**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 31 02:59:57 2011
Aug 31 03:01:36 <rwatkins> Foo.prototype.instance.kindName
Aug 31 03:02:24 <rwatkins> Chrome Developer Tools are your friend.
Aug 31 03:02:43 <PatrickC_TP> wow.. that's a lot of code
Aug 31 03:04:00 <rwatkins> my, now two, negative reviews are both "only supports paid subscriptions"
Aug 31 03:04:04 <rwatkins> second line of app description?
Aug 31 03:04:28 <rwatkins> "Paper mache requred a paid $1/month subscription to the Instapaper service - does not work with a free Instapaper account".
Aug 31 03:04:37 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 31 03:04:53 <rwatkins> Kindle - "1 star - requires you pay for the books".
Aug 31 03:06:22 <EricBlade> ok, well, i set explicitly what it is, so now i know.  now, how would one go about removing the borders between items in a virtualrepeater ... hmm..
Aug 31 03:07:21 <EricBlade> also, what does the "accelerated" property in virtual repeaters do?  nice of them to tell us what all the properties are, but it'd be nicer if we knew what they were for :D
Aug 31 03:08:03 <rwatkins> api docs are auto generated so often .. lacking.  "use the source luke!"
Aug 31 03:08:24 <onr> is HP making more touchpads?
Aug 31 03:08:36 <PatrickC_TP> argh.. why does everything have to be difficult :P
Aug 31 03:09:39 <PatrickC_TP> I think I found a way :)
Aug 31 03:10:06 <PatrickC_TP> nope.. cheating doesn't work...
Aug 31 03:10:16 <halfhalo> it does for me!
Aug 31 03:10:21 <sampson> can the pre 2 send texts to the touchpad?
Aug 31 03:10:24 <CTLAdvance|2> Has anyone here implemented a node service
Aug 31 03:10:27 <PatrickC_TP> halfhalo: cheat for me then
Aug 31 03:10:31 <PatrickC_TP> NuttyBunny did
Aug 31 03:10:33 * halfhalo runs away from node services
Aug 31 03:10:35 <PatrickC_TP> sampson: no
Aug 31 03:10:45 <sampson> boo
Aug 31 03:10:51 * PatrickC_TP thinks this app uses them, but doesn't know lol
Aug 31 03:10:57 <sampson> i saw some rumor about a software update fixing that.. guess it never came out?
Aug 31 03:11:09 <ziplock503> how long does it take preware to install on the TP it has been installing for a couple minutes now ...
Aug 31 03:11:11 <PatrickC_TP> not yet
Aug 31 03:11:16 <halfhalo> sampson: 2.2 has it, which isn't out for veer/pre2
Aug 31 03:11:22 <sampson> gotcha
Aug 31 03:11:23 <PatrickC_TP> ziplock503: usually pretty fast..
Aug 31 03:11:24 <PatrickC_TP> for me
Aug 31 03:11:31 <ziplock503> k ill cancel and re try
Aug 31 03:12:37 * halfhalo is tempted to get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173012 as a dev box
Aug 31 03:13:05 <PatrickC_TP> I think I found my issue.. lets see
Aug 31 03:13:19 <PatrickC_TP> YES!!!!!!
Aug 31 03:13:24 <rwatkins> buy an SSD insted.  best perf improvemnt I've ever made to my PC.
Aug 31 03:13:35 <rwatkins> ever.  in 20 yrs.
Aug 31 03:13:50 <PatrickC_TP> ok.. now that I have that working, now to fix my panes..
Aug 31 03:13:59 <CTLAdvance|2> does something need to be done to make the touchpad discoverable
Aug 31 03:14:04 <CTLAdvance|2> other than turn on bluetooth
Aug 31 03:14:13 <halfhalo> bah, ssd
Aug 31 03:15:08 <PatrickC_TP> anyone worked with sliding panes?
Aug 31 03:15:16 <NuttyBunny> I did what?
Aug 31 03:15:20 <PatrickC_TP> CTLAdvance|2: I've never gotten my TP to become discoverable
Aug 31 03:15:23 <PatrickC_TP> did a node service
Aug 31 03:15:27 <NuttyBunny> CTLAdvance|2: node service, yes
Aug 31 03:15:30 <halfhalo> actually… what I _really_ need is an active directory server.  then I can make the desktop a dev server
Aug 31 03:17:30 <CTLAdvance|2> so what is the process to getting this to sync with a non webOS device
Aug 31 03:17:35 <CTLAdvance|2> does it need to be patched
Aug 31 03:17:36 <CTLAdvance|2> ?
Aug 31 03:21:20 <ziplock503> just had to update my WOSQI to 4.2.3 was using 4.0.4 before
Aug 31 03:21:33 <ziplock503> preware installed fine after that
Aug 31 03:22:07 <PatrickC_TP> cool
Aug 31 03:22:27 * PatrickC_TP thinks this will be harder then he thought
Aug 31 03:25:37 <rwatkins> so .. any bets on if the next issue of Pivot comes out on Thursday?
Aug 31 03:26:28 <CTLAdvance|2> ugh, so we cant pass a local 64bit png file to the download manager to save
Aug 31 03:26:30 <CTLAdvance|2> :/
Aug 31 03:26:36 <CTLAdvance|2> node it is I guess
Aug 31 03:31:24 <dwc-> rwatkins: any idea if you can pull up old versions?
Aug 31 03:31:35 <dwc-> hrm, UPS still has my touchstone dock 'out for delivery'
Aug 31 03:31:37 <CTLAdvance|2> I guess I need to breakdown and install preware
Aug 31 03:31:50 <CTLAdvance|2> is tide in the catalog or preware only
Aug 31 03:31:58 <dwc-> preware/testing
Aug 31 03:32:39 <rwatkins> dwc-: no, I dont think so.  I think the content is in the app itself, and I have copied off this months version of the app.
Aug 31 03:32:49 <rwatkins> I dont think I have a copy of the first month code though.
Aug 31 03:32:54 <dwc-> oh, it's hardcoded into the app...
Aug 31 03:33:26 <rwatkins> I'm pretty sure it is, but havent checked closely
Aug 31 03:33:27 <dwc-> maybe the first month's is in the doctor then
Aug 31 03:33:50 <rwatkins> I think the app originally shipped w/o Pivot at all
Aug 31 03:34:08 <rwatkins> then updated to include Pivot, then got updated again when the next month came out.
Aug 31 03:34:25 <dwc-> yea, I was hoping maybe it'd be in the 3.0.2 doctor
Aug 31 03:34:32 <dwc-> kinda curious what was in it
Aug 31 03:34:44 <dwc-> it's a shame to have the work that goes into making that snazzy pub disappear after a month
Aug 31 03:35:43 <Shadyman|TP> roar!
Aug 31 03:35:45 <rwatkins> ya, its a nice feature.
Aug 31 03:43:20 <CTLAdvance|2> so why wont my JS file recognize IMPORTS
Aug 31 03:43:27 <CTLAdvance|2> part of a service function
Aug 31 03:43:39 <CTLAdvance|2> Does something special need to be done
Aug 31 03:43:47 <rwatkins> woot, its production release night.  submitting v1.1.0 to the app catalog
Aug 31 03:47:29 <PatrickC_TP> rwatkins: of paper (I can't spell to save my live word)?  :)
Aug 31 03:47:58 <rwatkins> ya, Paper Mache, though the spelling is debateable.
Aug 31 03:48:22 <PatrickC_TP> I thought that was how you spelled it
Aug 31 03:48:28 <PatrickC_TP> but the touchpad told me it was wrong lol
Aug 31 03:48:54 <rwatkins> Papier Mache, or if you wanna get really french you nee dhte accented chars.
Aug 31 03:49:05 <rwatkins> Papier-mâché
Aug 31 03:49:59 <PatrickC_TP> it doesn't like that either lol
Aug 31 03:50:50 <PatrickC_TP> man... I wish I knew JS like some people in here
Aug 31 03:51:05 <EricBlade> PatrickC_TP: yeah me too. you and i both
Aug 31 03:51:24 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 31 03:51:52 <CTLAdvance|2> Agh
Aug 31 03:51:59 <EricBlade> still coming up with a blank on how to remove the divider lines between items in a virt repeater :(
Aug 31 03:52:06 <PatrickC_TP> I should just hire rwatkins to do all my coding
Aug 31 03:52:15 <rwatkins> I dont come cheap.
Aug 31 03:52:30 <EricBlade> i do, but the end result will take much longer to get there. :D
Aug 31 03:53:21 <PatrickC_TP> rwatkins: $2/hr? :)
Aug 31 03:53:43 <rwatkins> EricBlade: dont know if repeater requires items - maybe just use VFlexBoxes or whatever instead to remove styling.
Aug 31 03:54:04 <rwatkins> Or just use css to set the border or whatever is styling it to 0 or none.
Aug 31 03:54:39 <rwatkins> PatrickC_TP: your missing some zeros
Aug 31 03:55:18 <PatrickC_TP> hmm.. $2.00?
Aug 31 03:55:20 <PatrickC_TP> :0
Aug 31 03:55:23 <PatrickC_TP> ;) *
Aug 31 03:55:24 <rwatkins> heh
Aug 31 03:57:06 <PatrickC_TP> fxspec06: nice icon
Aug 31 03:58:33 <PatrickC_TP> hmm.. I have an idea, and it would be much easier to do then what I am currently doing...
Aug 31 03:58:38 <PatrickC_TP> but not sure if I should do it
Aug 31 04:09:04 <PatrickC_TP> I'm going to bed, night all
Aug 31 04:12:36 <PatrickC_TP> fxspec06, Tibfib_, NuttyBunny, summatusmentis, matbee: check your inbox, important email.
