**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 15 02:59:57 2011 Sep 15 03:02:16 la la la - do people hack on enyo here? Sep 15 03:02:29 ah, rwatkins Sep 15 03:44:44 Good evening Sep 15 03:53:26 I have to say this Veer is a neet little device Sep 15 04:46:47 wow... I bought an issue of "Smart Developer" and on the front, it says Sep 15 04:47:03 "Enyo: HP's powerful new Java framework" Sep 15 04:47:05 FAIL Sep 15 04:47:27 ... says the person who saw that, and still bought it? ;) Sep 15 04:47:33 lol Sep 15 04:47:46 on the inside, with the Enyo article, it says JavaScript :) Sep 15 04:48:11 roy-pre1011: are you Roy Sutton? Sep 15 04:48:18 yes Sep 15 04:48:31 he is the one who wrote the Enyo article :) Sep 15 04:48:58 man.. this "EcoDisk" is junk.. lol Sep 15 04:53:03 does anyone have any experience with "Sencha Touch"? Sep 15 04:56:34 your mom does Sep 15 04:58:22 what's an ecodisk Sep 15 04:58:45 does att allow the veer to tether without a tethering plan Sep 15 04:58:47 or will it Sep 15 04:58:57 or is it locked like the iphone Sep 15 04:59:05 and everything else Sep 15 04:59:36 CTLAdvance: freeTether Sep 15 04:59:42 dwc-: its a poc disk Sep 15 04:59:50 proof of concept? Sep 15 04:59:54 50% less polly Sep 15 05:00:02 piece of crap lol Sep 15 05:00:29 super thin.. Sep 15 05:05:27 I kind of want to use this little thing for a day or two Sep 15 05:06:08 veer? Sep 15 05:06:11 its too small for me Sep 15 05:06:42 well same here, I could never give up the iphone for it Sep 15 05:07:00 but there is something cool (read Novelty) about how small it is Sep 15 05:07:20 lol Sep 15 05:07:22 its like a swiss army knife... small, good weight, fully functional Sep 15 05:07:32 what's the OC on it? Sep 15 05:07:36 is preware on it yet? :) Sep 15 05:07:49 I like the size and weight Sep 15 05:07:55 needd to get mine unlocked first though =p Sep 15 05:07:58 lol... I dont patch this crap anymore... Sep 15 05:08:08 I havent even jailbroken my iphone Sep 15 05:08:27 well, I want to see what the OC is for it ;) Sep 15 05:08:32 so was just wondering Sep 15 05:08:35 :) Sep 15 05:08:48 and seeeing as I got the white one, its pretty cool Sep 15 05:15:48 bah white veer Sep 15 05:16:01 I feel like its the limited edition veer Sep 15 05:16:08 ;) Sep 15 05:16:13 can't stand the white one Sep 15 05:16:18 like the black much morw Sep 15 05:16:20 more Sep 15 05:16:39 I like how its just so different Sep 15 05:17:03 you use the veer dont you? Sep 15 05:17:09 yeah Sep 15 05:17:16 hows it work for you Sep 15 05:17:23 pretty well Sep 15 05:17:44 I carry two other phones with me normally though. winphone for media and the pre2 for... monopoly Sep 15 05:18:26 well as of now I carry 2, iPhone4 and a Blackberry Torch- Sep 15 05:19:51 * PatrickC_TP carries 2 Sep 15 05:19:54 pre2 and pre- Sep 15 05:20:09 yrying to decide if I want to add another line or swap this in for the blackberry less email Sep 15 05:20:28 I need to swap my pre2 back to att Sep 15 05:21:15 * PatrickC_TP needs to swap his pre2 to sprint Sep 15 05:21:42 * CTLAdvance been ther done that, left for an iphone Sep 15 05:21:44 ;) Sep 15 05:22:37 lol Sep 15 05:22:55 * CTLAdvance then requested a panda phone Sep 15 05:25:17 hey torchie Sep 15 05:25:25 eyoughte Sep 15 05:27:13 is enyo kind of like titanium? Sep 15 05:28:22 Enyo is kind of like magic Sep 15 05:28:32 idk about titanium :) Sep 15 05:33:56 I'm looking to go cross platform.. but will probably be with phonegap Sep 15 05:34:14 or Sencha Touch (if it works with webOS) Sep 15 05:39:29 who in here uses XM Satellite Radio Sep 15 05:40:19 you've got a time machine Sep 15 05:40:23 I've got a gun Sep 15 05:40:56 what? lol Sep 15 05:46:35 * PatrickC_TP just emailed XM Sep 15 05:49:13 ... Sep 15 05:51:23 halfhalo: I want to include it in my app, but they don't have an API on their site Sep 15 05:51:37 so I emailed stating what I was looking for, and I'll just wait for a response Sep 15 05:51:39 hah. good luck with that Sep 15 05:51:49 when I emailed Hulu, I got a free gift basket lol Sep 15 05:52:12 eh, I know its a longshot, but you don't know what you don't ask for Sep 15 05:54:30 I know Sep 15 05:59:10 wow.. this CD had the MeeGo SDK.. but not the actual WinPhone7 SDK that has the templates for VS... Sep 15 06:01:07 what was in the gift basket Sep 15 06:01:26 a puppy Sep 15 06:01:39 dwc-: a water bottle, bumper stickers, a really nice hoodie, some pens, and I think that was it Sep 15 06:02:29 ok.. should I use Qt for MeeGo? or is Qt even worth it? Sep 15 06:04:40 PatrickC_TP: why don't you ask in #meego ? Sep 15 06:04:55 rwhitby: sorry.. just thinking outloud.. Sep 15 06:05:10 try using your silent voice ;) Sep 15 06:05:18 heh.. ok :) Sep 15 06:33:01 hey guys Sep 15 06:33:06 sugardave Sep 15 06:33:12 pandora, anybody here? Sep 15 06:40:26 *yawn* for a few minutes. How can I help you? Sep 15 06:40:43 dkirker: hey! Sep 15 06:40:50 Hi PatrickC_TP Sep 15 06:41:01 can anybody do me a quick favor? Sep 15 06:41:04 i just need 2 to 3 people Sep 15 06:41:08 sure Sep 15 06:41:27 can i msg you privatelly? Sep 15 06:41:35 yep Sep 15 06:44:02 Meetoman: got people? Sep 15 06:44:45 hotdp, could use your help Sep 15 06:44:48 register on vator.tv Sep 15 06:44:52 http://vator.tv/competition/splash-competition-san-francisco-sept-2011?for=spotvite&vote=1#participants Sep 15 06:44:54 and vote for spotvite Sep 15 06:45:03 i m 1 vote away being knocked off round 1 =| Sep 15 06:45:07 ends in 14 minutes Sep 15 06:46:13 thanks patrick Sep 15 06:46:19 np Sep 15 06:46:51 it's like 12 minutes