**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 12 02:59:57 2011
Sep 12 03:08:45 <destinal> Hmmm, wonder if sprint knew they were getting the iphone when they turned down pre2/pre3
Sep 12 03:09:37 <destinal> or at least veer/pre3
Sep 12 03:28:59 <eighthree> prolly
Sep 12 04:27:16 <PatrickC_TP> hey all
Sep 12 04:28:25 <lowlevel> hey pat
Sep 12 04:29:02 <PatrickC_TP> EricBlade: ping?
Sep 12 04:29:08 <PatrickC_TP> hey lowlevel 
Sep 12 04:37:41 <PatrickC_TP> I actually bought an app today! :)
Sep 12 04:46:29 <lowlevel> oh gosh, which one
Sep 12 04:46:30 <lowlevel> ?
Sep 12 04:47:28 <PatrickC_TP> Paper Football Pro
Sep 12 04:47:35 <PatrickC_TP> s/pro/plus/
Sep 12 04:48:26 <Shadyman> Super Paper Football Pro Plus HD?
Sep 12 04:48:45 <PatrickC_TP> YES
Sep 12 04:48:47 <PatrickC_TP> yes*
Sep 12 04:48:57 <PatrickC_TP> sorry.. hit the caps lock on the BT keyboard lol
Sep 12 04:52:46 <lowlevel> i had some 'coupon' thing to get a free app
Sep 12 04:52:53 <lowlevel> but, it won't let you get to there without putting in a credit car
Sep 12 04:52:54 <lowlevel> d
Sep 12 04:53:00 <lowlevel> so I just discarded it
Sep 12 04:54:00 <Shadyman> lowlevel: That's normal
Sep 12 04:57:25 <lowlevel> yeah, its normal.. just annoying.
Sep 12 04:57:36 <Shadyman> True
Sep 12 05:21:36 <PatrickC_TP> 15 beta members.. I gave most of them till Wednesday to respond, and if they don't, the beta for Your Radio opens back up again :)
Sep 12 05:21:48 <eighthree> hi PatrickC_TP
Sep 12 05:22:07 <PatrickC_TP> hey eighthree
Sep 12 05:24:12 <PsWii60> is your radio like pandora / iheartradio?
Sep 12 05:24:18 <PatrickC_TP> kinda
Sep 12 05:24:45 <PsWii60> I <3 iheartradio, no pun intended
Sep 12 05:25:17 <PatrickC_TP> lol
Sep 12 05:25:22 <PatrickC_TP> I've not used it that much
Sep 12 05:25:35 <PsWii60> well
Sep 12 05:26:02 <PsWii60> I always listen to one radio station.. and the only place other than the radio it plays is on the iheartradio app lol
Sep 12 05:26:27 <PsWii60> clearwire channel, they probably have some kind of contract with iheartradio or something
Sep 12 05:28:06 <EricBlade> frankly, the touchpad's music abilities are pretty terrible.  it sounds great with movies, but all the music i've played it really sounds crappy
Sep 12 05:28:57 <PsWii60> eh, it sounds decent
Sep 12 05:29:08 <PsWii60> could be your source
Sep 12 05:30:16 <PatrickC_TP> hey EricBlade
Sep 12 05:30:31 <PatrickC_TP> anyone in here got experience with google apps?
Sep 12 05:30:39 <PsWii60> I use it on android
Sep 12 05:30:44 <EricBlade> well i might think that too, but it all mostly sounds great coming from my computer or my ipod earphones
Sep 12 05:30:48 <PatrickC_TP> like, for domains?
Sep 12 05:30:53 <PsWii60> yes
Sep 12 05:30:54 <PsWii60> that too
Sep 12 05:31:03 <PsWii60> I have a gapps hosted domain
Sep 12 05:31:13 <PatrickC_TP> I changed my host, and now my mail isn't being delivered to my google apps addresses
Sep 12 05:31:26 <PsWii60> how long has it been?
Sep 12 05:31:34 <PatrickC_TP> a few weeks I think
Sep 12 05:32:11 <PatrickC_TP> September first was the last time email got delivered to the accoun
Sep 12 05:32:13 <PatrickC_TP> account*
Sep 12 05:32:19 <PsWii60> make sure your mx records are pointed correctly
Sep 12 05:32:26 <PatrickC_TP> idk how to reprint them
Sep 12 05:32:29 <PatrickC_TP> repoint*
Sep 12 05:32:37 <PatrickC_TP> I can't find the setting
Sep 12 05:32:38 <PsWii60> moving from godaddy?
Sep 12 05:33:09 <PatrickC_TP> na. I use freehosts
Sep 12 05:33:16 <PatrickC_TP> but I have a static domain (.co.cc)
Sep 12 05:33:22 <PsWii60> k well can't help u there
Sep 12 05:33:24 <PsWii60> but
Sep 12 05:33:51 <PsWii60> sent u a msg with the proper mail servers
Sep 12 05:34:20 <PatrickC_TP> IGNTNUNLMTD: get the most recent email?
Sep 12 05:34:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no :-(
Sep 12 05:35:34 <PatrickC_TP> hmm.. lemme make sure I sent it to u..
Sep 12 05:37:06 <PatrickC_TP> umm... I thought I added you to the list...
Sep 12 05:37:10 <PatrickC_TP> argh.. lol
Sep 12 05:37:46 <PatrickC_TP> whipsig or IGNTNUNLMTD email?
Sep 12 05:38:28 <EricBlade> enyo peeps, anyone here familiar with Panes and Views?  i'm having what looks like a horrific bug in a Pane View, and trying to figure out another way to do this ..  I have a Pane that has two views, both of which are VirtualRepeaters .. when I scroll down below the first page of the repeater .. none of the clicks go through to the app
Sep 12 05:39:18 <PatrickC_TP> I use panes
Sep 12 05:39:28 <PatrickC_TP> but don't use VirtualRepeaters
Sep 12 05:39:29 <PatrickC_TP> sorry
Sep 12 05:45:50 <kesne> hmm
Sep 12 05:45:58 <kesne> PatrickC_TP: ping
Sep 12 05:46:00 <PatrickC_TP> kesne!
Sep 12 05:46:02 <EricBlade> going to try putting the scroller section inside the view instead of having the pane inside the scroller.. and see if that works.. though my initial attempt at that leaves me with Chrome operating weirdly, and on device throwing Syntax Errors at no known location . argh.
Sep 12 05:46:02 <PatrickC_TP> hey
Sep 12 05:46:19 <PatrickC_TP> kesne: what's up?
Sep 12 05:47:57 <kesne> EricBlade: I think I can help you
Sep 12 05:48:03 <kesne> EricBlade: Let me think this out.
Sep 12 05:51:04 <kesne> EricBlade: Make sure the panes are vFlexBoxes, and throw the repeaters in scrollers
Sep 12 05:55:11 <EricBlade> ok, just adding a scroller to the inside of the pane seems to fix it.  that's annoying.
Sep 12 05:58:35 <EricBlade> that works great in Chrome, on device, i'm merely getting "error: Uncaught SyntaxError".  wtf does that mean..
Sep 12 06:01:01 <EricBlade> in emulator i don't get that error either. arrrrrrrrrgh
Sep 12 06:01:10 <kesne> Delete app -> reinstall
Sep 12 06:01:29 <PatrickC_TP> night all
Sep 12 06:02:44 <EricBlade> you're a genius, kesne
Sep 12 06:02:54 <kesne> I try
Sep 12 06:03:11 <torchie> sup dawgsx
Sep 12 06:13:17 <ziggo0> echo......
Sep 12 06:35:50 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC_TP, 2 why do you come into #wirc ask questions and then leave
Sep 12 06:41:44 <Shadyman> lol
Sep 12 08:36:18 <tabasko> hmm, is there instapaper app for touchpad? :)
Sep 12 08:50:49 <directhex> yes
Sep 12 08:51:11 <directhex> http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/
Sep 12 10:34:41 <SimpsonTP> is there a way on a touchpad to load pictures from SD cards or alike ?
Sep 12 10:38:47 <hucksy> usb mode only
Sep 12 10:39:13 <hucksy> or internet ;)
Sep 12 10:44:46 <directhex> SimpsonTP, there's no SD card slot on any WebOS devices
Sep 12 10:44:50 <directhex> annoyingly
Sep 12 10:45:41 <SimpsonTP> hmm that much I figured already :(
Sep 12 10:46:24 <SimpsonTP> my GF would like to use a tablet to look at training pics/videos she shoots with a digicam
Sep 12 10:46:36 <SimpsonTP> ( and no shooting them with touchpad / pre is no option )
Sep 12 13:40:43 <HattCzech_work> morning, all
Sep 12 13:45:03 <Singham> hi..Is palmos and webos same ?
Sep 12 13:45:26 <technikfreak45> no
Sep 12 14:24:49 <warpdesign> hi
Sep 12 14:44:16 <GWF2> Hi again
Sep 12 14:44:52 <GWF2> Are there any good free media players for webos
Sep 12 14:45:27 <GWF2> There's kalemSoft but Ig
Sep 12 14:45:37 <GWF2> But it isn't free
Sep 12 15:09:45 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/htc-giving-consideration-buying-its-own-os
Sep 12 15:11:32 <summatusmentis> yeah yeah, I read it, it seems like it's entirely conjecture
Sep 12 15:12:09 <fxspec06> i'm not sure how i feel about it
Sep 12 15:12:40 <summatusmentis> I'm skeptical it'll happen until I see it
Sep 12 15:13:43 <fxspec06> that's a good attitude. there's no real sense worrying about something that hasn't and most likely will not happen
Sep 12 15:16:30 <fxspec06> i'm not really sure how much i trust HTC's 'software experience'
Sep 12 15:16:49 <fxspec06> (i don't trust it at all)
Sep 12 15:19:07 <summatusmentis> well, Sense makes android nice-ish
Sep 12 15:19:08 <HattCzech_work> i'm with fxspec06 on that
Sep 12 15:20:45 <fxspec06> taking a pile of crap and turning it into a cool sculpture is still a pile of crap
Sep 12 15:22:41 <Khaytsus> Sense is garbage.
Sep 12 15:22:57 <Khaytsus> It changes the framework around screwing up random standard stuff.
Sep 12 15:23:06 <Khaytsus> for a launcher with pretty widgets..
Sep 12 15:47:06 <thisisit> hello, i have a probelm with fileterlist and list, i hide the list and show results when user types something in the filter field.  so when a user press a space bar or click the search button on the screen, nothing happens(just the search field pops up - nothing is searched and the list is shown) becuase no letters or words are typed. The problem arises when the user scrolls the list and then press space or click on the search butto
Sep 12 15:47:08 <thisisit> But it appears that the search field pops up, but there is no list. i want the list to be visible when user does not type anything. And i found that when we touch on the list area (where nothing is shown) the list appears again.  Any workaround?
Sep 12 15:53:06 <fxspec06> not sure what you mean exactly. never worked w/ filterlists
Sep 12 16:17:53 <thisisit> there is a filterlist in default mail app in webos 3 touchpad. but the search field cannot be closed in it. i think i better show the whole list when nothing is searched.
Sep 12 16:37:20 <HattCzech_work> morning, chuqui
Sep 12 16:38:20 <chuqui> hey, morning
Sep 12 16:38:42 <hotdp> chuqui: is your keycard still working at HP ?`
Sep 12 16:38:47 <outstanding> its afternoon here!
Sep 12 16:39:10 <chuqui> yup.
Sep 12 16:39:33 <chuqui> badge worked. vpn works. email works. it's a good day. and my email is still @palm.com..
Sep 12 16:39:45 <hotdp> haha
Sep 12 16:39:56 <hotdp> But no information about your future?
Sep 12 16:39:59 <summatusmentis> OMG HP IS SPINNING OFF WEBOS INTO A COMPANY CALLED PALM
Sep 12 16:40:01 <summatusmentis> >_>
Sep 12 16:40:29 <fxspec06> omg. no way. O.O
Sep 12 16:40:56 <fxspec06> so wait. HP created a company called palm. and then they sold webos to the new company? GENIUS
Sep 12 16:40:58 <summatusmentis> that's obviously why chuqui's email is still @palm.com
Sep 12 16:41:01 <HattCzech_work> i wonder if that would be like the palm -> palmsource -> palm thing again :)
Sep 12 16:41:31 <chuqui> fxspec06:  no, not exactly. Palm was brought into HP as an indpendent business unit.