Aug 31 04:13:18 <dawm|laptop> not me?
Aug 31 04:13:22 <dawm|laptop> man f u
Aug 31 04:13:28 <dwc-> hmm... 9:08pm. UPS finally shows
Aug 31 04:13:43 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: I don't think you ever joined my beta program? did you?
Aug 31 04:13:46 <PatrickC_TP> if you want, I can add you
Aug 31 04:13:53 <dawm|laptop> would be fair
Aug 31 04:13:54 <PatrickC_TP> because you will be sending me Ailium soon :)
Aug 31 04:13:55 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 31 04:14:02 <dawm|laptop> i need to find time but yes
Aug 31 04:14:12 <PatrickC_TP> I don't have your email.. hmm
Aug 31 04:14:14 <PatrickC_TP> PM me
Aug 31 04:14:16 <dawm|laptop> yes you do
Aug 31 04:14:21 <dawm|laptop> ive sent you ailium before
Aug 31 04:14:42 <n8o> so how has everyone's sales/downloads been since the TP price drop?
Aug 31 04:15:07 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: I don't show the ailium emails anymore.. idk why
Aug 31 04:15:19 <dawm|laptop> biocandy -at- gmail
Aug 31 04:15:56 * PatrickC_TP hasn't checked the download numbers in a while
Aug 31 04:15:58 <PatrickC_TP> I'll check now
Aug 31 04:16:04 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: adding you to the beta now
Aug 31 04:16:04 <dawm|laptop> wtf
Aug 31 04:16:06 <dawm|laptop> ok
Aug 31 04:16:10 <wrea> 1 download :P
Aug 31 04:16:17 <dawm|laptop> its been a week
Aug 31 04:16:24 <dawm|laptop> and my meta-update is still ready for review
Aug 31 04:16:51 <CTLAdvance|2> ok so I have created my app with two directories
Aug 31 04:16:59 <CTLAdvance|2> how do I tell webOS to package them :)
Aug 31 04:17:06 <PatrickC_TP> eh.. download numbers aren't that good for me
Aug 31 04:17:07 <CTLAdvance|2> er.. palm-package
Aug 31 04:17:18 <azakus> EricBlade: why do you need to use items, but not want the lines?
Aug 31 04:17:25 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: added, will fwd you the major emails
Aug 31 04:17:25 <dawm|laptop> ive only had 2 purchases
Aug 31 04:17:33 <dawm|laptop> since the drop
Aug 31 04:17:40 <wrea> whats you app?
Aug 31 04:17:43 <dawm|laptop> but a shit ton of redownloads
Aug 31 04:17:54 <dawm|laptop> swap&drop
Aug 31 04:17:59 <PatrickC_TP> wrea: mine are Just a Flashlight Plus and Fog Horn
Aug 31 04:18:04 <PatrickC_TP> (crappy apps, I know)
Aug 31 04:18:04 <dawm|laptop> its not touchpad compat (runs in phone card mode)
Aug 31 04:18:10 <n8o> ah, thanks all
Aug 31 04:18:21 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: so do all mine
Aug 31 04:18:27 <n8o> I was about half through porting one of my iOS apps, reconsidered in light of HP's changes
Aug 31 04:18:29 <dawm|laptop> but i updated for AU and NZ
Aug 31 04:18:40 <dawm|laptop> and idiot hp hasnt cleared it
Aug 31 04:18:51 <dawm|laptop> the trial got updated the next day
Aug 31 04:18:54 <dawm|laptop> the pay is stuck
Aug 31 04:19:55 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: fwd'ing emails now
Aug 31 04:20:01 <PatrickC_TP> you should start to see them come in soon
Aug 31 04:20:02 <rwatkins> app downloads went up 20x with the sale, now back down to about 10x the last couple days.
Aug 31 04:21:41 <dawm|laptop> k
Aug 31 04:21:53 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: relevant emails have been fwd'd and you have been added to the mailing list
Aug 31 04:22:02 <PatrickC_TP> do you have a TP?
Aug 31 04:22:53 <dawm|tp> nope
Aug 31 04:22:54 <PatrickC_TP> I guess that's a yes
Aug 31 04:22:57 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 31 04:23:13 <dawm|laptop> i told you ailium runs great on it
Aug 31 04:23:18 <PatrickC_TP> ok, I'm working on the Enyo to make it have panes and local file playback
Aug 31 04:23:21 <dawm|laptop> just not proper res
Aug 31 04:23:25 <CTLAdvance|2> ok anyone know what they do to push params to their service
Aug 31 04:23:27 <PatrickC_TP> yeah, but you could have also been using the emu :)
Aug 31 04:23:34 <dawm|laptop> emu doesnt rotate
Aug 31 04:23:40 <PatrickC_TP> yeah it does
Aug 31 04:23:44 <CTLAdvance|2> NuttyBunny: You around some where
Aug 31 04:23:47 <dawm|laptop> well
Aug 31 04:23:51 <dawm|laptop> doesnt rotate on my monitor
Aug 31 04:23:54 <PatrickC_TP> its like F5-F8 IIRC
Aug 31 04:23:55 <dawm|laptop> the window that is
Aug 31 04:24:02 <dawm|laptop> no thats rotate inside the emu
Aug 31 04:24:09 <dawm|laptop> the emu itself doesnt
Aug 31 04:24:23 <dawm|laptop> hell the emu is too big for my macbook heh
Aug 31 04:24:25 <dawm|laptop> stupid!
Aug 31 04:24:28 <NuttyBunny> CTLAdvance|2, yes
Aug 31 04:24:44 <CTLAdvance|2> Could I ask you a few questions on Node
Aug 31 04:24:46 <dawm|laptop> i have to use that hack to resize the window
Aug 31 04:24:55 <CTLAdvance|2> Pat says you are the man to ask :)
Aug 31 04:24:59 <dawm|laptop> that ppl use on the mini netbooks hackintosh's
Aug 31 04:25:13 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 31 04:25:24 <PatrickC_TP> CTLAdvance|2: cause he is :)
Aug 31 04:25:26 <dawm|laptop> http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/More-TouchPads-on-the-Way/ba-p/68749
Aug 31 04:25:31 <dawm|laptop> incase anyone missed it
Aug 31 04:25:32 <PatrickC_TP> NuttyBunny is da bomb
Aug 31 04:25:41 <CTLAdvance|2> blow it up...
Aug 31 04:25:44 <NuttyBunny> call me fat, you know :P
Aug 31 04:25:50 <CTLAdvance|2> heh
Aug 31 04:25:55 <PatrickC_TP> I saw the gizmodo article
Aug 31 04:25:57 <PatrickC_TP> haha
Aug 31 04:26:10 <PatrickC_TP> dawm|laptop: get the mails?
Aug 31 04:26:14 <CTLAdvance|2> NuttyBunny - Have you implemented node outside of a mojo/enyo app
Aug 31 04:26:15 <dawm|laptop> yes
Aug 31 04:27:19 <kesne> Hey guys!
Aug 31 04:27:46 <dawm|laptop> amber lamps
Aug 31 04:28:00 <PatrickC_TP> kesne: yo
Aug 31 04:34:28 <dawm|tp> hfdufjdjfjjdjssisid
Aug 31 04:34:41 <CTLAdvance|2> KASNE!
Aug 31 04:35:11 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 31 04:35:46 <PatrickC_TP> ok, well I have an answer back from one of my users, and just waiting for an answer back from the rest..
Aug 31 04:36:07 <PatrickC_TP> I have a professional app icon for one of my apps now ready for use..
Aug 31 04:36:16 <PatrickC_TP> and now I'm really going to bed :)
Aug 31 04:36:22 <kesne> CTLAdvance|2:
Aug 31 04:39:06 * PatrickC_TP 's love for Villo grows every day :)
Aug 31 04:41:16 <rwatkins> hm, just doctored and got the July Pivot
Aug 31 04:41:33 <rwatkins> well the OTA update that is, but ya.
Aug 31 04:42:24 <halfhalo> crap.
Aug 31 04:42:30 <halfhalo> lost my sim card
Aug 31 04:42:54 <PatrickC_TP> halfhalo: that's never good
Aug 31 04:43:25 <halfhalo> Its in a phone, I'm just not sure which one right now
Aug 31 04:44:16 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Aug 31 04:46:18 <dkirker> halfhalo: call it?
Aug 31 04:46:30 <dkirker> hi kesne!
Aug 31 04:46:44 <kesne> Heya!
Aug 31 04:46:57 <halfhalo> dkirker: wont help.  whatever phone its in atm didn't pick it up when i hotswapped it in
Aug 31 04:47:05 <dkirker> heh
Aug 31 04:47:10 <dkirker> ooopsie :P
Aug 31 04:47:13 <halfhalo> time to reboot them all!
Aug 31 04:47:47 <PatrickC_TP> halfhalo: how many??
Aug 31 04:48:05 <dkirker> OVER 9000!!!!!
Aug 31 04:48:05 <kesne> I want a Segway
Aug 31 04:48:15 <halfhalo> umm…. 4 pre2's, two veers, a winphone, and two others
Aug 31 04:48:37 <dkirker> Well, you have my beat on Pre2 phones
Aug 31 04:48:54 <kesne> Hmm
Aug 31 04:49:08 <kesne> should I pay an extra 1000 bucks to get a colored segway?
Aug 31 04:49:33 <halfhalo> dkirker: I'm owed another.  The _day_ my internship ended I found out my work pre2 order got shot down with them basically saying "why the hell do you need this after the firesale?"
