**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 06 02:59:56 2011 Sep 06 03:00:10 fxspec06_: ping Sep 06 03:00:24 Doubt the ebay prices will get any cheaper and just want to make sure I get 1 now! Sep 06 03:02:18 hell with capitalism Sep 06 03:02:29 haydnh: i still think you got a decent deal Sep 06 03:02:30 they should have never let people order more than 3 Sep 06 03:02:45 i have more then 3 in my family, and everyone wanted one Sep 06 03:02:47 i have read that some people ordered 40+ Sep 06 03:02:53 yeah Sep 06 03:03:01 thats just.. wow Sep 06 03:03:05 well yeah fair use and greed has to have limits Sep 06 03:03:05 limit 5-10 per Sep 06 03:06:48 i say the limit should be one Sep 06 03:06:59 then everyone who wants one will have it Sep 06 03:10:03 or just send army to the houses of those guys who bought more tha 40 and just snatch the remaining 39 Sep 06 03:10:39 crap mc package is corrupt :( I so want to install midnight commander Sep 06 03:12:13 or the host is down Sep 06 03:13:44 mc? use the command line! Sep 06 03:14:36 yeah i use it but having dual pane is nice Sep 06 03:14:37 It's really lame when USB drive mode fails and tells you to toss all cards away -- when no cards are open. Sep 06 03:16:49 hoolycool python is in the repo too Sep 06 03:18:38 i'd like to know where people get the money to buy 40 Sep 06 03:19:41 Credit cards Sep 06 03:23:13 holly crap i managed to get openvpn and ssh work on this touchpad finally, trick was to install the ssh and openvpn from ipkg-opt Sep 06 03:23:26 for some reason preware installations were borked Sep 06 03:26:28 oh marvelous.. my laptops touchpad & mouse buttons have decided to die on me! Sep 06 03:27:07 * Nilium gives a thumbs up Sep 06 03:27:21 anyone who's ever submitted an app before ever have a problem with it saying "Some of the required information is missing", even though it's all there, and all filled out, and blah blah blah? Sep 06 03:27:32 Although I find it surprising you have a laptop touchpad with actual buttons these days Sep 06 03:28:04 can't stand mice at the best of times, let alone when they have virtual buttons Sep 06 03:28:29 I like my Macbook's touchpad, though I still need my mouse. Sep 06 03:30:33 cool i can also ssh into touchpad, by bye to usb and novaterm, the webos-internals wikis are decent Sep 06 03:32:16 I think I'm going have to pull together some assembly to get atomic ops working Sep 06 03:33:28 Whatre you working on Nilium? Sep 06 03:33:41 Porting an engine of mine over to the Touchpad Sep 06 03:34:49 Probably won't do anything else with it, but it works well as a generic testing device Sep 06 03:34:51 Nilium, isnt there already a library to deal with atomic ops? Sep 06 03:35:00 Don't think I've seen one. Sep 06 03:35:12 There's ext/atomicity.h, but I think use of it is frowned upon Sep 06 03:35:50 That and the __sync_* built-ins don't seem to be implemented for ARM. Sep 06 03:39:04 is Pre 2 good phone? Sep 06 03:39:48 I know there was one. I remember packaging it back in the day since it was dependency for something else Sep 06 03:40:32 Maybe, but implementing it myself isn't very difficult. Sep 06 03:42:28 oh, fun, when i reloaded the entire app in Opera, I was able to submit it. Sep 06 03:42:40 lol Sep 06 03:43:00 I think this was it http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/linux/atomic_ops/ Sep 06 03:43:41 So, Opera couldn't operate any of the controls on the "App Info" page, but was able to submit the form. Chrome couldn't submit the form, but was able to operate the controls. niiiice. Sep 06 03:46:52 EricBlade: should've clearly used IE ;) Sep 06 03:47:27 zomg: i only -ever- load IE because it's the only thing that works with a scheduling program i have to use for one of my employers Sep 06 03:48:43 hmm. what is up with gamma on mobile displays? why is it always so much weirder than on screen? my screenshots look like almost different colors entirely. Sep 06 03:51:01 Maybe your computer's screen is just of poor quality :P Sep 06 03:51:18 At least the TouchPad has an IPS screen I think so it should be pretty accurate unless they've screwed with it Sep 06 03:52:57 lol Sep 06 03:53:05 hard to mess up an IPS screen Sep 06 03:53:31 Well I suppose they could've changed the color profile from the GPU or whatever it uses =) Sep 06 03:53:38 But yeah Sep 06 03:53:51 I have two pretty cheap 24 inch monitors with TN panels Sep 06 03:54:03 The difference between them and my primary monitor, one with an IPS panel, is massive Sep 06 04:02:27 is SQL required to use local web storage? Sep 06 04:04:05 It's required for Web SQL databases. Sep 06 04:04:43 Not required for cookies. Sep 06 04:05:04 no cookies won't do Sep 06 04:06:17 so I gonna try to use html5 local web storage along with SQL to make a dictionary? Sep 06 04:06:52 this is a tough hobby to pick up Sep 06 04:07:00 sqllite Sep 06 04:07:07 stop calling it somethign goofy Sep 06 04:07:14 thanks Sep 06 04:07:23 :) Sep 06 04:07:39 anyone know if theres an enyo cupcake.js ? Sep 06 04:07:46 nah, i've done work with iThings and Androids and other stuff, and the gamma on them all is -really- different from PCs, and I don't know why Sep 06 04:09:39 and, i've already got a bug fix for an update after approval :D Sep 06 04:10:48 heh Sep 06 04:10:50 what bug? Sep 06 04:11:09 character count in text message entry window didn't reset when you started typing a new message Sep 06 04:11:21 ah Sep 06 04:11:47 dont suspend Sep 06 04:11:47 so your app can receive calls? or just use another phone or google talk Sep 06 04:11:58 let it get approved then resubmit even if its broke Sep 06 04:12:26 only way it could receive calls is if there's something that will do GTalk for Voice or some other phone-like thing Sep 06 04:13:02 ahh cool Sep 06 04:13:08 its a nice looking app Sep 06 04:13:22 if you had Skype wired to your GVoice, you could do that Sep 06 04:13:35 or a Bluetooth phone Sep 06 04:13:41 that pairs to the touchpad Sep 06 04:15:15 or if the gtalk-gmail voice plugin worked Sep 06 04:15:15 i wish it did work Sep 06 04:15:15 would be awesome Sep 06 04:15:15 wired to my gvoice? Sep 06 04:15:15 you can do that with skype? or are you just saying Sep 06 04:15:15 if you have a Skype number, you could have Google Voice forward to it Sep 06 04:15:28 ahh Sep 06 04:15:31 well i dont haha Sep 06 04:16:09 Hm, specifying -march=armv7 doesn't work, but armv6 does Sep 06 04:16:18 * Nilium scratches his head Sep 06 04:20:30 https://twitter.com/#!/ForestSWhitaker/status/109458807385632768 Sep 06 04:21:50 I think I've read that before.. Sep 06 04:22:30 The post, that is. Never actually read the bible or been in a church or any of that junk. Sep 06 04:22:48 i need some veer help! Sep 06 04:23:33 i copied a movie to my veer and it wont index the video or soemthing.. just spinning circle. can it not handle movies? Sep 06 04:24:11 is anyone here Sep 06 04:24:17 Dunno, what format is it? Codecs, container, etc. Sep 06 04:24:50 m4v Sep 06 04:24:54 mpg Sep 06 04:25:10 Huh? Sep 06 04:25:14 m4v Sep 06 04:26:42 also can android be dual booted to the veer like it is with pre? Sep 06 04:27:27 woot Sep 06 04:27:37 2 new DC hats, $30shipped ;D <3 6pm.com Sep 06 04:28:08 droid was never on the pre Sep 06 04:28:49 wierd Sep 06 04:28:50 http://www.precentral.net/android-dual-booted-pre-hardware Sep 06 04:28:56 looks like it was to me Sep 06 04:29:00 brag Sep 06 04:29:01 brah Sep 06 04:29:18 Brah? Sep 06 04:29:24 You mean bras? Sep 06 04:29:39 bars! Sep 06 04:30:15 That makes even less sense Sep 06 04:30:40 lol you are correct..either way Sep 06 04:30:55 Either way.. Sep 06 04:30:57 whats