**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 04 02:59:57 2011 Oct 04 03:01:38 It'd be cool to have kismet to work on the veer, pocketable wardriving Oct 04 03:02:19 Over half my support e-mails in September were from Pre3 owners, which is astonishing, given the small number released. Is anyone else seeing that odd ratio? Oct 04 03:03:17 Are there any open Wi-Fi networks (aside from public libraries) anymore? Oct 04 03:04:31 Yeah, lotssss Oct 04 03:04:48 McD, Starbucks, Fedex Office, schools... Oct 04 03:05:05 got a bit of Pre3 feedback the last couple weeks, though I dont get enough mail for statistical analysis. Oct 04 03:05:23 If one could backport current b43 it could be possible to have monitor mode on the veer Oct 04 03:05:54 What chipset is used on the Pre 3? Oct 04 03:10:43 the DX4-100 Oct 04 03:12:32 heh Oct 04 03:18:07 ugh, the app catalog is screwey.. showing duplicate apps all over Oct 04 03:19:56 then i hit news by accident, went back to "All Categories" and got a completely different list Oct 04 03:24:44 they're busy mixing things up in prep for the next pivot Oct 04 03:25:03 Lets hope the App Catalog staff didn't loose too many people since August. Oct 04 03:25:20 I dont think thats possible - its like .. 3? Oct 04 03:27:57 Now its down to one guy and a his pet rock Oct 04 03:28:24 My app went in Thursday, came out Today. thats totally reasonable. Oct 04 03:28:52 Two business days? Can't complain about that. Oct 04 03:29:42 heh i subb'd an app two fridays ago and it's still "ready for review." in all seriousness though i wouldn't be surprised if 'leodarts' got rejected Oct 04 03:30:39 "Delivers value to the User" is so subjective. Oct 04 03:37:09 "This app does nothing" meets that criteria - it is an educative tool for people who don't read the descriptions Oct 04 03:37:26 That's in the catalog? Oct 04 03:43:04 * dwc- didn't see the "i am rich" app so submits it Oct 04 03:43:42 just put my broken in set of skullcandy earbuds into my touchpad and loaded google music beta with the browser Oct 04 03:43:54 value: shows your friends you're a crazy rich person with a palm device still Oct 04 03:44:16 sounds really good Oct 04 03:44:19 omg this app does nothing Oct 04 03:44:39 I think the webOS app catalog has plenty of crappy one use apps. could really use more 'real' apps. Oct 04 03:44:43 like tapwave zodiac legendary good Oct 04 03:45:47 rwatkins, that's a chicken and the egg situation. webOS' future needs to be decided first Oct 04 03:46:05 seeing "sounds good" and skullcandy being mentioned together scares me Oct 04 03:46:28 write an app, or dont write an app based on your comfort of webOS future. Oct 04 03:46:50 if you can find the Hesh ones for cheap (like 20$) they're really not that bad for the cost :p Oct 04 03:46:58 for how cheap they were they don't sound horrific Oct 04 03:47:02 but we really dont need another "phases of the moon" or whatever app Oct 04 03:47:04 write something useful. Oct 04 03:47:17 no kidding and I agree Oct 04 03:47:25 useful or entertaining? Oct 04 03:48:03 I want to pick up a set of lower end grado cans and see how they sound on the touchpad Oct 04 03:48:31 * SineOt uses a pair of Roxy headphones DX Oct 04 03:48:40 how many times you going to open that copy of "stupid cat pictures" even if its slightly entertaining? Oct 04 03:48:41 i got senns hd70's and haven't tried them yet. Oct 04 03:48:49 i actually don't even like them Oct 04 03:49:05 I open that stupid nyancat app sometimes Oct 04 03:49:09 i really hate the phone emulator Oct 04 03:49:26 lol why do you have them then? Oct 04 03:49:28 write a good ebook reader, an interface to amazon cloud player, something .. useful. Oct 04 03:50:00 preader isn't decent? Oct 04 