**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 07 02:59:57 2011 Sep 07 03:05:18 oh. my. god. http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/755968-preview-webos-iphone-4-a.html Sep 07 03:07:23 lol Sep 07 03:07:28 android has cards Sep 07 03:07:56 i forget the app though Sep 07 03:08:10 It doesn't work very well on Android. Sep 07 03:08:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AreKDe9npHA&NR=1 Sep 07 03:08:31 the dev never put a lot of effort in, from what i could tell Sep 07 03:08:36 it seemed like a very meh app Sep 07 03:08:38 hmmm Sep 07 03:08:40 That said, Android in general is just kind of.. gimpy Sep 07 03:08:50 and webos has no future Sep 07 03:08:52 soo Sep 07 03:08:54 :) Sep 07 03:09:26 And I say that as a developer, so I see things in a slightly different/worse way where everything sucks. Sep 07 03:09:38 Well, everything that involves Java, anyway.. Sep 07 03:09:52 android is the best of the mobile os’s Sep 07 03:09:57 though that isn’t saying much Sep 07 03:10:08 I disagree, but it's a pointless argument Sep 07 03:10:30 Woo, just booted up my Pentium-S 75 MHz, 32 MB RAM machine. Sep 07 03:10:34 .. Sep 07 03:10:42 Can I have it when you're done? Sep 07 03:10:51 i can haz a sledgehammer? Sep 07 03:10:53 roy-pre101 that's worse specs than your phone probably. Sep 07 03:11:08 It'd be fun to code for that. Sep 07 03:11:15 EdLin: maybe not if it’s a palm pixi Sep 07 03:11:32 a first-gen snapdragon is about the equivalent of a 300mhz Pentium II intel processor. Sep 07 03:11:43 Wonder if there's a webos channel strictly for devs... Sep 07 03:11:49 roy-pre101: those are out of production and limited in availability Sep 07 03:11:50 wow wish I had kept some of the older machines Sep 07 03:11:53 how would you quantify that, EdLin? Sep 07 03:11:53 SoulShadow Palm Pixi is better. Sep 07 03:11:55 x86 vs arm Sep 07 03:12:14 namely the pcii and 8086 8088's Sep 07 03:12:20 I have a nutered (rooted) nook and it's OK, but i would not say it's better then anything else. but i like it and it's easy to hack Sep 07 03:12:31 SoulShadow I don't know, I didn't do the benchmark. Sep 07 03:12:45 nohorse_: nook color? don’t use that as a basis for android Sep 07 03:13:01 and winchester drives & controllers Sep 07 03:13:23 Nilium there aren't enough devs apparently to have a dev-only channel. :( Sep 07 03:13:27 it’s basically a droid 1 running a crippled version of android at a higher resolution Sep 07 03:14:07 EdLin: That's unfortunate. Sep 07 03:14:27 Nilium if you look at the /topic, this is a dev-only channel. Sep 07 03:14:36 Well, I don't see a topic, actually Sep 07 03:14:37 i was wondering even somebody buys webos license to run on their mobile phone, will that help a 3.1 version for touchpad Sep 07 03:14:45 instead it's just like #touchpad, lots of pro-Android trolls. Sep 07 03:14:46 It's coming up blank >_> Sep 07 03:14:58 I liked that #android and #android-dev were separate and I didn't have to be nice to non-devs in the dev channel who asked "stupid" questions Sep 07 03:15:00 Nilium not here its not Sep 07 03:15:20 Stupid in scare quotes because they're just not questions I want anything to do with Sep 07 03:15:27 /topic says Sep 07 03:15:50 Ah, there we go, got the topic Sep 07 03:15:53 "Unofficial webOS dev discussion | Please direct general TOuchPad disc. to #touchpad" Sep 07 03:15:59 oops, bad caps Sep 07 03:16:05 Oh, archives.. that'll be handy Sep 07 03:16:06 you get the idea tho Sep 07 03:16:11 didn’t hp say there was another update for webos? Sep 07 03:16:16 well, for the touchpad Sep 07 03:16:31 * EdLin kicks all of the people who are chit-chatting and asks them to go to #touchpad Sep 07 03:16:35 st412/506 etc Sep 07 03:17:34 EdLin: it would be dead in here Sep 07 03:17:45 SoulShadow so? Sep 07 03:17:48 SoulShadow: It would be preferable. Sep 07 03:17:58 it hasn't never been dead in here Sep 07 03:17:59 i guess if somebody continues a webos 4 and apps written for that won't run in touchpad Sep 07 03:18:04 SoulShadow you have an obligation to make it as busy here as #touchpad by not following the rules? Sep 07 03:18:17 i said one thing about the touchpad Sep 07 03:18:24 so no, i did not violate therules Sep 07 03:18:38 I'd much rather discuss programming topics in here than how much you love Android or whatever. Sep 07 03:18:38 SoulShadow the rules are "dev discussion" Sep 07 03:18:49 SoulShadow I don't see no dev discussion. Sep 07 03:19:07 i don’t see you having dev discussion either Sep 07 03:19:11 you aren’t following the rules Sep 07 03:19:15 ... Sep 07 03:19:37 Also, I'm not sure why pdk apps don't get reoriented automatically. Seems odd. Sep 07 03:19:39 I'll shut up if you do. Sep 07 03:19:43 rules are ment to be broken Sep 07 03:19:44 upul`: depends on how ‘webos 4’ comes about Sep 07 03:19:51 heck, I'll shut up even if you don't. Sep 07 03:19:51 if it ever does Sep 07 03:19:53 bye Sep 07 03:20:37 i didn't even realize the topic actually changed, haha.. (in over a year of not changing i stopped looking :) Sep 07 03:20:46 Granted I'm not sure how useful portrait mode is when writing a game - seems like landscape is just ideal… Sep 07 03:21:08 portrait games tend to be tetris Sep 07 03:22:07 so, speaking of cross origin requests. my script calls to ..\..\enyo are not loading in the browser. should i just have another copy of enyo under my root and call it when debugging or is there a better way? Sep 07 03:25:39 well i want portrait so i could have keyboard or controls on the bottom... not a game Sep 07 03:26:20 but anyway i looked into sdl code and it's impossible to trace the calls beyond a certain point. apparently most of the low level calls point to some NApp_* stuff which isn't open Sep 07 03:26:44 so for now i'm just flipping call the cached surfaces internally Sep 07 03:27:08 works fine for now Sep 07 03:28:30 also found a post on the forum with some dude with exact same issue two weeks ago. no resolution :p oh well Sep 07 03:28:39 Huh Sep 07 03:28:48 warthog = beast Sep 07 03:28:54 I suppose if you're using GL, you could just rotate the projection at least Sep 07 03:29:03 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=17479 Sep 07 03:44:51 hey all Sep 07 03:48:21 fxspec06? Sep 07 03:49:42 jaf0: pong Sep 07 03:50:13 hey kesne Sep 07 03:50:19 Sup Sep 07 03:50:55 how's filters coming? Sep 07 03:52:22 PatrickC_TP: Sent the beta out a few days ago Sep 07 03:52:33 * PatrickC_TP must not be in the beta Sep 07 03:52:39 It was a twitter thing Sep 07 03:52:41 but oh well. I'll get it on the update :) Sep 07 03:52:43 ah Sep 07 03:52:49 You had to tweet us Sep 07 03:52:50 I must have missed the tweet Sep 07 03:53:00 "us" being keen studios? Sep 07 03:53:09 anyone know if there's an easy way to reset a pane to it's initial state? Sep 07 03:53:11 Yeah, you could DM @keenstudios your email and get into the RC round Sep 07 03:53:20 jaf0: Hard-coding FTW Sep 07 03:53:26 kesne: will do Sep 07 03:53:43 wait.. you need to follow me before I can dm :) Sep 07 03:53:45 PatrickC_TP: The RC is better anyways. Beta didn't do image saving, full-res editing, etc. Sep 07 03:53:54 PatrickC_TP: Just Tweet us then Sep 07 03:53:58 ok Sep 07 03:53:58 Someone'll follow you Sep 07 03:54:13 kesne: will I be able to use it to edit my own images? Sep 07 03:54:38 PatrickC_TP: Only Camera for TouchPad ones Sep 07 03:54:54 I need an on-device image editing program so I can edit a photo I took with my touchpad for a photo contest.. Sep 07 03:54:54 Other image editing is possible, and could be enabled through some purchasable module, or something like that Sep 07 03:54:55 ah ok Sep 07 03:55:04 PatrickC_TP: Photo Effects HD Sep 07 03:55:14 how does the app know what photos have been taken by it? Sep 07 03:55:18 * PatrickC_TP didn't see that one Sep 07 03:55:21 I'll go check for that app Sep 07 03:55:40 Anyone have an idea why openssh doesn't like to start after i reboot my phone? I can start it manually after boot with 'start mobi.optware.openssh' Sep 07 03:56:10 PatrickC_TP: You open the editor from the viewer Sep 07 03:56:21 The viewer uses a node service to grab everything Sep 07 03:56:31 argh.. I really wasn't looking to spend more then .99... and that's 2.99 Sep 07 03:56:49 kesne: how does it know what photos to show in the viewer? does it just look in the camera's folder? Sep 07 03:56:57 Yep Sep 07 03:57:08 ah, then I can use it to edit my own images :) Sep 07 03:57:08 You could dump any photos in there by mounting it Sep 07 03:57:16 then load up the viewer Sep 07 03:57:22 that's what I was thinking Sep 07 03:57:39 After this, the viewer will get some serious updates. Sep 07 03:57:46 when do you think the RC will come out? I need to submit the image tomorrow night :) Sep 07 03:58:12 PatrickC_TP: Slated to be released Thursday Sep 07 03:58:21 hrmm.. ok.. Sep 07 03:58:50 PatrickC_TP: I could give you the beta, but it doesn't save images. Sep 07 03:59:33 hmm.. once edited, does it show it full screen? Sep 07 03:59:43 it seems that keen studios is following me.. I just DM'd Sep 07 04:00:31 the editing has to be done on-device, or I would use photoshop... Sep 07 04:01:27 hello folks ^^ Sep 07 04:02:59 hey Sep 07 04:03:58 kesne: is #webosworld not used anymore? lol Sep 07 04:04:06 I'm always the only person in there... Sep 07 04:04:40 PatrickC_TP: I'd take that as a hint that it's dead lol. Sep 07 04:05:00 lol Sep 07 04:05:02 PatrickC_TP: Probably not **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 07 04:07:21 2011 Sep 07 04:10:05 I've got to get up early tomorrow.. night all Sep 07 04:11:05 I have a vflexbox with an imageview and a rowgroup. I'd like the rowgroup to float above the imageview but there are compositing as master/detail. any ideas? Sep 07 04:14:17 night PatrickC_TP Sep 07 04:14:21 touchpad's cpu is big endian? Sep 07 04:14:24 and there are bugs in webOS PDK layer in portrait mode too, so that might be another reason to avoid it.. Sep 07 04:14:45 emit: little endian .. compiler is armel Sep 07 04:15:04 ok cool Sep 07 04:18:29 @kesne: that's what I'd been doing, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being stubborn. Sep 07 04:18:55 anyone know if hp is planning to do the same with pre 3's as they did with touchpad re: production / stock? Sep 07 04:20:03 there's not much evidence to support many pre3's were made Sep 07 04:20:34 sad times Sep 07 04:26:36 save your photos to the cloud and use picnik Sep 07 04:28:48 eighthree: no evidence, but surely they've got the same kind of stock supplies for the pre3 as they did for the TP, so seems like they should.. but that's too logical to happen, right? :( Sep 07 04:29:07 well i don't think it makes much sense. Sep 07 04:29:25 once you throw the cellular radio in there, things get a little more complicated Sep 07 04:29:25 if they have been planning to launch it, its not like they produce these things 1 month before launch... Sep 07 04:29:26 so since the touchpad has host support, it should be possible to plug in a powered external HDD to it Sep 07 04:30:37 how do you enable tp host mode support? Sep 07 04:30:58 right? Sep 07 04:31:36 @ajay I think you can use self powered USB hub Sep 07 04:33:44 eighthree: if hp had any stock of pre3's, they would probably do the same thing Sep 07 04:34:02 wanderer_: i'm not clear if it'd automount or what.. Sep 07 04:34:03 but i don't think they fully made it to production, just a few pre-testing units Sep 07 04:34:23 HattCzech: the folks who has the stock is probably them carriers :p Sep 07 04:34:35 HattCzech: they surely have stock of parts, if not built phones (They did launch after all). but ! alas Sep 07 04:35:03 * ajay needs a wifi printer so can print from the TP now, gah.. Sep 07 04:35:08 from what i've been told, there is practically no stock Sep 07 04:35:16 $150 tablets are definitely a good boost to the economy! Sep 07 04:35:37 i got to play with a test pre3, but the devrel person i'm working with doesn't have any and doesn Sep 07 04:35:43 't know if they'll get any Sep 07 04:35:55 :( sad Sep 07 04:36:10 HattCzech: you must be pretty high up (or have access to higher ups) to know that, as it seems like very few in HP actually know what's going on Sep 07 04:36:52 i was planning on getting my company to purchase a mass quantity of pre3's... so i made some nice connections along the way Sep 07 04:36:55 I've known people in palm that should have had them, and others that don't need them but have them anyways.. Sep 07 04:37:26 but it doesn't look like i'll be able to convince my company to do that now :) Sep 07 04:37:31 HattCzech: nice.. seems like if you've got the connections you can make some action happen.. add 100-200k pre3s onto that touchpad order, and boom.. Sep 07 04:37:34 oh Sep 07 04:37:42 burn.. they're selling for quite the premium! Sep 07 04:37:58 well, if there were any carriers in the US, i still might have a chance Sep 07 04:38:12 specifically, if sprint carried it, i would have an excellent chance Sep 07 04:44:11 ajay, you don't anything special for USB hub Sep 07 04:44:44 you could try connect keyboard at first Sep 07 04:47:13 they hurt the wallet D: Sep 07 04:47:14 wanderer_: it'll just automount on the touchpad? Sep 07 04:48:34 I don't know how to enable host mode on tp, but it should work automatically(keyboard) Sep 07 04:49:41 host mode on the TP either A) needs some power switch (over I2C) turned on, or B) some fancy handshaking from the USB device Sep 07 04:49:47 ala USB2.0 spec Sep 07 04:50:37 Shadyman: do you know USB spec? Sep 07 04:51:21 wanderer_: we've all seen that video, i'm asking about external storage :) Sep 07 04:51:23 I don't think case#a is valid Sep 07 04:51:40 wanderer_: I've looke dinto it Sep 07 04:52:38 so some keyboard somewhere works? link? Sep 07 04:52:58 right, what I am looking into is how to enable host mode :-) Sep 07 04:53:07 wanderer_: Indeed. Sep 07 04:53:18 AFAIK some fancy handshaking has to happen Sep 07 04:53:28 it is called hirp Sep 07 04:53:32 chirp Sep 07 04:53:34 durp? Sep 07 04:53:44 ;) Sep 07 04:53:59 herp derp Sep 07 04:54:15 so there's a keyboard that plays nice with the TP somewhere? Sep 07 04:54:28 who needs one? the tp kb is huge Sep 07 04:54:48 PsWii60: Because it enables host mode, if it exist? Sep 07 04:55:25 Something about a video everyone's seen? Sep 07 04:55:43 k Sep 07 04:55:43 wanderer_: USB hub mounts just fine on the TP Sep 07 04:56:46 Shadyman: in host mode? Sep 07 04:56:52 Yes. Sep 07 04:57:01 just connect keyboard Sep 07 04:57:11 regular pc keyboard Sep 07 04:57:14 don't have one? :x Sep 07 04:57:31 you don't have USB keyboard? Sep 07 04:57:41 Mm no. Sep 07 04:57:43 