**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 29 02:59:57 2011 Aug 29 03:01:03 is there a way to have a ListSelector item show up by default? Aug 29 03:01:05 file:///opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/refcode/framework/enyo/1.0/support/docs/api/index.html#enyo.ListSelector Aug 29 03:09:47 Ironsight: first time at fark? either you'll love it or you'll hate it Aug 29 03:09:55 and if you hate it, you'll come back to it sometime later, and love it Aug 29 03:10:14 yeah, I'm more of an LOLcat person Aug 29 03:10:43 I heard of fark here and there, but I am usally chest deep reading slashdot Aug 29 03:11:27 yeah i used to be a serious slashdotter, and then i gave up on Linux and most of the open source community Aug 29 03:17:41 ooh, cool, a web IDE for python that actually runs your apps Aug 29 03:17:45 http://pythonfiddle.com/ Aug 29 03:18:05 good if you wanna code/test python on your touchpad for some reason I guess Aug 29 03:18:39 So, I meta doctored my touchpad to add the ext3fs part and now my wifi isn't working Aug 29 03:18:43 any thoughts? Aug 29 03:18:49 err wrong channel Aug 29 03:18:54 * Lumiere moves to the right one Aug 29 03:20:15 Hell, with that you could work on your python code on a webtv box Aug 29 03:24:24 i was considering today how incredibly awesome it would be if webos had a php binary on it Aug 29 03:24:45 of course, i probably only think that because i know PHP a hell of a lot better than any other language at the moment other than UnrealScript Aug 29 03:25:22 and I don't currently have anyone paying me to port the Unreal Engine over to touchpad, so, that's not happening Aug 29 03:25:45 I'll give you 3 bitcoins to do so Aug 29 03:25:52 If you do, port it to linux too while yer at it :P Aug 29 03:26:30 Just kidding, I know that's not legally possible Aug 29 03:26:53 EricBlade: php is in optware Aug 29 03:27:51 just switch to js, its pretty easy from php Aug 29 03:27:56 i just realized i was overriding a field called value Aug 29 03:27:59 /facepalm Aug 29 03:28:00 Ironsight: well, Dungeon Defenders is an Unreal game, and it runs on Android ... so.. some of that's already there. Aug 29 03:28:48 oil_pre: if php were easily accessible, we could do heavy lifting work in php, and presentation using webkit, kind of like.. the world wide web. :D Aug 29 03:29:01 I'm pretty sure icculus ported 99 percent of it to linux Aug 29 03:30:20 EricBlade: already exists Aug 29 03:30:32 php in optware rendering via nginx Aug 29 03:30:49 works on any webOS device Aug 29 03:40:21 so my touchpad is here! do i want to open it? it is sure selling for a lot on eBay <--- why people? why??!! Aug 29 03:41:03 dawn -- can i just put YOU SUCK instead of YOU LOSE? Aug 29 03:41:12 dawm* Aug 29 03:45:55 Acer CEO Declares a Tablets Bubble.... hahaha, as if. I think they are here to stay. Aug 29 03:46:13 Maybe they won't be worth half as much now, but meh Aug 29 03:46:25 arm parts aren't exactly expensive Aug 29 03:49:08 ok now to learn how to make buttons Aug 29 03:54:25 wow a lot of the example code shipped with Enyo.. doesn't work Aug 29 03:55:08 YEP Aug 29 03:55:11 yep* Aug 29 03:58:03 At least it gives you ideas Aug 29 03:59:51 that it does Aug 29 03:59:59 ? Aug 29 04:02:18 I like webOS I think I'll stick with it <-- love these comments :D Aug 29 04:02:26 :) Aug 29 04:03:36 k so next wildn update...... is like........ really really really good Aug 29 04:05:45 hey all Aug 29 04:08:19 OMG NATURAL STRAIGHT FLUSH Aug 29 04:08:21 OMFG NO WAY Aug 29 04:08:36 AND IT HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER I FINISHED ALL MY NEW STUFF Aug 29 04:08:45 SO I CAN USE IT AS THE LEADING SCREENSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 29 04:08:53 awesome! Aug 29 04:08:57 omg Aug 29 04:09:26 fxspec06: hopefully I'll have as much luck with dev'ing tonight as you :) Aug 29 04:09:45 Photofun is almost almost ready :D Aug 29 04:09:48 i wasn't really deving at all Aug 29 04:09:53 just working on images Aug 29 04:09:59 i guess that's deving Aug 29 04:10:24 NuttyBunny: did you join that box folder? Aug 29 04:10:47 dunno, I guess the answer would be.... no :) Aug 29 04:11:13 lol Aug 29 04:11:15 you shouold Aug 29 04:11:17 should* Aug 29 04:11:23 http://i.imgur.com/obrMZ.png Aug 29 04:11:24 i swear Aug 29 04:11:26 i did not Aug 29 04:11:26 you will get email updates when I place a new file in it Aug 29 04:11:27 cheat Aug 29 04:11:28 to get that Aug 29 04:12:37 lol Aug 29 04:13:47 fxspec06: You Have Mail Aug 29 04:15:14 PatrickC_TP, Joined Aug 29 04:15:37 NuttyBunny: I saw :) Aug 29 04:15:38 see PM Aug 29 04:18:16 fxspec06: you want an invite to Your Radio box.net folder? Aug 29 04:23:55 PatrickC_TP, you got the photofun email? :D Aug 29 04:24:02 yep :) Aug 29 04:24:04 and installed Aug 29 04:24:15 excellent! test! :D Aug 29 04:24:16 but doing a little homework before dev/review time ;) Aug 29 04:24:19 ah Aug 29 04:24:20 ok Aug 29 04:24:29 oh man Aug 29 04:24:54 shutting down apps after you just spent 5 hours deving, and when you can barely think, is a chore Aug 29 04:25:04 making sure you save everything that needa be saved -.- Aug 29 04:25:16 k so what am i looking for pat Aug 29 04:27:09 fxspec06: what do you mean? Aug 29 04:27:33 for the invite? Aug 29 04:27:39 I'll PM you a link Aug 29 04:32:34 When im in novaterm to remove the partition I made for UbuntuChroot, do I leave the box for usb up or do I need to actually hit USB Drive ? Aug 29 04:35:14 rwhitby: re: tweet: As I recall, that was what I had to do the battery pull on my Veer for. Aug 29 04:36:53 click close Aug 29 04:37:32 NitroJunk: and also, #webos-internals would be of more help :) Aug 29 04:38:01 Hendikins: yep, I'm talking to some folks who may know stuff about it Aug 29 04:38:59 fxspec06: thx Aug 29 04:39:09 I'll update there first, even before I email my beta team Aug 29 04:39:42 rwhitby: I'll be curious to know the outcome. Google (still) doesn't turn anything useful up. Aug 29 04:39:57 Ok thanks Patrick Aug 29 04:41:36 NitroJunk: no problem Aug 29 05:02:42 woooooo! I'm finally #1 in my own leaderboard again Aug 29 05:02:50 goodnight peeps Aug 29 05:03:10 night fxspec06_ Aug 29 05:04:00 debugging... funn... Aug 29 05:26:19 grey box of doom! Aug 29 05:27:06 hmm.. any Enyo gurus in here? quick multi-pane question.. Aug 29 05:27:18 PatrickC_TP: not I, but would love to meet one Aug 29 05:27:25 i'm not even to "buttons" yet Aug 29 05:27:39 at least you are learning :) Aug 29 05:28:04 i "learned" so much yesterday, that by the time I got my app doing something, i'd completely forgotten how the first part of everything worked Aug 29 05:28:14 lol Aug 29 05:28:19 what's your app do? Aug 29 05:28:27 google voice Aug 29 05:28:37 awesome! Aug 29 05:28:40 how much will it be? Aug 29 05:29:09 i think $0.99 is a great pricepoint. Aug 29 05:29:56 i'd pay $0.99 for it as soon as i get the "reply to sms" button working even though it looks like complete and utter crap right now Aug 29 05:30:21 lol Aug 29 05:30:26 you have calling working? Aug 29 05:30:41 nah, once i figure out "buttons" that'll be easy Aug 29 05:31:10 buttons are easy Aug 29 05:31:18 it may be a pipe dream, but i'd like to integrate calling to the voice function in synergy. not sure if that's possible, though Aug 29 05:31:39 {kind: "Button", caption: "Button Name", o'Clock: "doSomething"}, Aug 29 05:31:51 onClick* Aug 29 05:31:51 you must be on a touchpad Aug 29 05:31:59 yeah, I am :) Aug 29 05:32:18 Bluetooth keyboard FTW Aug 29 05:32:21 what really drives me nuts most i think about the spell checker, is it won't spell check the word before you hit enter Aug 29 05:32:54 i think? ios will spellcheck the last word when you hit enter, and only submit it if you hit enter again Aug 29 05:33:03 yeah Aug 29 05:33:14 if there's a spelling error, if not it'll let it go Aug 29 05:33:51 Tibfib_: ping? Aug 29 05:34:26 ok, so who wants to have a BS SMS conversation with me for a few messages? Aug 29 05:35:07 I guess me? I'll use gtalk too Aug 29 05:35:11 don't have my phone near Aug 29 05:35:40 cool awesome Aug 29 05:36:12 i just want to get a few messages in/out from someone that's not in my regular directory Aug 29 05:37:00 np Aug 29 05:37:14 I just want to get this sliding pane working :) Aug 29 05:39:03 holy crap my touchpads clock is now 22 minutes fast Aug 29 05:39:09 wow Aug 29 05:39:18 ClockSync is what I always use to keep that fixed Aug 29 05:39:35 shouldn't that be automatic somewhere? Aug 29 05:40:09 I thought it was Aug 29 05:40:21 yeah the date & time panel has a "network time" option Aug 29 05:40:27 turned it off, set the clock, turned it back on, and it's ok now Aug 29 05:40:41 i wonder if one of my regular networks has a screwed up clock Aug 29 05:41:14 hmm. the pad has also automatically blue-toothed itself to my other pad. is that useful to me in any way, i wonder? Aug 29 05:41:48 They're creating a hivemind dude Aug 29 05:41:56 Get out of there before they try killing you Aug 29 05:43:03 ok, sliding panes are set up. now to figure out how to use them haha Aug 29 05:43:12 until they are fast enough to be able to scroll a window smoothly, i don't think that's a danger, wrea Aug 29 05:43:46 They're collective emotions are hurting. Go apologize :P Aug 29 05:44:12 actually today it's scrolling really fast, but not very smooth. i wonder if the iThings refresh rates are higher than these Aug 29 05:44:37 or if the iThings scroll at a deliberately slower than maximum speed to control how smooth it is Aug 29 05:45:03 I could see them doing that Aug 29 05:45:39 because an iThing very rarely if ever hitches or flashes when scrolling. at least, my iPod certainly hardly ever does Aug 29 05:45:46 so it feels smoother and faster Aug 29 05:46:17 and, I might have this working :D Aug 29 05:46:28 another thing that i really miss from iOS, is being able to tap the top of a window and have it scroll automatically to the top Aug 29 05:46:37 sometimes i have some very very long things to scroll thru Aug 29 05:47:39 ok less chatting more developing brb Aug 29 05:48:00 btw, thanks for the message PatrickC_TP thankfully it looks just as i expected it to, just like all the other messages from people who are in my book Aug 29 05:48:01 lol Aug 29 05:48:10 cool! Aug 29 05:49:28 ok, UI is almost done for the night Aug 29 05:50:34 Cool Aug 29 05:50:36 Adora_: hey Aug 29 05:51:12 argh! why won't this work? and why is there no log :/ Aug 29 05:51:21 its Adora_'s fault :) Aug 29 05:51:37 probably Aug 29 05:52:31 hey Adora Aug 29 05:52:38 sliding panes.. they are a ... pain :) Aug 29 05:52:48 rwhitby: good evemorning Aug 29 05:52:57 Adora: finished up enyo phd last night - will submit after some more testing Aug 29 05:52:59 I have everything working, but can't get my second pane to display anything :/ Aug 29 05:53:08 superb =] Aug 29 05:53:19 Adora: gotta knock that harris guy off his spot ;) Aug 29 05:53:20 mornevening Adora Aug 29 05:53:21 rwhitby: how's Enyo preware coming? Aug 29 05:53:46 PatrickC_TP, patience grasshopper Aug 29 05:53:51 ok Aug 29 05:54:01 PatrickC_TP: what additional functionality are you expecting from an enyo Preware which is not available in a Mojo Preware ? Aug 29 05:54:16 the Enyo look? Aug 29 05:54:24 rwhitby: panes! Aug 29 05:54:29 and the scroller working properly in portrait Aug 29 05:54:49 PatrickC_TP: I guess you haven't updated today Aug 29 05:54:56 I did Aug 29 05:55:12 I must have missed something? Aug 29 05:55:16 * PatrickC_TP checks Aug 29 05:55:27 I would love to see some sort of popularity metric, myself Aug 29 05:55:49 ah, that's what the list rendering is.. Aug 29 05:56:13 wirc-Mojo could use that love too :) Aug 29 05:56:15 well, that would be in preware itself, not phd Aug 29 05:57:28 http://www.zazzle.com/the_unoffical_hp_touchpad_shirt_ii-235063971204090372 Aug 29 05:57:29 Adora: I'm in two minds about ratings Aug 29 05:57:43 Adora: money and ratings causes competition and angst. Aug 29 05:57:52 argh.. I can't do anymore with sliding panes right now :) Aug 29 05:58:07 rwhitby: isn't everything in preware free/going to stay free? Aug 29 05:58:13 or are you talking bribes? or what? Aug 29 05:58:32 competition and angst make for a great story though Aug 29 05:58:55 torchie: long time no see Aug 29 05:59:02 if/when the app catalog goes away, so does the clause in the SDK license which prevents alternate app stores Aug 29 05:59:31 really? cool Aug 29 05:59:36 yo yo Aug 29 05:59:44 well, it should go away =] Aug 29 05:59:46 if we were nice Aug 29 06:00:19 that would *not* be nice :P Aug 29 06:00:23 Adora: since the only penalty is expulsion from the app catalog, I'm not sure you'd have much say ;) Aug 29 06:00:23 I like the app catalog Aug 29 06:00:29 http://www.zazzle.com/the_unofficial_hp_touchpad_t_shirt_16gb-235156211444692221 Aug 29 06:00:43 * dwc- looks up half a screen Aug 29 06:00:52 torchie: Uhhh. Aug 29 06:01:21 D: Aug 29 06:02:07 if we got into a situation where the app catalog was shut down, then I would not trust whoever was in charge wouldn't use legal muscle to get the alternate distribution methods shut down Aug 29 06:02:28 Why would they do that? Aug 29 06:02:39 but that is a separate conversation =] Aug 29 06:02:42 Adora: as long as such methods didn't use any SDK code, there's not much that could be done against them. Aug 29 06:02:43 * dwc- spies the slickdeals and starving child shirts Aug 29 06:03:11 where from came all these touchpad shirts Aug 29 06:04:02 Preware, for example, and the feeds, don't use palm-package or any SDK code, specifically so that revocation of the license to use the SDK cannot affect them. Aug 29 06:04:21 Some individuals apps may be affected of course. Aug 29 06:04:42 and we may need to redraw some icons Aug 29 06:04:52 * Shadyman ponders a world without palm-package && palm-install && palm-launch Aug 29 06:04:54 * Shadyman shivers Aug 29 06:05:05 but I'm sure we all hope things will never get to that :) Aug 29 06:05:22 wow, engadget's articles on the touchpad liquidation have 14,000 comments Aug 29 06:05:30 Shadyman: lemketron wouldn't know what to do with himself Aug 29 06:05:44 Adora: he'd start a Leaf dealership Aug 29 06:06:10 torchie: engadget in general are apple freaks :x Aug 29 06:06:27 torchie: link? Aug 29 06:10:31 well, sliding panes are *almost* working Aug 29 06:10:35 and I'm off to bed Aug 29 06:10:38 night all Aug 29 06:10:47 * PatrickC_TP *waves* Aug 29 06:13:59 hi ka6sox are you there? Aug 29 06:18:32 Technikfreak, 1/2 asleep but here. Aug 29 06:18:44 ah o sorry Aug 29 06:19:11 my eyes are bleary from looking thru kernel source. Aug 29 06:19:29 itsallrunningtogether Aug 29 06:19:45 Technikfreak, wazzup? Aug 29 06:20:11 yeah are you able to hear the livestream from your icecast just from the tp? Aug 29 06:20:54 yes Aug 29 06:21:08 with which player Aug 29 06:21:45 I have a webpage on the laptop that embeds the icecast server and I use the browser Aug 29 06:22:46 ah Aug 29 06:23:04 flash? Aug 29 06:23:10 mp3 Aug 29 06:23:22 ok and there it is the link directly like localhost:port/listening.mp3 Aug 29 06:23:24 neato misquito Aug 29 06:24:09 laptop_ip:port/listening.mp3 Aug 29 06:24:18 ok thanks a lot Aug 29 06:24:23 and have a good night than :-) Aug 29 06:24:25 something like that. Aug 29 06:24:50 localhost only works if it is on the same machine Aug 29 06:25:10 laptop on stage to TP @ back of house. Aug 29 06:25:15 like if I wanna view the website on the web server... http://localhost Aug 29 06:25:55 VNC to LT on stage Aug 29 06:26:27 hmm. DividerDrawer looks fun. but doesn't support allowHtml apparently. Aug 29 06:27:27 cool Aug 29 06:27:37 and you stream than internally to the icecast with vlc Aug 29 06:28:45 no Aug 29 06:28:56 they are separate streams. Aug 29 06:29:24 sorry Aug 29 06:29:28 I read VNC Aug 29 06:29:45 no I use audacity in pause mode Aug 29 06:30:18 and feed the mixer and on to icecast Aug 29 06:31:06 did audacity have a lviestream client embedded? Aug 29 06:31:19 becuase you need a client to stream to the server even ints internanlly Aug 29 06:31:49 monitor the output of audacity Aug 29 06:32:01 just like I do when I record Aug 29 06:32:16 or Aug 29 06:32:38 you can take live audio from mixer direct if you want. Aug 29 06:32:59 its just pcm audio Aug 29 06:33:20 bbl... Aug 29 06:34:17 ok i try to find a setting wher ei could tell audacity the credentials from the server Aug 29 06:47:25 hmm.. how to get a timeout to call a function where "this" is a valid thing .... Aug 29 06:47:44 or rather, where "this" is the objecti expect it to be Aug 29 08:06:45 is there a way to trigger a callback when a user selects something in a webview? Aug 29 08:37:08 wow just figured out another thing that drives me nuts in this interface. on my iDevice, when i throw something hard enough to scroll for a long time, and then i put my finger down on it, it stops scrolling. when i do the same thing in webOS, it keeps going for at least half a second or more. Aug 29 08:38:30 lol Aug 29 08:38:34 troll attempt Aug 29 08:38:35 FAILED Aug 29 08:38:55 I laughed a bit though Aug 29 08:38:56 :p Aug 29 08:39:37 Black Knight. Aug 29 08:39:38 huh? Aug 29 08:48:56 ugh i have to get up for a funeral at oh god in the morning. why am i still up programming? Aug 29 08:51:52 ok i need to figure out how to get buttons that i can give data to when i create them, rather than trying to figure out the data they need when they are clicked .. hmm Aug 29 09:02:28 yay figured it out Aug 29 09:26:55 hi there! Aug 29 09:44:10 how does hp feel about apps with ads? :) Aug 29 09:45:08 fine Aug 29 09:45:13 I have ads in mine Aug 29 09:45:16 or a donate button... Aug 29 09:45:18 no problems Aug 29 09:45:44 users like me prefer a $5 app than an app with ads. But others probably have other ideas :) Aug 29 09:46:02 yeh, but selling apps costs money Aug 29 09:46:14 not in webOS Aug 29 09:46:17 You can make two, one for free with ads and one for x$ then people can decide Aug 29 09:46:26 oh, except the 30% thing of course Aug 29 09:46:46 so there's no cost to submit an app, only on the transaction? Aug 29 09:46:56 correct Aug 29 09:47:05 awsome Aug 29 09:47:05 Its not apple ;) Aug 29 09:47:06 completely free to develop Aug 29 09:47:20 I did read the terms but... I'm too tired to recal them now Aug 29 09:47:26 I showed my node usage app and he wants to pay me to add tpg to it Aug 29 09:47:42 so... I guess I might as well add telstra also Aug 29 09:47:52 and iinet... and westnet... Aug 29 09:48:20 I'd pay $5 for a aussie B.o.M weather app Aug 29 09:48:22 woooooooot i have the worst interface ever created for a google voice app. but it works! Aug 29 09:48:48 I've already made one of those :D Aug 29 09:48:59 you making it didn't teach me anything though Aug 29 09:49:04 :) Aug 29 09:49:13 no, BoM app :D Aug 29 09:49:38 Freman: Hence my suggestion of dissecting NetUsage, should give you pointers on how to get the data. Aug 29 09:50:19 Freman: you've got a webOS BoM app/ Aug 29 09:50:19 http://www.chumby.com/guide/widget/Regional%20Weather%20Radar - see, just the wrong platform :D Aug 29 09:51:06 nope, but it's not a difficult thing to do - done it before :D Aug 29 09:51:49 Hendikins yes I'm probably going to have to gut netusage for info because I've got no accounts for all the above isps to test on... Aug 29 09:52:20 Neither do I, but at least you've got a couple of testers for Telstra. Aug 29 09:53:02 and a tpg Aug 29 09:53:30 means I won't be able to go into the detail I wanted for node... or I will but make that nodesclusive Aug 29 09:54:09 Sounds like you were essentially cloning the usage part of MUM on webOS Aug 29 09:55:01 no, but then there's not much more to do with that data :D Aug 29 09:55:17 was going to add graphing for historical usage Aug 29 09:55:22 cos node makes that soooo easy Aug 29 09:56:07 I'm too tired to think now anyways... knowing my track record, it'll end up a dead project anyway Aug 29 09:57:15 so um, what to call it now... that's the next problem lol Aug 29 10:00:27 hm. well, that feels good. 24 hours to go from "tutorial" to "google voice app that can send and receive texts and make outgoing calls" Aug 29 10:01:22 And... Sparkle HD is worth every cent I didn't pay for it. Aug 29 10:01:46 "NetUsage" - not very creative Aug 29 10:02:13 Hendikins: OMFG I LOVE THAT GAME Aug 29 10:03:32 so, I have one of everything on hold for me at hardly normal just as soon as their stock arives Aug 29 10:03:49 Freman: So some time around the 12th of never? Aug 29 10:04:14 keyboard, case, spare power brick, touchpad Aug 29 10:04:19 i notice that once i've started nesting more than 2 controls into this thing, it slows way down like all the other apps Aug 29 10:04:19 their shipment is on it's way Aug 29 10:04:28 EricBlade: I only grabbed it because it was part of the six pack... then I fired it up on my train trip home. Aug 29 10:04:45 Freman: Wait... what? Touchpad? Aug 29 10:04:55 err touchstone Aug 29 10:04:56 meh Aug 29 10:05:18 when i used to spend a lot of time in bars, i would play a bar top game version of it all the time. i bought it on my wii too about a year ago Aug 29 10:06:11 * Hendikins grabs a club and heads over to the TouchPad threads on Whirlpool. Aug 29 10:06:18 I'll have to play the lite version Aug 29 10:06:30 or are there aussie codes now? Aug 29 10:12:07 Aussie codes? Dream on. Aug 29 10:23:22 sparkle light is crashtastic Aug 29 10:35:42 so uh Aug 29 10:35:52 any update as to be able to view these pdfs on my palm pre? Aug 29 10:37:52 because it won't open up large pdfs Aug 29 10:47:51 anyone? Aug 29 11:17:07 Hendikins: you around? Aug 29 11:17:20 rwhitby: Sort of. Aug 29 11:17:40 Hendikins: /msg me an email address for PHD v 3.0 (enyo) Aug 29 11:18:50 (if you'd like to test it out) Aug 29 11:19:34 I don't mind testing stuff. Aug 29 11:20:30 sent Aug 29 11:23:40 Hrm, TouchPad definitely isn't the quickest device I've ever fetched mail on. Aug 29 11:26:33 Out of interest, had many Aussies buy PHD? Aug 29 11:28:58 Hendikins: won't know that until the sales report in a month's time Aug 29 11:29:24 Ah, fair enough. Aug 29 11:29:29 * Hendikins browses PHD3. Aug 29 11:32:18 looking to submit tonight, so be harsh and meticulous Aug 29 12:12:20 I want a webos phone now, my contract is up in october... Aug 29 12:12:47 * Hendikins has 3 on his desk and one in a drawer. Aug 29 12:13:25 The TouchPad and Veer make a nice pairing. Aug 29 12:14:19 * Hendikins ' TouchPad shares a profile with his Pre2 and is paired with his Veer using Bluetooth. Aug 29 12:15:05 don't like my chances of getting any Aug 29 12:15:43 Nor do I really. Aug 29 12:16:31 All my devices are US (ATT or UNA) for use on Telstra. Aug 29 12:16:48 err, phones... not... that other stuff - tho the chances of that are slim to lol Aug 29 12:17:32 I was referring to my phones. Aug 29 12:17:38 * rwhitby has a Pre 3 arriving this week Aug 29 12:18:40 I still have no idea why my Pre2 (P102UNA) is appearing with a model of "Palm Pre2 (Telstra Australia)" when I look at the webOS profile online. Aug 29 12:18:52 i have a pre3. it's kinda nice. Aug 29 12:21:06 I didn't even know what a pre was until last night Aug 29 12:21:58 * Hendikins came the other way - used the phones, bought the TouchPad. Aug 29 12:23:05 Hendikins: it's based on the MNC and MCC when you activaate Aug 29 12:23:11 that's one of the things Impostah overrides Aug 29 12:23:36 * rwhitby bbl Aug 29 12:23:40 rwhitby: It is only recently that it has shown up as Telstra though. Hence finding it odd. Aug 29 12:24:01 Hendikins: the probably updates the server mappings for the australian release Aug 29 12:24:10 That would make sense. Aug 29 12:27:23 so umm... my dev app... can I just steal the ipk from my temp folder to give it to a pre-alpha tester? Aug 29 12:28:59 * Ironsight nods Aug 29 12:29:04 Freman: yes, and they can install it with Preware Aug 29 12:29:13 or the sdk Aug 29 12:29:14 Throw it to the address on my Whirlpool profile. I've got an Internode account. Aug 29 12:29:17 I tink Aug 29 12:29:45 yep, or palm-install Aug 29 12:30:42 it's not that ready :D Aug 29 12:30:54 it's got none of the required caching yet Aug 29 12:31:26 If I get my hardware this week... *drools* I can't wait to start making some opengl SDL code for it, I already had one of the samples built and ready for testing (packaged, and stuff) Aug 29 12:33:32 Freman: Well, if you decide you want somebody to poke at it, a real e-mail address is on my Whirlpool profile (as fake as it looks to a regular, it does actually work) Aug 29 12:33:55 http://i.imgur.com/nY1U4.jpg wtf! Aug 29 12:34:37 Old Aug 29 12:34:39 props to the pasta art Aug 29 12:35:27 i want my touchpad Aug 29 12:35:33 not some crap Aug 29 12:36:20 * Hendikins hrms, seems the domain owner forgot to renew the domain. Oops. Aug 29 12:36:35 lol, I remember seeing "New Playstation 3 box" on ebay racking up $400 worth of bids Aug 29 12:36:49 lol Aug 29 12:36:52 box? Aug 29 12:36:53 Hendikins - well, I'm back in bed, the memory stick is all the way over there... so I'll email it to you tomorrow Aug 29 12:36:58 i bet someone was pissed when they got the box Aug 29 12:37:09 some moron on facebook requested datavision to donate 4 touchpads to cynogen mod... retailers don't donate anything moron, you are better off asking HP, and I doubt they will help someone take away webos customers, and retailers are in for making money Aug 29 12:37:11 how many bids was it though? like 3 or or like 30? Aug 29 12:37:43 more than 5 less than 30 Aug 29 12:37:53 don't remember exactly Aug 29 12:38:09 it was enough to make me think someone was genuinely getting screwed Aug 29 12:38:11 HP doesn't "give away" touchpads to their developers, let alone competition Aug 29 12:41:28 Moar proof that HP blows Aug 29 12:41:44 naw, they do "loan" out hardware to devs Aug 29 12:42:01 it's just a loan though Aug 29 12:42:17 which is enough really Aug 29 12:43:27 If I wanted to dev for say, wii or 360, I would need to pay quite a bit for a development kit, and a development console Aug 29 12:44:20 Then if I make a piece of software, it needs to be approved to sell for wii, then I pay a hefty liscense fee Aug 29 12:44:34 (over a million dollars on wii) Aug 29 12:44:47 holy farksticks Aug 29 12:44:59 unless it's wiiware Aug 29 12:45:13 which then I have a STRICT set of rules I must follow Aug 29 12:45:34 remember the initial idea of the PS3? the console was going to be expensive and those fees would not be in it. Aug 29 12:45:58 heh Aug 29 12:46:15 mumbles something about paying for features that got removed Aug 29 12:46:16 but later on it turned out to really become an expensive console so the hypervisor got thrown in etc etc Aug 29 12:46:31 * Freman rejoices at his since jailbreaking and running linux on it anyway - assholes Aug 29 12:46:50 If I made a game for ps3, and it ever needed updates or DLC, they would charge me for the sony store bandwidth per gigabyte downloaded from the customers. They also charge for game demo downloads... Aug 29 12:46:50 Freman: yeah, it pretty much went downhill from the start. sad though, I like the console as it is Aug 29 12:47:39 Capcom was the first to figure this out when they had a HUUUGE bill from sony from the RE5 demo Aug 29 12:47:58 a couple million if I remember Aug 29 12:48:03 they didn't read what they were signing? Aug 29 12:48:17 no, they added the clause later, WAY later Aug 29 12:48:26 sprung it on them Aug 29 12:48:49 according to capcom, without notice Aug 29 12:49:26 perhaps all this isn't too bad. maybe apple will die in a few years and ibm may get thrown out as well. oracle and microsoft may get hits. then we get an economic ecosystem with somewhat smaller companies, wouldn't be too bad. oh right, google will get disbanded because of their idiotic pursuit to identify people on the web. Aug 29 12:49:43 So, point being, deving on webos isn't a bad deal compared to some other systems Aug 29 12:50:46 Of course the best to dev for is probably PC since you have very little to worry about in the way of getting performance out of the system Aug 29 12:51:28 And it's easy to test an app you make, just hit the debug button in visual studio :P Aug 29 12:53:34 well I'm off to sleep now Aug 29 12:53:37 Ironsight: only problem with PC dev is that it's harder to sell an distribute (lack of app store) Aug 29 12:54:07 o.O Aug 29 12:54:44 if you make games, steam, if you make apps, build a website and slashdot it Aug 29 12:55:17 aka, advertise Aug 29 12:57:03 If you develope