the possibility of the veer running android as a dual boot? Sep 06 04:31:00 * Nilium goes back to writing code Sep 06 04:31:19 wtf... Sep 06 04:31:42 ? Sep 06 04:32:14 where did you come from... Sep 06 04:32:36 the land of android and missing my apps Sep 06 04:32:51 i hail from androidica Sep 06 04:33:34 * Nilium looks at his Droid 1 and curses its existence Sep 06 04:33:49 lol Sep 06 04:33:52 i had the G1 Sep 06 04:33:52 id just like to dual boot them like the pre…think it would be handy Sep 06 04:34:33 the premenstrual post you provided had a link didn't it? Sep 06 04:34:36 is Pre 2 good phone? Sep 06 04:34:44 Caleb: i have confirmed wtih reasonable certainty, that if you did in fact have a SkypeIn number, you could have you Google Voice forwarded to it, and that should work for voice calling in and out on the touchpad Sep 06 04:34:47 precentral....lol@ autocorrect Sep 06 04:35:16 EricBlade: might be worth paying for a number Sep 06 04:35:17 haha Sep 06 04:35:21 lol Sep 06 04:35:26 thast funny as hell Sep 06 04:35:27 but then Sep 06 04:35:35 a link to a script that is for the pre not the veer Sep 06 04:35:35 that defeats the purpose of google voice being free Sep 06 04:35:37 haha Sep 06 04:35:53 i need someone to adapt that ish for the world! Sep 06 04:36:11 premenstrual precentral…all sounds the same to me Sep 06 04:37:51 well boo Sep 06 04:38:24 EricBlade, did you look into how all those IPhone apps do this? Sep 06 04:38:47 im sure google has a way to do it Sep 06 04:38:58 caleb: well, i'd like to see it too, even though i hardly ever make voice calls, but the amount of work it would require, unless maybe perhaps the Android Google-Talk source is available, is probably not worth what i can make out of it Sep 06 04:39:15 PreAce: all which iphone apps do what? Sep 06 04:39:24 make google voice calls Sep 06 04:39:28 i thik Sep 06 04:39:31 think Sep 06 04:39:37 my brother's ipod touch does it Sep 06 04:39:43 Bugger, no cbnz on armv6 Sep 06 04:39:50 Have to use two instructions instead of one :( Sep 06 04:39:52 I think it uses google voice. not sure Sep 06 04:40:09 of course, another downside, is that the majority of webOS devices actually -are- phones, so you might as well just forward the google voice to your regular phone number Sep 06 04:40:32 or you could put android on it! http://www.precentral.net/android-dual-booted-pre-hardware Sep 06 04:40:35 come on Sep 06 04:40:37 !!! Sep 06 04:41:22 therealjizzy: I think most of those present don't care about putting Android on stuff Sep 06 04:41:30 so basically what the touchpad+ Pre3/Veer were supposed to do Sep 06 04:41:33 i realize that Sep 06 04:41:37 I'd like to put droid in a microwave Sep 06 04:41:44 * Nilium hands haydn his Droid Sep 06 04:41:46 Go hog wild. Sep 06 04:41:46 just like most of those present in the android forums dont care about hp devices lol Sep 06 04:41:53 does that count Nilium? Sep 06 04:41:55 therealjizzy you should go to the touchdown forums Sep 06 04:41:56 catch 22 Sep 06 04:42:10 touchdroid Sep 06 04:42:13 haydn: Technically you're putting it in something, but I'll allow it Sep 06 04:42:17 I might need to borrow a microwave as well.. Sep 06 04:42:24 Could always start a fire. Sep 06 04:42:34 yeah true Sep 06 04:42:42 they are probably very busy Sep 06 04:42:46 i would imagine Sep 06 04:42:48 Hey guys ^^ Sep 06 04:42:56 so are we Sep 06 04:43:10 making webOS a better place Sep 06 04:43:27 just a quick question. trying to google this myself but not getting the right query? --- my emulator is running perfectly, but the icons are MASSIVE Sep 06 04:43:28 http://o7.no/rpuNvA Sep 06 04:43:29 We're all busy trying to keep WebOS alive... not hacking droid on to our WebOS devices :) Sep 06 04:43:50 they should make it opensource and let the linux geeks have at it Sep 06 04:43:53 shit would be epic Sep 06 04:44:04 if anyone could tell me why they're so big, and how to make it so that it is not so big, would really be awesom. Sep 06 04:44:21 don't you think it might insult channel full of webOS developers if you asked them how to further invalidate their OS of choice?? Sep 06 04:44:49 anyone? Sep 06 04:44:52 i like webos alot Sep 06 04:44:58 i really hope it keeps going Sep 06 04:45:04 it has tons of potential Sep 06 04:45:08 Its an awesome os Sep 06 04:45:09 :) Sep 06 04:45:13 might be best if it was out of hps hands Sep 06 04:45:24 i ditched my iPhone and grabbed a bunch of webs phones ;P Sep 06 04:45:31 heh Sep 06 04:45:32 Caleb: and into whos? Sep 06 04:45:40 unlocking them in canada costs $40 tho :| Sep 06 04:45:42 someone who can do something with it Sep 06 04:45:50 htc maybe Sep 06 04:45:54 I NEED A PRE 3! Sep 06 04:45:57 ON SPRINT Sep 06 04:46:01 sorry to yell Sep 06 04:46:39 lol. they cost so much on ebay.. haven't found a place that sells them for at least $100-200 ~ Sep 06 04:47:21 I'd gladly pay a bill but is there even a cdma pre out there in the wild? Sep 06 04:47:34 all kinds Sep 06 04:47:35 would need to be to work on sprint Sep 06 04:47:44 pre 1/pre+ though Sep 06 04:47:51 so no one here knows why the emulator has massive icons? :( Sep 06 04:48:02 referring to Pre3 Shadyman Sep 06 04:48:04 PreAce: o Sep 06 04:48:19 PreAce: Well, I know that you could swap modems from the Pre/Pre+ and the Pre 2 Sep 06 04:48:29 but i doubt that feature carried over to the pre3 Sep 06 04:48:33 nope Sep 06 04:48:35 it did not Sep 06 04:49:31 so there is no hope of getting a pre3 on sprint? now I have to hold off until EricBlade finished his app or someone licenses this fantastic OS Sep 06 04:50:10 I will be fine with a Pre 2 myself Sep 06 04:50:59 preAce, i don't know of any iphone/ipod apps that actually let you use google voice and have them as an incoming device .. of course, again, an iphone could simply use it's own phone number. Sep 06 04:51:14 I feel like the Pre3 is the Pre my Pre should be like whereas the Pre2 is just a juiced up Pre Sep 06 04:51:16 cannot get a decent price for my budget, suddenlu people started selling them for more Sep 06 04:52:11 8GB Pre 3 does not have enough storage space Sep 06 04:52:18 eighthree: the emulator does run in 1024x768 ... Sep 06 04:52:43 sorry? Sep 06 04:53:07 EricBlade: my brother's app (something with text in the title) lets him send/receive texts and phonecalls but limits calls with minutes. don't think that's a G-Voice thing Sep 06 04:53:21 ericblade: not sure what you're saying? Sep 06 04:53:27 what do you mean _massive_? they tend to appear much larger on a regular display, simply because you're on a regular display Sep 06 04:53:40 look at this image: http://o7.no/rpuNvA Sep 06 04:54:01 thats what i mean "massive" lol Sep 06 04:54:05 ohhhhh phone emulator, my bad, i don't know nothin about phones Sep 06 04:54:23 lol that veer looks crowded Sep 06 04:54:34 its so bad, that even the menus look like this: http://o7.no/o8yMvU Sep 06 04:54:59 almost looks like it thinks it's running touchpad res Sep 06 04:55:06 yeah. Sep 06 04:55:51 do you have both emulators installed? Sep 06 04:57:00 and did you try simply reinstalling the sdk? Sep 06 04:58:06 i have both emulators installed, yep. Sep 06 04:58:23 let me try that again. Sep 06 05:02:44 aw. no luck :( Sep 06 05:05:03 not sure ochotres Sep 06 05:05:22 anyone know the copy paste shortcuts on the touchpad keyboard? Sep 06 05:07:49 as far as i know, none exist ;( Sep 06 05:08:35 * PatrickC_TP has a question for his beta testers.. but none of them are near.. :/ Sep 06 05:09:01 what app, PatrickC_TP? Sep 06 05:09:28 sexy wallpapers app? Sep 06 05:10:07 HattCzech: its called Your Radio Sep 06 05:10:25 i just haven't had a chance to even