**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 10 02:59:57 2011 Oct 10 03:08:35 hey all Oct 10 03:08:48 Shadyman: yeah.. that's pretty awesome lol Oct 10 03:19:38 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 10 03:19:54 rrix: what / where is kindleside? Oct 10 03:20:36 destinal: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-homebrew-apps/300145-kindle-import.html The script that prepares Kindle Import mobi files Oct 10 03:21:37 ah nice. when the touchpad came out I was copying mobi's by hand to overwrite azw files in the kindle directory, (like, overwriting the free kindle dracula with whatever) but this is much better it seems Oct 10 03:22:37 Yah Oct 10 03:22:41 it's nice Oct 10 03:25:16 rrix: so the importer adds the entries to the database so the books show up with their proper names, etc? Oct 10 03:29:20 Uh huh Oct 10 03:29:35 And you odn't need a random free book in there for every other one you import :) Oct 10 03:29:39 * rrix has like 400 books his now Oct 10 03:29:49 All the stuff I've accrued over the years Oct 10 03:30:03 I'd been using pReader before this but kindle is nice Oct 10 03:43:36 that importer works great. I haven't paid attention to it too closely to see if they've got page numbers (location numbers actually) working Oct 10 03:56:52 is there a quick way to remote all the HTML markup from an HTML string preserving the text? Oct 10 04:17:11 answering my own question: strip HTML from element but return text: content.replace(/<[^>]*>?/g, '') Oct 10 04:18:45 if it's in the DOM already you can use element.textContent (most of the time) Oct 10 08:07:19 anyone have luck pairing a PS3 controller to the TP? android can do it Oct 10 09:58:24 pairing is only half the battle, since the ps3 controller doesn't behave as a HID Oct 10 13:54:21 hey alll Oct 10 13:57:17 the multi-platform package example checks for "majorVersion < 3" to use mojo. but 2.2 already supports enyo, right?... Oct 10 14:00:01 I believe so? Oct 10 14:00:36 why can't they even get the examples right... Oct 10 14:17:13 stbuehler: 2.2 does support enyo, but it does not run that smoothly, and is missing some components like mediacapture Oct 10 14:17:46 Any one know how I would go about adding, say, a button to bring up the virtual keyboard within an application Oct 10 14:18:21 And have it react with the emulated operating system within the application? Oct 10 14:19:06 enyo.keyboard.forceShow() Oct 10 14:19:15 or it might be enyo.keyboard.forceOpen() Oct 10 14:19:34 i think its enyo.keyboard.TibfibSucks() Oct 10 14:19:44 Ty, tibfib Oct 10 14:25:33 you know what I think I might miss most if I switched to a different phone? Touchstones Oct 10 14:26:12 almost every recent phone has an inductive charger option Oct 10 14:26:30 android phones, anyway Oct 10 14:26:34 yeah, but you have to go third-party Oct 10 14:26:53 krisp: really? Oct 10 14:27:09 and doesn't it usually require a sleeve of some sort to act as the "plug"? Oct 10 14:27:10 yes, you can buy the mat and replacement battery cover through the carrier Oct 10 14:27:21 oh, replacement battery cover Oct 10 14:27:24 I've seen very few phones with inductive charging options myself... Oct 10 14:27:34 verizon was offering the cover for free with purchase of a charge mat a few months ago Oct 10 14:27:39 I've seen basically charger sleeves for the iphone Oct 10 14:27:46 which supports at least a dozen phones Oct 10 14:27:54 Verizon has like _one_ phone that has an inductive battery cover I've noticed.. Oct 10 14:28:00 well, look harder Oct 10 14:28:15 But then again I don't pay attention to Vermizon Oct 10 14:28:39 I steer well clear of them due to their upgrade policies and prices Oct 10 14:29:51 anyway, yes, plenty of options for inductive chargers outside of palm phones, but you will