left and i m only 1 vote away Sep 15 06:47:06 what's spotvite Sep 15 06:47:12 what's vator.tv for that matter Sep 15 06:47:13 easiest way to gather peopl Sep 15 06:47:18 easiest way to gather people Sep 15 06:47:23 gather them for what Sep 15 06:47:24 vator.tv basically gathered bunch of VCs Sep 15 06:47:36 and we are pitching to VCs, but in order to pitch they select top 15 -_- Sep 15 06:47:48 for basketball, food, water, etc Sep 15 06:47:56 if spotvite is the easiest way to gather people, why are you gathering people on irc ;) Sep 15 06:48:16 it's not launched yet -_- Sep 15 06:50:41 any luck? hotdp? Sep 15 06:51:03 * PatrickC_TP voted Sep 15 06:51:07 thanks Patrick! Sep 15 06:51:12 np Sep 15 06:51:17 I'll do free consultation for webos next time Sep 15 06:51:25 I figured, eh.. why not.. :) Sep 15 06:51:30 I'll release my mojo code for google analytics for you Sep 15 06:51:35 its only half working Sep 15 06:52:33 eh.. I use metrix Sep 15 06:52:38 not google analytics.. Sep 15 06:52:41 sorry :) Sep 15 06:53:09 lol Sep 15 06:54:09 soon.. I'll be using something totally different, but what I'll be using, is a secret ;) Sep 15 06:55:33 * PatrickC_TP is off to bed Sep 15 06:55:34 night all Sep 15 06:56:18 night patrick Sep 15 06:56:25 dwc, can you help out? =P Sep 15 06:56:29 i really need this Sep 15 06:56:34 i m at #15 right now Sep 15 06:59:00 I thought you were 1 vote away earlier and it ended already Sep 15 06:59:44 we got in Sep 15 06:59:45 top 15 Sep 15 06:59:48 thanks guys Sep 15 07:01:13 np Sep 15 07:01:20 happy to help :) Sep 15 07:02:40 by 2 votes Sep 15 07:02:44 patrick's vote was critical lol Sep 15 07:02:53 lol Sep 15 07:20:13 hi does anyone know a silution about icq on the tp without meebo or otjher third party websites= Sep 15 08:32:04 * EricBlade discovers the "accelerated" setting for scrollers and repeaters. Dear God, why isn't this default? Sep 15 08:54:31 technikfreak, i haven't heard word that the big libpurple patch has been updated for pre3 or tp Sep 15 08:55:11 nope Sep 15 08:55:26 nuttybunny is working on tp atm afaik Sep 15 08:56:55 cool Sep 15 10:49:38 well, that's interesting. the Contacts app has support for all the protocols that pidgin/libpurple support. wonder if there's any way to hack it into the actual IM app Sep 15 10:51:47 EricBlade, there is. but nuttybunny hasn't updated it for 3.0 Sep 15 10:52:14 yeah i meant something other than that .. i half wonder if it's just that there are no menu items to add the accounts Sep 15 10:54:27 the contacts app deserves a review like some of the apps in the app store... "nice first try, but it's really lacking a lot of essential features" Sep 15 11:01:56 EricBlade, the libpurple in webos has many of its usual networks disabled at compile time. so you can't do much without a better libpurple build Sep 15 11:05:38 one would think that, but having the complete list in the contacts app makes me curious Sep 15 14:52:05 * halfhalo yawns Sep 15 15:00:50 morning Sep 15 15:03:56 morning Sep 15 15:04:05 * PatrickC_ is having a good day already! Sep 15 15:06:01 who in here uses Ampache? Sep 15 15:08:32 * halfhalo doesn't Sep 15 15:08:35 zunepass ftw Sep 15 15:10:00 hey, do they have an API? Sep 15 15:10:02 open* Sep 15 15:10:17 who, zunepass? Sep 15 15:10:22 or ampache? Sep 15 15:11:24 zunepass Sep 15 15:11:32 hahahahahahahahahahaha Sep 15 15:11:33 no Sep 15 15:11:55 zune == ms's digital media platform Sep 15 15:13:54 lol so? Sep 15 15:15:57 ms... who have their own competing mobile platform and their own pmp.... and the said zune platform which is limited to the 360, wp7, zune, and windows pc's... Sep 15 15:35:18 this ought to keep PatrickC busy for a while: http://www.programmableweb.com/apitag/?q=music Sep 15 16:23:32 sugardave: :-) Sep 15 16:25:44 sugardave: although, I don't see Ampache on there.. Sep 15 16:26:35 well, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of API refs for Ampache already Sep 15 16:26:50 just showing you even more features you can add Sep 15 16:26:56 via other APIs Sep 15 16:28:14 yeah, thanks! Sep 15 16:28:55 that gave me some good idea Sep 15 16:42:00 chuqui is da bomb! he cracked the whip on the monkeys and got us some cool stuff to play with! :) Sep 15 16:42:25 So, I think I have a more workable ad-hoc support solution Sep 15 16:42:33 cool Sep 15 16:42:41 * PatrickC_TP needs to look into ads.. possibly Sep 15 16:43:14 Make sure they seizure inducing flash ads or else you arent doing it right Sep 15 16:45:18 lol Sep 15 16:46:17 Adhoc works, but the way it should be. But its a start. Sep 15 16:47:15 Replace wpa_supplicant, edit wpa_supplicant.conf, manually connect with (*) prefixed to the ssid Sep 15 16:48:13 It should be masquerading as an infrastructure network and therefore should be visible in the list Sep 15 16:49:17 and therefore editing of the .conf shouldnt be needed Sep 15 16:59:57 PatrickC_TP: what cool stuff? Sep 15 17:00:49 * PatrickC_TP can only say check twitter Sep 15 17:01:01 wrea: got a link/more info for the ad-hoc workaround? Sep 15 17:01:15 chuqui said that there is some cool stuff waiting for early access members Sep 15 17:04:59 is Twitter broken for anyone else? Sep 15 17:08:15 does today end in day? Sep 15 17:08:24 twitter is always broken Sep 15 17:10:58 lol Sep 15 17:11:26 Twitter won't refresh, or even let me log in with Spaz (was using Phnx before) Sep 15 17:15:51 App Catalog: "This application is not available for your model. Retry." Sep 15 17:18:50 on what app? Sep 15 17:19:56 https://www.box.net/shared/lha8nox31l27cy23kvb9 :P Sep 15 17:24:14 PatrickC_TP: all the ones new today Sep 15 17:24:31 hmm.. haven't checked lately.. Sep 15 17:25:07 chuqui: get onto the people at Smart Developer.. they are a disgrace to webOS! https://www.box.net/shared/lha8nox31l27cy23kvb9 Sep 15 17:25:14 :) Sep 15 17:25:19 * PatrickC_TP checks the app catalog Sep 15 17:27:32 EricBlade: yeah, I get the same thing Sep 15 17:28:01 note that the only option is "Retry". even if the error were correct, why is the only option "Retry"? Why would you ever want to "Retry" that error? Sep 15 17:28:27 I want a back button Sep 15 17:29:22 yeah that's the worst, requiring you to relaunch the app catalog Sep 15 17:29:34 sometimes on newly updated applications it gets "this is not a valid webos application" too Sep 15 17:29:41 needs a cancel Sep 15 17:31:44 * PatrickC_TP is happy he decided on GPL a while ago Sep 15 19:02:20 can someone please tell me if http://awesomeapps.co.cc loads? Sep 15 19:03:12 It loads "Safari can't open this page" Sep 15 19:03:37 hrmm... thanks Sep 15 19:06:23 don't you love it when you can't easily find what os your server runs? Sep 15 19:06:47 its called php's phpinfo() Sep 15 19:07:08 * PatrickC_ doesn't use PHP but for his forums Sep 15 19:07:25 you must not have CLI access then? Sep 15 19:07:30 oh Jack D where have you been... Sep 15 19:07:51 summatusmentis: nope Sep 15 19:08:00 sadly... Sep 15 19:10:16 attention germans - markus from devrels aka swisstomcat will give a talk on node, enyo / webOS on monday at german hamburg javascript usergroup Sep 15 19:11:13 http://www.meetup.com/hamburg-js/events/22131361/ Sep 15 19:35:39 twbbas: ping? Sep 15 19:52:46 chuqui: are you available? Sep 15 19:53:08 akanster: um, maybe? (looks for cover) Sep 15 19:53:12 hey akanster Sep 15 19:53:17 heh, small request chuqui Sep 15 19:53:21 chuqui is amazing :) Sep 15 19:53:27 hi PatrickC_TP Sep 15 19:53:33 what's up? Sep 15 19:53:49 chuqui: when do I et a 2.2 doctor for my pre2? :) Sep 15 19:53:54 get* Sep 15 19:54:08 PatrickC_TP: that's a secret Sep 15 19:54:20 chuqui: quick pm? Sep 15 19:54:20 we've told everyone but you. but we told them if they told you, we woldn't give it to anyone. Sep 15 19:54:23 you can PM me :) Sep 15 19:54:24 akanster: sure Sep 15 19:54:35 chuqui: aww... Sep 15 19:54:48 * PatrickC_TP pout's in corner Sep 15 19:55:51 Greetings, chuqui. Pleased to meet you. Sep 15 19:56:06 EricBlade: hey, howdy. Sep 15 20:03:54 chuqui: thanks for the goodies.. we are just missing 1 thing ;) Sep 15 20:04:10 chuqui: looks like something's happening on the downloads report, the chart is actually appearing properly, although the numbers are all still weird. before, even the html or css was broken Sep 15 20:04:25 so thanks for the attention :) Sep 15 20:04:37 EricBlade: they're working on it. the feeds stuck again, I guess. Sep 15 20:06:19 lol, connecting messing with adhoc crashed my tp Sep 15 20:06:28 i've been in the business world for a long time, from various angles, but this is the weirdest and strangest transition i've ever seen. i'm just glad to see that things are being done. Sep 15 20:07:08 what is happening Sep 15 20:07:15 what'd i miss Sep 15 20:07:30 fxspec06: work being done to fix the reports that aren't worknig so well Sep 15 20:07:43 oh that would be cool. how's the app submission process going Sep 15 20:07:59 i couldn't get past app info yesterday.. did anything change chuqui? Sep 15 20:08:47 my last Palm device prior to my touchpad, was back in the day when Palm was competing with "Electronic Organizers". It's good to have nice stuff again. I just wish that the future were more clear. Sep 15 20:09:25 fxspec06: honestly, I haven't been tracking that myself. dunno. if you haven't reported your problems into pdc, please do. Sep 15 20:09:51 okay. i didnt have much time yesterday to fret but if it happens again i'll send an email Sep 15 20:10:42 also, is it possible to just leave a star rating as a review and not include actual text? Sep 15 20:11:37 I hope not Sep 15 20:12:20 yes it is Sep 15 20:16:56 akanster: even if it would be not possible, you could make a " " or a "." ... Sep 15 20:17:10 what counts a one character Sep 15 20:17:20 akanster: but i dont know, if thats possible Sep 15 20:18:10 if you force people to fill out form fields they dont want to, you're always gonna get junk Sep 15 20:22:04 well I'm not trying to leave one Sep 15 20:22:27 I have one more star ratings than I have reviews. I was wondering why. Sep 15 20:22:50 ya, it think they nolonger show w/o a review. they used to Sep 15 20:23:20 a little caching of the api requests for each page in the App Catalog app wouldnt hurt though - takes ages to browse around. Sep 15 20:24:26 Puff Puff Pass! Sep 15 20:24:59 so slow sometimes I get half tempted to look into the API requests and make a 'browse only' app catalog app that just browses. Sep 15 20:29:11 hmm. anyone know what would cause the close function to be called on a popup somewhat randomly, even though it's not actually open? Sep 15 20:29:54 * PatrickC_TP needs a real host... Sep 15 20:29:56 :/ Sep 15 20:30:03 I got it when my TP gets hot and it starts triggering random click toward one corner of the screen, Sep 15 20:30:19 yeah i still can't even make it through the submission process. just sent an email to PDC Sep 15 20:31:37 rwatkins: i'm just sitting here monitoring my app log, not doing anything, and i occasionally get an error being thrown from a popup's close event trying to access some things that don't exist .. of course they don't