for linux, there's the ubuntu store Aug 29 12:57:57 And with pc you don't have to give a cut to the store owner if you run your own store Aug 29 12:59:29 The problem though with pc, is making a product that isn't already available for free Aug 29 13:01:46 Unless you can showboat some far superior feature (ease of use, industry leading security and stability and support, etc) Aug 29 13:03:33 For instance, the gimp is free, but photoshop has a ton more features Aug 29 13:04:20 wow, I'm ranting Aug 29 13:04:31 * Ironsight reads some news Aug 29 13:10:23 The apparent new focus on going head-to-head with SAP (Apotheker's former employer) and Oracle (Hurd's new employer) in enterprise software while ignoring the company's traditional strengths, said a software exec, is 'as if Alan Mulally left Boeing to join Ford as CEO, and announced six months later that Ford would be making airplanes.' Former HP Director Tom Perkins said, 'I didn't know there was such a thing as corporate suicide, but now we know that t Aug 29 13:10:29 lol Aug 29 13:17:15 morning, all Aug 29 13:17:34 you in the cz? Aug 29 13:18:11 nope Aug 29 13:18:21 that would be nice, though :) Aug 29 13:19:22 haha Aug 29 13:20:06 i need to upgrade my phone Aug 29 13:20:17 my dbs keep getting corrupted or erased on my pre- Aug 29 13:23:12 i just followed the google streetview car for 20 minutes Aug 29 13:23:13 rofl Aug 29 13:24:12 nicce Aug 29 13:36:47 they should rename the road he traversed Matbee Rd Aug 29 13:40:25 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170687176878#ht_538wt_1185 <- Wait, what? (The current bid!) Aug 29 13:48:47 i'm wondering what's going to happen with that listing Aug 29 13:49:19 how do you escape from input mode in vi without an escape key? Aug 29 13:49:54 hmmm, this is a bit troublesome Aug 29 13:51:54 lol Aug 29 13:52:08 hence why I don't use xterm/ubuntu chroot right now Aug 29 13:54:27 are you on a bluetooth keyboard HattCzech Aug 29 13:58:49 dgarbs: yes Aug 29 13:59:31 try ctrl + [ Aug 29 13:59:35 do i have to login to my account to use a promo code? Aug 29 13:59:37 that should get you out of insert mode Aug 29 14:00:05 didn't work :/ Aug 29 14:00:36 well, it did something Aug 29 14:03:35 but trying to do :wq doesn't work Aug 29 14:03:52 well, trying to type : doesn't work Aug 29 14:18:51 ugh Aug 29 14:18:59 * fxspec06_ is removing all his music from his pad Aug 29 14:19:04 * fxspec06_ and resyncing.. Aug 29 14:23:44 fxspec06_: why? Aug 29 14:25:03 duplicates from HP Play for 1, 2 because the pad doesn't sort the list of playlists by alphabetical order so i have to change my music syncing strategy until A. there is another music player for the pad and B. HP play matures as a software and doesn't sync duplicates any more Aug 29 14:25:20 18GB of music and about .5 to 1GB was dupes Aug 29 14:25:38 like, not my dupes, literally the same exact track >.> Aug 29 14:31:44 2011-08-29T14:27:32.066857Z [190481] webos-device user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: SysMgr MemoryMonitor: LOW MEMORY: State: Medium, current RSS usage: 87MB Aug 29 14:31:49 wow. every 5s. Aug 29 14:32:03 thanks webos, that's really ... not useful Aug 29 14:53:55 https://twitter.com/#!/creationix/status/108189399795240961 webGL on webOS via node Aug 29 14:54:26 sweet Aug 29 15:00:31 creationix, touchpad-only? Aug 29 15:01:17 directhex: it probably runs on others, I know the ipk I built works on the pre3 Aug 29 15:01:24 yeah, looks nice on pre3 Aug 29 15:01:28 the pre2 said it didn't like the binary, so it probably needs something re-built Aug 29 15:01:40 to the system, it's just a pdk app Aug 29 15:01:54 so it should even run on 1.4.5 devices with the right build settings Aug 29 15:04:06 when developing on webos, is it true that enyo (js framework) requires you to host your app on a server, where as if you download the pdk, you can build native apps that are downloaded and run on the device only? Aug 29 15:04:18 Is internalz the best file manager utility for webos? Aug 29 15:05:46 riskish: no. Aug 29 15:05:50 Is there a way to use internalz to unzip a file? Aug 29 15:06:15 riskish: no matter what you choose you package it up and it gets installed locally on the device Aug 29 15:07:11 though you could potentially host your enyo app on an external server, that doesn't always work out so great in reality (see: the google maps app) Aug 29 15:07:33 riskish, enyo apps, much like mojo before it, are html and javascript and crap that get installed onto the local webos device. whether that locally installed app makes calls that require a web server is a separate issue. Aug 29 15:10:02 What category is terminal in for preware? Aug 29 15:13:17 for which device? the terminals in preware that aren't xterm don't really work ime Aug 29 15:13:27 touchpad Aug 29 15:13:36 anyone? Aug 29 15:14:01 i'm trying to unzip a file I've added via box.net and it's a zip file, and it comes up with "no file handler found for file" Aug 29 15:14:23 (Even though I've downloaded zip/unzip) Aug 29 15:15:34 hmm Aug 29 15:31:55 http://www.precentral.net/samsung-hires-formed-hp-pc-exec-said-be-eying-webos-purchase Aug 29 15:33:30 hmm Aug 29 15:34:28 * dgarbs is skeptical Aug 29 15:37:58 :o Aug 29 15:40:32 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Aug 29 15:40:33 http://t.co/JFpJfp2 Aug 29 15:40:39 NEW 6 PACK ! Aug 29 15:40:49 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack-sells-out-but-wait-theres-more.html Aug 29 15:40:50 round 2 Aug 29 15:40:56 dang you beat me Aug 29 15:40:57 (beat u to it) Aug 29 15:40:59 ; ) Aug 29 15:41:11 damn dude! Aug 29 15:41:19 i bought angry birds rio HD =( Aug 29 15:41:20 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack-sells-out-but-wait-theres-more.html Aug 29 15:41:22 ugh lol Aug 29 15:41:22 gogogo Aug 29 15:41:29 if i had a damn touchpad id use it Aug 29 15:44:30 got em Aug 29 15:44:35 I already had 4 of the 6 Aug 29 15:44:36 :\ Aug 29 15:45:20 i wish they'd do my game Aug 29 15:45:22 =D Aug 29 15:45:38 (after my next update, of course) Aug 29 15:45:40 ;) Aug 29 15:46:27 are these gonna be a weekly thing? :D Aug 29 15:46:45 i hope they're an all the freakin time thing Aug 29 15:46:57 hourly :D Aug 29 15:47:00 lmao Aug 29 15:47:13 we'd have to start repeating after 24 hrs :D Aug 29 15:47:32 until codes begin existing for non-yanks, i work on the basis that these offers don't exist. Aug 29 15:47:42 new pack? Aug 29 15:47:58 =O how dare you use the word yanks Aug 29 15:48:20 easily. goddamn colonies getting ideas beyond their station... Aug 29 15:48:25 i'm from massachusetts and i hate the yankees, and we (boston) are the original yanks Aug 29 15:54:11 Boo Boston Aug 29 15:54:27 (Go Rays) Aug 29 15:54:54 I see the Android taint is already bearing bad smelling fruit. Aug 29 16:00:00 webGL on Touchpad, video http://creationix.com/minimason.m4v Aug 29 16:05:53 creationix: interesting Aug 29 16:05:55 Drawing of HP TouchPad on Ebay: http://goo.gl/LK9Wu Aug 29 16:07:29 Y U SO SRS?? Aug 29 16:08:19 hmm I was going to do something but forgot Aug 29 16:09:04 maybe you were going to forget...mission accomplished! Aug 29 16:10:04 :( Aug 29 16:10:13 hmm what's the easiest way to do button states in mojo Aug 29 16:10:24 class names Aug 29 16:11:28 and the event is hold and holdEnd Aug 29 16:16:15 I accidentally the whole TouchPad! Aug 29 16:17:10 OMG!!! Aug 29 16:17:55 the whole thing?! pics or it didn't happen Aug 29 16:19:58 #touchpad is out of stock errywhere =( Aug 29 16:20:11 welcome to the last 2 weeks Aug 29 16:20:25 cwayne: i'm dussprit Aug 29 16:20:38 Tommy: not desperate enough to buy it at the real price though Aug 29 16:20:46 cwayne: i'm desperate, not dumb. Aug 29 16:20:58 that's your opinion Aug 29 16:21:04 .... Aug 29 16:21:05 Tommy: i'm so glad you don't get to have a touchpad Aug 29 16:21:06 check hp.com Aug 29 16:21:14 and refresh nonstop Aug 29 16:21:15 i love when people say things like "that's your opinion" Aug 29 16:21:15 ll Aug 29 16:21:19 was it me saying it? last i checked, yeah. Aug 29 16:21:24 so obviously it's my opinion Aug 29 16:21:58 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack-sells-out-but-wait-theres-more.html Aug 29 16:22:43 gotta catch 'em all! this feels like pokemon. whoever has the most apps at the end of this rollout wins a golden touchpad Aug 29 16:23:20 "Wow. We knew HP webOS had fans, ..." :S Aug 29 16:34:56 hmm, anyone else having trouble with the quell code? Aug 29 16:35:49 got birds, pennant, flight predictor Aug 29 16:35:51 haeffb: ping?? Aug 29 16:36:42 nevermind, now it's working Aug 29 16:36:45 * dwc- blames the palm store Aug 29 16:44:23 hate BSOD Aug 29 16:45:10 love linux Aug 29 16:45:47 * Caleb uses archlinux on his linux machine Aug 29 16:46:03 well in all fairness, it's a hardware failure Aug 29 16:47:11 then you should love the BSOD Aug 29 16:47:25 better to halt than to continue on, silently corrupting your data Aug 29 17:08:12 how do i auto start services? Aug 29 17:10:27 a service you write should get started automatically if it's not already running when you call it Aug 29 17:10:39 it just happens Aug 29 17:16:56 i mean upstart services Aug 29 17:19:42 put an appropriate "start on ..." stanza in it Aug 29 17:19:58 check /etc/event.d and /var/palm/event.d for examples Aug 29 17:23:43 ok i got it Aug 29 17:25:42 the optware openssh seemed to not exist in event.d Aug 29 17:26:20 at the moment the instant messaging has grabbed all my messaging accounts, and keeps logging back into them Aug 29 17:26:28 if you installed from preware, mobi.optware.openssh should be in /var/palm/event.d Aug 29 17:27:08 skype and google talk, are there some less aggressive settings? Aug 29 17:28:46 pwd Aug 29 17:30:04 im thnking of changing the root default shell to bash, is that likely to cause me pain? Aug 29 17:42:41 Mojo.Event.holdEnd only fires if the holdEnd occurs on the original element Aug 29 17:49:41 Soooo...who wants to help a total n00b out? Aug 29 17:49:58 setting up eclipse with enyo.... Aug 29 17:50:05 because the tutorial doesn't work. Aug 29 17:50:18 RavenII_: it would be the n00b leading the n00b Aug 29 17:50:40 Damn it Aug 29 17:51:31 I believe I read somewhere that enyo isn't completely compatible with eclipse Aug 29 17:51:36 but I don't know what the issue was Aug 29 17:51:40 Better to use Ares Aug 29 17:51:40 ? Aug 29 17:51:59 ares isn't enyo compat either Aug 29 17:52:02 yet Aug 29 17:52:04 Nice. Aug 29 17:52:09 I believe they're working on enyo-ares Aug 29 17:52:22 So this may be a stupid question...but what else are you supposed to use? Aug 29 17:52:27 chrome Aug 29 17:52:30 or the emulator Aug 29 17:52:33 or both Aug 29 17:53:13 I use Programmer's Notepad to code in enyo Aug 29 17:53:23 the only thing wrong with the eclipse plugin (that I know about) is that it won't make a new "enyo" project...it only makes new Mojo projects. All you need to do though, is delete the stuff you don't need and code away. Don't use the new scene part because it doesn't apply, etc. Aug 29 17:54:01 I think I need to find a primer...because it seems like I'm missing a few steps.... Aug 29 17:54:10 RavenII_: I just use a text editor (Sublime 2) Aug 29 17:54:12 woooooo i got the hold event working. it doesn't fire IMMEDIATELY though. Aug 29 17:54:18 and run the palm tools from the command line Aug 29 18:31:27 dawm: i've done enarly everything you were talking about. working on button states now, but i've got to go play golf lol Aug 29 18:31:47 it'll b cool. k bbl Aug 29 18:40:47 lol Aug 29 18:41:34 doh he left Aug 29 18:41:48 anyone where to find the TP SNES emu? Aug 29 18:41:59 looked in preware but i couldnt find it Aug 29 18:42:34 anyone know of a photo editing app that *doesn't* just upload to a web service? Aug 29 18:52:51 Bmyers: i think its just in the app catalo Aug 29 18:52:52 g Aug 29 18:53:07 oh. Aug 29 18:53:33 oh for f*s sake Aug 29 18:53:41 the new codes are out already Aug 29 18:53:45 gone, i mean Aug 29 18:55:26 nothing good anyway Aug 29 18:55:55 i was going to get Rio and Quell Aug 29 18:57:15 bmyers its not for tp, but it works, I hear the controls are large Aug 29 18:57:40 Rio is nice, I like it more than the normal one Aug 29 18:57:41 read somewhere that it was updated for TP Aug 29 18:57:47 gfx are better Aug 29 19:03:10 The fact that HP has pulled the "Notify Me" page for when new TouchPad stock is available and posted an FAQ that doesn't talk about when new stock is in, but IF new stock is in… Really worries me! I'm starting to wonder if HP gave up on the Touchpad within days of it launch and had already wound down contracts for devices. Aug 29 19:04:32 idk it seemed like a lot of ppl in the company were shocked and unaware Aug 29 19:04:41 I was wondering if they were going to honor that or not Aug 29 19:06:35 Yeah it really comes down to who would have known if HP had asked contractors to stop/cut production over in China. I mean they could easily have wound down production the day after the thing launched and it could have flown entirely under the radar Aug 29 19:07:07 The other likelihood is that HP just wants to dump everything to all of their back stocked retailers, in which case I'm going to be ultra pissed at onSale for the second time this week >:C Aug 29 19:07:41 do you think this is what they intended to do from the start? Aug 29 19:08:34 onSale was just stupid asleep at the wheel relying on thier ordertaking setup with no human intervention Aug 29 19:08:43 Dunno. I don't think they really had a plan in place for this whole fire sale thing. Aug 29 19:09:02 onSale went out of stock a few times and then back in stock… They had human intervention somewhere along the line. Aug 29 19:09:06 I don't think so either Aug 29 19:09:07 Huh, I can't change my counry in my WebOS profile? Aug 29 19:09:12 Lame. Aug 29 19:09:43 Amazon requires you to enter a firm inventory number for sale listings, so onSale was either using a script to update it and lie about stock, or had a human doing so. Aug 29 19:09:52 It was just too sudden. Was like someone at the help panicked Aug 29 19:10:13 Which is how they were able to over sell by such a massive amount. They're the -only- Amazon seller to have over sold the things. Aug 29 19:11:09 I had ordered 2 32gbs from