 this is what im trying to decide :) Aug 26 21:09:10 only played with it at a tech show before release and an instore demo unit Aug 26 21:09:15 LarrySteeze|E3D: He's looking at half off original price Aug 26 21:09:22 ^^ Aug 26 21:09:24 basically Aug 26 21:09:35 Vs almost 1/5th Aug 26 21:09:38 not firesale price but cheaper than most ebay thieves Aug 26 21:09:53 not looking for a decision, just some thoughts Aug 26 21:09:57 Draecos: Wife got hers for $190 US for the 32G, vs $150, so not bad.. with shipping Aug 26 21:10:24 Draecos: If you want to wait a few weeks there's a chance people start selling theirs.. People who bought on a whim and really don't want it etc Aug 26 21:10:35 Or the demand goes down and the ebay prices drop Aug 26 21:10:38 yea, that had crossed my mind Aug 26 21:10:54 Test Aug 26 21:10:57 fail Aug 26 21:11:00 only problem is I'll be out the UK then Aug 26 21:11:11 unless I buy it in Oz Aug 26 21:11:18 on fleabay Aug 26 21:11:21 It'll be double the price there ;) Aug 26 21:11:27 heh Aug 26 21:11:33 I've heard prices there are really high Aug 26 21:11:38 Poking around on Craigslist, it's… Kind of sad really. Someone wants to trade a Touchpad for an EEE Pad Transformer (350$ new) Aug 26 21:11:39 I think I am an addict Aug 26 21:12:11 SineOt: hahaahaah... Nerp. Aug 26 21:12:40 so based on the prices and the fact I wont be around for 6 months Aug 26 21:12:59 I guess it would be sensible... unless I just bite my tongue and wait Aug 26 21:13:05 goddamn it hp Aug 26 21:13:11 bastards Aug 26 21:14:26 I'm still confused if all US inventory of TPs is out, or if they're just moving in from warehouses or what.. i assume not.. and this talk of factory orders being fulfilled--i'm skeptical Aug 26 21:15:23 ajay: I don't know what anyone knows, really. I just know that there's been a ton of talk, even from folks at HP, that there will be another batch of Touchpads for sale in the near future. Aug 26 21:15:25 anyone think HP might restart production? Based on some of the comments they have made the last couple of days? Aug 26 21:15:40 My understanding is that HP will be selling the TPs that were returned to them from other retailers (ie. Costco) Aug 26 21:15:44 and there's places like TechData that just worked out an agreement to receive another 120,000 touch pads to fill back orders Aug 26 21:15:58 blimey Aug 26 21:16:01 they received 120k orders? Aug 26 21:16:02 so if they can order 120,000 units, there's got to be a lot of stock floating around SOMEWHERE Aug 26 21:16:02 jesus Aug 26 21:16:13 bpadalino: at least they put the effort in to get them filled Aug 26 21:16:22 true Aug 26 21:16:26 onSale took something like 100,000 orders when they had MAYBE 10,000 in stock Aug 26 21:16:38 yeah, onSale pissed off a lot of people Aug 26 21:16:41 and they just up and cancelled the orders they couldn't fill Aug 26 21:16:45 they pissed me off, that's for sure Aug 26 21:17:35 just glad I didn't use my debit card to make the purchase, otherwise I really would have been screwed if I found them for sale somewhere else (like that happened, ffff) Aug 26 21:18:09 we were SO close to getting them this morning at Best Buy :( Aug 26 21:18:43 I still haven't heard from B&N about my $20 gift card.. Aug 26 21:18:46 what happened ? Aug 26 21:18:55 SineOt: I was at BB the day they got some in, but didn't know to come back.. damn! Aug 26 21:18:59 they didn't have enough and stopped vouchers before they got to you ? Aug 26 21:19:17 bpadalino: she turned off the alarm instead of snoozing it, so we overslept and stopped vouchers by the time we managed to get there Aug 26 21:19:27 kicking myself in the face for not setting more than one alarm Aug 26 21:19:43 ah Aug 26 21:20:03 it's showing my store has some "IN STORE ONLY" on the website .. but when i went today, they said no more .. Aug 26 21:20:16 handed the last voucher out as we pulled into the parking lot :( Aug 26 21:20:21 so i am wondering if they've been received by the store, and are still on pallettes Aug 26 21:20:38 they said they handed out vouchers yesterday .. so i am guessing this is a new shipment? Aug 26 21:21:16 who has friends that work in warehouses? :| Aug 26 21:21:16 Don't know. Yesterday one BB we went to had no idea about the vouchers at all… So it seems very hit or miss right now Aug 26 21:21:29 interesting Aug 26 21:21:53 i am waiting for a deal on a touchstone Aug 26 21:21:58 have you seen any ? Aug 26 21:22:00 Damn my TP doesn't like my existing palm profile, so i logged on w/ my backup and got all the free apps on that, ack. (I assumed there'd be enough for all) Aug 26 21:22:02 it is possible that there was a truck that arrived and has more, but getting that info out of floor level employees will be like pulling teeth Aug 26 21:22:05 bpadalino: Cheaper than ~$30? Aug 26 21:22:09 $30 is fine Aug 26 21:22:11 where are htey $30 ? Aug 26 21:22:22 or getting pulling teeth from a bleeding stone :I Aug 26 21:23:07 i guess they open at 10a tomorrow .. maybe i'll check website inventory in the morning and stop by to see what's up Aug 26 21:23:27 bpadalino: lotsa places i think.. hrmm.. check slickdeals Aug 26 21:23:30 bpadalino: if you can, get there before they open Aug 26 21:23:32 ajay: thanks Aug 26 21:23:34 maybe $35-40 is easier to find Aug 26 21:23:37 SineOt: will do Aug 26 21:23:46 we got there at 9:20 and they had already passed out all the vouchers for the stock they were getting today Aug 26 21:23:51 (store opened at 10) Aug 26 21:24:27 it was crazy to watch the stock of BT kbd and TSs disappear before my eyes at BB. (I came too late to get a case.. I ordered online, and i got 4 emails yesterday (with the wrong quantities in it) saying "coming soon" but that was it..) Aug 26 21:25:57 anyone know what causes an app to sit on the loading card view