exist, the popup hasn't even been opened .. and i never call the close() method anywhere in my code Sep 15 20:32:10 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=18233 Sep 15 20:32:15 whew i'm not the only one apparently Sep 15 20:37:01 i can just check the thing i'm trying to access, but i'd really love to know why it's even calling the function to begin with.. is there any way to get a stack trace, short of hooking up to a debugger interface somehow? Sep 15 20:37:55 hi Sep 15 20:39:28 I'm a recent owner of a Pre3 after using a Pre+ for about a year. I have trouble configuring Mode Switcher triggers the way I had them before... It seems the "connected to " trigger doesn't kick in unless I deactivate/reactivate wifi. Anyone would have a clue about that ? Sep 15 20:39:47 Famic: there is some bug in the wifi SSID trigger Sep 15 20:40:08 its being solved atm, just waiting to get logs since I can not reproduce it, it works for me tm :) Sep 15 20:40:25 not actually sure if its a Pre3 problem only Sep 15 20:40:27 sconix: are you the app developer ? Sep 15 20:40:30 Famic: yes Sep 15 20:40:50 do you want some more data to work with ? Sep 15 20:41:07 if you know how to get logs then sure Sep 15 20:41:14 I can use lumberjack and mail you some infos Sep 15 20:41:21 hey sconix Sep 15 20:41:28 Famic: sure please do Sep 15 20:41:31 how's it goin? Sep 15 20:42:01 PatrickC_TP: hi, just fine, busy finishing patches for 2.x so that I can forget everything 2.x related and do nice stuff for touchpad :) Sep 15 20:42:10 lol Sep 15 20:42:22 sconix: well, what steps should I try to log ? for me it "just doesn't work", i.e. when I leave the app config, it reloads but doesn't notice my wifi ssid trigger is active Sep 15 20:42:22 received my dev touchpad today with couple touchstone chargers Sep 15 20:42:34 hoping that I can utilize the new touchstone identification for mode switcher Sep 15 20:42:56 sconix: awesome! Sep 15 20:43:00 * PatrickC_TP kicks ampache.. Sep 15 20:43:34 Famic: just turn wifi on, the log should show MS being called with all the info from the wifi notification Sep 15 20:45:07 sconix: what's your email ? Sep 15 20:45:36 Famic: see private message Sep 15 20:47:04 turning wifi on seems to trigger fine... I'm not sure what case doesn't work fine yet, but the reload being done after config changes doesn't make it kick in for sure Sep 15 20:47:40 Famic: it can be that something has changed in the wifi notification system for 2.2 that MS does not know to handle Sep 15 20:48:15 Famic: should be easy fix, but I have been bit busy with patches, will fix the MS bug on this weekend for sure Sep 15 20:57:10 does anyone have ampache set up on their server? Sep 15 20:58:55 not on a machine that's up right now, no Sep 15 20:59:37 ampache setup requires you to have MySQL remote access, which my server doesn't have. trying to get around it, but not having any luck.. and #ampache is no help at all Sep 15 20:59:57 yes, well Sep 15 21:00:16 so I was wondering if I could use someone else's ampache setup to get this working till I got mine set up.. Sep 15 21:00:20 s/this/my app/ Sep 15 21:01:02 mine isn't up Sep 15 21:04:33 ok Sep 15 21:07:26 PatrickC_TP: you can't use a local mysql? Sep 15 21:07:54 sugardave: you would think so.. but I can't seem to find a way to force it to use a local MySQL db and not try and create one Sep 15 21:09:42 I found this in the first pass at searching: if everything is running on the same server, it's probably easiest to configure ampache to use "localhost" as database server Sep 15 21:10:17 tried that. I'll try again Sep 15 21:11:57 nope.. Error: Unable to make Database Connection Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) Sep 15 21:12:52 do you have mysql running and otherwise accessible from stuff like the command line tools? Sep 15 21:13:03 don't have shell access.. :/ Sep 15 21:13:35 what about phpmyadmin or something Sep 15 21:13:50 that I have Sep 15 21:13:58 does it Sep 15 21:14:00 work? Sep 15 21:14:21 what? phpmyadmin Sep 15 21:14:21 yes Sep 15 21:14:40 does it work on your localhost server and you can log in and make/delete dbs and crap? Sep 15 21:15:33 the location of mysql.sock varies Sep 15 21:15:58 rwatkins: surely it's getting that from the environment...? Sep 15 21:16:16 I have a setup where I have go symlink on in /tmp every time ... Sep 15 21:17:01 argh.. I've experienced more downtime with this host then any... Sep 15 21:17:05 * PatrickC_TP goes back to old host Sep 15 21:18:43 which has shell, and more Sep 15 21:21:31 PatrickC_TP: are you actually paying for one now? Sep 15 21:21:37 nope Sep 15 21:21:48 you can't complain then. Sep 15 21:26:49 Famic: i'm jealous that you can get a pre3 Sep 15 21:27:27 if only US carriers would let us use them Sep 15 21:27:39 (specifically sprint) Sep 15 21:27:42 HattCzech_work: that was a hassle to get my hands on it. But eventually I managed to get another one for my father (and as a spare one maybe ;) Sep 15 21:27:56 they're all out of stock Sep 15 21:28:13 i got to play with one for about a month... Sep 15 21:28:18 wanted so badly to keep it Sep 15 21:28:47 I kinda preferred the pre+ size, but other than that it seems to be really fine Sep 15 21:28:56 i liked the larger screen Sep 15 21:29:15 ya, thats the killer feature for me - more screen realestate Sep 15 21:29:46 I guess I'll get used to it I must say Sep 15 21:30:05 I only hope webos will eventually get the support it deserves Sep 15 21:30:23 * Famic rants about HP for a while Sep 15 21:30:44 indeed Sep 15 