look at it, now i'm fixing and adding little crap to mine Sep 06 05:10:42 is it for touchpad? Sep 06 05:10:42 lol Sep 06 05:10:49 did you want more beta testers ? Sep 06 05:10:50 its ok, it wouldn't apply to you Eric :) Sep 06 05:11:05 eighthree: yes, its for the touchpad, and not right now. Sep 06 05:11:14 gotcha Sep 06 05:11:15 :) Sep 06 05:11:20 I will know by next Wednesday if I have more spots :) Sep 06 05:11:20 I think I need help Sep 06 05:11:41 PreWare: with what? Sep 06 05:12:19 PreAce* sorry Sep 06 05:12:26 * PatrickC_TP mumbles at auto-correct Sep 06 05:13:39 databases I think. I want to create dictionary but I'm not sure how. I've read bat NSDictionary on iOS but not sure how to use a webOS equivalent. I've been looking into local web storage Sep 06 05:13:54 bat=about Sep 06 05:16:26 you want to make the dictionary offline? Sep 06 05:16:31 or just read what's online? Sep 06 05:17:04 just an offline key/value database Sep 06 05:17:55 hmm.. I would just find a downloadable dictionary, and have the app read the contents of the dictionary file Sep 06 05:18:31 not a literal websters dictionary. like a custom dictionary. a database Sep 06 05:19:03 not for like words a definitions Sep 06 05:19:12 ahhh Sep 06 05:19:45 like an id and a corresponding string Sep 06 05:20:32 that I can't help with lol Sep 06 05:21:13 chpwn: I love pastie :) Sep 06 05:21:16 its awesome Sep 06 05:21:25 thanks for entertaining the idea of assisting me Sep 06 05:21:28 :) Sep 06 05:21:35 :) Sep 06 05:22:17 chpwn: you might want to check PM's :) Sep 06 05:22:31 anyone know of a webOS specific tutorial or example of using html5 local web storage Sep 06 05:24:17 PreAce: I don't think it works much differently on webOS than on other platforms Sep 06 05:25:07 PreAce: like localStorage? Sep 06 05:25:14 I believe it works just like it would on a website Sep 06 05:26:02 ok. I'll do more reading Sep 06 05:27:04 fxspec06_, Tibfib_, summatus-, Eric-Blade, matbee: please check your inbox. important email reguarding the beta program Sep 06 05:27:37 EricBlade* Sep 06 05:27:41 patrick, you have a website where your apps are promoted? wanna check out the stuff you've made Sep 06 05:27:50 same Sep 06 05:27:54 not atm Sep 06 05:27:59 I'm working on getting one up Sep 06 05:28:06 ah Sep 06 05:28:11 when its up, it'll be at http://awesomeapps.co.cc Sep 06 05:28:13 what about apps already in the store Sep 06 05:28:29 I'm good with HTML and kinda good with JS, but not good at all with CSS Sep 06 05:28:44 search for Patrick's App Creation (its my old company name) Sep 06 05:28:49 mine will reside at http://vul.pe Sep 06 05:28:51 my new company is Awesome Apps Sep 06 05:28:52 I'm good with my hands... Sep 06 05:28:56 but I'm just literally starting ;P Sep 06 05:29:00 PreAce: lol Sep 06 05:29:16 eighthree: I've been dev'ing in webOS for over a year, but just now starting to heavily dev Sep 06 05:29:46 I'm working on my first app and it's demoralizing Sep 06 05:29:57 PreAce: you'll get there :) Sep 06 05:31:42 PatrickC_TP: The whole firesale stuff slapped me in the face in terms of grabbing attention. Beyond Pre 2? and touchpad there arent really a lot of webs devices here Sep 06 05:36:00 The firesale slapped everyone in the face. :p Sep 06 05:36:34 ;D Sep 06 05:36:46 I'm really hoping that they set aside a small part of this next "batch" for developers. If it is as small as 100k-200k units, and they've already sold through 800k-900k... Then it's going to be a bitch to get one :B Sep 06 05:37:03 yeah, i hope so too. Sep 06 05:37:05 I still, still, can't find one. :( Sep 06 05:37:13 you haven't gotten a touchpad yet?? Sep 06 05:37:24 i -might- get another one.. but.. shoddy chances ;( Sep 06 05:37:27 Or at least one I can afford to spend the cash on. I can find plenty of them for 260+ but I don't have that cash to drop Sep 06 05:37:37 eighthree: nope! Not a single one Sep 06 05:37:59 which makes me frown when I hear of people getting like 10 of them just to get them because they're cheap and might run android in the future Sep 06 05:38:04 SineOt: damn :( well i'll see if i can get one here for you, just pay for shipping and exchange rate equivalency Sep 06 05:38:19 SineOt: but last i heard from the HP Store in Vancouver, they have a 700-900 people waitlist Sep 06 05:38:35 oh good lord, wth? Sep 06 05:38:48 my app's headless launcher is now talking to the log, and the main app isn't Sep 06 05:39:01 Yeah ;_; I missed a few chances by like a few minutes and had my fair share of internet orders cancelled on me after days upon days of nothing Sep 06 05:39:28 * rwhitby is still hoping for a 16GB Pre 3 ... Sep 06 05:40:10 rwhitby: are you in the UK? or something.. Sep 06 05:40:22 There's an 8GB Pre3? Seems... Dumb. The Veer is 8GB, yes? I know the Pixi is 8GB Sep 06 05:40:29 I wish they would launch the device in the US/Canada at least, even if just as unlocked phones :( Sep 06 05:41:29 he's a Canucks isn't he? Sep 06 05:41:33 Yeah, I know. I waited for months to hear news about the Pre3, and to hear that they won't release them in the US/Canada was really sad. The Pre3 seems like a really good device Sep 06 05:41:39 rwhitby is Australian :p Sep 06 05:42:30 oh it that jason then? Sep 06 05:42:49 I've heard from two local retailers that their upstream supplier in hong kong is still stating they will have 16GB Pre 3 next week. Sep 06 05:43:25 <|Jason8|> for $35? :D Sep 06 05:43:32 no, for AUD$700 Sep 06 05:44:06 heh the touchpad firesale has made people lose all sense of price Sep 06 05:44:19 $736.50?!?! Sep 06 05:44:22 destinal_: US folks never had a sense of handset price Sep 06 05:44:33 people still use phones with a physical keyboard? Sep 06 05:44:59 rwhitby: true, subsidization. it makes sense that handsets are more expensive than tablets, miniaturization costs.. Sep 06 05:45:20 but in US, yeah, our carriers pay a lot of it to get us on contracts Sep 06 05:45:34 to get control of your souls you mean ;) Sep 06 05:45:35 I forgot about the 2 year plan thing... Sep 06 05:46:30 crazy8: one of the sad things about losing HP as a phone hardware maker is they make phones with good keyboards -- seems to be a dying breed these days Sep 06 05:46:52 I can't use a phone without a physical keyboard. Sep 06 05:46:56 have you seen how absurd the subsidization on the new HTC tablet is through ATT? Even on 2 year contract, it's still 660$ or so D: Sep 06 05:47:02 grr ever since i changed version numbers on my app, my icons are all garbled. Sep 06 05:47:24 garbled? Sep 06 05:47:58 yeah looking like it's reading some random binary data instead of my image Sep 06 05:52:52 alllright, let's get some DoNotDisturb support in this app on it's first update too Sep 06 05:57:23 I'm off to bed all Sep 06 05:57:24 night Sep 06 06:07:46 things not to do: leave a PDK app running with the screen off Sep 06 06:07:56 that's one warm TP and one dead battery Sep 06 06:14:15 cxreg: what app? Sep 06 06:14:34 i think it was crusade of destiny Sep 06 06:14:48 haven't heard of it Sep 06 06:14:51 rpg Sep 06 06:14:52 it's ok Sep 06 06:14:56 I leave AB running all the time Sep 06 06:14:58 free? Sep 06 06:15:00 no Sep 06 06:15:19 that's why I haven't heard of it :) Sep 06 06:15:36 ha Sep 06 06:15:40 cheapskate ;) Sep 06 06:15:45 yep Sep 06 06:16:45 the only RPG I would think of buying would be Runescape... Sep 06 07:09:43 I'm impressed with myself. I am now crashing gcc. Sep 06 07:11:33 awesome Sep 06 07:12:24 crashing gcc?!? how? Sep 06 07:13:48 Looks like my atomic ops source is crashing as Sep 06 07:17:21 It looks like it's trying to call NULL based on what's visible of the stack in