endlessly Aug 26 21:26:06 is there a JS function to copy an object? Aug 26 21:28:00 ugh Aug 26 21:28:12 my buddy managed to get 2 TP at bestbuy (thanks to a friend of his) on TUESDAY Aug 26 21:28:19 nice Aug 26 21:28:20 im still waiting for fedex to show up with mine.. Aug 26 21:29:13 i got mine on wednesday Aug 26 21:29:19 at best buy Aug 26 21:30:08 I missed them by about 25minutes on thrusday. Aug 26 21:31:58 I missed by an hour on Saturday night. Aug 26 21:32:41 so, does anyone think there will be another deal tomorrow? Aug 26 21:33:54 dgarbs: a deal...? Aug 26 21:34:01 $99 touchpads Aug 26 21:34:03 from hp.com Aug 26 21:34:11 Dunno. @ByrnaAtHP and @MarkAtHP both make it sound like there won't be a sale this weekend Aug 26 21:34:12 nobody here knows.. i don't know if anyone at HP knows :) Aug 26 21:34:22 dgarbs: oh... were they available again on hp.com? Aug 26 21:34:55 dgarbs: I thought they were going to notify those of us who signed up via email...? Aug 26 21:34:57 speaking of hp.com, I note that the prices on the phones went up to $100 Aug 26 21:34:59 that's what i was asking lol Aug 26 21:35:16 i would not count on an email notification Aug 26 21:35:20 They will, but I don't know if email is going to be the best way to find out Aug 26 21:35:21 that email server is going to be overloaded Aug 26 21:35:31 a 5 minute delay might mean that all of the stock is already gone Aug 26 21:35:36 wow Aug 26 21:35:40 oh did I miss the $50 veers/pre2s?? damn forgot to look Aug 26 21:35:41 no, no, all of you should count on an email notification Aug 26 21:35:47 It's good people who want them are getting them, I guess Aug 26 21:35:48 haha dwc- Aug 26 21:35:48 * dwc- needs another TP Aug 26 21:36:04 what you really shouldn't wait on is a slickdeals deal alert Aug 26 21:36:12 those things always show up long after deals are dead Aug 26 21:36:22 $50 veers? Aug 26 21:36:23 dwc-: yeah i just realized that yesterday.. hrmm.. what do you recommend? Aug 26 21:36:30 gotta just watch that slickdeals thread Aug 26 21:36:32 which sucks Aug 26 21:36:33 I have no recommendations, honestly Aug 26 21:36:36 I will always wonder whether BB would have given me the refund on the one they took back the morning of Aug 20 Aug 26 21:36:36 Optimo_: oh maybe it was just the pre2 then, i just assumed Aug 26 21:36:47 pakl: it's more like people who want one just for it being cheap are getting them and those that want one are left scrambling to find one SOMEWHERE Aug 26 21:36:47 I mean, the price match Aug 26 21:36:51 ajay: you did miss out on the $50 veers/pre2's at palm HQ Aug 26 21:36:54 dgarbs: just watch slickdeals.com/live Aug 26 21:37:08 the moment anything goes live the threads get smashed with posts about it, would be real hard to miss Aug 26 21:37:09 SineOt: Yeah... that is a shame. Also, those who are buying more than one or two. Aug 26 21:37:12 the latest posts part? Aug 26 21:37:16 I haven't quite figured out the difference in a Veer and a Pre Aug 26 21:37:26 damn SineOt Aug 26 21:37:29 that's a good call Aug 26 21:37:32 never know about it Aug 26 21:37:45 Khaytsus, screen size, processor, screen Aug 26 21:37:47 dgarbs: yeah. the Touchpad thread basically dominates everything on Slickdeals right now Aug 26 21:38:00 @ByrnaAtHP doesn't know shizzle waste of time following hp if you ask me Aug 26 21:38:02 i like this setup for sure Aug 26 21:38:11 dwc-: where was it? I guess i looked at the wrong site Aug 26 21:38:28 slickdeals.net Aug 26 21:38:29 not com Aug 26 21:38:49 ahh the perils of not having a .com domain Aug 26 21:38:57 slickdeals.com works, doesn't it? Aug 26 21:39:02 ajay: palm hq. sunnyvale, ca Aug 26 21:39:04 no Aug 26 21:39:12 worked for me, just tried it :o Aug 26 21:39:17 oh wow Aug 26 21:39:17 it does Aug 26 21:39:20 dwc-: oh physically in person.. "I guess i didn't get the memo" Aug 26 21:39:25 wonder when they finally bought that Aug 26 21:39:53 http://www.productdomains.com/2010/03/05/massively-popular-community-driven-deal-site-slickdeals-net-acquires-com-domain/ Aug 26 21:39:58 guess i need to get with the times Aug 26 21:40:47 i think overall people are really liking their touchpads Aug 26 21:41:03 i found that doctoring to 3.0.2 is preferable to setting it up on 3.0 and updating Aug 26 21:41:25 dgarbs: Oh man, I had to hit 'download now' like a dozen times (probably more!) i don't recommend Aug 26 21:41:31 not even that Aug 26 21:41:34 i think the device just feels faster Aug 26 21:41:37 not sure why Aug 26 21:41:40 even bone stock Aug 26 21:41:40 dgarbs: really? :P do you prefer install windows 7 or install vista and then upgrade to 7? Aug 26 21:41:46 dgarbs: I'd believe that Aug 26 21:41:55 NuttyBunny: well that makes sense, we Aug 26 21:41:59 we're talking 3.0 to 3.0.2 Aug 26 21:42:06 you shouldn't NEED to clean install each time :P Aug 26 21:42:16 dgarbs: haha, you're funny Aug 26 21:42:29 j/k.. you're right, it's annoying Aug 26 21:42:38 OTA update must leave a lot of garbage Aug 26 21:42:46 it feels totally different w/ a doctored 3.0.2 Aug 26 21:43:24 it doesn't, the OTA files have scripts that delete the unneeded files... the garbage is in the data files :) Aug 26 21:43:46 stupid @quickoffice... where's my update? Aug 26 21:44:05 Stupid everything, where's my touchpad? :( Aug 26 21:46:04 SineOt: did you look under your pillow? Aug 26 21:46:16 I did… All that was there was my other pillow :( Aug 26 21:46:17 SineOt: Oh actually you were supposed to leave a tooth there first Aug 26 21:46:29 And under THAT pillow was my arm Aug 26 21:46:38 oo sleepy arm-status Aug 26 21:48:09 join #touchpad Aug 26 21:49:07 I refuse Aug 26 21:49:32 Okay Aug 26 21:49:38 Where do I put my new stickers. Aug 26 21:50:05 up your ass Aug 26 21:52:14 what's #touchpad? hrmm.. Aug 26 21:52:23 so nobody has the palm profile