ps2 are gone Sep 07 04:57:48 hehe Sep 07 04:58:14 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/110726781644 shows up in dmesg as a usb hub Sep 07 04:58:18 1-port USB hub Sep 07 04:59:35 I'd imagine it'd do the chirping Sep 07 04:59:45 the TP might just need a compiled usb mass storage .ko module Sep 07 05:00:46 http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/ Sep 07 05:01:13 yes, org is correct assumption. Sep 07 05:01:38 ahhh, autocorrection: OTG Sep 07 05:02:03 I think mass storage is already compiled in Sep 07 05:02:50 Shadyman: how did you enable host mode? Sep 07 05:03:05 I didn't Sep 07 05:03:13 It just showed up as a USB hub. Sep 07 05:03:28 so you just assume that cable will work? Sep 07 05:03:32 * Shadyman shrugs Sep 07 05:04:21 I am not trying to make fun of u. Sep 07 05:04:31 At this point I'm just poking around Sep 07 05:04:38 no real science as of yet ;) Sep 07 05:04:48 see, otg depends on USB pin id Sep 07 05:05:22 so I am kind of interested to know how host mode is enabled. Sep 07 05:06:06 Granted, it doesn't see any mass storage devices that I plug into it Sep 07 05:06:11 self powered or bus powered Sep 07 05:06:21 next, you can check org driver. no need to poke around :-) Sep 07 05:06:25 see/autodetect/g Sep 07 05:07:10 I think I dropped in an ARM mass-storage .ko module since it couldn't find one otherwise Sep 07 05:07:13 would be nice to use a usb modem Sep 07 05:07:19 org=otg Sep 07 05:07:53 klog,smear indicates USB device being detected? Sep 07 05:08:05 klog/Dmesg Sep 07 05:08:23 not for anything besides the hub Sep 07 05:08:38 the TP keyboard is bluetooth Sep 07 05:10:38 wanderer_: http://pastebin.com/qtfZ4WD5 Sep 07 05:12:03 er, wait. missed some Sep 07 05:14:09 Oh come ON, pastebin Sep 07 05:14:41 Whatever. Sep 07 05:14:47 wanderer_: http://paste2.org/p/1635236 Here's a removal and insertion Sep 07 05:15:24 note the OTG power mode messages Sep 07 05:19:24 ok about that time.. Sep 07 05:19:34 I don't think Jr cable is recognized. it is USB host controller message Sep 07 05:21:10 jr=ur Sep 07 05:21:43 do you have any USB hub to connect via that cable? Sep 07 05:22:08 I could plug one in Sep 07 05:22:11 I'd have to hunt one down Sep 07 05:22:30 it should be recognized too. Sep 07 05:23:02 on your host linux machine you can check it via lsusb Sep 07 05:23:40 $sudo lsusb -v Sep 07 05:24:01 there's no lsusb on the TP though Sep 07 05:24:11 note vid,pie for device Sep 07 05:24:17 o Sep 07 05:24:24 vid,pid for device Sep 07 05:24:37 you should be getting on tp same Sep 07 05:25:20 vid vendor ID , pid product ID Sep 07 05:25:49 yep Sep 07 05:26:20 ok, next Sep 07 05:26:27 you don't need lsusb Sep 07 05:26:49 Hm. Can't find whre my hub ran off to Sep 07 05:26:54 at first, you can check libusb-dev source code Sep 07 05:27:31 it just walks via some procfs and reads values Sep 07 05:39:51 Shadyman:let me know how it foes with hub Sep 07 05:39:57 goes Sep 07 05:51:15 so... I've been focusing on internode and tpg - ya'll wanted telstra too right? Sep 07 05:52:25 s/telstra/bigpond Sep 07 06:05:56 aussies :D<3 Sep 07 06:08:02 Wonder why hp took down the Pre 2 from the website, but not the Veer Sep 07 06:09:30 because the veer is still available for contract and such Sep 07 06:10:30 Well, the only reason it would still be on the site if they were expecting stock. They stock production so no need to keep it on there otherwise Sep 07 06:26:07 you can still get a veer. no fire sale yet on that one. Sep 07 06:27:31 There was one, if you a EPP/APP account Sep 07 06:27:50 Well, i consider $50 a fire sale anyway Sep 07 07:17:35 noob here. trying to figure out to set image for a flexbox Sep 07 07:17:52 err background image rather.. colour works ok, but image doesnt? :S Sep 07 08:02:49 hehe figured it out XD Sep 07 08:02:51 DO'H Sep 07 08:02:53 :] Sep 07 08:09:47 I'm still having issues with my emulator where icons are massive S: Sep 07 08:47:59 helo Sep 07 09:24:09 everyone asleep boo :( Sep 07 13:42:38 morning, all Sep 07 13:42:55 hello Sep 07 13:43:05 http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/06/hp-refund-pre-3-touchpad-customers/ (.uk refunds) Sep 07 13:43:57 buuut, must have been activated before 23 aug Sep 07 13:48:34 I know, PITA Sep 07 13:48:48 hm, how do I make divs in my scenes as large as the screen-width? Sep 07 13:49:12 and also parameterize the snapping scroller according to the screen width Sep 07 13:49:16 ordered mine before 23rd, didn't receive it til way afterwards :( Sep 07 13:51:14 phoque_uni, you could program the div width in js, easily Sep 07 13:51:37 haydnh: well, I suspect they decided to try to get people who ordered before the announcement Sep 07 13:51:46 so i picked up a wp7 Sep 07 13:52:55 my condolences Sep 07 13:53:01 altso from me Sep 07 13:53:09 *also Sep 07 13:57:10 haha Sep 07 13:57:25 trying to install mango, but im on linux Sep 07 13:57:52 Good luck Sep 07 14:13:11 matbee, that'd be the biggest holdoff Sep 07 14:13:20 After years of usage, I detest Windows Sep 07 14:13:28 a Windows-only environment wont work for me Sep 07 14:15:59 An environment that even hints at windows wouldn't work for me. :) Sep 07 14:22:54 HP's rebate program for those who bought full-price webOS devices just before the fire sale: http://h41237.www4.hp.com/uk/en/ Sep 07 14:23:00 oh, dwc- beat me to it Sep 07 14:23:31 wait, full rebate? Sep 07 14:23:38 Best Buy already refunded me the difference Sep 07 14:25:32 *sigh* I guess I'll just click the link and look :-P Sep 07 14:25:59 oh, it's also international Sep 07 14:26:01 I should learn to read Sep 07 14:32:12 so the vbox emulator is basically useless for testing opengl es apps right? it only works with vanilla sdl? Sep 07 14:35:29 emit: correct Sep 07 14:36:30 ok thanks.. Sep 07 14:39:42 what #ifdef can I use to mask out portions of my code when cross compiling? doesn't seem to be anything defined for webos in SDL_platform.h Sep 07 14:40:04 im assuming i can't use __LINUX__ since my host is linux as well Sep 07 14:40:46 you could define your own -DFOO... and pass it at compile time Sep 07 14:41:02 yeah that's what i'm doing now. just wondering if everyone's doing that Sep 07 14:41:42 someone quickly refresh my memory what is a Item kind? Sep 07 14:41:51 maybe gcc has some ... gonna have to google it Sep 07 14:43:18 oh __arm__ in gcc... nice Sep 07 14:43:31 or __ARM_EABI__ Sep 07 14:44:23 found a nice trick to dump all the defined macros for a given gcc /opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -dM -E - < /dev/null Sep 07 14:54:21 * halfhalo yawns Sep 07 16:14:44 anyway to get the battery charge from command line? like in linux you can cat /proc/acpi/battery/* Sep 07 16:21:01 hey chuqui Sep 07 16:21:22 hey hey Sep 07 16:21:27 where should i submit feature requests for webos3? Sep 07 16:21:42 specifically related to the vpn... Sep 07 16:38:20 pop them into the forum. Sep 07 16:39:07 there's a patch request forum area iirc Sep 07 16:39:36 i'm thinking of looking at the VPN question. although after my gstreamer disaster, i have no idea if i'll get that far Sep 07 16:41:06 lol. what happened with gstreamer? Sep 07 16:42:09 good afternoon :) just got all my accessories. nice stuff. a little weird but nice!! Sep 07 16:43:09 which ones? Sep 07 16:43:13 wrea, i successfully built a working