have to spend a little extra Oct 10 14:39:17 PatrickC: yeah, already noticed that mediacapture is missing. so right now you should run enyo apps only on tp, but palm/hp guys still tell us that enyo is the future... Oct 10 14:48:14 oil: enyo.keyboard.TibfibSucks() doesn't work Oct 10 14:50:21 i used enyo.keyboard.blame(oil) and it worked fine Oct 10 15:14:31 gotta admit firefox is really beginning to get on my nerves lately Oct 10 15:17:18 Any reasons why a call to Ajax.Request hangs when I try to get around 150KB of data? It never completes and I have no idea why Oct 10 15:20:25 * halfhalo wants bacon... Oct 10 15:22:31 Ajax.addBacon() Oct 10 15:22:42 that fixes everything 100% of the time Oct 10 15:25:22 var lifeEnergy=new Array(); Oct 10 15:25:26 lifeEnergy.push(lasagne); Oct 10 15:27:18 Dammit no lasagne Oct 10 15:27:33 lifeEnergy.push(pizza); Oct 10 15:27:36 lasagne is not defined Oct 10 15:28:01 console.log(lifeEnergy.lenght) Oct 10 15:28:06 pizza is not defined Oct 10 15:28:08 output: 1 Oct 10 15:28:16 lifeEnergy.push(beer); Oct 10 15:28:44 oh my god.... Oct 10 15:28:57 THERE IS A BURITTO WITH BACON ON CAMPUS Oct 10 15:29:06 lol Oct 10 15:29:13 lol Oct 10 15:29:18 sounds good for your health Oct 10 15:29:38 SCREW MY HEALTH! ITS BACON!!! Oct 10 15:29:57 a bacon burrito?!? i didn't know jesus hid the holy grail on the palm campus Oct 10 15:30:07 and plus, I have so much coke flowing through me its enough to kill everything else Oct 10 15:30:17 and sadly, not @ palm no more Oct 10 15:30:20 back at school Oct 10 15:30:27 for (i=0;i<=5;i++) { lifeEnergy.push(BURITTOWITHBACON[i]}; Oct 10 15:30:52 halfhalo what do you mean with not a palm anymore? Oct 10 15:31:25 my internship at palm ended two months ago. Oct 10 15:32:05 ohh so no more? Oct 10 15:34:41 halfhalo: how was it? Oct 10 15:34:58 twas interesting. and fun. and educational. Oct 10 15:35:28 was it interesting? was it fun? did you learn anything? Oct 10 15:36:08 funnyman.... Oct 10 15:38:52 funny story, i actually didn't mean to hit enter after i typed that Oct 10 16:01:23 moooooooooooooooo Oct 10 16:20:40 good lord, nokia's new dubstep ringtone...... Oct 10 16:20:48 http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/10/10/youre-going-to-love-or-hate-nokias-new-dubstep-ringtone/ Oct 10 16:23:14 and 10 years ago I would have been annoyed constantly by it, now I'll likely never hear it. Oct 10 16:26:25 # I just thought that a sparkling, cool version of the Nokia Tune would attract young customers" Oct 10 16:26:30 I fel old Oct 10 16:26:33 feel* Oct 10 16:28:10 the contest: http://www.audiodraft.com/sourcing/contests/contest.php?id=123 Oct 10 16:28:20 the best is the one by "The Great Marvelous", #206 Oct 10 16:29:02 lol! Oct 10 16:51:00 :/ Oct 10 16:51:19 boom Oct 10 16:53:03 any way to listen for audio ended event w/ enyo.sound Oct 10 16:55:32 look at enyo.sound component and see? Oct 10 17:10:13 hey halfhalo what you been up to? Oct 10 17:10:50 this and that. more that than this though. Oct 10 17:11:06 ah Oct 10 17:12:34 yup Oct 10 17:16:36 * oilsworkn is thinking about buying http://www.amazon.com/Fred-Cool-Shooters-Shot-Glass/dp/B000I1UTNE Oct 10 17:17:19 (for a friend) Oct 10 17:21:34 suuure Oct 10 17:33:53 2 of my 3 bugs so far today - literally typos. big thanks there to crappy error messages. Oct 10 17:34:42 bah, bugs Oct 10 17:34:51 call them features and be done! Oct 10 17:35:10 ph-plugin-fb-connect.js should be pg-plugin-fb-connect.js Oct 10 17:35:30 and com.phonegap.facebook.Connec rather than Connect Oct 10 17:35:44 non-working FB connectivity .. feature? Oct 10 17:36:08 perhaps Oct 10 17:40:45 yes Oct 10 17:41:48 yup Oct 10 17:41:54 my type of feature Oct 10 17:42:49 check "post to Facebook" -> does not post to Facebook. but ya, I get the gist Oct 10 