the crash report O_o Sep 06 07:17:27 But that doesn't make sense.. Sep 06 07:21:53 Looks like it hates this particular line: "\tcbnz %2, atomic_inc_loop\n" Sep 06 07:23:57 For some reason kismet cant find ncurses or pcap Sep 06 07:24:37 I've set LDFLAGS and CPPFLAGS Sep 06 07:24:52 gcc hasn't ever really been heralded for it's stability .. Sep 06 07:25:06 any of it's utilities fall down and go boom, and it goes too Sep 06 07:25:08 I think I might know what's wrong. Sep 06 07:28:31 Nope, that didn't fix anything Sep 06 07:29:41 It just really, really hates the idea of me using cbnz O_o Sep 06 07:30:04 The architecture should allow it as far as I know, but whatever Sep 06 07:30:32 what constraints are you using? Sep 06 07:30:42 [for %2] Sep 06 07:31:09 Oh, that might be it.. Sep 06 07:31:29 Yep. Sep 06 07:31:35 * Nilium smashes his head into a wall Sep 06 07:31:42 Thanks Sep 06 07:42:09 well i think it's safe to say that the SMS conversing abilities of my app are pretty good. Just had a 500-msg back-and-forth with a friend over the last several hours. Sep 06 07:42:38 Cool beans Sep 06 07:43:36 I'd never do that because I'm a jerk who doesn't socialize, but it's cool that it works well. Sep 06 07:44:38 my typing skill on the touchpad virtual keyboard is probably better than some of the engineers that built it by now Sep 06 07:45:07 thankfulyl though i get my bluetooth kbs tomorrow Sep 06 07:45:50 I can type pretty well on it, but that's probably 'cause I've been typing on my iPad for a good while now. Both 're really easy to sort of pseudo-touchtype on. Sep 06 09:20:08 Anyone used ScummVM on webos? Sep 06 09:20:33 Just wondering whether it's very usable with a finger, since you do need to be pretty accurate with clicking on things in those older games Sep 06 09:42:05 http://pastebin.com/fDBcQriy - that look like a good start on a colored usage bar? Sep 06 09:42:36 or am I completely doing this wrong Sep 06 10:22:26 zomg, there used to be a scummvm release, which i can't see anymore Sep 06 10:23:14 zomg, usability... depends on the game. the problem is the lack of distinction between click-drag and normal drag on a touchscreen. this affects older versions of SCUMM - anything before monkey island, which had a "what is" instruction to highlight things Sep 06 10:26:18 oh, there's a release directly on scummvm.org. worth a shot on pre3 Sep 06 10:28:20 hm, i see how they handled the click-drag issue. clever. ish. Sep 06 10:34:34 DoTT talkie seems fine. but no surprise, scummvm is the best software ever ever Sep 06 10:36:41 using a touchscreen as a rollerball feels wrong though Sep 06 10:54:41 meh, I can't work out how to extend a ProgressBar Sep 06 10:56:26 trying to make it taller and capable of changing colors and eventually a % completed... Sep 06 11:05:31 seems whenever I touch chrome : [] it breaks... Sep 06 11:23:59 heh, pretty sure this isn't how it's meant to be done, but, http://pastebin.com/YGPJgsiX Sep 06 11:24:01 it works Sep 06 12:09:00 oooh I think I'm getting this Sep 06 12:09:11 shame it's bed time Sep 06 12:14:19 damn you HP! Sep 06 12:15:17 Is there ANY hp store that ships to other countries? Sep 06 12:15:48 just remembered to take my netflix down to streaming only Sep 06 12:15:57 then had the bright idea to look into blockbuster by mail Sep 06 12:16:22 netflix streaming $7.99, netflix 1 disc + bluray $9.99 Sep 06 12:16:39 blockbuster 1 disc + bluray + streaming + game $9.99 Sep 06 12:16:59 ill keep netflix streaming and add blockbuster and pay the same as i would if i was netflix only and get more ;D Sep 06 12:25:22 Netflix finally decided they weren't charging enough.. Sep 06 12:26:21 yep Sep 06 13:36:28 dawm: blockbuster started their new streaming service? Sep 06 13:37:00 well streaming rental Sep 06 13:37:09 not the same as netflix streaming Sep 06 13:37:20 world wide? Sep 06 13:37:26 oh, I don't like streaming rental Sep 06 13:37:50 I read they are launching a streaming service soon though. Sep 06 13:37:55 still blockbusters 1 disc(game/bluray/instore exchange) for $9.99 is better than netflix 1 disc(bluray) for $9.99 Sep 06 13:37:56 like an all you can eat like netflix does. Sep 06 13:38:18 all the blockbusters around me have shut down Sep 06 13:38:19 ill keep the netflix streaming since ive got it on xbox,tivo and ps3 Sep 06 13:38:22 so instore exchange is pretty useless Sep 06 13:38:32 hah plenty around me :P Sep 06 13:38:37 i dont play games, and netflix has a better UX than blockbuster Sep 06 13:38:39 lucky. Sep 06 13:38:39 We haven't had a red envelope in the mail in a year.. just stream Sep 06 13:38:41 I miss them Sep 06 13:38:42 lol Sep 06 13:39:13 khaystus: yeah I use the streaming a ton, it doesn't have all the new movies, it has some, but it has something whenever I need to be entertained Sep 06 13:39:22 I even bought a roku player to watch it on my tv. Sep 06 13:40:04 Only thing that bugs me is we'll stream a movie for the kid, she'll want to watch it a week later and it's gone Sep 06 13:40:39 I haven't even noticed that they cycle them. didn't know that. Sep 06 13:40:49 at least they have a "for kids" tab now. Sep 06 13:41:24 I love netflix and all, but I wouldn't want tow ork for them. I hear they are an awful company to be an engineer at. high turnover. Sep 06 13:42:09 id rather pay the same and get a bit more than get the same + paying more than i was Sep 06 13:43:40 the only thing you get more is instore exchange and game rental right? Sep 06 13:44:58 yeah Sep 06 13:45:09 but with instore i can get stuff that just came out Sep 06 13:46:17 yeah I guess thats worth it Sep 06 13:46:26 for me it's not because there are no stores around me Sep 06 13:46:49 which is odd since i live in dfw area where blockbuster's hq is i believe. Sep 06 13:46:56 whatup homies Sep 06 13:47:10 not much matbee. Sep 06 13:48:31 im losing my mind Sep 06 13:48:40 how come Sep 06 13:48:49 ive been TRYING to get this company to buy me a new computer for the past 9 months Sep 06 13:48:52 they finally did Sep 06 13:49:06 ahh sweet. my touchpad case from hp comes today. Sep 06 13:49:08 and they're taking their sweet ass time getting it ready Sep 06 13:49:19 yet my friend who just started now has a new computer Sep 06 13:49:21 so im like, wtf. Sep 06 13:49:27 GET ME A FKN COMPUTEr Sep 06 14:23:41 I have a stupid question Sep 06 14:23:49 I added a new email account on my TP Sep 06 14:23:56 how do I get it to show up on my pre? Sep 06 14:33:42 add it to the pre Sep 06 14:33:49 they dont sync like that Sep 06 14:34:07 force a backup on the TP then restore the pre and it might show up ;p Sep 06 14:44:59 * halfhalo yawns way to freaking early in the morning Sep 06 14:53:03 * halfhalo thinks its time to put this air to the test Sep 06 15:28:59 so whatsup Sep 06 15:44:09 touchpad case is here. woohoo Sep 06 15:47:04 Where did you order the case? Sep 06 15:50:03 amazon Sep 06 15:52:36 it's the one hp makes though Sep 06 15:52:59 i went to walmart with office depot printout saying it was 19.99 Sep 06 15:53:32 i think i paid 29 Sep 06 15:57:11 u got ripped Sep 06 16:11:10 this is super nice. finally took the plastic off. Sep 06 16:16:08 Is anyone able to access the 1.4 App Catalog? It's been MIA for me for several days, and I'm not sure if it's something on my end or what Sep 06 16:25:59 Hi all Sep 06 16:26:38 hi Sep 06 16:30:47 hi Sep 06 16:34:26 hmm Sep 06 16:41:14 * haydnh is off to DHL to post a Pre3... back later Sep 06 17:16:26 morning. Sep 06 17:16:38 it's awful quiet here this morning. everyone still hung over? Sep 06 17:27:31 boop Sep 06 17:27:35 you bet Sep 06 17:27:41 im so tired Sep 06 17:29:21 