libgstvorbis and a patched libgsttypefindfunctions. enough for playbin2 to work on an ogg. but couldn't get any of the hp gui media player apps to consume the same ogg file Sep 07 16:43:17 keyboard, case, touchstone Sep 07 16:43:31 so i can play ogg on my pre3 if i launch xecutah and run gst-launch by hand on the file :) Sep 07 16:43:31 nice, I got my case yesterday Sep 07 16:43:36 thinking about getting the touchstone. Sep 07 16:43:55 local walmart has 2 touchstones in stock but they're still $79.99 :/ Sep 07 16:44:07 they're 50 bucks on amazon i think? Sep 07 16:44:15 eric: did you get the hp case/ Sep 07 16:44:30 walmart had them for $35, that's what i was hoping the price would drop to, not yet though Sep 07 16:44:42 yeah I did. it seems weird at first, and then when you put it on its like.. awesome Sep 07 16:44:44 directhex, weird, you'd think it would work. Sep 07 16:44:55 wrea, i did think it would work! :( Sep 07 16:44:57 yeah thats what I thought too. Sep 07 16:45:02 the case rocks. Sep 07 16:45:08 I got two of the touchstones for $84 from the hp store .. free shipping Sep 07 16:45:17 hmm, not bad. Sep 07 16:45:26 that was with the 25% off coupon they had last month tho Sep 07 16:45:31 did you get a tp in the firesale? Sep 07 16:45:51 I think best buy had them for a couple bucks cheaper without a coupon but no free shipping Sep 07 16:45:53 wrea, something must be filtering the content type beyond what gstreamer is doing. patched libgsttypefindfunctions is what allows gstreamer to autodetect media formats (palm patch theirs to only detect supported formats) Sep 07 16:46:23 the whole system needs better keyboard spport Sep 07 16:46:24 wrea, i wouldn't be so cross if the device didn't ship with libvorbis and libogg already on the device Sep 07 16:46:51 i'm seeing 56 bucks for a touchstone on hp Sep 07 16:46:56 on hp's website Sep 07 16:47:29 looks like the keyboard will be primarily useful for irc'ing. going to have to figure out a workflow that involves having both the touchpad and keyboard within touchable distance Sep 07 16:47:37 directhex, yeah, why even ship them if you arent going to ship the gstreamer plugins too Sep 07 16:48:05 oh I found another bug in my voice app need to fix for the first update Sep 07 16:49:21 wrea, i'd welcome a chat with someone who knows the guts of webos' media pipeline better than me. Sep 07 16:50:35 Does the touchstone hold the tp pretty firmly? Sep 07 16:50:49 it seems to Sep 07 16:54:56 man Sep 07 16:55:03 the delete from notification patch is lovely! Sep 07 16:55:29 not that i get alot of spam, but deleting fb notifications and other bs wo/ opening the mail app is nice Sep 07 16:57:32 I think I'm moving over to using primarily the Google Mail Tablet interface Sep 07 16:57:44 it is about a billion times faster than the mail app Sep 07 16:58:00 touchstone holds via magnet, so its plenty strong. Sep 07 16:58:25 even thru the case Sep 07 16:58:33 it does? I don't feel any resistance Sep 07 17:01:16 i don't either Sep 07 17:04:42 mine just seems to sit there Sep 07 17:05:02 I just saw someone coding in word O_o Sep 07 17:05:17 * Nilium is still reeling from it. Sep 07 17:05:40 hey, it's important Sep 07 17:05:50 gotta make sure your spelling is correct Sep 07 17:06:51 hmm.. ok, so how do i tell my enyo window to come to the foreground... Sep 07 17:07:04 i think the phone touchstone is the only one that has a magnet Sep 07 17:07:19 enyo.windows.activateWindow(this.window) doesn't cut it Sep 07 17:07:24 ah that makes sense Sep 07 17:08:26 ah just window does Sep 07 17:08:27 great Sep 07 17:50:13 You’ve been accepted to the private beta. Sep 07 17:50:23 http://foreca.st .. Sep 07 17:50:26 lame no webos Sep 07 17:51:03 pretty clever tho Sep 07 17:51:13 apparently you setup a foursquare todo list Sep 07 17:51:22 then when you arrive, 1 click checkins Sep 07 17:51:33 and your friends can see where you're at, as well as plan to be later on Sep 07 17:52:56 idk. does it have latitude support Sep 07 17:53:28 those kinds of apps are weird for me, because i don't think i would do these ahead of schedule with without a real motivation. Sep 07 17:53:39 4cast? so it's predictive 4square? Sep 07 17:54:35 yeah.. Sep 07 17:57:23 hi Sep 07 17:57:53 anyone can tell me if there is a way to get the battery percentage in top area all the time on a Pre3 ? Sep 07 17:58:16 I had a patch on my previous pre+ but it seems pre3 has way less options atm :/ Sep 07 17:58:18 I'm not sure, but on the Veer you can use the patches in Preware I believe Sep 07 17:58:33 that's at least what I'm using Sep 07 17:59:26 eighthree, imagine you were planning a night out, would help your friends know where your at or going to be Sep 07 17:59:32 or atleast the plan for the night Sep 07 17:59:38 iCal. Sep 07 17:59:47 or any calendar app. Sep 07 18:00:05 i dont share my calendar with many friends heh Sep 07 18:00:48 you don't share an entire calendar Sep 07 18:01:12 I'm assuming you haven't used calendars for work or anything Sep 07 18:01:38 i only use google calendar Sep 07 18:01:52 perfect. same concept, create an event -- invite people Sep 07 18:03:35 dawm: http://o7.no/olHjU1 Sep 07 18:03:53 psh Sep 07 18:04:17 its perfect. you actually plan things with everything else in your schedule in mind Sep 07 18:05:17 syncs with your touchpad/webos device too :D Sep 07 18:06:12 but not foursquare Sep 07 18:06:39 false: Sep 07 18:06:40 http://blog.foursquare.com/2010/01/15/336129986/ Sep 07 18:07:22 you can add that ICS (just remove the ics prefix) into google calendar itself and sync with any other app than ical Sep 07 18:07:30 that only shows the checkins Sep 07 18:07:33 not the planned checkins Sep 07 18:07:34 So you can see when YOU recently checked in? Sep 07 18:07:54 I suppose that has some interest... when did I go to XYZ? Oh yeah, last Friday. But Sep 07 18:07:59 lol Sep 07 18:08:02 forecast lets you plan checkins so you just have 1 click checkins Sep 07 18:08:39 Hmm.. I have.. foursquare app, checkin, pick place, checkin button. 4 clicks ;) Sep 07 18:08:54 but its for planning apparently. Sep 07 18:10:31 ooh Sep 07 18:10:35 4tuner 2TB tivo .. Sep 07 18:10:37 I suppose that makes some sense.. Marking the places you want to try. Sep 07 18:10:55 http://h30529.