**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 29 02:59:56 2011 Sep 29 03:00:00 ah, so did you just author your own dashboard.html then? your not using the default one? Sep 29 03:00:02 and the dashboards work fine in the emulator Sep 29 03:00:42 I copied something standard, I don"t remember what Sep 29 03:00:57 does it work find on the 2.2 emulator tho? Sep 29 03:01:01 fine that is Sep 29 03:01:24 works fine in Emulator, don't have a Pre3 Sep 29 03:02:02 dunno that anyone in town has one Sep 29 03:02:07 right but just confirming you've also got PopupCalc going in the 2.2 Emulator, not just the 3.0 emulator. Sep 29 03:02:29 need to pick brains (I blame too much tiredness for the failing of my own) - I've written this 'fetcher' that can be called upon to get data from multiple sources - and for the most part they're threadsafe (meaning I can get data from two simultaneously) but I have some non-threadsafe sources that need to be queued... Sep 29 03:02:31 right, works fine in 2.2 Emulator Sep 29 03:02:34 hm Sep 29 03:02:50 and I don't even know what the question is lol Sep 29 03:03:23 cuz something is borked in the default dashboard code - figured it was the transparency using the 2.2 webkit, but I see that PopupCalc does use the transparency in the background too. Sep 29 03:03:25 Suppose I need to define some sort of singleton or class level method... Sep 29 03:04:29 PopupCalc doesn't use the Enyo Dashboard widget Sep 29 03:05:14 right, I think there is something in the default enyo widget that plays havoc with the 2.2 webkit Sep 29 03:05:18 ... bunch of VBoxes and HBoxes Sep 29 03:05:35 Ah, that would make sense Sep 29 03:05:56 Does 2.2.3 help, do you know? Sep 29 03:06:08 no, doesnt Sep 29 03:06:17 bummer Sep 29 03:06:18 2.2 emulator and 2.2.3 device both broken. Sep 29 03:06:31 ya, likely just gonna clone the existing widget into my app and tweak the css. Sep 29 03:06:46 ends up being like 10 files just to get at the css, but whatever. Sep 29 03:07:08 Freman: create a queue and pop an item of each time you get a callback from your service. Sep 29 03:07:17 yeah, its a pain to try and fix anyhing in a framework Sep 29 03:08:58 Is there a sample app that puts up an Enyo dashboard? I don't remember one. Sep 29 03:09:28 function runQueue() { var url = myarray.shift(); if url (callservice({ url: url, callback: runQueue}});) } Sep 29 03:09:53 dev support always takes bug reports more seriously when you can tel them how to produce it in their code. Sep 29 03:10:53 Freman What king of data sources? network or local? Sep 29 03:11:10 ya, usually its easier to give a patch to the framework than build up a simple app to show it. but then they do atleast ahve the repro case Sep 29 03:11:26 apps are always single-threaded, anyway Sep 29 03:11:45 network, some use http basic auth - making them threadsafe, some use cookies - which means they can't be accessed under two different conditions Sep 29 03:12:38 Ah threaded at the other end. Sep 29 03:13:46 think I've worked a happy medium Sep 29 03:14:34 Have one DAO for the threaded stuff, and a diferent one for the non-threaded Sep 29 03:14:49 DougReeder: have you plucked js files out of the framework to patch and include in your app? Sep 29 03:15:08 * DougReeder nods Sep 29 03:16:08 ok, so I'm not likely to get whacked by the app portal for grabbing a dozen js/css/html files that make the dashboard and include a HP copyright header. Sep 29 03:16:35 actually only 5 files. 