**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 06 02:59:56 2011
Oct 06 03:00:07 <webOSNewbie> TI 83-10MHZ TI 84 20MHZ
Oct 06 03:00:09 <webOSNewbie> I think
Oct 06 03:00:18 <halfhalo> oh, 20mhz, better, but still crap
Oct 06 03:00:22 <fxspec06> halfhalo: for variables, you get to use the letters a - z
Oct 06 03:00:24 <halfhalo> my WATCH is more powerfull
Oct 06 03:00:29 <halfhalo> fxspec06 I know
Oct 06 03:00:32 <seretogis> 20mhz and it still sells for $80 prolly
Oct 06 03:00:33 <seretogis> :P
Oct 06 03:00:38 <halfhalo> I had an 83, 84, and 84+ se
Oct 06 03:00:39 <fxspec06> oh plus l1 -> l6
Oct 06 03:00:41 <webOSNewbie> You can use theta as a variable
Oct 06 03:00:45 <webOSNewbie> and matrices
Oct 06 03:00:52 <webOSNewbie> and unlimited lists
Oct 06 03:01:00 <fxspec06> yeah and matrices, and unlimited lists. so it's not bad
Oct 06 03:01:02 <halfhalo> OR.... get a real mobile computer.  like a smartphone.
Oct 06 03:01:15 <webOSNewbie> But calculators are allowed in class
Oct 06 03:01:18 <CTLAdvance> hp still sells their financial calculator with the same specs it has had for some time now... :) no real upgrades
Oct 06 03:01:21 <dwc-> TI-82 had ~28 variables, 6 lists, and 6 matrices. but insufficient memory for a 99x99 matrix anyways
Oct 06 03:01:24 <webOSNewbie> I play Block Dude all the time
Oct 06 03:01:34 * halfhalo beat block dude
Oct 06 03:01:34 <dwc-> HP-35 forever? :)
Oct 06 03:01:38 <webOSNewbie> You can make custom lists on a TI
Oct 06 03:01:42 <CTLAdvance> I used to make super mario levels on my 83 back in the day
Oct 06 03:01:43 <fxspec06> calculator games were actually pretty awesome
Oct 06 03:01:46 <halfhalo> and no calculators in my calc class.
Oct 06 03:01:47 <fxspec06> they're a lot of fun
Oct 06 03:02:01 <halfhalo> but phones with wa=win
Oct 06 03:02:15 <fxspec06> there's something about the ti-83 that will always have a spot in my heart
Oct 06 03:02:38 <webOSNewbie> yep
Oct 06 03:02:44 <CTLAdvance> Here is HP's rerelease
Oct 06 03:02:48 <CTLAdvance> KABOOM
Oct 06 03:02:50 <webOSNewbie> My first graphing calculator
Oct 06 03:02:53 <halfhalo> wolframalpha ftw
Oct 06 03:03:12 <CTLAdvance> I love it 20 memory registers
Oct 06 03:03:14 <webOSNewbie> Hard to believe I first saw a TI 83 this summer
Oct 06 03:03:37 <Shadyman1> CTLAdvance: There's even an HP calculator Anniversary Edition now
Oct 06 03:03:43 <webOSNewbie> And now I can beat anybody in my town at programming
Oct 06 03:03:46 <CTLAdvance> thats what I just posted
Oct 06 03:03:48 <Shadyman1> Ah
Oct 06 03:03:51 <fxspec06> 20 memory registers.. hmm
Oct 06 03:03:54 <fxspec06> that would be fun!
Oct 06 03:03:55 <CTLAdvance> same specs it had when it launched 30 years ago
Oct 06 03:03:57 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Oct 06 03:04:04 <Shadyman1> yeah
Oct 06 03:04:10 <webOSNewbie> Can't afford though
Oct 06 03:04:12 <CTLAdvance> still 80 bucks
Oct 06 03:04:19 <webOSNewbie> tried to get parents to get me one
Oct 06 03:04:27 <webOSNewbie> they bought ti instead
Oct 06 03:04:32 * webOSNewbie sobs
Oct 06 03:05:19 <CTLAdvance> Oh good times, I used to write ti basic apps to do math problems and diplay the work, and I also had the teachers memclear app so it wouldnt clear my device
Oct 06 03:05:25 <CanyonMan> dwc-:   _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com: type SRV, class IN
Oct 06 03:05:28 <CTLAdvance> even though it said it did.....
Oct 06 03:05:32 <CanyonMan> that's what wireshark said.  How about that.
Oct 06 03:05:39 <CTLAdvance> though I never used it on tests, I had a backup
Oct 06 03:05:40 <webOSNewbie> Just archive everything, then it won't get erased
Oct 06 03:05:43 <CTLAdvance> couldnt afford to get cought
Oct 06 03:05:48 <CTLAdvance> caught
Oct 06 03:05:51 <CTLAdvance> cought
Oct 06 03:05:52 <CTLAdvance> cat
Oct 06 03:05:53 <CTLAdvance> cot
Oct 06 03:05:55 <CTLAdvance> coot
Oct 06 03:05:57 <CTLAdvance> nm
Oct 06 03:05:57 <webOSNewbie> You can backup calcs on your computer
Oct 06 03:06:07 <CTLAdvance> What fun is that
Oct 06 03:06:13 <CTLAdvance> calc still gets wiped
Oct 06 03:06:17 <CTLAdvance> then you need to restore
Oct 06 03:06:20 <webOSNewbie> Meh
Oct 06 03:06:22 <webOSNewbie> not hard
Oct 06 03:06:30 <CTLAdvance> that requires a computer
Oct 06 03:06:36 <webOSNewbie> If you take out batteries, archive remains
Oct 06 03:06:37 <fxspec06> just group it.
Oct 06 03:06:40 <webOSNewbie> yep
Oct 06 03:06:53 <webOSNewbie> I once wrote a virus
Oct 06 03:07:04 <CTLAdvance> you must not have used the memclear app before have you
Oct 06 03:07:06 <webOSNewbie> I forgot to archive it, so it erased itself
Oct 06 03:07:08 <CTLAdvance> it erases everything
Oct 06 03:07:14 <CTLAdvance> you cant restore anything from device
Oct 06 03:07:15 <fxspec06> webOSNewbie: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/336/33606.html
Oct 06 03:07:30 <fxspec06> almost broke 2,000th rank
Oct 06 03:07:39 <webOSNewbie> cool
Oct 06 03:07:52 <webOSNewbie> 5100KB
Oct 06 03:07:53 <webOSNewbie> lol
Oct 06 03:07:57 <webOSNewbie> I got 1.5MB
Oct 06 03:07:57 <fxspec06> can you play it to see if it works lol i don't have the cable to transfer it.
Oct 06 03:08:10 <CTLAdvance> YES... snake
Oct 06 03:08:11 <webOSNewbie> I'll try and check in tomorrow
Oct 06 03:08:12 <CTLAdvance> I had that
Oct 06 03:08:45 <torchie> what is a virus really
Oct 06 03:08:58 <webOSNewbie> It earases all of your stuff
Oct 06 03:09:00 <CanyonMan> dwc-: i am seeing query responses i guess but they don't look valid
Oct 06 03:09:06 <CanyonMan> which makes me wonder
Oct 06 03:09:11 <webOSNewbie> I'm working on a virus that erases the TI OS
Oct 06 03:09:15 <dwc-> maybe your DNS is just broken then?
Oct 06 03:09:17 <fxspec06> a virus is a file that makes copies of itself without knowledge
Oct 06 03:09:20 <webOSNewbie> making it unusable
Oct 06 03:09:26 <torchie> like if I write a java app with an infinite loop that fills up your solid state within 5 minutes is it a virus
Oct 06 03:09:28 <fxspec06> that's the direct definition of a virus
Oct 06 03:09:29 <torchie> oh ok check it
Oct 06 03:09:29 <CanyonMan> yeah maybe that's what they mean by the dns being broken
Oct 06 03:09:37 <webOSNewbie> I meant something else
Oct 06 03:09:45 <webOSNewbie> I made a way for it to reproduce
Oct 06 03:09:47 <torchie> a java app that infinite loop fills up your drive while creating and executing copies of itself
Oct 06 03:09:50 <torchie> exponentially mofugga
Oct 06 03:09:53 <CanyonMan> it's openwrt on a wrt54gl so the dns proxy is dnsmasq, maybe it can't handle this
Oct 06 03:10:47 <CTLAdvance> mmm... why do it in java... make a binary that calls another binary that can execute another downloaded binary and put it all in a pdf file
Oct 06 03:10:51 <CanyonMan> oh
Oct 06 03:10:52 <CanyonMan> hrm
Oct 06 03:10:56 <CanyonMan> the touchpad runs dnsmasq
Oct 06 03:10:57 <fxspec06> ugh only 341 more downloads and i'll be OVER 9000
Oct 06 03:11:00 <CanyonMan> that's interesting
Oct 06 03:11:08 * webOSNewbie wants Java and Flash for TI
Oct 06 03:11:25 <webOSNewbie> and external ssds
Oct 06 03:11:39 <CTLAdvance> HP needs to step its calculator game up on the touchpad
Oct 06 03:11:48 * halfhalo has shiny ssd in his lappytop
Oct 06 03:11:58 <halfhalo> 256GB of SATA3 goodness....
Oct 06 03:12:02 * CTLAdvance needs a solid state drive
Oct 06 03:12:11 <torchie> well I had to write a java app that wrote some stuff
Oct 06 03:12:20 <torchie> I accidentally made it infinite loop once
Oct 06 03:12:30 <torchie> and I left it there for what, ten seconds before I kill -9ed it
Oct 06 03:12:35 <halfhalo> I did that before.  it was all matrixy
Oct 06 03:12:35 <webOSNewbie> I have a Dell Latitude C610, which probably can't have a SSD
Oct 06 03:12:37 <torchie> I wonder why BBEdit's choking while opening the ouput
Oct 06 03:12:42 <torchie> 1 GB TEXT FILE OH GOD
Oct 06 03:12:43 <CTLAdvance> Windows 8 gave me about 45 minutes of more batter life for some reason on balanced power mode vs 7, I wonder what impact the ssd would make
Oct 06 03:12:53 <CTLAdvance> battery
Oct 06 03:13:01 <torchie> because windows 8 is the jam
Oct 06 03:13:04 <webOSNewbie> I prefer Windows 8 interface on Ubuntu
Oct 06 03:13:08 <CTLAdvance> yes, yes it is
Oct 06 03:13:09 <webOSNewbie> faster
Oct 06 03:13:21 <halfhalo> heh... dell...