Sep 12 16:42:44 <fxspec06> at least some people still have jobs there
Sep 12 16:43:19 <fxspec06> is there anything exciting coming up that you can't talk about?
Sep 12 16:43:41 <Da|Mummy> those assholes
Sep 12 16:44:42 <Khaytsus> summatusmentis: So you got bored trolling in #android and now you're here I guess?
Sep 12 16:45:14 <summatusmentis> Khaytsus: pardon? I honestly can't remember the last time I was in #android
Sep 12 16:45:36 <summatusmentis> and quite frankly, a single joke is not nearly the same thing as trolling
Sep 12 16:45:48 <fxspec06> what is android? -.-
Sep 12 16:46:02 <fxspec06> (/s)
Sep 12 16:46:07 <summatusmentis> Khaytsus: further, I'm not new here
Sep 12 16:46:38 <fxspec06> ^^^^^^^^^ i can verify that. he's usually here
Sep 12 16:57:48 <Khaytsus> fxspec06: Sorry to hear ;)
Sep 12 17:03:41 <NuttyBunny> argh
Sep 12 17:03:44 <NuttyBunny> hi everyone
Sep 12 17:05:21 <fxspec06> hola senior nutz
Sep 12 17:05:34 <NuttyBunny> hola :)
Sep 12 17:05:45 <fxspec06> what's happenin
Sep 12 17:05:51 <fxspec06> anything good
Sep 12 17:06:13 <NuttyBunny> nope... I can't update photofun because my service refuses to load after the update :@
Sep 12 17:06:41 <fxspec06> thats not good
Sep 12 17:07:06 <fxspec06> do you really need the service though? who needs services. to hell with them
Sep 12 17:07:14 <fxspec06> ;)
Sep 12 17:07:18 <NuttyBunny> yep, I need it to save :'(
Sep 12 17:07:54 <fxspec06> awh. theres probs a line or two thats causing it
Sep 12 17:08:36 <NuttyBunny> nope, nothing changed between versions, the problem is that not even run-js-service finds it, so, it must be something in the install process :S
Sep 12 17:08:58 <NuttyBunny> but on the other hand, playing Starfox in the TouchPad is, well, just AMAZING :D
Sep 12 17:09:04 <NuttyBunny> Do a barrel roll!
Sep 12 17:09:13 <fxspec06> lol
Sep 12 17:09:21 <fxspec06> starfox?!'
Sep 12 17:09:30 <NuttyBunny> starfox 64
Sep 12 17:09:35 <NuttyBunny> don't you follow me on twitter? :P
Sep 12 17:10:09 <fxspec06> i do. but. i've been listening to the radio talk about how bad the redflops are doing all morning, while reading my college book
Sep 12 17:10:24 <kevets_> anyone familiar with drpodder-hb?
Sep 12 17:10:47 <kevets_> I may have imported an opml file with way too many feeds
Sep 12 17:10:53 * NuttyBunny sticks the Mario 64 rom in his TP
Sep 12 17:11:00 <kevets_> and want to just delete all in one shot
Sep 12 17:11:12 <fxspec06> nop, sry
Sep 12 17:11:25 <kevets_> hmmm
Sep 12 17:11:29 <fxspec06> mario!
Sep 12 17:11:36 <NuttyBunny> kevets_, you could delete the app, maybe the config and saved feeds go away with the app
Sep 12 17:12:07 <fxspec06> oh yeah, nutty, i got your app w/ one of your promo codes. i know i'm cheap. but i left a 5* review!
Sep 12 17:13:16 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: Thanks! :D   I just need to figure how to update it, I don't want tons of complains because of the app no longer working :S
Sep 12 17:13:21 <kevets_> nutty - gonna try that now
Sep 12 17:15:51 <fxspec06> ugh. you want to hear a complaint
Sep 12 17:16:15 <fxspec06> "Okay I guess, seems like this should've been free but I love poker and was excited to see something like this for webos. I wouldn't recommend unless you were just really desperate for a poker game"
Sep 12 17:16:46 <NuttyBunny> damn.... that's the reason I didn't want to sell my apps ;)
Sep 12 17:17:09 <fxspec06> like really. that just makes me never want to release another app ever
Sep 12 17:17:40 <fxspec06> that's so mean. he doesn't even understand what he said
Sep 12 17:18:50 <fxspec06> maybe i should release it for free. everyone would get it.
Sep 12 17:18:57 <NuttyBunny> and I assume it was a 1 or 2 start review?
Sep 12 17:19:13 <NuttyBunny> stars
Sep 12 17:19:32 <fxspec06> no! it was a 3* review! i swear he did it just to shoot me in the ass, because now it shows up on positive section. where everyone sees.
Sep 12 17:20:32 <NuttyBunny> argh
Sep 12 17:20:46 <fxspec06> i'd rather him give it 1* and say something stupid like 'app didnt download' or 'i suck at poker'
Sep 12 17:22:25 <fxspec06> he doesn't even say anything about it. why should it be free. what is bad about it. he says nothing. "seems like this should've been free" -- it sounds like he never even used it
Sep 12 17:22:47 <NuttyBunny> check this one: 2 stars: "Takes pics as it says, but its hard to hit the shutter button..... Camera for Touchpad is much better, even though is 99¢ " (lists features) -- it's a free camera app that just takes pics, what did they expect??!!!
Sep 12 17:22:54 <NuttyBunny> (that was for freecam)
Sep 12 17:23:09 <fxspec06> lol
Sep 12 17:23:19 <fxspec06> ugh
Sep 12 17:23:27 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Sep 12 17:23:42 <fxspec06> and what kills me is many people have it that most likely love it and never leave reviews
Sep 12 17:23:44 <NuttyBunny> of course, there are those who say "app doesn't work", but it's their device
Sep 12 17:23:56 <NuttyBunny> yep! same here!
Sep 12 17:24:15 <fxspec06> like i can understand for a free app not leaving reviews. there are so many. but for a paid app? i almost always leave reviews
Sep 12 17:24:26 <fxspec06> esp if there aren't many
Sep 12 17:24:59 <fxspec06> 14 / ~300 is less than 5%
Sep 12 17:25:03 <NuttyBunny> yep, me too, maybe it'll take a while, but I leave my review, even if it's only to help the devs
Sep 12 17:25:06 <fxspec06> is that the average?!?
Sep 12 17:25:24 <fxspec06> less htan 5%? is that the average of people who leave reviews
Sep 12 17:25:31 <thisisit> anyone noticed problem with filterlist when scrolling? nothing in the list when we search after scrolled.
Sep 12 17:26:29 <NuttyBunny> well, 57755 downloads, 190 reviews here (and I only see 14)
Sep 12 17:26:37 <kevets_> drpodder looks sweet, would only be better as a podcast playing app if it had bookmarks like music player remix
Sep 12 17:26:47 <kevets_> that is the best feature in that app
Sep 12 17:27:45 <NuttyBunny> kevets_, did the advice work?
Sep 12 17:27:56 <fxspec06> damn. that's not even 1%. that's like. 30% of 1%
Sep 12 17:28:12 <EricBlade> hmm.t rying to install update to App Catalog, and my device is unable to do anything except open card view.  arr
Sep 12 17:28:14 <kevets_> yes it did, thanks
Sep 12 17:28:23 <NuttyBunny> EricBlade, reboot :P
Sep 12 17:28:39 <EricBlade> i dont' really want to interrupt it in the middle of install
Sep 12 17:28:51 <NuttyBunny> ah, no, wait then :)
Sep 12 17:29:10 <divStar> hm.. does anyone happen to know if WebOS supports almost all abilities of a HTML5 Audio object? Since I'd like to try to implement some kind of equalizer ..
Sep 12 17:29:54 <fxspec06> divStar: supposedly yes
Sep 12 17:30:03 <NuttyBunny> but it has some latency
Sep 12 17:30:44 <kevets_> oh man drpodder automatically does bookmarks, this is great
Sep 12 17:30:54 <fxspec06> psh, it can handle it. ;) but that's just my opinion
Sep 12 17:30:59 <divStar> another strange thing about playing mp3 or something using the integrated music player is that sometimes it like .. lags or something o_O
Sep 12 17:31:01 <fxspec06> re: EricBlade
Sep 12 17:31:10 <thisisit> i find it much better not to show the list when searching starts. that solves the problem. Thanks guys
Sep 12 17:31:15 <divStar> (it lags with the original kernel and player and with a modified kernel as well)
Sep 12 17:31:28 <fxspec06> sorry thisisit. =( no experience with that
Sep 12 17:31:52 <NuttyBunny> Ok, I've automatically traveled ... what.. 15 years back? Mario 64 works perfectly!!!
Sep 12 17:31:54 <thisisit> no problem. fxspec06
Sep 12 17:32:05 <divStar> NuttyBunny - on what?
Sep 12 17:32:12 <NuttyBunny> on my TouchPad, of course
Sep 12 17:32:25 <divStar> ah .. it has a N64 emulator?
Sep 12 17:32:38 <NuttyBunny> mupen64plus
Sep 12 17:33:02 <divStar> nice .. well I don't have a Touchpad :/ didn't manage to get one sadly .. I managed to get a Veer though :D and I love that mini phone
Sep 12 17:33:09 <EricBlade> it finally recovered.. but then took every single one of the clicks i made while it was sitting theren ot doing anything..
Sep 12 17:33:19 <divStar> and everyone at work is asking what that cute little thingy is XD
Sep 12 17:33:40 <NuttyBunny> EricBlade: Yep, it caches all the touches, you just learned that :D
Sep 12 17:34:09 <NuttyBunny> divStar: Yep, I'd love to have one of those babies, but right now I need a Pre3
Sep 12 17:34:45 <divStar> to be honest I'd have preferred a Pre3 .. but a Veer is awesome too .. can do pretty much anything I'd ever need ..
Sep 12 17:34:56 <halfhalo> I want pre3
Sep 12 17:34:57 <divStar> the only thing that annoys me sometimes is that the music actually seems to "jump" at times ..
Sep 12 17:35:21 <divStar> I think it might be due to the CPU scaling up and down at times ..
Sep 12 17:35:28 <EricBlade> on the topic of reviews, i have a "lots of broken graphics" review on mine ..  i don't have any graphics. i think that's the perfect example of a completely useless review
Sep 12 17:36:30 <NuttyBunny> divStar: Yep, that should be it, funny thing it doesn't happen on the Pre 2, and it uses the same scaling scheme
Sep 12 17:37:21 <divStar> hm I really wonder then why it does it .. but I guess I won't be able to fix it, because my linux/unix knowledge is not good enough :(
Sep 12 17:38:00 <divStar> though maybe I could use Govnah to make the CPU clock at ~500mhz and not downscale while I am listening to music
Sep 12 17:38:29 <kevets_> hmm is there a way to do landscape view in exhibition photos mode?
Sep 12 17:38:35 <kevets_> on a pre2?
Sep 12 17:39:17 <kevets_> I'm using touchstone more now that I have a job with my own desk
Sep 12 17:39:35 <kevets_> so great to just toss it on there when it needs charging
Sep 12 17:43:58 <NuttyBunny> kevets_, Exhibition on the phones is locked to portrait in 2.1.x :(
Sep 12 17:44:40 <kevets_> yeaa that stinks for photos ive shot in landscape
Sep 12 17:45:02 <kevets_> seems like it should be able to flip
Sep 12 17:45:13 <divStar> I'd like to be able to flip the main screen :D
Sep 12 17:45:40 <NuttyBunny> argh.. I'm gonna kill someone... the stupid service won't run
Sep 12 17:45:48 <kevets_> like landscape icons and what not? like the touchpad?
Sep 12 17:45:56 <divStar> oh that works on the touchpad?
