**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 23 02:59:56 2011 Sep 23 03:01:38 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 23 03:01:48 I'm telling you man apotheker did it for an excuse to trash the consumer division Sep 23 03:01:52 so this whitman chick whats her deal yo Sep 23 03:02:52 she is obama to leo's george w bush Sep 23 03:03:00 and that's not flattering <_< Sep 23 03:04:36 the BOT was on-board with the decisions to sell PSG and stop webOS HW - so nothing has changed there Sep 23 03:05:12 ... but this does give them cover to do somthing like put webOS on a netbook. Sep 23 03:07:45 I don't think HP have the dev-cycle ability to do low end tablets Sep 23 03:08:12 high end, just release with windows and whenever business renewals come around Sep 23 03:09:43 cloud print has gone live, without googles help that would have malingered until it withered to death Sep 23 03:11:35 I hope Whitman can stabilize things Sep 23 03:13:03 what's a netbook Sep 23 03:13:13 is that like a reliant robin Sep 23 03:13:39 yes Sep 23 03:13:53 the reliant robin of computers Sep 23 03:14:31 pornslabs are the way forward Sep 23 03:15:04 A netbook is like a Foleo, only bigger. :-) Sep 23 03:15:34 porn on a netbook is a thick, cheap, bulky and terribly angled experience i imagine Sep 23 03:15:58 a porn-slab is a tablet Sep 23 03:16:12 toilet porn slab Sep 23 03:16:32 hmm. i wonder where one would rest it. there are defnitely ergonomically issues Sep 23 03:16:47 slablet Sep 23 03:17:20 just screw a touchstone to the wall opposite the toilet if it's arms distance Sep 23 03:19:19 well, I think all this flexible display technology is going to be a real intersting feature Sep 23 03:19:44 a future made of glass Sep 23 03:19:49 a foof Sep 23 03:19:58 when are we getting some transparent tony stark phones Sep 23 03:20:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38 A Day Made of Glass... Sep 23 03:20:06 soon Sep 23 03:20:24 when am I getting "set phazers to kill" option on my phone? Sep 23 03:28:04 the term "porn slab" groses me out Sep 23 03:28:28 yeah and I was never a fan of the word "reiterate" myself Sep 23 03:28:42 though I do like the word "iterator" Sep 23 03:30:39 openmobile? android apps on webos? Sep 23 03:31:22 full retard Sep 23 03:31:49 what? lol Sep 23 03:32:05 Android apps will be just as easy to use as PalmOS apps ;-) Sep 23 03:32:34 eh, there r a few android apps I wouldnt mind using :) Sep 23 03:32:40 netflix comes to mind Sep 23 03:32:49 that's one Sep 23 03:32:52 there are no adaptivist shortcuts to widespread platform adoption, only stopgaps Sep 23 03:32:53 although I suppose without market access, it's potentially moot Sep 23 03:33:17 just because you _can_ run an android app doesn't mean you'll get access to it Sep 23 03:33:26 true Sep 23 03:33:37 * PatrickC waits for dualboot.. Sep 23 03:33:46 then I do get market access Sep 23 03:33:55 yeah, but then you have to use android Sep 23 03:34:12 meh.. that's why I'll wait for dualboot Sep 23 03:34:20 so I only use android for netflix :) Sep 23 03:34:57 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40574271/com.fxspec.leodarts_4.0.0_all.ipk Sep 23 03:35:05 4.0?? lol Sep 23 03:35:05 no sounds i couldnt get working so w.e i'm subbing Sep 23 03:35:13 yeah 4.0 Sep 23 03:35:20 running another platform or its applications should be a cherry on top, not the ice cream Sep 23 03:35:20 i take things to the next level Sep 23 03:35:38 torchie: it is Sep 23 03:35:49 I'm only running it for the 1 missing app, netflix Sep 23 03:35:56 otherwise I wouldn't run it Sep 23 03:37:12 fxspec06: I have sound Sep 23 03:37:42 look i can get it i'm just tired and i'll do it later..... i have a sound