im so furious Sep 06 17:29:29 broke my pre2 screen Sep 06 17:37:08 hey friends Sep 06 17:37:14 long time no IRC Sep 06 17:39:45 UDONTSAY Sep 06 17:43:52 hm Sep 06 17:44:29 tried jo for first time today. looked some kind of ugly. Sep 06 17:44:40 want enyo open sourced. Sep 06 17:46:29 dum de dum... Sep 06 17:49:17 Hello folks :) Sep 06 17:59:45 hello #webos Sep 06 18:00:00 YO OIL Sep 06 18:00:26 hows it goin? Sep 06 18:01:07 the monkeys.... oh god the monkeys Sep 06 18:01:49 have to watch out for them tricky simians Sep 06 18:02:22 as long as they dont grow wings i think we're ok Sep 06 18:02:45 as soon as you say that I have that song running through my head Sep 06 18:02:47 blair's after death sauce is great with noodles Sep 06 18:02:48 stupid question. where on the touchpad would apps save data? Sep 06 18:04:09 PreAce: a number of spots, depending on type of app and how the dev wanted to do it Sep 06 18:04:34 sdk apps are going to be html5db, ext:html5db, cookie, localstorage, db8 Sep 06 18:04:51 pdk usually just writes to a file in media/internal or their app folder Sep 06 18:06:35 I am trying to use local storage. do you know where would that be saved? Sep 06 18:07:02 actually, i dont Sep 06 18:07:58 why would you what to access the on filesystem datastore for localstorage? Sep 06 18:08:09 s/what/want/ Sep 06 18:08:35 backup high scores? Sep 06 18:09:06 I wanted to use local storage to create a key/value database and I wanted to actually see it to make sure I did it right Sep 06 18:09:30 enyo or mojo? Sep 06 18:09:35 enyo Sep 06 18:09:38 then just inspect it thru the brower, I think trying to look at the file and figure it out is more pain than thats worth Sep 06 18:09:41 chrome Sep 06 18:10:13 the inspector is great for that stuff Sep 06 18:10:20 I've been trying to use SDK with eclipse Sep 06 18:10:42 fix the path in your index.html to point to where the sdk installed the enyo source Sep 06 18:10:51 and you can run your app in the browser Sep 06 18:10:56 assuming its not a pdk hybrid Sep 06 18:11:02 its not Sep 06 18:12:22 then you're good to go Sep 06 18:12:32 * oilsworkn makes tacobell "good to go" hand gesture Sep 06 18:14:05 ok, guys, i went and setup a blog as a support site for my upcoming google voice app.. so, feel free to do whatever damage you might .. ;) http://ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/ Sep 06 18:16:25 wordpress Sep 06 18:16:28 keep it up to date Sep 06 18:18:00 and yeah i'm aware it's really slow right now, my server is suffering from a massive spam attack on another site that I (used to) host Sep 06 18:18:28 sucks Sep 06 18:20:16 yeah i don't normally look too much at my logs because my other sites only get a few hundred hits a week or so. i happened to run a log review just befoer i set this up, so i can assess the new pages, and noticed i'd transmitted 12gigs of data in the last week. i almost immediately had to yell for my brown pants. Sep 06 18:21:00 the jigabits be being stolen! Sep 06 18:21:08 * oilsworkn blames halfhalo Sep 06 18:21:18 * halfhalo blames himself as well Sep 06 18:24:56 * oilsworkn needs lunch to start already, im about to fall asleep at my desk Sep 06 18:25:46 hah Sep 06 18:25:56 * halfhalo gets lunch whenever he wants it Sep 06 18:26:08 oilsworkn, you'll fall asleep after you eat lunch Sep 06 18:26:11 the joys of being jobless? Sep 06 18:26:19 * halfhalo has yob Sep 06 18:26:41 NuttyBunny: depends Sep 06 18:26:45 on how much is eaten Sep 06 18:26:53 too much = nap Sep 06 18:27:03 dammit. now I want taco bell. Sep 06 18:27:11 its... good to go? Sep 06 18:27:43 ... Sep 06 18:28:04 * oilsworkn must be the only one who remembers those commercials Sep 06 18:31:15 hmmm Sep 06 18:31:32 there is a weinershitzle within walking distance. Debating going there now... Sep 06 18:31:43 sounds... delicious? Sep 06 18:31:57 5 chili dogs for 5 bucks. its win/win. Sep 06 18:33:53 or chipotle... Sep 06 18:34:35 food? where? Sep 06 18:35:13 MINE Sep 06 18:36:56 man...I just read some source code of how someone else did what I want to do... Sep 06 18:37:18 I think I just quit... Sep 06 18:37:27 halfhalo: don't go to Taco Bell! Sep 06 18:37:46 NuttyBunny: unless you have food stamps Sep 06 18:37:47 NuttyBunny but it somewhat resembles food! Sep 06 18:38:19 halfhalo, yeah, somewhat ;) Sep 06 18:38:37 NuttyBunny: http://gothamist.com/2011/09/06/taco_bell_and_kfc_want_a_piece_of_t.php Sep 06 18:40:15 Tommy: oh shit, you guys are screwed! Sep 06 18:40:23 Did you see Food Inc. ? Sep 06 18:40:29 no Sep 06 18:40:37 you really should Sep 06 18:42:04 * PreAce runs his face into the wall Sep 06 18:43:56 sugardave, ping? Sep 06 18:43:56 don't do that, you might hurt the wall! Sep 06 18:46:44 dolphins shock patriots 35-21 is the headline tuesday Sep 06 18:50:21 hahahahahaha Sep 06 18:51:30 just saying Sep 06 18:52:08 doubtful Sep 06 18:52:25 lmao obviously Sep 06 18:54:52 11:26 < halfhalo> 5 chili dogs for 5 bucks. its win/win. Sep 06 18:54:56 oh god... that's not win/win Sep 06 18:54:58 that's lose/lose Sep 06 18:55:07 SHUT YOUR TRAP Sep 06 18:55:14 Pardon my ignorance, wtf is chili dog? Sep 06 18:55:19 enjoy your mystery meat salt lick with beans Sep 06 18:55:24 a hot dog with chili on it Sep 06 18:55:40 That sound weird. Sep 06 18:55:50 Do you guys have hot-dogs in Ikea too? Sep 06 18:55:55 they are amazingness Sep 06 18:56:07 dunno, can honestly say I have never been in an ikea Sep 06 18:56:08 we have their meatballs at ikea Sep 06 18:56:24 which has to be better than a hotdog Sep 06 18:56:36 Yeah, meatballs are nice too. Sep 06 18:57:33 http://www.grubgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Original-Chili-Dog-from-Wienerschnitzel.jpg Sep 06 18:57:36 that is the grossness Sep 06 18:57:58 yum Sep 06 18:58:17 I like the applecake from ikea Sep 06 18:58:18 and "that wienerschnitzel was great" may get you weird looks Sep 06 18:58:20 But here we have hotdogs for like $.5 and you can stuff as much pickles and roasted onion as possible. Sep 06 18:58:23 It's fucking awesome. Sep 06 18:58:53 The way I eat it it's roasted onion and pickles with hot-dog. Sep 06 18:59:03 I guess we know halfhalo is a card carrying member of the weiner lover club Sep 06 18:59:15 rofl Sep 06 18:59:15 nono, just cheap food lover Sep 06 18:59:22 hence why i like taco bell as well Sep 06 18:59:38 .99 bean burritos Sep 06 18:59:43 EXACTLY Sep 06 18:59:44 (not making this up by the way -- wienerschnitzel.fbmta.com ) Sep 06 19:00:22 taco bell $1 bean burrito >>>> weinerschnitzel $1 chili dog Sep 06 19:01:40 I havent seen a weinerschnitzel place in like 15 years Sep 06 19:02:00 it must be lunch time. Sep 06 19:02:17 wrea: you don't want to :P Sep 06 19:02:37 lol Sep 06 19:05:11 I like jack in the box tacos too Sep 06 19:06:11 they deep fry those. Sep 06 19:06:34 Duh Sep 06 19:06:36 lol Sep 06 19:06:50 wifie asked me why they were so good.. Sep 06 19:06:53 she didnt know. Sep 06 19:09:33 hello everybody Sep 06 19:09:40 hello Sep 06 19:09:59 whats up preace Sep 06 19:10:43 ugh I cant get my main email on my schools network. OR connect to IRC Sep 06 19:10:51 =( Sep 06 19:12:05 contemplating quitting. you? Sep 06 19:22:07 I can't connect to efnet at work Sep 06 19:22:09 :| Sep 06 19:22:17 I've seen commercials for jack in the box but never a store Sep 06 19:22:23 in S.Fl Sep 06 19:24:08 Hello! Mind anyone helping me out getting started? I've got the hp webos sdk 2.1 and virtual box. installed both, confirmed successful java installation, installed eclipse plugin and created hello world application. But I've trouble running it - I can't configure the run configuration properly :(. Sep 06 20:11:05 I need an enyo ninja, who can help? Sep 06 20:12:22 SALES REPORT IS OUT Sep 06 20:12:28 **************! Sep 06 20:18:46 NuttyBunny you and me both - took me 2 hours to conjour up a custom progress control :D Sep 06 20:24:15 which sales report? Sep 06 20:24:18 fx Sep 06 20:24:20 fxspec06_ ? Sep 06 20:24:37 NuttyBunny: I have a few minutes Sep 06 20:24:43 Aoi-re: Hi Aoi, are you still here? Sep 06 20:24:52 sugardave: cool, thanks.. pm :) Sep 06 20:25:04 sure Sep 06 20:27:18 sugardave: \ 0 / Sep 06 20:27:24 ls -al Sep 06 20:27:56 the monthly one Sep 06 20:28:15 for apps Sep 06 20:31:49 Bmyers: hey hey Sep 06 20:32:14 how's tricks? Sep 06 20:32:48 still tricky Sep 06 20:33:10 smoke break before cracking this last major nut on this app Sep 06 20:33:25 thought u quit? Sep 06 20:33:40 (smoking) Sep 06 20:34:07 yeah, I did...then I quit quitting Sep 06 20:34:19 I will probably flip-flop again soon Sep 06 20:34:21 just quitting everything Sep 06 20:34:42 didnt have u pegged as such a quitter Sep 06 20:55:22 a little background: this file is created by the eucalyptus cloud management software. These volumes are shared out via iscsi to running instances. in #eucalyptus they tell me that they're lvm volumes and I should be able to mount with lvcreate -ay Sep 06 21:15:34 i gotta say after some time using my touchpad Sep 06 21:15:42 i'm a bit disappointed by the display Sep 06 21:15:53 how so? Sep 06 21:16:17 that 'rainbow' prism effect that almost all LCDs have right? well it's usually not bad, but on the touchpad it's pretty annoying Sep 06 21:16:38 oh, when it gets wet or whatever? Sep 06 21:17:06 no like on a white background, you can see it, just if there's a water on it it magnifies the effect, yea Sep 06 21:17:41 it's on most displays but it's not so bad, like older displays it was worse Sep 06 21:17:52 oh, I've only ever noticed it if there's water on the screen Sep 06 21:18:31 i notice it with pure white backgrounds, doesn't look smooth white Sep 06 21:18:49 looks obvious there's thousands of pixels there trying to make the color white or whatever Sep 06 21:19:58 how far do you hold your tablet usually? Sep 06 21:20:26 because the further it is away and the brightness and all that make a difference Sep 06 21:21:12 not too far away, it's usually on my lap, on a table, or at about mid-torso Sep 06 21:24:36 but yea my macbook's display is wayyy better than the touchpads Sep 06 21:25:36 omg the display is .0000001 % warped!!!! Sep 06 21:25:42 it makes a DOUBLE RAINBOW Sep 06 21:26:50 it makes reading on it not so fun Sep 06 21:27:54 never noticed Sep 06 21:50:12 hey, a wircer Sep 06 21:50:37 hi ;-) Sep 06 21:50:51 hello Sep 06 22:04:04 sugardave: you still around? Sep 06 22:04:38 ever since he started working for hp he has been a ghost Sep 06 22:04:45 i know, right? Sep 06 22:05:14 him and roy-pre101 never shoot the shit with us anymore :( Sep 06 22:05:16 i'm struggling with this contact list... the peoplepicker works fine, but i want more :/ Sep 06 22:05:40 nobody on the forums has responded, either Sep 06 22:05:51 (which is why i don't usually post on there) :) Sep 06 22:07:24 so webos lives on @ HP Sep 06 22:07:29 just the hardware division is dead Sep 06 22:10:27 bah, forums. Sep 06 22:10:58 god dang that touchdroid room is very juvinial Sep 06 22:11:06 yup Sep 06 22:14:25 bunch of 12 year olds? Sep 06 22:15:09 anyone here played with contacts in webos3? Sep 06 22:16:39 which touchpad channel? Sep 06 22:18:57 hmm. kismet says the kernel is too old to support mac80211 and therefore wont use libnl Sep 06 22:19:17 sugardave: Thanks! I made it work with the handlers inside the kind! :D Sep 06 22:19:37 oilsworkn: I'd shoot shit with you! What caliber are we using today? Sep 06 22:21:56 i guess when webos becomes the 9to5 you dont exactly want to talk about it when you're off the clock Sep 06 22:22:45 roy-pre101: 9mm Sep 06 22:22:55 the last thing i want to do when i get off work is talk about work Sep 06 22:22:57 NuttyBunny: what were you trying to do? Sep 06 22:23:07 haeffb: Seems like overkill. :) Sep 06 22:23:10 oilsworkn: you must not like your job ;) Sep 06 22:23:21 .380 ? Sep 06 22:23:28 .22 ? Sep 06 22:23:37 Things got busy long before I went to Palm so I just wasn't in the habit of keeping up. I should check in more often. Sep 06 22:23:45 * haeffb has just run out of calibers Sep 06 22:24:02 so roy-pre101... maybe you can answer my question... :) Sep 06 22:24:10 HattCzech: Maybe... Sep 06 22:24:19 can i access contacts w/o using the peoplepicker? Sep 06 22:24:36 HattCzech: http://bit.ly/nI8Yxd Sep 06 22:24:54 hahahaah, nice oilsworkn Sep 06 22:24:59 actually, its pretty nice here Sep 06 22:25:18 but its not like i would do this for free Sep 06 22:25:19 say i want to put a list in a vflexlayout on the left of my screen Sep 06 22:25:26 and by this, i mean, waste time on the internet all day Sep 06 22:25:32 excellent :) Sep 06 22:25:47 i've been getting to do fun stuff at my job lately Sep 06 22:26:03 i was hoping to use pre3's at the office, but hp destroys dreams Sep 06 22:26:03 i like the writing code and solving problems part of my job Sep 06 22:26:18 fixing broken shit or other peoples mistakes is not fun though Sep 06 22:26:20 so we're using android phones now :( Sep 06 22:26:36 oilsworkn: i've done that before, and i definitely agree Sep 06 22:27:38 NuttyBunny: ... what did sugardave help you do? Sep 06 22:28:06 HattCzech: create a canvas kind with handler functions embedded Sep 06 22:28:21 ahhh okay Sep 06 22:28:39 i'm trying to figure out how to get access to content of another kind... Sep 06 22:28:45 so i thought what you were doing might help Sep 06 22:28:53 so is there a way to get the alarm app to show individual days of the week? i need a different alarm on wednesdays Sep 06 22:29:11 Max Blocker patch is failing, maintainer is listed as "webosinternals" - who do I email the log to? :) Sep 06 22:29:33 (can't remove, can't update) Sep 06 22:30:04 jhojho Sep 06 22:33:36 hm, yes, on the forums, but needs 2.2ifying Sep 06 22:36:51 HattCzech: you need to access content INSIDE other kinds? Sep 06 22:37:01 you have to publish the values Sep 06 22:37:09 then you can get and set them Sep 06 22:37:14 basically... or i need another way to access the information Sep 06 22:37:33 no, that's the way you do it :) Sep 06 22:37:47 it's a palm kind, so i can't quite do that Sep 06 22:38:19 aaaaaaah.. oops :D Sep 06 22:39:55 yeah, the peoplePicker does not give me what i want... but i wouldn't mind piggybacking the content of it Sep 06 22:41:54 heh, can't find "hosts" or "hosts.rej" even through xterm / find -name "hosts.rej" Sep 06 22:42:39 and just as i was wondering about a better libpurple build, i stumble onto that on the forums too Sep 06 22:42:42 how do I tell preware a package has been manually removed? Sep 06 22:44:47 compared to a pre or ple plus. how difficult is it to disassemble a veer? Sep 06 23:05:00 commcommunities app looks pretty sweeet Sep 06 23:11:08 brb Sep 06 23:11:13 is there any sort of inspector i can use in the emulator? Sep 06 23:11:27 like the good old days? Sep 06 23:12:56 There, now I only need one client connected :D Sep 06 23:55:03 howdy folks! Sep 06 23:57:26 so does the pre3 forward txt msgs to the touchpad (can anyone here speak to that?) Sep 06 23:57:31 So who is approving apps these days Sep 06 23:58:43 hmm still no approval for me Sep 06 23:58:48 one week today Sep 06 23:59:03 (that's seven whole days in case anyone was wondering ;)) Sep 07 00:00:19 hey all Sep 07 00:01:41 so sounds like noone.. ;^) Sep 07 00:01:44 blizz5243: hiya! Sep 07 