them and it was easly on the 21st Aug 29 19:11:19 they're also a subsidiary of amazon Aug 29 19:11:33 meaning amazon owns part of them Aug 29 19:11:45 dawm|tp: onSale is a subsidiary of MacMall, the #1 Apple reseller in the country. Aug 29 19:11:48 they might not have had the same restrictions Aug 29 19:11:58 I wonder what my # in line was both got cancelled and I hear they just kept taking orders till the 23rd or so Aug 29 19:12:16 amazon bought egghead which merged with onsale back in 2000 Aug 29 19:12:49 Does Amazon still have any stake in the company still though? Aug 29 19:13:04 that's the question Aug 29 19:13:41 egghead.com still redirects to amazon software section Aug 29 19:14:12 anyone else hit the n instead of the spacebar? I do it way way way too much Aug 29 19:14:25 I need a fat finger spacebar patch Aug 29 19:14:45 I do that on my Nexus S all the time >:C Aug 29 19:16:23 * ajay gets TMC errors on his Pre2 (2.1) AND TouchPad (3.0.2) wow.. I guess this is my punishment for never owning a pre- Aug 29 19:21:28 I get N instead of spacebar on literally evErything. Aug 29 19:21:50 TouchPad, iPad, Nexus S, WP7, iPhone, etc. Aug 29 19:21:55 stupid N :( Aug 29 19:23:23 * ajay is finally gonna upgrade VBox.. egad! Aug 29 19:23:34 I use a split thumb keyboard, so I sometimes get B too! Aug 29 19:23:54 split kbd on webOS? Aug 29 19:25:28 Needs it, 10" is too big :) Aug 29 19:25:50 I wish. :( I'm really starting to love a split keyboard Aug 29 19:26:25 Khaytsus: you're holding it wrong (I don't know what you're talking about, but i'm sure it's an appropriate response :) Aug 29 19:27:42 hah, nah at that size you kind of require both hands at the front of the device to type on it in landscape, leaving you with nothing to actually hold the thing with Aug 29 19:31:18 I've never wanted a split keyboard. Aug 29 19:31:30 I just want the touchpad's keyboard on every tablet Aug 29 19:31:36 Best one I've used. Aug 29 19:32:37 Yeah, it's really nice from the 20 minutes or so I was able to use it. Aug 29 19:33:12 But using Thumb Keyboard on Android… It'd be nice to see that as an option at least on the Touchpad. Aug 29 19:34:28 Touchpad's keyboard is pretty nice when the whole device isn't lagging Aug 29 19:37:06 had anyone been successful using the HP keyboard with Android? Aug 29 19:38:27 Bajan: yup Aug 29 19:38:30 * oil was freaking out that his headphones jack wasn't working Aug 29 19:38:45 turns out the aux cable came unplugged from the deck in my car :/ Aug 29 19:38:48 Bajan: takes a bit of finagling to get it to work on 2.3.5, but it works fine Aug 29 19:38:53 what password did you use? Aug 29 19:39:34 0000 Aug 29 19:40:01 I tried it with CM7 and it never would connect Aug 29 19:40:23 Does it show up in Bluetooth preferences as "paired but not connected?" Aug 29 19:40:37 Bajan: I read somewhere that there's a password when they tried to use the kbd w/ a non-touchpad? Aug 29 19:41:11 ajay: my phone just said "enter a passcode for this device. try 0000 or 1234" Aug 29 19:41:19 0000 worked and it paired fine Aug 29 19:41:36 it shows tries to pair but just fails to connect Aug 29 19:41:50 yes I tried 1234 as well Aug 29 19:42:12 Who told you my password! ;) Aug 29 19:42:19 Bajan: try entering 0000 on the phone, then on the keyboard type 0000 then return? Aug 29 19:42:19 lol Aug 29 19:42:35 ah ok Aug 29 19:42:39 will try that Aug 29 19:43:41 I know it's doable, because well, I've done it! XD Aug 29 19:44:01 gives me hope :) Aug 29 19:44:38 I don't know what it's like in CM7 but I needed to get "Bluetooth Keyboard" from Android Market, since 2.x pairs with a keyboard, works fine with a keyboard… But doesn't give you an option to actually open the connection to start using the keyboard. :p Aug 29 19:44:57 Woot! Aug 29 19:45:19 I saw there was an update for Quickoffice and then my doorbell rang and my bluetooth keyboard showed up! Aug 29 19:45:28 nice Aug 29 19:45:34 Does Quickoffice edit now? ;) Aug 29 19:45:39 I got my touchstone today Aug 29 19:45:41 Supposedly Aug 29 19:45:45 o_O Aug 29 19:45:54 It changed to Quickoffice HD Aug 29 19:45:55 I am complete now just missing the Pre3 Aug 29 19:45:57 I'm loading it now Aug 29 19:46:22 for webos?? Aug 29 19:46:25 Yes Aug 29 19:46:26 I had my eye on the whole package when I first saw it Aug 29 19:46:36 * oil edited text file on his usb partition with it Aug 29 19:46:48 Woot! Aug 29 19:46:52 I edited a google docs doc Aug 29 19:46:56 with Quickoffice! Aug 29 19:47:03 * Khaytsus goes to look for update Aug 29 19:47:19 Funny, quickoffice.com doesn't even list webos Aug 29 19:47:33 no quickoffice update for pre though :( Aug 29 19:47:42 Bajan: https://market.android.com/details?id=net.mybesttools.btkbservice&feature=search_result < actually connects the keyboard Aug 29 19:47:48 heh i tried pairing my ps3 wireless kb to the touchpad Aug 29 19:47:51 didnt work so well Aug 29 19:48:58 Caleb: because its locked down to work with ps3? Aug 29 19:49:01 or was that just the controlls Aug 29 19:49:03 nah Aug 29 19:49:09 it works with windows too Aug 29 19:49:11 you had to do some hackery to make work with anything but a ps3 Aug 29 19:49:13 and also the iphone Aug 29 19:49:16 I love how the bluetooth keyboard actually comes with a set of batteries :D Aug 29 19:49:33 twbbas: yeah haha Aug 29 19:49:40 Should have built-in rechargables with USB to charg Aug 29 19:49:52 twbbas: batteries marked "original equipment" even! you know they're legit OEM that way Aug 29 19:49:53 but then they need space for a usb port Aug 29 19:49:53 I should be good for 9 months now, right? :D Aug 29 19:50:03 microusb is pretty darn small Aug 29 19:50:08 so its the keyboard Aug 29 19:51:32 Now they just need to make it so we can navigate webOS with the keyboard and we're set :D Aug 29 19:52:03 yeah Aug 29 19:52:06 sucks that i cant get it to work Aug 29 19:52:11 card button + left/right should switch cards Aug 29 19:52:15 like advanced swipe gesture Aug 29 19:52:56 yeah Aug 29 19:53:13 ahaha my productivity just dropped down Aug 29 19:53:17 I can play flash games with the arrow keys now :D Aug 29 19:57:48 lol @ new 360 hack Aug 29 19:58:45 electrocute it! Aug 29 20:02:49 release my pre3! Aug 29 20:02:51 :) Aug 29 20:02:57 good evening Aug 29 20:08:54 has everyone already seen this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/180715601210?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1202 Aug 29 20:11:58 yeah hehe Aug 29 20:13:14 lame Aug 29 20:17:57 dawm: i heard that beauty is in the eye of the beholder :) Aug 29 20:18:27 Hi. I'm trying to set up the SDK in Chrome, but I can't get the sample FeedReader application working. I'm probably being dim, but I can't figure it out. I get "ReferenceError: MyApps is not defined" in the console. I've set up Chrome with all the flags so it's not that. Aug 29 20:28:59 HaloMan: seems that you make a call to MyApps function or Object which wasn't defined before. Aug 29 20:29:51 as i read the pre3 tweets from jay canuck i realized i really really need a pre3 Aug 29 20:30:01 SineOt: thanks for the link :) Aug 29 20:30:14 then checked german ebay, 550€ Aug 29 20:30:21 disappointing Aug 29 20:31:35 HaloMan, people are saying that you should use safari, because chrome doesn't work too well Aug 29 20:31:47 ajay: have you seen the original? Aug 29 20:32:42 HattCzech_work: orig what? (I lost track of context ..) Aug 29 20:32:53 the ebay paper touchpad Aug 29 20:33:07 going for $90,000 Aug 29 20:33:31 HattCzech_work: is that not the original? oh no, that's all i know about, my friend at hpalm sent that link to me.. Aug 29 20:33:47 at least it's biodegradable and doesn't require a recharge :/ Aug 29 20:34:28 oh noes! it got removed Aug 29 20:34:33 Hm. I'll start from scratch and see if that fixes it. I really don't want to install Safari. Aug 29 20:34:57 HattCzech_work: haha.. and not made in china, under horrid working conditions, etc! Aug 29 20:35:06 very true Aug 29 20:35:33 HaloMan, I couldn't get a single thing to work in chrome, so you might wanna try safari, just sayin Aug 29 20:36:14 I know safari is crap, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do :( Aug 29 20:37:46 now if you were running linux, I would say try rekonq Aug 29 20:38:40 Thanks for the advice, but I /really/ don't want to install Safari. Aug 29 20:38:48 * Ironsight nods nods Aug 29 20:39:40 HP chat support makes me want to end my life Aug 29 20:40:21 sure would be nice if sthe spotify app was availble in the US Aug 29 20:40:56 * Ironsight is glad he doesn't work for hp chat support Aug 29 20:40:57 would be nice if the Kindle app was available in the UK... Aug 29 20:41:02 touche Aug 29 20:41:09 haha Aug 29 20:41:19 Think about it, in 1 WEEKEND 450 THOUSAND people got a touchpad Aug 29 20:41:29 wow Aug 29 20:41:32 this is an outstanding issue from 4 weeks ago Aug 29 20:41:36 i thought it was 250k Aug 29 20:41:38 they never followed up with me after escalating Aug 29 20:41:39 support lines are HELL right now Aug 29 20:41:40 Ironsight: where did you get 450k? Aug 29 20:41:45 talk about growth spurts Aug 29 20:41:46 slashdot? Aug 29 20:41:57 not even Apple has had that Aug 29 20:42:03 either slashdot or some pc world article Aug 29 20:42:20 cxreg: ? i downloaded the spotify app, did they revoke it? Aug 29 20:42:33 so how does the touchpad stand in the market share? Aug 29 20:42:35 it says its only availble in uk, spain, and france Aug 29 20:42:38 i cant find it Aug 29 20:42:51 Bajan, it's hard to say, alot of people bought multiples Aug 29 20:43:02 alot of greed Aug 29 20:43:07 and are selling them on ebay Aug 29 20:43:13 sigh Aug 29 20:43:50 Let's say that if they really put some hard work into webos, they have a pretty big profit potential Aug 29 20:43:59 cxreg: what happens when you pull up its page? http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.spotify Aug 29 20:44:20 i just tried to search on my tpad and didn't see it.. hrmm.. Aug 29 20:44:37 someone send him ipk Aug 29 20:45:00 oh hang on, i see it in the app store now on my pre+ Aug 29 20:45:07 spotify's website said it was not supported Aug 29 20:45:10 and at first i didnt see it Aug 29 20:45:59 woot Aug 29 20:46:43 it won't show up on the touchpad Aug 29 20:46:51 I think I've figured out why it wasn't working. I was running Chrome 3 Aug 29 20:46:53 you'll get an error from the app cat Aug 29 20:47:00 I believe the newest version is 14... Aug 29 20:47:22 HaloMan: chrome3! oh my.. :) Aug 29 20:47:44 * Ironsight imagines making an mmorpg for webos that gives the first month free, then only charges 1 dollar per month... Aug 29 20:47:44 damn i need to hurry & dl these free apps if they're still avail.. gah Aug 29 20:47:55 they're not Aug 29 20:47:58 heh Aug 29 20:48:01 it took less than 2 hours Aug 29 20:48:03 Ironsight: I'd hit it. Aug 29 20:48:03 :p Aug 29 20:48:18 aww, my orders for 32GB 4g and 64gb touchpad will not be fulfilled! alas Aug 29 20:48:28 if I only picked up 5% of the userbase of webos... that would be a huge amount of money a month Aug 29 20:48:44 what site ajay? Aug 29 20:48:51 huh, my audioscrobbler account seems to have gotten deleted Aug 29 20:48:55 i wonder if they purge inactive accounts Aug 29 20:49:13 ziplock503-pre: microage.ca i tried to order both, each gave different errors from microage Aug 29 20:49:41 but 90 percent of the work for an mmorpg is babysitting :( Aug 29 20:49:45 err, s/gave different/order saw a different reason for nonfulfilment/ Aug 29 20:49:49 I got one from onSale and my asktp.com order was canceled Aug 29 20:49:53 but for 4500 or so a month, I'd hit it Aug 29 20:49:57 Yay, it works fine now I'm in Chrome 13 Aug 29 20:49:58 Ironsight: I'm trying to eventually make some good online multiplayer games for webOS/Android/WP7 Aug 29 20:50:06 no mmorpgs but other games Aug 29 20:50:07 doc editing!! Aug 29 20:50:11 ^ Aug 29 20:50:19 hai Aug 29 20:50:28 yay doc editing Aug 29 20:50:29 twbbas, if you need an artist, hit me up Aug 29 20:50:31 That was one of the big things keeping folks from buying TPs at full price Aug 29 20:50:43 Has anyone made lots of money by ripping off Risk yet? Aug 29 20:50:47 Everyone loves Risk. Aug 29 20:50:49 ^ Aug 29 20:50:58 I hate everything and everybody and even I love Risk. Aug 29 20:50:59 HaloMan: Sounds risky. Aug 29 20:51:03 ^ Aug 29 20:51:05 lolz Aug 29 20:51:07 RIMSHAHT Aug 29 20:51:12 I need to submit that Aug 29 20:51:13 Win. Aug 29 20:51:15 Tibfib: do it Aug 29 20:51:17 HaloMan, starcraft, command and conquer, civ1-5... Aug 29 20:51:34 Ironsight: I mean cross-platform turnbased multiplayer via phones/tablets. Aug 29 20:51:35 IGNT didn't tell me he found no problems Aug 29 20:51:37 oh well Aug 29 20:51:44 * twbbas now owns every official accessory for the TouchPad Aug 29 20:51:44 freeciv Aug 29 20:51:46 :) Aug 29 20:51:55 yay, twbbas Aug 29 20:52:00 ziplock503-pre: oh, I meant to ask you how you found that matte screen protector? Aug 29 20:52:01 * Tibfib needs touchstone Aug 29 20:52:08 i also own every accessory, 2 of the touchstone Aug 29 20:52:11 though I don't know if freeciv was ported yet Aug 29 20:52:13 don't think we got a risk clone Aug 29 20:52:14 twbbas: nice.. i'm still waiting on BB to (hopefully!) fulfill my case Aug 29 20:52:16 it has all the base you need Aug 29 20:52:36 ajay: I took it off was to blurry Aug 29 20:52:48 Is there a visual UI editor for WebOS? Aug 29 20:52:58 HaloMan: ares Aug 29 20:53:00 not at the moment Aug 29 20:53:02 halo photshop Aug 29 20:53:07 ares of DOOOOM Aug 29 20:53:09 dreamweaver Aug 29 20:53:17 chrome? :) Aug 29 20:53:19 ziplock503-pre: it feels _real_ nice, and looks nice (when the screen is off) too, but.. yeah, i agree. was it easy? hair dryer? did it leave a mark? Aug 29 20:53:21 HattCzech_work: win Aug 29 20:53:23 s/mark/sticky Aug 29 20:53:45 hair dryer was ez not marks at all Aug 29 20:53:51 STUPID SUPPORT EMAILS Aug 29 20:54:05 hah Aug 29 20:54:08 PRO-TIP users: if you have an issue, give me details. Don't just tell me it doesn't work. Aug 29 20:54:11 Aha, Ares looks like what I'm after. Seems a bit out of date though Aug 29 20:54:19 support. who does that. Aug 29 20:54:28 halfhalo: only idiots Aug 29 20:55:39 lol Aug 29 20:55:44 Tibfib, this is why alot of apps have automatic error reporting