Aug 31 04:50:26 * halfhalo grumbles
Aug 31 04:50:29 <dkirker> heh
Aug 31 04:51:27 * halfhalo would trade his pre2's for a pre3 on att
Aug 31 04:54:42 * PatrickC_TP would trade his pre2's and pre-'s/+'s for a pre2 on sprint natively 
Aug 31 04:55:06 <halfhalo> hah
Aug 31 05:00:22 <kesne> Nobody has comments?
Aug 31 05:01:09 <PatrickC_TP> kesne: only do it if it helps with Villo :)
Aug 31 05:01:21 <kesne> PatrickC_TP: My Segway helps with Villo
Aug 31 05:01:39 <PatrickC_TP> then buy it! :P
Aug 31 05:06:01 <dwc-> halfhalo: internship's over, back to socal?
Aug 31 05:06:21 <halfhalo> internship ended last thurs, and yeah, back in wonderful socal
Aug 31 05:06:46 <dwc-> last thurs... so was it you who cleaned out the palm store of pre2s?
Aug 31 05:07:07 <dwc-> the guy *did* say the rest of them were shipped to LA...
Aug 31 05:07:18 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 05:08:09 <dwc-> (I was heading back to try to pick up 2 more)
Aug 31 05:08:28 <halfhalo> hah
Aug 31 05:08:47 <dwc-> I'd already picked up... 6.
Aug 31 05:09:12 <dwc-> after thursday, I'll be down to just one that hasn't made it to its new owner
Aug 31 05:10:24 <AndrewX192> Is it possible to tether the HP TouchPad to another device -eg N900?
Aug 31 05:17:24 <AndrewX192> (Not via wifi - bluetooth?)
Aug 31 05:59:07 <Necrosan[c]> dont think so AndrewX192
Aug 31 06:07:18 <CTLAdvance|2> anyone know how to manually run a service
Aug 31 06:07:21 <CTLAdvance|2> node
Aug 31 06:09:41 <kesne> CTLAdvance|2: Google does
Aug 31 06:09:52 <CTLAdvance|2> apparently not
Aug 31 06:10:03 <CTLAdvance|2> Something I am missing
Aug 31 06:10:13 <CTLAdvance|2> I am getting invalid service path
Aug 31 06:10:14 <CTLAdvance|2> error
Aug 31 06:12:35 <kesne> uhm
Aug 31 06:12:37 * kesne hides
Aug 31 06:13:46 <CTLAdvance|2> interesting
Aug 31 06:14:07 <CTLAdvance|2> now I get /dev/logdir/log file already exists
Aug 31 06:14:12 <CTLAdvance|2> then it tells me that it gives up
Aug 31 06:14:15 <CTLAdvance|2> wow
Aug 31 06:14:17 <CTLAdvance|2> ...
Aug 31 06:16:23 <CTLAdvance|2> Kesne, you seem to have some node exp
Aug 31 06:16:30 <CTLAdvance|2> any thoughts
Aug 31 06:16:33 <kesne> CTLAdvance|2: Based on what?
Aug 31 06:16:49 <CTLAdvance|2> Based on how much you talk about node :)
Aug 31 06:17:05 <kesne> I like never talk about it
Aug 31 06:17:13 <CTLAdvance> ok
Aug 31 06:19:01 <kesne> CTLAdvance: but
Aug 31 06:19:04 <kesne> I have some experience
Aug 31 06:19:10 <kesne> I've never run them outside of apps though
Aug 31 06:20:38 <kesne> I have a i/o service written
Aug 31 06:21:34 <CTLAdvance> well I am trying to get anything to run here... but I cant seem to start the app
Aug 31 06:21:45 <CTLAdvance> start the service to test it
Aug 31 06:22:03 <kesne> make a 2.0 package specced app.
Aug 31 06:22:09 <kesne> The app launches the service
Aug 31 06:22:13 <kesne> and returns something
Aug 31 06:22:15 <kesne> tada!
Aug 31 06:28:38 <CTLAdvance> in your app how are you calling your service
Aug 31 06:29:02 <CTLAdvance> through enyo
Aug 31 06:38:58 <klausa> [4
Aug 31 06:39:06 <klausa> Whoops.
Aug 31 06:47:30 <boltR> is MPEG4 and H.264 the only video formats supported on the tp?
Aug 31 06:50:42 <kesne> CTLAdvance: You still here?
Aug 31 06:50:46 <CTLAdvance> yep
Aug 31 06:50:48 <kesne> CTLAdvance: I got distracted
Aug 31 06:50:54 <kesne> CTLAdvance: Next time, ping me :P
Aug 31 06:50:58 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 31 06:51:31 <kesne> {kind: enyo.PalmService, name: "photoService", service: "palm://net.keenstudios.touchpadcamera.service/", method: "getPhotoList", onSuccess: "providePhotos"},
Aug 31 06:51:34 <kesne> CTLAdvance: ^^
Aug 31 06:51:41 <dwc-> boltR: natively, yes
Aug 31 06:51:49 <CTLAdvance> hmm ok
Aug 31 06:52:02 <CTLAdvance> My app is not Enyo nor Mojo
Aug 31 06:52:06 <CTLAdvance> I wonder if I can call this
Aug 31 06:52:07 <boltR> dwc-: are there additional codecs that can be obtained via preware?
Aug 31 06:52:26 <kesne> You can
Aug 31 07:09:51 <CTLAdvance> ok I just manually tested my service successfully
Aug 31 07:09:57 <CTLAdvance> now let me try and call this using enyo
Aug 31 07:10:07 <CTLAdvance> but wait
Aug 31 07:10:13 <CTLAdvance> in a standard js function
Aug 31 07:10:24 <CTLAdvance> how would I call your enyo service call
Aug 31 07:27:59 <CTLAdvance> wow this was messed up
Aug 31 07:28:12 <CTLAdvance> Finally got it to work properly
Aug 31 07:28:45 <CTLAdvance> Now to move forward with NODE... MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Aug 31 07:28:53 <CTLAdvance> after I go to sleep
Aug 31 07:40:41 <EricBlade> wow the app store had a shitton of updates today
Aug 31 07:41:17 <EricBlade> all the screenshots are rotated 90deg tho
Aug 31 07:44:53 <ziplock503-TP> anyone know why the f15 kernel is not showing any profiles in govnah?
Aug 31 07:55:26 <Freman> honey I’m home!
Aug 31 07:56:51 <dwc-> anyone paired the HP touchpad keyboard with a phone? it asks for a pin and it's not 1111 or 1234 and I don't feel like exhaustively searching
Aug 31 07:57:23 <Freman> 0000?
Aug 31 08:05:36 <dwc-> nope
Aug 31 08:07:09 <dwc-> ah-ha. you set it, and then you type it into the keyboard and hit enter
Aug 31 08:10:14 <dwc-> most of the funcions don't work on the pre2
Aug 31 08:10:19 <dwc-> outside of typing
Aug 31 08:28:17 <EricBlade> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/swindled-by-wooden-ipad-859632
Aug 31 08:28:26 <Freman> someone write a better calculator for the touchpad :(
Aug 31 08:35:54 <dwc-> she probably would have been more upset if she'd ended up with a touchpad ;)
Aug 31 08:39:22 <hotdp> Freman there are some`
Aug 31 08:40:37 <Freman> wern’t any in the aussie catalog when I looked... but that was a week ago
Aug 31 08:42:23 <hotdp> there is a advanced one in mine
Aug 31 09:13:58 <Freman> hmmmmm my local HN aren’t convinced they’re getting any accessories any more - they never had accessories...
Aug 31 09:14:48 <Freman> no touchstone for me
Aug 31 09:14:53 <Freman> :’(
Aug 31 09:18:47 <Freman> “FREE SHIPPING” - $36.59 - well... now I know you’re american
Aug 31 09:19:35 <pc-world> anyone know how to properly display a list in Mojo with variable item heights?
Aug 31 09:19:52 <pc-world> I'm not using a widget, just divs with css-classes applied
Aug 31 09:20:06 <pc-world> (data is static, in a help scene)
Aug 31 09:20:47 <pc-world> the HTML code I've tried with: http://pastebin.com/KwegZGTH
Aug 31 09:21:01 <pc-world> result is pretty strange, especially when tapping on an item: http://h3.abload.de/img/beta_2011-30-08_154842sfl6.png
Aug 31 09:21:03 <pc-world> any suggestions?
Aug 31 09:52:45 <Freman> cpu fan on thsi laptop is pooped
Aug 31 10:48:44 <Hendikins> http://whrl.pl/RcTjPD <-- Heh, people trying to use webOS gestures on their fruity products.
Aug 31 11:02:02 <LordBrain> 08-31 06:56:59.541: WARN/ActivityManager(1296): Unable to launch app de.vogella.android.widget.example/10129 for broadcast Intent { act=android.appwidget.action.APPWIDGET_UPDATE cmp=de.vogella.android.widget.example/.MyWidgetProvider (has extras) }: process is bad
Aug 31 11:02:14 <LordBrain> process is bad..
Aug 31 11:02:19 <LordBrain> heh
Aug 31 11:02:28 <LordBrain> that's a matter of opinion
Aug 31 11:03:58 <Tptg> webos gestjres and blackberry playbook are very similar ;-)
Aug 31 11:08:26 <Freman> I gesture on my netbook :(
Aug 31 11:40:34 <EricBlade> morning guys.. any suggestions for ways to debug behaviours that only go wrong when on an actual mobile device?