7 images. Sep 29 03:16:43 The scanner doesn't seem to look for that. Sep 29 03:17:11 cool. only use that control when I detect a 2.x device anyway. thx! Sep 29 03:17:53 the scanner flagged a luna url I assembled on the fly, though. But I seem to be whitlisted for that, now Sep 29 03:18:28 at this point they should just be able to whitelist by developer. Sep 29 03:20:04 There were some weird error messages which suggested that the whitelist from last December is still around, but not currently used (except by error msg generation) Sep 29 03:20:43 PuffTheMagic: looking good Sep 29 03:22:04 * DougReeder smiles "never mind your belt rating, are you whitelisted?" Sep 29 03:22:17 heh Sep 29 03:23:34 evening Sep 29 03:24:43 * DougReeder waves to CTLAdvance Sep 29 03:24:51 * CTLAdvance waves back Sep 29 03:25:35 * DougReeder thinks (((my keyboard has a control key, but no 'advance' key))) Sep 29 03:27:56 * CTLAdvance wondered the same Sep 29 03:28:11 * CTLAdvance is selling his nook color on the wake of the amazon tab... Sep 29 03:28:31 * CTLAdvance is also playing battle Field 3 Beta whilest deving webOS Sep 29 03:29:25 I can't imagine you'll get a good price now. Sep 29 03:29:34 almost 200 Sep 29 03:32:39 That's not bad. Sep 29 03:33:42 queues work better if you remember to kick the next process in the list off Sep 29 03:34:07 yeah Sep 29 03:34:11 imma little mad Sep 29 03:34:16 * DougReeder nods Sep 29 03:34:18 about this here nook color Sep 29 03:34:40 well I dunno I probably won't get the amazon tab either Sep 29 03:35:02 it's like a billion times better but I think I'm just gonna go with that ten incher the fruit company puts out Sep 29 03:35:07 and sold for ~190 Sep 29 03:35:37 cant wait to see what breaks in that new Amazon cloud browser too Sep 29 03:35:50 is there something to Silk besides being opera mini Sep 29 03:35:51 probably laggy like Opera Sep 29 03:35:55 like what's the deal Sep 29 03:36:10 supposedly there's more to it than just hey imma render the page and give it to you as a pitcha or whatever Sep 29 03:36:27 unlike opera, they've got the backend infrastructure to deal with as much as they want tho Sep 29 03:36:39 Opera couldn't take the heat? Sep 29 03:36:52 EC2 > Opera Sep 29 03:37:25 gargantuan world with bandwidth and cpu Sep 29 03:37:35 world wide Sep 29 03:37:43 what does that translate to Sep 29 03:37:50 faster page loads? Sep 29 03:38:01 Dunno how well it'll work for users, but Amazon gets to record and index every web request you make. Sep 29 03:38:38 wonder how that deals with SPDY Sep 29 03:38:42 yeah i hear that was the big deal Sep 29 03:38:47 they aggregate all the data Sep 29 03:38:47 Betch Amazon sites are faster than the rest of the web. Sep 29 03:38:55 then they kick google's ass at having the data Sep 29 03:40:30 Then they can pay MS for it... Sep 29 03:42:37 lol Sep 29 03:42:43 my roommate's in the market for a kindle Sep 29 03:42:48 so I broke her the news Sep 29 03:43:07 asked what the fire's supposed to be like, so I broke out the nook color Sep 29 03:43:20 initial response: "that [screen] hurts!" Sep 29 03:43:39 still reading on it now Sep 29 03:47:31 ok, NetQuota is ready to test... if your an internode, iiborg, tpg or bigpond customer Sep 29 03:49:38 20:36 < DougReeder> Betch Amazon sites are faster than the rest of the web. Sep 29 03:49:41 they're not Sep 29 03:49:50 amazon vs. the internet Sep 29 03:49:56 at least not the stuff my employer has hosted there in the past Sep 29 03:50:02 guys what are we gonna do with this kindle thing Sep 29 03:50:07 we're going to DEFEAT THE INTERNET IN ARMED COMBAT Sep 29 03:50:19 the stuff the public can use on EC2 anyways, has fairly terrible latency Sep 29 03:50:34 and I/O throughput Sep 29 03:50:39 I mean, faster I Silk, to