03:50:14 an rdio app, or spotify for the touchpad .. something non-crap. Oct 04 03:50:39 sure. preader. anything else? maybe one in Enyo? Oct 04 03:50:57 maybe one without 47billion options in preferences? Oct 04 03:50:59 Sheesh, still more problems with the app scanner: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=18501 Oct 04 03:51:17 an interface into amazon cloud player = browser? Oct 04 03:51:23 rwatkins: totally agree, on the apps. Oct 04 03:51:35 seretogis: sure, and pandora? or twitter? or .. ? Oct 04 03:51:36 the browsers WebKit base needs work Oct 04 03:51:50 pandora is also html5 compliant now Oct 04 03:52:07 and we dont need an office suite because we have Google docs, right? Oct 04 03:52:10 but yeah I get the point ;p Oct 04 03:52:16 or an email client! we have gmail! Oct 04 03:52:23 I use google apps <_< Oct 04 03:52:27 oops? >_> Oct 04 03:52:28 lol Oct 04 03:53:29 listening to daft punks discovery album right now. something about us always makes me a touch misty eyed Oct 04 03:53:53 You want to get misty eyed watch Interstella 555 >:/ Oct 04 03:54:04 I have Oct 04 03:54:17 that's why I get misty eyed Oct 04 03:56:25 did you see the cover on theremin? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkp9bDGDd1w Oct 04 04:03:01 pretty boss using a Nintendo ds , a synth and therein :-) Oct 04 04:03:19 *theremin Oct 04 04:03:35 silly webOS autocorrect Oct 04 04:03:42 i was thinking maybe an app that indexes your media so justtype can find it Oct 04 04:03:55 and then i was thinking "maybe there's a good reason why just type doesn't already search your media" Oct 04 04:05:08 lol Oct 04 04:05:18 system slowdowns? Oct 04 04:05:38 I'd like a google+ client Oct 04 04:05:40 i was considering that maybe just type really isn't good with a lot of data Oct 04 04:06:04 g+ api is read-only and limited to 1000 queries so a g+ client isn't really feasible atm Oct 04 04:06:36 i've got like 900 people on my g+ .. the only thing that ever happens on it is Wil Wheaton Oct 04 04:06:39 ewww.... that's really sad for API access Oct 04 04:07:05 1000 queries per what Oct 04 04:07:12 lol, I'm just tired of Facebook's telling everyone what they want Oct 04 04:07:51 google+ is like facebook at its beginning Oct 04 04:08:08 except it doesn't involve a whole lot of college kids getting laid Oct 04 04:08:17 1000 queries/day Oct 04 04:08:40 I do some android dev work and google+ huddles are amazing for coordinating stuff Oct 04 04:08:53 and 5 requests/second/user Oct 04 04:09:57 google plus is like a more useful Twitter only with way less 'I woke up and had to per' posts Oct 04 04:10:08 *pee Oct 04 04:10:35 or "guess what I had for breakfast" or "starbucks TOTALLY screwed up my latte!" Oct 04 04:10:45 lol Oct 04 04:11:22 fyi starbucks totally screwed up my shaken iced tea lemonade :[ Oct 04 04:11:42 how? Oct 04 04:12:04 well it should have been a black unsweetened iced tea lemonade with light ice, but they sweetened it :[ Oct 04 04:12:15 fail Oct 04 04:12:33 if I had a twitter account I'd totally have tweeted it Oct 04 04:12:35 that's not that weird of a request Oct 04 04:13:10 but... don't you have a twitter account? Oct 04 04:14:25 I never touch it, just have it to reserve the name :P Oct 04 04:14:42 the grooveshark phone app now works well on touchpad Oct 04 04:14:52 just activated the demo Oct 04 04:15:28 I'm bummed there's no MOG client for webOS :/ Oct 04 04:15:42 mog? Oct 04 04:16:00 another on demand music service Oct 04 04:16:15 contradude: i started it and my touchpad rebooted Oct 04 04:27:49 omfg, where are the splashtop people? their tech support just responded to one of my requests with barely legible english, and never even answered the problem, only the symptom of the