17:45:06 * oilsworkn just moved a ts to his work desk, should have done it long ago Oct 10 17:45:42 indeed. touchstones rock. home desk, work desk, living room shelf. Oct 10 17:46:09 i previously had one just at my home desk, and my nightstand Oct 10 17:47:12 lol Oct 10 17:47:23 I need to shave down one for the pre3 to use at work Oct 10 17:52:38 such a problem "my ts doesnt work with my pre3, waaaa" Oct 10 17:52:38 lol Oct 10 17:53:08 "i need to extend my garage so my boat will fit :(" Oct 10 17:54:26 I haven't really seen the problem. seems to fit and stay on a TS just fine... at least, the ones on desks and such Oct 10 17:54:31 dunno about the ones in cars going around corners Oct 10 17:54:40 "I have to remove all the pinball machines from my living room to make room for the hottub" Oct 10 17:56:32 lol Oct 10 17:57:11 "I had to take out the rooftop pool so my helicopter could land" Oct 10 17:57:23 haha Oct 10 17:57:48 that pool was damn nice as well... Oct 10 18:00:54 it is entirely too easy to order crap from amazon Oct 10 18:01:20 I know Oct 10 18:01:24 oh, I know Oct 10 18:01:44 I need to setup a block so I don't start ordering random crap from there and newegg at 1am Oct 10 18:04:08 lol Oct 10 18:04:22 dont let you go there between 9pm and 9am? Oct 10 18:04:37 off to trial run the new job.. Oct 10 18:05:02 have fun Oct 10 18:07:34 hmm Oct 10 18:07:39 I'm out of soda Oct 10 18:07:45 and amazon prime, that shits just awesome Oct 10 18:08:05 free 2-day shipping and $5 overnight Oct 10 18:08:16 yup Oct 10 18:08:22 its crazy Oct 10 18:08:50 yup Oct 10 18:09:04 sadly the no tax thing ends next year for california :/ Oct 10 18:09:11 that $80 a year is a steal Oct 10 18:09:21 assuming you order a bunch of shit anyways Oct 10 18:09:38 id probably cover that in a few months Oct 10 18:10:15 i dont remember if i have to pay tax at amazon or not Oct 10 18:11:58 lol california Oct 10 19:15:52 no October issue of pivot yet? Oct 10 19:16:34 they're apparently nolonger the "montly" issues, they are "topic" issues. Oct 10 19:16:59 so they can release whenever they get around to it I guess Oct 10 19:18:49 eh guess its to be expected Oct 10 19:30:01 are any of you using prepaid at&t? Oct 10 19:50:44 summatusmentis: no, did once ages back. about to do prepaid VZW. Oct 10 19:53:18 rwatkins: ah Oct 10 19:53:29 I'm wondering about the "gophone" data plans Oct 10 19:53:57 summatusmentis: ah, only used it for voice on ATT Oct 10 19:54:10 noted Oct 10 19:54:30 precentral is reporting that the veer is rumored to be getting 2.2.3 Oct 10 19:54:37 which is making me consider switching Oct 10 19:56:14 nice, so i'd get enyo then. Oct 10 19:56:37 i'd just need my veer then Oct 10 20:01:47 ya and the pre- and pre+ are getting 2.0 too, right? :P Oct 10 20:02:12 (call me a skeptic) Oct 10 20:27:39 summatusmentis: AT&T say you need a smartphone data plan for Veer in addition to the gophone for voice. Oct 10 20:53:19 rwhitby: but is that different from the data plans offered for the gophone? Oct 10 21:00:17 yes Oct 10 21:00:29 those are feature phone data plans Oct 10 21:00:54 at&t seems to think 1's and 0's are different when they go to low end and high end phones Oct 10 21:01:14 ^ Oct 10 21:01:32 they just don't get the whole "GSM" thing ... Oct 10 21:02:08 Most carriers don't. They see things they can charge more money for. Oct 10 21:03:57 rwhitby: Carriers will charge you every penny they can scrape out. Oct 10 21:04:33 SMS is 160 total bytes yet they could cost as much as $.10/pc Oct 10 21:04:51 Telus up here in Canada charges $2.50/MB overage in data. Oct 10 21:04:57 and would you be suprised if an ISP gave you unlimted access on dialup, but limited you if you had a GigEthernet connction? Oct 10 21:05:02 Shadyman: Should be 1G Oct 10 21:05:17 Granted Oct 10 21:05:32 rwatkins: My ISP gives me unlimited DSL and 30 hours of dial up a month, but that's just for outages ;) Oct 10 21:05:48 just sayin. Oct 10 21:05:48 What are these 'outages' of which you speak? Oct 10 21:06:24 rwatkins: Of course not. What could you download if you were downloading 24 hours a day on dialup? 