lock people in to Amazon's corner of the internet Sep 29 03:51:12 s/faster I Silk/faster in Silk/ Sep 29 03:52:19 HP's newly-hired CEO Meg Whitman said the company will continue to optimize WebOS, a sign it isn't giving up on the beleagured platform as it works toward reversing its fortunes. Sep 29 03:52:33 She agrees with many of Apotheker's strategies, including HP's cutting back WebOS development after the TouchPad was recalled just five weeks after it was released. Sep 29 03:52:37 whats it going to do at this point :d Sep 29 03:52:43 watch them decide to not spin off the hardware group Sep 29 03:52:59 sounds like I will continue to not count on them doing any development Sep 29 03:53:01 She thinks it will be the best printer OS EVER! Sep 29 03:53:42 honestly? the embedded stuff on the jetdirect cards was far from awesome too Sep 29 03:54:01 either way, I'd settle for more updates Sep 29 03:54:21 anything that sells more ink at $100/gallon Sep 29 03:54:47 could be that the firesale was just publicity to get them into circulation, and they end up keeping the unit Sep 29 03:55:30 No, they're not that smart, and they're not that stupid (to quote the Coke chairman) Sep 29 03:56:06 desperatly want basic auth fixes that stop it from just retrying with dodgy credentials and failing properly Sep 29 03:56:15 (and a dictionary cos clearly I can't spell) Sep 29 03:56:38 They've laid off the hw engineers. That's pretty final. Sep 29 03:58:18 If Text Assist were less aggressive, it would actually be useful Sep 29 04:11:12 Text Assist: Sep 29 04:11:30 NO TORCHIE IT'S ALWAYS SPELLED IT'S Sep 29 04:12:55 hmmm so... where does one go to get ads for their apps - now that admob is no longer serving for touchpads Sep 29 04:15:36 Ads? In *my* Touchpad? Sep 29 04:15:42 I guess it's more likely than I think. Sep 29 04:15:55 you go to a different revenue model Sep 29 04:16:37 you sell for the monies direct Sep 29 04:16:46 and then you make many of the cash for to provide some developments Sep 29 04:16:55 you do the, free version, full version way Sep 29 04:17:05 I was aiming to have just one add at the top with in-app purchase to piss it off Sep 29 04:17:14 AdSense? Sep 29 04:17:21 would anyone in here by chance have had experience with installer.xml errors on meta-doctor, a pre3 and webos 2.2.3? Sep 29 04:17:23 don't want no ads cramping your artistic VISION Sep 29 04:17:32 ^ Sep 29 04:17:33 I havent gotten anything from admob to work in webOS Sep 29 04:17:34 or google Sep 29 04:17:40 I have no artistic vision it's all functionality driven Sep 29 04:17:41 recently* Sep 29 04:19:20 is touchpad worth developing for down the line? Sep 29 04:19:24 the function is the art Sep 29 04:19:37 sure webos will be around, but undoubtedly people will upgrade to other tablets eventually and webos on a tablet will no longer be relevant Sep 29 04:19:55 i'm Sep 29 04:20:05 admittedly shafting everything in favor of iPad right about now Sep 29 04:22:14 I love deving for my touchpad, I've tried deving for i*.* but I can't get past the annual fee - considering most stuff I release for free or do it for myself only Sep 29 04:22:36 There will soon be a million Touchpads out there. That's a fair base for development. Sep 29 04:23:21 I want to dev for iOS but I can't justify paying $90/yearly when I don't intend any return (for the most part) Sep 29 04:24:14 If you cant make at least 90 dollars on IOS, then you fail hard Sep 29 04:25:00 make a bikini girl fart app Sep 29 04:25:02 instant gold Sep 29 04:25:06 cha-ching! $$$ Sep 29 04:26:12 More like make a blank screen... $$$$ Sep 29 04:26:46 "LOL it