problem Oct 04 04:28:03 16gb is back "out of stock" at $220 Oct 04 04:29:23 lol Oct 04 04:31:51 if the 16g is 220 and the 32g is 250, who would even buy a 16g Oct 04 04:43:41 $30 is $30 Oct 04 04:49:49 hey all Oct 04 04:50:16 lies Oct 04 04:50:42 * DougReeder waves to PatrickC Oct 04 04:50:53 hey DougReeder! Oct 04 04:50:58 how's it going? Oct 04 04:51:09 As usual. Oct 04 04:51:24 lol Oct 04 05:16:30 * DougReeder waves goodnight Oct 04 05:20:10 blurgh still trying to sell my uk pre3 :[ Oct 04 05:23:34 what you tryin to figure out seretogis? Oct 04 05:25:10 PatrickC: trying to sell off my UK Pre 3. down to $250 now ;p Oct 04 05:36:58 hi eighthree Oct 04 05:37:15 hi wrea Oct 04 05:38:01 how goes it? Oct 04 05:43:23 my pre 3 and touchpad aren't working nicely.. Oct 04 05:43:34 its paired up.. but touchpad won't receive sms :| Oct 04 05:43:41 anyone know how to troubleshoot this? Oct 04 05:43:47 No idea! :< Oct 04 05:44:05 Wishing that I knew more about BlueZ right now though Oct 04 05:44:07 you getting the same deal sine? Oct 04 05:44:11 whats tat Oct 04 05:44:29 nah, it's an open source bluetooth stack Oct 04 05:44:42 but from my understanding, it supports MAP which is what the Touchpad uses for the SMS syncing Oct 04 05:45:04 there had been work on getting BlueZ running on older devices, but I haven't looked to see what it had really done in terms of progress Oct 04 05:46:04 what deal? Oct 04 05:46:33 eighthree: my TP/pre3 pairing works nice Oct 04 05:46:44 have you gotten TTS to work? ajay and I had trouble with two touchpads Oct 04 05:46:50 dwc-: touchpad doesn't receive sms .. can send though Oct 04 05:46:54 T2S Oct 04 05:47:34 T2S works no problem Oct 04 06:13:03 woo Oct 04 06:17:53 impersonation... Oct 04 06:17:56 ooh daunting D: Oct 04 06:18:06 ? Oct 04 06:22:33 was thinking of just impersonating my ATT Pre 3 to a UK one Oct 04 06:22:41 ah Oct 04 06:22:48 but noticed that UK == 2.2.2 Oct 04 06:22:50 vs. 2.2.3 Oct 04 06:22:59 whats the list of changes for that version o_o Oct 04 06:23:07 haha... changelog. Oct 04 06:23:09 you wish Oct 04 06:23:14 lol Oct 04 06:23:26 eighthree: UK is actually 2.2.0 I believe Oct 04 06:23:34 I mean, why would they start now? Oct 04 06:23:37 or 2.2.0 ^ Oct 04 06:23:49 dwc-: :( Oct 04 06:24:11 its such a joy not knowing why the sms dealio isn't working.. Oct 04 06:25:23 the least it could do is spit out an appropriate error. Oct 04 06:28:52 rwhitby: if i impersonate my ATT pre 3 into a UK Pre 3 - would it get re-locked again if I decide to hop back the ATT wagon? Oct 04 06:29:20 carrier locking is orthogonal to the webOS Doctor Oct 04 06:29:51 ahh Oct 04 06:29:54 had to look that word up Oct 04 06:30:00 Vocabulary GET! ;D Oct 04 06:47:02 I've popped my Git[hub] cherry. Oct 04 06:47:15 someone get me a towel Oct 04 06:48:49 * eighthree gives you towel … oh :O Oct 04 06:48:53 blah… Oct 04 06:49:01 even having doctored the device clean.. Oct 04 06:49:09 SMS thing still doesn't work :| Oct 04 06:49:10 :( Oct 04 09:32:40 if I take my Touchpad off the wireless charging stand, fully charged, at about 11pm, and then leave it until the morning (turned on, but with the screen off), is it supposed to be complaining that the battery is about dead by 9am? Oct 04 09:33:02 and I just finally remembered to put it back on charge now, at 1030am, and it was completely dead Oct 04 09:33:44 and displays the "battery with lightning symbol and red line" picture (which appears to mean "battery too low to boot") when I place it on the cradle Oct 04 09:35:02 Hazel|work: no, with screen off it can go on days Oct 04 09:35:16 hmm Oct 04 09:35:26 I've only had it a month or so Oct 04 09:35:31 :( Oct 04 09:35:37 of course if you have some service / app that is doind some