Sep 23 03:38:03 I hear sound while playing Sep 23 03:38:18 when I throw the darts, I hear sound Sep 23 03:38:24 very faint, but there Sep 23 03:40:46 damn, I hope webOS 3.0.3 doesn't suspend all timeouts. Just make them a minimum of, oh, say 2 sec? Sep 23 03:41:40 Coming back to a card after an hour and it still hasn't closed a popup is silly. Sep 23 03:59:47 * PatrickC might work on apps tonight... but not sure Sep 23 04:09:13 subbd Sep 23 04:09:23 (plz approve ;)) Sep 23 04:12:27 Nerdrage. The Targus Truss cases I ordered from Dell were shipped to the billing address I put down, not the shipping address. Purolator doesn't ship to PO Boxes. Derrrrrrrp. Sep 23 04:12:44 So apparently it's been 'delivered' to a dell warehouse somewhere. Sep 23 04:15:12 lol Sep 23 04:19:34 I'll save y'all the requisite Dell bashing, because it likely goes without saying. Sep 23 04:22:00 hey man Sep 23 04:22:03 the vostro v13's nice Sep 23 04:22:06 except for the 2 hour battery life part Sep 23 04:24:44 * PatrickC likes Dells Sep 23 04:29:14 lies Sep 23 04:31:27 * PatrickC goes to remove Villo.. to put the source on github Sep 23 04:31:38 lol Sep 23 04:32:28 villo /might/ be what's holding the release up :P Sep 23 04:32:47 * DougReeder waves goodnight Sep 23 04:55:40 https://github.com/patrickc14/Your-Radio Sep 23 04:56:23 what licenses are commonly used when selling on the app catalog Sep 23 04:56:45 like, for open source? Sep 23 04:56:49 I use GPL Sep 23 04:56:50 yeah Sep 23 04:57:01 I use GPL, so does Koto Sep 23 04:57:31 gpl, apache, mit, they all work for various purposes Sep 23 04:57:32 I want to develop something under possibly BSD or Apache and sell on a 'store' with little friction or screw-overs Sep 23 04:57:40 wow.. dkirker didn't even add a license :P Sep 23 04:58:08 I like GPL cause if someone uses your code, their app must also be open source and GPL Sep 23 04:59:27 that's precisely the reason others don't like GPL Sep 23 04:59:40 but you know, you get to decide, so, whatever :) Sep 23 04:59:48 :) Sep 23 04:59:56 I was working on something GPL, alone Sep 23 05:00:00 PatrickC: much love for keeping the gpl fire burning :) Sep 23 05:00:11 but I'm thinking of relicensing and selling on app store... Sep 23 05:01:07 you can sell a GPL app Sep 23 05:01:07 when you own it, you can license it to yourself however you like Sep 23 05:01:59 would people be able to easily fork the project and sell derivatives in the store? Sep 23 05:02:26 I mean, yes, potentially Sep 23 05:02:28 I imagine the interception there is less on the program level and more on the store level Sep 23 05:03:16 extremely close derivatives though I mean, not another different project that uses the components Sep 23 05:04:29 like if I write "block attack" and someone else rushes onto the scene a few days later with "square skirmish" with a bit more advertising and a different price point Sep 23 05:05:14 would it be best to release component code under a permissive oss license and the value layer proprietary? Sep 23 05:05:24 but if you use GPL, they their app *must* be open source Sep 23 05:05:37 so what if it's open source, patrick, they can still sell it Sep 23 05:05:50 s/open source/gpl/ Sep 23 05:05:51 true Sep 23 05:07:58 the art assets don't necessarily have to be under the same license Sep 23 05:08:29 so in the end it'd be best to do multi license? Sep 23 05:09:01 some of the indie games have done so Sep 23 05:09:07 when they've released their source Sep 23 05:09:41 I'm looking to do iPad games basically Sep 23 05:10:32 I've heard of some indie products keeping part under a copyleft and assets under a different license Sep 23 05:11:00 Aquaria: Sep 23 05:11:03 "The source code for the game's engine was released under the GNU General Public License on June 3, 2010.