Sep 12 17:46:31 <kevets_> I think it did? ive only used my brothers
Sep 12 17:46:40 <dwc-> halfhalo: shoulda picked up both a world and an ATT and an EU pre3 while you were at palm :p
Sep 12 17:46:45 <divStar> well it'd be nice .. but then again it's not important
Sep 12 17:46:57 <halfhalo> dwc- I tried....
Sep 12 17:48:04 <divStar> I wish there was a droid for all 2.1.1 users - just for the heck of it .. I'm sorta pretty okay with WebOS .. especially cause it's easy (relatively easy) to develop for it ..
Sep 12 17:48:19 <divStar> but it's kinda annoying that the emulator doesn't support sound :( so I have to debug on my device instead
Sep 12 17:48:22 <dwc-> that is not the droid you're looking for
Sep 12 17:48:43 <fxspec06> kevets_ make your own exhibition app. use webkit-rotate
Sep 12 17:48:48 <fxspec06> ;)
Sep 12 17:49:16 <divStar> hm.. I wonder why HTML5 Audio doesn't properly work in Firefox 5 D:
Sep 12 17:49:43 <hotdp> lol
Sep 12 17:49:53 <NuttyBunny> why everyone wants to pollute their webOS devices with robotOS? :S
Sep 12 17:49:54 <hotdp> firefox === fail
Sep 12 17:50:02 <NuttyBunny> divStar, use chrome instead
Sep 12 17:50:16 <divStar> actually .. Android is the only Google-thing I really like ..
Sep 12 17:50:21 <divStar> even though I do use GMail D:
Sep 12 17:50:30 <fxspec06> yeah firefox is pretty much destroyed. everything i try to run on there just doesn't work
Sep 12 17:50:33 <divStar> besides .. I think IE9 is fail ..
Sep 12 17:50:36 <NuttyBunny> chrome is the closest thing to the webkit browser we have on the phones
Sep 12 17:50:45 <fxspec06> it's not what you think. it's what is
Sep 12 17:50:51 <hotdp> firefox != webkit
Sep 12 17:50:58 <divStar> is there some version that doesn'T call back and announce my list of sites I've served to google?
Sep 12 17:51:02 <cwayne> I THINK IE6 IS JUST AWFUL
Sep 12 17:51:17 <divStar> lol cwayne :D .. IE6 .. what's that? Please don't revive the dead
Sep 12 17:51:19 <fxspec06> cwayne: IE6 was quite possibly the greatest browser ever made
Sep 12 17:51:25 <fxspec06> =D
Sep 12 17:51:34 <divStar> it was the most horrible browser I've ever encountered D:
Sep 12 17:51:52 <divStar> it took longer to write hacks for IE6 than to actually write all the other stuff
Sep 12 17:51:58 <thisisit> divStar: ie6 is not dead. still holds some market share
Sep 12 17:52:32 <divStar> well .. the browser is dead enough in order not to take it into consideration
Sep 12 17:52:44 <divStar> at least the companies I worked for didn't consider IE6 much anymore
Sep 12 17:54:16 <rwatkins> IE6 any worse than Netscape Navigator?
Sep 12 17:56:06 <divStar> hm... that I am not sure .. but IE6 had to do everything in a differnt way .. that was the most annoying thing about it
Sep 12 17:56:47 <divStar> btw IE9 doesn't do html5 audio either .. god .. why does WebOS support all that .. and the recent browsers don't? :/
Sep 12 17:56:48 <rwatkins> uh, got back and look at Netscape 4.x from the same time.
Sep 12 17:57:03 <rwatkins> use those lovely "<layer>" tags.
Sep 12 17:57:13 <rwatkins> or "<font>"
Sep 12 17:57:28 <fxspec06> =o what are those
Sep 12 17:57:33 * fxspec06 no comprende
Sep 12 17:57:34 <fxspec06> lol
Sep 12 17:57:37 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Sep 12 17:57:54 <rwatkins> IE6 is 10 years old.  Netscape pioneered the "make up your own tags".
Sep 12 17:58:15 <CTLAdvance> IE9 supports html5 audio
Sep 12 17:58:16 <rwatkins> i imagine if you wrote a browser 10 years ago, it'd look pretty crappy today.
Sep 12 17:58:29 <divStar> right.. only mp3 tho ..
Sep 12 17:58:32 <divStar> and probably not locally
Sep 12 17:58:36 <fxspec06> so wait. did al gore create netscape
Sep 12 17:58:38 <divStar> that's what I just found out @ CTLAdvance
Sep 12 17:58:43 <CTLAdvance> yes it does
Sep 12 17:58:47 <CTLAdvance> but yeah mp3 only
Sep 12 17:58:53 <divStar> locally too?
Sep 12 17:58:54 <CTLAdvance> I think WebOS is MP3 and wav though
Sep 12 17:59:02 <divStar> like .. from my hdd?
Sep 12 17:59:05 <CTLAdvance> As in if it is on your computer
Sep 12 17:59:05 <CTLAdvance> yes
Sep 12 17:59:09 <CTLAdvance> yep
Sep 12 17:59:12 * fxspec06 gets best results with .wav 16 bit signed 44khz
Sep 12 17:59:14 <CTLAdvance> if the path is correct
Sep 12 17:59:20 <divStar> interesting cause I just tried the example from w3c and it worked for me
Sep 12 17:59:26 <divStar> but locally it doesn't for some reason
Sep 12 17:59:27 <NuttyBunny> NCSA Mosaic FTW!!!
Sep 12 17:59:55 <rwatkins> WorldWideWeb - ran it on my NeXT a few times in the day.
Sep 12 18:00:10 <CTLAdvance> IE9 doesnt support alot of what webOS does because it wasnt based on webKit
Sep 12 18:00:21 <CTLAdvance> correction
Sep 12 18:00:38 <CTLAdvance> so HTML 5 it has support for really good
Sep 12 18:00:40 <divStar> hm .. well I didn't expect IE9 to support anything of that at all
Sep 12 18:00:43 <CTLAdvance> custom css is hit or miss
Sep 12 18:00:59 <divStar> but I did expect FF6 to support most of the stuff
Sep 12 18:01:08 <CTLAdvance> so webkit- tags in css for ms are usually ms- tags now because they are vendor specific
Sep 12 18:01:14 <CTLAdvance> but transitions do not work
Sep 12 18:01:17 <divStar> yesterday I had to kill firefox, cause it was 450+ Megabyte in RAM .. for some reason D:
Sep 12 18:01:20 <CTLAdvance> and I am not sure what else
Sep 12 18:01:33 <divStar> probably css animations don't work either
Sep 12 18:01:34 <CTLAdvance> IE10 didnt have support yet for that when I installed the last version of it
Sep 12 18:01:46 <CTLAdvance> firefox is a hot mess
Sep 12 18:01:56 <EricBlade> divStar: hmm. my Opera installation is running 1.2gigs right now in ram usage. . but i have 150 tabs open
Sep 12 18:02:04 <dwc-> divStar: shoudln't you be on firefox 6 or 7 by now?
Sep 12 18:02:12 <divStar> I am on 6.02 now .. just updated
Sep 12 18:02:27 <divStar> from 5 D:.. but it's still stupid .. like .. every week a new major version wtf
Sep 12 18:02:34 <fxspec06> firefox recently announced that version numbers dont mean anything
Sep 12 18:02:46 * dwc- is still on 3.6.22
Sep 12 18:02:53 <EricBlade> chrome is on 15 or 16 now
Sep 12 18:02:53 <dwc-> chrome's numbers don't really mean anything either
Sep 12 18:02:57 <fxspec06> that's my favorite. but i'm on 4 now
Sep 12 18:03:00 <fxspec06> 6
Sep 12 18:03:05 <dwc-> firefox's version number increment just means they can stop supporting older releases sooner
Sep 12 18:03:09 <divStar> I'd install Chrome, but I don't want Google to read all my lists :(
Sep 12 18:03:09 <fxspec06> 3.6 was incredible though
Sep 12 18:03:16 <dwc-> and making it difficult for corporations to test and adopt
Sep 12 18:03:35 <CTLAdvance> firefox was never big in corp world
Sep 12 18:03:51 <CTLAdvance> and I doubt it will be anytime soon, I think this just hit a few more nails in the coffin for corp use
Sep 12 18:04:18 <fxspec06> if you were a corp, why would you ever want to upgrade from IE6
Sep 12 18:04:25 <fxspec06> all that specialized software
Sep 12 18:05:12 <CTLAdvance> well IE8 works fine with IE6 based stuff
Sep 12 18:06:02 <CTLAdvance> actually IE9 and 10 work good as well. Though you start to see some of the rough edges
Sep 12 18:06:24 <NuttyBunny> CTLAdvance, yes, but they have some sort of "mode" switching
Sep 12 18:07:11 <fxspec06> GOD MODE
Sep 12 18:07:13 <CTLAdvance> yep, legacy support... and if they didnt support legacy stuff so much we may have a better IE
Sep 12 18:07:33 * fxspec06 thinks all browsers should have an IE6 mode
Sep 12 18:07:49 <rwatkins> ya, thatd be alot of fun to write.
Sep 12 18:08:05 <fxspec06> lol
Sep 12 18:08:06 <dwc-> there are a number of corps that started to adopt firefox because they didn't want everyone running IE6 for everything
Sep 12 18:08:23 <NuttyBunny> there's an extension 4 firefox, ietab :P
Sep 12 18:08:35 <CTLAdvance> Alot of that firefox adaptation was killed when they upgraded to IE8
Sep 12 18:08:46 <dwc-> there's also that chrome extension for IE
Sep 12 18:15:15 <rwatkins> ietab probably doesnt work so well on a mac
Sep 12 18:17:53 <NuttyBunny> neither on linux :)
Sep 12 18:18:43 <directhex> ie6 must die. and microsoft agrees.
Sep 12 18:19:41 <Loudergood> even they can't kill it
Sep 12 18:20:33 <dwc-> they keep trying!
Sep 12 18:20:38 <directhex> big problem is china. 30% of net users are on ie6
Sep 12 18:24:06 <nohorse> i picked up a veer over the weekend.  any word on  webos 2.2 update for veer on ATT?
Sep 12 18:24:24 <NuttyBunny> heh
Sep 12 18:24:27 <NuttyBunny> nope
Sep 12 18:25:41 <Loudergood> get in line behind us Pre2 owners ;)
Sep 12 18:33:37 <directhex> 2.2 is old hat. bored of it! so oooold!
Sep 12 18:36:16 <Da|Mummy> music.google has a 20,000 song limit :{ what am i supposed to do with the other 80% of my music?
Sep 12 18:38:15 <dwc-> you have, legitimately, 100,000 songs?
Sep 12 18:38:56 <fxspec06> wow that's a lot
Sep 12 18:39:20 <Da|Mummy> i wouldnt say legitimately, but maybe more
Sep 12 18:40:18 <fxspec06> maybe you could pay google for more space
Sep 12 18:40:47 <Da|Mummy> they give me like 052730597 terabytes for email...why not for music?
Sep 12 18:41:13 <NuttyBunny> legally?
Sep 12 18:41:25 <fxspec06> maybe because it's not easy to torrent 100,000 10mb emails
Sep 12 18:41:32 * fxspec06 shrugs
Sep 12 18:41:57 <Da|Mummy> only like 120 of my albums are legally owned
Sep 12 18:44:25 <fxspec06> why do you think google should allow more than 20,000 songs for free?
Sep 12 18:45:04 <fxspec06> personally i think it's pretty cool that they allow any at all. that's mighty kind of them
Sep 12 18:45:15 <Da|Mummy> because they can afford it?
Sep 12 18:45:40 <dwc-> that's mighty grand of you to tell them they should give away all their resources
Sep 12 18:46:18 <dwc-> that's why all the recording labels should give you their music for free too, right?
Sep 12 18:46:27 <Da|Mummy> well if theyre gonna rape my private information all over the internet, they might as well give me something for it
Sep 12 18:47:03 <dwc-> uh-huh. because they do that... when exactly?