21:30:47 i hope the same Sep 15 21:31:04 and i hope i can figure out how to access portions of webos without having to use a com.palm namespace :/ Sep 15 21:31:51 i'm still a bit frustrated that i can't access user information with a more intuitive interface Sep 15 21:32:05 popups are not ideal Sep 15 21:36:50 * EricBlade wonders if it's possible to setup gcc and friends on the touchpad itself to avoid having to deal with cross compiling bs Sep 15 21:37:28 * EricBlade shuold probably get back to doing real work instead of theorizing Sep 15 21:47:36 more free apps! (thanks HP) Sep 15 21:49:41 dwc-: WHERE!? :) Sep 15 21:49:43 I gthink I have some of these though Sep 15 21:49:50 HP webOS App News: Issue 2 Sep 15 21:49:59 link? Sep 15 21:50:24 ahh, webosroundup Sep 15 21:53:53 palm store slow... Sep 15 21:54:03 lol Sep 15 21:54:17 umm.. I don't se it Sep 15 21:54:28 I didn't get issue 1 Sep 15 21:54:34 crap! Sep 15 21:55:26 issue1 was Sep 15 21:55:27 Atlantis Sky Patrol HD: link Sep 15 21:55:27 Video Flood HD: link Sep 15 21:55:27 Britannica Kids: Solar System: link Sep 15 21:55:27 TapNote: link Sep 15 21:55:37 I wanted TapNote Sep 15 21:55:42 but no.. I didn't get the email Sep 15 21:59:20 HP webOS App News: Issue 2 Sep 15 21:59:20 Flashcards: link Sep 15 21:59:20 Beyond Ynth HD: link Sep 15 21:59:20 iCookbook(TM): link Sep 15 21:59:20 Supersonic HD: link Sep 15 22:01:09 * PatrickC_TP got some :) Sep 15 22:04:17 thanks to dwc- for pointing out that there was another issue Sep 15 22:04:26 now.. to figure out why some get the email and some dont Sep 15 22:06:01 some what, some email addresses? how many profiles do you have? Sep 15 22:06:10 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3317374 Sep 15 22:06:15 I'm sure u guys already know it Sep 15 22:06:28 any of you write enyo code? Sep 15 22:07:24 some (or many) of us do Sep 15 22:07:26 duncanm: why? :) Sep 15 22:09:22 i started dabbling with it, but i'm new to client-side JS and was wondering what other people think about enyo vs. sproutcore, or backbone.js or whatever framework dujour Sep 15 22:09:55 i guess the news story today is positive, but with the current license, i didn't know if it's alright to deploy an enyo app on the web Sep 15 22:10:18 also, whether or not the existing controls have event handling for keyboard+mouse as well as touch Sep 15 22:10:23 theming, as well Sep 15 22:10:34 dwc-: I have about 10 profiles in all that I have access to Sep 15 22:11:21 duncanm: Enyo runs 100% fine in a browser, in fact most developers use a browser for main development Sep 15 22:11:26 and only use device as-needed Sep 15 22:11:37 PatrickC_TP: that i know already, but what about actually hosting it on a public site? Sep 15 22:11:39 duncanm: a) don't deploy it until it's okay b) they exist (event handlers) Sep 15 22:11:58 duncanm: not allowed at this time Sep 15 22:11:59 leiru: it's not okay right now, right? Sep 15 22:12:01 right Sep 15 22:12:04 that's too bad Sep 15 22:12:31 i really like how everything is pretty much just js object literals - i was a scheme/lisp programmer before, so that's very familiar Sep 15 22:12:33 yes, it's not okay, many of us hoping it will be okay one day Sep 15 22:12:57 but at the same time, i do feel kinda lost with all the nesting of {}s Sep 15 22:13:06 PatrickC_TP: Sep 15 22:13:07 http://pref.news.hpwebosnewsletters.com/palm/palm_prefctr.asp?c=us&b= Sep 15 22:13:12 i dunno why i didn't feel that when i write scheme, but i definitely do with enyo Sep 15 22:13:40 like components: [{kind: ... components: [{....}]}] ...... Sep 15 22:13:48 i love literals as i love prototype style Sep 15 22:13:58 I have Sep 15 22:13:59 I would like to receive email communications from HP on such topics as news, offers, and tips & tricks. (U.S. residents only) Sep 15 22:14:03 checked Sep 15 22:14:04 i am not fighting for anything. Sep 15 22:14:09 leiru: as a lisper, i wish the commas were optional ;-P Sep 15 22:14:27 oh here i have a JS clue Sep 15 22:14:40 original from angus from twitter team Sep 15 22:14:42 mom Sep 15 22:14:50 oh? Sep 15 22:15:34 what gives: window[String,String,String].length ? Sep 15 22:15:43 leiru: have you tried backbone.js? Sep 15 22:15:52 duncanm: yes. Sep 15 22:16:06 how do you think it compares to enyo? Sep 15 22:16:09 but answer my funny uestion :) Sep 15 22:16:31 leiru: i don't know JS well at all Sep 15 22:16:44 duncanm: they are not comparable as backbone is not an UI toolkit, e.g. Sep 15 22:16:47 i just started using it for real last weekend after downloading the SDK Sep 15 22:17:04 leiru: ah okay, i guess sproutcore is the one that's more similar Sep 15 22:17:27 i peeked at the screencast for Sproutcore, and all the code generation scared me away Sep 15 22:17:47 it's very rails like in that you do something like sc-gen controller, sc-gen model this and that a lot Sep 15 22:18:11 i like that enyo doesn't require any of that, you can type everything in yourself Sep 15 22:18:12 have you looked at javascript MVC? Sep 15 22:18:31 leiru: i've heard of it, i just started reading the O'Reilly book about this stuff Sep 15 22:18:42 dwc-: I have them all checked Sep 15 22:18:53 its no surprise they are rails-like. yehuda is working there Sep 15 22:18:59 leiru: i read that Enyo is supposed to be fast, but then someone on twitter wrote that enyo is too slow Sep 15 22:19:10 PatrickC_TP: oh well, maybe you're not special then =] Sep 15 22:19:35 i think it was shaneosullivan, who was a featured webos dev, but he's at Facebook and apparently writing his own js