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Scaling-the-Cloud-Blog/HP-Announces-Private-Beta-Program-of-HP-Cloud-Services/ba-p/115 Sep 07 18:12:21 Aaaand HP attacks Amazon Sep 07 18:12:39 amazon is awesm Sep 07 18:13:17 I've ordered something at 3am from Amazon before and received it before midday... can't complain with that Sep 07 18:13:30 they should stress-test their cloud .. by selling off their Touchpads again - just to see, if their servers can withstand the pressur Sep 07 18:13:39 hp will decide to not do the cloud in 2 months Sep 07 18:13:41 you have prime haydnh Sep 07 18:40:52 is there an automatic way to wire an Enter keypress in an input to trigger a specific button, or do i have to code that myself? Sep 07 18:46:38 chuqui: in regards to my question earlier about feature requests... which forum should i put it in? Sep 07 18:52:58 who in here is in the nDrive Beta Program? Sep 07 18:53:08 I need you to help me vote in a feature Sep 07 18:53:23 NuttyBunny: ping Sep 07 18:58:05 EricBlade: code it yourself Sep 07 18:58:59 hey rwatkins and EricBlade Sep 07 18:59:37 onkeypress if event.keyCode == 13 then submitHandler() Sep 07 19:05:24 hey Adora :) Sep 07 19:07:21 strange.. Sep 07 19:07:35 my signal strength increases when it rains.. stupid sprint Sep 07 19:08:26 lol i've heard of rainfade, never heard of rainboost Sep 07 19:10:09 annoying things about a bluetooth remote.. Sep 07 19:10:15 it turns shit on when you dont want it to.. Sep 07 19:10:20 cat just jumped on the ps3 remote Sep 07 19:10:51 which inturn turned on the tv Sep 07 19:12:21 anyone knows when webos2.2 came out ? Sep 07 19:14:39 vermind, it was August 17, 2011. That might explain why there is so little patches for it Sep 07 19:15:03 2.2 came out with the veer Sep 07 19:16:06 blah, i'm getting nothing from onkeypress, not even calling it Sep 07 19:18:00 summatusmentis: 2.2 came out with the pre3, the veer is 2.1.2 (iirc) Sep 07 19:18:29 NuttyBunny: thx for the vote lol Sep 07 19:19:04 { kind: "Input", onkeypress: "keypressHandler" } - beware your capitalziation Sep 07 19:19:09 any info on how to register a pdk app to handle files of certain extension? i made a djvu reader i want it to open when i open a .djvu from box.net, mail attachment, etc Sep 07 19:19:28 emit: that's homebrew Sep 07 19:19:33 not officially supported Sep 07 19:19:36 keypressHandler(inSneder, inEvent) { if (inEvent.keyCode == 13) ... Sep 07 19:20:33 so i have to have my own file browser to browse local filesystem...? Sep 07 19:21:06 no. preware registers as the .ipk filehandler Sep 07 19:21:15 but idk how it does it Sep 07 19:22:20 PSA: if you are inquiring about an app that's in review, please include the name of the app you're asking about Sep 07 19:22:32 * Adora headdesk Sep 07 19:22:38 hah Sep 07 19:22:47 srsly, it's starting to become a problem Sep 07 19:23:08 search_by_email Sep 07 19:23:27 PatrickC: oh, you might be right Sep 07 19:23:41 * PatrickC hasn't heard that in a long time Sep 07 19:23:44 :P Sep 07 19:24:08 summatusmentis: did you get the email about domain names/app names? Sep 07 19:24:26 Its the twitter generation, they provide no context in their communications. Sep 07 19:26:22 preware *offers* to be an .ipk handler, but I dont think it just takes it Sep 07 19:26:46 rwatkins: yeah.. Sep 07 19:26:52 it asks you on startup Sep 07 19:27:17 i really hate apps that just go around taking mime types Sep 07 19:27:38 yeah Sep 07 19:27:52 media format wars of the 90's left scars. Sep 07 19:28:04 I hate quickoffice on the phone. it registers as .txt handler, when I've told it to not register Sep 07 19:28:14 "media format wars" lol Sep 07 19:28:20 real player, windows media player, itunes and every goddam app fought over who should be my mp3 player, jpeg viewer and everything else. Sep 07 19:28:54 lol Sep 07 19:28:56 so if I click this file ... no clue whats going to happen today. Sep 07 19:38:17 anyone use textone? Sep 07 19:39:34 should ubercalender work on a veer ?? Sep 07 19:39:52 if its veer compatible, yes.. Sep 07 19:40:05 and I /thought/ it was. but I don't have a veer Sep 07 19:40:18 Are there standard enyo toolbar icons for email and printer in the SDK? Sep 07 19:41:11 ok, got it working, i typoed my function name.. Sep 07 19:41:22 I think so... haeffb where did you get the ones for PondNotes? Sep 07 19:41:36 EricBlade: I hate when that happens lol Sep 07 19:42:15 am i correct in assuming that you have to specify the name of a function for a enyo on* event, rather than a function itself? i tried doing that to start with, and got nothing Sep 07 19:45:04 i need to learn how to formulate my own input kind that will do that automatically somehow or other Sep 07 19:50:06 emit: let me know how hard it is to register as a .djvu handler Sep 07 19:50:24 I need that (but a different attention) for my app Sep 07 19:53:09 hey Sep 07 19:53:36 MM germany had today pre3 firesale. Sep 07 19:54:09 1 per person, wasn't able to get one Sep 07 19:54:26 EricBlade: it sort of matters what you want to listen to. If you're dealing with kinds themselves, then yeah you have to use the string name of the function...if it's stuff like DOM elements, you can use actual functions Sep 07 19:55:02 sugardave: hmm. anonymous functions would be nice to be able to put in there. Sep 07 19:55:08 yep Sep 07 19:55:18 hey sugardave Sep 07 19:55:45 I even tried a string like "function() {blahblah}: Sep 07 19:55:47 no dice Sep 07 19:56:48 onkeypress: enyo.bind(this, function(x, event) { if(event.keyCode == 13) this.submit() } .. i don't see an obvious way to refer to the form element that this might be a part of, tohugh, anyway .. so i guess i need to hardwire each one to call the submit function that each one's submit button is wired to.. ugh. Sep 07 20:05:36 EricBlade: if it's an Enyo event, it should have the event sender with it Sep 07 20:07:38 sender doesn't ever seem to be anything particularly useful or predictable? Sep 07 20:11:23 PatrickC: pretty easy, modify appinfo.json https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13742&p=69139 Sep 07 20:16:49 emit: cool! thanks, I'll look at it! Sep 07 20:20:40 emit: hmm... where they have like the application/word what would others put there? Sep 07 20:20:45 like what did you use? Sep 07 20:22:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_media_type#List_of_common_media_types Sep 07 20:23:35 that's it, thanks :) Sep 07 20:34:05 EricBlade: you could just write your own input kind that allows you to define the name of the button to click on hitting the return key Sep 07 20:35:15 kinda breaks encapsulation though, unless your kind builds both the input and the button Sep 07 20:35:38 hmm.. great, neither my bluetooth nor virtual keyboard are responding now. Sep 07 20:36:54 oh.. my onkeypress is filtering out all the inputs that aren't enters. i guess i need to return true from it or something Sep 07 20:38:21 are there more natice photo upload options beyond facebook and photobucket? Sep 07 20:41:25 hmm. the synergy services search in the app store on results in sports calendars and a "outline tracker" Sep 07 20:41:29 EricBlade: no, you dont. Sep 07 20:42:09 rwatkins: i needed to return true for non-keycode 13 Sep 07 20:42:18 Uh, ok. I didnt. Sep 07 20:45:03 hmm. HP is going to focus on "cloud, connectivity, services and software, and printing." sounds like the Onion. Sep 07 20:45:55 clearly someone wrote that, then realized "oh yea! '... and printing'" Sep 07 20:46:38 printing is absolutely the future. Sep 07 20:47:44 ok, if i don't figure out wtf is wrong with my touchpad's clock, i may have to call HP Sep 07 20:47:55 it will -never- stay on the right time for more than 20 minutes Sep 07 20:53:22 Dodgy NTP server? Sep 07 20:53:39 that shouldnt be noticable in 20 minutes Sep 07 20:56:59 EricBlade: i remember having similar issues with my phone (i think the pre2, but it might be the pre-). either a reinstall worked, or it just got out over time... Sep 07 20:57:33 EricBlade: IIRC, i toyed with it fairly much and couldn't exactly get the thing running. a few reinstalls later it 'just worked' Sep 07 20:58:08 EricBlade: in my case, the clock really went haywire. it noticed some time changes for 5 minutes or so, and then during an hour it would move 2 minutes or so Sep 07 20:58:19 it's always 10 minutes or 20 minutes Sep 07 20:58:49 pretty sure