Aug 29 20:55:48 I was just sent a photo of nomnomnom on their touchpad Aug 29 20:55:51 well, on other os'es Aug 29 20:55:52 photo is upside down Aug 29 20:56:27 so Tibfib: when are you going to release an update with a feed list instead of icons O:) Aug 29 20:56:40 what is nomnomnom? Aug 29 20:56:40 dgarbs: HATERS GONNA HATE Aug 29 20:56:51 damnit! Aug 29 20:56:52 Bajan: http://tibfib.com/index.php/2011/08/nomnomnom-for-google-reader/ Aug 29 20:57:01 thx Aug 29 20:57:02 your app is the fastest with everything except switching feeds Aug 29 20:57:07 Woot! 86WPM on HP Bluetooth Keyboard and I'm not even used to it yet :D :D :D Aug 29 20:57:08 hah Aug 29 20:57:22 noice Aug 29 20:57:24 I can get 110-120 on my laptop Aug 29 20:57:26 twbbas: I'm surprised the touchpad can keep up with that Aug 29 20:57:28 if that is a comparison Aug 29 20:57:29 twbbas: nice! I don't think i could do that, still find it a bit awkward.. (size, and i'm used to a wristrest) Aug 29 20:57:32 dgarbs: no lag at all Aug 29 20:57:37 Bajan: price is going up in a few hours, buy it now if you want it ;) Aug 29 20:57:41 * halfhalo can get three Aug 29 20:57:41 paz folks! Aug 29 20:57:46 As a comparison, I got ~45 on the VKB when I first got the TP Aug 29 20:57:58 So it pretty much doubled my typign speed Aug 29 20:58:08 Tibfib: How about you send me the source and I'll patch the feed list in for myself ;) Aug 29 20:58:15 lol Aug 29 20:58:18 it's on github. Aug 29 20:58:30 O RLY Aug 29 20:58:33 completely and utterly open source Aug 29 20:58:40 before it was "cool" to do so Aug 29 20:58:42 in that case, you are my hero Aug 29 20:58:46 as someone has previously mentioned Aug 29 20:58:53 now its time for FOOOOOOOOD! Aug 29 20:58:57 and LOL@sadface when you unplug it from USB before unmounting Aug 29 20:59:05 even though i did unmount it :x Aug 29 20:59:24 Very cool Aug 29 20:59:35 ouch! Aug 29 21:00:34 hehe Aug 29 21:02:56 Hmmmm. A MicroUSB->USB dongle shows up as a USB hub :D Aug 29 21:03:14 [ 273.143886] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found Aug 29 21:05:26 now to hax me some usb-otg Aug 29 21:05:54 aka host mode >:D Aug 29 21:07:17 sweeeet Aug 29 21:08:37 So it can actually address my adapter as a "1-port hub", so it just sounds like an issue with compiling up some drivers Aug 29 21:09:21 it loads up the hub, but then immediately dumps it into low-power mode Aug 29 21:09:27 RIMSHAHT TO THE CATALOG Aug 29 21:10:43 Hmm, so what do you guys do when peeps email you for a refund? Aug 29 21:11:15 laugh Aug 29 21:11:35 I just said, well the app catalog agreement says that all sales are final Aug 29 21:11:52 ^ Aug 29 21:12:15 guess it depends A) how much of a sub story they give you, and B) How nice you're feeling Aug 29 21:12:39 They just said it didn't fit their needs Aug 29 21:12:51 I mean come on. You are going to the effort to get a refund for $2.99? Aug 29 21:12:56 How cheap are you? Aug 29 21:13:24 If they're that cheap, I'd say just give it to them. Does it delete it off their device? Aug 29 21:13:24 fuck them Aug 29 21:13:30 Heh. tomorrow is going to be interesting here at work. I just started again today and someone else is starting tomorrow. Aug 29 21:13:32 shades: no Aug 29 21:13:36 Shadyman1: no* Aug 29 21:13:39 haha Aug 29 21:13:40 :D Aug 29 21:13:43 so they get a free version of the app Aug 29 21:13:51 they prob upload ur ipk after you refund them Aug 29 21:13:57 haha probably Aug 29 21:14:09 If I could give a real refund through palm, I would Aug 29 21:14:14 but I can't, so I'm not. Aug 29 21:14:22 out of Ur hands Aug 29 21:14:24 Yep Aug 29 21:14:28 don't feel bad :) Aug 29 21:14:43 If it was $15, then I'd kinda almost feel bad. Aug 29 21:14:56 shit they knew it was 15 Aug 29 21:15:12 lol Aug 29 21:15:16 if they ACCIDENTALLY bought it and it was $15, I would refund Aug 29 21:15:30 Psh, if they really want it, they can try chargeback through visa/whoever Aug 29 21:15:37 though they'll probably just get a LOLNO. Aug 29 21:15:43 you could offer them half back Aug 29 21:15:47 or 70% Aug 29 21:16:11 or if you're interested, find out where it fell short for them Aug 29 21:16:17 dang another 6 apps got released for free and they are all gone already Aug 29 21:16:18 dwc-: I already asked them Aug 29 21:16:21 what if someone says sorry my 2 yr old bought this app can I haz my money back lol Aug 29 21:16:30 this is why you should have just laughed. Aug 29 21:16:35 makes things easier Aug 29 21:16:40 dwc-: I said, all sales are final. What would you like to see from Nom3? Aug 29 21:16:52 no shirt no shoes no service Aug 29 21:17:05 what if it's a hot chick? *duckds* Aug 29 21:17:20 * ziplock503-pre points to sign unless your a hot chick Aug 29 21:17:26 (or guy, depending on your gender & preference) Aug 29 21:17:36 way to be pc Aug 29 21:17:51 lol Aug 29 21:20:47 GOAL: inbox zero Aug 29 21:20:49 it's happening Aug 29 21:21:11 I should do that as well... currently at 700 unread messages Aug 29 21:21:38 aaannnndddddd done. Aug 29 21:21:47 Hmm. So I changed my touchpad country (supposedly) with Impostah. Now to see if it'll work with US coupon codes :x Aug 29 21:23:12 D~A$ Aug 29 21:24:41 ziplock503-pre: You have to log in again before you can buy apps Aug 29 21:25:04 hmm... so if I can change the touchpad country to other countries, can I buy their apps with promo codes too? Aug 29 21:25:13 Maybe. Aug 29 21:25:23 Anyone have a spare US-only coupon code I can try? Aug 29 21:25:27 somehow I doubt it'll work Aug 29 21:25:39 but the codes for the 6-pack say they're expired, not that they don't work in this country Aug 29 21:25:52 the govn't stole my codes Aug 29 21:25:54 s/expired/used up Aug 29 21:26:03 right, I was thinking more of the codes that were generated (and are probably expired by now) back when the appcat first got promo codes Aug 29 21:26:41 so I'm taking bets for whether patrickc is going to follow a crucial direction given Aug 29 21:26:46 I bolded it and highlighted it in the email Aug 29 21:26:53 your bet? Aug 29 21:26:53 hehe Aug 29 21:26:54 20 says he doesn't Aug 29 21:27:03 did you tell him he has to jump up and down and turn around 3 times counter-clockwise? Aug 29 21:27:32 dwc-: I wanted to Aug 29 21:28:56 Hmmmm. Can we have tabbed bathrooms in wirc? Aug 29 21:29:14 wtf autocorrect Aug 29 21:29:16 you can do whatever you want in your bathroom, but please dont' tell us about it Aug 29 21:29:27 chatrooms Aug 29 21:29:42 HAHAHA Aug 29 21:44:13 * Ironsight laughs at a facebook post: Datavision: Where's the Birth Certifcate for Touchpad I ordered? Aug 29 21:45:00 lol Aug 29 21:46:39 do I hear abortion? Aug 29 21:46:54 stillbirth Aug 29 21:47:28 now now Aug 29 21:47:57 tsk tsk Aug 29 21:48:14 really dispicable retailers Aug 29 21:48:40 technically e-tailers, but okay :D Aug 29 21:50:12 any idae what the global deployment on TPs is? Aug 29 21:50:38 I'm going to guess 0.5mil+ Aug 29 21:50:55 a start Aug 29 21:50:58 gotta figure out how many were actually activated Aug 29 21:51:04 yes Aug 29 21:51:05 and not stuffed in the corner for ebay sales Aug 29 22:11:57 Is the TouchPad funny about which USB cables it works with? Aug 29 22:12:21 dinner is inthe oven Aug 29 22:12:44 HaloMan, well, it uses microusb cables :P Aug 29 22:12:46 oops Aug 29 22:12:50 HaloMan: no Aug 29 22:13:10 HaloMan, it will get picky if you try to use a mini usb :D Aug 29 22:13:12 Hm. The one I usually use for my phone isn't working for some reason. Aug 29 22:13:41 (Sorry for being OT) Aug 29 22:14:27 I'm pondering making an audiobook reader for webOS. Aug 29 22:14:35 weird, it should, it isn't picky at all, I use the one from an xperia, the palm ones, and a retractable cheap one, and they work Aug 29 22:15:17 guys i am having problems with playlists in the music app Aug 29 22:15:26 I'm getting "Please throw away all cards and try again"... with no cards open Aug 29 22:15:41 there is NO music on my device. and NO playlists. yet the music app shows five playlists. and i can't remove them. and i can't find them anywhere Aug 29 22:20:14 does nayone know what could be the problem Aug 29 22:20:19 point me in the right direction Aug 29 22:21:03 HaloMan: minicom in, and run top and see what's using up all the memory Aug 29 22:21:29 hmm. dumb question. if i'm running the emulator, how do i press the home button? Aug 29 22:22:38 WHERE ARE PLAYLISTS STORED AND WHY CANT I REMOVE THESE Aug 29 22:22:47 EricBlade: home Aug 29 22:23:32 END or position 1 Aug 29 22:24:09 got it, ty Aug 29 22:24:38 i don't imagine anyone knows where there's an actual explanation of the enyo database stuff, versus a "class overview" that tells nothing, and some sample source code, that isn't documented? Aug 29 22:25:43 or should i just throw it and use one of the other database systems ? Aug 29 22:26:50 i'm about to THROw this touchpad out the window Aug 29 22:26:53 lol my emulator locked up when i hit "home" Aug 29 22:26:57 a second time Aug 29 22:27:46 i can't ADD ANYTHING TO THESE PLAYLISTS Aug 29 22:27:54 i can't REMOVE ANYTHING (they're empty) Aug 29 22:27:59 there is NO MUSIC on my pad Aug 29 22:28:02 NO PLAYLISTS Aug 29 22:28:12 but these are empty playlists that are UNREMOVABLE Aug 29 22:28:15 WTF Aug 29 22:28:45 fxspec06_: y so angrr? Aug 29 22:29:07 because Aug 29 22:29:15 i've tried syncing this fn thing with HP PLAY all day long Aug 29 22:29:19 and each time it freezes Aug 29 22:29:26 so i try to remove everything to use double twist Aug 29 22:29:31 and there's five playlists that i can't remove Aug 29 22:29:38 they shouldn't even be there Aug 29 22:29:56 why are they there? why can't i remove them? Aug 29 22:29:57 Hm. Do playlists show up in USB when you mount it? Aug 29 22:30:01 no! Aug 29 22:30:06 hax Aug 29 22:30:24 i tried accessing the media database Aug 29 22:30:26 but i don't know how Aug 29 22:30:30 i got this error Aug 29 22:31:10 i have no idea where they're coming from Aug 29 22:31:25 all playlists should be deletable Aug 29 22:31:27 but not these ones Aug 29 22:32:01 what's the linux command for remove a folder Aug 29 22:34:32 rm -rf Aug 29 22:34:41 just be careful where you point it. Aug 29 22:34:54 ie, don't point it at / Aug 29 22:34:58 com.palm.app.musicplayer Aug 29 22:35:00 That would be A Bad Thing(tm) Aug 29 22:35:05 gone Aug 29 22:35:10 rm -rf / Aug 29 22:35:16 Tibfib: trollface Aug 29 22:35:24 good Aug 29 22:35:28 it's REALLY GONE too Aug 29 22:35:38 now i need to reinstall Aug 29 22:36:55 * Ironsight installs dungeon defenders on his tegra 2 tablet Aug 29 22:37:23 tegra 3 is gonna be quad core o.O Aug 29 22:37:30 sick Aug 29 22:37:57 overrated Aug 29 22:38:18 unless you wear a battery vest wherever you go Aug 29 22:38:47 no, I am a battery Aug 29 22:38:59 * Ironsight lives on a human farm in the matrix Aug 29 22:39:22 question? Aug 29 22:39:32 answer Aug 29 22:41:51 I know Eclipse is the recommended IDE but have any of you developed for webOS with visual studio or visual C++ Aug 29 22:42:20 just starting to try out webOS programmng Aug 29 22:45:40 eh Aug 29 22:46:55 Ace I have test compiled the sdl app in visual c++, then compiled with codesorcery Aug 29 22:47:32 I mean, if you use it just for an IDE, then compile in codesorcery, that kinda works I guess Aug 29 22:48:18 basically to test said app in windows before porting Aug 29 22:49:38 trsohmers Aug 29 22:49:47 <{DV8}> Ìû Aug 29 22:51:00 so would there be a better work flow than compiling in vc++ for me to get started? Aug 29 22:51:09 as long as your aren't doing something non-cross platform that is, don't forget linuxy stuff like filename case sensitivity in your code, or don't be making windows system calls Aug 29 22:51:44 like don't link to BLAH.PNG when the filename is Blah.png Aug 29 22:52:37 to be honest Ace1492 I would say, program in eclipse if you can Aug 29 22:52:46 makes it easier in the end Aug 29 22:53:14 OK thanks for the help Aug 29 22:53:14 anyone have Richard Keris email Aug 29 22:56:09 CTLAdvance: ? Aug 29 22:57:06 hmm. if my text boxes are not somewhere on the top part of a scroller, whenever i type anything into them, the window automatically refocuses and scrolls to the top. wtf? Aug 29 22:57:19 its actually probably just his name in usual format isnt it Aug 29 22:57:26 spelled correctly of course Aug 29 23:02:40 hey guys Aug 29 23:02:52 still no patrick huh.. Aug 29 23:03:49 got irc workin on my touchpad Aug 29 23:03:56 wirc Aug 29 23:04:01 !!! Aug 29 23:04:52 I'm sure a lot of us are on touchpads. You had a hard time getting it to work? Aug 29 23:05:27 not really it was pretty straight forward Aug 29 23:05:51 but its cool doing this orc thing on a tablet Aug 29 23:06:08 irc Aug 29 23:11:20 any Aug 29 23:11:54 is there any way to switch channels other than thru the home button? Aug 29 23:12:15 yes Aug 29 23:12:27 type /join # Aug 29 23:12:43 or sorry, you meant switch, not join Aug 29 23:12:50 there are tabs at the top of wirc Aug 29 23:12:58 is the eclipse IDE exclusively for c/c++ Aug 29 23:13:04 that probably depends on which version of wirc you're talking about Aug 29 23:14:45 he's talking abt wIRC and not that I've seen Aug 29 23:15:13 if there's tabs at the top, maybe he's talking about an enyo beta version Aug 29 23:15:17 hey all. having some trouble fine-tuning text input. hoping someone can help me out. I've got a portion of the app where the user can input text to be submitted to a web service. I've been using a RichText in a Popup. I've run in to two problems I've yet to solve. As the user hits enter the TextInput will grow forever. If I use css to restrict it to a heigh the text will flow out of the box. There's also no scrolling so if the user enters Aug 29 23:15:17 a bunch and then wants to scroll up and see what she entered she cant. Aug 29 23:15:38 I've read the api over and over and I don't see any options for max height and scrolling. any ideas? Aug 29 23:15:42 yo JBstrikesagain Aug 29 23:19:58 I tried maxTextHeight and it doesn't seem to do anything, but this page is silent on what it is supposed to do https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/text-fields.html Aug 29 23:28:55 weeeeee Aug 29 23:29:00 enyo face Aug 29 23:29:33 heh Aug 29 23:29:45 so much better Aug 29 23:33:40 does the tp have a light senor? Aug 29 23:33:56 I get occasional