[30] In June 2010 it was ported to AmigaOS 4 as well. [31]" Sep 23 05:55:39 Hi ka6sox now anz updates reagrding the status_ Sep 23 05:56:17 and what app did you use for stage plane or stagebox calbe plan? like channel guitar is in channel 3 and needs to go over a di Sep 23 05:56:33 * Nilium stares Sep 23 05:56:42 * Nilium flips a coin to decide if drunk or a bot Sep 23 05:57:05 Bot. Sep 23 06:10:32 technikfreak, no time to play yet...very busy with work :( Sep 23 06:10:52 ok Sep 23 06:11:10 but di you ahve ever used it for stage plan and cable plan Sep 23 06:13:02 * Nilium is so very confused. Sep 23 06:15:35 music Sep 23 06:15:48 it's not webos, so you can tune out if you dont' care Sep 23 06:31:32 stupid ZNC.. my server must have gone offline Sep 23 07:06:10 test Sep 23 07:08:03 so the only available pre3 doctor is of course the euro WOR one Sep 23 07:08:38 Okay, on simple question, what will hp do to webOS ? Sep 23 07:08:39 anything specific to the AT&T models that you'd lose if you doctored it w/ that one? Sep 23 07:08:58 Pip: who knows. nobody knows at this point. Sep 23 07:09:17 Is it worthy for me to buy a touchpad then ? Sep 23 07:09:29 Pip: yes Sep 23 07:09:45 Can I install Android on it ? Sep 23 07:10:04 its your hardware, you can do anything you want with it. Sep 23 07:11:32 Can it be done ? Sep 23 07:11:58 ask the android people. this is #webos Sep 23 07:12:54 hum Sep 23 07:14:05 account on Sep 23 07:15:05 you'd probably lose at&t apps Sep 23 07:15:31 woops. --" Sep 23 07:15:57 I can't stop staring at a kitty playing the bongos. Sep 23 07:16:06 dwc-: which are? Sep 23 07:16:21 lol Sep 23 07:18:39 I guess i could always copy off the apps n re-install Sep 23 08:00:37 rwatkins: dunno, I don't have a pre3 Sep 23 08:00:53 but probably the at&t nav, maybe the amazonmp3 stuff, the att wifi signont hing, etc Sep 23 08:01:01 whatever's in the vendor tar Sep 23 08:01:35 a vendor tar in teh doctor .. that likely will not be released? Sep 23 08:01:49 correct Sep 23 08:01:56 since it would need AT&T approval to release Sep 23 08:02:39 any good way to image a clean ATT device? or is copying off all the apps and services likely good enough? Sep 23 08:04:29 just considering if I had to doctor an ATT Pre3 what I might want to consider .. before doing it. :) Sep 23 08:07:08 rwhitby; I'm trying to increase the read= size that mount.cfis can use, and it says it can't be set higher than the kernel flag "CIFSMaxBufSize" but I can't seem to locate it. Instructions for other distros mention using modprobe, but on webos it can't find the module "cifs". any ideas? Sep 23 08:34:07 lonequid: no idea Sep 23 08:34:23 rwatkins: I have a wiki page for exactly that Sep 23 08:34:37 rwatkins: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pre_3_Impersonation Sep 23 08:34:51 woot, thx. Sep 23 08:37:27 rwhitby: i heard rumours that it'd get it's doctor released… but i guess not? :( Sep 23 08:38:16 eighthree: it would require AT&T approval, no? Sep 23 08:38:26 AT&T doesn't sell the phone. Sep 23 08:38:38 People would ring AT&T asking for support. Sep 23 08:38:40 rwhitby: because of the usage of the name AT&T? or Sep 23 08:38:42 Not gonna happen. Sep 23 08:39:13 people who aren't too sharp and got an ATT pre 3 Sep 23 08:39:33 would call ATT anyway... Sep 23 08:39:38 couldn't they release it as Sep 23 08:39:54 webOS 2.2 16GB doctor Sep 23 08:39:56 generic Sep 23 08:41:01 they could easily release the WR doctor with the flags changed to allow it to install on that model, yes. Sep 23 08:41:14 but it would not be an AT&T doctor, and would not contain the AT&T apps. Sep 23 08:41:26 right. Sep 23 08:41:46 