polling from time to time it can't go sleep Oct 04 09:35:50 maybe it's that preware "uberkernel"? that's the only "mod" I've applied Oct 04 09:35:57 hmm Oct 04 09:36:29 sconix: I have the Facebook Tablet app installed, and the email client is configured with my email accounts Oct 04 09:36:39 it should not be but anything from failed installation of something etc can be the cause, if you can not find it easily then doctoring might be good thing Oct 04 09:37:25 sconix: as in, try restoring it to standard configuration (over USB using the "WebOS Doctor" program/image), and see if it still has the same battery life issues? Oct 04 09:37:39 would I be wise to put it into Airplane Mode at night? Oct 04 09:37:48 yes, if you can not find the problem otherwise Oct 04 09:37:52 or should I just get into a habit of charging it at night instead of during the day? Oct 04 09:38:06 first you should try just rebootin then charging and see if it eats the battery after that Oct 04 09:38:27 at least I don't put it in airplane mode, it hardly uses battery at all when screen off Oct 04 09:38:27 btw, does the wireless charging work when it is not booted? I presume so? Oct 04 09:38:50 sconix: do you have the facebook app installed and configured with a facebook account? do you have email accounts configured? Oct 04 09:38:53 when put it charging it will always start the device doesn't it Oct 04 09:39:04 email accounts yes, facebook app no Oct 04 09:39:23 sconix: yes, although currently it is displaying the "battery with red line" icon, and will presumably boot when it has enough charge to do so? Oct 04 09:39:33 yes Oct 04 09:40:24 is there a program that analyses battery usage/wakeups, like on android? Oct 04 09:41:38 don't know, at least there is dr battery that shows of the health of the battery not sure if it works on TP, then you can of course see the battery current from govnah that if its unnormally high then you know its doing something in the background Oct 04 09:42:55 of course that does not tell the whole story since you can not see the situation when screen is off Oct 04 09:44:04 hmmm Oct 04 09:44:19 I shall consider this all once it boots Oct 04 09:44:24 I should go do some actual work now Oct 04 09:44:25 heh Oct 04 09:44:31 :) Oct 04 09:47:48 btw Oct 04 09:47:55 is the HP wireless keyboard good? Oct 04 09:48:07 do I want to use theirs, or use a generic bluetooth keyboard? Oct 04 09:48:34 its my first bluetooth keyboard... but i like it Oct 04 10:26:12 Hazel|work: it has special keys :) Oct 04 10:29:40 hello Oct 04 10:30:01 is somebody here i can talk to about drivers for the hp touchpad Oct 04 10:30:59 my goal is to take ubuntu drivers for a umts-stick and port it to webos 3.0 is this possible Oct 04 10:34:56 depends whether you can port them to the correct kernel version Oct 04 10:37:46 these drivers work on ubuntu so it should be possible to port them right? Oct 04 10:39:47 i mean the source shuld be available so all i have to do is sompile them or am i wrong? Oct 04 10:39:47 as he said, depends on the kernel version, webos 3 and (the latest) ubuntu doesnt use the same kernel version Oct 04 10:40:17 which kernel version does webos 3 use? Oct 04 10:40:19 yep, all you have to do is compile them, assuming the kernel API in that area hasn't changed Oct 04 10:40:48 OEM: that's probably something you should have researched by now if you're going to attempt this ... Oct 04 10:41:16 (2.6.35 BTW) Oct 04 10:41:41 if these drivers work for the kernel version webos 3 uses there should be no problem compiling them for webos 3 or am i missing something? Oct 04 10:42:22 have you compiled kernel modules for an embedded device before? Oct 04 10:42:31 no thats the problem Oct 04 10:42:48 have you compiled