not-backing-up issue? gah.. Aug 26 21:58:40 Puffy_wirc, :( Aug 26 22:00:35 hmm. i sent my gf a link to the 6 pack last night, and she ignored it, and is now angry that she did. heh Aug 26 22:01:06 I'm angry as well... "This promo code is not for your country"... Aug 26 22:05:52 I'm angry as well Aug 26 22:05:58 will updating touchpad prevent "future" otheros install? Aug 26 22:06:02 I don't know why Aug 26 22:06:27 NuttyBunny: still looking for the TP Aug 26 22:06:28 ? Aug 26 22:06:36 Yep Aug 26 22:07:23 It left Lenexa KS at 4:46pm today Aug 26 22:07:30 Should be here Monday. Aug 26 22:07:37 when does it need to be in NC? Aug 26 22:08:07 next week is ok, my friend comes back on sept 14 Aug 26 22:09:55 hm, how do I collect the 50gb box.net storage Aug 26 22:09:59 I signed in from my touchpad Aug 26 22:10:10 you need to download the app Aug 26 22:10:15 per the website, and per the phone app, I'm still at 5gb Aug 26 22:10:30 i confused the box.net client i had for the box app, heh Aug 26 22:11:56 oh, do I need to get the box for touchpadd app? Aug 26 22:12:00 I have 50Gb, dwc- download the app Aug 26 22:12:01 yes Aug 26 22:12:12 Y'know, the pain of not being able to find a Touchpad is being eased… By watching Japanese car commercials :I Aug 26 22:12:13 seriously? but... synergy! Aug 26 22:13:10 hmm, not "box.net client" ... "box for touchpad - 50gb free" ... Aug 26 22:13:20 * dwc- wonders what this client does that sets it at 50gb Aug 26 22:13:33 15:02 will updating touchpad prevent "future" otheros install? Aug 26 22:13:36 was that a ps3 joke? Aug 26 22:13:56 seems a valid question for people who don't know that sort of stuff. Aug 26 22:13:57 * ajay wants to see Meego instead of Ubuntu under webOS Aug 26 22:15:04 has anyone written an extensive guide for webos users considering android switch? Aug 26 22:15:35 anywhere to get cheap touchstones yet? Aug 26 22:15:44 so i finally finished downloading the 3.0.2 update, and its sitting there, says installation will take 15 minutes, but its been a few and it isn't doing anything ? Aug 26 22:15:47 cxreg: cheaper than 35-40$? Aug 26 22:15:47 depends on what you mean by cheap Aug 26 22:15:58 plov Aug 26 22:16:00 who's got them for $35? Aug 26 22:16:03 plov: i closed and restarted the app.. it was quite an annoting process Aug 26 22:16:04 35-40 is hard to find anymore Aug 26 22:16:07 update to 3.0.2 with a doctor Aug 26 22:16:10 it works better Aug 26 22:16:15 s/annoting/annoying Aug 26 22:16:20 jeez after installing the recommended speed-up patches, installing the 3.0.2 update, tweaking the logs out, and a couple of small changes to my device's built-in enya, the difference between mine and my gf's stock device is astounding. Aug 26 22:16:25 i'm going to doctor too, but mainly for the ext3 partition Aug 26 22:16:33 plov: close the app and do another update check, and it will be fine Aug 26 22:16:40 ah ok i see now, thanks Aug 26 22:16:48 didnt want to close it in case it was actually updating right there Aug 26 22:16:50 i think they meant for that to be an "ok" button to continue, rather than a progress indicator at the bottom. or something. because it doesn't work Aug 26 22:16:54 enya? is it sail away, sail away, sail away? Aug 26 22:17:01 EricBlade: yea haha Aug 26 22:17:14 NuttyBunny: why is this official box app so terrible Aug 26 22:17:16 3.0.2 doctor > 3.0.2 update Aug 26 22:17:19 hm, bb is selling them for $40 now? Aug 26 22:17:23 it can't even format for portrait... Aug 26 22:17:27 plov: when you close the update app and try again, it will almost immediately go to a screen that makes it obvious it's doing something Aug 26 22:17:55 is rwitby here Aug 26 22:18:08 rwhitby* Aug 26 22:18:38 rwhitby is always here Aug 26 22:18:42 dwc-, why do you care? you get 50Gb of space!!! Aug 26 22:18:49 rwhitby is omnipresent Aug 26 22:18:58 Storage: 2.1MB of 5.0GB Aug 26 22:19:03 yea, I really need that 50GB :P Aug 26 22:19:21 I mean available to help Aug 26 22:19:23 hehehe... they may update it sometime :) Aug 26 22:20:13 Storage: 2.1MB of 50.0GB Aug 26 22:20:14 there. fixed. Aug 26 22:20:18 store all your music in it~ Aug 26 22:20:22 or somethin' Aug 26 22:20:51 * dwc- wonders if anything stops 5 people from logging into box from the same touchpad and upgrading them all Aug 26 22:26:51 man this facebook app's interface is the mostly disturbingly inconsistent thing i've ever seen outside of GTK Aug 26 22:29:20 you can always use the web interface if you don't like the app Aug 26 22:31:12 or use something better than facebook Aug 26 22:31:17 LarrySteeze: i love parts of the app Aug 26 22:32:23 sometimes selecting a message will automatically take you where you'd expect it to, other times you have to click a link to the message, or click on one of the names in the message, to get there. some things that will open right in the app, other things it will open a browser to go to. Aug 26 22:33:19 ooh, it's easy to mount box.net under ubuntu. nice. Aug 26 22:33:53 oh but i don't know how to access it from the CLI.. ;^| Aug 26 22:33:56 is it?.. I'll try later :) Aug 26 22:34:05 gtg Aug 26 22:34:12 having to use the minimse/card view button to exit windows is starting to annoy me, its much more than the single click economy of effort for other gui paradigms Aug 26 22:34:32 are there any alternatives, that i had missed Aug 26 22:34:36 swipe up Aug 26 22:34:43 from below the screen Aug 26 22:35:05 all that seems to do is minimise to the card view Aug 26 22:35:30 uh, yeah. Aug 26 22:35:59 hmmm Aug 26 22:36:05 this does not bode well for pre3 price reductions Aug 26 22:36:17 (palm UK eurostore) Aug 26 22:36:17 that's annoying. it'd be nice if there were app switch buttons in the top Aug 26 22:36:18 We have begun the process of contacting Customers who have an existing order