**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 17 02:59:56 2011 Oct 17 03:12:09 with widk there are possibilities of /bin/sh errors if bash isnt used, but im using bash, so its not that Oct 17 03:14:53 anyone with a pre3 around? Oct 17 03:20:04 I wish Oct 17 03:20:19 PuffTheMagic: ya Oct 17 03:20:43 rwatkins, got freeTether installed? Oct 17 03:21:54 no. ATT has Mobile Hotspot app and havent really needed it yet. Oct 17 03:27:02 * dwc- has been busy wiping a pre3 a lot of times Oct 17 03:27:31 I could install freetether on it if you want Oct 17 03:28:13 has anyone tried porting an enyo app to wp7? Oct 17 03:29:10 ha Oct 17 03:34:34 I'm using freetether on my hp veer ^^ I use the usb connection though - and it works like a charm Oct 17 03:35:45 im looking forward to finally getting my veer back Oct 17 03:36:10 mine sort-of "lags" while playing mp3 for some reason Oct 17 03:37:29 I only wifi tether to my devices Oct 17 03:55:44 my pre 3 lags while playing music on spotify :/ Oct 17 03:56:05 over wifi even Oct 17 03:57:51 my pre3 seems to think it cant stream when on H+ Oct 17 03:58:16 yeah it doesn't recognize H+ as being better than 3G Oct 17 03:58:29 but even on wifi it stutters occasionally. I didn't think playing music was very resource intensive ;P Oct 17 03:59:03 its usually fine with downloaded content for mine. I rarely stream. Oct 17 03:59:14 I suspect its network activity, not media playback thats the issue Oct 17 03:59:27 well I have only downloaded music, because of the H+ streaming issue Oct 17 03:59:39 only really stream at home, on wifi Oct 17 04:11:22 gah. let by brother my laptop to use for a hw assignment for a few minutes and he manages to take it with him for the weekend. Oct 17 04:13:22 halfhalo, you are just chalk full of bs excuses for not working on wTerm Oct 17 04:13:38 halfhalo, you have caused me to work on freeTether Oct 17 04:17:11 if i wanted bs excuses i would not go with that one. i would go with power outage. or internet outage. or dog ate a hd. although that last one has happened before Oct 17 04:17:40 ^^^ sounds like an excuse for your excuse Oct 17 04:17:51 EXCUSES Oct 17 04:18:13 * halfhalo goes to read 50 pages and take a quiz before 10pm Oct 17 04:19:21 ^^^^^ there's another excuse Oct 17 04:33:59 dog ate harddrive Oct 17 04:34:03 dog ate usb memory stick Oct 17 04:34:05 have to wait 2 weeks Oct 17 04:36:23 dog ate keyboard. replacement ordered Oct 17 04:38:26 had to RMA the motherboard Oct 17 04:39:19 2 weeks seems long to ahh Oct 17 04:39:23 get the usb stick back Oct 17 04:39:23 lol Oct 17 04:49:46 dog ate capacitor 234, puter won't boot =( Oct 17 04:50:29 i'm off to bed. long day, long week, long month.. totally worth it Oct 17 04:51:04 * fxspec06_ enyo face Oct 17 05:08:30 fuck this month Oct 17 05:08:42 whoa :O Oct 17 05:09:43 whoa what Oct 17 05:09:53 whoa keep the language PG in this channel please Oct 17 05:10:10 oh sorry Oct 17 05:12:49 ccb bronson? Oct 17 05:40:19 The Walking Dead always leaves you with a nice cliffhanger Oct 17 05:42:02 * dwc- does not have AMC Oct 17 05:42:58 ouch Oct 17 05:44:04 Not on hulu either Oct 17 05:44:21 wasn't least season either Oct 17 05:44:33 hi Oct 17 05:44:39 well, beyond ep1, when it was also free to watch on amc Oct 17 05:45:32 I have on demand, so i never had to worry about watching it on the web if I missed it Oct 17 06:22:33 hmm Oct 17 06:22:42 this animation which is supposed to take 60 seconds is instead taking 3 <_< Oct 17 06:22:52 like it's in fast-forward mode Oct 17 06:37:47 blurg, I can't even end the animation. this.$.animator.stop() does nothink! Oct 17 06:46:20 this.$.animator.hide() ? Oct 17 06:46:27 wait Oct 17 06:46:30 is this a spinner? Oct 17 06:46:52 I'm using the enyo.Animator kind to just change the content of a component to a number, from 60 to 0 Oct 17 06:46:56 a simple timer Oct 17 06:47:00 ah Oct 17 06:47:17 but it's blowing through 60 to -infinity super fast and I can't stop it <_< Oct 17 06:47:30 tick is 1000.. Oct 17 06:51:14 oh, tick doesn't work Oct 17 06:51:15 lol. Oct 17 06:51:16 neat. Oct 17 06:56:12 hi Oct 17 07:06:38 yeah. enyo.Animator's "tick" property and stop() method don't seem to function. bleh. Oct 17 09:32:29 hey guys.. could any one of you that has an app in the store.. tell me if the "Update" button in the app submission process has disappeared/ Oct 17 09:33:22 nevermind, it's on the rejected update i had last week Oct 17 09:37:20 args, how long does it take to process an rejection request?... do they actually require someone to manually approve the rejection? Oct 17 09:43:39 stbuehler: unfortunately, yes. mine took 2 days last time. time before that it was almost as soon as i hit the button Oct 17 09:46:10 they really need to work on the app submission system -.