100? 150MB? Oct 10 21:06:29 its pretty darn obvious why the plans for feature phones are diff from smart phones. Oct 10 21:06:49 smartphones tend to use massively more data. Oct 10 21:07:19 no netflix for your motorola razr Oct 10 21:07:22 I want to see if I can sweettalk my carrier into porting over my plan from my feature phone.. it has "Unlimited Mobile Browser", which (coincidentally) is the same name they give the feature for smartphones Oct 10 21:07:35 Smartphones use a ton more data 'idle' than a featurephone would in a given month. Oct 10 21:07:37 Shadyman: carrier? Oct 10 21:07:50 dwc-: Solo/Bell Oct 10 21:07:54 not counting the additional browsing, social media, streaming music/video, apps, etc... Oct 10 21:08:03 was grandfathered in from their original feature phone plan Oct 10 21:08:10 hmm, dunno about them Oct 10 21:08:12 otherwise 'unlimited' is $10/month Oct 10 21:08:30 but I suspect if you have a phone not in their database, it might slide by Oct 10 21:08:36 I was grandfathered on ATT for a long time.. $20/mo for unlimited data and 250sms.. then some enterprising chap at a store decided to "upgrade" my plan for me. Oct 10 21:08:59 e.g. rumored unlocked pre2s etc on at&t Oct 10 21:09:08 the last thing the carriers want to be is in teh business of charging per 1 and 0. would you really want to get into a pure price war over bandwith costs if you were a carrier? Oct 10 21:09:44 Though actually, the only response I could get on their 'phone support' when I asked about how much it would cost per MB was that 'oh, you have unlimited mobile browser' Oct 10 21:10:33 rwhitby: I see, so I'd need one of the real "smartphone" data plans, as well as gophone voice Oct 10 21:10:33 though their overage is listed at $0.15/KB Oct 10 21:11:28 I guess it's worth a shot to find out.. $15 for a SIM card, with $15 credit Oct 10 21:11:56 otherwise I'm paying $10/month for 100MB Oct 10 21:12:44 Guess my only hope is to find a sales rep at the store that isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier to convince that 'unlimited mobile browser 1x' == 'unlimited mobile browser 3G' Oct 10 21:13:14 though from the sounds of their call center, that shouldn't be hard. Oct 10 21:34:57 Wow. Epic troll. http://slashdot.org/story/11/10/10/2029202/why-hp-should-sell-its-pc-business-to-save-it Oct 10 21:39:29 hey all Oct 10 21:40:57 i thought we were done with early access leaks.. guess we werent... there was another one today. :/ Oct 10 21:41:28 Adora is Da bomb (and I would have emailed her to, but didn't have her email :) Oct 10 21:41:30 oh really? Oct 10 21:41:37 yep Oct 10 21:41:48 on Tablet Support Forum. a leak of the 3.0.3 doctor Oct 10 21:41:51 how do I get in on this early access stuff? NDAs and somesuch? Oct 10 21:41:54 Doh. Oct 10 21:42:06 Does it maybe occur to anyone that they're not ready to support it? Oct 10 21:42:09 * Shadyman facepalms. Oct 10 21:42:11 email pdc @ palm -dot- com and ask for access Oct 10 21:42:19 The 3.0.3 doctor will eat your puppies. Don't do it. Oct 10 21:42:22 ^^ Oct 10 21:42:29 Shadyman: no. people think "hey, something new!" Oct 10 21:42:40 PatrickC: pdc being the "Hey, ban me" catchall account? ;) Oct 10 21:42:48 haha no Oct 10 21:42:54 you can ask Adora :) Oct 10 21:43:13 I think they should just release versions with bigger version numbers and nothing else and watch people commone on how its soo much better or worse. Oct 10 21:43:24 haha Oct 10 21:43:25 s/commene/comment/ Oct 10 21:44:14 