Sep 12 18:47:05 <fxspec06> you don't have to give away your private information
Sep 12 18:47:09 <Da|Mummy> thats actually how i started buying music :| an artists let me download their whole 2 albums for free, and since then i bought all like 12 albums from him
Sep 12 18:47:32 <fxspec06> how do they give away your information???
Sep 12 18:48:43 <Da|Mummy> theyre google, they already know  quite well what i fap to
Sep 12 18:49:00 <fxspec06> how so?
Sep 12 18:50:49 <fxspec06> i'm sure that one artist is very happy now. i'm surprised he hasn't sent you a letter in the mail for purchasing every single one of his albums. and that MORE than makes up for the other 99,988 albums you illegally 'own'
Sep 12 18:53:00 <Da|Mummy> well im not gonna go out and buy 50 cent's albums....or lil wayne. well ok i dont even download lil wayne albums
Sep 12 18:54:48 <fxspec06> why not? you listen to him? does he not deserve your money?
Sep 12 18:57:05 <fxspec06> there's no way that 50 cent takes up a good chunk of 100k songs
Sep 12 18:58:07 <Da|Mummy> of course not
Sep 12 18:58:15 <Da|Mummy> to both questions
Sep 12 18:59:36 <summatusmentis> for the record, Google gives you 8GB for email
Sep 12 18:59:46 <fxspec06> if it's okay to steal 50 cent's music, by that logic it would be okay to steal jason mraz's music. and then it would be okay to steal the format's music. and four years strong's music. and why stop at music. why not steal games and applications. why not steal mobile software. pc software. we've all done bad things. 50 cent riddles our airwaves with crappy music, and software devs riddle our
Sep 12 18:59:46 <fxspec06> computers / devices with malware and spam
Sep 12 19:02:12 <klausa> What's the best twitter app for touchpad?
Sep 12 19:03:03 <pcworld> klausa: the one's that are not released :P
Sep 12 19:03:39 <Da|Mummy> hmm did gmail lower its limit on space? i coulda sword it was like 76terabytes of data not too long ago
Sep 12 19:03:43 <klausa> Ah.
Sep 12 19:03:53 <klausa> Any way to grab unreleased version ;)?
Sep 12 19:05:24 <summatusmentis> klausa: I've been using Spaz HD, I might switch to Incredible!
Sep 12 19:06:12 <fxspec06> spaz is nice. i like the one in glimpse, but that's $4.99 (comes w/ a lot more than just twitter)
Sep 12 19:06:43 <summatusmentis> I don't like the one in glimpse, although it's notifications seem to be the most consistent
Sep 12 19:08:14 <klausa> Anything that integrates with gReader?
Sep 12 19:08:29 <klausa> I see Feeder in App Catalog, is that ok?
Sep 12 19:08:46 <summatusmentis> I really like NomNomNom
Sep 12 19:12:44 <fxspec06> glimpse does that..
Sep 12 19:15:10 <klausa> Spax HD seems really nice, thanks.
Sep 12 19:21:44 <Da|Mummy> netsplit
Sep 12 19:27:46 <NuttyBunny> Your app has been submitted
Sep 12 19:27:56 <Khaytsus> It has?  I didn't write an app!
Sep 12 19:28:02 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Sep 12 19:28:03 <Khaytsus> I CALL SHENANIGANS!
Sep 12 19:28:33 <NuttyBunny> hey chuqui !! (you ignored me last time) ;)
Sep 12 19:28:43 <chuqui> NuttyBunny: ignored who?
Sep 12 19:29:11 <NuttyBunny> ah, nice way to call your attention ;)
Sep 12 19:29:41 <NuttyBunny> about profile countries, see PM
Sep 12 19:29:57 <divStar> hm .. where is the example of the default music app in webos 2.1? wasn't it in the sdk?
Sep 12 19:30:05 <divStar> I wanted to try something
Sep 12 19:30:22 * NuttyBunny ducks
Sep 12 19:30:26 <NuttyBunny> shit.. hehehe
Sep 12 19:30:29 <NuttyBunny> netsplittt!
Sep 12 19:31:44 * NuttyBunny sobs
Sep 12 19:32:11 <NuttyBunny> please devs, don't forget to make your apps available to Mexico as well... *sigh*
Sep 12 19:32:35 * NuttyBunny wonders what will happen with a German Pre3 using a Mexico Palm profile :D
Sep 12 19:32:52 <NuttyBunny> Crash all the servers!!!!
Sep 12 19:33:18 <Khaytsus> Oops, is THAT what that plug was?
Sep 12 19:33:20 * Khaytsus plugs it back in
Sep 12 19:35:23 <fxspec06> whatever you do, don't cut that thick thick thick golden cord in your basement in an attempt to melt it and make $$$$$$$$
Sep 12 19:36:26 * NuttyBunny kicks Telcel in the nuts
Sep 12 19:37:46 <NuttyBunny> brb
Sep 12 20:12:28 <klausa> Sooo, I'm trying to instal Preware.
Sep 12 20:12:35 <klausa> I guess it hanging for 5+ minutes on:
Sep 12 20:13:14 <klausa> Installing org.webosinternals.preware_1.7.5
Sep 12 20:13:17 <klausa> isn't normal?
Sep 12 20:14:10 <wrea> it happened to me once or twice. Kill the process and try again
Sep 12 20:16:28 <klausa> Ah, nevermind, I was selecting USB Drive mode.
Sep 12 20:17:38 <Newbiiie> Hi guys any one now how i can add jabber and sip to my accounts?
Sep 12 20:20:45 <Newbiiie> any guess
Sep 12 20:27:28 <fxspec06> there's no way ATM. rumor has it there is something in the works though
Sep 12 20:28:06 <Newbiiie> fxspec06 for my problem?
Sep 12 20:30:58 <klausa> After I installed UberKernel, do I need to keep app it installs?
Sep 12 20:40:03 <NuttyBunny> back
Sep 12 20:47:47 <dawm|laptop> wow..
Sep 12 20:47:54 <dawm|laptop> my mom is visiting for a 2nd time
Sep 12 20:47:59 <dawm|laptop> she just asked me if i wanted a microwave
Sep 12 20:48:10 <dawm|laptop> i asked her.. whats above my stove?
Sep 12 20:48:18 <dawm|laptop> wow she's dumb
Sep 12 20:48:24 <cwayne> ....
Sep 12 20:48:25 <cwayne> wat
Sep 12 20:53:54 <Tibfib_> dawm|laptop: I'm telling your mom!
Sep 12 20:59:25 <summatusmentis> klausa: I think the app it installs is basically an info page
Sep 12 20:59:34 <summatusmentis> and an indicator that you have it installed
Sep 12 21:00:13 <klausa> Yeah, I just moved it to settings page.
Sep 12 21:12:00 <Tibfib> ugh
Sep 12 21:12:10 <Tibfib> what could I use as an icon for "get full content"?
Sep 12 21:12:32 <Tibfib> "unlock" is semi-decent
Sep 12 21:16:47 <Tibfib> :/
Sep 12 21:18:31 <Tibfib> +
Sep 12 21:18:31 <Tibfib> !
Sep 12 21:18:33 <Tibfib> that's it
Sep 12 21:19:40 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: you haven't fixed my scrolling unread prob
Sep 12 21:19:48 <summatusmentis> FIX IT
Sep 12 21:19:55 <Tibfib> YOU HAVEN"T FIXED YOUR MOM'S--ahem
Sep 12 21:19:58 <Tibfib> I'll get on that
Sep 12 21:20:22 <summatusmentis> YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I HAVE AND HAVEN'T DONE WITH... oh
Sep 12 21:20:25 <rwatkins> just put "get full contentt" after the shorter text.
Sep 12 21:22:32 <Tibfib> hmmmm
Sep 12 21:22:34 <Tibfib> interesting idea
Sep 12 21:22:54 <Tibfib> a better one
Sep 12 21:23:29 <rwatkins> how do you know there is more contnet for an item is the interesting question
Sep 12 21:23:49 <Tibfib> yeah, that I can't
Sep 12 21:24:08 <Tibfib> http://readitlaterlist.com/api/docs/#text
Sep 12 21:24:11 <Tibfib> using that^
Sep 12 21:24:13 <Tibfib> works pretty well
Sep 12 21:24:18 <Tibfib> at least for thisismynext it does
Sep 12 21:26:48 <rwatkins> everytimg i turn around something in sencha touch is .. broken.
Sep 12 21:50:01 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: I think it's been fixed now
Sep 12 21:50:17 <summatusmentis> yesplz
Sep 12 21:50:28 <Tibfib> uploading new ipk
Sep 12 21:51:48 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: like the better performance?
Sep 12 21:52:06 <summatusmentis> haven't looked at it, won't get to it until this evening
Sep 12 21:52:09 <summatusmentis> will report back
Sep 12 21:52:25 <Tibfib> alrighty
Sep 12 22:16:27 <EricBlade> oh, sweet! either google fixed their problem with webos listening to voicemail, or i've found a workaround
Sep 12 22:28:08 <nohorse> is there any interest in building a diaspora client?
Sep 12 22:28:11 <EricBlade> still can't download it, but the flashplayer can get to it now
Sep 12 22:30:26 <divStar> holy moly .. I was investigating the equalizer option for the webos player ..
Sep 12 22:30:58 <divStar> apparently I'd have to write another .. service? .. and somehow affect the audio exposed using SDL ..
Sep 12 22:36:13 <NuttyBunny> divStar, services.. LOL
Sep 12 22:37:18 <divStar> well .. I imagine it would introduce another object similar to <audio> D: ..
Sep 12 22:37:26 <divStar> just with more attributes ..
Sep 12 22:38:08 <divStar> my Veer is just too quiet .. and I'd like to have some more control over the music .. and well .. the chopyness I encounter at times annoys me D:
Sep 12 22:49:00 <jbern_> Does anyone know how to contact Ryan Hope?  I was wondering how hard it would be to add LaTeX syntax highlighting to tIDE.
Sep 12 22:49:46 <Tibfib> jbern_ meet PuffTheMagic_, PuffTheMagic meet jbern_
Sep 12 22:54:04 <jbern_> @Tibfib Thanks
Sep 12 23:02:15 <Tibfib> yay done
Sep 12 23:02:32 <halfhalo> lies
Sep 12 23:03:24 <Tibfib> heh
Sep 12 23:03:43 <Tibfib> be happy I'm done halfhalo, if I wasn't, I'd probably be asking you for help ;P
Sep 12 23:03:57 <halfhalo> and I would laugh in your face!
Sep 12 23:04:01 <Tibfib> then you'd have a small pang of guilt when you ignored my request
Sep 12 23:04:10 <Tibfib> small yes, but existent.
Sep 12 23:04:15 <halfhalo> no, not really
Sep 12 23:04:31 <Tibfib> it's okay halfhalo, I understand
Sep 12 23:05:17 * halfhalo slips a rattlesnake in Tibfib's mailbox
Sep 12 23:05:49 <Tibfib> hah
Sep 12 23:05:57 <Tibfib> erggh, sept 20th come fasterrr
Sep 12 23:06:10 <halfhalo> ?
Sep 12 23:06:19 <Tibfib> app payments
Sep 12 23:06:22 <Tibfib> = macbook air
Sep 12 23:06:23 <halfhalo> ah
Sep 12 23:08:07 * halfhalo managed to wipe his air over the weekend.  good times...
Sep 12 23:08:44 <Tibfib> heheh
Sep 12 23:11:45 <HattCzech_work> Tibfib: how many apps you have in the catalog?
Sep 12 23:11:56 <Tibfib> hmmm
Sep 12 23:12:04 <Tibfib> koto, countdown puzzles, nomnomnom, spaz hd
Sep 12 23:12:06 <halfhalo> seventy trillion
Sep 12 23:12:22 <Tibfib> so 3-4
Sep 12 23:13:24 <fxspec06> count down puzzles? wassat
Sep 12 23:14:34 <dawm|laptop> haha
Sep 12 23:14:42 <dawm|laptop> this is cool except for the tokyodrift crap at the end
Sep 12 23:14:43 <dawm|laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZfYkgOfTxg
Sep 12 23:15:05 <fxspec06> okay. fergie. officially. sucks at singing.