framework Sep 15 22:19:36 dwc-: Chuq said its something with the email vendor and they don't know what it is yet Sep 15 22:20:21 i think it'll be neat if enyo comes with an iOS theme, and a win8 metro theme or something Sep 15 22:20:41 duncanm: that's subjective. i would say... hm... i would say sproutcore is not faster. Sep 15 22:20:44 it ought to be possible Sep 15 22:21:03 leiru: sproutcore is known to have a large code footprint, that's the other thing i learned Sep 15 22:21:08 duncanm: see the theming examples in the sdk and make one! Sep 15 22:21:19 I've been wanting Flashcards, but not enough to spend 4.99 :-) Sep 15 22:21:34 at least he gets reimbursed :-) Sep 15 22:21:35 leiru: maybe i should - that's probably a very good exercise for learning CSS Sep 15 22:21:44 i know next to nothing about CSS Sep 15 22:22:28 leiru: what have you written in enyo? Sep 15 22:23:38 my works are under NDA and in my spare time i relesead mittagsplaner for german market and froscon 2011 HD global Sep 15 22:23:49 but i am an old angry mojo dev Sep 15 22:23:54 ah Sep 15 22:24:13 well, mine shows up, and I definitely have a non-standard mail setup :) Sep 15 22:24:29 leiru: about what you were asking earlier, i don't even know what window[String,String,String] refers to - is that a type signature? Sep 15 22:24:36 well.. hoping they can get it solved quickly :) Sep 15 22:24:47 but whenever one comes out, just fwd it to me ;) Sep 15 22:25:01 duncanm: it's funny. the window object and the impact of the comma operator Sep 15 22:25:13 is this channel for devs as well as users? Sep 15 22:25:27 this channel is a dev channel. Sep 15 22:25:31 it will give you a length of 1 Sep 15 22:27:07 and will reference to: window.String Sep 15 22:29:14 halfhalo, duncanm: i would like to reference to funkatrons presentation: "users are assholes" - and to be honest - since 2 weeks i am not reading any reviews of my apps Sep 15 22:29:23 because users are stupid. Sep 15 22:29:27 yup Sep 15 22:29:31 and write stupid things. Sep 15 22:30:21 i really like paper mache Sep 15 22:32:10 off to the movies, laters, ciao! Sep 15 22:33:05 duncanm: wait! Sep 15 22:33:29 duncanm: still there? Sep 15 22:35:08 "We can deploy Web applications on webOS. We can deploy on top of Android, iOS, or Windows." Sep 15 22:35:52 you are a lisp guy? do you know this: http://osteele.com/sources/javascript/functional/ and the fact, that the JS core is very functional? Sep 15 22:36:19 fxspec06: who said that? Sep 15 22:36:21 fxspec06: yes, a reason to hope Sep 15 22:36:32 read it today, too Sep 15 22:37:15 shane robison Sep 15 22:37:21 PatrickC_TP: it's the bizman-message what to do with webOS and declaring it as business-enterprise-wtf Sep 15 22:38:05 PatrickC_TP: you hae twitter, but you seem not to follow the right ones. Sep 15 22:38:12 :) Sep 15 22:38:46 heh Sep 15 22:43:13 who should I be following then? :) Sep 15 22:43:43 the guy driving the bacon truck duhhhh Sep 15 22:47:56 hrm... bacon.... Sep 15 22:52:02 SineOt: lol Sep 15 22:53:24 mmm, bacon Sep 15 22:54:09 WinterMute: bist du aus DE? Sep 15 22:54:21 no Sep 15 22:54:25 k Sep 15 22:54:39 but pls give me some fresh bacon :) Sep 15 22:54:41 Minecraft Tip of the day: when caving, torches only on the left side! :Q Sep 15 23:19:10 Alright! Windows 8 is a go Sep 15 23:21:32 CTLAdvance: let me know what you think of it. :o I might put it on my Netbook if I can bring myself to know the hassle I'll have to go through to get OSX running on it again Sep 15 23:22:05 Windows 8 has a huge dynamic shift Sep 15 23:22:12 starting with how the desktop is now an app Sep 15 23:22:30 I really like it, but it is tough if you dont know the new keyboard commands Sep 15 23:22:49 I need to see if the webOS SDK installs at all Sep 15 23:22:51 or runs Sep 15 23:23:15 Right now all I really care for is: does it not suck to browse the web + can I chat with it :p Sep 15 23:23:43 * PatrickC_TP jumps up and down! Sep 15 23:25:06 CTLAdvance: I couldn't get it running in vbox Sep 15 23:25:24 I got it running, it's just stupid slow. Sep 15 23:25:45 it wouldn't get past the Windows Developer ... Sep 15 23:25:46 screen Sep 15 23:25:57 well, it did. but errored out Sep 15 23:26:56 http://www.winbeta.org/?q=guides/windows-8-developer-preview-keyboard-shortcuts Sep 15 23:27:16 Well whats cool is the browser has 2 modes Sep 15 23:27:22 desktop mode, or formal Sep 15 23:27:28 and touch friendly Sep 15 23:27:33 both are pretty good Sep 15 23:27:49 Any windows 7 app will run as well Sep 15 23:32:03 Yeah, I read that the "Metro" mode for IE will eschew all plugins (aka Flash) Sep 15 23:35:43 So this is my standard os now I guess. I did the same with Vista and 7, the OS is a bit raw until it downloads and installs all of the drivers etc. or it was for me Sep 15 23:35:59 But if sdk's dont work Ill have to pass I guess, so will see what happens Sep 15 23:36:11 Yeah so far its been pretty slick Sep 15 23:37:20 There is also a button in the metro mode to open it in dektop mode Sep 15 23:37:24 so yu can change quick Sep 15 23:45:33 brb Sep 16 00:08:17 woooooot Sep 16 00:08:48 enabling text selection w/o forcing the keyboard to display. Sep 16 00:09:41 rwatkins: on? Sep 16 00:10:10 TP. I have HtmlContent kind showing articles. want to be able to select text for sharing a quote, but not have it show the keyboard. Sep 16 00:10:22 in Paper Mache Sep 16 00:11:53 rwatkins: gonna open source it? Sep 16 00:12:02 ya, its one line. Sep 16 00:12:07 its what all the cool kids are doing Sep 16 00:12:08 you could also