Aug 31 11:41:32 <zomg> add logging or try attaching to the webkit console
Aug 31 11:42:30 <EricBlade> most of my logs don't end up going anywhere, from what i can see.. at least, palm-logs isn't giving them to me, unless they come from something that has stopped execution
Aug 31 11:44:06 <EricBlade> it's a fun time here, i've got 2 bugs that only occur on device, and 1 bug that only occurs on chrome
Aug 31 11:46:24 <EricBlade> on device, i can't access any images from google, and i can't access a particular url format from one of my WebService things.  on Chrome, calling functions to get a Dashboard up, brings up a dashboard, then halts execution
Aug 31 11:55:43 <Freman> try safari?
Aug 31 11:55:54 <Freman> I’ve heared it behaves differently
Aug 31 12:10:02 <zomg> EricBlade: you could adding a logging UI into the app itself
Aug 31 12:10:10 <zomg> at least then you should be able to see them =)
Aug 31 13:12:03 <fxspec06> wow. you've got to be kidding me
Aug 31 13:12:04 <momo__> 。。。。。。。。。。。。
Aug 31 13:12:27 <fxspec06> one of my 3 classes this fall
Aug 31 13:12:48 <fxspec06> uses a book that's called "BUNDLE MICROSOFT OFFICE 2010 INTRO"
Aug 31 13:12:52 <fxspec06> >.>
Aug 31 13:13:17 <Khaytsus> That's what you get for taking "business" classes.
Aug 31 13:13:20 * fxspec06 shoots himself in the head
Aug 31 13:13:35 <Khaytsus> Both "business" classes I had to take were basically "how to copy and paste in word"
Aug 31 13:13:43 <fxspec06> its' for comp info systems associates degree
Aug 31 13:14:09 <fxspec06> first classes. my other ones are 'ebusiness law and ethics' which i cant find the book
Aug 31 13:14:30 <fxspec06> and the other class 105 uses book called "NEW PERSPECTIVES COMPUTER CONCEPTS 2012"
Aug 31 13:15:07 <fxspec06> oh well. it'll be a good excuse to bring my tablet / laptop to class i guess
Aug 31 13:16:48 <fxspec06> yay i can buy my books on kindle too! for the same ridiculous price
Aug 31 13:23:46 <plov> whoa lol
Aug 31 13:24:06 <plov> whats with people writing entire essays for a amazon.com review
Aug 31 13:30:44 <fxspec06> lol link
Aug 31 13:44:14 * loic_m happy with its pre3 :)
Aug 31 13:48:27 * hotdp would like a pre3
Aug 31 13:52:43 * fxspec06 would like pre3 to come to U.S.A.
Aug 31 14:04:02 <matbee> doot
Aug 31 14:04:25 <fxspec06> loot
Aug 31 14:04:47 <matbee> i went through 3 years of college with only buying one book
Aug 31 14:04:53 <matbee> and that was split with 3 classmates
Aug 31 14:13:47 <fxspec06> lol, i more than likely don't need the books..
Aug 31 14:38:32 <matbee> honestly dont buy them until you need them
Aug 31 14:38:35 <matbee> thats what i would do
Aug 31 14:39:02 <matbee> yay for systems analysts
Aug 31 14:39:10 <matbee> now im just a f/t developer
Aug 31 14:39:40 <dgarbs> i wish someone would find a way to horizontally lock scrolling
Aug 31 14:42:31 <nohorse> you can lock the scrolling
Aug 31 14:47:17 <dgarbs> nohorse: how?
Aug 31 14:51:29 <dgarbs> for the default browser
Aug 31 14:51:35 <dgarbs> or are we talking within an app?
Aug 31 14:51:43 <dgarbs> I'm speaking to the former
Aug 31 14:56:16 <dgarbs> that's for an app though, what about the browser
Aug 31 14:56:23 <dgarbs> i thought maybe you had a patch or something
Aug 31 14:57:13 <dgarbs> do you have a touchpad?
Aug 31 14:58:10 <dgarbs> i know, and i appreciate you taking the time to look that up
Aug 31 14:58:15 <dgarbs> i should have been more clear
Aug 31 14:58:22 <dgarbs> i forget that this is mainly a dev channel
Aug 31 15:00:03 <fxspec06> i have a game that i ported, and it runs fine. nothing wrong with the game. BUT. it's causing luna restarts on the touchpad. and not in the emulator. what could be wrong
Aug 31 15:00:16 <fxspec06> or how can i go about finding what's wrong
Aug 31 15:04:45 <dgarbs> logs?
Aug 31 15:07:45 <robotx> too less memory granted for the game ?
Aug 31 15:08:49 <fxspec06> i'm reading the LJ logs now trying to make sense of it
Aug 31 15:09:01 <fxspec06> i've tried granting 100mb of memor
Aug 31 15:09:01 <robotx> (if it's pdk only)
Aug 31 15:09:10 <fxspec06> it's a javascript pacman game.
Aug 31 15:09:47 <NuttyBunny> ... that crashes luna? weird!
Aug 31 15:09:52 <fxspec06> yeah
Aug 31 15:10:39 <fxspec06> i see a bunch of Uer.Warnings in a row
Aug 31 15:11:03 <fxspec06> from right before the crash i believe
Aug 31 15:11:36 <fxspec06> the last error is right here looks like
Aug 31 15:12:05 <fxspec06> User.Crit: 307 (node_spawner) PJSON src/pjson_c/jobject.c:1886 :: Trying to access 0 as a number
Aug 31 15:12:21 <fxspec06> followed by: User.Emerg: changing scan rate to 30hz
Aug 31 15:12:32 <fxspec06> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^that line is the luna crash
Aug 31 15:13:34 <fxspec06> http://pastebin.com/iD8TnrKW
Aug 31 15:16:53 <fxspec06> virtual void WebAppManager::onMessageReceived(const PlpcMessage&272). Failed to find app with key: 54722596 msgType = 0x2027
Aug 31 15:16:58 <fxspec06> what does this mean -.-
Aug 31 15:17:15 <fxspec06> AddNewFinger: Finger count: 9100 !!
Aug 31 15:23:53 <fxspec06> it crashes immediately if lumberjack is open when i start the game
Aug 31 15:26:17 <dawm|laptop> http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/sprint-bumps-early-termination-fee-to-350-wants-to-play-with-t/
Aug 31 15:26:29 <dawm|laptop> thank goodness im no longer under contract ;p
Aug 31 15:27:30 <Bmyers> been pretty happy w spint
Aug 31 15:31:34 <fxspec06> correction: HERE is the log. from app start to app crash to luna reboot. it's not even big. it does look like a memory issue. but i can't figure out WHY.. or what to do to fix it... http://pastebin.com/TR3XFdWj
Aug 31 15:31:39 <sugardave> except for that whole "no webOS phones" thing for the last 2 years :/
Aug 31 15:31:49 <halfhalo> yeah
Aug 31 15:31:52 <halfhalo> bastids
Aug 31 15:32:07 <halfhalo> wait.... I never got service with them in the first place...
Aug 31 15:32:12 <halfhalo> double bastids!
Aug 31 15:32:31 <sugardave> I'm pretty surprised at how well AT&T 4G covers my house
Aug 31 15:33:28 <halfhalo> not really sure where I get 4g, my sim only shows the 3g logo everywhere
Aug 31 15:33:54 <sugardave> H+ ftw
Aug 31 15:34:15 <sugardave> 1-on-1 meeting with my manager in an hour *fear*
Aug 31 15:34:21 <halfhalo> hah
Aug 31 15:34:23 <dawm|laptop> uh oh
Aug 31 15:34:27 <halfhalo> who's your manager?
Aug 31 15:34:38 <sugardave> Gray
Aug 31 15:34:44 <halfhalo> ooooooo
Aug 31 15:34:48 <halfhalo> that will be fun
Aug 31 15:34:53 <sugardave> for now, anyway!
Aug 31 15:35:14 <sugardave> who knows what the future may bring?
Aug 31 15:35:29 <halfhalo> it will bring some cookies for one
Aug 31 15:35:53 <sugardave> no cookies here, and all the brownies are gone, too
Aug 31 15:36:03 <fxspec06> how can an app have -1MB of memory usage
Aug 31 15:36:14 <halfhalo> its an apple app?
Aug 31 15:36:19 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 31 15:36:20 <halfhalo> their magical like that.
Aug 31 15:36:26 <fxspec06> it's a pacman app
Aug 31 15:37:07 <fxspec06> that crashes because the process is out of memory. because it has -1mb usage
Aug 31 15:37:55 <halfhalo> yup, def sounds like an apple app
Aug 31 15:38:50 <rboatright> fxspec06 --  your pacman app has a memory leak.  Probably, and this is only a guess, but probably you are setting an event listener inside a loop and then not clearing it,  or you are modifying string variables inside a loop and not clearing THEM so garbage collection never has a chance to work on your crap because it is never released.
Aug 31 15:39:41 <fxspec06> thanks rboatright
Aug 31 15:41:21 <rboatright> One of the most common sources for this sort of thing is to store the board image as a string array.  Which is fine, but if you're modifying the board image inside a tight loop as you're moving your sprites around the screen, then remember that in memory, strings are never MODIFIED, they're written anew in a new part of memory.
Aug 31 15:42:00 <rboatright> a better solution, if that's what you're doing, is to store board state in a two dimensional numeric array.
Aug 31 15:42:35 <dawm|laptop> ^^ i do that in most of my games
Aug 31 15:43:21 <fxspec06> well i didn't write it, it's a straight port. but. in order to get the port to work, i had to change a line in the garbage collection function...
Aug 31 15:43:27 <rboatright> If you're moving your sprites around by modifying their CSS attributes, by generating a CSS location string and then applying it to the object in the DOM, that's utterly fine, but once you apply it, reset the string variable to "" so that garbage collection has a chance to work on it.
Aug 31 15:57:50 <sugardave> you mean all this time I could have been using my debugObject method thusly to get all of the arguments to a function:  debugObject(arguments);
Aug 31 15:57:53 * sugardave cries.