rwhitby: to be clear, those instructions install the EU doctor on the ATT Pre3, they do not save any vendor customizations to the OS. Sep 23 08:41:56 which is still better than having to go through that process, say you needed to reset your phone n a moments notice.. Sep 23 08:42:13 ? Sep 23 08:44:19 youre not returning your ATT Pre3 to factory settings, your returing it to the EU version settings, but on a 16GB ATT model? Sep 23 08:45:12 are you talking to me? Sep 23 08:45:31 to anyone, but addressing rwhitby wiki page Sep 23 08:45:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pre_3_Impersonation Sep 23 08:47:59 new version of Paper Mache submitted - should make it out before the next Pivot. Sep 23 08:51:35 ahhh right yep gotcha Sep 23 08:51:44 your app rwatkins? Sep 23 08:52:08 ya Sep 23 08:52:22 for touchpad? Sep 23 08:52:29 hopefully mentioned in Pivot next month. Sep 23 08:52:45 TP and Pre3. Sep 23 08:52:56 lemme go check it out Sep 23 08:53:18 Though Pre3 per kinda .. sucks on most devices. Enyo issues with sliding panes i think. Sep 23 08:53:31 s/per/perf/ Sep 23 08:54:08 http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/ Sep 23 08:55:04 yeah, i was having performance issues on pre3 with the panes Sep 23 08:55:23 (in paper mache) Sep 23 08:55:28 Xuzz: :/ Sep 23 08:55:31 i admire your simple ui a lot rwatkins Sep 23 08:55:54 works fine in the emulator. and some people report it being 'ok' Adora said good enough to release, so I let it go. Sep 23 08:55:57 rwatkins: fwiw, ever consider making the left panel the same width as the middle one? it always bugs me :\ Sep 23 08:56:06 eighthree: thx Sep 23 08:56:46 Xuzz: hm. possibly Sep 23 08:57:09 otherwise, <3 paper mache Sep 23 08:57:10 the sizing of the article pane is tricky for a variety of reasons but the other two I can move around much more easily Sep 23 08:57:36 the middle one is wider mostly because I figure you need it to better scan the article titles. Sep 23 08:57:49 that folder names will be shorter Sep 23 08:58:44 yeah Sep 23 08:58:59 i see the logic, but the different widths just bug me asthetically Sep 23 08:59:11 ya, I can see that. I'll consider it. Sep 23 08:59:41 cheers m8's Sep 23 09:00:42 UI feedback like that is good. like ianbeck pointed out early on that the article entries were just big enough to duplicate the bottom divider Sep 23 09:00:58 so the list had a double rule on the bottom when scrolled to the top. Sep 23 09:01:12 the white icons in the toolbar are also slightly weird Sep 23 09:01:14 little tweaks to a px here or there really make it look more polished and I dont always see that myself. Sep 23 09:01:23 pressed states would be nice so i can tell which one i'm hitting Sep 23 09:01:32 (unless that's in the latest version?) Sep 23 09:01:50 they turn blue on press Sep 23 09:02:04 okay, nevermind Sep 23 09:02:17 they're not great icons though, but design not my expertise. Sep 23 09:02:36 oh, similar to the thing about the left panel Sep 23 09:02:45 more than making it the same width Sep 23 09:02:48 it would be nice to have some visual indicator that "archive" and "delete" will act immediately and the others pop a menu. Sep 23 09:03:01 i'd love just a few more pixels when it's covered by the middle panel Sep 23 09:03:27 although making them equal width would help satisfy my interface OCD Sep 23 09:03:47 a few more px would maybe give you the first letter to pick between the custom folders. Sep 23 09:04:01 well, padding around the icons too Sep 23 09:04:04 though without that it also looks "cleaner" Sep 23 09:04:06 which probably means a wider panel Sep 23 09:04:21 and taller rows :\ Sep 23 09:05:07 yea, more padding means that the folder names will get truncated