kernel modules for a desktop system before? Oct 04 10:42:52 yes Oct 04 10:43:00 have you cross compiled anything before? Oct 04 10:43:13 yes for android Oct 04 10:43:20 for the htc hd2 Oct 04 10:43:36 did you do it, or did you just run something that did it for you? Oct 04 10:44:08 no i did it using a toolchain which was provided Oct 04 10:44:17 and a repository Oct 04 10:44:18 sounds like you're all set then. Oct 04 10:44:49 how do i import kernel modules in webos 3 Oct 04 10:44:51 you can find examples of building external kernel modules in the uberkernel build Oct 04 10:46:18 do i get this right i have to compile the whole kernel to make this module work? Oct 04 10:48:29 i assume the driver on its own wont help me a lot since i need an app which connects to umts network. does such an app exist i doubt that. do you guys know something Oct 04 11:33:32 rwhitby: you're on here like 24/7 :O is there ever night time in adelaide xD Oct 04 11:43:04 eighthree: it's called IRC as in "Idle Responseless Chat" :) Oct 04 12:07:05 hey guys!! There's a new fart app in the store!! Oct 04 12:14:33 and 4 new calculators Oct 04 12:18:45 hi EricBlade :D Oct 04 12:53:24 is there any patch or third party app to change the cloud lock screen.. Oct 04 12:53:31 :/ Oct 04 13:15:42 next task - make an app that disables the lock screen based on where I am - cos I don't want to lock at home - I know there's a pre app for it but 3.0 not supported Oct 04 13:17:20 Freman: MS 3.x is coming though :) Oct 04 13:28:32 Freman: i have a tray button that i wrote for disabling lock, i use it when i'm developing, or when i am working, and i use the touchpad to run video while i'm working Oct 04 13:29:04 it merely toggles the lock-timer between whatever it was defaulted to and 1-day Oct 04 13:29:28 simple app, i wish i could put it in the catalog Oct 04 13:30:28 i'd submit it for preware, but right now, if you close it, it will leave your lock timer jacked, which is not good, and i doubt there's any way around it Oct 04 13:40:26 EricBlade, ping Oct 04 13:40:55 EricBlade, are you connected to power when you are developing? Oct 04 13:41:15 EricBlade, cause you can just run this instead Oct 04 13:41:16 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.display/control/setProperty '{"onWhenConnected":true}' Oct 04 14:00:49 yay, i get my pre3 today... boo, i can't use my pre3 until i switch to at&t Oct 04 14:23:33 any node people awake? Oct 04 14:25:11 HattCzech_work: there's always tmobile! Oct 04 14:25:22 (or prepaid) Oct 04 14:25:29 dwc-: ever been to MSP? Oct 04 14:25:54 the airport? the city? no. Oct 04 14:26:13 either Oct 04 14:26:20 if not, nevermind Oct 04 14:26:25 that's a bit of an odd question Oct 04 14:26:27 was wondering what your experience w/ t-mobile is Oct 04 14:26:30 here Oct 04 14:27:00 but no, I've never had to go to that part of the world Oct 04 14:27:00 dwc-: valid point, prepaid might work Oct 04 14:27:09 guh Oct 04 14:27:40 we've talked about me and tmobile before, but sorry, can't tell you how it is in minneapolis Oct 04 14:28:22 we have, that's why I singled you out Oct 04 14:28:42 there's NO good mechanism for telling what "real coverage" is like Oct 04 14:29:02 and I don't find the carriers "paint the whole thing FUSCHIA" mode useful Oct 04 14:29:36 I've a friend who goes to MSP to visit friends occasionally, but she has AT&T Oct 04 14:32:41 it's not a big deal Oct 04 14:32:57 I just don't feel like I have a good way of gauging if T-mob is worth my time Oct 04 14:41:02 isn't prepaid a good way? Oct 04 14:41:18 it's the best way Oct 04 14:41:22 but it costs money Oct 04 14:41:50 are they CDMA? Oct 04 14:42:18 prepaid GSM shouldnt cost that much money... get a sim card on the cheap and get