Oct 06 03:13:34 <webOSNewbie> Hand-me-down from dad
Oct 06 03:13:38 <torchie> computer store has so many dells
Oct 06 03:13:42 <dwc-> canyonman: "they mean"? who's "they"?
Oct 06 03:13:44 <CTLAdvance> I am looking at getting an intel tab now... since I cant haz Armdozer8
Oct 06 03:13:50 <webOSNewbie> Disintegrated battery
Oct 06 03:13:51 <torchie> but also an alienware m11x <3
Oct 06 03:14:07 <dwc-> I looked at the m11x... didn't like the keyboard much
Oct 06 03:14:07 <halfhalo> awesome notebook right there
Oct 06 03:14:08 <fxspec06> my laptop hasn't moved from its dock in ages
Oct 06 03:14:18 <dwc-> otherwise it would have been mine in a heartbeat
Oct 06 03:14:25 <webOSNewbie> I'm fine with my laptop
Oct 06 03:14:26 <CanyonMan> dwc-: sorry, I should have explained that better.  A number of people complaining that this problem is with certain wireless routers and not others
Oct 06 03:14:56 <webOSNewbie> What stinks is how Ubuntu doesn't fully support the video card
Oct 06 03:15:05 <halfhalo> what card is that
Oct 06 03:15:10 <webOSNewbie> I can't Hibernate, or all goes wierd
Oct 06 03:15:11 <CTLAdvance> Ubuntu doesnt fully support alot of things
Oct 06 03:15:23 <webOSNewbie> I wish I could program those holes
Oct 06 03:15:27 <webOSNewbie> hm..
Oct 06 03:15:32 <webOSNewbie> I'm here for programming
Oct 06 03:15:48 <CanyonMan> holy merde
Oct 06 03:15:49 <CanyonMan> ok
Oct 06 03:15:49 <halfhalo> I'm here for the cookies
Oct 06 03:15:52 * webOSNewbie wonders if chatting on IRC counts as programming
Oct 06 03:15:54 <CanyonMan> here's a bettter solution dwc-
Oct 06 03:16:01 <CTLAdvance> ooo that reminds me, I have an apple pie
Oct 06 03:16:09 <CanyonMan> dwc-: I just hijacked the resolv.conf file to point to 8.8.8.8  ........... and it connects.
Oct 06 03:16:10 <webOSNewbie> Can i have a slice?
Oct 06 03:16:14 <CanyonMan> 8.8.8.8 is the google public dns
Oct 06 03:16:20 * CTLAdvance points webOSNewbie to the answer.... NO
Oct 06 03:16:27 <halfhalo> baZING
Oct 06 03:16:30 * webOSNewbie cries\
Oct 06 03:16:33 <webOSNewbie> nah
Oct 06 03:16:39 <webOSNewbie> I've got mochi
Oct 06 03:16:39 <CTLAdvance> that was to the programming q
Oct 06 03:16:45 <CTLAdvance> You can have a digital slice
Oct 06 03:16:51 <webOSNewbie> MOCHI!!!!!
Oct 06 03:16:55 * CTLAdvance hands webOSNewbie a digital slice of pie
Oct 06 03:17:02 * webOSNewbie eats mochi
Oct 06 03:17:20 <webOSNewbie> My mom is from Taiwan
Oct 06 03:17:28 * CTLAdvance cuts sharp cheeze with pre1
Oct 06 03:17:30 <torchie> [23:11:25] <dwc-> I looked at the m11x... didn't like the keyboard much <-- the design is most definitely absolutely tasteless, overwrought, and excessive
Oct 06 03:17:49 * halfhalo has bacon
Oct 06 03:17:49 <torchie> but at the same time the machine is absolute undeniable empirical evidence
Oct 06 03:17:50 <halfhalo> I WIN
Oct 06 03:17:57 <torchie> that the more lights and stripes you put on something
Oct 06 03:17:59 <torchie> the faster it goes
Oct 06 03:18:03 <webOSNewbie> I have crumbled bacon
Oct 06 03:18:09 <webOSNewbie> I'll go get some
Oct 06 03:18:14 <fxspec06> programming is when you wake up at 9am and stare at the screen without moving but only for the bathroom and pizza until 2am that night when your eyes are crying and you can't see the screen
Oct 06 03:18:21 <fxspec06> so no, talking in IRC isn't programming
Oct 06 03:18:26 <torchie> I wish I could program that hard
Oct 06 03:18:33 <webOSNewbie> wait... enemy extraterrestrial mom guarding kitchen and bacon
Oct 06 03:18:39 <torchie> sadly I have the attention span of a paramecium
Oct 06 03:18:43 <webOSNewbie> Invasion aborted
Oct 06 03:18:43 <halfhalo> lies
Oct 06 03:18:46 <torchie> i'm not even paying attention to what im typing
Oct 06 03:18:50 <torchie> u
Oct 06 03:18:52 <torchie> c
Oct 06 03:18:53 <webOSNewbie> Sa wha?
Oct 06 03:18:53 * halfhalo has a car to get bacon
Oct 06 03:18:57 <CTLAdvance> lol programming is when you dont stiop, you take it with you to the bathroom...
Oct 06 03:19:02 <torchie> f
Oct 06 03:19:04 <torchie> go knights
Oct 06 03:19:08 <fxspec06> lol
Oct 06 03:19:11 <webOSNewbie> calculator is mobile
Oct 06 03:19:17 <CTLAdvance> huh?
Oct 06 03:19:18 <webOSNewbie> just don't drop in toilet
Oct 06 03:19:20 <CTLAdvance> calc is for noobs
Oct 06 03:19:25 <halfhalo> ...
Oct 06 03:19:27 <torchie> the hell is a calculator
Oct 06 03:19:30 <webOSNewbie> calc is for poor noobs
Oct 06 03:19:33 * halfhalo has an abacus
Oct 06 03:19:41 * webOSNewbie wants one
Oct 06 03:19:44 * torchie he uses a computer to program
Oct 06 03:19:45 <CTLAdvance> thats why you have a rolling desk close to the toilet
Oct 06 03:19:48 <CTLAdvance> to get work done sone
Oct 06 03:19:51 * torchie girls laughing.jpeg
Oct 06 03:19:57 <webOSNewbie> um...
Oct 06 03:20:13 * torchie nexus
Oct 06 03:20:17 <torchie> 52 app updates available
Oct 06 03:20:20 <torchie> hm.
Oct 06 03:20:23 * webOSNewbie is devoted to Kratwerk
Oct 06 03:20:29 <webOSNewbie> Kraftwerk
Oct 06 03:20:35 <halfhalo> booo nexus
Oct 06 03:20:42 <CanyonMan> yup. that "fix" survived a reboot.  I'll be an SOB.
Oct 06 03:20:50 <webOSNewbie> SOB?
Oct 06 03:20:57 <CanyonMan> short on boobage
Oct 06 03:20:58 <torchie> nexus s
Oct 06 03:21:02 <webOSNewbie> ?
Oct 06 03:21:03 <torchie> so very muchly not an iphone 4S :(
Oct 06 03:21:16 <CTLAdvance> mmm 4s
Oct 06 03:21:22 <torchie> I'm almost certain ICS won't blow my mind
Oct 06 03:21:23 <CTLAdvance> I need to buy one now in honor of Jobs
Oct 06 03:21:27 <CTLAdvance> to replace my 4
Oct 06 03:21:32 <CTLAdvance> even though I wasnt going to
Oct 06 03:21:33 <webOSNewbie> I just want a phone I can root and dual-boot webOS and Ubuntu
Oct 06 03:21:42 <torchie> (i'm setting my expectations lower so that they can be shattered)
Oct 06 03:21:42 <webOSNewbie> I saw a Linux DS once...
Oct 06 03:22:07 <CTLAdvance> I expect that teh company will begin to compete faster now with new leadership
Oct 06 03:22:11 <CTLAdvance> once the boat gets going
Oct 06 03:22:17 <webOSNewbie> I hope so
Oct 06 03:22:26 <webOSNewbie> My dad works for HP
Oct 06 03:22:26 <CTLAdvance> Tim cook has stated he wants multiple forms ... where is that link
Oct 06 03:22:41 <CTLAdvance> They need a 4 - 4.75" iphone
Oct 06 03:22:47 <torchie> no they dont
Oct 06 03:22:49 <CTLAdvance> and the current form
Oct 06 03:22:53 <CTLAdvance> yes they do
Oct 06 03:22:53 <torchie> is perfect
Oct 06 03:23:18 <CTLAdvance> They need the current model, as I just said, or size
Oct 06 03:23:20 <webOSNewbie> http://www.pomegranatephone.com/
Oct 06 03:23:21 <CTLAdvance> and a larger one
Oct 06 03:23:28 <webOSNewbie> I remember when that was cool
Oct 06 03:23:28 <CTLAdvance> and one in between with a keyboard of some sort
Oct 06 03:23:33 <torchie> oh good lord no
Oct 06 03:23:39 <webOSNewbie> now the NS08 is almost obsolete
Oct 06 03:24:12 <CTLAdvance> Did you see that balmer got a b rating
Oct 06 03:24:18 <torchie> one size. every app maker knows exactly the dimensions to meticulously design for, to the pixel and do the nanometer
Oct 06 03:24:27 <CTLAdvance> If they replace him, maybe MS will get its mojo back
Oct 06 03:24:37 * webOSNewbie laughs
Oct 06 03:24:37 <torchie> also siri replaces hardware keyboards
Oct 06 03:24:43 <CTLAdvance> true
Oct 06 03:24:58 <CTLAdvance> ok forget my keyboard idea
Oct 06 03:25:00 <dwc-> torchie: no, I thought it was that the put the highest powered graphics chipset they could in such a small package and tied it to a cpu that wasn't underpowered
Oct 06 03:25:04 <CTLAdvance> but they still need one with a bigger screen
Oct 06 03:25:06 <dwc-> I don't care about the lights
Oct 06 03:25:08 <SineOt> webOSNewbie: almost obsolete? it never existed to begin with
Oct 06 03:25:19 <webOSNewbie> I mean if it existed
Oct 06 03:25:23 <torchie> and if you don't believe that, because the iphone comes in a single (read:single) form factor, you have a range of detachable and replaceable hardware keyboards
Oct 06 03:25:43 <torchie> that are all guaranteed compatible with the (read: THE) device
Oct 06 03:25:49 * rwhitby is sure there is a #webos-general channel exactly for this type of discussion
Oct 06 03:25:56 <webOSNewbie> They should expand the NS08 coffee maker to mountain dew and other sodas
Oct 06 03:26:11 <CTLAdvance> Torchie - yeah I was looking at a bt slider keyboard case
Oct 06 03:26:16 <CTLAdvance> pretty nice, slim package
Oct 06 03:26:27 <CTLAdvance> So I agree, keyboard is out
Oct 06 03:26:48 <CTLAdvance> I think 4.3 would be a perfect sizd, and keep the 3.5
Oct 06 03:26:57 <CTLAdvance> if they could keep the pixel density up
Oct 06 03:27:00 <torchie> choose one
Oct 06 03:27:02 <torchie> 4.3 or 3.5
Oct 06 03:27:03 <CTLAdvance> which may be stopping them now
Oct 06 03:27:09 <webOSNewbie> What's your favorite browser?