Aug 31 15:57:57 <sugardave> oh the wasted hours
Aug 31 15:58:04 <halfhalo> hahahah
Aug 31 15:58:17 <rboatright> uh, yes.
Aug 31 15:58:49 <sugardave> but, hey, it's fun to add args to a function one at a time until you don't get anymore :D
Aug 31 15:58:59 <rboatright> Javascript is a functional language, meaning you can pass a function to a function.
Aug 31 15:59:06 <halfhalo> the worst is when you go arguments=arguments.shift() and then later forget about that.  oh, the wasted hours...
Aug 31 15:59:21 <rboatright> ooooooo....   that's bad.
Aug 31 15:59:40 <phoque_uni> rboatright, I am not sure if that's the correct meaning of a functional language
Aug 31 16:00:00 <rboatright> it's not, but it's close enough for the kind of crappy programming I do.
Aug 31 16:00:14 <rboatright> and Javascript is in fact functional in the other sense as well.
Aug 31 16:00:14 <phoque_uni> no, it's not even close
Aug 31 16:00:42 <sugardave> functions are objects
Aug 31 16:00:46 <sugardave> I remember that part :P
Aug 31 16:01:32 <rboatright> a functional language can use the lambda calculus as the fundamental method of computing.
Aug 31 16:03:37 <phoque_uni> yeah, it can
Aug 31 16:03:47 <phoque_uni> meaning that it can doesn't mean that it is a functional language though
Aug 31 16:05:28 <rboatright> ahhhhh...  this could turn into one of THOSE discussions.   Sorry.  Not going there.  If a language -can- use lambda fundamentally, if it has anonymous function abstraction and function application (which javascript does) then it's as functional as I need it to be.  It's not essentially imperative like C or Java is.
Aug 31 16:06:26 <phoque_uni> rboatright, I can live with that definition :-)
Aug 31 16:08:26 <rboatright> Good, because I am -so- not getting into definitions wars.  I'm -way- too old.
Aug 31 16:10:21 <phoque_uni> I'm just saying that JS the way we're using it in webOS isn't nearly as functional as XSLT
Aug 31 16:10:32 <phoque_uni> I love XSLT btw :-)
Aug 31 16:10:56 <rboatright> Right.  but you -can- the language is capable of being used that way.  And it's massively powerful when you do.
Aug 31 16:12:00 <sugardave> flashing flashing flashing
Aug 31 16:12:00 <sugardave> erg
Aug 31 16:15:44 <rboatright> I still think that anyone wanting to do serious programming in Javascript should work through an entry-level book on SCHEME.
Aug 31 16:17:56 <rboatright> because until you do, or the equivalent in some other appropriate language, you won't have a decent understanding of recursion, and without that, you're in loop hell,  and since webOS requires asynchronous calls pretty much everywhere, you're going to remain very very confused.
Aug 31 16:18:22 * sugardave eats your callbacks.
Aug 31 16:18:50 * halfhalo overrides the callbacks with spam before sugardave eats them
Aug 31 16:20:19 <sugardave> blech, spam sucks
Aug 31 16:20:43 <rboatright> just got a big pile of twitter spam.
Aug 31 16:29:57 <dawm|laptop> oooh
Aug 31 16:30:00 <dawm|laptop> stalkers best friend
Aug 31 16:30:01 <dawm|laptop> http://fbtimemachine.appspot.com/
Aug 31 17:09:10 <NuttyBunny> STUPID TELCEL! I HATE YOU!!
Aug 31 17:47:20 <PreAce> can someone point me in the right direction for reading an epub file?
Aug 31 17:58:17 * Khaytsus points
Aug 31 18:00:06 <Lazar_Dobrescu> PreAce: On my pre I use pReader, no idea how it does on the touchpad
Aug 31 18:02:57 <EricBlade> anyone know how to successfully override the foreground color of a enyo Divider?
Aug 31 18:04:05 <leiru> EricBlade: it's an css3 stretched image
Aug 31 18:05:02 <EricBlade> according to the css file, the caption uses color #2d6c94 .. i'm not really sure how to approach overriding that though
Aug 31 18:05:28 <EricBlade> in Divider.css .enyo-divider-caption
Aug 31 18:06:07 <EricBlade> i was hoping for a better way to theme things other than style overriding every component, but i haven't found anything yet
Aug 31 18:09:47 <rwatkins> EricBlade: I add custom class names to each component I want to restyle, then target that classname.
Aug 31 18:10:23 <rwatkins> somewhat safer than relying on the component hierarchy for correctly targeting the right element.
Aug 31 18:10:25 <leiru> EricBlade: there are some themes in the sdk included, so basically it would be possible to create own themes
Aug 31 18:12:22 <EricBlade> rwatkins: that sounds like a good idea if it will inherit any styles that i don't explicitly set .. except .. how do i set it for the caption, when the caption is a stock header that i would guess has a caption inside it?   and is there an example of that somewhere that i can look at?
Aug 31 18:12:54 <EricBlade> leiru: that sounds like a good idea if i were going to make use of a lot of different controls, or wanted to theme a lot of apps similarly, but i'm not that advanced yet
Aug 31 18:12:56 <sugardave> descendants?
Aug 31 18:13:33 <rwatkins> indeed
Aug 31 18:13:43 <EricBlade> sugardave: is that a css concept, a enyo concept, or something else?
Aug 31 18:13:52 <sugardave> div * .captionClass {/*styles*/}  should get all of your class="captionClass" elements
Aug 31 18:13:57 <sugardave> css
Aug 31 18:14:15 <sugardave> or I guess bod * .captionClass
Aug 31 18:14:19 <sugardave> might be better
Aug 31 18:14:21 <sugardave> s/bod/body/
Aug 31 18:14:22 <rwatkins> or ".captionClass"
Aug 31 18:14:39 <sugardave> yeah, that should do it :D
Aug 31 18:14:51 <rwatkins> but what you likely want to style just some inner element, of something you've set a class on you want something like :
Aug 31 18:15:05 <rwatkins> div.my-divider .captionClass { /* stuff */ }
Aug 31 18:15:34 <rwatkins> div.my-divider .enyo-caption { /* stuff */ }
Aug 31 18:15:43 <EricBlade> how would i set the class for the caption inside the enyo header ? i can set it for the caption, easily enough ..
Aug 31 18:15:50 <rwatkins> or whatever you need to target the caption inside the divider you've setup with the custom class.
Aug 31 18:16:14 <rwatkins> beware assuming html structure and classes inside enyo components though
Aug 31 18:16:44 <rwatkins> between 3.0.0 and 3.0.2 the html structure of a toggle button changed and my CSS nolonger worked correctly targeting html elements inside the component.
Aug 31 18:17:08 <rwatkins> a hazard with stying the default components.
Aug 31 18:17:23 <EricBlade> ah.  and i'm only so far familiar with specifying CSS in a style override in the kind definition, or via applyStyle() .. where would i specify the ".my-divier.enyo-caption" type of override?
Aug 31 18:17:38 <rwatkins> in a css file you include in your index.html
Aug 31 18:18:01 <rwatkins> standard web dev stuff like this isnt so much covered in the docs, assuming people come with some web dev background.
Aug 31 18:18:14 <EricBlade> via standard link href ?
Aug 31 18:18:31 <sugardave> if you want to be all Enyo-y, you can just put the .css file in depends.js
Aug 31 18:18:59 <rwatkins> ah, true.
Aug 31 18:19:03 <sugardave> and it will auto-generate the link tags and stuff for you
Aug 31 18:19:14 <EricBlade> OH, ok, now we're starting to make some sense to my poor muddled head.
Aug 31 18:19:39 <EricBlade> and in that css file, can i just override the existing css names, to inherit the prior properties?
Aug 31 18:19:58 <rwatkins> EricBlade: yes
Aug 31 18:20:12 <EricBlade> or specify my own class names, and specify somehow that those class names should inherit from a specific enyo css ?
Aug 31 18:20:55 <rwatkins> so you can use the inespector to look at the specific html structure of the docs and write a css rule to overrite default styling.  and put that in your app.css file you include
Aug 31 18:21:03 <sugardave> basically the elements will get a bunch of styles from all the css...anything you set will generally override that setting from another directive, depending on the processing order/precedence
Aug 31 18:21:17 <rwatkins> or you can put a custom class on your component to help you target more specifically without relying fully on the component hierarchy
Aug 31 18:21:50 <EricBlade> beautiful! that makes it at least a little easier.  still need to go digging through the source to find all the css though
Aug 31 18:22:01 <sugardave> no you don't
Aug 31 18:22:08 <rwatkins> Enyo here is just a ton of javascript and css, but otherwise its just regular web development.
Aug 31 18:22:12 <sugardave> just run it in chrome like rwatkins said
Aug 31 18:22:20 <sugardave> and use the inspector/dev tools there
Aug 31 18:22:28 <rwatkins> ^ this
Aug 31 18:22:55 <rwatkins> i have never actually looked at the enyo css files - always just use the inspector.
Aug 31 18:23:20 <EricBlade> ooooooohhhh
Aug 31 18:23:32 <sugardave> EricBlade: in the dev tools, you get the "computed styles" of an element, that shows everything that is currently applied, then it breaks it out into which location it got certain styles from, etc.
Aug 31 18:23:33 <EricBlade> i love you guys
Aug 31 18:23:49 <rwatkins> Learn Chrome dev tools - it will massivly help your development.