with us. We have a limited stock of Pre3 which is being offered to those customers on the following basis Aug 26 22:36:22 - In strict rotation of date/time of order being received - the priority list Aug 26 22:36:23 or on each app :D Aug 26 22:36:24 - Only one Pre3 per customer Aug 26 22:36:26 It is clear that many people are accepting their orders under these new conditions - which means we do not expect to be able to satisfy the full order backlog with our limited supply. When we have consumed all available inventory we will then notify the remaining customers of the fact that we have had to cancel their order. Aug 26 22:36:32 - Standard Published Price ( No Price Reduction / Special Price was issued by HP ) Aug 26 22:36:50 fedex.. you've never been this late before.. dont start now Aug 26 22:37:00 I DO NOT want my package stuck on a truck over the weekend.. Aug 26 22:38:11 that is an improvement Aug 26 22:38:21 if swiping off screen in different directions would switch apps that'd be cool Aug 26 22:38:29 http://recombu.com/news/hp-touchpad-goes-back-up-to-full-price-supply-and-demand_M15004.html Aug 26 22:38:57 EricBlade: it does on the phones - swiping across the gesture area will switch apps Aug 26 22:39:12 Does anyone have any tips for someone about to make a Sprint Pre 2? Aug 26 22:39:22 follow the directions? :P Aug 26 22:39:25 besides that Aug 26 22:39:26 Is there an issue settting canvas height and width through js Aug 26 22:39:31 like anything you guys ran into Aug 26 22:39:35 follow them closely? :P Aug 26 22:39:39 ... lol Aug 26 22:39:40 CTLAdvance: i think so Aug 26 22:39:42 haeffb: gesture area? Aug 26 22:39:46 well Aug 26 22:39:51 wish me luck... about to go do it Aug 26 22:39:51 rather you cannot overwrite the hardcoded value Aug 26 22:39:53 ok just making sure it wasnt me :) Aug 26 22:40:00 do i need to go read a manual? haha Aug 26 22:40:02 but i thhink you can if you do it dynamically Aug 26 22:40:06 my tip: the keyboard bezel tabs have to be flexed to get them to go back into place Aug 26 22:40:13 Meaning dont specify one in the tag? Aug 26 22:40:18 or create the tag in a div Aug 26 22:40:18 no Aug 26 22:40:21 using js Aug 26 22:40:23 as in create it with js Aug 26 22:40:24 haeffb: thanks Aug 26 22:40:25 EricBlade: phones have a gesture area below the screen Aug 26 22:40:27 hmm Aug 26 22:40:29 interesting Aug 26 22:40:32 I could do that Aug 26 22:40:34 i could be wrong Aug 26 22:40:38 I will have to try that in a bit Aug 26 22:40:44 but it sounds like something i encountered Aug 26 22:40:56 Uhm, does TouchPad have Gorilla glass or not? Aug 26 22:41:08 good question! Aug 26 22:41:13 I know its something that has always been screwy but wanted to make sure it wasnt something I am missing Aug 26 22:41:15 I hope so :D Aug 26 22:41:20 it does Aug 26 22:41:23 zomg! Aug 26 22:41:25 :D Aug 26 22:41:32 It is supposed to Aug 26 22:41:51 hrm Aug 26 22:41:53 * Ironsight checks Aug 26 22:42:06 * Ironsight smashes his screen :O Aug 26 22:42:07 * haeffb doesn't have a gorilla to check with Aug 26 22:42:35 twbbas: think of a flexible steel ruler Aug 26 22:42:41 guess not, *pulls out another of the 3000 he ordered* Aug 26 22:42:53 ok see yaz! Aug 26 22:43:08 I'm asking because pre-release news reportet that it does, yet http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/full-products-list Aug 26 22:43:16 * Ironsight tosses a couple on the fire Aug 26 22:43:17 this doesn't list touchpad. Aug 26 22:43:26 gorilla glass by no means makes it unbreakable Aug 26 22:43:40 infact its really breakable Aug 26 22:43:50 orangutan glass? Aug 26 22:43:50 but, it resists normal wear and tear better Aug 26 22:44:09 I have not used that one but elephant glass is supposed to be better Aug 26 22:44:17 wow, it's tough to find a touchstone Aug 26 22:44:28 when i went in last week to get my rebate they were not on sale yet so i didnt buy one Aug 26 22:44:32 and now it's like too damn late Aug 26 22:44:33 not if you have a half dozen laying around the house Aug 26 22:44:34 what do you mean, I have a stone on my desk... I touched it Aug 26 22:44:49 haeffb: the tp dock, not the little circle one Aug 26 22:44:52 * Ironsight tosses a handful of touchstones in the fire too Aug 26 22:44:55 brrrr, cold Aug 26 22:45:17 cxreg: oh, I bet I could find one of those as well... Aug 26 22:45:21 ...yep, there it is. Aug 26 22:45:40 <-- pays full price for shit that he shouldn't Aug 26 22:45:42 I through my little circles out Aug 26 22:45:45 useless... Aug 26 22:45:46 at the best buy i got mine at, they'd never heard of the touchstones. nor any of the other accessories that were listed in the manual Aug 26 22:46:12 i think microcenter had them half price and dumped them all though Aug 26 22:46:17 like the TouchPads themselves, accessories were a highly kept secret until Saturday. Aug 26 22:46:19 Do you have the HP Circular Saw Attachment? Aug 26 22:46:22 I guess I need to buy a touchstone to be like the cool kids in here Aug 26 22:46:28 amazon has them... for $65 Aug 26 22:46:54 I have the HP Urinal Cake Attachment Aug 26 22:47:05 I feel they marked up the cake refills though Aug 26 22:47:18 at $99, just buy another attachment Aug 26 22:47:26 good point Aug 26 22:47:40 heh. in the app store, i try to load a description of an app, i get "Operation could not be completed. Retry." Aug 26 22:47:40 Is there a good ftp client at all for webos (IE: filezilla-like)? Aug 26 22:47:42 just like their printers Aug 26 22:47:49 the only button is retry, i can't choose to abort the operation. Aug 26 22:47:49 so, retry. Aug 26 22:47:51 Tired of busting out the USB cable, althoguh I'm about to do the openssh server on it. Aug 26 22:48:00 retry harder Aug 26 22:48:18 retry it until you break your face Aug 26 22:48:29 and then retry again Aug 26 