it's not my local ntp, my router has one setup, and it's been fine on all my other computers. and it doesn't just happen here, and it doesn't just happen away. it also happens with NTP off Sep 07 21:00:12 hmm. i need to figure out a better layout for my next update to my app.. this design only works in landscape Sep 07 21:07:27 he madnificent Sep 07 21:07:37 :) Sep 07 21:07:57 hm, any ideas? http://img.ly/8aik Sep 07 21:10:54 Help. Hi, I just got a Touchpad but Skype won't sign in via Messaging, it's not showing up in Phone & Video Calls and there's a login/password alert in the menu bar (even though I've verified the details are correct). Sep 07 21:11:50 hi Robert__ Sep 07 21:12:13 are you logged in with another pc to that account? I think #touchpad would be a better place to ask... Sep 07 21:13:47 Android phone doesn't appear to be signed in Sep 07 21:15:41 leiru: No device is signed in to Skype. Sep 07 21:16:14 mh. Sep 07 21:16:28 i would ask the people in #touchpad for that Sep 07 21:16:45 Ok thanks. Sep 07 21:24:24 oil? Sep 07 21:30:52 grml Sep 07 21:35:33 hmm. my "date submitted" on my app just moved from 9/5 to 9/7. Sep 07 21:35:50 is this how they keep up with the "3 to 7 days" for approval? haha Sep 07 21:37:54 lol Sep 07 21:38:18 "if not approved in two days, move submit date up two days" Sep 07 22:01:59 lmao Sep 07 22:02:08 i subbd update last tuesday Sep 07 22:02:13 it now next wednesday Sep 07 22:02:47 hola Sep 07 22:03:27 hola Sep 07 22:03:50 howdy Sep 07 22:04:38 airplane mode button is too close to rotation lock Sep 07 22:04:54 yeah, I'd like to do away with that button all together. Sep 07 22:05:38 ok my developer question of the day... Sep 07 22:07:21 ? Sep 07 22:09:29 not sure how to ask Sep 07 22:09:37 just ask Sep 07 22:12:13 I'm looking into local storage and I want to input several keys and variables from an xml file Sep 07 22:13:48 http://old.jr.pl/www.quirksmode.org/dom/importxml.html Sep 07 22:14:42 I the xml is user imported so it can't be done by me Sep 07 22:15:45 ..... k so instaed of xmlDoc.load("emperors.xml"); do xmlDoc.load(xmlUrl); Sep 07 22:17:30 parse it to json and include lawnchair? Sep 07 22:17:49 lawnchair? Sep 07 22:18:31 Sep 07 22:18:42 http://westcoastlogic.com/lawnchair/adapters/ Sep 07 22:20:12 are the logs for vpn connections in /var/log/messages or somewhere else? Sep 07 22:21:07 bookmarked to go over thoroughly Sep 07 22:22:03 not sure I understand lawnchair but the import xml seemed interesting Sep 07 22:22:04 hmm lawnchair. nice. Sep 07 22:22:35 hattczech something else Sep 07 22:22:44 psh lawnchair is easy. maybe they shoulda named it lunchbox or something. store variables, retrieve variables Sep 07 22:23:03 use keys. it looks like a huge database. perfect for xml Sep 07 22:23:11 key/var combinations? Sep 07 22:23:26 that's exactly what I'm looking for... Sep 07 22:23:33 read it ;) Sep 07 22:23:51 fxspec: it has a adapters for sqlite, indexed-db and some other Sep 07 22:24:20 adapters? will reading that explain? Sep 07 22:25:09 I'm late for a date already. I shoulda asked when I got back. Sep 07 22:25:53 neatooo! Sep 07 22:26:08 PreAce: things are pretty much usually what they sound Sep 07 22:26:40 adapter...... plugin....... very much alike Sep 07 22:27:25 include lawnchair get x functionality. include lawnchair and sql adapter, get x + y functionality Sep 07 22:28:30 ok Sep 07 22:29:04 I'm gonna be doing a lot more reading. I thought my first app would be easy... Sep 07 22:29:59 shoulda made a fart app Sep 07 22:29:59 they're never easy. they just get a little more complex each time Sep 07 22:31:33 thanks for the hints and homework guys. gotta shower. Sep 07 22:36:07 how big is your xml? Sep 07 22:36:17 oops. Sep 07 22:37:59 completely forgot about the fact my phone was paired to my TP. it decided to ring in class Sep 07 22:54:37 haha, nice halfhalo, how did the class react? Sep 07 23:07:32 Is there any "advanced" configuration of Enterprise wireless? It only asks for user/pass, no other settings? Sep 07 23:08:09 Apparently at my wife's work it "just works" with iphone/ipad but on her touchpad it won't. I suspect it's a setting.. Sep 07 23:23:47 yeah. the "work with touchpad" setting must be off on the network Sep 07 23:30:55 Tibfib_! Sep 07 23:31:05 twbbas! Sep 07 23:31:07 long time no see Sep 07 23:31:10 I've been using the beta Sep 07 23:31:13 I found a problem Sep 07 23:31:14 slick Sep 07 23:31:16 not slick Sep 07 23:31:19 lol Sep 07 23:31:36 when I tap on a card, it sometimes doesn't load up the article I tapped on Sep 07 23:31:48 bah Sep 07 23:31:55 also the browser icon + the "send" stuff wasn't working one time Sep 07 23:31:56 that's what I"m trying to fix at this very second Sep 07 23:31:59 the start worked though Sep 07 23:32:00 k Sep 07 23:32:05 s/start/star Sep 07 23:32:18 kk I'll check those out Sep 07 23:32:30 I'll try and see if I can get the icon bug to come up again Sep 07 23:32:36 but it only happened once Sep 07 23:32:49 oh Sep 07 23:33:00 Tibfib_: Also, sometimes the articles don't get marked as read while in list view Sep 07 23:33:02 dangit. I can not replicate the wrong article issue. Sep 07 23:33:05 when I manually mark them as read Sep 07 23:33:13 what do you mean? Sep 07 23:33:19 bbiab Sep 07 23:33:28 it *could* be because I was tethering to my phone at the time and the net was slow Sep 07 23:33:42 You know how you slide the list item to the right to mark as read? Sep 07 23:33:50 Sometimes it wouldn't mark it as read Sep 07 23:33:57 I'll try to get it to show up again too Sep 07 23:42:44 twbbas_: umm let me update the latest in preware Sep 07 23:42:47 that should be fixed Sep 07 23:42:53 the issue is google reader itself Sep 07 23:43:09 I have in place a notifier, "UNABLE TO MARK READ BRO" Sep 07 23:45:35 went and delivered some car parts that were too heavy for me to bother shipping Sep 07 23:45:40 was 2hr round trip Sep 07 23:45:46 he gave me bonus gas money ;D Sep 07 23:47:51 twbbas_: update to latest in preware Sep 07 23:48:14 hmmm I wonder what the percentage of users that use the cards to the list is Sep 08 00:15:07 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-tips-information-resources/297217-time-runs-fast-overclock-fix.html Sep 08 00:44:55 http://www.biglolz.com/images/1315429379-12789.jpg Sep 08 00:44:57 hahaha Sep 08 00:53:24 Touchpad unicorn hunt... On going. :C Sep 08 01:13:14 http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2011/09/07/htc-sues-apple-moto-goog-patent-backlash-starts/ Sep 08 01:13:14 omg Sep 08 01:17:19 Whatttttt. Transferred on the first? Sep 08 01:17:42 Come on Google, fight your own fights instead of dumping them onto the hardware companies Sep 08 01:23:58 heya.. can someone remind me specs on what a BootLogo.tga file needs to be? I could always get it on my phone, but for some reason can't on my tp.. Sep 08 01:28:51 ajay: I think just a plain 24 bit lze targa? I haven't done one in a while so don't quote me on that ;P Sep 08 01:30:11 LoneStar! Sep 08 01:36:16 SineOt: 24-bit? hrmm.. lze? (that sounds vaguely familiar) Sep 08 01:37:05 When saving them in Photoshop you get a bunch of options... One of them is like, 8, 16, 24, or 32 bit color along with the choice of lze compression. Sep 08 01:37:09 kesne: i think you killed him.. Sep 08 01:37:27 ajay: if in