faster Sep 23 09:05:14 not if the panel is wider :D Sep 23 09:05:21 heh Sep 23 09:05:32 just an idea. Sep 23 09:05:43 ya, I'll poke at it a bit n see Sep 23 09:06:18 cool Sep 23 09:06:29 the width gets all tricky because its also gotta work in landscape and portrait Sep 23 09:06:54 you use it in mostly in landscape or portrait? Sep 23 09:55:00 umzug I haz it Sep 23 13:34:59 does anyone have an idea why i don't get a passwordialog on a 401 page with content-length 0 in the webos browser? Sep 23 14:06:28 morning all Sep 23 14:08:13 hello PatrickC Sep 23 14:13:34 hey is there a viable alternative to comicshelf hd? Sep 23 14:14:43 Gnar: don't think so, why? Sep 23 14:14:44 Gnar: ask Jason ;) Sep 23 14:14:50 hey Caleb Sep 23 14:14:55 pc-world: how's it goin? Sep 23 14:18:56 PatrickC: the app got almost feature-complete a few days ago, only some help messages missing and the in-app-purchase which I'm working on right now :) Sep 23 14:19:24 PatrickC: any features you miss and/or should be in the public release? Sep 23 14:19:30 wait... there is IAP in mojo?? :P Sep 23 14:19:35 SFTP? :) Sep 23 14:20:10 PatrickC: no, I'll implement something myself and hope they will approve it... Sep 23 14:20:16 I don't use many ftp clients, so it seems to get the job done for me :) Sep 23 14:20:22 SFTP may come in some later release Sep 23 14:20:36 SSH shell Sep 23 14:20:38 * PatrickC ducks Sep 23 14:20:58 SSH shell has almost nothing to do with FTP, so at least not in this app :D Sep 23 14:21:06 lol Sep 23 14:21:23 maybe I'll make a simple FTP server app Sep 23 14:21:56 hmm.. an ftp server app? Sep 23 14:22:39 to let you browse your phone/TP files on your PC Sep 23 14:23:12 like Gemini does on the touchpad? Sep 23 14:23:42 somehow yes. just imagine your TP/Pre would be like your webserver Sep 23 14:24:01 so you could connect with FileZilla or whatever to your Pre and manage your files Sep 23 14:24:46 that'd be cool Sep 23 14:25:35 u could have a web interface so people could access it no matter where they went Sep 23 14:25:58 well, you can do simple FTP actions in most web browser (just browsing and downloading) Sep 23 14:29:17 yeah, but you can't manage via that Sep 23 14:49:24 bbl Sep 23 15:23:09 pc-world: yeah well it's a linux box so you can run whatever ftp daemon or web server you want Sep 23 15:23:36 destinal: I know Sep 23 15:24:10 just finding an open source version, making a service to manage its config and an app interface to control that service and packaging it up I suppose Sep 23 15:25:52 destinal: that's what I thought and why I think it's easy to make an app like this ;) Sep 23 15:46:26 is there some way to monitor the kernel log via usb? not that i expect it would help, i'm probably crashing before i'd get it, but i've got an app that is crashing the whole system and i'd like to figure out why Sep 23 15:46:29 http://www.splashtop.com/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/you-asked-for-it-we-listened Sep 23 15:52:26 EricBlade: you can get the kernel log even _after_ crash Sep 23 15:52:42 * EricBlade looks interested Sep 23 15:54:46 helooo Sep 23 15:54:47 bootie has a command to print out the kernel log, if you use a very warm reboot so the memory doesn't degrade (you can pull battery for a very short time) Sep 23 15:54:54 booty :O Sep 23 15:54:57 I haven't done it in a while Sep 23 15:55:37 o.O Sep 23 15:56:15 let me just say that it's -really- sad that i can crash the os from javascript Sep 23 15:56:26 you can? Sep 23 15:57:03 well not intentionally Sep 23 15:57:18 the OS or just Luna? Sep 23 15:57:41 pretty sure it's the whole thing, luna normally restarts when it dies Sep 23 15:59:09 my app is doing a specific chain of functions when