22:48:49 Wasnt this channel for WebOS dev... I feel like its now for HP Cheap Touchpads and ... Aug 26 22:48:50 pc500: do the openssh server and then run filezilla Aug 26 22:48:54 on your client Aug 26 22:48:58 ok Aug 26 22:49:06 We need a #webos-device channel Aug 26 22:49:10 just a PITA to enable user/pass auth but I'll get the novaterm, etc. Aug 26 22:49:22 <-- #touchpad Aug 26 22:49:40 good to know Aug 26 22:49:50 we need to USE the #webos-device channel Aug 26 22:50:12 or wait a week until the furor dies down Aug 26 22:52:18 * haeffb may start charging HP $1.00 per app download since they won't approve my update with the price increase Aug 26 22:52:39 they will owe me literaly 10's of dollars. Aug 26 22:52:52 like, 2 or 3 10's Aug 26 22:53:14 and/or a TouchPad case Aug 26 22:54:08 Adora: What's up with app submissions? Aug 26 22:54:30 * ka6sox checks twitter. Aug 26 22:54:32 * haeffb should probably read the dev forums before asking Aug 26 22:54:38 dangit Aug 26 22:54:44 I don't have a T-5 screwdriver Aug 26 22:54:47 smallest I have is a T-10 Aug 26 22:54:53 No Sprint Pre 2 for me Aug 26 22:54:57 Gonna check hardware store tomorrow Aug 26 22:55:43 twbbas: I can email you one Aug 26 22:56:07 * haeffb wonders why one of my phone-only apps has seen a sudden spike in sales Aug 26 23:01:05 haeffb: we're trying to keep the channel on topic Aug 26 23:01:30 the best thing the devs in this channel can do is simply not engage with anyone talking any non-webos-dev talk. Aug 26 23:01:42 and encourage all channel participants to do the same Aug 26 23:02:16 there is a #touchpad channel to point people to for general touchpad questions Aug 26 23:03:07 does releasing an update on the app catalog have as long of a review wait as the initial release does? or is it more like beta; a few hours later Aug 26 23:03:52 zylogz80: it varies Aug 26 23:04:02 sometimes it takes even longer than the initial submittal Aug 26 23:04:09 aye! Aug 26 23:04:38 * haeffb considers whether responding to rwhitby is on topic or not Aug 26 23:04:47 lol, I was thinking same thing! Aug 26 23:05:14 * haeffb will buy rwhitby a beer next time I see him to apologize Aug 26 23:08:02 haeffb, it is if you wrap it in Code. enyo.kind({kind: irc.Rebuttal, published: { annoyed: true, bummedOut: true}, components: [ {name: "reply", content: "Hey man, chill out."} ] tellRwhitby: function() { this.$.reply.show() } }); Aug 26 23:08:23 * zylogz80 kicks himself Aug 26 23:10:14 * haeffb leaves to go watch the opening of High School football season. And ponder what changes to make in my webOS apps. Aug 26 23:12:35 does the official touchpad case break in after a bit Aug 26 23:12:46 Anyone using rsync to keep your movies/music/photos/whatever in sync? It seems every "cloud" service has file size limits, etc, and other annoyances. Aug 26 23:12:51 is anyone working on an adblock app? Aug 26 23:12:56 there's one on preware Aug 26 23:13:01 maxblock or something? Aug 26 23:13:08 maxblocker? Aug 26 23:13:13 probably Aug 26 23:13:17 there's 2 on there I beleive Aug 26 23:14:48 Yes, there is Ad Blocker and Max Blocker. Aug 26 23:14:52 ah got it Aug 26 23:14:54 thnx Aug 26 23:15:09 They're essentially just large lists of stuff for /etc/hosts Aug 26 23:16:41 haeffb: I was actually not suggesting you were off-topic. I was letting you know I support your complaint about the channel being too off-topic Aug 26 23:17:37 haeffb: and what we're doing about it Aug 26 23:21:24 TP is here Aug 26 23:21:54 pc500: not yet, but im looking to make my "hello world" app something mildly useful so I was thnking of something to implement the DOCUMENTS capability Aug 26 23:23:37 dawm - nice! Aug 26 23:24:34 it wont turn on? Aug 26 23:24:42 nvm Aug 26 23:24:50 this is no cabability provider for msn live, and the msn messenger. is that something that is befing worked on? Aug 26 23:25:06 no magic android one for me :| Aug 26 23:25:35 dawm|laptop: i had a problem that it needs to be charged off the mains usb, a laptop usb connection was unsufficient Aug 26 23:25:47 tolland: yeah thats a given Aug 26 23:25:57 thought it was dead on arrival doh Aug 26 23:26:14 i didnt hold down the pwr button long enough Aug 26 23:28:25 is the ac adapter different than the pres? Aug 26 23:28:32 its not charging off it Aug 26 23:28:56 also i hadn;t connnected the two parts of the plug correctly Aug 26 23:29:11 it needed to be twisted to lock into place Aug 26 23:29:44 well thats different Aug 26 23:29:49 if you have the multi country fitting Aug 26 23:30:35 i never noticed the pre charger came apart like that Aug 26 23:30:58 yeah pre charger is not compat Aug 26 23:31:11 fxspec06_: any idea why every time I open wildn it will immediately close? Aug 26 23:32:27 dawm|laptop: Isn't the Pre charger only half amp or so anyway? The TouchPad one is 2 amp. Aug 26 23:34:41 pre charger is 1.0A Aug 26 23:36:18 I've tossed out about 4 of the things - I'm in AU, and the ones with US phones aren't international ones. Aug 26 23:37:01 * Hendikins is still using his Treo Pro charger, since it at least has the right plug. Aug 26 23:39:41 YAY the Touchpad charger will charge my LG cell phone. that's one less USB thing. Aug 26 23:42:11 anyone order from datavis? Aug 26 23:43:32 anyone know of a way to hook up a digital camera card reader to touchpad Aug 26 23:43:57 grandy, nope Aug 26 23:43:59 not yet Aug 26 23:44:14 grandy: i'm going to guess that there's probably not an easy way there other than connecting them both to something else in the middle Aug 26 23:44:26 someone needs to make one like the ipad has Aug 26 23:44:31 EricBlade: microusb is microusb Aug 26 23:45:33 grandy: Feel free to work on that :D Aug 26 23:45:34 directhex: sure, but the devices still need to know how to speak to each other, right Aug 26 23:45:58 i'll