one version of IE just made the little globe spin faster, and people felt the browser downloaded pages faster. Oct 10 21:44:49 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/10/hp_set_to_decide_future_of_palm_webos_this_week.html :/ Oct 10 21:44:59 really? wow Oct 10 21:45:44 really. this was told to me from a dev manager on the IE team when I worked there. Oct 10 21:45:47 how about they release 3.0.5 with flash 11 Oct 10 21:46:07 rwatkins: you worked on the IE team? or Microsoft? Oct 10 21:46:09 obviously other thigns changed but in that case nothhing to affect download times. Oct 10 21:46:49 at MSFT. On a team where many of the devs had done the IE4/IE5 browser - the app interface, not the Trident rendering engine. Oct 10 21:47:06 heh... trident... Oct 10 21:47:17 * halfhalo wants to see that on webos for kicks Oct 10 21:47:39 apparently there was trident on webOS. It was services before Node. :) Oct 10 21:47:54 fxspec06: what's new in the wild'n update? Oct 10 21:47:58 that doesn't count Oct 10 21:52:37 murrrrdur Oct 10 21:53:23 One does not simply telnet into murrrrdur Oct 10 21:53:32 I do Oct 10 21:55:06 don't be hatin' Oct 10 21:55:06 I use netcat Oct 10 22:07:20 anyone running the latest nomnomnom? any issues? Oct 10 22:12:00 nomnomnom Oct 10 22:12:27 aye Oct 10 22:13:12 * halfhalo omnomnoms nomnomnom Oct 10 22:13:15 Tibfib: I'm still not seeing articls auto-mark-as-read Oct 10 22:13:21 for what? Oct 10 22:13:28 in "card view" Oct 10 22:13:35 okay Oct 10 22:13:38 I'll check that out Oct 10 22:13:50 but I can't find any patterns for it Oct 10 22:13:59 I think you're making crap up Oct 10 22:13:59 except "it happens" Oct 10 22:14:05 err did I type that out Oct 10 22:14:09 lol Oct 10 22:14:42 I'll be honest, I haven't been using nomnomnom lately Oct 10 22:14:47 makes me stressed when I see bugs Oct 10 22:15:03 plus I use newsroom on my phone Oct 10 22:15:09 once I move to iOS I'll use GR Oct 10 22:15:28 I pretty much only read RSS on my TP or a computer Oct 10 22:15:55 port that baby to the pre3! Oct 10 22:16:19 he's bailing on us Oct 10 22:16:41 I pretty much only read it on my phone Oct 10 22:16:41 ah, so off to wallow in ObjectiveC. have fun! Oct 10 22:16:49 rwatkins: If I get a pre3, I will Oct 10 22:17:01 no, I'm probably not gonna dev for iOS Oct 10 22:17:10 working on a new enyo app Oct 10 22:17:15 :) Oct 10 22:17:34 then I dunno. perhaps just learn other languages and so forth Oct 10 22:18:06 summatusmentis: HP is bailing on us Oct 10 22:18:20 PhoneGap Oct 10 22:18:34 Tibfib: word. Oct 10 22:18:52 I don't disagree, just sayin' Oct 10 22:19:15 From an app dev perspective, atleast non-services stuff, PhoneGap + Enyo is pretty much the same as webOS + Enyo. Oct 10 22:19:30 Tibfib: I need the link to the beta repo again Oct 10 22:19:30 doctored, and can't find it Oct 10 22:19:37 PatrickC: that's your fault Oct 10 22:19:49 erm. check your email Oct 10 22:19:54 rwatkins: now that I have the chroot set up, I'll look into phonegap Oct 10 22:19:55 for the previous email Oct 10 22:19:58 Tibfib: umm.. you never emailed it to me? you just told me on irc via pm Oct 10 22:20:02 I'll check again Oct 10 22:20:44 wow.. now it shows up Oct 10 22:20:46 PatrickC: I don't have that info Oct 10 22:20:49 looked for it like 10 times Oct 10 22:20:57 riiiiiiiggghhhhhhhtttt Oct 10 22:21:00 and it just now decides to show up lol Oct 10 22:21:02 thx Oct 10 22:21:41 g2g Oct 10 22:22:10 hmm does anyone here live between kansas and massachusetts? Oct 10 22:22:29 well, NJ Oct 10 22:22:37 which is sorta south of that Oct 10 22:23:03 probably gonna do a trip to visit some universities, wondering if anyone wants to meet up for lunch or something Oct 10 22:24:31 Tibfib: coming through MN? Oct 10 22:24:46 i live in massachusetts Oct 10 22:25:11 