Sep 12 23:15:08 <Tibfib> first app I ever made
Sep 12 23:15:14 <Tibfib> simple puzzle game
Sep 12 23:15:21 <fxspec06> remind me never to hire her to sing at one of my super awesome events that i have all the time
Sep 12 23:15:35 <Tibfib> will do
Sep 12 23:16:07 <fxspec06> countdown puzzles. is that for phone only
Sep 12 23:16:49 <HattCzech_work> Tibfib: you played with contacts at all?
Sep 12 23:17:03 <Tibfib> ooh, almost
Sep 12 23:17:08 <Tibfib> with mojo messenger
Sep 12 23:17:11 <Tibfib> but never did
Sep 12 23:18:05 <HattCzech_work> i'm trying to find a way to use something like hpalm's contact scroller... but i can only get the popup to work...
Sep 12 23:18:13 <HattCzech_work> which frustrates me
Sep 12 23:18:22 <Tibfib> sorry man, I'm not much of a help there
Sep 12 23:18:50 <HattCzech_work> it's all good... nobody else seems to be, either :) haha
Sep 12 23:19:10 <Tibfib> heh
Sep 12 23:20:34 <halfhalo> you know what I want... a thunderbolt monitor with an external gpu in it.  THAT I would pay good monies for.
Sep 12 23:21:59 <divStar> hm .. is there a way to run an app from the Internalz file manager?
Sep 12 23:24:03 <Tibfib> nope
Sep 12 23:40:38 <EricBlade> i'm just going to guess that it's not allowed to embed a flash into a webapp huh
Sep 12 23:57:10 <Tibfib_> into a packaged app, no
Sep 13 00:01:40 <PuffTheMagic> jbern_, LaTex is up there on my todo list
Sep 13 00:01:56 <PuffTheMagic> someone has already submitted latex syntax highlighting to upstream ace
Sep 13 00:02:09 <PuffTheMagic> the harder part would be getting texlive installed on the TP
Sep 13 00:02:22 <PuffTheMagic> but its def a big goal for me
Sep 13 00:04:50 * Tibfib_ wants spotify for TP
Sep 13 00:06:01 <Tibfib_> but at this point, I don't want to make it
Sep 13 00:06:02 <Tibfib_> :/
Sep 13 00:11:06 <jbern_> @PuffTheMagic
Sep 13 00:11:09 <jbern_> awesome
Sep 13 00:12:38 <jbern_> I don't see it on the Todo in my version...is the preware one not the most recent?
Sep 13 00:12:53 <rwhitby> testing.preware.org
Sep 13 00:13:20 <PuffTheMagic> jbern_, its on my mental todo ;)
Sep 13 00:13:27 <PuffTheMagic> jbern_, trust me, its gonna happen
Sep 13 00:13:40 <jbern_> p.s. I also like your Mendeley app, is that going to be updated any time soon
Sep 13 00:13:45 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Sep 13 00:14:19 <PuffTheMagic> jbern_, i have this habit of working on really large projects that no one else seems interested in (besides wirc)
Sep 13 00:14:33 <PuffTheMagic> so im doing mendeley and tide by my self
Sep 13 00:14:42 <PuffTheMagic> and there outstanding issue in freetether
Sep 13 00:14:47 <PuffTheMagic> and i have another side project im working
Sep 13 00:14:54 <PuffTheMagic> and thats all on top of grad school
Sep 13 00:14:55 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Sep 13 00:15:04 <jbern_> I understand
Sep 13 00:15:05 <PuffTheMagic> i hope to get back to Mendeley soon
Sep 13 00:15:26 <PuffTheMagic> that was my first real attempt at an enyo app and i've learned a bunch since i've been working on wirc-enyo and tide
Sep 13 00:15:33 <PuffTheMagic> so when i get back to mendeley it will be even better
Sep 13 00:15:43 <PuffTheMagic> the mendeley api is also fairly new and in flux
Sep 13 00:15:50 <jbern_> It does most of what I need as is (i.e. sync pdfs easily) so I can't really complain
Sep 13 00:15:57 * haydn ponders the though of grad school and feels old
Sep 13 00:15:58 <PuffTheMagic> so i've been waiting for it to settle down a little more
Sep 13 00:17:06 <PuffTheMagic> jbern_, well there is an issue tracker for mendeley (my app that is) so i would welcome your feedback and feature requests
Sep 13 00:17:33 <jbern_> no problem
Sep 13 00:18:20 <jbern_> thanks for getting back to me
Sep 13 00:18:39 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/patch-resize-emulator-window-touchpad-legacy-apps?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Precentralnet+%28PreCentral.net%29&utm_content=FaceBook
Sep 13 00:19:00 <fxspec06> wow..... that's ........ awesome!!!!!
Sep 13 00:22:03 <dawm|laptop> only if the app resizes properly
Sep 13 00:31:50 <dawm|laptop> http://twitter.com/#!/search/%22WANNA%20MARRY%20YOU%22
Sep 13 00:31:55 <dawm|laptop> really?
Sep 13 00:33:28 <ajay> i was about to ask about how come i'm not able to doctor, but then i realized it requires dev mode.. i'm surprised
Sep 13 00:33:39 <ajay> also srprising is this woman, with her new touchpad, had a TMC error.  Boo.
Sep 13 00:34:31 <Tibfib> ajay: new touchpad? so has she dl'd 3.0.2?
Sep 13 00:34:38 <ajay>  yup
Sep 13 00:34:45 <ajay> new meaning 2-3 weeks old
Sep 13 00:34:59 <ajay> whereas i'm running a year and a half-old profile, i thought that's why I get TMCs
Sep 13 00:35:25 <haydn> dawn: you seem surprised?
Sep 13 00:35:47 <Tibfib> ajay: profile length does nothing
Sep 13 00:36:17 <Tibfib> s/length/time of life/
Sep 13 00:37:28 <dwc-> 17:27 < ajay> also srprising is this woman, with her new touchpad, had a TMC error.  Boo.
Sep 13 00:37:32 <dwc-> I had that this morning
Sep 13 00:37:48 <dwc-> I had a few browser cards running, but had since closed them
Sep 13 00:37:49 <WinterMute> what's a TMC error?
Sep 13 00:37:56 <dwc-> was down to one gmail window when I got it
Sep 13 00:37:58 <dwc-> Too Many Cards
Sep 13 00:38:19 * Tibfib has had one or two
Sep 13 00:39:09 <EricBlade> YES YES YES YES YES
Sep 13 00:39:27 * EricBlade bounces
Sep 13 00:39:40 <dwc-> no, bouncing is os x docks, not webos cards
Sep 13 00:40:11 <EricBlade> i just got voicemail working thru gvoice :D
Sep 13 00:40:41 <wrea> 'bout damn time :P
Sep 13 00:41:17 <haydn> I've found that badly written flash can drain the memory so badly a TMC error happens with 1 card open
Sep 13 00:41:35 <halfhalo> s/badly/any
Sep 13 00:41:37 <Tibfib> EricBlade: nice job
Sep 13 00:41:49 <Tibfib> I use amazon video on demand ALL the timne
Sep 13 00:41:49 <EricBlade> i had to load it via flash, but it works
Sep 13 00:41:49 <ajay> Tibfib:  you don't think it clutters up the beast?  well, clearly my theory was invalidated by her getting TMCs, so
Sep 13 00:41:51 <Tibfib> works super well
Sep 13 00:42:05 <Tibfib> ajay: the time of life doesn't
Sep 13 00:42:08 <haydn> halfhalo: true lol
Sep 13 00:42:09 <Tibfib> the amount of stuff on it might
Sep 13 00:42:32 <Tibfib> s/might/probably does/
Sep 13 00:44:00 <wrea> So if one wanted to connect to an adhoc network you'd do iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc && iwconfig eth0 essid netname && iwconfig eth0 address ?
Sep 13 00:44:31 * haydn ordered 10 different phone cases today - hopefully 1 will fit the pre3!
Sep 13 00:44:36 <EricBlade> strangely, after letting it sit for a minute or 3, the voicemail plays over again. weeeeeeeeird
Sep 13 00:44:44 <kesne> Lolololol
Sep 13 00:50:07 <dawm|laptop> anyone else get the alarm sound when you get two texts or an email and a text at the exact same moment?
Sep 13 00:50:20 <dawm|laptop> ill get my text sound and then the default alarm sound
Sep 13 00:50:38 <dawm|laptop> frankenpre2
Sep 13 01:01:28 <destinal> haydn:  yay memory leaks
Sep 13 01:01:46 <Hendikins> Well that was annoying. Managed to drop and bust the screen on my Veer.
Sep 13 01:02:08 <destinal> :(
Sep 13 01:02:26 <Hendikins> I've got a spare parts Veer at home, wonder how hard it would be to pull and swap the screens over.
Sep 13 01:03:42 <Hendikins> Or to gut the parts from this one and stick them in the spare parts unit.
Sep 13 01:04:05 <Hendikins> Probably less effort to gut than swap screens.
Sep 13 01:05:59 <destinal> Hendikins: interesting, and good question, I guess there's that teardown writeup rwhitby did
Sep 13 01:06:03 <destinal> should help
Sep 13 01:06:19 <Hendikins> Indeed.
Sep 13 01:08:15 <ajay> ok i'm back.. (I know, you didn't know I was gone)
Sep 13 01:08:25 <ajay> so i decided the quickest way to reboot my phone is to start freetether
Sep 13 01:08:48 <ajay> err, to dis/enable usb tethering mode in freetether.  maybe it's a webOS 2-related bug..
Sep 13 01:14:06 <Pip> Hello, are there many useful apps for webOS ?
Sep 13 01:15:01 <EdLin> Pip depends upon what you need, and what you consider useful.
Sep 13 01:15:23 <Pip> Like Android
Sep 13 01:15:41 <rwhitby> Pip: are you intending to develop for webOS ?
Sep 13 01:15:49 <rwhitby> (cause that's what this channel is for)
Sep 13 01:16:01 <haydn> Pip: Nope, there's no fart apps as far as I know ;P
Sep 13 01:16:11 <ajay> haydn: someone in here the other day said it is..
Sep 13 01:16:39 <Pip> rwhitby, Not until I get a touchpad and love it
Sep 13 01:17:03 * Hendikins has a gander and the Veer teardown, ponders. Will have to look at it tonight.
Sep 13 01:17:21 <Hendikins> er, at the.
Sep 13 01:17:41 <ajay> Hendikins: damn, before i had a chance to ask you about the hpalm gander :)
Sep 13 01:17:47 <Tibfib> Pip: see #touchpad
Sep 13 01:18:27 <ajay> EdLin: I'm sure you get this a lot, but do you run on DOS?
Sep 13 01:18:47 <Tibfib> ugghhh
Sep 13 01:18:53 <EdLin> ajay my first computer ran MS-DOS.
Sep 13 01:18:56 <Tibfib> these political tweets are making me angry
Sep 13 01:19:05 <ajay> phew, i thought it was my bad joke :)
Sep 13 01:19:30 <Tibfib> time to unfollow.
Sep 13 01:19:34 <ajay> +1
Sep 13 01:20:00 <EdLin> ajay I've used this nick going back to BBSs in 1991.
Sep 13 01:20:08 <ajay> nothing worse than someone w/ shallow life views to clutter up the feed
Sep 13 01:20:18 <EdLin> when people didn't ask what edlin was. ;-)
Sep 13 01:20:23 <ajay> EdLin: wow.. i've ran through so many nicks since then! amazing
Sep 13 01:20:45 <EdLin> ajay I had one other nick too, but someone stole it before I knew what a NickServ was.
Sep 13 01:21:02 <qillerneu> is there some app for tp that could list installed kernel/all patches/running apps, etc, for troubleshooting purposes?
Sep 13 01:21:07 <ajay> EdLin: I keep wanting to ask if you're a friend of mine because it almost reminds me of his name, but not quite.. :)
Sep 13 01:21:12 <haydn> Edlin: There used to be someone called Edlin on the hong kong BBSs around that time, I'm guessing a different Edlin?