looks like my i-thing is off, but it's actually on! LOL@U" Sep 29 04:27:05 heh Sep 29 04:27:40 * Freman pokes his touchpad... hello.. .there's email waiting... why you no find it Sep 29 04:28:03 Here is the thing... you like webOS, make phonegap for webOS, then build it for Android, IOS, WP7, BB, Symbian, etc Sep 29 04:28:48 my phone contract is up next month, I'll be free of iOS heading for android Sep 29 04:29:01 Infact, the app I am working now, not only works good on phonegap in WebOS and Android, but I will be killing phonegap and making it a Metro App on Windows 8 as well Sep 29 04:29:28 Leave the polish for another needs work platform... YAY Sep 29 04:29:59 I don't care so much about polish, I'm more about knocking up my own little tools and apps for me Sep 29 04:30:08 ah Sep 29 04:30:09 Yeah Sep 29 04:30:23 No sideloading for you unless you want to pay on IOS... or jailbreak Sep 29 04:30:33 Why didnt you jailbreak and sideload that way? Sep 29 04:30:49 * CTLAdvance wonders why CTLAdvance hasnt jailbroken yet and sideloaded his own apps Sep 29 04:30:56 I have jailbroken, and do sideload Sep 29 04:31:18 oh then whats the issue, need a fix of twiz Sep 29 04:31:44 thats touch wiz for you non Samsungsters Sep 29 04:31:47 it gets more difficult to jb as new phones come out Sep 29 04:33:16 Yeah, if you dont like walled gardens, then IOS isnt the place for you Sep 29 04:33:21 only reason I even ended up with an iphone is the samsung wasn't available when I *needed a phone right this instant cos my other one died and I'm buying a house* Sep 29 04:33:24 So easy to deploy your own stuff on android Sep 29 04:34:06 build your project in eclipse, eclipse installs and launches it Sep 29 04:34:37 though, its a bit more of a pain than webOS Sep 29 04:36:24 webos rocks,do 99.9% of dev and test in chrome, drop on touchpad and it goes Sep 29 04:36:35 chrome? lol.... Sep 29 04:37:13 I use IE10.... drop on touchpad and it goes... Sep 29 04:37:14 Freman, where did you find chrome for webOS? Sep 29 04:37:21 on linux Sep 29 04:37:23 CTLAdvance, THUD? Sep 29 04:37:39 Actually runs perfect in IE10 Sep 29 04:37:58 Which I was surprised Sep 29 04:38:11 Freman, using a chroot or what? Sep 29 04:38:19 As in IE10 Alpha Preview it did not work at all.... IE10 on windows 8, works 100% Sep 29 04:38:38 CTLAdvance: not for Enyo I assume. Sep 29 04:38:50 ka6sox: I think he means he devs in chrome and deploys to touchpad Sep 29 04:38:54 No Enyo Sep 29 04:38:59 Enyo doesnt work Sep 29 04:39:00 so .. woo woo. Sep 29 04:39:04 ah Sep 29 04:39:17 ka6sox, running enyo in chrome for dev on my linux box Sep 29 04:39:20 Yeah I know it, not using enyo and app performance is through the roof Sep 29 04:39:23 :) Sep 29 04:39:29 not a big suprise that a framework written for IE .. works in IE. Sep 29 04:39:40 Freman, nice Sep 29 04:39:44 whats that? Sep 29 04:39:53 I thought you meant running it *on* webOS. Sep 29 04:40:00 grr... gimp just ate all my resources Sep 29 04:40:09 I don't use a web browser for Enyo development - too many differences from webOS Sep 29 04:40:20 like "wow, I use jquery rather than enyo and wow, it works in IE10 too!" Sep 29 04:40:21 Yeah, DougReeder I agree' Sep 29 04:40:59 Its like, I dont use Enyo on an app in my touchpad, and it is smoother and faster than enyo on the touchpad..... Sep 29 04:41:11 But I see your point Sep 29 04:41:34 funny how when you use a stripped down framework that targets only the features you need can somehow be faster than a framework written to support the general case. Sep 29 04:41:47 amazing Sep 29 04:41:57 Well I think its more that Enyo relies