a plan similar to what you'd get anyway Oct 04 14:42:19 t-mobile? no Oct 04 14:42:31 well, that's the thing Oct 04 14:43:14 I'm not willing to give up my sprint service if t-mob turns out to be non-usable Oct 04 14:43:26 yeah ok.. so at least a month of double cost Oct 04 14:43:29 right Oct 04 14:43:36 and as a grad student, that's sort of a big deal :) Oct 04 14:43:51 then get the cheapest GSM plan and use it just to test it :) Oct 04 14:43:58 while still using sprint Oct 04 14:46:49 that's sort of what I'm planning on doing Oct 04 14:46:59 i wonder if the charging coils on the touchstone covers can go both ways Oct 04 14:48:01 like you put your pre 2 on top of your touchpad and it gets charged Oct 04 14:51:05 I doubt it Oct 04 14:51:14 that would potentially be dangerous Oct 04 16:06:28 hey Oct 04 16:06:33 erg Oct 04 16:06:38 this cab needs to get here Oct 04 16:06:47 how is your car status? Oct 04 16:06:54 did you sell your sub? Oct 04 16:07:05 well, I tried to limp it to the dealership a while ago, but it died on me Oct 04 16:07:10 wwww Oct 04 16:07:11 * leiru steals dave the sugar. ha! Oct 04 16:07:12 I was able to get back home and call the cab Oct 04 16:07:13 a+ Oct 04 16:07:29 but soon you will have to deal with toyota! Oct 04 16:07:36 * sugardave eyeballs leiru suspiciously. Oct 04 16:07:52 halfhalo: yeah, I hope this goes smoothly Oct 04 16:08:02 * halfhalo has issues with toyota Oct 04 16:08:06 I have the pre-approval from my credit union and I know some things about that car Oct 04 16:08:34 I have the gen before you do, and its a decent enough car Oct 04 16:08:39 Needs awd though Oct 04 16:08:41 I think I'll do the "we're busy people" routine Oct 04 16:09:01 halfhalo: I think this one is 4wd Oct 04 16:09:09 hybrids are Oct 04 16:09:25 it's supposed to be the limited package but my wife said a VIN lookup last night said "base" Oct 04 16:09:31 but the picture I saw is the limited Oct 04 16:09:31 plus, should be mated with the bigger engine than the non-v6 regular Oct 04 16:09:35 yeah Oct 04 16:09:46 the only problems they have are a faulty inverter Oct 04 16:09:51 in certain VIN ranges Oct 04 16:09:59 I have a 03 v6 limited Oct 04 16:10:09 which this one is, but I"m hoping they already did the recall on it Oct 04 16:10:29 sugardave: what model is it? Oct 04 16:10:30 3L v6 plus the stupid 4 gear transmission Oct 04 16:10:42 hotdp: it's a 2006 Highlander Hybrid Oct 04 16:11:01 oki :) Oct 04 16:11:07 we won't be saving the world with green-ness, but it's a LOT better than the suburban :D Oct 04 16:11:07 is hybrid stable? when its old? Oct 04 16:11:42 hotdp: we'll find out, I guess :) Consumer reviews are really pretty good except for this inverter problem which apparently Toyota fixes now Oct 04 16:11:47 sugardave the only issue with the non-hybrids I have found is that the v6's like to spin the front wheels Oct 04 16:11:49 hotdp: did you say you're going to senchacon? Oct 04 16:11:53 also: my dealership sucks Oct 04 16:12:01 and there is some "secret warranty" for hybrid engines that's a government thing, so I'm not too worried about it Oct 04 16:13:13 HattCzech_work: yes sir Oct 04 16:13:25 i will also be there Oct 04 16:13:31 wuhu cool Oct 04 16:13:55 what is your twitter or something? Oct 04 16:13:56 i'm a bit confused on how they charge so much for it, but my company is paying for it, so that's cool with me Oct 04 16:14:03 heh Oct 04 16:14:05 me2 Oct 04 16:14:10 priceczech, but i very rarely use it Oct 04 16:14:13 i guess the bbq thing? Oct 04 16:14:45 yeah, maybe... i need to make sure i go to that Oct 04 16:14:53 hehe Oct 04 16:15:02 I always think thoose events costs alot Oct 04 16:15:15 but the contest thing... they charge for that, too... craziness Oct 04 