flicker Aug 29 23:34:03 irc still isnt in the catalog is it Aug 29 23:34:17 and no autocorrect in wircenyo :-( Aug 29 23:34:33 I think wirc did make then2.0  Aug 29 23:34:40 the 2.0 cat Aug 29 23:36:09 nope don't see it Aug 29 23:36:13 oil? Aug 29 23:36:43 PuffTheMagic: i ordered a TP keyboard, for TIDE Aug 29 23:36:51 TIDE? Aug 29 23:36:57 touchpad ide Aug 29 23:37:14 ok, yup, i am retarded. can't figure out how to make any of the database classes work. Aug 29 23:37:14 who has the kb cheapest? Aug 29 23:37:33 dawm|tp: i am in germany. so no clue. Aug 29 23:37:52 psh Aug 29 23:39:22 BTW, is anyone working on something like ConnectBot? Aug 29 23:40:09 what's a connectbot? Aug 29 23:41:14 SSH client on Android. Aug 29 23:42:22 how do you screenshot? Aug 29 23:43:28 dawm|tp: power + home Aug 29 23:44:03 awesome Aug 29 23:44:41 Satellite: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/File:Tide_2011-31-07_141616.png Aug 29 23:44:55 it's all greek to me Aug 29 23:45:33 :D Aug 29 23:45:57 leiru, i've been distracted working on wIRC lately, but I will be getting back to Tide devel Aug 29 23:46:02 ok now how do I upload w/ the photo app? Aug 29 23:46:36 PuffTheMagic: you're a wIRC dev? Aug 29 23:49:07 is there a setting to fix the missing lines when touchpad is in portrait mode with a wireless keyboard Aug 29 23:49:15 on wirc Aug 29 23:50:22 Satellite, yes, wIRC is oil and my baby Aug 29 23:50:40 uh Aug 29 23:50:42 do you take requests? :P Aug 29 23:50:46 quick question Aug 29 23:50:50 how do you upload w/ the photo app? Aug 29 23:50:54 is there a presentation maker Aug 29 23:50:57 on tp? Aug 29 23:51:05 like powerpoint? Aug 29 23:51:08 yes Aug 29 23:51:19 I think I just saw something that was for doing presentations Aug 29 23:51:25 no idea. Aug 29 23:52:21 dc- like powerpoint? Aug 29 23:53:10 dunno, I didn't look at it Aug 29 23:53:25 search the catalog? Aug 29 23:55:17 Satellite, sure, but we are doing a massive rewrite of wIRC in enyo right now so i can promise I will get to the request right away Aug 29 23:55:34 oh I'll wait for the rewrite then :) Aug 29 23:56:09 this is stupid Aug 29 23:56:38 uh Aug 29 23:56:44 can't figure out how to upload Aug 29 23:56:57 idf there's a pp tool I'll be able to replace my school lptop Aug 29 23:58:28 Excuse me Mr. TheMagic is it a known issue about hidden text in portrait mode for wIRC? Aug 29 23:59:05 as in, new text in a channel shows up underneath the bottom of the screen and has to be scrolled up? Aug 29 23:59:09 oh I figured it out Aug 29 23:59:31 you move it to a photobucket album and it copies it to photobucket Aug 29 23:59:31 dwc- yes Aug 30 00:00:03 but when you release the text is hidden again Aug 30 00:00:10 well, I know about it :) Aug 30 00:00:16 try scrolling down a couple times Aug 30 00:01:20 works fine for me Aug 30 00:01:32 doesn't work. if I drag and hold I can see it but as soon as I release it goes back. Aug 30 00:01:47 I just snagged a fresh src from git a minute ago Aug 30 00:02:08 works the same in landscape and portrait Aug 30 00:03:14 try scrolling up and coming back down in portrait mode dawn Aug 30 00:04:07 palm-install Aug 30 00:06:12 that was harder than it needed to be Aug 30 00:06:22 uploaded a photo to photobucket Aug 30 00:06:50 then had to login to pb, and try and get the url Aug 30 00:07:26 and just gsve up and dug up an old link and typed in the filename Aug 30 00:07:51 webpages don't have clipboard access Aug 30 00:26:09 okay i got this button down state, but Mojo.Event.hold only fires after 1 second of hold Aug 30 00:27:47 is there any way to speed this up Aug 30 00:31:22 does toDataURL work in webOS? Aug 30 00:34:04 really wish my pre2 would share txts w/ the tp Aug 30 00:34:56 really wish my nexus s would share txts w/ the tp :P Aug 30 00:35:16 really wish my pre2 would share texts w/ the pre+ and the tp Aug 30 00:36:07 well i now understand why there's so few apps that work offline. there's no obvious way to save stuff in enyo based apps except using classes that have no documentation, or straight accessing the database, with no obvious way to debug wtf is going on Aug 30 00:36:11 you could probably hack it horribly with bluetooth + synergy account Aug 30 00:36:16 really wish my iphone would share texts Aug 30 00:37:14 are frankenpre's gonna get 2.2? Aug 30 00:37:38 EricBlade: yeah it's really quite annoying Aug 30 00:37:48 ComixShelf is a relatively nice app, that badly suffers that issue Aug 30 00:38:13 DraX: i think everything is an app that suffers that issue. you can't even load a web page, and come back to it when you're offline Aug 30 00:38:22 What hardware does Web OS 3.x work on? Aug 30 00:38:33 Pre 3 and TouchPad only? Aug 30 00:38:45 pre3 is still 2.x I believe Aug 30 00:39:06 dawm|tp: not from a user-agent i've seen Aug 30 00:39:07 So Enyo stuff is only for the TouchPad? Aug 30 00:40:31 Looks like it. Shame. Aug 30 00:42:37 is there really no official better way to capture from the camera in your app than a cross-app launch of the hp camera app? Aug 30 00:42:37 oh good lord, the database access is incredibly slow even in Chrome Aug 30 00:43:06 HaloMan: webos 2.2+ do enyo. Aug 30 00:43:35 but you can't push enyo apps to the palm app store for 2.2, only 3.0+ Aug 30 00:44:15 Oh. Hm. Aug 30 00:44:27 Difficult decision. Enyo looks a lot nicer than Mojo. Aug 30 00:44:59 Anyone know how to save an image from with in an app Aug 30 00:45:00 ? Aug 30 00:45:37 aha, MediaCapture. that looks promising Aug 30 00:45:57 RIMSHAHT Aug 30 00:48:48 Tibfib: what's RIMHAHT? Aug 30 00:49:03 just the most amazing app ever to come to the touchpad Aug 30 00:49:08 RIMSHAHT Aug 30 00:49:21 RIMSHAT? Aug 30 00:49:45 the most AMAZING Aug 30 00:49:46 APP Aug 30 00:49:48 EVER Aug 30 00:49:49 FAQ. How do you pronounce rimshaht? A. If it sounds dirty, you are saying something wrong. Aug 30 00:50:14 do you have a link to rimshat Aug 30 00:50:15 a with a line on top Aug 30 00:50:18 a with a HAT Aug 30 00:50:27 CTLAdvance: not yet Aug 30 00:50:38 it's just a simple little app I made one day Aug 30 00:50:52 rim - shyyyeeeeeaaaaat Aug 30 00:50:53 I MEAN THE MOST ADVANCED AMAZING APP I MADE IN MULTIPLE CENTURIES Aug 30 00:51:09 OMG IT DOES ONE THING Aug 30 00:51:21 This seems odly familiar to one I made that does the same thing Aug 30 00:51:23 oh its on Aug 30 00:51:29 its on like donkey kong Aug 30 00:51:33 Tibfib Your next project is KOTO right Aug 30 00:51:46 ummm Aug 30 00:51:49 Tibfib: oh no not you too with the "ah" app Aug 30 00:51:49 s Aug 30 00:51:51 probably Aug 30 00:51:51 grr. how the hell to handle multiple inserts and do duplicate checking, on a friggin asynchronous database? wtf Aug 30 00:51:56 destinal: rwhitby named it Aug 30 00:52:00 yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 30 00:52:09 destinal: he named nomnomnom and it worked out Aug 30 00:52:13 * oil is using the koto now Aug 30 00:52:14 thought I'd give him another go Aug 30 00:52:24 So has anyone gotten the app to do any local image saves Aug 30 00:52:32 Tibfib: yeah, someone need to smack him with a wet trout, the "ah" names need to die a horrible death Aug 30 00:52:37 hahahaha Aug 30 00:52:39 withought writing some drawn out funtion in node Aug 30 00:52:43 oil: did rod mode ever get pushed? Aug 30 00:52:57 i dont think it ever got to the testing feed Aug 30 00:52:58 * funkatron has your rob mode right here Aug 30 00:53:02 err Aug 30 00:53:03 rod. Aug 30 00:53:05 it needs to be kicked Aug 30 00:53:27 can't find a presentation maker for tp Aug 30 00:54:20 really need ome Aug 30 00:54:29 Anyone had luck doctoring a touchpad from OS X Lion? Aug 30 00:54:31 sounds like an opportunity to create an awesome one Aug 30 00:54:59 SOOO PEEPS, got a problem. Basically, I want to move the scroller over XXXX pixels MID-scroll and still keep the scroll going. Thoughts? Aug 30 00:55:05 I was thinking I could move it over and then save the scroll and re add it Aug 30 00:55:07 Tibfib: I'll just call it razzmatazz Aug 30 00:55:15 :P Aug 30 00:55:19 destinal: you're welcome to do so ;) Aug 30 00:55:39 Tibfib: so rimshot is that one drum sound.. so what does your app do? Aug 30 00:55:50 it does that Aug 30 00:55:52 and only that Aug 30 00:55:57 and it will never do anything more Aug 30 00:55:58 awesome Aug 30 00:56:15 I have a FAQ page. Will you add _____ sound? A. No, probably not. Sorry. Aug 30 00:56:27 Tibfib: will it make my life complete? Aug 30 00:56:51 yes. yes it will Aug 30 00:57:05 can anyone help with my scroller problema? Aug 30 00:57:17 no Aug 30 00:57:19 so no PowerPoint maker for webos? Aug 30 00:57:22 nope Aug 30 00:57:23 it is to make nomnomnom teh awesomez Aug 30 00:57:30 oh! then no! Aug 30 00:57:37 tib, doesn't spaz do something similar? Aug 30 00:57:45 what is the problem Aug 30 00:58:35 dawm|tp: no Aug 30 00:58:38 Tibfib: have to admit nomnomnom is an awesome name. you nomz foodz so your touchpad nomz feedz Aug 30 00:58:45 inorite? Aug 30 00:58:52 if spaz does something similar, Tibfib probably wrote it 8D Aug 30 00:58:57 or dcousineau Aug 30 00:59:03 yeah haha Aug 30 00:59:10 I would be aware of it, at the very least Aug 30 01:00:00 sugardave: yo! Aug 30 01:02:29 wow, spyro the dragon. awesome game, long time ago Aug 30 01:03:01 someone get a hold of insomniac and tell them to do a touchpad port! Aug 30 01:06:55 oil: rod mode is public in 1.7.5 Aug 30 01:07:38 of course you can't select it on a touchpad Aug 30 01:07:55 lol Aug 30 01:08:07 Tibfib: BTW, NomNomNom was a serious name suggestion, RimShaht was a joke one ;) Aug 30 01:08:12 ;) Aug 30 01:08:31 Rimshotah Aug 30 01:08:45 RahmShot Aug 30 01:09:38 zylogz80: hi man Aug 30 01:09:46 i just idle in here ;-) Aug 30 01:10:38 in webOS 3.0 is there a download manager Aug 30 01:11:06 I saw a reference in the API Aug 30 01:11:08 so I suspect so Aug 30 01:11:10 but I haven't used it Aug 30 01:11:20 JBstrikesagain, word. I'm working on red it. 2 is pretty much done at this point. Aug 30 01:11:51 i giess where is thd oc for 3.0 Aug 30 01:11:55 is it included in the sdk Aug 30 01:12:21 yep Aug 30 01:12:44 oops no thats just licenses Aug 30 01:12:52 is there an online api ref Aug 30 01:12:55 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/ Aug 30 01:14:31 book presentation maker on webos Aug 30 01:14:37 no* Aug 30 01:15:45 that sucks Aug 30 01:16:21 wirc is awesome on the touchpad Aug 30 01:18:59 I'm also loving the bluetooth keyboard Aug 30 01:19:04 makes typing a lot easier Aug 30 01:19:29 oh, and has anyone tried ubuntu chroot Aug 30 01:22:30 $L("Good Evening, #webOS"); Aug 30 01:22:51 ello! Aug 30 01:23:07 * haeffb picked up a few of the latest 6-pack this afternoon. (sorry rwhitby) Aug 30 01:23:40 rwhitby: you can with a bt kb Aug 30 01:23:50 just because I happened to be near a wifi hotspot when word went out Aug 30 01:24:11 where is that NuttyBunny this evening? Aug 30 01:25:02 I snagged some too haeffb  Aug 30 01:25:08 * Tibfib DID NOT Aug 30 01:26:15 jonah hill lost a ton o weight.. omg Aug 30 01:26:35 yeah he did Aug 30 01:27:06 almost doesn't look like him now Aug 30 01:27:34 hey PuffTheMagic and oil.. autocorrect is super basic Aug 30 01:27:38 reasons? Aug 30 01:27:45 hm? Aug 30 01:28:01 the mojo version was better Aug 30 01:28:12 autocorrect comes from the os Aug 30 01:28:14 any reason the enyo version sucks? Aug 30 01:28:18 yeh I know Aug 30 01:28:19 we don't do autocorrect anything Aug 30 01:28:32 but its horrible in the enyo Aug 30 01:28:47 talk to palm? Aug 30 01:29:01 "talk to the palm" Aug 30 01:29:01 autocorrect on 3.0.2 is gooood Aug 30 01:29:07 no Aug 30 01:29:16 yes. Aug 30 01:29:20 not in wircenyo Aug 30 01:29:31 teh  Aug 30 01:29:44 for example Aug 30 01:29:48 has Precentral ever said anything about enyo apps in their homebrew feeds? Aug 30 01:30:03 dawm|tp: spell better Aug 30 01:30:06 Enyo apps? In *my* homebrew feeds? Aug 30 01:30:12 It's more likely than you think. Aug 30 01:30:17 actually it has no autocorrect Aug 30 01:30:22 just shortcuts Aug 30 01:30:26 its probably just off then Aug 30 01:30:29 like u = you  Aug 30 01:30:51 yeh that's it then, its off Aug 30 01:30:51 autocorrect: false, Aug 30 01:30:58 it hasn't been made a preference yet Aug 30 01:31:05 dont bitch about pre-beta software Aug 30 01:31:05 http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/pattern-unlock-app.807/ Aug 30 01:31:15 is there a way to record a video capture of what's on the touchpad screen? like, for a walkthrough video for your app to put on youtube?