Sep 13 01:21:13 <EdLin> lol
Sep 13 01:21:15 <ajay> oh i don't even have this nick actually!
Sep 13 01:21:23 <ajay> (if we're talking about nickserv)
Sep 13 01:21:24 <EdLin> haydn different, he has good taste though
Sep 13 01:21:40 <EdLin> I was "Ed Lin" on BBSs.
Sep 13 01:21:44 <ajay> haha
Sep 13 01:21:45 <haydn> Edlin: Yep, very good taste, he used to log on to my BBS ;P
Sep 13 01:21:56 <EdLin> haydn I also was a sysop. :)
Sep 13 01:21:59 <ajay> too bad i started this, realized right after that i ought go.. lo siento!
Sep 13 01:22:09 <EdLin> de nada
Sep 13 01:22:18 * ajay suddenly had a dream of being a SysOp.. could i put that on a biz card?
Sep 13 01:22:22 <ajay> ttfn!
Sep 13 01:22:30 <EdLin> lol
Sep 13 01:23:53 <haydn> Completely off topic: is £149 too much to pay for cufflinks? (or £199 if I can't figure out where the order button is on this web site!)
Sep 13 01:27:29 * Hendikins also ponders whether it would be worth just ordering in an extra Veer from Amazon and pulling stuff apart some other time.
Sep 13 01:36:32 <dawm|laptop> thanks sprint for having shitty coverage INSIDE my house depending on which room im in..
Sep 13 01:36:48 <dawm|laptop> i really like my texts not getting sent or not recieving texts in a timely manner
Sep 13 01:38:08 <Hendikins> Speaking of coverage and whatnot... the showstopper for the Pre3 with me is the fact the AT&T (UMTS 850MHz) units are in limbo. Having an 850MHz handset is absolutely essential to me.
Sep 13 01:39:29 <CTLAdvance> is there any trick to getting a select box to work in webos
Sep 13 01:41:01 <CTLAdvance> and by select I mean old school <select>
Sep 13 01:45:23 <wrea> <Pip> Can I get it at $99 for a brand new now ?
Sep 13 01:45:23 <wrea> <sifon187> through xterm im assuming
Sep 13 01:45:27 <wrea> err
Sep 13 01:45:36 <wrea> So I assume one can create an adhoc network via iwconfig on the tp, but not connect to one
Sep 13 01:48:16 <Pip> wrea, through xterm ?
Sep 13 01:48:23 <CTLAdvance> wow, I think the fact that select boxes arent supported is an epic fail
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Sep 13 19:46:52 <halfhalo>  ...
Sep 13 19:47:02 * halfhalo hearts adium on mac
Sep 13 19:57:06 <klausa> [3
Sep 13 19:57:11 <klausa> Fuck.
Sep 13 19:59:19 <ctladvance> My veer should be here tomorrow
Sep 13 20:03:39 <summatusmentis> I have a veer and a pre2 coming sometime next week
Sep 13 20:04:01 <summatusmentis> there was a breakdown in communication about where I wanted them sent
Sep 13 20:04:13 <summatusmentis> so they got sent to my old address
Sep 13 20:07:36 <summatusmentis> but I need one soon, my pre- is dying
Sep 13 20:09:30 <summatusmentis> although I'm seriously contemplating switching to a veer
Sep 13 20:09:40 <summatusmentis> (and therefore AT&T)
Sep 13 20:12:17 <ctladvance> I have the veer coming to test my apps on
Sep 13 20:12:29 <ctladvance> Not sure if I will use it or not
Sep 13 20:12:35 <ctladvance> We shall see
Sep 13 20:13:07 <PatrickC> hey ctladvance
Sep 13 20:13:16 <ctladvance> Hey pat
Sep 13 20:15:53 <HattCzech_work> summatusmentis: where are you getting them from?
Sep 13 20:17:24 <summatusmentis> someone in CA who managed to get some at firesale prices
Sep 13 20:17:34 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: were u the person who did the textgroup app?
Sep 13 20:17:53 <HattCzech_work> yes
Sep 13 20:18:03 <HattCzech_work> is it not working?
Sep 13 20:18:13 <PatrickC> how hard do u think it would be to make it into an email group app?
Sep 13 20:18:20 <PatrickC> na, i dont use it (my dad does)
Sep 13 20:18:21 <HattCzech_work> i'm working on it as we speak :)
Sep 13 20:18:26 <PatrickC> i have used it before
Sep 13 20:18:32 <PatrickC> OO! could i help? :)
Sep 13 20:18:34 <HattCzech_work> but the contact selection in enyo is not very good
Sep 13 20:18:53 <HattCzech_work> if you can figure out how to NOT have a contacts pupup... and get me a list... i'll be well on my way
Sep 13 20:18:55 <PatrickC> hmm.. it launches the contacts app, doesnt it?
Sep 13 20:19:00 <HattCzech_work> i've been struggling with that for a while
Sep 13 20:19:07 <HattCzech_work> contactsPicker, yes
Sep 13 20:19:16 <PatrickC> no clue. havent worked with the contactsPicker yet
Sep 13 20:19:55 <HattCzech_work> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17962
Sep 13 20:20:03 <PatrickC> but that is an app that is severely missing from the touchpad :)
Sep 13 20:20:04 <HattCzech_work> that's my current issue
Sep 13 20:20:10 <HattCzech_work> agreed
Sep 13 20:20:39 <HattCzech_work> any forum admins around that can move my post from that forum (javascript) to the new enyo forum?
Sep 13 20:21:06 <PatrickC> chuqui could :)
Sep 13 20:21:47 <chuqui> WHO AWAKENS THE KRAKEN?
Sep 13 20:22:15 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work did! i swear!
Sep 13 20:22:36 <HattCzech_work> hey chuqui
Sep 13 20:23:00 <HattCzech_work> would you be able to move my post (up a few lines there) from the deprecated js forum to the enyo forum?
Sep 13 20:23:39 <HattCzech_work> and possibly bump it to some of the devs at hp? :) i'd really like a better option that just the peoplePicker :)
Sep 13 20:24:13 <PatrickC> chuqui: this is urgent. this app will change the face of the earth
Sep 13 20:24:34 <chuqui> no, I can't move it.
Sep 13 20:24:56 <chuqui> because it's already moved. did it as soon as it was mentioned.
Sep 13 20:26:00 * PatrickC noticed that ;0
Sep 13 20:26:04 <PatrickC> :) *
Sep 13 20:26:04 <halfhalo> damn ninja's
Sep 13 20:26:26 <chuqui> hiiiiiyah!
Sep 13 20:26:33 <chuqui> (thunk)
Sep 13 20:26:47 <summatusmentis> oy, Tibfib
Sep 13 20:26:50 <Tibfib> hey
Sep 13 20:26:58 <chuqui> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg&feature=related
Sep 13 20:27:00 <summatusmentis> the mark-as-read thing is still happening, just slightly less now
Sep 13 20:27:05 <Tibfib> FORGET YOU
Sep 13 20:27:08 <Tibfib> hrm
Sep 13 20:27:13 <Tibfib> that sucks
Sep 13 20:27:17 <Tibfib> I submitted the app last night
Sep 13 20:27:36 <summatusmentis> it seems to be most prevalent when there are fewer stories than would fill the whole screen
Sep 13 20:27:50 <summatusmentis> like, just 1 or 2
Sep 13 20:28:00 <PatrickC> Tibfib: submitted? Nomnomnom?
Sep 13 20:28:06 <Tibfib> an update
Sep 13 20:28:10 <PatrickC> ah
Sep 13 20:28:17 <PatrickC> i updated the preware feed this morning
Sep 13 20:28:25 <PatrickC> havent launched it yet today
Sep 13 20:37:34 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: thread bumped
Sep 13 20:41:31 <EricBlade> Tibfib: i heard you are (one of the people?) involved with Spaz ?
Sep 13 20:41:39 <Tibfib> EricBlade: yep
Sep 13 20:42:19 <EricBlade> Tibfib: if i may make a suggestion, something that is sorely missing from absolutely every twitter client i've seen so far, is to add a column for a person, and have the option to remove them from your overview / main feed
Sep 13 20:42:48 <EricBlade> i have a couple of people that are -extremely chatty-, and while i would still like to be able to see what they say, i'd like to be able to read the other people in my feed :)
Sep 13 20:43:30 <Tibfib> EricBlade: spaz is open source
Sep 13 20:43:34 <Tibfib> feel free to contribute
Sep 13 20:43:43 <halfhalo> crap.  I managed to erase a usb drive with my windows iso on it which i was going to use to make said usb drive a boot stick.  :/
Sep 13 20:43:52 <WinterMute> oh wow
Sep 13 20:44:17 <WinterMute> Tibfib: where's the repository for spaz?
Sep 13 20:44:33 <Tibfib> github.com/funkatron/spaz-enyo/
Sep 13 20:44:36 <EricBlade> Tibfib: i'll stick to suggesting and hoping, i've got -way- too many things on my plate
Sep 13 20:44:42 <WinterMute> ta
Sep 13 20:44:44 <Tibfib> heh
Sep 13 20:44:55 <Tibfib> well we all of way too much on our plate to do something that specific
Sep 13 20:45:06 <Tibfib> we haven't had a request for it before
Sep 13 20:45:25 <WinterMute> oh, you're a star
Sep 13 20:45:49 * WinterMute was about to ask if the best way to submit patches was via fork & pull request
Sep 13 20:46:01 <WinterMute> and there it is, right on the front page :)
Sep 13 20:46:12 <Tibfib> WinterMute: yessir
Sep 13 20:46:31 <EricBlade> Tibfib: it just boggles my mind that none of the clients have that, because it seems totally obvious to me .. maybe i'm the only person who has two friends that will tweet 50 things a minute though
Sep 13 20:46:52 <Tibfib> I think most people just unfollow them.
Sep 13 20:47:24 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC: thanks for the bump
Sep 13 20:47:30 <EricBlade> i suppose that could be, but i happen to like these two people and reading them.  and it's not like 50 times every minute, just 50 times, then nothing for a long time. haha
Sep 13 20:47:49 <PatrickC> np HattCzech_work
Sep 13 20:47:54 <EricBlade> actually, i need to figure out how to actually add a column in spaz, anyway. so far i haven't been able to make it work
Sep 13 20:49:11 <EricBlade> aha! it works from the bluetooth keyboard
Sep 13 20:49:28 <EricBlade> i never get a virtual keyboard in the add feed box
Sep 13 20:50:55 * LarrySteeze should sell his sprint pre 2
Sep 13 20:51:32 <Tibfib> probably worth more than a touchpad.
Sep 13 20:51:48 <LarrySteeze> probably lol
Sep 13 20:53:30 <Tibfib> man, I'm tired of amatuer app reviews
Sep 13 20:54:00 <PatrickC> Tibfib: who/
Sep 13 20:54:03 <Tibfib> people are way too nice on real issues and then make up issues to count against the app
Sep 13 20:54:04 <PatrickC> ?*
Sep 13 20:54:07 <Tibfib> ALL webos reviews.
Sep 13 20:54:09 * LarrySteeze writes a spaz review "This app sucks. Does not access my facebook"
Sep 13 20:54:15 <Tibfib> heh
Sep 13 20:54:19 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 13 20:54:27 <Tibfib> like reviews of apps on webOS news sites.
Sep 13 20:54:31 <PatrickC> Tibfib: i havent seen that in places like WOR
Sep 13 20:54:35 <Tibfib> user reviews are awful as well.
Sep 13 20:54:39 <Tibfib> PatrickC: ...
Sep 13 20:54:57 <PatrickC> I dont read Pc enough to even worry about it
Sep 13 20:55:49 <Tibfib> PatrickC: I didn't exclude any websites in my opinion.