heavily on heavy JS processing Sep 29 04:42:05 * Freman shrugs, deving in enyo was nice and fast Sep 29 04:42:26 For instance, chrome handles it well... on a PC. Sep 29 04:42:32 you can go write your wicked fast assembly by hand too for windows. Sep 29 04:42:37 lol Sep 29 04:42:41 the iPad 2 also handles Enyo smoother than the TouchPad Sep 29 04:42:42 me, I'll use a framework thankyou Sep 29 04:42:43 on a slower CPU Sep 29 04:42:43 :\ Sep 29 04:42:44 :) Sep 29 04:43:06 Xuzz, the ipads 2's processor is a new chipset I believe Sep 29 04:43:10 I like framework, generally "looks better" Sep 29 04:43:15 possibly, but clocked much slower Sep 29 04:43:17 The 1.5ghz chipset would have been better I assume Sep 29 04:43:17 than if I'd done it by hand Sep 29 04:43:23 Xuzz: maybe because they begain development *on* an ipad, optimized for that, then found out their webkit on TP was ... slower. Sep 29 04:43:25 I believe the iPad 2 is dual core 800mhz Sep 29 04:43:30 900mhz Sep 29 04:43:37 yeah Sep 29 04:43:43 but i also believe it is dynamically scaled Sep 29 04:43:48 could be Sep 29 04:43:56 though everything is likely to be these days Sep 29 04:44:02 now I need an icon Sep 29 04:44:04 rwatkins: I think the homebrew people should try and do a "custom webkit" rather than custom kernels :\ Sep 29 04:44:05 that was something webOS got with the pre2 I think Sep 29 04:44:12 and webOS 2.x Sep 29 04:44:16 or better support for it Sep 29 04:44:37 webkit, v8, the graphics library .. its not that clear cut. Sep 29 04:45:18 The thing is, did they ever figure out how to push the web pieces to the gpu Sep 29 04:45:37 I'm sure if it was a weekend hacking the latest version of webkit to recompile to webOS 3, HP would have done it already. Sep 29 04:46:13 It'd be a big jump to go to latest Sep 29 04:46:24 Though its heavily integrated with the kernel isnt it, so it would require major effort Sep 29 04:48:28 Kernel, no. Just a lot of breakage if going to a more current version Sep 29 04:55:02 woot 250dollar playbooks Sep 29 04:57:30 I don't mind if it's a little slow, but there's a couple of critical bugs that need fixing (eg: handling of 403/401's) Sep 29 04:59:07 i care if its slow. was the number one complaint of my app when running on the pre3. Sep 29 04:59:27 2.2 webkit slow for some enyo stuff, 3.0 webkit fairly fast Sep 29 04:59:51 slow is a serious complaint these days Sep 29 05:01:03 and given the speed of devices these days, UI should be instant - only data should take time Sep 29 05:01:29 oh, every generation adds anotehr level of abstraction to keep it slow Sep 29 05:02:08 Maybe webOS just eeds Kal-El 5 core chips Sep 29 05:02:28 and then we get things like auto spelling while you type or whatever the fancy cpu sucking thing is we'll find necessary. Sep 29 05:03:37 but thats what the 5th core is 4 Sep 29 05:04:53 DB8 has decent speed for one thing at a time - Just Type bogs it down, though, with multiple requests Sep 29 05:05:22 too bad the UI moves items out from under your touch Sep 29 05:08:11 if there was a row for each kind of result, new results wouldn't move items out from under your touch Sep 29 05:10:00 * DougReeder waves goodnight Sep 29 05:10:48 ew, nasty icon Sep 29 05:10:51 * Freman tries again Sep 29 05:13:49 iPhone was 60fps smooth running on whatever junk in 2007 Sep 29 05:15:01 well, the only thing that's 60fps smooth now is iOS and WP7 Sep 29 05:15:28 yeah what the deal Sep 29 05:15:38 i'm on a nexus s and it's only like that 80% of the time Sep 29 05:15:50 imma bouta flippa table Sep 29 05:16:13 I missed you torchie.... Where have you been for so long