Aug 31 18:23:56 <sugardave> #1+
Aug 31 18:24:07 <oil> until you make a hybrid app and anything that calls the plugin doesnt work anymore
Aug 31 18:24:15 <oil> but for everything else its awesome :)
Aug 31 18:24:15 <sugardave> well, yeah
Aug 31 18:24:18 <EricBlade> i'm somewhat more familiar with the tools in Opera, but i haven't checked to see if this dev kit works in Opera yet
Aug 31 18:24:19 <sugardave> and headless apps
Aug 31 18:24:22 <rwatkins> dev in chrome is FAR and away the best feature of enyo.
Aug 31 18:24:23 <sugardave> but hey, baby steps
Aug 31 18:24:43 <sugardave> EricBlade: not sure if enyo will work in opera
Aug 31 18:24:43 <oil> the fact services work through the bridge to device is ++
Aug 31 18:24:46 <sugardave> needs webkit
Aug 31 18:25:38 <EricBlade> i think opera emulates the webkit stuff, but i don't think there's any way to disable all the securities that i had to disable to get chrome to work
Aug 31 18:25:56 <klausa> EricBlade: Chromes dev tools are similar, but I must admit, since 11.0 or so Opera has probably best dev-tools out of all browsers.
Aug 31 18:26:22 <EricBlade> yeah this will work fine. it's a lot a matter of learning what tools are available, and a technique for using them
Aug 31 18:28:39 <rwatkins> You probalby want to be using the same tools the Enyo team uses - and I expect thats not Opera ...
Aug 31 18:29:47 <EricBlade> yeah it's probably not.  one reason why i haven't tried, other than wanting to get into this as fast as i could
Aug 31 18:30:32 <rwatkins> the webOS browser is built on webkit, so you likely want to be on Chrome or Safari.  Not Opera or Firefox.
Aug 31 18:30:51 <sugardave> solid advice
Aug 31 18:31:39 <sugardave> I could probably do with an advanced chrome dev tools usage tutorial
Aug 31 18:55:24 <sugardave> man, this little thing is awesome!  Even at 0% battery it is still running!  0%!!!!
Aug 31 19:07:17 <EricBlade> 0%!! that's very little battery sir
Aug 31 19:08:36 <EricBlade> ok, so, i need to figure out why in two different cases, i've got vastly wrong things happening on device vs. in chrome.  both are web accesses, one trying to load a img src directly to an image component, and the other in accessing a specific WebService
Aug 31 19:08:48 <EricBlade> and i can't seem to capture any logging from the device itself
Aug 31 19:09:09 <EricBlade> only device logging i get is when something halts execution .. even though my log levels are set to 99
Aug 31 19:12:23 <twbbas> EricBlade: I've had the problem too with logging
Aug 31 19:12:32 <twbbas> I found that using lumberjack sometimes makes it start logging again
Aug 31 19:12:43 <twbbas> If you find out why it's happening, please let me know :D
Aug 31 19:12:48 * EricBlade goes to get a chainsaw ... I'm a LUMBERJAAAAAAAAAACK BAAAAAAAAAAABY
Aug 31 19:12:54 <twbbas> lol
Aug 31 19:13:01 <EricBlade> what's lumberjack?
Aug 31 19:13:42 <Lazar_Dobrescu> log viewer
Aug 31 19:13:45 <twbbas> It's in Preware
Aug 31 19:14:45 <EricBlade> oni t ty
Aug 31 19:14:55 <dawm|laptop> EricBlade: you logging w/ palm-log?
Aug 31 19:15:03 <dawm|laptop> you have to turn on system logging
Aug 31 19:15:11 <EricBlade> dawm trying to. it used to work, i thought
Aug 31 19:15:21 <dawm|laptop> er change the system log level
Aug 31 19:15:48 <dawm|laptop> palm-log --system-log-level info
Aug 31 19:16:12 <EricBlade> hehe my gf is wondering "WHY ARE WE LISTENING TO THE LUMBERJACK SONG?"
Aug 31 19:17:17 <Lazar_Dobrescu> tell her it's an app that puts songs in context to what you're doing?
Aug 31 19:17:38 <EricBlade> ooh google ads but for music. hmm.  you may have an interesting idea there lazar
Aug 31 19:18:09 <Lazar_Dobrescu> the hard part is making sure you're catering to the style of music of the user too
Aug 31 19:18:18 <Lazar_Dobrescu> else it's just going to be a novelty used for a week max
Aug 31 19:18:36 <Lazar_Dobrescu> some kind of mix between a pandora-style radio and google ads I guess
Aug 31 19:20:34 <rwatkins> puts payola at a whole different level
Aug 31 19:21:36 <rwatkins> $X to play song Y after song Z, A number of times.
Aug 31 19:22:13 <Lazar_Dobrescu> hmm... what'
Aug 31 19:22:23 <Lazar_Dobrescu> what's in it for the music producers
Aug 31 19:22:31 <Lazar_Dobrescu> why would they want to be after song z
Aug 31 19:22:39 <Lazar_Dobrescu> instead of just associated with some keywords
Aug 31 19:22:47 <rwatkins> because theyre an up and coming artist that appeals to the same audience
Aug 31 19:23:23 <Lazar_Dobrescu> maybe... I would make a terrible music marketer.. I have no idea what matters :)
Aug 31 19:23:57 <EricBlade> OH wow there's touchstones in stock
Aug 31 19:24:09 <Lazar_Dobrescu> for the tp?
Aug 31 19:24:19 <rwatkins> got two yesterday, but one of the new ones doesnt seem to work with one of my TPs most of the time
Aug 31 19:24:39 <Lazar_Dobrescu> are they somewhat discounted?
Aug 31 19:24:52 <EricBlade> they are 55?
Aug 31 19:24:55 <Lazar_Dobrescu> meh
Aug 31 19:25:01 <rwatkins> ya, I think something liek $40 rather than $70.
Aug 31 19:25:08 <EricBlade> i got a 25% off all accessories coupon in my email
Aug 31 19:25:14 <Lazar_Dobrescu> heh true
Aug 31 19:26:34 <EricBlade> hmm. $216 for 2 keyboards, touchstones, and cases?
Aug 31 19:27:12 <EricBlade> do i jump on this while they are available, or ... do i wait to see if i can nail bigger discounts
Aug 31 19:27:49 <rwatkins> ah, first world problems.
Aug 31 19:27:59 <matbee> doot
Aug 31 19:28:13 <Xuzz> hah
Aug 31 19:28:15 <matbee> 2 BT keyboards, 2 touchstones and 2 cases?
Aug 31 19:28:18 <matbee> and youre wondering?
Aug 31 19:28:47 <matbee> wait for further discounts so you lose out
Aug 31 19:28:47 <Xuzz> Speaking of which, are there any places online selling touchstones?
Aug 31 19:32:16 <rwatkins> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+Touchstone+Inductive+Charging+Dock+for+HP+TouchPad+Tablets/2884085.p?id=1218363391792&skuId=2884085&st=touchstone&cp=1&lp=9
Aug 31 19:33:24 <dwc-> bestbuy's not out of them?
Aug 31 19:34:42 <Xuzz> rwatkins: I'm seeing sold out
Aug 31 19:40:10 <pcworld> anyone know how to properly display a list in Mojo with variable item heights?
Aug 31 19:40:10 <pcworld> I'm not using a widget, just divs with css-classes applied (data is static, in a help scene)
Aug 31 19:40:11 <pcworld> the HTML code I've tried with: http://pastebin.com/KwegZGTH
Aug 31 19:40:11 <pcworld> result is pretty strange, especially when tapping on an item: http://h3.abload.de/img/beta_2011-30-08_154842sfl6.png
Aug 31 19:40:11 <pcworld> any suggestions?
Aug 31 19:43:41 <scgtrp> PDL_GetLocation is giving me a struct full of -1s but returning PDL_NOERROR; the maps application included with the touchpad seems to have no problems. i am calling PDL_EnableLocationTracking first. what else could be the problem?
Aug 31 19:44:14 <magnets> Is there a terminal app that works on the touchpad?
Aug 31 19:44:40 <pcworld> scgtrp: I think the maps application isn't PDK, it's Enyo
Aug 31 19:44:50 <pcworld> magnets: Xecutah from the testing feeds in Preware
Aug 31 19:46:10 <scgtrp> pcworld: you appear to be right, though i'm not sure why it'd only work for one of them
Aug 31 19:46:49 <pcworld> when HP released webOS 2 the Navit people had problems on getting GPS working too in the PDK
Aug 31 19:46:53 <scgtrp> i don't get anything asking me for permission if i set it to ask ("location services" is gps, right?)
Aug 31 19:46:53 <pcworld> because the PDK is messed up
Aug 31 19:47:13 <pcworld> are you on webOS 2.1?
Aug 31 19:47:26 <pcworld> ah sry, you're on webOS 3
Aug 31 19:47:55 <scgtrp> 3.0.something
Aug 31 19:48:04 <scgtrp> 3.0.2
Aug 31 19:48:46 <scgtrp> is there a way to get the current location without going through pdk?