Sep 13 20:55:50 <PatrickC> and webOS World makes the best reviews :P
Sep 13 20:58:35 <EricBlade> my gf was reading the reviews on gvoice this afternoon.. all she could say was "these people are retards" (referring to the neg reviews)
Sep 13 21:00:17 <Tibfib_> bbl
Sep 13 21:00:30 <summatusmentis> unfortunately, those people are the ones supporting the app
Sep 13 21:00:52 <Tibfib_> I can't believe nomnomnom didn't get worse reviews
Sep 13 21:00:58 <Tibfib_> its performance was absolutely awful
Sep 13 21:01:04 <summatusmentis> it was shiny though
Sep 13 21:01:15 <Tibfib_> If I had had a touchpad and had known it was that bad, I wouldn't have released it.
Sep 13 21:01:38 <summatusmentis> I TOLD you it was bad
Sep 13 21:01:57 <Tibfib_> not that it was THAT bad
Sep 13 21:02:00 * LarrySteeze puts the TP version of nomnomnom on his 3.0.2 veer
Sep 13 21:02:08 <Tibfib_> heh
Sep 13 21:02:16 <Tibfib_> it would work semi-decently
Sep 13 21:02:18 <summatusmentis> you... what?
Sep 13 21:02:21 <summatusmentis> 3.0.2 veer?
Sep 13 21:02:35 <Tibfib_> okay, now bbl
Sep 13 21:03:07 <LarrySteeze> you didn't know you could put webos 3 on the other devices?
Sep 13 21:03:56 <summatusmentis> see, the thing is, my pre- runs 2.1
Sep 13 21:04:08 <summatusmentis> so it's, you know, in theory possile
Sep 13 21:04:37 <LarrySteeze> It's already in practice.
Sep 13 21:05:02 <summatusmentis> I can't tell if you're being serious now
Sep 13 21:05:06 <wrea> But didnt HP stop you from connecting to the app catalog and backup fuctions if you put unsupported versions of webos on your device?
Sep 13 21:05:45 <LarrySteeze> Give me a minute, I'll link you
Sep 13 21:05:48 <LarrySteeze> wrea: impostah
Sep 13 21:06:38 <LarrySteeze> have to find the link, give me a minute
Sep 13 21:07:50 <dwc-> actual 3.0.2, or just enyo?
Sep 13 21:07:51 <wrea> I've never had to use impostah yet
Sep 13 21:08:03 * PatrickC waits with baited breath 
Sep 13 21:08:14 <PatrickC> if its just enyo.. bah!
Sep 13 21:08:23 * dwc- slaps PatrickC with a large trout
Sep 13 21:08:26 <wrea> I get my Veer on Thursday
Sep 13 21:08:39 <dwc-> DO you now!
Sep 13 21:08:42 * PatrickC had been running enyo on unsupported devices for months
Sep 13 21:08:44 <PatrickC> :P
Sep 13 21:09:15 <LarrySteeze> well, so technically it's not 3.0.2
Sep 13 21:09:18 <LarrySteeze> it's enyo :P
Sep 13 21:09:25 <PatrickC> wow... lol
Sep 13 21:09:31 <PatrickC> thats.. easy to do :P
Sep 13 21:09:34 <LarrySteeze> I know
Sep 13 21:09:35 <wrea> Thanks again dwc-
Sep 13 21:09:52 * dwc- wonders why only 1 of the two tracking numbers works now
Sep 13 21:10:07 <PatrickC> running full 3.0.2.. now *that* would be nice :)
Sep 13 21:11:02 <wrea> dwc-, I was wondering that too
Sep 13 21:11:23 <dwc-> the postal clerk did point one and say to use that number
Sep 13 21:11:35 <dwc-> I don't remember which number is which now
Sep 13 21:11:46 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 13 21:11:51 <dwc-> the slips are at home
Sep 13 21:12:03 <summatusmentis> see, that's not the same thing
Sep 13 21:12:08 <summatusmentis> here I was all excited about 3.0.2
Sep 13 21:12:17 <dwc-> my guess is maybe they merge the two numbers into one package, and only track one of them
Sep 13 21:12:21 <summatusmentis> if it's just enyo, I knew that was possible
Sep 13 21:12:27 <LarrySteeze> well
Sep 13 21:12:34 <LarrySteeze> you can run 3.0.2 on it
Sep 13 21:12:45 <PatrickC> i ran nomnomnom on my pre2 before it was launched in the catalog
Sep 13 21:12:55 <LarrySteeze> it's a bit of work though
Sep 13 21:14:09 <wrea> So after messing around with wpa_supplicant my internet doesnt work
Sep 13 21:14:11 <wrea> lol
Sep 13 21:14:12 <LarrySteeze> is there a virtual keyboard for 2.1?
Sep 13 21:14:22 <PatrickC> there is
Sep 13 21:14:36 <LarrySteeze> What is it called
Sep 13 21:14:55 <PatrickC> not working
Sep 13 21:15:04 <PatrickC> i have one that works on all webos devices that i made
Sep 13 21:15:10 <LarrySteeze> :-\
Sep 13 21:15:19 <PatrickC> but it doesnt have a return/backspace/opt/shift
Sep 13 21:15:23 <PatrickC> but it works other then that
Sep 13 21:15:25 <LarrySteeze> then submit it to the repo
Sep 13 21:15:32 <PatrickC> the repo?
Sep 13 21:15:42 <LarrySteeze> preware.
Sep 13 21:15:47 <PatrickC> i would
Sep 13 21:15:49 <PatrickC> but like i said
Sep 13 21:15:58 <PatrickC> but it doesnt have a return/backspace/opt/shift
Sep 13 21:16:06 <LarrySteeze> so?
Sep 13 21:16:12 <LarrySteeze> it's something. And it's working.
Sep 13 21:16:22 <LarrySteeze> just put in the notes that it doesn't have those keys
Sep 13 21:16:27 <PatrickC> ill email u the IPK. u can do with it what u want :)
Sep 13 21:16:29 <PatrickC> its open source
Sep 13 21:16:37 <PatrickC> (just not on github yet)
Sep 13 21:17:06 <summatusmentis> well then put it on github already
Sep 13 21:17:29 * PatrickC goes to put it on github
Sep 13 21:23:15 <PatrickC> almost. done.
Sep 13 21:28:05 <PatrickC> https://github.com/patrickc14/virtual-keyboard-webos
Sep 13 21:28:09 <PatrickC> this is Mojo
Sep 13 21:28:14 <PatrickC> and it does run on the touchpad :)
Sep 13 21:28:51 <PatrickC> ^ summatusmentis
Sep 13 21:29:44 <summatusmentis> I saw
Sep 13 21:29:51 <summatusmentis> I'm not gonna do anything with it,but I saw
Sep 13 21:33:22 <PatrickC> ko
Sep 13 21:33:24 <PatrickC> ok*
Sep 13 21:33:31 <EricBlade> hey PatrickC
Sep 13 21:33:33 * PatrickC needs to switch keyboards back
Sep 13 21:33:37 <PatrickC> EricBlade: yeah?
Sep 13 21:36:49 <EricBlade> check your gmail
Sep 13 21:38:25 * PatrickC did
Sep 13 21:38:34 <PatrickC> nice surprise :)
Sep 13 21:38:59 <LarrySteeze> PatrickC's virtual keyboard runs on the touchpad in an emulator card
Sep 13 21:39:20 <PatrickC> LarrySteeze: it should go into the dashboard :)
Sep 13 21:39:50 <LarrySteeze> I didn't actually run it
Sep 13 21:39:55 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 13 21:39:56 <LarrySteeze> I'm just making fun of mojo
Sep 13 21:40:00 <PatrickC> it runs as the dashboard
Sep 13 21:40:08 * PatrickC needs to update the readme to say that
Sep 13 22:08:19 <fxspec06> members of early access might want to check the forums. it's not quite an oprah moment, but we have new stuff for you.
Sep 13 22:08:33 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/webOSdev/status/113734818486943744
Sep 13 22:18:30 <wrea> fxspec06, interesting.
Sep 13 22:19:21 <EricBlade> ooohh  what does "not quite an oprah moment" mean ..
Sep 13 22:19:33 <cwayne> only some people get a free car?
Sep 13 22:21:00 <EricBlade> rebooting brb
Sep 13 22:21:10 <wrea> I want a free car
Sep 13 22:26:48 <halfhalo> get in line
Sep 13 22:27:08 <fxspec06> holy crap. it's a riddle............... but my mouth is zipped
Sep 13 22:27:52 <fxspec06> oprah. lol
Sep 13 22:30:05 <dwc-> fxspec06: so... no free cars for all of us? :(
Sep 13 22:31:49 <shades> lol i just heard a story in the smoke pit earlier
Sep 13 22:31:56 <fxspec06> nope, no free cars, or books, or tickets to justin beiber. which really sucks. because i wanted to see justin beiber
Sep 13 22:32:03 <shades> some dude was actin 'touch' by driving around in the ghetto late at night
Sep 13 22:32:08 <fxspec06> =(
Sep 13 22:32:14 <shades> he got a flat tire and was car jacked
Sep 13 22:32:24 <shades> the car jackers held him at gunpoint and made him change the tire before they drove off
Sep 13 22:32:27 <shades> lolololol
Sep 13 22:32:50 <fxspec06> wow
Sep 13 22:33:04 <fxspec06> sounds pretty fake to me..
Sep 13 22:33:45 <divStar> if I were a carjacker, I'd do exactly that though .. if I had someone who could do it in my place while I force him to ...
Sep 13 22:33:54 <divStar> doesn't sound that far off of what humans would do, no?
Sep 13 22:34:30 <fxspec06> hmm. i guess yeah that would make sense
Sep 13 22:35:34 <fxspec06> which reminds me. remind me to put a rfid chip in all my future cars...
Sep 13 22:35:36 <shades> fxspec06: if it sounds fake, why don't you drive around in the ghetto on mlk blvd at 0300 in the morning and see what happens
Sep 13 22:35:58 <fxspec06> uhm, no thanks dude. i can say that it sounds fake without doing something retarded
Sep 13 22:36:09 <shades> lol
Sep 13 22:43:17 <wrea> rebooted and doctor still isnt seeing my tp connected
Sep 13 22:45:33 <PatrickC> who would be willing to contribute to a virtual keyboard for webOS?
Sep 13 22:45:47 <PatrickC> its complete minus a few keys
Sep 13 22:46:30 <PatrickC> does anyone know if the VKB on the touchpad is accessible? like the files?
Sep 13 22:49:24 <fxspec06> PatrickC: i thought you were doing that
Sep 13 22:49:26 <RagingMind> is there a way to get the TP to check for app updates and not just system updates?
Sep 13 22:50:19 <RagingMind> oh hmm... n/m
Sep 13 22:50:28 <PatrickC> fxspec06: I am
Sep 13 22:50:35 <PatrickC> but I'm also doing other stuff
Sep 13 22:50:37 <RagingMind> it did update my quickoffice, but it never said it was
Sep 13 22:50:55 <PatrickC> and idk how to do things like return/backspace/etc.
Sep 13 22:53:09 <dwc-> try opening the sw manager and waiting
Sep 13 22:53:18 <akanster> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/09/exclusive-admob-to-stop-support-for-webos-on-sept-30-2011/ - well bummer
Sep 13 22:53:20 <dwc-> I dunno if it was just chance, but that seemed to do it for me on the phones
Sep 13 22:54:46 <dwc-> akanster: not too familiar with the ad stuff... can adsense be a near drop-in replacement for admob?
Sep 13 22:55:08 <shades> akanster: why is that a bummer?
Sep 13 22:55:14 <shades> nobody likes ads
Sep 13 22:55:24 <akanster> dwc-: Not sure
Sep 13 22:55:49 <akanster> shades: true, but another incetive has just been taken away from developers
Sep 13 22:55:51 <dwc-> shades: would you prefer to have ad-supported products or no products?
Sep 13 22:56:10 * shades whips dwc- and says, "get back to work!"
Sep 13 22:56:25 <akanster> incentive*
Sep 13 22:56:28 <shades> i would prefer to have an adblocker that blocks ads I'm never ever going to click on
Sep 13 22:56:34 <shades> ever
Sep 13 22:56:51 <dwc-> then it sounds like you should buy paid versions of all your apps
Sep 13 22:57:00 <shades> but i heard development is going to dwindle to othing since webos support is nonexistant anymore
Sep 13 22:57:05 <shades> or use opensource
Sep 13 22:57:20 <halfhalo> you heard wrong
Sep 13 22:57:44 <shades> did hp resupport webos?