Oct 06 03:27:12 <webOSNewbie> I love Firefox
Oct 06 03:27:20 <CTLAdvance> I would buy a 4.3 IOS device in a heartbeat
Oct 06 03:27:28 <CTLAdvance> like the GS2
Oct 06 03:27:31 <webOSNewbie> I wish the Nano had apps...
Oct 06 03:27:44 <CTLAdvance> who uses firefox anymore
Oct 06 03:27:48 <webOSNewbie> me
Oct 06 03:27:55 <webOSNewbie> What's left?
Oct 06 03:27:55 <torchie> firefox is dead
Oct 06 03:27:55 <CTLAdvance> lol... noobbbioooooob
Oct 06 03:27:59 <torchie> needs more webkit
Oct 06 03:28:02 <webOSNewbie> I hate Chrome
Oct 06 03:28:11 <webOSNewbie> just the memory modification part
Oct 06 03:28:27 <webOSNewbie> All of my machines can hardly multitask with it
Oct 06 03:28:33 <torchie> math homework
Oct 06 03:28:37 <torchie> I need to
Oct 06 03:28:40 <torchie> get out of th ebed
Oct 06 03:28:41 <torchie> and go to
Oct 06 03:28:43 <torchie> a desk
Oct 06 03:28:45 <torchie> but
Oct 06 03:28:46 <webOSNewbie> meh
Oct 06 03:28:48 <torchie> ehhhhhhhhhh.
Oct 06 03:28:55 <PuffTheMagic> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/300135_2474835667441_1148914757_3016369_1943503911_n.jpg
Oct 06 03:28:56 <CTLAdvance> lol firefox often uses hundreds of megs of memory if not gigs
Oct 06 03:29:19 <webOSNewbie> Well, my machines run fine under it
Oct 06 03:29:24 <webOSNewbie> I wonder why
Oct 06 03:29:34 <fxspec06> sales reports are out
Oct 06 03:29:39 <torchie> wolfram alpha
Oct 06 03:29:46 <torchie> solve my life for me
Oct 06 03:30:07 * webOSNewbie loves Wolfram Alpha
Oct 06 03:31:03 <webOSNewbie> Pale Moon is kinda neat
Oct 06 03:31:14 <webOSNewbie> Just doesn't keep up with updates
Oct 06 03:31:28 <torchie> palewhat
Oct 06 03:31:34 <webOSNewbie> Pale Moon
Oct 06 03:31:39 <webOSNewbie> palemoon.org
Oct 06 03:31:59 <CTLAdvance> finally
Oct 06 03:32:04 <CTLAdvance> was wondering about sales
Oct 06 03:33:11 <webOSNewbie> ugh.
Oct 06 03:33:16 * webOSNewbie needs to go to bed
Oct 06 03:34:37 <CTLAdvance> SAWEET
Oct 06 03:34:44 <CTLAdvance> sales report batman
Oct 06 03:34:53 <CTLAdvance> ok need to get this 3.x update done
Oct 06 03:38:08 <CanyonMan> dwc-: I documented what I learned.  http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293047-google-talk-not-logging-touchpad-messaging-3.html#post3194737
Oct 06 03:38:28 <CanyonMan> dwc-: thanks very much for helping me work through this; it would have been much harder without you telling me "run strace, stupid" and "run tcpdump, stupid"
Oct 06 03:38:33 <CanyonMan> not that you said "stupid" :)
Oct 06 03:39:04 <CanyonMan> that and the fact that I didn't realize that anybody actually used SRV records, I mean what the hell, whose idea was that ... terrible!
Oct 06 03:39:30 <dwc-> good to know. glad to hear you learned some new things
Oct 06 03:39:51 <PuffTheMagic> pedophiles are gonna love the new Pivot issue
Oct 06 03:40:02 <PuffTheMagic> 14 yo girls are always a hit
Oct 06 03:40:11 <dwc-> SRV records are not actually a bad thing... no worse than using well-established port numbers
Oct 06 03:40:32 <dwc-> (btw, SIP and active directory uses these records too)
Oct 06 03:40:33 <CanyonMan> yeah.
Oct 06 03:40:44 <ajay> WHAT IS GOING ON
Oct 06 03:40:54 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: you know, I was thinking the same thing when I saw the "coming soon" on that pivot
Oct 06 03:41:05 <ajay> oh ok few, i just came back and saw some scary words.. then i realized we were talking about pivot, phew. agreed
Oct 06 03:41:10 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, yes they will be
Oct 06 03:41:42 <ajay> Funny, I didn't think about it when i saw the image on my touchpad, but when i saw it on PC it totally freaked me out. guess i was too tired last night to notice
Oct 06 03:41:48 <dwc-> ajay: don't worry, we didn't reveal your secret
Oct 06 03:42:06 <CTLAdvance> what that ajay is registered
Oct 06 03:42:19 <ajay> Just to clarify -- if an ATT Veer/Pre3 is unlocked w/ another country's sim, would that cause the app catalog to not be based in the US?
Oct 06 03:42:22 <seretogis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZbvi6Tj6E
Oct 06 03:42:47 <dwc-> ajay: are you unlocking it first?
Oct 06 03:45:47 <ajay> are there any devs in the bay area left w/o a Pre3?
Oct 06 03:46:17 <dwc-> you can also unlock it w/o registering on the network
Oct 06 03:46:34 <dwc-> easy to do when the default data settings for your carrier are wrong ;)
Oct 06 03:49:23 <CTLAdvance> 1 year from now, iphone 5 launch
Oct 06 03:49:32 * ajay uses firefox, chrome and opera
Oct 06 03:49:36 <CTLAdvance> steve jobs walks out on stage.... DONT CALL IT A COME BACK
Oct 06 03:49:53 <wrea> Call it...the second coming
Oct 06 03:50:15 <CTLAdvance> Some of this is crazy
Oct 06 03:50:16 <CTLAdvance> http://www.engadget.com/photos/rip-steve-jobs-apple-store-5th-ave-nyc/#4505151
Oct 06 03:50:24 <ajay> dwc-: My friend is going to use it as a wifi device, but wants to unlock it first, hoping it doesn't screw up his activation country
Oct 06 03:50:37 <ajay> CTLAdvance: ?
Oct 06 03:51:08 <CTLAdvance> reports say people are going out to apple stores because of steve jobs passing.
Oct 06 03:51:18 * ajay didn't know people still read engadget :)
Oct 06 03:51:41 <CTLAdvance> I read many places....
Oct 06 03:52:04 <CTLAdvance> However I dont listen to their podcast... this is my next is far better.
Oct 06 03:52:11 <ajay> i don't read many places :)
Oct 06 03:52:29 <ajay> yeah the JT+crew podcast is too good. I stopped listening to the engadget one when they left, it was like.. eh
Oct 06 03:53:10 <CTLAdvance> yeah well engadget lost its talent,lost its energy
Oct 06 03:53:21 <ajay> gained its aol
Oct 06 03:54:49 <CTLAdvance> I just hope that the fact that one of the ceo's from one of the most powerful companies, couldnt save his own life, and this brings focus back to cancer research...
Oct 06 03:54:50 <ajay> what does it say on the screen if you enter the wrong unlock code?
Oct 06 03:55:08 <ajay> CTLAdvance: don't worry, larry ellison is committed to not dying.
Oct 06 03:55:14 <CTLAdvance> lol
Oct 06 03:55:32 <CTLAdvance> aol... I will huff and puff and po your talent
Oct 06 03:55:56 <torchie> yeah a podcast without topolsky, patel, and miller
Oct 06 03:56:02 <torchie> …better have dediu on it.
Oct 06 03:56:12 <torchie> and engadget fills neither of these prerequisites
Oct 06 03:57:20 <seretogis> I've never really gotten the point of podcasts.
Oct 06 03:57:24 <seretogis> I'd rather read an article. :P
Oct 06 03:57:44 <ajay> anyone know how annoying the veer gets with wrong unlock codes?
Oct 06 03:57:54 <CTLAdvance> podcasts allow you to get your info while you program
Oct 06 03:58:00 <torchie> you can't hear a steve jobs impression in an article
Oct 06 03:58:06 <CTLAdvance> nope
Oct 06 03:58:18 <CTLAdvance> You cant hear a steve cook impression in an article
Oct 06 03:58:23 <CTLAdvance> oops
Oct 06 03:58:25 <CTLAdvance> ...
Oct 06 03:58:27 <torchie> wow awhat does tim cook sound like
Oct 06 03:58:29 <torchie> imma keynote
Oct 06 03:58:29 <seretogis> lul
Oct 06 03:58:31 <torchie> berb
Oct 06 03:58:38 <ajay> seretogis: OMG if you listen to their podcast every aspect of your life will feel transformed/better! :)
Oct 06 03:58:52 <ajay> imma keynote on the next level..
Oct 06 03:58:53 <torchie> also has anyone noticed how insane this year has been
Oct 06 03:59:13 <CTLAdvance> immakeynote enyo moms
Oct 06 03:59:46 <enyo> my documentation sucks.
Oct 06 03:59:50 <enyo> that is all.
Oct 06 03:59:55 <CTLAdvance> lol
Oct 06 04:02:11 <dwc-> ajay: I would suggest an AT&T sim
Oct 06 04:02:43 <ajay> ok think gtg soon
Oct 06 04:02:53 <dwc-> there might be a carrier restriction on the skype in the catalog
Oct 06 04:03:13 <dwc-> and this tmo-activated one gets a "no bitch!"
Oct 06 04:03:14 <ajay> dwc-: for.. activation? but if one isn't available, then..
Oct 06 04:03:27 <dwc-> just bypass activation then
Oct 06 04:03:29 <ajay> dwc-: it doesn't show up for you?
Oct 06 04:03:36 <ajay> dwc-: but what about the profile?
Oct 06 04:03:45 <ajay> impostah and spoof everything?
Oct 06 04:03:48 <dwc-> oh, but they still want apps and stuff?