it is brought into foreground, and occasionally when that runs, it completely locks Sep 23 15:59:22 EricBlade: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie -- the klog command Sep 23 16:17:40 hi isi it possible to print form spreadshet quickoffice on a typ? Sep 23 16:49:06 EricBlade: i can do the same thing with a site that i'm working on for my company Sep 23 17:01:02 * halfhalo yawns Sep 23 17:04:00 looks like they finally launched a batch of updates...sAWEET Sep 23 17:05:43 ? Sep 23 17:05:46 who where what? Sep 23 17:05:48 CTLAdvance: Sep 23 17:05:49 ? Sep 23 17:06:02 catalog Sep 23 17:06:07 ohh Sep 23 17:06:29 *anxiously awaits webos 2.2 for veer* Sep 23 17:07:55 heh Sep 23 17:17:03 so every time I upload a new version of my app, I then endup wasting all my time just refreshing the "My Apps" page on the portal waiting to see if its gone thru Sep 23 17:17:20 isn't there an app for that? Sep 23 17:17:38 there should be "an email for that" but ... no. Sep 23 17:19:29 dish + blockbuster, eh? Sep 23 17:24:54 rwatkins: same here.... Sep 23 18:09:09 more apps Sep 23 18:33:19 * halfhalo does a little dance Sep 23 18:43:40 make a little love? get down tonight? Sep 23 18:52:14 hah Sep 23 18:52:26 wtf Sep 23 18:55:58 now i've got that song stuck in my head Sep 23 18:58:30 Yeah, same here Sep 23 19:02:31 hah. WIN! Sep 23 20:04:39 rawr Sep 23 20:06:59 i want to update comicshelf hd dadgummit Sep 23 20:07:13 will it instantly be on preware when jason uploads it? Sep 23 20:07:14 hmm Sep 23 20:07:21 or is there an approval process like hp app store? Sep 23 20:08:58 why can't you update it? Sep 23 20:10:15 its not out yet i dont think Sep 23 20:10:33 i think he said its going to be uploaded next day or two Sep 23 20:10:40 i wanted to use it over the weekend Sep 23 20:11:13 Wonder why make isnt finding arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld Sep 23 20:19:24 wrea: You need to specify it Sep 23 20:20:00 wrea: both in path AND CROSS_COMPILE envs Sep 23 20:20:11 and ARCH Sep 23 20:20:57 Well, it gives the full path of where it is expecting it, which is the correct location Sep 23 20:29:45 oh wow another app cat update today Sep 23 20:30:59 yep. hi ericblade Sep 23 20:35:54 EricBlade: Is that really updates or just updates to that dumb magazine? :) Sep 23 20:47:16 Khaytsus: the magazine won't update till oct i'd guess .. i've seen two dumps of new and updated programs to the app cat today Sep 23 20:48:23 They update the cat app every time they update apps? Sep 23 20:48:29 or am I confused :) Sep 23 20:48:49 no no i meant they did updates to the catalog not to the catalog app Sep 23 20:49:07 Aha, I figured that'd be transparent to the user Sep 23 20:53:34 hi, I've installed the ubercalendar patch on my veer with the download provided in the forum Sep 23 20:54:19 now preware sugests a update through preware, will that work ? or do I run into the same issue I had when I tried installing it from preware ? Sep 23 21:06:56 so should i get the ATT Pre3 or the UK unlocked Pre3 from ebay? Sep 23 21:06:57 wow someone pooped out a $1.50 alarm clock app that has a background of a cityscape. 3 of them, with a different cityscape each. really? Sep 23 21:08:01 EricBlade: That's worth $4.50! Sep 23 21:08:25 Oh wait, three different apps, $1.50 each? Heh! Sep 23 21:08:41 i'm just going to assume that that's not any of you in here, i don't think anyone i've met in here is the type of person to do that sort of thing :) Sep 23 21:08:46 nohorse: From wehre would you get the ATT Pre3? Sep 23 21:08:55 EricBlade: You mean that big of a douchebag? Sep 23 21:08:56 ebay Sep 23 21:09:23 EricBlade: I've seen Android apps like that.. Like "wallpaper packs" or some