Aug 31 19:48:51 <pcworld> sorry, I have never played with GPS development before
Aug 31 19:49:19 <pcworld> if you'd make a plugin you could use Enyo to get GPS coordinates
Aug 31 19:50:07 <scgtrp> i'd rather not go that route, tbh
Aug 31 19:50:24 <fxspec06> i just got a "give 50gb to teammates" email from box
Aug 31 19:50:35 <scgtrp> (trying to have my touchpad log coordinates to my server every few minutes in case it gets stolen or something)
Aug 31 19:50:50 <scgtrp> so ideally it'd run completely in the background
Aug 31 19:51:08 <scgtrp> can i do that with enyo? i've not really looked at it much
Aug 31 19:51:25 <pcworld> you could do that with node.js I think
Aug 31 19:51:38 <pcworld> scgtrp: you could also ask in the forums, there's some HP staff around
Aug 31 19:52:21 <scgtrp> i don't see anything obviously gps-related in the touchpad's /dev
Aug 31 19:52:41 <pcworld> node.js are services written in JS that can run in the background
Aug 31 19:52:53 <pcworld> you can do a service call to get the coordinates and send them to the server
Aug 31 19:52:56 <scgtrp> aww, i still have to use js? :(
Aug 31 19:53:13 <pcworld> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/js-services/overview.html
Aug 31 19:53:51 <pcworld> and note that the TouchPad has no GPS, it's just using Google Location Services
Aug 31 19:54:06 <pcworld> I think it grabs MAC addresses from WiFi routers around and sends them to a server of Google
Aug 31 19:54:12 <scgtrp> wait, really? that's slightly misleading
Aug 31 19:54:27 <pcworld> yeah, afaik the TP has no GPS
Aug 31 19:54:37 <scgtrp> or not. thought i saw gps mentioned by name in the location services settings
Aug 31 19:55:07 <ctladvance> Tp has no gps at all
Aug 31 19:55:27 <ctladvance> Tp4g would have had agps
Aug 31 19:55:43 <pcworld> http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html / tech specs: mentions no GPS at all
Aug 31 19:55:44 <scgtrp> For the TouchPad, Google location services are used to provide WiFi fixes. This requires users to set Google services to ON. However, this does not apply to a 3G TouchPad, which has a GPS chip and a modem.
Aug 31 19:55:46 <ctladvance> but nothing built into the basic touchpad
Aug 31 19:56:06 <scgtrp> whatever it's doing seems to be accurate enough though, at least here
Aug 31 19:56:18 <ctladvance> Yep unless your on a 3G touchpad, no gps
Aug 31 19:56:30 <pcworld> Google has a database of MAC addresses of WiFi routers assigned to GPS coordinates (I think)
Aug 31 19:56:44 <ctladvance> Goog uses you ISP and a basic loation based on that
Aug 31 19:57:03 <pcworld> I don't think it would be that accurate then
Aug 31 19:57:25 <scgtrp> got within a few feet of my real location, i assume that'll vary though
Aug 31 19:57:58 <scgtrp> given 3 routers
Aug 31 19:58:16 <pcworld> somebody ever got a Mojo list with variable heights working and displaying properly? / https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17888
Aug 31 19:58:47 <scgtrp> can i call js services from c++?
Aug 31 19:59:21 <pcworld> yes, but doesn't work fine always
Aug 31 20:02:49 <EricBlade> the regular html geolocation services work on the tp .. don't know where it gets the info, but it's ridiculously accurate here. better than my ipod
Aug 31 20:05:54 <EricBlade> i bring up a map on the touchpad, and it pinpoints my house, the ipod lands me somewhere in the block
Aug 31 20:06:11 <EricBlade> wow , the guy i'm talking to at HP to figure out why my coupon only applied to 3/4 of my order is a total tool
Aug 31 20:06:53 <EricBlade> and just blasted me with touchtones, ouch
Aug 31 20:09:06 <EricBlade> and it'll take 3-5 business days to get the order fixed lol. ok, whatever
Aug 31 20:12:33 <dwc-> EricBlade: wifi
Aug 31 20:13:26 <EricBlade> dwc-: it's MAGIC
Aug 31 20:16:07 <dwc-> sure, same thing ;)
Aug 31 20:20:36 <EricBlade> there -shouldn't- be anything special i need to do to be able to access an image using an Image element, if the image is stored on a secure site, right?
Aug 31 20:21:14 <EricBlade> trying to retrieve images for my google contacts, and it's just flat out refusing to display them on device. it works in browser.
Aug 31 20:22:33 <pcworld> did you tried manually with an <img> tag? (though that should be the same as the Image kind does)
Aug 31 20:26:20 <EricBlade> pcworld: well, my layout looks better that way, but it still only retrieves the "default" image for people that all get the "blue-ghost"
Aug 31 20:27:38 <dwc-> does it work if you pull it via http (non-ssl?)
Aug 31 20:28:50 <EricBlade> nope! guess that's not the problem
Aug 31 20:29:10 <EricBlade> oops maybe just changed it in the wrong spot one sec
Aug 31 20:30:39 <EricBlade> nope
Aug 31 20:30:55 <EricBlade> still works in chrome, still doesn't work on device
Aug 31 20:31:37 <pcworld> what about a WebOS Internals project to replace the webOS webkit with Chrome running in X11? :D
Aug 31 20:34:35 <dawm|laptop> http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/omg/mesmerizing-animated-gif-portrait.asp
Aug 31 20:35:59 <EricBlade> y'know , I DO see a "Resource interpreted as Image but transferred with MINE type text/html" here in Chrome
Aug 31 20:36:07 <EricBlade> *MIME
Aug 31 20:37:10 <dwc-> that looks suspicious
Aug 31 20:39:09 <EricBlade> i can't tell exactly what it's blowing up about that on though
Aug 31 20:40:19 <EricBlade> if I am to believe the order of things in the log, it's happening long before any code that does images runs
Aug 31 20:47:16 <gokr> Hmmm, I got a TP in UK, hooked it to my pre profile which I created in Sweden. Probably a bad move - see no paid apps. Anyone know how the "rules" here?
Aug 31 20:48:58 <pc-world> reset it, select US/English, create a new profile (not sure if that works)
Aug 31 20:49:28 <klausa> Don't pick US.
Aug 31 20:49:33 <EricBlade> well, blah. if I can figure out these two problems, both involving accessing things at google that don't seem to want to access only on device, then i'm just about ready to roll with this
Aug 31 20:49:36 <klausa> You won't be able to buy apps neither.
Aug 31 20:50:09 <klausa> I'm not sure how it is between countries, but I'm 100% sure US store won't take Polish CC, so I guess any european one.
Aug 31 20:50:15 <rwatkins> so, who thinks we'll get a new Pivot in the catalog tomorrow?
Aug 31 20:50:39 <EricBlade> we already got a new pivot didn't we? or at least, i got a new one a couple days after.  maybe i was on an old one to start with.
Aug 31 20:50:58 <pc-world> klausa: you're right
Aug 31 20:51:18 <rwatkins> in theory they come out each month on the 1st.  but only two issues in, so ...
Aug 31 20:51:29 <gokr> ok, so uk would be fine? i have a visa card.
Aug 31 20:53:13 <gokr> And not sharing profile with my pre2 - am I missing something significant then?
Aug 31 20:53:20 <pc-world> "For France, Germany and the United Kingdom, the credit card options are  Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg, Netherlands,  Spain and United Kingdom.  For Canada, the credit card options are  Canada or United States.  For United States, then credit card options  are Canada, United States and Mexico."
Aug 31 20:53:28 <pc-world> (source: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/281075-global-paid-app-catalog-access-new-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-pre-3-veer-using-impostah.html)
Aug 31 20:54:32 <klausa> Fuck.
Aug 31 20:54:39 <klausa> So I won't be able to buy anything.
Aug 31 20:54:41 <klausa> Fuck that shit.
Aug 31 20:56:04 <rwatkins> not too suprising that if they havent released the product in your country that things might not work right .. for that country.
Aug 31 20:57:35 <klausa> I don't really see a reason why would they limit which country from your credit card has to be, in case of EU.
Aug 31 20:57:50 <gokr> klausa: Not so sure, I am reading in kb.hpwebos.com and it says "visa and mastercard are accepted in all countries"
Aug 31 20:58:10 <rwatkins> klausa: probably just because they want fewer people to be able to buy apps and make less money
Aug 31 20:58:32 <klausa> We'll see on monday/tuesday when I'll get mine.
Aug 31 20:58:36 <gokr> But it also talks about which countrybthe device was activated in - how do they tell?
Aug 31 20:58:57 <rwatkins> or maybe there are gee .. technical or legal issues?  naaa.
Aug 31 20:59:15 <klausa> rwatkins: Within EU?
Aug 31 20:59:17 <klausa> Not really.
Aug 31 20:59:45 <dawm|laptop> BLEEEAH
Aug 31 20:59:48 <dawm|laptop> DOOPE
Aug 31 21:00:11 <rwatkins> klausa: so you think they jsut did this to be total bastards?  not because maybe the solution they had ties acceptable cards to a market?
Aug 31 21:00:25 <gokr> I am going to try anhard reset and create a new profile.
Aug 31 21:17:13 <siestacat> hey, can you use the tp as a second screen?
Aug 31 21:17:33 <Tibfib> I don't think sp
Aug 31 21:17:36 <Tibfib> s/sp/so/
Aug 31 21:18:39 <klausa> Actually, if it's running XServer, I think that could be possible.
Aug 31 21:22:17 <Tibfib> yeah, probably
Aug 31 21:22:50 <siestacat> an app like that would sell
Aug 31 21:23:02 <siestacat> xserver. how?
Aug 31 21:24:23 <directhex> if you have a VNC client for touchpad, then yes
Aug 31 21:24:37 <directhex> there are drivers to use a VNC server as a second display, on both windows & linux
Aug 31 21:24:59 <siestacat> ok, are there any vnc clients for the tp?
Aug 31 21:26:21 <siestacat> and, would ubuntu chroot be used?
Aug 31 21:26:24 <siestacat> or just xterm
Aug 31 21:31:06 <siestacat> chroot would work I guess
Aug 31 21:31:12 <siestacat> what's a good program for that?
Aug 31 21:31:40 <jmdearras> What is the primary language used to program WebOS apps?
Aug 31 21:32:34 <grandy> webby
Aug 31 21:33:15 <siestacat> html/javascript/css
Aug 31 21:33:23 <jmdearras> No fair folloowing me!