Oct 06 04:03:53 <dwc-> I don't know what impostah does wrt carrier
Oct 06 04:04:16 <dwc-> and yes, it does not show up, and a direct link gives a "not available on your carrier"
Oct 06 04:04:52 <ajay> dwc-: ya.. so that means you didn't use an ATT SIM, or does it mean that when the att sim is not in, it doesn't show skype?
Oct 06 04:06:25 <dwc-> it has only had a tmo sim.
Oct 06 04:06:30 <dwc-> no att sim
Oct 06 04:06:45 <dwc-> dbashizi in this thread seems to have tried that (unclear on his exact setup)
Oct 06 04:06:51 <dwc-> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/299966-skype-now-downloadable.html
Oct 06 04:08:41 <ajay> dwc-: so.. maybe there is still a difference between att and other app catalogs?  I wonder if you had activated over wifi what woulda happened..
Oct 06 04:09:47 <dwc-> I don't know
Oct 06 04:09:48 <rwhitby> app catalog contents is indeed dependent on carrier
Oct 06 04:10:50 <dwc-> stored in device profile serverside at first use?
Oct 06 04:10:53 <ajay> rwhitby: does that mean use impostah to activate, or do you need to have an att sim in to see certain apps?
Oct 06 04:11:12 <ajay> I thought appcat got untied from carrier once unlocked pre2s started being sold.. alas! :(
Oct 06 04:11:33 <rwhitby> nope
Oct 06 04:11:53 <rwhitby> dwc-: yes
Oct 06 04:12:40 <ajay> does impostah spoof carrier too then?
Oct 06 04:13:48 <dwc-> http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/impostah/commit/?id=ac77744b98000db6ff8f957d24861e4489ef253a
Oct 06 04:14:06 <dwc-> looks like it might hardcode one carrier per country?
Oct 06 04:14:07 * ajay doesn't understand everyone's obsession with URLs.. gah! :)
Oct 06 04:14:44 <wrea> ajay, then get off the internet :P
Oct 06 04:15:02 <ajay> wrea: what's an internet?
Oct 06 04:15:04 <Shadyman1> Anyone working on an app for the weekly challenge?
Oct 06 04:15:13 <Shadyman1> ajay: Whatever you just won 3 of.
Oct 06 04:15:22 <ajay> i won something?!
Oct 06 04:15:23 <ajay> wow!!!
Oct 06 04:15:41 <seretogis> hmm.. are the red/green buttons used in some apps fancy kinds, or just styled custombuttons?
Oct 06 04:15:51 <dwc-> I thought those were pre3s, not internets
Oct 06 04:15:59 <ajay> wrea: I'm specifically referring to how people dump URLs in this channel (And twitter, etc) w/o any context. sheesh
Oct 06 04:16:10 <Shadyman1> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/10/weekly-app-hack-october-5-11/
Oct 06 04:16:16 <dwc-> I described it afterwards!
Oct 06 04:16:49 <ajay> dwc-: I commented before that came thru :)  I don't see a reference to US carrier in that URL tho.
Oct 06 04:17:32 <dwc-> hmm, good point...
Oct 06 04:18:29 <ajay> so.. if someone has an at&t sim card in, with wifi profile loaded, they could potentially activate over wifi with the at&t being recognized, and be good to go w/o costing anyone data.. and when the pre3 wasn't looking, swap sims
Oct 06 04:18:31 <ajay> ?
Oct 06 04:19:00 <Shadyman1> or just enter devmode?
Oct 06 04:19:04 * Shadyman1 headscratches.
Oct 06 04:19:07 <ajay> (might have to cover up that front camera to make sure it doesn't see.. oh no, maybe the back one actually..)
Oct 06 04:19:19 <dwc-> ok I don't think I know anymore then
Oct 06 04:19:22 <ajay> Shadyman1: from our conversation it doesn't sound like that will be enough
Oct 06 04:19:38 <Shadyman1> ah
Oct 06 04:19:40 <Shadyman1> hm.
Oct 06 04:20:06 <ajay> rwhitby teased us w/ info confirming that, but never answered my "how to solve the problem" type q's.. hrmm.. ;^)
Oct 06 04:20:21 <Shadyman1> oh. I see.
Oct 06 04:20:29 <Shadyman1> Getting trolled by rwhitby ;)
Oct 06 04:20:45 <wrea> hey Shadyman1
Oct 06 04:20:46 <seretogis> figured out the button color stuff ;p  just className: "enyo-button-negative" / affirmative
Oct 06 04:20:53 <dwc-> mcc/mnc is mobile country and mobile network codes
Oct 06 04:21:19 <dwc-> but you are right, I don't see what it does for US
Oct 06 04:23:02 <ajay> Shadyman1: funny thing is, i remember one time when chuq was in here and called him a troll, little did i know.. ;^)
Oct 06 04:23:28 <ajay> dwc-: what say you, we'll just corner him on wednesday!
Oct 06 04:26:07 <dwc-> I might not be able to make it, we'll see
Oct 06 04:26:22 <dwc-> it sounds like the answer to my question is "someone needs to delete the device profile on the appcat server"
Oct 06 04:26:46 <rwhitby> that's never a good answer to be faced with
Oct 06 04:27:12 <dwc-> my skimming of the source thinks impostah won't set overrides, so I'm not sure what it will set for mcc/mnc
Oct 06 04:27:20 <dwc-> (for US)
Oct 06 04:27:41 <rwhitby> dwc-: for US, it will use whatever sim you have inserted, or nothing if you have no sim inserted
Oct 06 04:28:56 <dwc-> ok, so based on that, ajay, it sounds like you shouldn't activate without either modifying impostah to set AT&T and doing it over wifi, or borrow an AT&T sim and be done with it
Oct 06 04:29:05 <ajay> rwhitby: does nothing mean no appcat? that'd be scary
Oct 06 04:29:13 <rwhitby> nothing means wifi
Oct 06 04:29:14 <ajay> (for no sim)
Oct 06 04:29:27 <dwc-> no sim will get you appcat access
Oct 06 04:29:50 <rwhitby> why do you want AT&T for the carrier?
Oct 06 04:29:52 <dwc-> my (locked) veer has that, and it shows me paid apps
Oct 06 04:29:55 <ajay> no sim (wifi) appcat access == Tmo appcat access?
Oct 06 04:30:19 <rwhitby> I doubt there is a Tmo settings.  Just a lack of AT&T setting.
Oct 06 04:30:30 <dwc-> rwhitby: there's a pre3 here, that was activated on tmo, and it can't find skype in the catalog
Oct 06 04:30:50 <dwc-> appredirect/? links give "not available on your carrier"
Oct 06 04:30:52 <rwhitby> can impostah access it using the appid?
Oct 06 04:30:58 <dwc-> impostah appid says "package not found"
Oct 06 04:31:23 <dwc-> or application not found or something along those lines
Oct 06 04:31:26 <rwhitby> what does it say on palm.com/palmprofile for that device/profile?
Oct 06 04:32:02 <dwc-> (at&t pre3, just for background)
Oct 06 04:32:27 <ajay> dwc-: so what are you going to do? try to get palm to delete you (sounds unlikelyful) or try to exchange pre3s?  you need to find one of those dozens of pre3s that are going to india and trade with them :)
Oct 06 04:32:48 <dwc-> rwhitby: what fields are you looking for?
Oct 06 04:32:53 <ajay> dwc-: I'd really appreciate if you just said "fauxG pre3" (I kid :)
Oct 06 04:33:11 <Xuzzers> Is swapping the keyboard on a Pre 3 possible/easy/documented?
Oct 06 04:33:28 <dwc-> devicename is blank, model is Manta ATT (ATT), product is blank, OS Version is 2.2.3
Oct 06 04:33:47 <ajay> palm.com/palmprofile? omg such an easy url, and i never knew. nice!
Oct 06 04:34:01 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 06 04:34:12 <PatrickC> dwc-: you got a pre3? :)
Oct 06 04:34:27 <dwc-> palm.com/profile is even shorter
Oct 06 04:34:29 <PatrickC> who here is sad about the news?
Oct 06 04:34:30 <ajay> PatrickC: so do you! :)
Oct 06 04:34:39 <PatrickC> mebe :)
Oct 06 04:34:43 <ajay> PatrickC: I'm very sad about dwc's lack of skype access
Oct 06 04:34:50 <PatrickC> wha?? why?
Oct 06 04:34:51 <dwc-> PatrickC: there is a pre3 that I have done some stuff to
Oct 06 04:35:00 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 06 04:35:06 <ajay> dwc-: should you keep that private maybe?
Oct 06 04:35:19 <PatrickC> what private?
Oct 06 04:35:19 <PatrickC> no
Oct 06 04:35:23 <PatrickC> share! :P
Oct 06 04:35:25 <dwc-> maybe it's mine, maybe it isn't
Oct 06 04:35:29 <ajay> esp if it involves the new pivot. keep it very private (I jest!)
Oct 06 04:36:02 * ajay is going to try giving up on jokes for a minute :)
Oct 06 04:36:25 <PatrickC> haha
Oct 06 04:37:17 <rwhitby> dwc-: should be getting AT&T catalog then
Oct 06 04:37:45 <rwhitby> Xuzzers: possible, not simple.
Oct 06 04:38:10 <PatrickC> dwc-: I have an AT&T pre3 sitting in my hand now. what app you looking for?
Oct 06 04:38:20 * Shadyman1 ponders... You can change your name on a webOS account but not your country.
Oct 06 04:38:33 <dwc-> rwhitby: ah well... this is a fun puzzle
Oct 06 04:38:40 <Xuzzers> rwhitby: Hm. I have an AZERTY EU one and want to trade with an EU person I know with an AT&T one, but they don't want AZERTY. (Can you unlock an AT&T one?)
Oct 06 04:39:04 <rwhitby> you can unlock an AT&T one
Oct 06 04:39:17 <dwc-> PatrickC: skype
Oct 06 04:39:31 <halfhalo> the real question is... can you unlock a vzw one...
Oct 06 04:39:34 <PatrickC> hmm.. and it isn't in the catalog?
Oct 06 04:39:39 <PatrickC> can you use impostah?
Oct 06 04:39:49 <dwc-> scroll up to about 9 minutes ago
Oct 06 04:39:58 <rwhitby> halfhalo: it's being tested as we speak
Oct 06 04:40:08 <PatrickC> dwc-: just saw
Oct 06 04:40:11 <PatrickC> hrmm...
Oct 06 04:40:12 <ajay> halfhalo: i'm trying..
Oct 06 04:40:14 <dwc-> halfhalo: isn't it more, can you register one to use it on verizon?