contact my asian contacts Aug 26 23:45:58 EricBlade: the EU told mobile phone companies to voluntarily move to a common plug for charging, or they'd write it into law Aug 26 23:46:01 they'll make one Aug 26 23:46:15 GL Aug 26 23:46:15 directhex: ohhh you're stalking about chargers still Aug 26 23:46:46 so would there b any harm in using the charge for to with a phone ? Aug 26 23:46:54 tp* Aug 26 23:47:07 directhex: yeah .. just surprised, because i've got at least 4 different mobile devices plugged into USB right now, as well as the devices required to make my computer work, i'm actually exhausting all the USB ports on two computers just to keep all my junk powered up Aug 26 23:47:45 i really need to get a powered hub, and mount it into my desk Aug 26 23:47:51 basically do a,l microSD cables charge at the same rate? Aug 26 23:48:00 micro usb* Aug 26 23:48:32 haha Aug 26 23:48:33 bugg Aug 26 23:48:33 plovv i'd guess that's probably not true. my motherboard advertises that it's front ports charge portable devices at a much higher rate than it's rear ports Aug 26 23:48:40 update the app catalog, then pause it Aug 26 23:48:45 then click a app catalog URL Aug 26 23:48:53 and also i get a warning when i plug my touchpad into anything but it's charger, that it will not charge quickly if at all Aug 26 23:48:58 opens an empty mojo app and then the browser to http://index.html/ Aug 26 23:49:58 I'm just more concerned bout putting my phone to charge with the touchpad charge and nj Aug 26 23:50:20 since it might have too much power Aug 26 23:50:38 plovv: cables, yes (excluding apple iphone charge cables, which are specifically designed to charge slowly without modification). the cable is irrelevant - what matters is the host device sending power Aug 26 23:50:56 plov i'm guessing that they all put out the same -voltage- and have different current capabilities, as long as you have voltage within the right specs, it shouldn't be a problem Aug 26 23:51:07 well I meant wall charger Aug 26 23:51:20 plovv: all HP webOS chargers are compatible with all webOS devices Aug 26 23:51:39 some just charge quicker than others Aug 26 23:51:55 the company I bought my Touchpad from seem to have charged me for and dispatched to me a second HP Touchpad Aug 26 23:52:03 when i plug my tp into the pre wallwart its like "eww don't use that, use the one that came with the tp" Aug 26 23:52:04 and the tp bitches when you use a pre charger Aug 26 23:52:09 yeah Aug 26 23:52:09 the question is, do I send it back and get a refund, or do I sell it on eBay? Aug 26 23:52:23 nice thing, i was able to connect it to the USB ports in my car, and most high drain devices cause my car radio to freak out when i plug them in .. but the touchpad just said "oh, ok, less power available, i'll adjust and warn the user that it won't charge quickly" Aug 26 23:52:29 jackster: 16 or 32GB ? Aug 26 23:52:36 jackster: sell it at cost to your fellow webos enthusiast, who may have missed the chance to get a cheap tp Aug 26 23:52:36 bpadalino: 32gb Aug 26 23:52:56 so i can connect the touchpad and my radio adapter at the same time and not have the radio die Aug 26 23:52:56 directhex: know any web os enthusiasts in the uk who want one? Aug 26 23:53:15 jackster: d'oh, i was jus tin the uk last week :( Aug 26 23:53:20 :-( Aug 26 23:53:28 so there's no worry of `Over current` or whatever its called and destroying a phone battery if you use a more powerful charger for say s tablet? Aug 26 23:53:31 jackster: i can find about a dozen people who'd love to get their hands on one Aug 26 23:53:57 plovv: if it's a proper mini usb or microusb, i wouldn't expect there to be an overvoltage problem Aug 26 23:54:31 5 volts is 5 volts Aug 26 23:54:35 in general, a device will only use as much current as it needs, but if you supply too much voltage, that's when you let the magic smoke out Aug 26 23:54:50 not the magic smoke! :o :( Aug 26 23:54:54 it's not the volts you need to worry about, it's the amps Aug 26 23:55:23 for instance, my wife's usb charger for her galaxy tab, pretty high on the amps Aug 26 23:55:31 compared to normal usb Aug 26 23:55:57 however, it is possible that you can actually damage a cheap high amperage power supply connecting it to a low amperage device. but that's really rare, and usually only something you run into in home-made power supplies Aug 26 23:56:28 fine! Aug 26 23:56:49 and undercurrent can hurt a device more than overcurrent unless it's extreme overcurrent Aug 26 23:56:53 I'll just stop using the touchpad charger to charge my phone Aug 26 23:56:58 :-P Aug 26 23:57:12 << was one of the not-idiots at radioshack for a long time Aug 26 23:57:25 why cant i find any of these 6pack apps in the catalog.. Aug 26 23:57:36 oh, i was just going to start using the touchpad charger to charge my phone. i'll let you know if it ever blows up Aug 26 23:58:00 i charge my phone from one of the usb ports on my monitor Aug 26 23:58:19 is the touchpad usb3? Aug 26 23:58:30 no Aug 26 23:58:32 no Aug 26 23:58:37 humph Aug 26 23:58:41 hehe Aug 26 23:59:01 man, I have no usb3 devices to test this laptops usb3 port Aug 26 23:59:08 the browser for webOS needs a minimum font size setting Aug 26 23:59:23 hear hear Aug 27 00:00:26 also they need to get rid of the wobbling into grey out of bounds area Aug 27 00:03:03 just don't say we need 3d animated backgrounds Aug 27 00:03:14 cause that shit is for kids Aug 27 00:03:26 * Ironsight picks on his wife's droid Aug 27 00:03:44 boo Aug 27 00:03:50 app 6 pack.. all used up Aug 27 00:04:05 no more free 6 packs? Aug 27 00:04:08 :( Aug 27 00:04:29 every time i try it says all used up Aug 27 00:04:31 and honestly Aug 27 00:04:36 the links dont open the app cat Aug 27 00:04:40 ive had to navigate to the apps Aug 27 00:05:26 and why does