doubt, though? just pull the images from the webOS doctors and see what the official ones are Sep 08 01:37:30 I'm using the GIMP (of course! :), and it's mono, i tried w/ and w/o rle compression Sep 08 01:37:42 ajay: It happens... Sep 08 01:38:17 well i did just uncompress the pre3 doctor to see if i could figure out SMS forwarding, so i guess i do have access to one easily :) Sep 08 01:38:17 there he is Sep 08 01:39:05 ajay: if you could make a patch to get to work w/ pre 2 first then pre + and pre - and veer / pixi then you will be a god in about 2 seconds =) Sep 08 01:39:13 i would but i'm too lazy Sep 08 01:39:25 fxspec06: I was thinking it would be beyond patch quality, more doctor-quality actually :) Sep 08 01:39:57 (that was actually a fairly nonsensical stmt i made, i'm impressed!) Sep 08 01:39:58 well patch would be best imo.. Sep 08 01:40:28 I'm STILL trying to find a Touchpad. Sep 08 01:40:30 fxspec06: what i'm going to try doing is replacing all the bluetooth binaries and application, but i could approach it a bit more slowly Sep 08 01:40:38 SineOt: I promised my whole family touchpads.. oops! Sep 08 01:40:51 The closest we have right now? A back order through Best Buy Business. :C Sep 08 01:41:03 hmm. replacing is unique approach to it. Sep 08 01:41:07 ajay: never promise family anything, always surprise them when something actually happens Sep 08 01:41:10 you need to be agressivd Sep 08 01:41:21 SineOt: i just _barely_ asked for my loaner TP like, the day before the announcement Sep 08 01:41:41 call all stores, check deal sites, make lots of calls Sep 08 01:42:04 * fxspec06 's loaner was in the mail two days b4 annoucement =D Sep 08 01:42:05 or just pay for one off kijiji or craigslist Sep 08 01:42:06 I was to the point of like, "okay, Enyo docs are good enough now for me to start thinking about porting my stuff to it!" then I found the HP announcement! Sep 08 01:42:36 Tptg: i was going to say, for all that work might be easier to pay sometone :) Sep 08 01:42:39 Tptg: CL is still about 250 right now, which is out of my budget, and com'on, it's Southern California. Any stock in Brick and Mortars was out long ago. Sep 08 01:43:05 not true Sep 08 01:43:09 hmm kijiji never heard of it.. guess it's the whole "if you can't buy 'em, compete" mantra Sep 08 01:43:31 here in canada retailers (smaller ones) are still getting inventory Sep 08 01:43:48 Tptg: okay, yeah, I found an Aaron's with them in stock but they'd only sell them if I leased a laptop with it Sep 08 01:44:06 kijiji popular in canada, craigslist not so much Sep 08 01:44:13 Tptg: you assume I have any smaller retailers around me to be looking at! Sep 08 01:44:22 * ajay thinks those that don't use craigslist are blasphemers.. or just weird Sep 08 01:44:23 if it's not big box in a mall it really just doesn't exist Sep 08 01:44:23 aarons is for ppl with no credit Sep 08 01:44:24 Or at Aaron's for $90/mo Sep 08 01:44:36 its not a real store Sep 08 01:44:39 http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5318/touchpad.jpg Sep 08 01:45:02 Tptg: yeah, but some of them were selling Touchpads for 150 cash in hand with a case thrown in Sep 08 01:45:19 nice deal Sep 08 01:45:22 sineot call call call you have a great cheap postal sysyem ;-) Sep 08 01:45:24 oh kij is free, nice. Sep 08 01:45:35 only one in the southern california area had them and the GM had said that no touchpads unless you leased a laptop along with it Sep 08 01:45:56 which is BS, since it's dumb to get a crappy 600$ laptop for 1200$ just to get a Touchpad that they were leasing for 180 Sep 08 01:46:03 but my ebay login doesn't work.. odd Sep 08 01:46:24 anyway to send someone my app to install without the use of catalog/computer ? Sep 08 01:46:34 google for your american deal sites.... ours is easy to find, google "redflagdeals touchpad" to see rabid touchpad followers getting amd looking for tneirs Sep 08 01:46:35 i just got told my touchpad wouldb e here in 6-8 weeks Sep 08 01:46:36 lol Sep 08 01:46:48 plov: if they have preware Sep 08 01:46:50 hmm, what are the prices like on kiji? I'd deal with shipping from Canada Sep 08 01:47:09 Tptg: yeah, I've been following SlickDeals for ages and watched the madness unfold first hand :p Sep 08 01:47:10 kijiji is craigslist Sep 08 01:47:17 basically Sep 08 01:47:36 I remember that first night slickdeals servers collapsed Sep 08 01:47:46 it was hilarious like 2 pages of forum posts every 30 seconds Sep 08 01:47:48 search kijiji.ca and change your location to toronto znd search Sep 08 01:48:01 twbbas_: ping Sep 08 01:48:45 I got two touchpads through business to business resellers, paid 90 cdn for 16gb and 120cdn for 32gb Sep 08 01:48:56 got real lucky Sep 08 01:48:57 these are the times i wish i understood econ better.. i was wondering if the TP price would keep goin up, via supply+demand, but i guess the market just decided that 250-300$ is the worth-it price.. Sep 08 01:49:02 wrea> http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5318/touchpad.jpg Sep 08 01:49:03 Tptg: oh what! Sep 08 01:49:06 is that real? Sep 08 01:49:23 plus shipping and taxes Sep 08 01:49:25 LOL Sep 08 01:49:42 THAT'S A STEAL! Sep 08 01:49:44 $89.99 Sep 08 01:49:47 A MONTH Sep 08 01:49:53 lol Sep 08 01:50:17 no wonder he didn't want to talk to me when i told him i wanted to buy it retail :() Sep 08 01:50:18 :) Sep 08 01:50:24 I got ripped off. Shouldve gotten it at Aarons Sep 08 01:50:25 ajay at 250 dollars simple economics says you begin to consider an android or blackberry Sep 08 01:50:52 and it limits your want for a tp Sep 08 01:51:01 Tptg: apparently.. Sep 08 01:51:06 I would love to have paid so little for my TP :( Sep 08 01:51:13 at 250$ you considering a android or blackberry?? Sep 08 01:51:18 except your probably biased and only considering a gp ;-) Sep 08 01:51:22 tp ;-) Sep 08 01:51:25 there are no non-rip off tablets @ 250-300$ Sep 08 01:51:32 plov: what about lenovos? Sep 08 01:51:34 on sale therd is Sep 08 01:51:44 ajay: the one that isn't even out yet? Sep 08 01:51:50 playbooks have sold at 350 Sep 08 01:51:51 that thing is crap anyway from the reviews Sep 08 01:52:00 ajay: much higher than that and you get better options opening up Sep 08 01:52:13 plov: I dunno.. Sep 08 01:52:48 amazon tablet is the only thing Sep 08 01:52:50 yeah the Lenova 7 incher at 199 is probably going to be the first legit tablet to break out under the 200 mark Sep 08 01:52:57 lenovo* Sep 08 01:52:58 plov: better than the tp reviews? ;^| Sep 08 01:53:05 yea but the lenovo sucks Sep 08 01:53:23 haha Sep 08 01:53:28 it's basically a chinese 100$ tablet with cheap hardware with a brand name slapped on Sep 08 01:53:44 look it is simple, big retailers have walked away from hp touchpad but 100,000+ touchpads are heading on a container ship soon, they have to make it to consumers so get in line somewhere ;-) Sep 08 01:54:24 tptg: Sep 08 01:54:32 a place that buys from distributors would be ideal, tigerdirect.com for example Sep 08 01:54:35 i'm sure they'll just sell it direct from their website. why not Sep 08 01:54:38 plov: yeah, but with a capacitive screen and real warranty support Sep 08 01:54:59 using android 2.2 Sep 08 01:55:14 four weeks ago no one I knew heard of a touchpac Sep 08 01:55:59 i still haven't.. ;^) Sep 08 01:56:01 honestly dont think