Sep 13 22:58:12 <halfhalo> they never stopped supporting it
Sep 13 22:58:21 <halfhalo> they just said no more hardware
Sep 13 22:58:23 <shades> i thought that one dude brought down the axe
Sep 13 22:58:25 <shades> oh
Sep 13 22:58:39 <shades> so the palmpre3 isn't going to happen?
Sep 13 22:58:52 <halfhalo> not in the us
Sep 13 22:58:55 <divStar> pre3 already exists..
Sep 13 22:58:57 <halfhalo> its avaliable in the uk
Sep 13 22:59:32 <shades> will it work in the us if i buy it in the uk?
Sep 13 23:00:11 <dwc-> it'll work better than an ATT US pre3 would work on tmobile US
Sep 13 23:00:25 <shades> haha
Sep 13 23:01:46 <wrea> So for whatever reason dns isnt working on my tp
Sep 13 23:02:21 <RagingMind> wrea, I had something like that happen to me last week, I just rebooted
Sep 13 23:02:50 <wrea> Yeah, that didnt work.. lol
Sep 13 23:03:09 <RagingMind> then your problem would appear to be different ;)
Sep 13 23:03:16 <wrea> Appears so
Sep 13 23:03:43 <dwc-> I had DNS not working last night on my phone... stupid tmobile had broken DNS for a few hrs
Sep 13 23:03:46 <wrea> And doctor isnt finding my tp
Sep 13 23:12:08 <fxspec06> PatrickC: you should figure it out
Sep 13 23:12:51 <fxspec06> THINK about how a backspace button works. IMAGINE it in your head. what does a backspace button do? what functions does a backspace button need? what variables will i need to write a backspace button?
Sep 13 23:12:54 <fxspec06> then DO IT
Sep 13 23:12:56 <fxspec06> =|
Sep 13 23:34:46 <PatrickC> fxspec06: I do have other projects
Sep 13 23:34:53 <PatrickC> that one is the communities now
Sep 13 23:35:11 <PatrickC> https://github.com/patrickc14/virtual-keyboard-webos for anyone willing
Sep 13 23:39:05 <destinal> akanster: won't that just mean that developers will go back to using admob but pretending to be an iphone?
Sep 13 23:39:20 <destinal> I think that's what they did before admob started providing actual support for webons
Sep 13 23:39:23 <destinal> webos
Sep 13 23:39:44 <akanster> and risk having their google ad accounts permanently disabled? sure
Sep 13 23:55:01 <PatrickC> akanster: what does google own? that has to do with ads..
Sep 13 23:55:14 <PatrickC> I've not had much experience in the ad departmeny
Sep 13 23:55:18 <PatrickC> department*
Sep 13 23:56:42 <RagingMind> PatrickC, google owns google
Sep 13 23:56:57 <EricBlade> PatrickC: adwords, adsense, mobads
Sep 13 23:57:07 <PatrickC> ah
Sep 14 00:13:58 <WinterMute> what's happened with admob?
Sep 14 00:15:02 <WinterMute> oh ... that sucks
Sep 14 00:20:35 <PatrickC> EricBlade: ping?
Sep 14 00:29:22 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: ping?
Sep 14 00:44:30 <Tibfib> hmm win8 metro apps are html, right?
Sep 14 00:45:18 <Tibfib> that may be the platform I go to.
Sep 14 00:46:22 <PatrickC_> win8?
Sep 14 00:46:26 <PatrickC_> like winmo 8?
Sep 14 00:46:29 <Tibfib> no.\
Sep 14 00:46:49 <Tibfib> you should follow thisismynext or engadget
Sep 14 00:51:27 <dawm|laptop> my hands are sore from sanding :|
Sep 14 00:51:34 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC_: i dont think i have a WOR account
Sep 14 00:51:41 <EricBlade> PatrickC_: pong
Sep 14 00:51:46 <dawm|laptop> before
Sep 14 00:51:47 <dawm|laptop> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/313718_2242952427169_1048858191_2668073_1348396272_n.jpg
Sep 14 00:51:54 <dawm|laptop> during
Sep 14 00:51:54 <dawm|laptop> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/314068_2242952387168_1048858191_2668072_2117788505_n.jpg
Sep 14 00:52:01 <dawm|laptop> and primered
Sep 14 00:52:02 <dawm|laptop> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/311474_2244217818803_1048858191_2669000_776382830_n.jpg
Sep 14 00:56:19 <PatrickC> EricBlade: when i try and make a call, nothing happens
Sep 14 00:56:59 <PatrickC> dawm|laptop: can u make one?
Sep 14 00:57:57 <dawm|laptop> where ?
Sep 14 00:58:13 <dawm|laptop> the forums?
Sep 14 00:58:47 <PatrickC> the WOR forums
Sep 14 00:59:44 <PatrickC> LoneStar: ping?
Sep 14 01:00:23 <dawm|laptop> ok i did
Sep 14 01:00:25 <dawm|laptop> its dawm
Sep 14 01:01:46 <PatrickC> ok.
Sep 14 01:01:49 <PatrickC> ill add it to the list
Sep 14 01:11:42 <jaf0> rehi
Sep 14 01:12:47 <PatrickC> jaf0: hey!
Sep 14 01:12:54 <PatrickC> just downloaded :)
Sep 14 01:13:25 <jaf0> now to get the work out.
Sep 14 01:13:36 <jaf0> s/work/word/
Sep 14 01:13:39 <jaf0> :)
Sep 14 01:13:41 <PatrickC> yep
Sep 14 01:13:51 <PatrickC> EVERYONE DOWNLOAD BestPrice HD!
Sep 14 01:13:58 <jaf0> hey cheapskates...you saved so much on the Touchpad at Firesale prices...
Sep 14 01:14:07 <jaf0> now keep saving money with BestPrice HD. :)
Sep 14 01:14:14 <jaf0> http://s.jaf0.com/BPxxHD
Sep 14 01:15:25 <PatrickC> ah.. i hope to have my email back up soon :)
Sep 14 01:16:15 <PatrickC> DNS set. time to test
Sep 14 01:17:06 <PatrickC> we are back up!
Sep 14 01:18:12 <dawm|laptop> wow.. app spam.. in here?.. lame
Sep 14 01:18:51 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 14 01:31:01 <jaf0> patrickc: what email...
Sep 14 01:31:17 <PatrickC> my business email
Sep 14 01:31:22 <PatrickC> @awesomeapps.co.cc mail
Sep 14 01:31:33 <jaf0> ah.
Sep 14 01:31:36 <PatrickC> its been down for a while. switched hosts and didnt set the MX records
Sep 14 01:40:24 <cwayne> PatrickC: dude just buy a .com
Sep 14 01:40:36 <PatrickC> cwayne: no
Sep 14 01:40:43 <PatrickC> parents wont let me
Sep 14 01:40:52 <cwayne> hahaha why
Sep 14 01:41:09 <PatrickC> they think its a waste of money
Sep 14 01:41:16 <PatrickC> once my apps start selling, im sure theyll let me
Sep 14 01:45:40 <Tibfib_> lol
Sep 14 01:45:47 <Tibfib_> a .com is like $10 a year?
Sep 14 01:45:56 <PatrickC> they dont care
Sep 14 01:46:07 <Tibfib_> I think godaddy even has a $2 sale going on
Sep 14 01:46:11 <dawm|laptop> more like 8.49 and less
Sep 14 01:46:28 <dawm|laptop> i used to have domains back when they were $70 a year
Sep 14 01:46:33 <PatrickC> wow
Sep 14 01:46:36 <dawm|laptop> yeah
Sep 14 01:46:44 <dawm|laptop> i had bubblebobble.com for like 5 years
Sep 14 01:46:57 <dawm|laptop> got sick of paying $70/yr for it so i sold it to bubandbob.com
Sep 14 01:47:08 <dawm|laptop> this was back in highschool ;p
Sep 14 01:47:31 <dawm|laptop> i also had teflon.net
Sep 14 01:47:39 <dawm|laptop> but i let it expire i think and dupont got it
Sep 14 01:47:46 <dawm|laptop> wish i kept it so that they coulda bought it from me
Sep 14 01:48:57 <PatrickC> kesne: ping?
Sep 14 01:50:30 <riskish> i own pingapp.com
Sep 14 01:50:41 <riskish> if anyone wants to buy it, i have no use for it really.
Sep 14 01:50:41 <dawm|laptop> haha
Sep 14 01:50:42 <dawm|laptop> http://web.archive.org/web/20020124040039/http://bubblebobble.com/
Sep 14 01:50:48 <dawm|laptop> ancient biocandy logo
Sep 14 01:51:06 <Tibfib_> riskish: heh, has the messaging app contacted you?
Sep 14 01:51:09 <EricBlade> damn, ever since installing the touch-sensitivity mod, i can no longer *flick* the card view to throw something away
Sep 14 01:51:17 <EricBlade> that was fun to do
Sep 14 01:51:27 <dawm|laptop> funny
Sep 14 01:51:40 <dawm|laptop> hrm
Sep 14 01:51:48 <dawm|laptop> why is it showing me biocandy.com now
Sep 14 01:51:56 <PatrickC> dawm|laptop: umm.. i cant see the logo
Sep 14 01:52:22 <PatrickC> EricBlade: touch sensitivity mod?
Sep 14 01:52:26 <dawm|laptop> http://web.archive.org/web/20040519232106im_/http://biocandy.com/images/comingsoon.gif
Sep 14 01:52:36 <dawm|laptop> somehow it bounced to biocandy.com
Sep 14 01:52:49 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 14 01:52:53 <PatrickC> better then my icons :P
Sep 14 01:53:01 <dawm|laptop> heh looks like bubandbob let it expire
Sep 14 01:53:12 <dawm|laptop> bubblebobble.com is a register.com squat site
Sep 14 01:53:32 <EricBlade> PatrickC the Increase Touch Sensitivity and Smoothness patch
Sep 14 01:53:35 <PatrickC> ah
Sep 14 01:53:37 <EricBlade> hmm. it says i have both of them installed. dammit.
Sep 14 01:53:39 <PatrickC> i never use those patches
Sep 14 01:54:13 <EricBlade> the uninstall for it says it's not there. argh.
Sep 14 01:55:04 <EricBlade> OH someone posted a patch with left and right swipe in gestures!
Sep 14 01:55:28 <PatrickC> yeah
Sep 14 01:55:30 <PatrickC> its awesome
Sep 14 01:55:41 <EricBlade> looks like it fails on my system though
Sep 14 01:55:58 <EricBlade> 1 out of 4 hunks failed. ugh
Sep 14 01:57:33 <EricBlade> failed because of the double-finger swipe patch
Sep 14 02:00:10 <kesne> PatrickC: What's up?
Sep 14 02:00:24 <PatrickC> kesne: i think i fixed it lemme check
Sep 14 02:00:37 <PatrickC> nope
Sep 14 02:00:39 <PatrickC> ill msg u
Sep 14 02:04:11 <Bajan> noir?
Sep 14 02:38:20 <PatrickC> anyone have any experience with a 3 pane app?
Sep 14 02:38:28 <PatrickC> quick question
Sep 14 02:38:59 <PatrickC> or know of an open source app that uses 3 panes?
Sep 14 02:49:34 <PatrickC> madnificent!
Sep 14 02:56:31 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC: the email app
Sep 14 02:56:52 <rwhitby> not open source, but definitely readable source ;)
Sep 14 02:57:01 <dawm|laptop> comes with the pdk doesnt it?
Sep 14 02:57:03 <dawm|laptop> er sdk
Sep 14 02:57:09 <PatrickC> rwhitby: ive tried reading the palm source.. not very easy lol
Sep 14 02:57:10 <dawm|laptop> in the samples
Sep 14 02:57:47 <rwhitby> it does. those still aren't "Open Source"TM but can be used in webOS apps destined for the app catalog
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