Oct 06 04:40:14 <ajay> too
Oct 06 04:40:21 <ajay> dwc-: yes
Oct 06 04:40:24 <halfhalo> sweet.
Oct 06 04:40:38 <dwc-> I was able to install the ROW skype ipk (fun fact, different md5 than the identically named ipk in the vzw doctor)
Oct 06 04:40:46 <halfhalo> dwc- I don't have verizon.  I just like to be different.
Oct 06 04:41:17 <rwhitby> I hope to have one of each by the end of next week.
Oct 06 04:41:54 <halfhalo> I have an att one in the mail, which is nice.  Didn't think that was going to happen.
Oct 06 04:42:09 <Shadyman1> Where are all these AT&t ones coming from?
Oct 06 04:42:12 * Shadyman1 looks around.
Oct 06 04:42:29 <dwc-> look on CL and ebay and take a guess
Oct 06 04:42:42 <rwhitby> and PreCentral marketplace forum
Oct 06 04:42:52 <dwc-> but don't tell patrickc, I don't think he's figured it out yet ;)
Oct 06 04:43:04 <PatrickC> hmm?
Oct 06 04:43:05 <PatrickC> :)
Oct 06 04:43:07 <ajay> dwc-: i think md5s changed even from vz build 1217 to 1218, if i'm not mistaken. was weird.
Oct 06 04:43:09 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 06 04:43:09 <ajay> (For ALL files)
Oct 06 04:43:15 * PatrickC just might have one in his hand :)
Oct 06 04:43:27 <rwhitby> md5sums will change on any file which has a build number increment
Oct 06 04:43:49 <rwhitby> PatrickC: a pre 3 in the hand is worth three on my desk
Oct 06 04:44:24 <PatrickC> rwhitby: I saw all those pre3/batteries on twitter... where did you get batteries??
Oct 06 04:44:25 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 06 04:44:34 * scoutcamper might have 2 on his desk and 1 in his hand
Oct 06 04:44:35 <ajay> batteries?!  that's what i've been wondering about!!
Oct 06 04:44:47 <dwc-> there's pre3 batteries on the palm eurostore
Oct 06 04:44:51 <dwc-> for like 30GBP
Oct 06 04:44:57 <ajay> ich
Oct 06 04:45:02 <halfhalo> orly
Oct 06 04:45:10 <dwc-> for that price, you might as well find a $75 pre3 and take the battery out ;)
Oct 06 04:45:16 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 06 04:45:17 <ajay> someone told me he could get me them for $20
Oct 06 04:45:31 <ajay> dwc-: yeah exactly.. (rolls eyes)
Oct 06 04:45:45 <dwc-> but you know, that'd mean finding one of those in the first place
Oct 06 04:47:23 <dwc-> didn't see any ebay/amazon sellers selling the correct type of BP4 packs
Oct 06 04:47:23 <ajay> dwc-: I heard you had to lock yourself in a car to get a pre3
Oct 06 04:47:44 * ajay needs a bot to define bp4 for him :(
Oct 06 04:47:51 <dwc-> only on hot days > 100F
Oct 06 04:47:55 <dwc-> or it doesn't count
Oct 06 04:48:00 <dwc-> and you have to stay in there for an hour without dying
Oct 06 04:48:07 <ajay> dwc-: what was different about them?
Oct 06 04:48:13 <PatrickC> I'll turn the car on
Oct 06 04:48:17 <ajay> dwc-: if you die you don't get a pre3? bogus
Oct 06 04:48:20 <PatrickC> A.C. will keep me alive :)
Oct 06 04:48:39 <dwc-> look on your pre3 battery, there should be something that says BP4 on it I think
Oct 06 04:49:10 * PatrickC is off to dream-land
Oct 06 04:49:12 <PatrickC> night all
Oct 06 04:49:28 <dwc-> night
Oct 06 04:49:49 <ajay> oops left that verizon sim in the veer and almost forgot, heh
Oct 06 04:50:10 <ajay> dwc-: thanks for asking me to look at the battery!
Oct 06 04:50:48 <dwc-> hmm, hp.com has the HP-FB376AA-AB3 for £ 15
Oct 06 04:50:50 <dwc-> half the price
Oct 06 04:51:48 * ajay finds sim cards+veer=very difficult to do
Oct 06 04:52:48 <dwc-> well... I guess I'll borrow an AT&T sim card tomorrow and see, but maybe I'll have to make it next week and pick some employee's brain or something about the appcat
Oct 06 04:53:44 * ajay is going to cry if can't get this sim card out :(
Oct 06 04:54:25 <dwc-> so what's the deal with the sim card in your vzw pre3?
Oct 06 04:54:42 <dwc-> what carrier is it from, given that it's meant to be used overseas?
Oct 06 04:54:47 <scoutcamper> world vzw phone=vzw sim card
Oct 06 04:55:00 <ajay> dwc-: Vz's partner (or big brother? or owner?) Vodafone
Oct 06 04:55:11 <dwc-> and it's locked to vodafone?
Oct 06 04:55:24 <ajay> dwc-: that's word on the street
Oct 06 04:55:40 <dwc-> ahh
Oct 06 04:56:19 <scoutcamper> ajay, vzw is sopposedly generating me an unlock code for mv vzw pre3, but they havent given it to me yet.
Oct 06 04:56:20 <ajay> i read online that verizon will provide unlock codes for their phones, others doubt that to be true, dunno..
Oct 06 04:56:47 <ajay> dwc-: haha.. lmk if you want me to check for yours
Oct 06 04:57:13 <dwc-> I don't have a verizon phone
Oct 06 04:57:28 <dwc-> I bought one vzw pre2 but that got delivered to its requestor already
Oct 06 04:57:52 <ajay> dwc-: i keep thinking to buy a backup vzw pre2 but can't ever decide, esp since they're never in stock :)
Oct 06 04:58:23 <dwc-> pfft, buy a backup vzw pre3. they're only $800 or something ;)
Oct 06 04:59:34 <ajay> you push the sim card into the veer to have it pop out, right? :(
Oct 06 05:10:41 * ajay wonders if he could drum up interest in a group buy of pre3 batteries.. 
Oct 06 05:12:08 <ajay> (ugh that'd be so much work tho!)
Oct 06 05:12:39 <EricBlade> hmm. this might seem ridiculous, but i dropped my touchpad down to 600mhz just to see what would happen.. and i can't tell the difference
Oct 06 05:13:07 <dwc-> oh, here we go... the vzw skype only has en/us and es
Oct 06 05:13:25 <dwc-> vs the fuller gamut of internationalization
Oct 06 05:13:43 <EricBlade> aside from the general delay that happens every time i start an app gets longer
Oct 06 05:14:13 <dwc-> 600mhz for idle or for max?
Oct 06 05:16:09 <dwc-> there's something inherently simpler about distributing virtual goods
Oct 06 05:23:09 <ajay> dwc-: you booted up a Vz pre?
Oct 06 05:24:17 <dwc-> no
Oct 06 05:24:40 <seretogis> if I am three components deep and need to reference a method of something also three components deep, how do I do so laterally? :/  this.owner.$.secondLevel.thirdLevel.method() doesn't cut it.
Oct 06 05:25:10 <ajay> ok really gtg (hungy) paz..!
Oct 06 05:25:57 <seretogis> if that even makes sense
Oct 06 05:27:36 <EricBlade> dwc: for max
Oct 06 05:27:44 <EricBlade> ok, it does drastically affect the photos app.
Oct 06 05:29:43 <EricBlade> seretogis having things on the same level aware of each other doesn't sound correct
Oct 06 05:31:31 <seretogis> well, I have the app, then a container, and inside of the container lives the 'main screen' and the 'settings screen' - I'd like to be able to call the 'settings screen' from within the 'main screen'
Oct 06 05:32:14 <seretogis> or do I need to have a single-branch tree of app -> container -> main -> settings
Oct 06 05:39:50 <seretogis> hot damn - switching settings to be a component of mainscreen and then throwing the call into "rendered" did it :D
Oct 06 12:50:43 <Hazel|work> Oh, somehow I had gotten the idea that the Touchpads could tell different Touchstone charging stands apart (e.g. by serial number or something), in order to do things like show the Agenda exhibition app by default when you dock at work, and show the Facebook one by default when you dock at home
Oct 06 12:51:01 <Hazel|work> is that true, or am I thinking of something totally different?
Oct 06 12:55:52 <TanKh> I heard that as well
Oct 06 12:55:58 <TanKh> never checked
Oct 06 12:56:26 <TanKh> got one touchstone @work & one @home
Oct 06 13:45:56 <riskish> anyone want a promocode for my fart app?
Oct 06 14:06:00 <Hazel|work> TanKh: I tried to google it, but couldn't find a source that claimed it
Oct 06 14:06:03 <Hazel|work> I'm sure I read it somewhere
Oct 06 14:06:16 <Hazel|work> I suspect I'm just not putting the right words into google
Oct 06 14:13:33 <rwhitby> Hazel|work: that claim was certainly made, and the hardware is there to support it. whether or not the current software version does it? I don't know.
Oct 06 14:13:54 <Hazel|work> Ah, the HP site says "Can activate Touchpad functions that are relevant to the place thanks to Exhibition mode." about the Touchstone
Oct 06 14:13:59 <Hazel|work> rwhitby: ah, I see
Oct 06 14:14:06 <Hazel|work> I haven't unpacked my 2nd Touchstone yet
Oct 06 14:14:24 <Hazel|work> so we shall see if it magically remembers that I last selected "Agenda" on my work touchstone, vs "Facebook" on my home one (for example)
Oct 06 14:14:40 <Hazel|work> I certainly didn't see any obvious "Configure defaults for each touchstone" UI
Oct 06 14:15:48 <Hazel|work> rwhitby: are the technologies behind "wireless charging" and "touch to share" related?
Oct 06 14:16:18 <Hazel|work> some of the press stuff I read seemed to imply that it was related technology
Oct 06 14:23:40 <rwhitby> Hazel|work: yes. both use inductive coils that a concentrically located.
Oct 06 14:23:50 <rwhitby> s/ a / are /
Oct 06 14:24:38 <Hazel|work> which reminds me
Oct 06 14:24:53 <Hazel|work> is there any risk of "weird" side-effects if I stack two touchpads on my desk, re: the coils?
Oct 06 14:25:32 <RagingMind> Hazel|work, they'll try to share to each other
Oct 06 14:25:52 <Hazel|work> RagingMind: I thought that was one way, and only from Pre3 to Touchpad?
Oct 06 14:25:59 <Tommy> Hazel|work: soup
Oct 06 14:26:03 <Hazel|work> or is it just that the software only implements that?