00:02:14 185 ghosts Sep 07 00:02:23 I'm doctoring my touchpad for the first time.. scary/exciting! Sep 07 00:02:47 ajay: yes it does Sep 07 00:02:54 i don't have a pre3....... but yes it does. Sep 07 00:03:23 hmmm boxnet files end up on the file system.... how does one access dropbox files Sep 07 00:03:36 also it looks like barely any apps have been reviewed in last two days. didn't i say wednesday was the magic day? Sep 07 00:03:38 tp works tethered to android , atnleast in some cases Sep 07 00:04:14 fxspec06: having trouble finding anyone online to confirm sms forwarding from tp->pre3 Sep 07 00:04:17 err, v.v. Sep 07 00:05:05 fxspec06: Ok found one.. wonder if anyone is working on getting that to work Sep 07 00:06:04 blizz5243: woa i just read that.. crazy that an android phone can work better tethered to the TP than my pre2 :( Sep 07 00:06:32 webos 2.2 is the only version of webos that supports text message forwarding Sep 07 00:06:38 the pre 3 ships with webos v2.2 Sep 07 00:06:43 yea that stinks, sms works perfect calls are a lil unreliable on evo 4g Sep 07 00:08:03 calls are a little unreliable altogether, if you ask me :() Sep 07 00:08:11 (on the touchpad) Sep 07 00:09:08 unreliable.. how? Sep 07 00:09:38 the touchpad acts as a bluetooth speaker. it is as reliable as your cell phone and service provider. Sep 07 00:09:43 fxspec06: cuts out a bit is my main issue. there could be many reasons for this Sep 07 00:09:59 fxspec06: i wish! :) Sep 07 00:10:14 I never have problems with my bluetooth headset Sep 07 00:10:40 i also can't seem to figure out how to transfer a call i made from the touchpad (via skype) to my VzPre2 Sep 07 00:11:04 i also can't seem to figure out how to transfer a call i made from the touchpad (via skype) to my VzPre2 Sep 07 00:11:57 hmm, there's a gv text app it seems.. too bad screenshots aren't working on the website, curious to check it out.. too bad it doesn't support calls.. (hopefully someone's working on a voogle replacement!) Sep 07 00:13:05 t-pad does a great job with being handsfree Sep 07 00:13:13 just wish it'd hook up to my phone :( Sep 07 00:13:33 or if i could figure out how to get my gVoice calls/txts to forward to my TP (sans phone cxn) that'd be clean Sep 07 00:14:39 any sdl webos developers here? when i open videomode as 768x1024, the framebuffer is oriented upside down (camera on bottom, home key on top)... anyway to straighten it without resorting to doing rotations myself Sep 07 00:18:18 are you using SDL cinema ? Sep 07 00:18:40 or just getting the framebuffer ? Sep 07 00:18:51 hmm, i guess i can't just throw any old image as the bootlogo.tga Sep 07 00:19:02 just plain old framebuffer SDL_SetVideoMode(768, 1024, 32, 0) Sep 07 00:19:41 but first, is the "correct" way to hold the tablet indeed with camera on top? Sep 07 00:19:45 seems more logical to me Sep 07 00:20:46 yeah i'd say home button at the bottom is correct Sep 07 00:22:27 so why do you say it's flipped ? Sep 07 00:23:22 emit: weird, when i just grab random sdl apps and port them they always seem to be oriented properly.. Sep 07 00:23:32 in portrait mode? Sep 07 00:23:57 emit: you're saying in portrait mode, the (0,0) is in the bottom left ? Sep 07 00:23:59 do you have urls to any open source ones i can take a look at Sep 07 00:24:27 bpadalino: bottom right Sep 07 00:24:43 x increases towards left y increases towards top.. Sep 07 00:24:57 ah, so flipped in all directions.. Sep 07 00:25:55 is there some repository for webos's sdl port Sep 07 00:26:42 emit: opensource.palm.com has the patches they apply Sep 07 00:27:25 ok thanks i will take a look at what they are doing.. Sep 07 00:39:15 I got a touchstone in case i got a hold of a phone from the oem shop through amazon. Came today and it was opened and was missing the usb cable and ac adapter. Amazon is refunding me in full and I dont have to return it Sep 07 00:41:07 wrea: the cable for the touchstone is built in Sep 07 00:41:19 at leat mine was Sep 07 00:44:01 hmm Sep 07 00:44:25 mine micro usb. Sep 07 00:44:47 I have the usb from my touchpad now that i have the touchstone for it Sep 07 00:47:37 has anyone had issues with loading videos on their TP (or even phone?) like that the filenames+thumnails don't show/ Sep 07 00:47:37 ? Sep 07 00:48:49 ajay: mp4's? Sep 07 00:49:54 avis converted to mpegs, yes Sep 07 00:50:19 i'm also trying to remember how to do these bootlogo.tgas.. is it dimensions or compression or size that matter? Sep 07 00:57:16 sup Sep 07 00:57:39 hi Sep 07 01:03:04 darn Sep 07 01:03:14 kesne_: Who are you... Sep 07 01:03:17 Oh Sep 07 01:03:18 Wait Sep 07 01:03:19 That's me! Sep 07 01:03:25 Heh Sep 07 01:03:27 Oops Sep 07 01:03:33 * Khaytsus blinks Sep 07 01:03:33 fail. Sep 07 01:03:36 lol Sep 07 01:06:15 how big is your /media/internal partition on the 32GB tp folks? Sep 07 01:07:35 28ish? Sep 07 01:07:43 Does it matter? Sep 07 01:08:23 YES IT MATTERS Sep 07 01:11:45 Khaytsus: yes, I just partitioned to create space for the ext3 partition, but it's not in use, and i need to know if it took the space out of the usb drive or not.. (and incidentally if it did, why didn't it wipe my usb drive) Sep 07 01:17:24 weird how some apps just show failed to download.. leaves me only wondering why Sep 07 01:18:03 what's the equivelant of Mojo.appPath in enyo Sep 07 01:21:30 fxspec06: enyo.fetchAppRootPath() Sep 07 01:23:19 hey, a wircer Sep 07 01:25:58 you using the latest version? Sep 07 01:27:08 today in the HP App Catalog! A fart app. That works in Exhibition mode. Sep 07 01:27:18 lol Sep 07 01:27:23 sounds like iOS to me.. Sep 07 01:27:25 EricBlade: Yes! We're on our way to being competitive w/ iOS! Sep 07 01:27:35 ^^ Sep 07 01:27:37 IT WORKS IN EXHIBITION MODE! Sep 07 01:28:06 thanks tib. Sep 07 01:28:06 * ajay just learned the meme "this" Sep 07 01:28:22 BTW: where are all these undocumented functions Sep 07 01:28:39 tehere's a ZILLION of them. and they not in the api. or i just miss them i guess. Sep 07 01:28:53 who's using the latest wirc? Sep 07 01:28:53 do i need to look inside native apps Sep 07 01:31:12 also today on the HP App Catalog.. writing Android apps for dummies. Sep 07 01:31:51 There are some things that HP should just decline on principles alone. Along with a note back to the dev "Really? Did you think this would get approved?" Sep 07 01:35:46 fxspec06: that was documented Sep 07 01:35:52 I looked at the docs to find that function for you. Sep 07 01:36:02 under system.js Sep 07 01:36:29 letmefinditinthedocsforyou.com? Sep 07 01:36:54 :hifive: Sep 07 01:37:00 sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Sep 07 01:37:08 i need to let the docs become me Sep 07 01:37:30 * Tibfib LIVES in the docs Sep 07 01:37:39 damn adobe reader failed to reload so i deleted it, now i don't know how to install it. guh Sep 07 01:38:05 * oil finds the docs not to be enough Sep 07 01:38:10 * oil searches through framework source Sep 07 01:38:12 they so huge i cant find everything because i dont know where it is. is there a way to search them Sep 07 01:38:13 oil: what is lacking? Sep 07 01:38:20 some pages are just blank Sep 07 01:38:24 or im using an old version Sep 07 01:38:25 ah, yeah Sep 07 01:38:27 that's annoying Sep 07 01:38:33 BUT the docs are awesome Sep 07 01:38:38 that and i need to search them Sep 07 01:38:42 they are pretty awesome. Sep 07 01:38:46 they are taken directly from the source, so stuff isn't missed Sep 07 01:38:47 fxspec06: this page Sep 07 01:38:48 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html Sep 07 01:38:50 and ctrl+f Sep 07 01:38:53 search is very much needed Sep 07 01:39:01 * Tibfib uses