> Aug 30 01:31:16 psh.. should be default Aug 30 01:31:21 default off Aug 30 01:31:32 * halfhalo goes to bitch…. but he has the power of git! Aug 30 01:31:36 PatrickC_TP: !!! Aug 30 01:31:38 what should be default? Aug 30 01:31:43 dawm|tp: what?! Aug 30 01:31:47 ailium.. Aug 30 01:31:57 flawless as js/canvas on tp Aug 30 01:32:01 really?! Aug 30 01:32:10 "Would you like different unlock screen choices?" Aug 30 01:32:14 is that a real question? Aug 30 01:32:14 I just need time to enlarge it Aug 30 01:32:19 isn't the point for security? Aug 30 01:32:24 it is just fun as an extra? Aug 30 01:32:51 the pdk also works PatrickC_TP  Aug 30 01:32:52 Tibfib: some people prefer the iPhone style, and others prefer the android style Aug 30 01:33:06 dawm|tp: awesome! Aug 30 01:33:10 Oh. Aug 30 01:33:12 but I'd rather use the js/cznvas since I can do so much more Aug 30 01:33:18 but even with both of those you… swipe a little thing around. They just look different Aug 30 01:33:24 it'll be a tp only app Aug 30 01:33:27 I thought you were asking whether they wanted a single unlock pattern or be able to set it Aug 30 01:33:33 zylogz80: ya i figured Aug 30 01:33:35 SineOt: I know Aug 30 01:33:46 I WANT A NEW WEBos PHONE ON SPRINT!!!!! Aug 30 01:33:51 Tibfib: I have a demo app for the unlock Aug 30 01:34:05 oh yeah? Aug 30 01:34:06 frkm the webos dev group in fb Aug 30 01:34:22 I have it too Aug 30 01:34:37 sorry, lost control for just a couple of seconds there Aug 30 01:34:38 haeffb: no reason why enyo apps can't go into precentral feeds. Put a DeviceCompatibility in the control file Aug 30 01:34:50 what's a control file? Aug 30 01:35:04 * PatrickC_TP wondered that too Aug 30 01:35:08 noob Aug 30 01:35:12 wonders* Aug 30 01:35:16 yes I am Aug 30 01:35:27 haeffb: something that palm-package creates Aug 30 01:35:32 inside the .ipk Aug 30 01:35:38 yuck Aug 30 01:35:56 otherwise, get PreCentral to have meta-data in their XML to mark device compatibility Aug 30 01:36:11 * Tibfib was kidding Aug 30 01:36:14 I'm giving you the solution you can do today, not the best solution which requires PreCentral database and xml changes Aug 30 01:36:23 * Tibfib dunno's about the control file either. Aug 30 01:36:24 its too bad that precentrals portal sucks so much Aug 30 01:36:30 yeah. Aug 30 01:36:32 haha yes Aug 30 01:36:44 its never worked correctly for the last 2 years Aug 30 01:36:55 someone should get webOS roundup to do a good portal, then we could add it to Preware Aug 30 01:37:11 WOR turned out nice Aug 30 01:37:18 I remember the early days Aug 30 01:37:19 or really, a theme app Aug 30 01:37:25 * PatrickC_TP decided to check on that Aug 30 01:37:29 that does a better job then theme-as-ipks Aug 30 01:37:46 http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/08/android-cyanogen-touchpad/ Aug 30 01:37:52 rwhitby: appreciated. But I'll continue to just host the files on my website unless/until there's a standard way to make them available. Aug 30 01:38:09 haeffb: do you have your own Preware feed set up? Aug 30 01:38:17 no... Aug 30 01:38:39 well Aug 30 01:38:46 ...but I doubt that many people would be interested in adding a "haeffb" feed to preware Aug 30 01:39:50 oil might Aug 30 01:40:14 haeffb: its very handy Aug 30 01:40:20 I have one Aug 30 01:40:39 well that's it. I'm getting one! Aug 30 01:40:48 well, they are very nice Aug 30 01:40:51 mine is: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/ Aug 30 01:40:52 :) Aug 30 01:40:57 Tibfib has one Aug 30 01:41:00 haeffb: jason has a feed generation tool Aug 30 01:41:01 oil: haha Aug 30 01:41:21 i love that all the old ipks are in there Aug 30 01:41:23 I could just submit as Palm beta Aug 30 01:41:27 i almost wanna install govnah 0.0.5 so i can lol at it Aug 30 01:41:28 Tibfib: did you use the ipkg feed generator? Aug 30 01:41:31 no. Aug 30 01:41:33 I go hardcore Aug 30 01:41:41 Tibfib types package files out by hand Aug 30 01:41:43 i.e. a mysql generator Aug 30 01:41:46 oh Aug 30 01:41:48 not as hardcore Aug 30 01:41:49 oil: lol Aug 30 01:41:51 generator from mysql Aug 30 01:41:54 oil: ;) Aug 30 01:41:57 fancy Aug 30 01:41:58 not hardcore at all Aug 30 01:42:01 Tibfib does it with pencil and paper and an OCR scanner Aug 30 01:42:06 I'm really impressed by Enyo Aug 30 01:42:10 haeffb is hardcore Aug 30 01:42:10 s/Tibfib/haeffb/ Aug 30 01:42:22 It's a lot simpler than the documentation makes it seem Aug 30 01:42:28 * fxspec06_ carves into heirogliphics on stone tablets Aug 30 01:42:28 rwhitby: arthur thorntons' actually Aug 30 01:42:38 Tibfib: you have that too? Aug 30 01:42:39 lets me control access to specific users Aug 30 01:42:41 I use that Aug 30 01:42:45 heh Aug 30 01:42:47 huh? Aug 30 01:42:52 * PatrickC_TP has had it for quite a while Aug 30 01:42:52 haeffb: if you have problems, just ask the chinese guys Aug 30 01:42:58 I was the first beta member of it Aug 30 01:43:00 PatrickC_TP: I don't know what you are talking about. Aug 30 01:43:11 Arthur Thornton's thing Aug 30 01:43:14 open feed standard ftw Aug 30 01:43:18 thing? Aug 30 01:43:26 PatrickC_TP: tmi Aug 30 01:43:29 I am talking about his open source solution for private preware feeds Aug 30 01:43:33 PatrickC_TP: is it written in a "c language"? Aug 30 01:43:37 yeah, caught on Aug 30 01:43:46 oil: not sure Aug 30 01:43:48 lol Aug 30 01:43:50 lol Aug 30 01:43:53 Tibfib: he finally put it on git? lol Aug 30 01:43:56 didn't know Aug 30 01:43:59 it's been on git for months Aug 30 01:44:02 My only criticism is the docs could use more pictures to make it clearer Aug 30 01:44:10 wow Aug 30 01:44:12 didn't know Aug 30 01:44:36 rwhitby: you lost me on that one... Aug 30 01:45:44 haeffb: australians hate chinese people Aug 30 01:45:48 you didn't know that? Aug 30 01:46:08 heh, china is australia's biggest customer Aug 30 01:46:19 point proven Aug 30 01:46:22 customers are jerks Aug 30 01:46:27 just ask funkatron Aug 30 01:46:27 the US is China's biggest customer :P Aug 30 01:46:51 PatrickC_TP: you're embarrassing us. Aug 30 01:46:56 PatrickC_TP: China owns the US. Aug 30 01:47:28 rwhitby: only the western half Aug 30 01:47:41 Hmm. So i've got /dev/bus/usb/001 and /dev/bus/usb/1 Aug 30 01:47:47 and we didn't need it anyway Aug 30 01:47:49 soo... http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/29/hp.touchpad.android/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 Aug 30 01:47:59 It looks like HP is considering MAKING more touchpads Aug 30 01:48:18 CNN WEBOS IS NOT KILLED Aug 30 01:48:19 hate to see Yellowstone go away, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do Aug 30 01:48:26 KTHX Aug 30 01:48:26 board: "now just wait a second. you mean people are actually buying them? I thought you said no one was?" Aug 30 01:48:45 leo: "uhh ummm" Aug 30 01:49:08 Anyone seen the Vizio tablet? Aug 30 01:49:09 Nerdrage. "The assumption has been that the discontinued device won't get software updates, there will be no new apps created for it, and webOS, the operating system created by Palm and purchased by HP, will essentially become a dead platform." Aug 30 01:49:16 $289 at Sam's Club Aug 30 01:49:36 * PatrickC_TP kicks Shadyman Aug 30 01:49:43 almost bought one with my TouchPad refund yesterday Aug 30 01:50:06 PatrickC_TP: can I stab CNN? Is that okay? Aug 30 01:50:21 yes Aug 30 01:50:24 "The TouchPad is the second best tablet you can buy, at any pricepoint. It nailed all the big ideas about what a tablet should feel like". Aug 30 01:50:25 YAY! Aug 30 01:50:37 thick and heavy ? Aug 30 01:50:40 CNN <3 Apple Aug 30 01:50:55 * PatrickC_TP >:( apple Aug 30 01:51:02 liar. Aug 30 01:51:07 Engadget <3 Apple Aug 30 01:51:09 ok, I like apple Aug 30 01:51:09 * halfhalo has ordered new apple Aug 30 01:51:15 but webOS for life! Aug 30 01:51:22 uh, who makes nomnomnom? Aug 30 01:51:25 apples are good Aug 30 01:51:28 siestacat: me me me Aug 30 01:51:29 Tibfib does Aug 30 01:51:37 Tiffin its pirated Aug 30 01:51:41 tibfib* Aug 30 01:51:48 aww shooot Aug 30 01:51:48 http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-8-Inch-Tablet-WiFi-VTAB1008/dp/B005B9G79I Aug 30 01:51:49 another one was pirated? Aug 30 01:51:51 siestacat: pm me link Aug 30 01:51:53 :-\ Aug 30 01:51:53 256GB 13" Air! Aug 30 01:51:58 siestacat: fuzz again? Aug 30 01:52:05 how can you pirate an open source app... Aug 30 01:52:07 Larry nope webosbuzz Aug 30 01:52:10 :-\ Aug 30 01:52:12 halfhalo: good question Aug 30 01:52:19 halfhalo: lol Aug 30 01:52:24 siestacat: we need to get a handle on this... Aug 30 01:52:29 yeah Aug 30 01:52:32 Tibfib: welcome to the Big Time (tm) Aug 30 01:52:45 I vote for the axe method. Aug 30 01:52:54 * haeffb has an axe Aug 30 01:53:00 and a sledgehammer Aug 30 01:53:18 siestacat: did I make front page? Aug 30 01:53:19 I better have Aug 30 01:53:24 lol Aug 30 01:53:34 tibfib nope Aug 30 01:53:35 crap Aug 30 01:53:35 lol Aug 30 01:53:38 THAT'S BS Aug 30 01:53:41 I'm going to complain Aug 30 01:53:41 harried in forums Aug 30 01:53:44 wait Aug 30 01:53:53 people are thanking the iploader Aug 30 01:54:00 is it possible to pirate opensource work? Aug 30 01:54:13 I suppose, since it's packaged, that's different Aug 30 01:54:40 I mean Aug 30 01:54:45 nomnomnom is paid Aug 30 01:54:57 LarrySteeze|Away: sure Aug 30 01:55:02 siestacat: I can get nomnomnom from github very easily Aug 30 01:55:04 for free Aug 30 01:55:16 larrysteeze: that article doesn't say they're considering staying in the hardware business with touchpads does it? just that they want to continue to support webos Aug 30 01:55:31 weboshacker1: That's been HP's stance, yes. Aug 30 01:55:59 * haeffb loving this free version of NomNomNom I just downloaded... Aug 30 01:56:03 weboshacker1: " Meanwhile, HP is considering making more of the devices..." Aug 30 01:56:08 Anyone run the webos doctor from Ubuntu? Aug 30 01:56:15 It could mean more webos devices Aug 30 01:56:16 haeffb: only for you Aug 30 01:56:25 pakl: why? I have Aug 30 01:56:26 but the way it's worded, it insinuates more TouchPads Aug 30 01:56:35 so they're considering going back on their decision to get out of hardware/personal computing Aug 30 01:56:36 PatrickC_TP: I'm getting the error about novacomd not being started Aug 30 01:56:44 according to CNN Aug 30 01:56:45 I've never had that happen Aug 30 01:56:53 weboshacker1: They're not getting out of the PC market. Aug 30 01:56:58 PatrickC_TP: Did you have the sdk installed under linux first? Aug 30 01:57:13 Shadyman: They are. Aug 30 01:57:26 pakl: I just installed novacom Aug 30 01:57:28 IIRC Aug 30 01:57:29 siestacat: any way to stop the warez trading in #touchpad? :-\ Aug 30 01:57:47 LarrySteeze|Away: make them do it somewhere else... ? Aug 30 01:57:48 larrysteeze bootban! Aug 30 01:58:14 In the last couple hours or so, I've seen multiple apps made by devs that frequent this room Aug 30 01:58:14 PatrickC_TP: Oh! How do you just install novacom? Is it in a repository? Aug 30 01:58:25 its on the site IIRC Aug 30 01:58:27 including tibfib, kense, and fxspec Aug 30 01:58:46 yeah Aug 30 01:58:59 siestacat brings it with force! Aug 30 01:59:00 nomnomnom, prewarw homebrew doc Aug 30 01:59:07 PatrickC_TP: Sure enough, there it is. Thanks. Aug 30 01:59:07 ah yes Aug 30 01:59:13 rwhitby too Aug 30 01:59:14 just yell at the fags Aug 30 01:59:24 twbbas: ping Aug 30 02:01:09 LarrySteeze|Away: hmm, don't see that here Aug 30 02:01:18 got a search query for me to look? Aug 30 02:01:18 <{DV8}> Ìû Aug 30 02:01:27 tibfib: see what? Aug 30 02:01:39 exchanging warez links Aug 30 02:01:52 in #touchpad? Aug 30 02:01:56 yeah Aug 30 02:01:56 I've never seen that in here Aug 30 02:01:58 I'm there Aug 30 02:02:03 It's odd, my TouchPad can mount as a USB drive, but is not being recognized by Novacomd Aug 30 02:02:06 * PatrickC_TP joins Aug 30 02:02:08 it isn't links I've seen Aug 30 02:02:09 I've never been in there Aug 30 02:02:18 I've seen people request and offer ipk's Aug 30 02:02:26 via file transfer Aug 30 02:02:49 yet the ops do nothing? Aug 30 02:02:55 exactly Aug 30 02:03:01 wow Aug 30 02:03:12 we need to get freenode staff in there Aug 30 02:03:16 which is why I just asked sifon187 to add it to the topic Aug 30 02:03:25 He said sure, but we'll see if it happens Aug 30 02:03:40 anyone else want to PM him or yard and see if we can get something added? Aug 30 02:03:51 or neer Aug 30 02:04:00 I'll do it Aug 30 02:04:02 WELL ARE THEY STOLEN ipk'S OR DEV IPKS Aug 30 02:04:05 oops Aug 30 02:04:22 CTLAdvance: they are IPK's that can only be obtained by purchasing them. Aug 30 02:04:39 ah yes... Aug 30 02:04:49 CTLAdvance: and they are not being offered by the devs themselves Aug 30 02:04:57 part of the issue about leaving the ipk's not compiled or encrypted Aug 30 02:05:15 I understand Aug 30 02:05:22 thats gone on forever unfortunately Aug 30 02:05:24 CTLAdvance: has nothing to do with compiled or encrypted Aug 30 02:05:29 I think Palm was going after them for a while Aug 30 02:05:46 CTLAdvance: yes, it has, but with the new influx of users, it's growing like crazy Aug 30 02:05:54 if it was in an encrypted section of the device then you couldnt steal the code Aug 30 02:06:03 would require both hardward and software levels Aug 30 02:06:11 LarrySteeze|Away: working on it :P Aug 30 02:06:18 I told this to Palm a while ago... they scoffed at the idea Aug 30 02:06:31 though it would require major changes Aug 30 02:06:31 hackers gonna hack Aug 30 02:06:50 haeffb: yes, but we don't have to put it in such a "mainstream" channel Aug 30 02:07:22 with people who aren't necessarily looking for warez...but if it's there and easy, and they're learning how to use preware anyway... Aug 30 02:07:31 true enought Aug 30 02:07:35 s/t// Aug 30 02:08:30 haeffb: pirates gonna pirate. hacking has nothing to do with pirating. Aug 30 02:09:03 someone go in there and request an ipk Aug 30 02:09:09 see if mods stop you Aug 30 02:09:17 rwhitby: yeah, them too Aug 30 02:09:30 siestacat: not a good idea Aug 30 02:09:40 siestacat: I already asked a mod to add "no pirating" to the topic Aug 30 02:09:44 and they are working on adding it Aug 30 02:09:55 lol Aug 30 02:10:01 thats not a good idea? Aug 30 02:10:01 PatrickC_TP to the rescue Aug 30 02:10:02 "working on it" Aug 30 02:10:04 easy test Aug 30 02:10:14 someone that no one knows do ask Aug 30 02:10:25 he said that the topic was very long, and it would take some time to add it Aug 30 02:10:36 so I suggested topic append :P Aug 30 02:10:47 its literally double click to change it Aug 30 02:10:49 PatrickC_TP: you have such good ideas Aug 30 02:10:54 *blink* Aug 30 02:10:57 lol Aug 30 02:10:58 lol Aug 30 02:11:13 halfhalo: depending on what client you are using Aug 30 02:11:43 so the question now will the enyo download manager work when called from a non enyo app Aug 30 02:11:44 its a freaking webforum. THE CLIENT IS THE FREAKING BROWSER. Aug 30 02:12:06 and plus, its vb, so it literally is just double click on the title when your a mod. Aug 30 02:12:21 damn it Aug 30 02:12:30 no PowerPoint app! Aug 30 02:12:49 * PatrickC_TP hesitates to suggest #webos-internals to the people who need preware help Aug 30 02:13:07 in #touchpad* Aug 30 02:13:11 ... Aug 30 02:13:17 Oh - the tablet has to be in USB update mode to appear? Aug 30 02:13:34 How does one go into USB update mode? Aug 30 02:13:59 pakl: recovery mode Aug 30 02:14:10 and power off, and then when turning on, hold volume up Aug 30 02:14:12 PatrickC_TP: point people who want preware help directly to http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 30 02:14:27 rwhitby: noted Aug 30 02:14:37 they are more asking for testing feed help Aug 30 02:14:39 PatrickC_TP: if they are not prepared to pay for that, I'm not prepared to support them unless they are going to be a webOS dev or contributor. Aug 30 02:14:40 is that in there too? Aug 30 02:14:47 point them to the wiki page. Aug 30 02:14:54 rwhitby: ok Aug 30 02:14:58 that's what I'm trying to do Aug 30 02:15:02 anyone who can't work out things from the testing wiki page are not allowed to use it Aug 30 02:15:17 point to the page, don't answer any follow-up questions. simple. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:15:47 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:16:14 2011 Aug 30 02:16:23 lots of people just linking straight to the kernel testing feed and skipping all the "you can destroy your device, don't whine if you don't get it working" stuff. It's sad :C Aug 30 02:16:35 is 3.0.3 out? Aug 30 02:16:46 SineOt: we'll fix that in a couple of weeks by changing the URL. Aug 30 02:16:47 rwhitby: oh, I know it is. It's just sad is all that somehow they ended up with Touchpads (or multiples) and I'm still trying to find even just -one- Aug 30 02:17:09 SineOt walmart Aug 30 02:17:15 rwhitby: if you do that, can I say to leave the old one up, but replace all the kernels with the stock ones? Aug 30 02:17:15 :p Aug 30 02:17:24 siestacat: in store or online? Aug 30 02:17:24 lol Aug 30 02:17:36 in store Aug 30 02:17:46 I got mije in syore Aug 30 02:17:51 2 of them Aug 30 02:17:52 SineOt: I'm thinking of putting an announcement in the feeds like I did for the palm feeds Aug 30 02:17:56 telling people to disable them Aug 30 02:17:59 siestacat: when? Aug 30 02:18:14 siestacat: all of ours have been out for a long time, no new stock in over a week :( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:18:15 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:20:15 2011 Aug 30 02:20:22 datavision is turning out to be worse than onsale Aug 30 02:20:35 siestacat: we hit up a ton of brick and mortar stores the first day and couldn't find any, so we turned to the internet Aug 30 02:20:42 at least onsale didn't string you along for a week Aug 30 02:20:47 ool Aug 30 02:21:08 Ironsight: no, they strung us along for 4 days and cancelled the order the day they said we'd have our Touchpads arriving :p Aug 30 02:21:37 I waited at the door like a puppy (or is it an otter? DERP) all day waiting for the nice FedEx man to show up :< Aug 30 02:21:44 They told us they had tracking numbers from HP, they JUST told us they don't even have that Aug 30 02:22:06 lol onsale Aug 30 02:22:20 and that they hoped by now they *would* actually have had a tracking number Aug 30 02:22:36 Ouchhh :( Aug 30 02:23:25 Damn I feel boned Aug 30 02:25:01 SineOt, PatrickC_TP, etc: I'd actually recommend that webOS devs just stay out of #touchpad. You're not going to get any benefit from that channel unless you're looking for sales leads. Aug 30 02:25:28 rwhitby: yeah, at this point it was just for sales leads since I'm still unable to find any in stock at a price I can afford Aug 30 02:25:38 but the stupidness just got way, way too much to handle Aug 30 02:25:39 Helping folks in there is not going to benefit anyone here. Any real devs will come here, and end-users already have all the doco they need in the PHD app and the testing feeds page. Aug 30 02:25:39 rwhitby: yeah, its getting kinda.. umm.. I'm just gonna leave.. Aug 30 02:25:45 that channel makes me sad Aug 30 02:25:53 How is CSS is supposed to work in Enyo? Aug 30 02:26:16 Does name map onto HTML name and then you can style it like HTML? Aug 30 02:26:22 wow.. someone just posted all the testing feeds out in the open Aug 30 02:26:24 * PatrickC_TP cries Aug 30 02:26:38 Yup. They do that a lot. Aug 30 02:26:44 And the other thing which people trying to help often fail to do is point people to the official documentation first, before answering any questions at all. Aug 30 02:26:44 so sad, people gonna take risks without knowing Aug 30 02:27:24 it's not like the feeds themselves are hard to find or secret but people should learn what they're getting into first Aug 30 02:27:33 PatrickC_TP: the risk of a WebOS Internals testing feed is far less than the official Android Market. Aug 30 02:27:43 rwhitby: I know Aug 30 02:28:01 I know that youall test everything very well before putting anything public in the feeds Aug 30 02:28:05 but still, there are risks Aug 30 02:28:24 PatrickC_TP: I think at this point you just wash your hands of it all and call it a day Aug 30 02:28:34 SineOt: yeah Aug 30 02:29:03 Wash your hands of it and look at pictures of otters on the internet all day, every day. Aug 30 02:29:06 what apps use sliding panes that are open source? Aug 30 02:29:16 SineOt: I'll pass on the otters thing :P Aug 30 02:29:46 PatrickC_TP, still having problems with that? Aug 30 02:29:53 Y'r missing out, maaaaannnn. Aug 30 02:29:58 wrea: I haven't tried since last night Aug 30 02:30:08 just trying to get a baseline that I can work off of tonight Aug 30 02:33:20 DYNAMIC NOMNOMNOM IS A GO Aug 30 02:33:55 Tibfib: what? lol Aug 30 02:34:19 wow.. communities is amazing Aug 30 02:35:04 Tibfib: its a GoGoGo Aug 30 02:35:10 Why did I have to installed the pdk onto the touchpad before I could ssh into it? Aug 30 02:35:34 now, to figure out why images don't get applied properly Aug 30 02:35:42 because you followed the wrong directions ? Aug 30 02:35:54 heh Aug 30 02:36:02 heh Aug 30 02:36:11 well they show up in teh wrong articles Aug 30 02:36:16 haeffb: When I ssh'd before, connection would just be closed. Some instructions recommended installing "pdk-device-install install", and now I can ssh. Aug 30 02:36:16 it might be chrome's caching sucking Aug 30 02:36:34 Just wondering if anyone has an explanation for why that works. Aug 30 02:36:35 oh, it wasn't about me Aug 30 02:36:37 SORRY Aug 30 02:36:45 oh. in that case, "because you followed the right directions" Aug 30 02:37:16 never trust the directions Aug 30 02:37:18 right PatrickC_TP? Aug 30 02:37:32 * haeffb has been drinking again. Ignore me. Aug 30 02:37:47 Tibfib: directions? psh.. who needs them Aug 30 02:38:14 PatrickC_TP: I use sliding panes Aug 30 02:38:24 who would be interested in a feed *like* precentral, but run by a webOS *only* site? Aug 30 02:38:29 haeffb: pondnotes? Aug 30 02:38:44 PatrickC_TP: I think so Aug 30 02:38:53 I'll have to take a look Aug 30 02:38:59 at least, that sounds familiar Aug 30 02:39:14 no, it's definitely pondNotes Aug 30 02:39:15 I have the panes set up, but can't get the second pane to display info when I click a button in the first pane Aug 30 02:39:20 lol Aug 30 02:40:00 * haeffb should do a commit. Aug 30 02:40:02 * EricBlade goddammits Aug 30 02:40:04 and push Aug 30 02:40:25 * haeffb is glad he's not EricBlade right now Aug 30 02:40:46 haeffb: lemme know when you do Aug 30 02:41:06 As far as database storage goes, what's the most secure way to store a username/password for a service? Aug 30 02:41:12 it's Ok, the sliding panes are already in there Aug 30 02:41:16 i just realized that all the work i've done today on my voice app is useless, because google voice doesn't actually tell you the date that messages are sent, so you can't reliably reload them from a database Aug 30 02:41:29 EricBlade: Ffffffffuuuuuuuu-- Aug 30 02:41:35 I've done that before :( Suckage. Aug 30 02:42:08 on a lark, i decided to drop a message into an old conversation, and it reported no change in the date on it. argh Aug 30 02:42:13 Shadyman: the KeyManager service Aug 30 02:42:45 lol I'm reading the how to kill HP in a year article from WSJ Aug 30 02:42:45 EricBlade: its still a great learning experience Aug 30 02:42:53 I can't stop laughing Aug 30 02:43:11 I would laugh too, if it didn't hurt so much. :( Aug 30 02:43:32 haeffb: yeah, an annoying one. i had my heart set on being able to easily deal with voice offline Aug 30 02:43:33 no kidding Aug 30 02:44:02 * EricBlade goes to delete all the database code :| Aug 30 02:44:21 Delete ALL the code! Aug 30 02:45:28 delete apotheker Aug 30 02:45:41 yes Aug 30 02:45:41 PatrickC_TP: on the bright side, did you get the last message i sent you? Aug 30 02:45:41 replace with someone with a clue Aug 30 02:45:52 EricBlade: nope Aug 30 02:46:01 I haven't been on gvoice in the past day or so Aug 30 02:46:04 * PatrickC_TP checks Aug 30 02:46:26 EricBlade: its because I don't have a good app to use :) Aug 30 02:46:51 well, i've got replying to existing messages and calling from the primary phone down Aug 30 02:46:55 I want to get a 32gb touchpad but I'm going to wait until the insanity dies down a bit Aug 30 02:46:58 EricBlade: a little too much encoding :) Aug 30 02:47:08 yeah i double encoded it, but i fixed that Aug 30 02:47:12 * haeffb doesn't understand Google Voice Aug 30 02:47:13 just%20a%20little%20to%20much Aug 30 02:47:19 lol Aug 30 02:47:57 EricBlade: one thing I've learned in my career is never delete anything. Aug 30 02:48:43 i have git. it remembers everything. Aug 30 02:48:56 your birthday? Aug 30 02:49:01 lol Aug 30 02:49:05 well, if i committed my birthday yes Aug 30 02:49:26 if it says good morning Eric, remember to kill it with fire Aug 30 02:49:48 and avoid opening the pod bay doors Aug 30 02:50:08 haeffb: Indeed. Just use /* */ aroundn it ;) Aug 30 02:50:09 speaking of good morning. i tried to use the touchpad as an alarm today, i was glad i set my ipod as backup, because the volume on the stock alarm program -sucks- Aug 30 02:50:09 open the pod bay doors hal... Aug 30 02:50:12 contradude don't wait too long. :) Aug 30 02:50:31 lol Aug 30 02:50:54 volume in music player sucks too2 Aug 30 02:50:57 ericblade: the padd clock program is awesome loud Aug 30 02:51:05 it made my eyes bleed Aug 30 02:51:16 you have to like startrek though Aug 30 02:51:22 at least a little Aug 30 02:51:24 EricBlade you know you can patch it to be louder Aug 30 02:51:26 lol. red alert? Aug 30 02:51:27 haeffb: So keymanager for storing keys, if I use nohide=true, I can retrieve it back later? Aug 30 02:51:30 (the whole touchpad) Aug 30 02:51:39 EdLin: i already did the patch to make the whole touchpad louder .. i wonder if that broke the alarm clock program Aug 30 02:51:58 Hm. I don't like how lists are designed. Aug 30 02:51:59 EricBlade I don't know, I used the Star Trek alarm clock. :) Aug 30 02:52:09 me too :-D Aug 30 02:52:30 all i know is my touchpad was max volume, andi could barely hear the Pantera coming out of it. the iPod was at 3/4 volume, and was just -blasting- Aug 30 02:52:46 Wish Box Sync was available for personal accounts too Aug 30 02:52:51 and y'know, if it says "Pantera" it has to be -loud- Aug 30 02:52:58 i was afraid the patch would introduce noise/clipping Aug 30 02:53:07 EricBlade the touchpad though does have better sound quality, its stereo and has beats audio. Aug 30 02:53:21 Shadyman: sadly, I haven't used keymanager myself. But I believe that's correct Aug 30 02:53:46 beats audio is just an eq, right? Aug 30 02:53:57 crazy8: Not really. Aug 30 02:54:00 crazy8 no, it also is chip design. Aug 30 02:54:03 no, it's a trademark Aug 30 02:54:07 crazy8: it's hardware+software Aug 30 02:54:13 hardware is a 2V amplifier instead of 1.5 Aug 30 02:54:13 i meant on the touchpad Aug 30 02:54:25 among other things Aug 30 02:54:29 if you turn it off, what happens to the amp? Aug 30 02:54:47 beats meand higher quality audio related components, short audio paths, etc Aug 30 02:54:51 if you turn off beats, it'd swap down to 1.5V i'd imagine Aug 30 02:55:07 lowlevel: indeed, and typically being placed on the edge of a PCB, etc, in a can, and whatnot. Aug 30 02:55:07 Shadyman: no Aug 30 02:55:08 crazy8: it magically disappears ? Aug 30 02:55:16 110V audio, ftw! Aug 30 02:55:33 Shadyman: beats hardware is permanently better quality. ethere is no way to turn the hardware part off Aug 30 02:55:41 ah, another slow news day Aug 30 02:55:51 * haeffb made the 10pm news Aug 30 02:55:53 not clear to me what turning off beats would do... Aug 30 02:56:01 s/10pm/9pm/ Aug 30 02:56:03 yayaya Aug 30 02:56:09 nomnomnom is behaving much better Aug 30 02:56:12 crazy8: http://erroraccessdenied.com/node/1690 hit the WM8958 link Aug 30 02:56:13 but, yed Aug 30 02:56:17 haeffb: do we want to know> Aug 30 02:56:18 the beats software is a software program that is designed to 'restore the lost acoustics in audio' Aug 30 02:56:23 lowlevel turning off beats will make kill a kitten. Think of the kittens! Aug 30 02:56:27 ^ Aug 30 02:56:31 basically it increases the dynamic range Aug 30 02:56:35 the mp3 player is decently loud enouh Aug 30 02:56:36 that's what it does Aug 30 02:56:37 make/make it/ Aug 30 02:56:38 the alarm clock not so much Aug 30 02:56:40 yes, i did see it could be turned off Aug 30 02:56:40 it's not really an equalizer Aug 30 02:56:51 yes, that's the ---software part of beats Aug 30 02:56:57 the hardware part ...........is hardware Aug 30 02:56:57 nod Aug 30 02:57:04 better hardware is always better Aug 30 02:57:11 you can't just turn hardware off Aug 30 02:57:14 yo dawg.. we heard you like hardware Aug 30 02:57:24 turning off beats audio will make it turn into an iPad! Don't do it! Aug 30 02:57:30 well...for me the audio sounds the same even if the beats audio settings turned off Aug 30 02:57:37 EdLin: again, no Aug 30 02:57:38 at least to my ears Aug 30 02:57:40 pretty sure the hardware portion is all i care about Aug 30 02:57:40 crazy8: depends what you're listening to Aug 30 02:57:53 PatrickC_TP: it's all legit Aug 30 02:57:55 fxspec06_ you sure about that? ;-) Aug 30 02:58:06 turning off beats audio just means you're turning off the software part. YOU STILL AHVE TEH BETTER HARDWARE THAN THE IPAD Aug 30 02:58:10 yes, i am 100% sure Aug 30 02:58:19 these are not fallacies Aug 30 02:58:23 http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM8958/ Aug 30 02:58:26 lol Aug 30 02:58:34 fxspec06_ SDNWOTN Aug 30 02:58:37 well ipads lighter and faster Aug 30 02:58:39 heh Aug 30 02:58:44 NO MATTER WHAT, the TouchPad has better audio chip than the iPad Aug 30 02:58:47 ^ Aug 30 02:58:52 And webOS ;) Aug 30 02:59:00 lowlevel only the iPad 2, the iPad 1 is the same weight and dimensions as the touchpad. Aug 30 02:59:10 also it has dedicated grounded channels Aug 30 02:59:13 and worse CPU Aug 30 02:59:29 yeah.. I meant ipad2 Aug 30 02:59:42 the volume on the earphone jack was disappointing, but it may be because i was using my ipod headphones because that's all i have Aug 30 02:59:44 since its the current ipad Aug 30 02:59:54 somehow the original iPad was "magical" and when HP comes out with something with the same weight, it's "too heavy" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:57 2011