Oct 06 14:26:04 <Tommy> what brings you here
Oct 06 14:26:07 <Hazel|work> Tommy: soup?
Oct 06 14:26:15 <Tommy> soup, like, sup
Oct 06 14:26:18 <Hazel|work> ah
Oct 06 14:26:25 <Hazel|work> you are TommyBres AICMFP?
Oct 06 14:26:32 <Tommy> somethin like that
Oct 06 14:26:47 <Hazel|work> Tommy: cunningly, what brings me here is having obtained two Touchpads
Oct 06 14:26:48 <Tommy> whatever AICMFP means
Oct 06 14:26:54 <Hazel|work> And I Claim My Five Pounds
Oct 06 14:26:54 <Tommy> Hazel|work: i hate you :\
Oct 06 14:27:04 <Tommy> i was desperate to get a touchpad, couldn't
Oct 06 14:27:10 <Hazel|work> what part of the world?
Oct 06 14:27:13 <Tommy> and now for $100 more i feel like i'm getting robbed
Oct 06 14:27:16 <Tommy> well, that's the problem
Oct 06 14:27:27 <Tommy> they went on sale for $99/$149 here for 16/32GB versions
Oct 06 14:27:31 <Tommy> i was in australia when that happened
Oct 06 14:27:35 <Hazel|work> ah, heh
Oct 06 14:27:38 <RagingMind> I've touched to share 2 touchpads... though I only got them to do it once
Oct 06 14:27:45 <Tommy> now they're $199/$249
Oct 06 14:27:57 <Hazel|work> Tommy: on ebay?
Oct 06 14:27:59 <Hazel|work> RagingMind: heh
Oct 06 14:28:09 <Hazel|work> re: that price
Oct 06 14:28:15 <Tommy> Hazel|work: even more expensive, people bought them just to resell
Oct 06 14:28:19 <Hazel|work> Tommy: I got mine from CPW here in the UK
Oct 06 14:28:24 <Hazel|work> and I didn't buy mine to resell
Oct 06 14:28:29 <Hazel|work> I wanted one to use in webOS
Oct 06 14:28:36 <Hazel|work> and the other I'm going to try to play with Android on it
Oct 06 14:28:58 <Hazel|work> once I have some round tuits/cyanogen releases a "rom"/...
Oct 06 14:29:06 <Hazel|work> and then...
Oct 06 14:29:14 <Hazel|work> touchstone in the car + comedy oversized satnav
Oct 06 14:29:15 <Hazel|work> :3
Oct 06 14:29:55 <Tommy> lol
Oct 06 14:34:19 <leiru_web> good morning =)
Oct 06 14:41:46 <Tommy> hey leiru_web
Oct 06 14:43:25 <leiru_web> second day with deranged notebook. got a mail, the $ for the new has arrived at the supplier
Oct 06 14:48:49 <halfhalo> deranged you say...
Oct 06 14:54:07 <sonofskywalker3> anybody got a few minutes to help a noob out with a stupid question?
Oct 06 14:56:26 <summatusmentis> just ask :) People will respond if they can
Oct 06 14:58:25 <sonofskywalker3> ok. well i'm an android developer who picked up a touchpad in the firesale, and i'm really liking webos as a tablet os, and i'd like to start making some webos programs and patches
Oct 06 14:58:41 <sonofskywalker3> i'm trying to start with something i'm a bit familiar with, android
Oct 06 14:58:42 <leiru_web> halfhalo: seems its gfx card went too hot and was damaged permanently
Oct 06 14:59:08 <halfhalo> my C90s just killed its card as well
Oct 06 14:59:17 <sonofskywalker3> there is an ipk that runs android in a chroot enviroment by a guy called chomper, and i've made some changes to the android system.img
Oct 06 14:59:40 <sonofskywalker3> now i don't know how to add my modified system.img back into the ipk file
Oct 06 14:59:58 <sonofskywalker3> is there any way to modify existing ipk's or do you have to decompile and recompile
Oct 06 15:01:22 <sonofskywalker3> i can open or mount it on ubuntu, but it just won't let me replace the files in the ipk archive
Oct 06 15:01:54 <directhex> sonofskywalker3, FYI, due to poor packaging, that package hoses your touchpad
Oct 06 15:02:43 <sonofskywalker3> directhex: thanks for the warning. glad i didn't try installing it before i modified the android part.
Oct 06 15:52:32 <sugardave> RAGE
Oct 06 15:52:58 <wrea> against the machine?
Oct 06 15:53:19 <sugardave> I think I'm going to go with "with" this time
Oct 06 15:53:26 <sugardave> we'll see how that works out
Oct 06 16:20:02 <hotdp> sugardave: the game?
Oct 06 17:01:44 * EricBlade wonders if anyone experiencing sound dropouts is running stock kernel.. i've only ever experienced them since i installed alt kernels
Oct 06 17:02:39 <wrea> I havent noticed any dropouts, but I only have the sound on when playing games
Oct 06 17:02:59 <EricBlade> looks like the whole sound system just dies
Oct 06 17:03:46 <EricBlade> people been complaining about it a lot on precentral, but i'd never seen it, until i decided to overclock.. and now it's happened to me at least once a day
Oct 06 17:04:39 <wrea> pulseaudio?
Oct 06 17:05:25 <sconix> EricBlade: yes its a common problem on stock kernel devices as well
Oct 06 17:05:47 <sconix> its a bug in pulseaudio which they say would be fixed in next webOS update
Oct 06 17:07:28 <EricBlade> i don't recall seeing anyone say anything about the next update
Oct 06 17:07:31 <sconix> you can go on without the problem and it may start to happen at any time, it basically is determined by how much notification sounds you use, since it seems that its most often triggered by sound playing when device is asleep
Oct 06 17:07:58 <sconix> well not directly but HP is aware of the problem so it would be stupid not to fix it
Oct 06 17:09:02 <sconix> at least one can hope that they will fix it already in next update :)
Oct 06 17:11:49 <dwc-> Next webos update?
Oct 06 17:11:58 * dwc- holds breath, passes out, and dies
Oct 06 17:22:39 <wrea> lol
Oct 06 17:38:14 * halfhalo yawns
Oct 06 17:53:07 <dwc-> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ele/2634935436.html
Oct 06 17:53:29 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 06 17:53:29 <dwc-> am I reading that right? someone wants to trade a vzw pre3 and cash for a 3g or 64gb touchpad?
Oct 06 17:53:53 <dwc-> I mean, cash outlay wise it's "fair" but ebay value?
Oct 06 17:53:54 <halfhalo> I think they want a 4g TP, and that it be 64GB
Oct 06 17:54:14 <rwatkins> such a beast not be out there
Oct 06 17:54:51 * halfhalo is just happy to have paid 88 for a pre3
Oct 06 17:55:16 <rwatkins> HP company store?
Oct 06 17:55:59 <halfhalo> ya
Oct 06 17:56:39 <rwatkins> $13 in .. tax?
Oct 06 17:56:45 <halfhalo> shipping
Oct 06 17:56:52 <rwatkins> ah
Oct 06 17:57:24 <dwc-> 75.02 is after tax
Oct 06 17:57:48 <halfhalo> gets here tomorrow.  should be fun
Oct 06 17:58:13 <halfhalo> and I just got my phone data plan to show me h+.  att had the focus recorded as my main phone still
Oct 06 17:58:41 <dwc-> too bad they're Not for Resale (tm)
Oct 06 17:58:47 <rwatkins> I think ATT still thinks i have an iPhone 3GS.  Its been severals things since.
Oct 06 17:59:09 <rwatkins> now a Pre3.
Oct 06 17:59:12 <dwc-> tmobile knows I don't have a razr anymore, but has no idea what, and I couldn't even tell them since it's not in their system
Oct 06 17:59:24 <dwc-> (unlocked pre2)
Oct 06 17:59:44 <halfhalo> ... I have been sitting here charing my veer, and i just noticed the hub is not connected to my laptop :/
Oct 06 18:02:05 <halfhalo> time to preware this veer up
Oct 06 18:02:16 * dwc- wonders whether today will be another free app day
Oct 06 18:03:33 <halfhalo> dunno
Oct 06 18:04:33 <dwc-> Thu 5pm, Thu 2pm, Fri 11a, Thu 2pm for the app news newsletter
Oct 06 18:04:57 <dwc-> so far
Oct 06 18:05:33 <halfhalo> coinkydink i say
Oct 06 18:06:20 <rwatkins> i think not.  Thursday is a good day for that kinda stuff.
Oct 06 18:06:33 <rwatkins> cuz if you break stuff you have friday to fix things.
Oct 06 18:06:42 <rwatkins> best build release days are Tues and Thurs
Oct 06 18:07:17 <dwc-> yea, but this is just a newsletter
Oct 06 18:07:36 <rwatkins> ya, but if they hose the catalog.  but ya.
Oct 06 18:15:57 <infiniteloop> hi guys, is this the right room to discuss enyo and sqlite ?
Oct 06 18:16:05 <infiniteloop> or do I move to #touchpad ?
Oct 06 18:16:54 <rwatkins> this is essentially the dev channel, so yes
Oct 06 18:18:30 <infiniteloop> thanks... I have used mojo to populate a sqlite db, the one drawback was I couldn't use pre-populated sqlite db file. Is this possible in enyo ?
Oct 06 18:18:40 <rwatkins> no
Oct 06 18:19:22 <rwatkins> service infrastructure available to enyo and mojo is essentially the same
Oct 06 18:19:27 <infiniteloop> ah ok ... is there any place to request this feature from hp ?
Oct 06 18:19:56 <rwatkins> dev forums - developer.palm.com. but its already on the list and been discussed to death - since before webos launched.
Oct 06 18:19:58 <infiniteloop> for instance I have a huge db and the workaround I have is to split into series of sql inserts and I run this on the first launch of the app
Oct 06 18:20:16 <infiniteloop> ok, thnx rwatkins
Oct 06 18:20:23 <rwatkins> or write PDK app to do it
Oct 06 18:20:42 <rwatkins> PDK plugin with sqllite lib in it, read you own file, expose it to your app.
Oct 06 18:20:52 <infiniteloop> got it, I'll try that
Oct 06 18:58:23 <NuttyBunny> hey everyone!!
Oct 06 18:58:42 <NuttyBunny> Are the enyo wizards around for a quick question?
Oct 06 19:01:25 <rwatkins> "Do not arouse the wrath of the great and powerful Oz. I said come back tomorrow."
Oct 06 19:01:34 <NuttyBunny> what function is called when I close a enyo app (for cleanup purposes)?