summatusmentis: probably not Oct 10 22:25:18 k, well, if you do, let me know Oct 10 22:25:22 nyc webOS dev meetup on th 26th Oct 10 22:25:28 summatusmentis: definitely will Oct 10 22:25:44 well I think I'm planning on the trip for the weekend of the 21st Oct 10 22:25:57 long drive to do in one weekend? Oct 10 22:25:59 Planning on visiting U of Illinois and MIT. and perhaps purdue Oct 10 22:26:17 will start on thursday to illinois Oct 10 22:26:32 then spend fri there. haven't decided about visiting MIT yet. Oct 10 22:27:22 I want to… but it's a lot farther. Oct 10 22:27:33 lulz Oct 10 22:27:44 zlul Oct 10 22:28:02 orly Oct 10 22:28:38 hmmm. Oct 10 22:29:32 Hmm. What's the simplest way to add a loading spinner over a webview while it's loading? Bind a handler? Oct 10 22:33:20 this.$.webview.setShowing(false);this.$.spinner.setShowing(true); Oct 10 22:35:58 fxspec06: indeed :) But I mean as far as actually calling the show/hide Oct 10 22:36:40 such as a bind on webView.loadStarted() and documentLoadFinished() or somesuch Oct 10 22:41:16 Though.. To the source code! Oct 10 22:44:10 Shadyman: a toaster goes over everything, so you could make one with a scrim/spinner in it Oct 10 22:44:33 and show it while the page is loading...you can even make it where it only covers the webview part Oct 10 22:44:40 oo Oct 10 22:45:05 it's really just a popup anyway, so any of those will do the same thing Oct 10 22:45:14 hmm Oct 10 22:46:05 oh I see the rest of the question now, yeah you want to listen to page load start/stop events to control when to show it Oct 10 22:46:39 indeed Oct 10 22:46:41 if you do palm-run with the device connected, you can see all kinds of info spitting out from a webview that you won't see in chrome console Oct 10 22:47:52 enyo.BasicWebView.loadStarted(): enyo.BasicWebView.loadStopped(): enyo.BasicWebView.documentLoadFinished(): etc? Oct 10 22:48:16 hmmm, anyway to debug the browser for web dev? Oct 10 22:48:42 i've got a site that freezes half way on loading Oct 10 22:48:47 sounds good :D but I've never actually looked at the events...if you got it from BasicWebView.js, then yep Oct 10 22:49:18 dunno, palm-launch spits it out in palm-log like info: enyo.BasicWebView.loadStarted(): , /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js:75 Oct 10 22:49:19 Exiles: make an app that's a webview Oct 10 22:49:27 ok Oct 10 22:50:01 whatever happens in that webview is what will be happening in the browser Oct 10 22:51:17 Shadyman: source for BasicWebView shows a LOT of events you can listen to Oct 10 22:55:08 hm. And you can scrim/spinner over a portion of a screen similar to how fxspec06 suggested? Or would a toaster be required? Oct 10 22:56:26 In a components block? Oct 10 22:56:39 hm.. Oct 10 22:58:08 Shadyman: I said toaster since that's what I'm using in this app right now Oct 10 22:58:14 you can use whatever you like :D Oct 10 22:58:35 a popup kind will go modal if you want it to, can be fixed position, etc. Oct 10 22:58:46 the world is your oyster Oct 10 22:58:54 indeed Oct 10 22:59:16 I'm just picturing all kinds of things going wrong with a positional 'cover' as far as screen tilt/etc goes Oct 10 23:00:07 but I'll keep that in mind :) Oct 10 23:11:25 Hm. Well there goes that idea. A scrim in a webView's components doesn't work quite as planned. Oct 10 23:12:59 Though, the web browser itself doesn't use a scrim, so maybe I don't need one? Net might be laggy and then someone gets stuck with a partially-loaded page and a scrim :x Oct 10 23:13:23 no, you will need to have it be separate from the webview Oct 10 23:14:33 Hm. Maybe a progress-bar-type loading thing like the web browser app has? Oct 10 23:35:39 murf Oct 10 23:35:40 Adora: ping Oct 10 23:47:48 are we still doing webOS development ? Oct 10 23:48:39 