it vibe when I sent a msg, but not when i receive one? Aug 27 00:08:45 brb Aug 27 00:13:54 I don't seem to be getting any results for reference documentation on the "DOCUMENTS" capability Aug 27 00:16:07 cant get sms to work on TP :| Aug 27 00:18:49 hrm Aug 27 00:18:59 i wondering if syncing my phone with the TP Aug 27 00:19:06 is why its getting a GPS lock Aug 27 00:21:27 the tp gets a GPS lock for you ? Aug 27 00:21:45 maps come up with my location, but i think it's due to wifi mapping Aug 27 00:22:24 bpadalino, wifi mapping Aug 27 00:22:31 ah Aug 27 00:22:35 just making sure :) Aug 27 00:22:55 it would be neat if a phone shared its gps info with a tp that was paired with it Aug 27 00:32:34 anyone from out of the us/canada area with a touchpad by chance? Aug 27 00:39:11 ugh Aug 27 00:39:14 cant get texting to work Aug 27 00:39:18 such a let down.. Aug 27 00:39:21 lol, that free bird app is actually pretty awesome Aug 27 00:40:55 rubbing it in now that it's no longer available? :( Aug 27 00:41:27 oil: that new game with the beetle is awesome too Aug 27 00:42:14 beetle? Aug 27 00:42:35 Beyond Ynth Aug 27 00:42:49 * oil looks Aug 27 00:43:05 oil: FREEBIRD! Aug 27 00:43:23 well it wasn't free, but it was free in the 6pack thing Aug 27 00:43:39 sounds like free to me Aug 27 00:45:48 also: http://i55.tinypic.com/1anp0.png Aug 27 00:49:50 that link crashed chrome -_- Aug 27 00:50:07 firefox handled it just fine Aug 27 00:50:42 LarrySteeze: its just a png Aug 27 00:50:57 though, chrome has crashed my pc twice recently Aug 27 00:51:06 from random webpages which load fine after recovering Aug 27 00:51:12 wow Aug 27 00:51:15 that nova game isnt tp compat Aug 27 00:51:19 broken graphics Aug 27 00:51:54 hero of sparta as well Aug 27 00:51:58 LarrySteeze: its juat a picture of one of the battles in robotek hd Aug 27 00:52:00 named "OIL" Aug 27 00:52:28 permission to go off topic for a second and talk about scotch? Aug 27 00:52:47 deadruuner broke Aug 27 00:52:55 dawm: neither could i (get texting to work) Aug 27 00:53:28 How do you tell your wife that the _expensive_ bottle of scotch she got you for your anniversary isn't as good as some of the others...simply so she doesn't buy it again...but that you certainly appreciate it Aug 27 00:53:30 cosmic nitro works great Aug 27 00:53:34 altho gfx arent highres Aug 27 00:53:49 LarrySteeze: you don't, not for a while Aug 27 00:54:01 tdn' Aug 27 00:54:11 sorry, girlfriend being weird Aug 27 00:54:44 yeah, LarrySteeze, you don't :] Aug 27 00:54:59 I think i got it Aug 27 00:55:18 I drink it way less than the other ones...so the bottle lasts forever and needs no refill Aug 27 00:55:48 That works too! Aug 27 00:55:54 fxspec06_: are you frankenpre? Aug 27 00:56:10 nope, pre 2 verizon Aug 27 00:56:16 hrm Aug 27 00:56:18 i didn't try very hard Aug 27 00:56:23 im sprint pre2 Aug 27 00:56:28 I've been pondering trying to put together a franken Verizon Pre2 Aug 27 00:56:38 and i haven't tried in a couple days. but it wouldn't work when i did try Aug 27 00:56:44 hr Aug 27 00:56:45 hrm Aug 27 00:56:50 dawm|laptop: as I understand it, txt forward requires 2.2 Aug 27 00:56:56 SineOt: do it. i have reports from precentral that it's so easy a caveman can do it Aug 27 00:56:56 lame Aug 27 00:57:07 so.. i bought nfs back when it was $9.99 Aug 27 00:57:12 now it says i dont own it? Aug 27 00:57:26 I was able to pair my pre- and receive calls on my TP Aug 27 00:57:29 but no txt forwarding Aug 27 00:57:29 fxspec06_: it's from a GSM Pre2 and a CDMA Pre+, which is apparently a fair bit more involved Aug 27 00:58:14 ohhhhh i see Aug 27 00:58:17 or maybe i cancelled the dl Aug 27 00:58:19 trade the GSM for a CDMA Aug 27 00:58:25 probrem solved Aug 27 00:58:26 but the catalog says i dont own it, altho i do own it Aug 27 00:58:31 im not paying $9.99 again Aug 27 00:58:48 and where is kesne's camera app? i cant find it in the catalog Aug 27 00:58:50 the new one is hot pursuit, not sure if that's the one you bought Aug 27 00:58:56 productivity Aug 27 00:59:02 dawm|laptop: Photography Aug 27 00:59:05 fx i had the original Aug 27 00:59:14 kesne: cannot find it, even searching or browsing Aug 27 00:59:22 fxspec06_: if I trade the GSM Pre2 for a CDMA Pre2 I wouldn't need to frankenfy it Aug 27 00:59:24 dawm|laptop: update to 3.0.2 Aug 27 00:59:29 gotcha Aug 27 00:59:34 ill assume i need to doctor? Aug 27 00:59:39 update aint ever working Aug 27 00:59:41 there's an OTA Aug 27 01:00:01 ota fails to download Aug 27 01:00:07 dawm|laptop: Works for me Aug 27 01:00:09 yeah, i doctored .. it was easier Aug 27 01:00:15 mine kept failing Aug 27 01:00:24 dawm|laptop: HP's servers have been suck recently.. too much traffic Aug 27 01:00:27 SineOt: I did a unlocked GSM Pre2 to a Sprint Pre2, wasn't too bad Aug 27 01:00:39 App store is slow as hell, the 3.0.2 update took 45 minutes to download, etc.. Aug 27 01:00:50 Flashpass_work: you swap the entire back plate, right? Aug 27 01:01:41 SineOt: not quite, basically you just swap the bezel and comm board, if you're looking from the side you'll see that plastic strip in between the top slider and the back Aug 27 01:02:13 hope these people fix their apps Aug 27 01:02:20 most of the PDK ones are broke Aug 27 01:02:38 well all the pdk games that i bought.. Aug 27 01:06:10 Flashpass_work: If it's not that hard, I'll look into it more then Aug 27 01:08:41 SineOt: Well you just sort of follow all the pictures, then install to correct firmware - just read through the site thoroughly to make sure you don't miss something Aug 27 01:09:00 I was more worried about the disassembly itself than the process, really Aug 27 01:09:47 yeah for the most part the walkthrough explains the watch-out-for's Aug 27 01:11:17 I'm newly in love with the wordpress app Aug 27 01:11:40 is there