now... Sep 29 05:16:20 oh on a nexus s Sep 29 05:16:25 :) Sep 29 05:16:28 lol Sep 29 05:16:31 it's like being under a rock! Sep 29 05:17:03 Nah, its like being in civilization with 50 million other users that cant stand how sucktastic android is Sep 29 05:17:13 lol Sep 29 05:17:17 while we are under rocks Sep 29 05:17:52 I love how not long after i get a nexus android just gets shat on repeatedly Sep 29 05:18:07 what do you mean> Sep 29 05:18:10 ? Sep 29 05:18:23 motorola acquisition, microsoft patens, apple injunction, no honeycomb source, kindle fire, baidu OS Sep 29 05:18:38 it feels like the party's about to be over Sep 29 05:18:49 like every time I go to a mobile platform it's right before it dies Sep 29 05:19:20 wonder if that means everyone will suddenly ditch iOS if I switch to an iPhone 6 Sep 29 05:19:25 nah it wont... but it may start to look different, the host of the party(google) can only stand on its head doing a 3 story funnel at the keggar for so long Sep 29 05:20:45 well if google didn't have its heart set on cramming 40 people into one 4 bed 4 bath student apartment and serving them all busch Sep 29 05:21:14 and instead decided to get a few friends on the porch with a couple dark bottles of sam smith imperial stout Sep 29 05:21:32 maybe some premium cigars Sep 29 05:21:36 busch? ... lol, try stone, key stone, its cold like kieth stone Sep 29 05:21:40 oh god Sep 29 05:21:41 COORS Sep 29 05:21:46 cool crisp taste of the rockies Sep 29 05:21:51 nah coors is much better than stone Sep 29 05:21:53 key stone Sep 29 05:21:55 never had keystone Sep 29 05:21:56 coors light.... Sep 29 05:22:00 you know what I'm scared of Sep 29 05:22:02 big flats Sep 29 05:22:04 oy Sep 29 05:22:15 like I can't imagine anything getting worse than busch Sep 29 05:22:42 i guess I don't have a good imagination Sep 29 05:23:29 I wonder how many active users G+ actually has out of the 50 million who saw the New+ at the top of their gbar and clicked into it Sep 29 05:23:47 man I don't wanna ruin the air's uptime but I also want a software update Sep 29 05:23:57 well since G+ opened up to everyone Sep 29 05:24:02 I got two friend requests Sep 29 05:24:27 lol Sep 29 05:24:42 I can friend request you, whats your facebook Sep 29 05:24:44 ;) Sep 29 05:27:01 I do wonder, what Mattais Duart is actually doing for android... the UI seems to not be getting better Sep 29 05:27:13 I dont really think he has much say Sep 29 05:28:21 this is epic Sep 29 05:28:22 http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/disney-launches-two-new-android-smartphones-mouse-ears-not-incl/ Sep 29 05:28:41 like wtf Sep 29 05:29:28 japanese market. it will sell more than iphones. Sep 29 06:42:35 mighty quiet here tonight Sep 29 07:00:49 tonight it is omring Sep 29 14:39:51 help! need pre3 diag mode driver Sep 29 14:45:58 * Hendikins got his first sample of LTE performance a few hours ago... seriously impressed. Sep 29 14:48:56 LTE is the tech that makes GPS stop working, right? Sep 29 14:49:21 Wait, what? Sep 29 14:49:39 My LTE modem supposedly has a GPS in it. Sep 29 14:51:03 It isn't the technology that matters, it is the frequency. GSM on 1800MHz doesn't interfere with GPS, and nor does LTE on that frequency. Sep 29 14:51:50 Was getting 41.5/13 megabits in the Sydney CBD 3 hours ago. Sep 29 15:11:54 apparently the frequencies aren't an issue anymore for the deployed lte network. except for the gps devices used by the US farming industry, but screw those guys. Sep 29 15:17:48 it's just LightSquared's network Sep 29 15:24:02 I don't feel like I use that much bandwidth regularly. There's a point