Oct 06 19:01:44 <NuttyBunny> oops
Oct 06 19:01:47 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Oct 06 19:02:38 <rwatkins> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html#enyo.ApplicationEvents
Oct 06 19:04:52 <NuttyBunny> rwatkins: thanks for sending me to the single url that the touchpad browser gets really laggy when visiting :)
Oct 06 19:05:04 <dwc-> anything with flash?
Oct 06 19:05:04 <NuttyBunny> but thanks, I think I'll go with onUnload
Oct 06 19:05:18 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: No, the enyo api reference page
Oct 06 19:06:48 <NuttyBunny> I have to open the chroot and see it in firefox or chromium :P
Oct 06 19:07:53 <dwc-> at least for me, a number of urls make the touchpad browser kinda laggy
Oct 06 19:10:29 <NuttyBunny> argh... they made me come to work, 45 mins in the car, just to say "no, it can't be done, you need another server". BAH
Oct 06 19:44:20 <rwatkins> pretty sad when the API docs for Enyo nearly choke the TP browser.
Oct 06 20:34:34 <Tibfib> I got better sales for september than I expected
Oct 06 20:34:35 <Tibfib> nice
Oct 06 20:40:51 <riskish> anyone want a promo code for fartpad?
Oct 06 20:48:35 <Tibfib> that sounds wonderful
Oct 06 21:12:50 * sugardave makes a fart app that updates the sounds with "I'm a dumbass!" a few hours after initial download.
Oct 06 21:14:05 <wrea> lol
Oct 06 21:14:40 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 06 21:20:04 <dwc-> but but
Oct 06 21:20:14 <dwc-> if it does that, how are you going to pretend that it was your fart app when you *do* fart?
Oct 06 21:46:59 <Meetoman> it's a sad day
Oct 06 21:47:02 <Meetoman> =(
Oct 06 21:47:05 <Meetoman> i miss steve already
Oct 06 21:56:22 <dwc-> ...
Oct 06 21:56:47 <summatusmentis> I mean, he had a big impact, certainly
Oct 06 21:58:11 <Tibfib> Did you interact with steve jobs on a daily basis or what?
Oct 06 22:05:11 <wrea> dwc-, my thoughts exactly
Oct 06 22:07:03 <fxspec06> free apps!
Oct 06 22:07:39 <rwatkins> woot!  showcase!
Oct 06 22:07:52 <fxspec06> !!!!!!!!! yay! and i just got back and plugged it in
Oct 06 22:08:50 <vividboarder> Free apps?
Oct 06 22:08:50 <Tibfib> fxspec06: where?
Oct 06 22:08:53 <dwc-> hello free apps!
Oct 06 22:09:01 <rwatkins> its thursday
Oct 06 22:09:27 <Tibfib> oh yeah
Oct 06 22:09:30 <Tibfib> I never get those emails
Oct 06 22:09:33 <Tibfib> nomnomnom make it?
Oct 06 22:09:48 <vividboarder> So was there a new webos update today?
Oct 06 22:09:54 <dwc-> that's pretty impressive... it got posted to slickdeals less than 2 minutes after the email was sent
Oct 06 22:10:04 <fxspec06> in the email
Oct 06 22:10:27 <fxspec06> errrrr i hope my pad gets done charging enough to boot within next 10 mins
Oct 06 22:10:57 <PatrickC> how come?
Oct 06 22:11:16 <fxspec06> PatrickC: really
Oct 06 22:11:27 <fxspec06> do you really need to ask that question
Oct 06 22:11:34 <PatrickC> people with macs.. is lion really worth the $29?
Oct 06 22:11:41 <PatrickC> yes.. yes i do :P
Oct 06 22:11:45 <PatrickC> u leaving for somewhere?
Oct 06 22:11:54 <fxspec06> re-read what i posted
Oct 06 22:11:58 <fxspec06> think about it for a minute
Oct 06 22:12:15 <fxspec06> re-read it again, then think some more. then if you still don't get it, read it again
Oct 06 22:12:16 <PatrickC> why would it ever take 10 min to get 5% battery?
Oct 06 22:12:22 <vividboarder> <fxspec06> errrrr i hope my pad gets done charging enough to boot within next 10 mins
Oct 06 22:12:24 <vividboarder> ?
Oct 06 22:16:27 <fxspec06> hmm LETS SEE. what facts do we have for this analysis. 1| fxspec06 posted about free apps. 2| dwc- posts that free app codes are on slickdeals. 3| fxspec06 posts that he hopes his touchpad gets done charging enough to boot within 10 minutes. SO, gathering all these little tid-bits of information together, what can we conclude? would anybody like to answer this question? how about you, PatrickC?
Oct 06 22:16:27 <fxspec06> what would you think these statements have in common?
Oct 06 22:16:43 <rwatkins> its the rush to type em in before the tidal wave hits
Oct 06 22:16:45 <dwc-> that there are apps?
Oct 06 22:16:58 <summatusmentis> and that we can find out about them on slickdeals?
Oct 06 22:17:05 <PatrickC> fxspec06: i want in here for any of those
Oct 06 22:17:08 <dwc-> what's slickdeals?
Oct 06 22:17:19 <dwc-> PatrickC_Away is!
Oct 06 22:17:24 * fxspec06 kills himself
Oct 06 22:17:25 <PatrickC> dwc-: i know
Oct 06 22:17:31 <PatrickC> im not on the bouncer right now
Oct 06 22:17:33 <PatrickC> im on webchat
Oct 06 22:17:40 <PatrickC> the PC im on doesnt have a real IRC client on it yet
Oct 06 22:18:02 <rwatkins> ssh ; screen ; irssi
Oct 06 22:18:10 <PatrickC> on windows?
Oct 06 22:18:28 <dwc-> putty
Oct 06 22:18:38 <rwatkins> cygwin
Oct 06 22:19:00 <fxspec06> the correct answer would be: fxspec06 wants free apps before slickdeals gobbles up all the codes so he hopes his touchpad boots
Oct 06 22:19:03 <PatrickC> eh.. a little too much trouble then i wanted
Oct 06 22:19:03 <rwatkins> i install windows, I login, then I install cygwin.  every single time.  for like 15 yrs now.
Oct 06 22:19:15 <dwc-> you have about an hour maybe
Oct 06 22:19:20 <fxspec06> anyone who got that wins 4,000 points
Oct 06 22:19:28 <PatrickC> well.. i g2g.. cya..
Oct 06 22:19:39 <fxspec06> later!
Oct 06 22:19:49 <dwc-> that reminds me, I should put a CC on my 2nd palm profile
Oct 06 22:20:11 <rwatkins> I'll still pretty stoked about the nice "App Showcase" w/ Paper Mache there at the bottom too.  No promo codes for free apps so its a nice thing to toss my way.
Oct 06 22:20:15 <dwc-> oh look, it's g2gPatrickC2D
Oct 06 22:20:15 <PatrickC> dwc-: link to the slickdeals? :)
Oct 06 22:20:24 <dwc-> s/2D//
Oct 06 22:20:34 <PatrickC> switched devices lol
Oct 06 22:20:38 <PatrickC> on the broken pre3
Oct 06 22:20:43 <fxspec06> you didn't have to go
Oct 06 22:20:49 <fxspec06> or announce that you were leaving
Oct 06 22:20:53 <fxspec06> you gave everyone false hope
Oct 06 22:20:53 <PatrickC> I had to get off the computer
Oct 06 22:20:58 <rwatkins> ha
Oct 06 22:21:05 <PatrickC> then I realised my pre3 partially worked haha
Oct 06 22:21:12 <PatrickC> thanks fxspec06... thanks
Oct 06 22:22:09 <dwc-> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3389506
Oct 06 22:22:19 <dwc-> sheesh, you people should just subscribe to the email from HP
Oct 06 22:22:24 <PatrickC> I have
Oct 06 22:24:53 <fxspec06> i wonder if there's supposed to be a theme for these free apps
Oct 06 22:25:18 <fxspec06> and if they're hand picked, or completely random
Oct 06 22:25:39 <rwatkins> I'm sure they're hand picked - to promote certain types of apps or reward some developers.
Oct 06 22:29:38 <sugardave> alright, we're about to take the car on its first long-ish trip
Oct 06 22:31:28 <fxspec06> what car is it?
Oct 06 22:32:11 <sugardave> a 2006 Highlander
Oct 06 22:32:24 <sugardave> it rides pretty nice :D
Oct 06 22:33:08 <fxspec06> ooh it's big-ish
Oct 06 22:33:24 <sugardave> yeah, seats "7"
Oct 06 22:33:26 <sugardave> sure
Oct 06 22:33:35 <sugardave> more like 5 and a couple of tiny people
Oct 06 22:33:42 <sugardave> or those whom you want to punish
Oct 06 22:33:45 <fxspec06> hybrid
Oct 06 22:33:49 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 06 22:33:49 <fxspec06> w/ v6
Oct 06 22:34:05 <sugardave> it's very quick...I was impressed
Oct 06 22:34:13 <fxspec06> not bad! power and efficiency
Oct 06 22:34:34 <fxspec06> did you get the dvd backs for the kids?
Oct 06 22:35:00 <sugardave> no, that's the one thing it doesn't have
Oct 06 22:35:12 <fxspec06> awh. poor kids
Oct 06 22:35:56 <sugardave> well, there's only one and she likes to talk to us (for now)
Oct 06 22:36:06 <sugardave> gotta jet, see you guys later
Oct 06 22:41:16 <PatrickC> wow.. tts is amazing :)
Oct 06 22:41:20 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 06 22:41:32 <PatrickC> palm did something right
Oct 06 22:43:42 <fxspec06> it's alright.
Oct 06 22:43:55 <fxspec06> it would be better if i could use it
Oct 06 22:45:32 <fxspec06> i wonder if it's possible to mod a pre 2 for touch to share
Oct 06 22:45:49 <dwc-> how is it amazing
Oct 06 22:45:52 <dwc-> it transfers a url
Oct 06 22:46:19 <fxspec06> dwc-: shhh
Oct 06 22:46:22 <fxspec06> it's magical
Oct 06 22:48:16 <dwc-> iirc, the pre2 doesn't have the hardware for it. you're probably better off trying to get it to work on a veer?
Oct 06 22:48:46 <fxspec06> i know pre 2 doesn't have hardware for it, but there's got to be some code that triggers the sharing event
Oct 06 22:49:12 <fxspec06> so instead of touch to share, just swipe a menu and hit a button to share.
Oct 06 22:49:38 <fxspec06> i mean, all it does is share a url over bluetooth
Oct 06 22:49:56 <fxspec06> right? is it far more advanced than that?