Aug 31 21:33:27 <rwatkins> much like .. the web!
Aug 31 21:33:37 <grandy> farty
Aug 31 21:34:26 <jmdearras> CSS is not a coding language, it's presentaton.
Aug 31 21:35:01 <jmdearras> what about backend code?
Aug 31 21:35:13 <rwatkins> there is no backend code normally.
Aug 31 21:35:47 <rwatkins> but you can do stuff in javascript - node.js.  Or anything that can compile to a plugin- normally C.
Aug 31 21:36:14 <jmdearras> Ah, ok.
Aug 31 21:36:26 <jmdearras> Javascript, not Java?
Aug 31 21:36:56 <rwatkins> Cat is to Catalog as Java is to Javascript.
Aug 31 21:36:56 <directhex> that's android.
Aug 31 21:36:58 <directhex> ish.
Aug 31 21:37:14 <directhex> "is android java" is a question for the lawyers
Aug 31 21:37:50 <Khaytsus> Of course Android is Java.
Aug 31 21:37:53 <Khaytsus> There's no question
Aug 31 21:37:57 <rwatkins> android - java the language, not java the VM.
Aug 31 21:38:17 <rwatkins> android takes java byte code, recompiles it to a different, non-Java VM.
Aug 31 21:39:08 <Khaytsus> Right
Aug 31 21:39:28 <gokr> Java the language - yes. Java bytecodes - no, DEX. Java libs - no, special for Android.
Aug 31 21:40:05 <rwatkins> so you can write android in anything - compile your language of choice to java byte code.
Aug 31 21:40:26 <gokr> Or rather - it compiles to regular bytecodes first and then to dex.
Aug 31 21:40:27 <jmdearras> javascript and java are not the same.
Aug 31 21:40:52 <gokr> rwatkins: Basically yes, if you also can interact with java libs.
Aug 31 21:41:14 <rwatkins> indeed.  and neither are cat and catalog.
Aug 31 21:41:54 <rwatkins> or ham is to hamster.  or car is to carpet.
Aug 31 21:42:57 <kesne> Yo
Aug 31 21:42:58 <kesne> Dawg
Aug 31 21:43:06 <kesne> http://villo.me/next/framework/
Aug 31 22:03:35 <xeron__> hello
Aug 31 22:06:15 <xeron__> i am trying to set up an OpenGL orthographic view and put a simple shape in it, but i'm failing. I have used SDL/OpenGL before, but not OpenGL-ES.
Aug 31 22:06:27 <xeron__> my test code is here:
Aug 31 22:06:27 <xeron__> http://pastebin.com/2nhtf7Vj
Aug 31 22:06:37 <xeron__> why doesn't this work?!?!?
Aug 31 22:06:45 <xeron__> just gives a blank black card
Aug 31 22:07:59 <NuttyBunny> Well, well... anyone has managed to print to a non-PCL printer with the touchpad? Or I should return this HP LasetJet P1102w? :@
Aug 31 22:25:57 <gokr> klausa: It looks kinda bad. It seems I need a Visa or Mastercard with a billing address in a certain country - depending on which "shopping country" I pick. Picking UK offers a bunch of countries, unfortunately not Sweden.
Aug 31 22:26:20 <gokr> klausa: Are you in Poland?
Aug 31 22:26:24 <klausa> Yeah.
Aug 31 22:28:13 <gokr> Haven't seen that country listed. For UK as shopping country I can use credit card with billing address in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Lucembourg, Netherlands, Spain and of course UK.
Aug 31 22:28:21 <gokr> No Sweden nor Poland.
Aug 31 22:29:02 <gokr> Didn't click through all shopping countries though, I think I gotta do a reset again to back to picking "shopping country" - it is a one time pick.
Aug 31 22:37:24 <gokr> klausa: Aha, people say that one can buy a "gift card" and use that, like for example www.simon.com/giftcard
Aug 31 22:37:42 <gokr> Phew, how incedibly hard it is to give HP money.
Aug 31 22:50:02 <_hattybin> is there a way to launch a sh or bash script with a launcher icon?
Aug 31 23:18:33 <twbbas> Has anyone noticed that in-app item sales reports are 3 days old?
Aug 31 23:18:42 <twbbas> As in they only go up to 8/28
Aug 31 23:41:27 <rrix> Hmmm, probably a basic question, but I can't find it; how do I create a kind dynamically and add it as a component to another kind?
Aug 31 23:41:32 <rrix> googlefufail
Aug 31 23:58:56 <oil> rrix: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html
Aug 31 23:59:06 <oil> search it for createcomponent
Sep 01 00:12:47 <rrix> oil: danke danke
Sep 01 00:19:03 <NuttyBunny> Guys, someone can help with this? : http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-tips-information-resources/296118-use-any-printer-attached-your-linux-computer-pcl-printer-your-touchpad.html
Sep 01 00:22:25 <rrix> Sigh, chromium's javascript debugger keeps spilling its guts all over the place and not working :\
Sep 01 00:42:19 <rrix> hmmm
Sep 01 01:25:39 <fxspec06> hello everybody
Sep 01 01:27:03 <kevets> helllo
Sep 01 01:27:17 <fxspec06> what's up
Sep 01 01:27:32 <kevets> so after helping my bro set up his 32gb touchpad today... yeah I definitely want one
Sep 01 01:27:42 <fxspec06> yeah it's pretty awesome
Sep 01 01:28:04 <fxspec06> i've made up for the cost of my pad in sales this month
Sep 01 01:28:05 <kevets> got him set up with uberkernel and kalemsoft media player is a nice lil multimedia tablet now
Sep 01 01:28:15 <kevets> nice goin
Sep 01 01:28:25 <fxspec06> yeah it is a great multimedia tab
Sep 01 01:28:27 <fxspec06> =)
Sep 01 01:30:14 <kevets> should be built in... but you cant have it all. that kalemsoft should be bundled on every one of em
Sep 01 01:30:47 <kevets> is usb transfer slow for everyone or is it just me?
Sep 01 01:39:02 <NuttyBunny> kevets: it sucks, setup sftp, use wifi
Sep 01 01:39:40 <kevets> heh I have done that on my pre2 actually.. just wonderin
Sep 01 01:41:37 <NuttyBunny> yep, it's the worst thing ever. And it leads to file corruption sometimes.. I hate it
Sep 01 01:41:50 <kevets> only thing that still bugs me on my pre2 is lag in the messaging app and the fact that google maps crushes my battery if I have to leave it running
Sep 01 01:42:44 <kevets> damn. yeah it seems flaky sometimes doing usb mode
Sep 01 01:58:57 <EricBlade-TP> hi guys. anyone know of any alternative email programs? especially that can use synergy? if that's even possible? the stock one is absolutely terrible. with 6 folders being monitored, I no longer have enough memory to run any other app
Sep 01 01:59:09 <EricBlade-TP> and once I close it it takes over 5 minutes for the memory to free
Sep 01 02:03:56 <fxspec06> PacMan is coming to TouchPad! submitted for review
Sep 01 02:04:28 * NuttyBunny emails Namco
Sep 01 02:04:36 <EricBlade-TP> puck man?
Sep 01 02:05:22 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/109083258695847936
Sep 01 02:05:36 <fxspec06> called 'Inky's Revenge'
Sep 01 02:05:48 <dawm|tp> autocorrect is so weird
Sep 01 02:05:53 <NuttyBunny> Fuck man!
Sep 01 02:05:55 <dawm|tp> capitalizes Sandler
Sep 01 02:05:58 <fxspec06> credit goes to my bud warlord also
Sep 01 02:06:01 <dawm|tp> and AutoZone
Sep 01 02:06:09 <fxspec06> he worked hard on it as did i
Sep 01 02:06:09 <dawm|tp> TiVo too
Sep 01 02:09:05 <kevets> a good pac man game would be fun
Sep 01 02:09:26 <kevets> phone compatible or touchpad only?
Sep 01 02:09:38 <fxspec06> it is good pac man game
Sep 01 02:09:39 <fxspec06> lol
Sep 01 02:09:42 <fxspec06> i was playing all day
Sep 01 02:10:08 <fxspec06> have to do sep version for phone, not redy yet
Sep 01 02:10:22 <NuttyBunny> Fat App! ;)
Sep 01 02:10:31 <fxspec06> yeah prob do that for this
Sep 01 02:10:48 <fxspec06> i have an OLD phone ipk of it that works, but crashes
Sep 01 02:10:55 <fxspec06> and i fixed all the crashes today. took me all day lol
Sep 01 02:12:33 <kevets> I just hope devs dont forget about phones when making apps for all the new touchpads
Sep 01 02:16:17 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/296146-inkys-revenge-touchpad-pacman-clone.html#post3122370
Sep 01 02:19:49 <dawm|tp> found a bug in the tp messenger
Sep 01 02:20:02 <dawm|tp> if itnhas "'s it fails to send
Sep 01 02:20:06 <dawm|tp> it has
Sep 01 02:20:51 <dawm|tp> cjdjdrijfm
Sep 01 02:21:00 <dawm|tp> at least with yahoo msgr
Sep 01 02:22:55 <fxspec06> i found a bug in the music app
Sep 01 02:23:02 <fxspec06> anything with < causes a line break
Sep 01 02:41:08 <CTLAdvance> does the photo app in the touchpad not support PNG images
Sep 01 02:48:55 <Tptg> anyone know how to debug the browser and/or submit bug reports to hp?
Sep 01 02:49:22 <HattCzech> can anyone help me with peoplepicker?
Sep 01 02:49:34 <HattCzech> or a more specific question... can i put that in a list instead of a popup?
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