nonsense. Sep 23 21:13:34 i really wish there was a folder system Sep 23 21:18:49 pro tip: when creating screenshots for your app do both landscape and portrait Sep 23 21:19:07 so we can see you app is smart enough to deal with that and what it looks like. Sep 23 21:27:56 help :( Sep 23 21:28:05 i can't chmod carrierdb.json Sep 23 21:28:10 says "read-only file system" Sep 23 21:28:13 wuut :( Sep 23 21:28:26 hey Sep 23 21:28:29 help with my touchpad Sep 23 21:28:33 It won't boot Sep 23 21:28:38 just installed warthog kernel Sep 23 21:29:00 I'm logged in as "root" Sep 23 21:29:34 and closed preware tab after it was done before I did a device restart Sep 23 21:29:39 and so yeah Sep 23 21:29:42 restarted and nothing Sep 23 21:29:47 just tries to boot then reboots Sep 23 21:29:51 never gets into webos Sep 23 21:30:54 eighthree: rootfs_open Sep 23 21:31:02 siestacat: memboot Sep 23 21:31:11 memboot... Sep 23 21:31:12 ilu halfhalo Sep 23 21:31:13 <3 Sep 23 21:31:13 bootie? Sep 23 21:31:16 halfhalo Sep 23 21:31:29 do you mean bootie? Sep 23 21:32:08 ah Sep 23 21:32:10 yes you do Sep 23 21:32:14 no, I mean memboot a kernel and then install one via preware Sep 23 21:34:15 * halfhalo-phone waits for shuttle... grrr Sep 23 21:35:57 ah Sep 23 21:35:58 good Sep 23 21:36:02 alrighty Sep 23 21:36:09 thank you Sep 23 21:36:29 oh neat! i just discovered you can stack unrelated cards Sep 23 21:36:42 yup Sep 23 21:37:09 * halfhalo-phone bets he will be sitting here waiting for shuttle for ages Sep 23 21:37:14 i don't think this stuff is in the user's manual. why am i reading the tech docs to find this stuff out? lol Sep 23 21:38:32 lol Sep 23 21:38:36 So I'm in class today Sep 23 21:38:43 Everyone whips out their phones for stopwatches Sep 23 21:38:57 my dumb little pixi absolutely rapes their feature phones in every way shape and for Sep 23 21:39:14 * halfhalo-phone is old school... he has a real watch Sep 23 21:39:25 form* Sep 23 21:39:41 who has a feature phone these days? Sep 23 21:40:33 though I do still wear a watch, every day. Sep 23 21:41:02 I stopped wearing a watch Sep 23 21:41:33 no one in my class has anything nicer than a resistive piece of shit with a proprietary OS Sep 23 21:41:35 :) Sep 23 21:41:42 makes me feel happy about my pixi Sep 23 21:42:39 ugggggg Sep 23 21:43:01 * halfhalo-phone bets he is going to hit school traffic in shuttle Sep 23 21:43:32 using this: http://digitalunlock.com/webos/carrierdb/index.html Sep 23 21:43:35 to modify my carrier db.. Sep 23 21:44:06 anyone used it before? Sep 23 21:44:27 EricBlade: I found it out on accident Sep 23 21:47:11 i see there are super-scrollers in the design document, too bad that stuff didn't get implemented yet. i was also thinking "it would be kind of neat if we could do a zoom-in on the notification panel, and then have all of them viewed seperately" Sep 23 22:01:19 * halfhalo-phone grrs Sep 23 22:01:27 bah :( Sep 23 22:01:34 so my carrier (fido) basically told me Sep 23 22:01:56 I'm not getting HSPA+ because my phone's settings APN? or something isn't recognizing fido/isnt set up for their system Sep 23 22:02:33 and they won't tell you the APN? Sep 23 22:02:52 if you need APN settings, I typically google site:howardforums.com Sep 23 22:02:52 they do.. Sep 23 22:02:59 i try to manually override it.. but it says Sep 23 22:03:01 err, with APN Sep 23 22:03:02 "error" Sep 23 22:03:03 * halfhalo-phone has officially been at this dealership for 1 hour. Sep 23 22:03:14 invalid internet apn Sep 23 22:03:19 try a different one Sep 23 22:03:20 :S Sep 23 22:05:47 theres no other one ;( Sep 23 22:06:09 google has suggested at least 3 different fido APNs Sep 23 22:06:12 Invalid Internet APN Settings .. Sep 23 22:07:04