forceHide the keyboard... Sep 16 00:12:26 ya, but then I need to play games with when to re-enalbe it. Sep 16 00:12:26 set it to manual mode. Sep 16 00:12:35 -webkit-user-select: text; Sep 16 00:12:45 nice Sep 16 00:12:48 boom. text now selectable. Sep 16 00:12:49 will that enable it then? Sep 16 00:12:52 ya Sep 16 00:12:55 Slick! Sep 16 00:13:00 tweet that tip! Sep 16 00:13:01 indeed. Sep 16 00:13:49 it goes away if you click other text so you need to play tricks with then selecting something and then clickign a button to do something with the selection Sep 16 00:13:52 but whatever. Sep 16 00:14:19 select text from a menu say, and the selection goes away. before you have a chance to take action on that selection. :) Sep 16 00:14:37 hmm, that sucks Sep 16 00:14:46 I'll have to play with it Sep 16 00:15:15 ya, I ended up placing an image behind the text i need to click and then setting pointer-events: none on that text Sep 16 00:15:36 hacky, but better than screwing around with the manual keyboard. Sep 16 00:15:58 or is it.... Sep 16 00:16:51 rwatkins: can you still select it with pointer-events:none? Sep 16 00:17:33 the click falls thru the containing menu item and triggers the event. Sep 16 00:17:48 it just doenst hit text so it doesnt trigger the default de-selection. Sep 16 00:18:26 if enyo goes thru screwing around with the menu html sturcture or class names it may break i guess. Sep 16 00:19:13 but still seems less fragile than correctly always knowing when an input is visible and i need the keyboard or not - if a popup w/ an input is dismissed, etc. Sep 16 00:19:45 its also conveniently read-only too. so copy, but no paste, which is what i want Sep 16 00:21:05 time to put the kids to bed Sep 16 00:30:11 sooooo at the moment I'm leaning toward mbp Sep 16 00:30:16 Are there any keyboard tweaks e.g. remap Bluetooth keyboard keys so unofficial keyboard's sound buttons work with touchpad? Sep 16 00:30:17 booo Sep 16 00:30:28 anyone have any input? mba 13" or mbp 15"? Sep 16 00:30:41 I think I could get either and be happy. Sep 16 00:30:44 mba Sep 16 00:30:46 pros and cons to both Sep 16 00:30:47 I prefer MBPs. Sep 16 00:31:07 its light, has enough horsepower now, and has shiny ssd Sep 16 00:31:15 They run hotter and have a shorter battery life, but for the work I do, I need the better GPU and whatnot Sep 16 00:31:26 like light and ssd Sep 16 00:31:35 dislike cpu speed Sep 16 00:31:42 however, I won't be doing much with it Sep 16 00:31:45 I had the 15" pro over the summer. It was nice Sep 16 00:31:48 like battery life Sep 16 00:31:55 like 15" screen size best Sep 16 00:32:01 Tibfib_ the air has plenty of speed now. the i5 does wonders Sep 16 00:32:15 halfhalo: yeah, I'm not super worried about that. Sep 16 00:32:32 basically it is whether I want a 15" or not Sep 16 00:32:56 if you go 15" you have to get the higher res screen. you have no choice Sep 16 00:33:05 yeah Sep 16 00:33:11 which adds on another $100 Sep 16 00:33:12 :/ Sep 16 00:33:22 perhaps the price difference will be the deciding factor Sep 16 00:33:40 halfhalo: did you upgrade your cpu with your air? Sep 16 00:33:40 yeah, but if you don't I will hunt you down with a crossbow that shoots forks Sep 16 00:33:44 I don't really think about price all that much Sep 16 00:33:48 no, I have the i5 in mine Sep 16 00:34:04 wanted less heat + slightly more battery more than the little extra power Sep 16 00:34:14 that's a good point Sep 16 00:34:20 If I buy a Mac, I intend to use it for at least three years, so the price isn't as much of a concern as is whether or not it's going to hold its own for three years Sep 16 00:34:35 Nilium: right, I'm not in the same situation as you ;) Sep 16 00:34:54 looks like 13" mba is back on top Sep 16 00:34:56 No, but I think it's still a valid point. Sep 16 00:35:14 Nilium: definitely Sep 16 00:35:23 right now I have a pretty nice setup for it at work. plug it into an external monitor, and have usb audio and gigabit (yes, gigabit) ethernet along with a third party cd drive via a hub. works great Sep 16 00:35:38 nice Sep 16 00:35:42 * Tibfib has no external monitor Sep 16 00:35:47 But whatever the case, I'm having pizza for dinner, so I am happy Sep 16 00:35:49 don't plan on buying one Sep 16 00:35:58 * halfhalo only uses one at work. dell 24" ips Sep 16 00:36:10 halfhalo: was your pro 15"? Sep 16 00:36:15 yeah Sep 16 00:36:16 Reminds me, I need to buy a new monitor.. Sep 16 00:36:25 I've had the same one now for something like 6 years Sep 16 00:36:50 in case you don't know about them (which I doubt), slickdeals.net Sep 16 00:37:06 * halfhalo refuses to go to slickdeals Sep 16 00:37:08 I know about 'em, but I dislike them Sep 16 00:37:23 Oh? why the animosity? Sep 16 00:37:24 Comes across as a site full of incredibly disgusting people Sep 16 00:37:36 well, that's the internet. Sep 16 00:37:43 * halfhalo just usually ends up buying alot of crap Sep 16 00:38:01 Yeah, and I probably shouldn't complain about incredibly disgusting people when I'm on Something Awful.. Sep 16 00:38:04 oh, oh, oh! new node! Sep 16 00:38:15 But, I also dislike that it's the sort of group that buys stuff just to ebay it Sep 16 00:39:11 yeah Sep 16 00:39:37 well looks like I definitely need to go in store to make my decision Sep 16 00:40:17 yup Sep 16 00:40:30 * halfhalo can't wait for pciexpress thunderbolt) Sep 16 00:49:15 17" Sep 16 00:49:47 its all about how many pixels you can squeeze onto your display. Sep 16 00:50:18 17" is awesome, but too big to be practical Sep 16 00:50:25 for