where loading a webpage faster isn't noticable Sep 29 15:24:28 I would _maybe_ use more bandwidth for streaming/etc., except there's a cap on all the LTE networks in the US Sep 29 15:35:51 today I finally get to open my personal TouchPad and Pre3, yay! Sep 29 15:36:08 finally Sep 29 15:36:10 bastid. Sep 29 15:36:34 I got them last week, but we had to go to a funeral so I left them here for happier times when I got back Sep 29 15:36:44 :( Sep 29 15:39:18 sugardave: when do we get to have personal pre3s? Sep 29 15:40:22 summatusmentis: well, what you do is stalk someone who has one and wait for them to put it down... Sep 29 15:40:50 * summatusmentis googles sugardave's house Sep 29 15:40:52 oooo, it's a 4G TouchPad Sep 29 15:42:02 o.O Sep 29 15:42:03 anyone know a way to compile a single kernel module? Sep 29 15:42:15 summatusmentis: the only problem trying to stalk me is that: a> I don't put mine down and b> I have many decoy devices on my desk Sep 29 15:42:16 with the source, no? Sep 29 15:42:43 sugardave: touche sir Sep 29 15:43:07 sugardave, you need boobytraps Sep 29 15:43:27 Touch a decoy and get maced Sep 29 15:43:31 haha Sep 29 15:44:15 touch another, get tazed Sep 29 15:49:08 tap to taze Sep 29 15:50:51 guh! I want T2S on my veer Sep 29 15:51:22 I'd care more if T2S did more than share a URL Sep 29 15:51:51 but, that being said, that *is* why I picked up a firesale veer Sep 29 15:52:41 except it's not turned on in the veers yet Sep 29 15:52:44 is it? Sep 29 15:52:47 correct Sep 29 15:53:42 and I say yet, but it might mean "ever" Sep 29 15:55:00 yep Sep 29 15:55:16 :-/ Sep 29 15:55:20 sugardave: make it happen plz Sep 29 16:03:38 does anyone know where you go to change your developer username? Sep 29 16:19:33 anybody? Sep 29 16:22:00 riskish2: not sure you can...send an email to pdc@palm.com Sep 29 16:43:40 sugardave: i'm guessing at&t pre3? Sep 29 16:48:10 do we know if VZW is activating the vzw pre3s that people have? Sep 29 16:52:14 howdy! Sep 29 16:53:19 finally fired up the damned pre3, and actually, the TP background (or a scaled down version of it) actually looks good on the thing :) too bad they don't have a transparent top-bar, i like that feature, and realized late it was on the TP Sep 29 16:53:29 summatusmentis: from what i've found out, no Sep 29 16:53:47 my friend was trying to get me a verizon pre3, and he said verizon wouldn't activate it Sep 29 16:54:29 I would absolutely believe that Sep 29 16:54:34 which bites Sep 29 16:54:46 so, if I ever want a pre3, I should get an AT&T one Sep 29 16:54:53 HattCzech_work: but was he running 2.2.3? Sep 29 16:54:58 oh ignore my last stmt Sep 29 16:55:08 HattCzech_work: I've heard conflicting reports Sep 29 16:55:21 that would be cool if they did... Sep 29 16:55:24 s/heard/heard+read/ Sep 29 16:55:28 and i want a verizon pre3 Sep 29 16:55:38 my friend was only able to get an at&t one :/ Sep 29 16:55:52 Some people definitely weren't able to, and some (as I read in the forums, so nobody i know) were.. Sep 29 16:56:30 why the hell do you need your network to permit you to use your phone on their network? craziness Sep 29 16:57:10 according to wikipedia verizon is the biggest cell phone company, but strange that the attPre3 is everywhere.. i guess the GSM-ness.. Sep 29 16:57:48 some report of some woman at palm w/ 6 att pre3s (locked) she was going to send to family in india.. (i think it's stupid to have/buy a phone for the US when you're not there, but! what do i know..) Sep 29 17:00:34 directhex: CDMA providers have a DB of ESNs for phones that they allow on their network Sep 29 17:01:19 