lenovo tablet will make much news, its the amazon tablet that seems like it'll fly off the shelves Sep 08 01:57:20 plov: agree about the amazon ones. any tablet that comes out sub-300$ will make some damage in the game Sep 08 01:57:55 does the ext3fs/ partition get wiped for you folks on a doctor? Sep 08 01:58:26 Oh man, wish I could get to Toronto easily. :C Sep 08 01:58:50 four weeks ago noone I knew heard of a touchpad and now I find that 20 coworkers or friends knew of the deal and I was the only successful one to get two, 2 of 20 got a touchpad. the odds of getting one are not great if you want at 99 dollars Sep 08 01:58:53 SineOt: did you find something? I have a cousin coming soon Sep 08 01:59:01 http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-phones-PDAs-ipods-HP-Touchpad-BNIB-Sealed-with-HP-Seal-W0QQAdIdZ312251898 < 3 sealed 16GB for 300 total, so basically 33 cents above retail Sep 08 01:59:10 But pick up only Sep 08 01:59:19 no way Sep 08 01:59:26 lemme look Sep 08 01:59:58 I was looking at the British Columbia one and they have a bunch of 16GB for 250-300 which is worse than it is here :P Sep 08 02:00:22 demand car outstrips sipply Sep 08 02:00:33 far outstrips supply Sep 08 02:02:42 no those are 300 each Sep 08 02:02:49 qty 3 in total Sep 08 02:03:13 bbl Sep 08 02:04:38 raise your hand if youve sold any TPs for a gross profit Sep 08 02:05:02 SineOt: oh funny i was looking at the toronto site before you but didn't see that.. oh tptg must be right Sep 08 02:05:25 there are sellers offering at 220 Sep 08 02:05:56 some stores here got inventory this week and sold fast at 199 Sep 08 02:06:16 sold out in an hour or two or less Sep 08 02:06:18 is this for 16gb? Sep 08 02:06:20 or 32? Sep 08 02:06:31 dunno  Sep 08 02:06:48 does it matter? ;-)  Sep 08 02:06:51 yes Sep 08 02:07:09 the cost difference at distributor is $30 Sep 08 02:07:18 retail $50 Sep 08 02:07:36 europe has 64gb touchpads Sep 08 02:07:41 apparently Sep 08 02:08:29 I've seen a few US places sell out in like... 30 minutes. :C Sep 08 02:08:55 That's what happened to our OnSale order. Sold out in like 30 minutes, kept it up for 6 hours. We ordered at like 31 minutes. P: Sep 08 02:09:49 I'm in Uk and haven't heard of any 64GBs for sale :( Sep 08 02:10:01 oh weird, ebay owns 25% of craigslist, and then they sued each other.. hrmm.. Sep 08 02:10:21 Tptg: and they had some pre3s too, one of which a friend of mine bought Sep 08 02:11:09 I love that the playbook got a $150 price cut... to $550. ouch! Sep 08 02:11:19 Tptg: you're right tho, gotta be aggressive.. hrmm.. Sep 08 02:13:17 rim is next to have a fire sale Sep 08 02:13:48 !!! Sep 08 02:13:53 Canadians: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/rfd-exclusive-dell-ca-targus-truss-leather-case-hp-touchpad-12-99-free-ship-1078921/ Sep 08 02:13:53 i'm still hoping to get a free/cheap playbook Sep 08 02:14:16 actually, a RIM firesale might make it easier for me to get a touchpad, so i'm definitely hoping that happens! :) Sep 08 02:15:36 Targus Truss case for $12.99 free shipping :d Sep 08 02:16:20 it will be a while Sep 08 02:21:42 i like the idea of getting a case, but i've been bombarded with case-related emails from slickdeals, so now i hate hearing about them :) Sep 08 02:22:41 * ajay doesn't get it.. internet says leg Sep 08 02:22:46 oops, wrong channelk Sep 08 02:23:09 * haydnh must stop buying gadgets!! Sep 08 02:23:22 haydnh: +1 Sep 08 02:24:30 After getting the Pre3 & TP this months, I've already upgraded my media renderer and wireless router... and we're only a week in to the month... hmmm Sep 08 02:25:26 Not to mention the amount of spare touchstones and chargers etc etc I'm stockpiling! ;P Sep 08 02:28:27 Email spaaaaam. Sep 08 02:28:43 Paypal: Order submitted; Dell: Order Acknowledged; Dell: Order Confirmed Sep 08 02:28:59 haydnh: touchstones?! So that's where they all went. Sep 08 02:29:14 Kidding. Best Buy up here has a bunch of keyboards and power adapters Sep 08 02:29:21 Future Shop online has 16 touchstones Sep 08 02:29:45 Yeah plenty around at the minute, wanted to get a few as I'm bound to leave chargers in hotels etc Sep 08 02:29:58 hehe Sep 08 02:30:37 wtf - searching for "touchpad 64gb" on google.co.uk shopping, 8 out of the first 10 results are for macbooks! Sep 08 02:30:53 but! Sep 08 02:30:56 macbooks have touchpds! Sep 08 02:31:06 and 64 Gee Bees! Sep 08 02:31:22 hmmm Sep 08 02:31:25 amirite? Sep 08 02:32:22 well yeah... i suppose... but "touchpad 32gb" returns the first 9 results for HP TP... Sep 08 02:32:39 Because macbooks don't come in 32 gee bees? They're too good for that. Sep 08 02:33:54 I think my next laptop will probably be a macbook... running linux of course :) Sep 08 02:35:11 * ajay 's friend workin on the Kindle app.. can't even get a TP Sep 08 02:35:45 I gave in and ordered 1 off ebay a couple of days ago :( Sep 08 02:38:33 I got the touchstone and case, just need keyboard and I'll have the complete set! Sep 08 02:38:48 becoming quite a collector's item =p Sep 08 02:39:44 I've got a Keyboard! I'm using it right now. Sep 08 02:39:49 Don't have a touchpad though. :T Sep 08 02:40:20 lol Sep 08 02:40:35 accessories are scarce, gotta find a store that still have them =\ Sep 08 02:41:15 palm eurostore seems to have most accessories still, e-bay's cheaper though Sep 08 02:42:03 well, best buy had them for 50% off Sep 08 02:42:11 unless ebay is cheaper than that Sep 08 02:42:20 I want a pre3 though =\\ Sep 08 02:42:36 actually, I would prefer the 7" opal if they ever went on production Sep 08 02:42:36 yeah, I got this at Best Buy... 50% off then another 15% for it being open box :p Sep 08 02:43:05 ok i copied the pre3 files to my pre2.. will it boot?? Sep 08 02:43:16 Whoever returned this keyboard babied it though. I figure they were old and new to tech given they made a little hand drawn sticker that says which way to move the switch to turn the keyboard on c: Sep 08 02:43:32 lol Sep 08 02:43:48 gotta find this keyboard! Sep 08 02:45:50 I had 2 pre 3s Sep 08 02:45:55 * haydnh hides in the corner Sep 08 02:46:02 ?! Sep 08 02:46:03 screw you Sep 08 02:46:04 lol Sep 08 02:46:05 get him! Sep 08 02:46:19 get his ip! Sep 08 02:46:21 find his address! Sep 08 02:46:25 skin him alive! Sep 08 02:46:26 booted, but no phone.. hrmm.. ;^) Sep 08 02:46:38 nor bluetooth Sep 08 02:46:39 I just want to find someone who got a couple of those $50 Veers Sep 08 02:46:48 Sold 1 to a webos internals guy at a slight loss, kept the other for me :) Sep 08 02:47:06 haydnh: how much were they? Sep 08 02:47:48 I'd like a veer as well, good size for when I'm skydiving. Sep 08 02:48:27 There is a guy here in the states that skydives with a large format camera. Sep 08 02:48:44 lot of people do wrea :) Sep 08 02:49:16 I dont think with a lf camera. I can see a lot of people doing it with a nikon or canon Sep 08 02:51:21 * haydnh googles large format camera Sep 08 02:52:06 Right... time for me to sleep... nn all Sep 08 02:53:23 need to get one of these http://contour.com/products/contour-hd Sep 08 02:54:33 Clark008: I thought it was going to be a skateboard, haha Sep 08 02:54:44 damn, box.net are pretty much spammers :) Sep 08 02:56:51 I definitly put a minecraft server on my pre. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 08 02:59:57 2011