http://www.facebook.com/HP ... lol... like to win a touchpad. Oct 10 23:48:44 well, chance at Oct 10 23:48:58 currently odds are at 5:736,193 Oct 10 23:49:19 well, assuming all 736000 are US Oct 10 23:49:55 lol Oct 10 23:50:33 haeffb: good question Oct 10 23:51:10 google changed access to google docs and messed up Myles export Oct 10 23:53:03 haeffb: I am lol Oct 10 23:53:18 jerks Oct 10 23:53:33 "do no evil" .... yeah, right. Oct 10 23:53:44 haeffb! Oct 10 23:53:49 * haeffb playing with spotify Oct 10 23:53:56 lies Oct 10 23:53:58 dwc-: Those are just the "likes" for HP Oct 10 23:53:59 we should meet for lunch if I do a road trip to illinois Oct 10 23:54:07 dwc-: You still have to actually sign up for the contest Oct 10 23:54:09 haeffb: I love spotify, use it all the time Oct 10 23:54:43 I've had a premium account for months, but haven't really used it Oct 10 23:54:54 bah spotify Oct 10 23:54:55 * Tibfib has premium account, and uses it daily Oct 10 23:54:57 should be good for getting tunes on my iPhone, though Oct 10 23:55:00 * halfhalo hearts zune Oct 10 23:56:23 haeffb: same Oct 10 23:56:28 looking forward to using it on iOS Oct 11 00:00:56 you weird people with ios Oct 11 00:04:11 ziz pre3 here needs to get its battery nice and measured Oct 11 00:17:24 I used a Spotify Premium account for a month. I didn't really like it all that much. Oct 11 00:17:46 The concept's great but I use Pandora for random music and I have all my content mirrored on iTunes Match, Google Music, and Amazon Cloud Player. Oct 11 00:17:51 Is there any way I can prevent focus on a TextField in a scene when the scene is pushed? I tried to send a Mojo.Event.tap event to another div but never got this to work as I get a strange error message. Oct 11 00:17:53 I've overkilled the concept of cloud music. Oct 11 00:18:03 but might use Spotify when I get my Veer. Oct 11 00:18:45 Spanska: there's a way... Oct 11 00:19:07 http://www.webos101.com Oct 11 00:19:22 jedivulcan: spotify on webOS is pretty lame Oct 11 00:21:14 I'm reading the app review for it. It doesn't look like anything more extraordinary than the iOS app. Oct 11 00:22:12 Spanska: this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null); Oct 11 00:22:17 haeffb: just found it Oct 11 00:22:24 thank you very much Oct 11 00:22:34 I remember looking there but somehow missed it Oct 11 00:22:37 been too long, had to search Oct 11 00:24:04 I have another question if you don't mind helping. Is there a way to make sure I only create unique db8 entries? Basicly, I'm getting data and each entry has a category. I need to fill a category list in db8 so to make it simple I would call 'put' on each entry but I need to make sure I won't end up with lots of duplicate categories. Oct 11 00:24:14 yay. Oct 11 00:24:23 Spanska: no, there is not Oct 11 00:24:24 it sucks Oct 11 00:24:28 see my koto code Oct 11 00:25:02 I have a function to take an array of objects and check for existence of each individual object Oct 11 00:25:17 if it exists, it calls the db8 merge call, if it doesn't,it calls put Oct 11 00:26:35 hrm, that will make the code way slower.. Oct 11 00:27:26 I'll probably end up doing a find to get all categories and then just search that array each time and push the new ones Oct 11 00:29:05 haeffb: thanks again, works wonderful :D Oct 11 00:29:17 Tibfib: thanks, I'll follow your advice Oct 11 00:43:03 what's up all? Oct 11 00:43:26 not much. http://cdn.duelinganalogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Thats-Our-Diglett.png Oct 11 01:33:23 Tibfib: ping Oct 11 01:37:31 Curious: GrabButtons sink to the back in a flex layout Oct 11 01:38:04 ie, hflexbox with a grabButton and a ProgressBar (flex:1), the grabButton ends up underneath the ProgressBar Oct 11 01:38:17 ya, grabbuttons are wierd Oct 11 01:38:21