summatusmentis, how extraordinarily douchebaggy of them. CDMA has no SIMs, right? just manacled devices? Sep 29 17:01:29 This is what an uncongested LTE network can do. Damn! http://www.speedtest.net/result/1507742866.png Sep 29 17:01:44 directhex: pretty much. welcome to the US cell market Sep 29 17:02:05 directhex: the verizon pre3 has a SIM. ALL verizon 4g devices have SIMs Sep 29 17:02:27 s/4g/LTE (or "&")/ Sep 29 17:02:31 but that's only for the LTE portion right? Sep 29 17:02:59 summatusmentis: good question.. can you swap from one LTE device to another ONLY with a SIM card switch.. hrmm.. would be great if it was! Sep 29 17:03:10 i'm thinking of a word. it starts with "c" and ends with "lusterfuck". can you guess what it is? Sep 29 17:03:29 got me! Sep 29 17:03:40 bleh Sep 29 17:03:47 damn you and your impossible riddles ;^) Sep 29 17:03:51 app wasn't approve dbecause I had "webos" in my username, and now i don't know how to change it Sep 29 17:04:18 ajay: I assume VZW is still being VZW, and doesn't let you use it that way Sep 29 17:05:03 summatusmentis: you're holding it wrong! Sep 29 17:05:07 oh wait that's steve jobs :) Sep 29 17:05:28 to be fair, there were plenty of people having no issues with their iphone4s Sep 29 17:05:46 riskish2: I heard if you have pre or other words in the name it's similarly rejected, pre is a silly one tho Sep 29 17:06:00 mine was weboshacker Sep 29 17:07:53 just tell them it's web'O'Shacker :) Sep 29 17:08:23 com.riskish2.web'o'shacker Sep 29 17:08:58 haha Sep 29 17:09:02 riskish2: heh.. seriously tho.. you can of course change the appid in appinfo.json.. wait did you get that far tho? Sep 29 17:09:30 we.bo.shack.er Sep 29 17:09:31 i have to change my username not just the appid Sep 29 17:09:53 oh you're username not the app name?! oh my! Sep 29 17:10:08 yea Sep 29 17:10:13 sorry i misread :) eek! Sep 29 17:10:28 i see how you have a difficult problem then.. time for some heavy spamming of palm employees.. Sep 29 17:10:45 * ajay he says, as he's waited OVER a month for the bug in the app portal to be corrected so he can submit an update :( Sep 29 17:11:15 * ajay is too shy to spam :( (alas, those squeaky wheels have all the luck!) Sep 29 17:11:29 * ajay talked to some dev that got 12 pre3s by being a squeaky wheel.. :( Sep 29 17:11:44 (actually, not that squeaky, just 1 encounter) Sep 29 17:11:48 ajay: can they get more? Sep 29 17:11:52 haha Sep 29 17:12:07 i should be able to get an at&t one, but i'd really like a verizon one Sep 29 17:12:22 HattCzech_work: word on that.. i got an at&t one by mistake, i need a vz one Sep 29 17:12:44 there seem to be very few verizone one Sep 29 17:12:44 HattCzech_work: are you local? Sep 29 17:12:49 verizon ones* Sep 29 17:12:57 if austin is local :) Sep 29 17:13:05 no :) Sep 29 17:13:16 local to cali, i'm guessing? Sep 29 17:13:39 to palm Sep 29 17:14:00 i'm not a palm employee, no Sep 29 17:14:11 but i have a friend that works there in cali Sep 29 17:15:48 eek, in trying to figure out if a verizon SIM card is hot-swappable, i read disturbing reports of how non-global the global phone might actually be Sep 29 17:16:10 boo Sep 29 17:16:27 oh, hp, why did you have to screw us all? :( Sep 29 17:20:39 ka6sox: you around? was that a no? Sep 29 17:20:54 HattCzech_work: do you do priv msg'ing on here? Sep 29 17:23:34 * ajay wishes the start screen in chrome wasn't the browser's previous page.. Sep 29 17:24:25 you can change that Sep 29 17:34:31 ajay: there are no SIM cards for CDMA carriers Sep 29 17:35:53 the CDMA in the vzw pre3 should be for the 'world' gsm capability, I suspect Sep 29 17:36:01