Oct 06 22:50:00 <dwc-> time to pull out the touchpads/pre3s and play around with it
Oct 06 22:50:04 <dwc-> dunno, haven't looked
Oct 06 22:51:44 <fxspec06> woah found a huge glitch in shopping manager. who is the dev
Oct 06 22:52:33 <rwatkins> how do you enalbe TTS?  I have the TP and Pre and they're now paired ...
Oct 06 22:52:50 <fxspec06> lol found the email. basically tho if u add a wallpaper on the touchpad while in landscape........ well the screen rotates and never un-rotates
Oct 06 22:52:59 <fxspec06> rwatkins: open browser on both
Oct 06 22:53:19 <fxspec06> and go to a link on either and touch. screen should ripple and voiala
Oct 06 22:53:20 <dwc-> vivalv software?
Oct 06 22:54:04 <dwc-> kinda wish it would only be a temp pairing
Oct 06 22:54:52 <dwc-> and that you could share more than a url
Oct 06 22:55:16 <rwatkins> ya not so much.  dunno why. hm
Oct 06 22:56:50 <fxspec06> from my understanding functionality was originally intended to be expanded, but i cannot confirm nor deny these allegations as i do not work for hp
Oct 06 22:57:15 <fxspec06> expanded as in the same way flash was supposed to be expanded to work on the pre / pre +
Oct 06 22:58:02 <fxspec06> =\ no resources means no time to work on those kinds of things.
Oct 06 23:15:09 <CanyonMan> ahhhhh
Oct 06 23:15:17 <CanyonMan> at long last I finally get to experience "exhibition mode"
Oct 06 23:26:20 <halfhalo> omnomnom
Oct 06 23:28:29 <rwhitby> fxspec06: the TTS protocol can support any mime type, but it has been crippled to only allow URLs.
Oct 06 23:30:17 <rwatkins> nice how when you pair your phone and TP, the notification dashboard is still rounded - its assuming its on a phone with a black area behind it.
Oct 06 23:30:27 <rwatkins> for Voicemails
Oct 06 23:30:57 <halfhalo> protip: it gets akwards when your tablet decides to ring in class.
Oct 06 23:37:02 <EricBlade> wow this week's promo codes are running out and it's only been an hour
Oct 06 23:38:15 <dwc-> ... and a half
Oct 06 23:38:32 <dwc-> CanyonMan: can't you just start exhibition mode manually?
Oct 06 23:40:18 <EricBlade> oh good lord lithium news is slow
Oct 06 23:40:40 <akanster> EricBlade: those promos hit slickdeals before I even got the email
Oct 06 23:40:46 <wrea> I downloaded Fliki last night
Oct 06 23:41:34 * dwc- got the email 2 minutes before slickdeals
Oct 06 23:43:12 <akanster> and everyone's set up alert for 'touchpad' so they get pinged right when it goes up
Oct 06 23:43:22 <akanster> alerts*
Oct 06 23:43:28 <dwc-> nah. the slickdeals alerts are slow
Oct 06 23:43:42 <dwc-> I got the alert about half an hour after I got the receipts from palm
Oct 06 23:48:43 <wrea> hey LarrySteeze
Oct 06 23:49:16 <Tibfib> I wonder if anyone out there is not purchasing an app because they think it'll be on sale sometime
Oct 06 23:50:02 <akanster> $99 Touchpad and free apps every week.  Not bad
Oct 06 23:51:24 <dwc-> probably, but they must have some amount of patience to wait
Oct 06 23:51:26 <rwatkins> $599 TouchPad, Discounted to $149, $50 rebate, $50 catalog coupon, weekly free apps.
Oct 06 23:51:29 <rwatkins> not bad.
Oct 06 23:53:34 <fxspec06> not bad at all
Oct 06 23:53:47 <Tibfib> not bad at all for sure
Oct 06 23:54:07 <rwatkins> sell at a loss, make it up in volume.
Oct 06 23:54:37 <akanster> that's still a loss
Oct 06 23:54:48 <Tibfib> yeahhh
Oct 06 23:55:05 <rwatkins> <sarcasm> ... </sarcasm>
Oct 06 23:55:18 <akanster> :)
Oct 06 23:55:19 <Tibfib> OH I GET IT NOW
Oct 06 23:55:25 <Tibfib> ;)
Oct 06 23:55:36 * akanster is slow sometimes
Oct 06 23:57:13 <akanster> but the devs get paid still, right?
Oct 06 23:57:17 <fxspec06> i would purchase a specific app before it was released to support the development of said app, and then purchase it again
Oct 06 23:57:25 <fxspec06> *cough*koto*cough*
Oct 06 23:57:43 <Tibfib> fxspec06: feel free to paypal me some money
Oct 06 23:57:52 <Tibfib> I won't stop you
Oct 06 23:58:27 <rwatkins> yes, app devs get paid.  some $20k last month
Oct 06 23:58:48 <fxspec06> how much to make a difference tib?
Oct 06 23:59:02 <rwatkins> the weekly promo codes are a nice way to say "here $40k .. go spend some money to promote the platform"
Oct 06 23:59:22 <Tibfib> rwatkins: ONLY devs with promo codes got $20k
Oct 06 23:59:23 <dwc-> some got $20k last month (individually)? or to the tune of $20k last month? (as a group)_
Oct 06 23:59:33 <akanster> rwatkins: or hookers and blow.
Oct 06 23:59:37 <Tibfib> dwc-: james harris and inglorious apps got it
Oct 06 23:59:42 <Tibfib> each
Oct 06 23:59:43 <rwatkins> two posted today that they made ~$20 take home for the month
Oct 06 23:59:52 <rwatkins> so .. $40k for two devs.
Oct 07 00:00:00 <Tibfib> all from HP
Oct 07 00:00:01 <akanster> wow, that's great
Oct 07 00:00:14 <rwatkins> ya, I'm sure 98% of that is promo code funded by HP, but still.
Oct 07 00:00:44 <akanster> I hope they remember to pay taxes
Oct 07 00:00:47 <rwatkins> a pretty nice thankyou for sticking with the platform.
Oct 07 00:00:54 <Tibfib> nevertheless I've been pretty happy with non-promo sales
Oct 07 00:01:26 <rwatkins> ya? how have sales been generall?
Oct 07 00:01:34 <Tibfib> pretty goooood
Oct 07 00:01:49 <fxspec06> how many apps you got ?
Oct 07 00:01:55 <Tibfib> just nomnomnom for tp
Oct 07 00:01:58 <rwatkins> only done a free app myself so have no real perspective on paid.
Oct 07 00:02:01 <Tibfib> koto nets me like $50 a month
Oct 07 00:02:11 <akanster> Tibfib: Hyundai good or Audi good?
Oct 07 00:02:13 <fxspec06> hmm that's good for phone.
Oct 07 00:02:13 <akanster> :)
Oct 07 00:02:34 <Tibfib> akanster: hmmm
Oct 07 00:02:39 <Tibfib> I may have overestimated that
Oct 07 00:02:41 <Tibfib> lemme look
Oct 07 00:02:44 <rwatkins> nomnomnom has more reviews than Paper MAche so you goota be doing ok. :)
Oct 07 00:02:45 <akanster> or schwinn good
Oct 07 00:02:54 <Tibfib> hah
Oct 07 00:02:58 <Tibfib> not disclosing numbers
Oct 07 00:04:38 <Tibfib> rwatkins: dang
Oct 07 00:04:41 <Tibfib> I didn't know that
Oct 07 00:04:49 <Tibfib> I haven't read a nomnomnom review in a few weeks
Oct 07 00:04:52 <Tibfib> been pretty happy
Oct 07 00:04:54 <Tibfib> ;)
Oct 07 00:05:33 <CanyonMan> dwc no i bought one a touchstone for the tablet
Oct 07 00:05:57 <Tibfib> I'm loving notifications on mac
Oct 07 00:06:00 <Tibfib> growl is awesome
Oct 07 00:06:13 <Tibfib> and should definitely be integrated into the os
Oct 07 00:06:25 <Tibfib> I'm not a fan of the finder though.
Oct 07 00:06:36 <fxspec06> yes i miss growl
Oct 07 00:06:37 <Tibfib> just not very quick
Oct 07 00:06:48 <fxspec06> spotlight is great, too
Oct 07 00:07:08 <Tibfib> spotlight is awesome yeah
Oct 07 00:07:08 <dwc-> CanyonMan: you can start exhibition mode from the exhibition prefs
Oct 07 00:07:12 <fxspec06> wayyy better than windows search. which has been improved, but still not spotlight level
Oct 07 00:07:17 <CanyonMan> yeah
Oct 07 00:07:28 <fxspec06> and nothing will ever compare to expose =|
Oct 07 00:07:36 <dwc-> alt-tab on windows!
Oct 07 00:07:50 <CanyonMan> so that problem you were helping me with yesterday ....... turns out I found an openwrt init script that I can change to remove one option that makes the problem entirely go away, how about that :D
Oct 07 00:07:53 <fxspec06> that's great but expose is still incredulous
Oct 07 00:08:00 <Tibfib> isn't that a bad thing
Oct 07 00:08:17 <Tibfib> yeah. it is. inline word loookup ftw
Oct 07 00:08:53 <CanyonMan> there's still a bug in imlibpurpletransport, don't get me wrong.  But by having a properly functional nameserver you don't ever see that bug.
Oct 07 00:09:21 <dwc-> I'm not sure that's a bug, but ok :p
Oct 07 00:10:07 <dwc-> so what's the openwrt setting
Oct 07 00:10:33 <CanyonMan> dnsmasq -f  which is a setting that means --filterwin2k or some stupid thing whose effect is block SRV replies
Oct 07 00:11:09 <dwc-> ahahaha....
Oct 07 00:11:51 <CanyonMan> well i shouldn't say 'block' ... it's really "don't proxy them ... but if the router is your nameserver then the effect is the same
Oct 07 00:19:28 <Tibfib> hmmmm… is volume exposed to developers in 3.x?
Oct 07 00:44:45 <Xuzzers> Tibfib: Search up TotalFinder, pretty cool.
Oct 07 00:49:01 <Tibfib> Xuzzers: thanks! dl'ing now
Oct 07 00:49:33 <Xuzzers> cool
Oct 07 00:53:44 <Tibfib> Xuzzers: nice! I like it.. will have to play with it more
Oct 07 00:56:45 <siestacat> high
Oct 07 00:56:56 <siestacat> just installed change user agent
Oct 07 00:57:01 <siestacat> I get an error
Oct 07 00:57:29 <siestacat> "cp : write error no space left on device"
Oct 07 02:59:51 <jaf0> anyone got an example of virtuality using onacquirepage?
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