a tool to browse db8? Aug 27 01:11:43 fxspec06_: wildn is mojo? Aug 27 01:13:35 If I can dismantle various Apple products, I'm sure I can manage a Pre2. :] The Mac Mini is a little puzzle box, I swear. Aug 27 01:14:02 i have never succesfully disassembled an apple product Aug 27 01:14:15 either didn't fix the issue or broke it even worse :\ Aug 27 01:14:49 dawm|laptop: Ideas for where to put these stickers? Aug 27 01:15:01 back of TP Aug 27 01:15:04 on laptop Aug 27 01:15:18 dawm|laptop: My TouchPad has a case Aug 27 01:15:21 back window of your car Aug 27 01:16:00 Xuzz: some of them have been stupidly complex. The white iBook G3 required you to keep flipping it over to work at it from both sides to get to the hard drive Aug 27 01:16:26 i've never even tried an apple computer, only iOS stuff :\ Aug 27 01:16:37 then again, i've only ever owned MacBook Airs so there's not much you /can/ do Aug 27 01:16:51 the Intel Mac Mini squared one, not the saucer, does much the same after you remove the black inner support module thing that is a complex maze of ducts and wiring! Aug 27 01:35:24 hey all Aug 27 01:35:44 yoi Aug 27 01:59:35 Greetings, first time enyo/webos coder here - trying to do a webservice request to a host that requires http basic authentication, when the username or password is wrong it doesn't fail immediatly, rather it times out. Aug 27 02:02:41 bug perhaps? Aug 27 02:03:01 possible Aug 27 02:04:49 GG hp. the hp movie store. if you go to the account info page, it sends you to https://hp.roxionow.com/MyAccount.aspx Aug 27 02:05:01 expired certificate! Aug 27 02:05:21 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-work-of-webos-continues/ - new blog post it seems .. for those interested Aug 27 02:05:29 well, I guess that's roxio's fault more Aug 27 02:05:57 http://twitter.com/#!/AM3R1CN/status/107268172637417472 Aug 27 02:06:42 i don't like how it goes all modal when you do some things .. it's pretty terrible Aug 27 02:07:06 "Quickoffice HD, due early next week." awesome Aug 27 02:07:19 o rly? Aug 27 02:07:31 RobbinG: we've heard it all before Aug 27 02:07:41 take it with a grain of salt Aug 27 02:07:42 I've not had slow HP App Store usage yet Aug 27 02:07:48 dunno what AM3R1CAN is talking about Aug 27 02:08:00 maybe a lot of people are hitting it Aug 27 02:08:35 RobbieJ: watch webosworld.com for updates on the Quickoffice situation :) Aug 27 02:08:37 I have seen it be slow Aug 27 02:08:47 I'll update the site as soon as I get more info Aug 27 02:08:52 was there a Kindle update this week? Aug 27 02:10:03 I'm testing the basic auth with jquery now (which in chrome actually gives the 401 error) Aug 27 02:10:04 *Kindle app Aug 27 02:10:31 yes I believe Aug 27 02:10:42 so* Aug 27 02:11:04 anyone wanting a free place to chat, joint #webosworld Aug 27 02:11:07 for news on webos Aug 27 02:12:17 what's the difference between that channel and this one Aug 27 02:12:47 that channel is for the http://webosworld.com blog Aug 27 02:12:58 ah Aug 27 02:13:12 Ok, so it's not a bug in enyo because jquery behaves the same way on the touchpad and in the emulator... so it's a bug further up the chain Aug 27 02:13:14 and I am almost always in there and will update the channel with news as I happens Aug 27 02:13:32 PatrickC_TP: awesome. does that mean that non-dev discussions can go there? Aug 27 02:13:45 rwhitby: I guess so? Aug 27 02:13:56 Jake_M is the official op for the channel Aug 27 02:14:12 I'm sure he wouldn't mind Aug 27 02:14:17 I can drop him an email to check Aug 27 02:14:22 how do press home in the virtualbox emulayot Aug 27 02:14:35 the home key? Aug 27 02:14:41 mm hrm Aug 27 02:14:51 you mean to minimize a card? Aug 27 02:14:55 right Aug 27 02:14:57 home Aug 27 02:15:03 lol Aug 27 02:15:17 ok, where should I go to submit a bug? Aug 27 02:15:28 developer.palm.com Aug 27 02:15:42 the forums Aug 27 02:15:42 I'm there... nothing jumps out as "bug submissions" Aug 27 02:15:49 you should submit it to sugardave@palm.com >:P Aug 27 02:15:50 ah ok Aug 27 02:15:52 :P * Aug 27 02:15:57 * PatrickC_TP hides Aug 27 02:16:11 mail to sugardave@palm.com will most assuredly bounce, so send away! Aug 27 02:16:33 dev.null@palm.com is also a good one Aug 27 02:17:27 I own bounceme@gmail.com Aug 27 02:17:38 I laugh at someone once every 6 months Aug 27 02:19:04 lol Aug 27 02:20:23 LarrySteeze: Ever get your 20 touchpads for developers from newegg in? Aug 27 02:21:03 that's a lot of tp's Aug 27 02:28:19 Got my $39 touchstone dock, just on the off chance that my one from hpshopping.ca doesn't pan out. Aug 27 02:28:27 and if it does, hey, my dad gets one ;) Aug 27 02:31:08 Shadyman1: where'd you get that? Aug 27 02:31:14 I want one of those! Aug 27 02:31:22 I want 2 but I'd still kill for one Aug 27 02:31:53 Staples. Aug 27 02:32:15 I'll buy more and ship it, if anyone wants. Aug 27 02:32:57 at the price I pay, plus actual shipping cost/packaging, tips appreciated? Aug 27 02:33:13 there was only one touchstone left at my staples, I'd have to go hunting Aug 27 02:33:17 one more* Aug 27 02:33:41 Anyways, before rwhitby breaks out the banhammer.. If anyone's interested, PM me and I'll see what I can do. Aug 27 02:34:55 shipping to australia is... harsh Aug 27 02:35:01 heh Aug 27 02:47:14 hay you guysssssssss Aug 27 02:50:52 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17789 - so, that's me getting the http timeout instead of error on authentication failure... Aug 27 02:58:19 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QGFqh21CE1gJ:developer.palm.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26id%3D1639+which+eclipse+for+webos&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.ca Aug 27 02:58:27 is this information current? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 27 02:59:57 2011