16:15:36 haha i don't go to that Oct 04 16:16:58 since my company is working on something already, we thought the contest might be cool to do... but we'll see once we're there Oct 04 16:21:06 so sugardave, will there be any developer incentives for new touchpads? (will we be able to get them at firesale prices) Oct 04 16:21:13 I have to hit my plane to Denmark Oct 04 16:23:31 I'm not going to be able to use the Pre 3 as my daily driver for very much longer. The random periods of extremely slow/frozen activity are seriously irritating. Oct 04 16:24:04 HattCzech_work: I am pretty clueless about things outside of my fight for survival and this project I'm using to further that fight :) Oct 04 16:24:17 I do know that developer programs are being worked on Oct 04 16:24:47 that's good to hear Oct 04 16:55:21 seretogis: what's your previous model? (just for comparison) Oct 04 17:21:01 haha Oct 04 17:21:08 engadget can not take the pressure! Oct 04 17:21:54 yeah, it died on me :) Oct 04 17:22:18 hehe Oct 04 17:24:05 and it doesn't want to come back up this time Oct 04 17:24:23 Http/1.1 Service Unavailable Oct 04 17:27:16 http://live.gdgt.com/live-apple-iphone-5-event-coverage/ Oct 04 17:27:18 noobs Oct 04 17:39:54 engadget is like breaking Oct 04 17:40:04 NOOBs Oct 04 17:40:06 http://live.gdgt.com/live-apple-iphone-5-event-coverage/ Oct 04 17:40:11 aol fails Oct 04 17:40:13 smooth fast and up to date Oct 04 17:40:15 what is gdgt Oct 04 17:40:19 nah Oct 04 17:40:26 not so good covered! Oct 04 17:40:36 who is ryan block?!? Oct 04 17:40:49 some dude Oct 04 17:41:00 this is my next is also slow Oct 04 17:41:01 :( Oct 04 17:41:07 wow even Joshua Topolski's liveblog Oct 04 17:41:50 thanks for that link dawm_ Oct 04 17:41:58 better than nothign Oct 04 17:42:10 photos arent as good as engadgets but its not a crashed server either Oct 04 17:42:46 (that's because not as many ppl using it) Oct 04 17:43:31 your mom is Oct 04 17:44:38 I want to see the 4chaners dos aol entirely, today would be a good day Oct 04 17:45:12 does anyone know how to hold a liveblog with 90 million connected users? sheesh Oct 04 17:45:19 lol Oct 04 17:46:23 oh, it's apple day again isn't it Oct 04 17:46:34 so I shouldn't expect anyone else to be getting any work done today, huh Oct 04 17:47:19 i minecrafted for a few hours Oct 04 17:47:22 mailed some packages Oct 04 17:48:23 * akanster is alt-tabbing. work, liveblogs, rss feeds and irc :) Oct 04 17:48:50 47" screen is nice for dividing liveblog w/ twitter Oct 04 17:48:54 although i wish it were 4k Oct 04 17:53:13 ugh. Pivot updated. To a "coming soon" screen. Oct 04 17:53:33 fxspec06: amazing twitter post there... Oct 04 17:53:51 lol ty ;) Oct 04 17:53:59 haha Oct 04 17:58:56 amazing... blackberry chose today to email "recieve a blackberry tablet free when you attend our dev con!" Oct 04 17:59:26 Dual-core CPU, 2x as fast at CPU tasks. Also dual-core graphics. Up to 7x faster in the previous iPhone. One area you really see it scream is in games.� Oct 04 17:59:37 4S Oct 04 18:01:04 yer Oct 04 18:01:09 thats nice Oct 04 18:03:41 batterytime seems weak? Oct 04 18:03:50 8hrs? Oct 04 18:04:02 thats talk time not standby Oct 04 18:04:25 they probably hit a ceiling w/ their battery, but 'weak' for them is still better than the rest of the entire industry Oct 04 18:06:01 same size screen yaaa Oct 04 18:07:17 wait, one phone for both CDMA and GSM now? Oct 04 18:07:35 it was the 3g surf time dawm_ Oct 04 18:07:51 Is the VZW Pre3 both CDMA and GSM? Oct 04 18:10:54 this camera is all sorts of win Oct 04 18:11:20 hehe Oct 04 18:11:26 they havent even talked about iphone5 yet Oct 04 18:11:29 but worth upgrading from iphone 4? Oct 04 18:11:37 dawm_ will there be one? :D Oct 04 18:11:53