a laptop Sep 16 00:50:33 i take a 17" to and from work every day Sep 16 00:50:40 its not small and light, but reasonable. Sep 16 00:50:50 and my personal machine is a 17" too Sep 16 00:51:05 crazy sob Sep 16 00:51:37 I have a 12.6" laptop Sep 16 00:52:17 uhm. twitter is broken Sep 16 00:52:37 i have a 17". i need a bag for it Sep 16 00:52:42 * halfhalo has an 11.6, 13.3, 14.1, 15.4, and 17 Sep 16 00:52:53 like, i'm looking for a huge huge bag right now Sep 16 00:53:04 any recommendations, rwatkins? Sep 16 00:53:33 my regular shoulder bag fits the widht of 17", but normally I recommend the bags from waterfield designs - www.sfbags.com Sep 16 00:53:54 err, i meant a 11.6in lol Sep 16 00:54:00 Its a dm1z Sep 16 00:54:06 I'm sorry Sep 16 00:54:09 I love thier "laptop sleeves" just enough for the laptop itself and nothing else. Sep 16 00:54:28 * halfhalo has the bag of holding Sep 16 00:54:54 hmm. interesting. Sep 16 00:55:09 that site gives a perspective i hadn't thought of Sep 16 00:55:15 which is currently holding 4 phones, 2 tablets, and a laptop Sep 16 00:55:35 they may really quality stuff too. never had a singel issue with their bags for years. Sep 16 00:55:36 * Tibfib likes this one: http://sfbags.com/products/laptopsuedejacket/laptopsuedejacket.htm Sep 16 00:56:03 rwatkins: are you a horizontal or vertical sleeve kind of guy? Sep 16 00:56:36 veritical. with flap and sholder strap. Sep 16 00:56:53 yeah, vertical seems like it would better Sep 16 00:57:02 be Sep 16 00:57:11 its the little touches too - like the little pull on teh bottom to make it easier to slide off Sep 16 00:57:41 horizontal can be nice if you also slide that sleeve into a larger shoulder bag for bigger travel. Sep 16 00:57:48 damn those are some expensive bags. Sep 16 00:57:55 then leave the sleeve in the shoulder bag when you need to pull it out on the plane. Sep 16 00:57:58 but I prefer vertical Sep 16 00:58:21 * fxspec06 want Sep 16 00:58:57 horizontal seems like it would be tougher to fit on and off Sep 16 00:59:06 not cheap, but real quality. Sep 16 00:59:55 i like that their customizeable with the flap, strap, rings, etc - get exactly what you want. Sep 16 00:59:56 thansk for link Sep 16 00:59:58 bookmarked Sep 16 01:00:09 well they are leather. i can tell just by looking that they are quality. Sep 16 01:00:12 yeah thanks Sep 16 01:00:19 had two, no single frayed seam or anything, and I'm not nice to them. Sep 16 01:29:31 oh dangit Sep 16 01:29:47 the one thing I will more than anything on my windows laptop with a new mac one: dedicated number pad Sep 16 01:30:00 err that sounds a little odd. but you get what I mean Sep 16 01:30:35 I've always hated reaching up to hit numbers Sep 16 01:31:35 ... Sep 16 01:31:39 weirdo Sep 16 01:32:05 :p Sep 16 01:33:17 * halfhalo goes to use handbrake on air to see how it does Sep 16 01:33:36 halfhalo: ever played team fortress 2 on it? Sep 16 01:34:00 I have a big ole desktop with a q6600 and 5850 in it for that Sep 16 01:34:08 although scout ftw. Sep 16 01:34:14 haha Sep 16 01:35:18 should be fine though. the intel card is better than last generations low end dedicated like my old laptops 3470, and that could play it Sep 16 01:35:46 my current laptop is so sad it can't play team fortress 2 Sep 16 01:35:50 lol Sep 16 01:35:57 inorite Sep 16 01:36:03 it served its purpose though Sep 16 01:36:11 paperweight? Sep 16 01:36:14 heh Sep 16 01:36:18 get me into computer stuff Sep 16 01:40:21 BAD AIR! BAD! NO SYNCING MOVIES FOLDER! Sep 16 01:45:28 furmark it Sep 16 01:45:40 that'll teach it to mess with you Sep 16 01:46:20 dont tempt me... Sep 16 01:47:30 you know whats sad? I think its converting video faster than my desktop can... Sep 16 01:48:10 anyone else here rely on googles translate api for their app? Sep 16 01:50:14 nope, sorry Sep 16 01:53:31 google is pulling the plug on it. kinda upsetting.. Sep 16 01:54:39 Well, there are probably other services you can use in its place Sep 16 01:56:37 thats what i'm looking for. was hoping someone might have found something and could share that finding.. Sep 16 02:00:02 I don't know of any, but I guess check Bing/Microsoft Sep 16 02:02:44 bing has one Sep 16 02:05:03 Tibfib: free with an api? Sep 16 02:06:32 if I google for info on bings translation api should I trust the results from google? Sep 16 02:08:11 any word on if the facebook purchase of webos went thru or not? Sep 16 02:08:50 yeah i know, i gonna put the rock i've been living under on flicker.. Sep 16 02:08:55 get it? Sep 16 02:09:04 gonna put it on flicker Sep 16 02:09:07 :) Sep 16 02:09:19 tuff crowd.. Sep 16 02:09:27 lets go with that Sep 16 02:20:52 anybody here? Sep 16 02:22:02 yes. Sep 16 02:22:04 :p Sep 16 02:23:07 no. he lies. Sep 16 02:23:24 that is a distinct possibility Sep 16 02:23:56 halfhalo: I've been instructed to meet up with you O.o Sep 16 02:24:04 oh? Sep 16 02:24:10 thats never a good sign Sep 16 02:24:15 * LarrySteeze shrugs * Sep 16 02:24:21 apparently you live close to me Sep 16 02:24:30 where? Sep 16 02:24:48 bean town Sep 16 02:25:19 ? Sep 16 02:25:39 boston Sep 16 02:25:43 or was I lied to? Sep 16 02:25:57 * halfhalo is near LA... Sep 16 02:26:13 ah never mind I got confused Sep 16 02:26:22 I'm supposed to meet up with you when I meet up with ka6sox :P Sep 16 02:26:30 because I'm going to santa monica Sep 16 02:26:33 ahhh Sep 16 02:27:04 so many people trying to pimp other people out :-\ Sep 16 02:29:38 how much are you paying for him? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 16 02:59:56 2011