local files Sep 07 01:39:06 that page is all-in-one Sep 07 01:39:09 ya me too Sep 07 01:39:12 for easy ctrl+f'ing Sep 07 01:39:15 but, good to know Sep 07 01:39:17 oil: thanks for link Sep 07 01:39:19 bookmakred Sep 07 01:39:23 which sounds dirty when said out loud Sep 07 01:39:25 ditto Sep 07 01:39:32 bookmark? Sep 07 01:39:37 * oil just searches "enyo api docs" Sep 07 01:39:38 first result Sep 07 01:39:39 lol Sep 07 01:39:47 im feelin lucky on that one Sep 07 01:43:34 lol. i would never think to search for that Sep 07 01:44:14 lmao. good one. next time i want to blame you for something, i'll cut you a break. but for just one time Sep 07 01:44:42 how are the apps on the TP that play .AVIs? Sep 07 01:44:56 KalemSoft is the way to go Sep 07 01:45:20 but it's not free Sep 07 01:45:40 i thought kalemsoft streamed from desktop? Sep 07 01:46:16 it can play local files as well Sep 07 01:46:22 ahh i see it does more, but i don't see avi mentioned Sep 07 01:46:35 I've played avi on it Sep 07 01:47:39 Satellite: how does it compare to the built-in player, as good/better or? Sep 07 01:47:52 I liked it enough to buy a license for it Sep 07 01:48:02 built-in player doesn't do avi afaik Sep 07 01:48:07 or mkv Sep 07 01:48:11 or any format that I actually use Sep 07 01:49:03 touchplayer in preware? Sep 07 01:49:03 Satellite: yeah i don't think it does play those.. i was wondering more in terms of interface Sep 07 01:49:12 i downloaded it, but haven't tried to use it yet Sep 07 01:49:22 the interface is ok Sep 07 01:50:05 Satellite: is it a webOS-y interface? Sep 07 01:50:12 nah not really Sep 07 01:50:27 they have a demo on the site Sep 07 01:50:29 try it out Sep 07 01:50:38 sooo. I'm working on koto enyo Sep 07 01:50:50 i'm on the site, but don't see a demo, hrmm.. Sep 07 01:51:10 oh found it.. Sep 07 01:51:20 http://www.kalemsoft.com/site/demos/com.kalemsoft.ksmplayera_0.3.7_tp.ipk Sep 07 01:52:11 i'm looking to load this for a [prospective] client, so can't suggest loading an ipk unfortunately :) Sep 07 01:53:02 has anyone ever had videos they loaded not show thumbnails/filenames in the builtin player? Sep 07 01:55:18 it's an interesting approach to offer a demo through a downloadable .ipk on your website, which i assume most users wouldn't know what to do with.. (actually i'm curious how many active webOS users use Preware, stats-wise) Sep 07 01:55:30 annnnnnnnnnnnddd I lost motivation to work on koto enyo Sep 07 01:55:53 yay enyo metrix Sep 07 01:55:57 so much work for an uncertain future. Sep 07 01:56:21 ajay: i'd say a lot.. Sep 07 01:56:38 * oil enjoys using mojo koto Sep 07 01:56:44 toucnplayer Sep 07 01:56:52 but i have no idea. i am unaffiliated w/ webosinternals. but... i'd say 15% of all webos users use it Sep 07 01:57:05 at least. easy. maybe 30 - 50% Sep 07 01:57:11 fxspec06: more everyday i'm sure Sep 07 01:57:14 &&&&&&&&&&& mojo koto ROCKSSSSSSSSSS Sep 07 01:57:25 touchplayer exits Immediately upon play of video for  e Sep 07 01:57:43 that's mean: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-news/296578-800k-900k-touchpad-sold-100k-coming-oct-7.html#post3132097 Sep 07 02:00:02 nappy is an odd fellow. occasionally i agree with him.. but a lot of the times his "opinions" are just his own trollfest Sep 07 02:00:17 i really don't even get why he posts on precentral. -.- Sep 07 02:01:32 woo Sep 07 02:03:30 yay Sep 07 02:03:35 building apps in ubuntu chroot isn't as easy as i expected.. hrmm.. Sep 07 02:05:16 interesting how HP keeps a TouchPad profile and a separate Pre Profile.. hrmm.. Sep 07 02:05:52 so I think I'm going to buy the htc radar Sep 07 02:06:58 * oil slaps tibfib Sep 07 02:07:03 or possibly the titan Sep 07 02:07:09 I want a new phone Sep 07 02:07:18 and pre3 doesn't look like it is coming my way anytime soon. Sep 07 02:07:37 I just bought a pre2 Sep 07 02:07:47 * oil just made a sprint pre2 Sep 07 02:07:54 yeah Sep 07 02:07:55 I _may_ be able to be convinced to get an iPhone5 if it comes to sprint Sep 07 02:08:01 see I've been on a pre2 for a while Sep 07 02:08:04 I'm sooo sick of the bugs Sep 07 02:08:11 ah yeah Sep 07 02:08:16 I might go iPhone 5 Sep 07 02:08:30 alrighty, bbl Sep 07 02:10:20 ok to upgrade to virtual box 4.0.12 for SDK 3.0.2? Sep 07 02:11:49 l8er tib Sep 07 02:12:37 nohorse: i'm using 4.1.2 from virtualbox.org w/ 3.0.2 Sep 07 02:13:09 having trouble getting phone into recovery mode to Metadoctor. anyone have suggestions? Sep 07 02:13:41 tdogg is devmode on? Sep 07 02:14:13 not there yet, doing a frankenpre conversion, but the phone is not being recognized Sep 07 02:14:13 turn off, hold vol up and plug into usb? Sep 07 02:14:25 up or down? i dont remember which Sep 07 02:14:31 up Sep 07 02:14:45 I've tried to put into recovery mode, volume up, power, usb, hasn't worked Sep 07 02:14:52 just vol up then usb Sep 07 02:14:54 dont hit power Sep 07 02:15:38 been working on that for an hour! Sep 07 02:15:52 worked? Sep 07 02:15:53 fyi, volume up, then usb Sep 07 02:15:57 yep! Sep 07 02:16:04 yeah Sep 07 02:16:31 * oil pretty much always does it that way when he doctors Sep 07 02:16:33 anyone have experience with a frankenpre conversion? going from a sprint pre- to verizon pre 2 Sep 07 02:17:11 you mean a sprint pre 2 using a verizon pre2 and a sprint pre-? Sep 07 02:17:30 yes, Sep 07 02:17:50 its pretty simple Sep 07 02:18:01 it's actually downloading now, I guess just the threat of getting on here was enough Sep 07 02:18:14 your pre- was activated to your account before you took it apart right? Sep 07 02:18:20 yes Sep 07 02:18:31 only mistake I made was I did not turn off the backups app Sep 07 02:18:50 only mistake as far as I know any way Sep 07 02:19:56 franeknpre! Sep 07 02:20:31 will not turning off backups be a problem...some say no, some say yes.. Sep 07 02:21:04 i turned off backups before doing it Sep 07 02:21:06 so idk Sep 07 02:21:46 I don't think I turned it off... Sep 07 02:22:00 I suppose I'll see, at 50% now Sep 07 02:23:37 sitting at 64% Sep 07 02:26:07 the fuilly qualified name of my app is com.codechops.apod I know there is a way to lookup my app online. does anyone know the URL? Sep 07 02:27:28 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid= Sep 07 02:27:35 booting up...hp logo = me excited! Sep 07 02:27:35 developer.palm.com/appredirect?packageid=com.codechops.apod Sep 07 02:28:06 I still prefer the palm logo :) Sep 07 02:29:33 same here...but I'm still excited! Sep 07 02:31:48 oil: when you finished, were you able to get the navigation fixed? Sep 07 02:32:56 hmm.. i tried to load some videos onto my TP but they just don't show.. Sep 07 02:33:11 ok, I was nice, and added my (obsolete since they deleted all my pics) snapfish acct ;^) Sep 07 02:34:03 didn't try Sep 07 02:34:35 ohh KalemSoft is PDK huh? that even more explains its non-webOS-y-ness Sep 07 02:35:23 ok, thanks, I'll see if I can find some links somewhere... Sep 07 02:36:07 eww it wants internet access just to access local media? weaksauce Sep 07 02:36:17 yeah Sep 07 02:36:20 * NuttyBunny fires eclipse... maybe I'll work on nuttypad after all Sep 07 02:36:33 firing eclipse is the only valid thing to do with it Sep 07 02:37:17 ok, I meant fire it up, it sorta works for me :) Sep 07 02:40:17 kalemsoft needs some serious competition Sep 07 02:40:25 on webos Sep 07 02:45:09 oil: thanks again! Sep 07 02:45:19 np Sep 07 02:45:56 up and running on my frankenpre. Sep 07 02:49:52 oops, wrong button Sep 07 02:57:42 anyone install F15C? Sep 07 02:58:32 app catalog not working, QO won't add box.net acct.. gah.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 07 02:59:57 2011