- Oct 17 09:48:22 i totally see why there are so very few major developers who were willing to go into this. They probably took a look at the catalog, laughed, and wandered away Oct 17 13:04:02 still seeing pre3 phones on ebay... wondering where all these are coming from? Oct 17 13:06:17 weren't they sold to HP employees? Oct 17 13:07:17 even att & verizon branded ones? Oct 17 13:07:56 I was telling my wife about all the stuff thats happened and she thinks its bad cause it seemed like they were stolen. Oct 17 13:07:59 there were a bunch of them made Oct 17 13:08:05 att were sold to employees like 10-12 at a time iirc Oct 17 13:08:05 I cant believe these all fell off a truck Oct 17 13:08:07 i doubt they were stolen. highly doubt Oct 17 13:08:14 yea Oct 17 13:08:23 that's like the least likely possibility if you ask me Oct 17 13:08:30 nobody wants to steal a webos device. Oct 17 13:08:47 if they did, it'd likely be an accident and they'd just throw it out Oct 17 13:08:55 I thought so too, but like everything with these phones its tough to make sense of it Oct 17 13:09:05 wikipedia says: In the US, GSM models were sold direct to HP employees at $75 each, up to 12 per employee. Oct 17 13:09:08 it's not too difficult to make sense of if you ask me Oct 17 13:09:18 and they sold out before they hit the public so it seems employees bought a lot :) Oct 17 13:09:36 yeah "hey, what the heck is webos? go steal some ipads" Oct 17 13:09:39 HP employees got their hands on them, and are selling them or gave them away, and now ppl are selling them. Oct 17 13:10:27 http://www.ebay.com/itm/OFFICIAL-HP-Pre-3-SMARTPHONE-VERIZON-AT-T-3G-4G-BLACK-16GB-BATTERY-BRAND-NEW-/320776355454?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4aafc2be7e Oct 17 13:10:53 lol, just the battery Oct 17 13:11:03 $485 for vzw, 11h left --> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pre3-Smartphone-Verizon-3G-New-Global-Ready-webOS-2-2-3-Skype-enabled-/120794002983?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item1c1fe23627 Oct 17 13:11:27 I want a verizon one badly. yeah I saw that one earlier. starting to dip below $500 Oct 17 13:11:34 they're everywhere. yeah starting to Oct 17 13:11:40 i'll get one when it's ~$250 Oct 17 13:11:47 dont know if I want it that badly tho :) Oct 17 13:11:50 word Oct 17 13:11:51 that seems like a reasonable well-rounded price Oct 17 13:12:23 then again, as soon as i get a pre 3 HP will announce a partnership and new phones a week later Oct 17 13:12:23 just frustrating the way this all went down as always Oct 17 13:12:26 murphy's law Oct 17 13:12:47 partnership / sale Oct 17 13:12:59 still no word from HP meetings I guess? I couldnt find anything new today Oct 17 13:13:25 if you're looking for webos news... well you'll probably be looking very hard for a very long time. =( Oct 17 13:13:57 ugh Oct 17 13:14:12 something could happen any day, or nothing could happen for months Oct 17 13:25:49 Alrighty, I'm going to be watching the Palm blog like a hawk today. I always seem to miss their giveaways Oct 17 13:29:47 And.. best argument ever for my Palm phone: "Your phone may be cool, but can it run XWindows?" Oct 17 13:29:57 silly iphones. Oct 17 13:30:55 XWindow. Oct 17 13:31:59 X11 Oct 17 13:32:07 whee Oct 17 13:32:17 BREAKING: New pivot should be out soon! Oct 17 13:32:32 fxspec06_: it'll be sold at the Palm retail store. Oct 17 13:32:40 you mean "soon" Oct 17 13:32:53 which means .. someday. eventually. hopefully. Oct 17 13:33:11 Soon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Soon Oct 17 13:33:14 the october pivot.. available in march for free! only on #webos Oct 17 13:33:24 hehe Oct 17 13:33:43 indeed. only on webos Oct 17 13:34:11 lol Oct 17 13:34:56 so turns out my Enyo app runs better on a Pre2 than it does a Pre3. Oct 17 13:35:12 Irony. Oct 17 13:35:32 that's wild. my enyo app isn't optimized yet for phones. needa figure how to close a sliding pane, then it'll work Oct 17 13:35:36 close / open Oct 17 13:35:50 it's amazing though how interchangable they are Oct 17 13:36:35 fxspec06_: just selectViewByName("viewname") Oct 17 13:36:43 sweetness Oct 17 13:37:23 i never looked for it, but it's as easy as i expected Oct 17 14:03:24 http://www.faqs.org/patents/assignee/palm-inc/ Oct 17 14:03:44 "METHODS AND APPARATUS FOR UNLOCKING AN ELECTRONIC DEVICE - The present disclosure provides methods and apparatus for unlocking an electronic device. In an embodiment, a process causes a device such as a smartphone to receive a sound input from a fixed position microphone and determine if the device should be unlocked based on a comparison of the sound input with a previously defined sound Oct 17 14:03:44 input." Oct 17 14:05:16 fxspec06_: are you just looking up palm patents? Oct 17 14:05:29 because that one is sort f neat Oct 17 14:06:21 i saw it on P|C Oct 17 14:06:29 and thought it was worthy of mentioning here Oct 17 14:06:36 in a thread Oct 17 14:06:46 it's pretty cool Oct 17 14:07:07 wow Oct 17 14:07:09 my Veer died Oct 17 14:07:17 after switching back to the Pre2, that one died too Oct 17 14:07:31 after sending an SMS to my roommate, hers died too Oct 17 14:07:34 wtf?! Oct 17 14:09:52 coincidence? i think not Oct 17 14:10:10 * fxspec06_ smells something fishy Oct 17 14:11:36 It's not me, I showered! Oct 17 14:37:06 fxspec06_, what phone of yours has webos3 or enyo on it Oct 17 14:37:10 ? Oct 17 14:37:50 phone, webos3? /hmm Oct 17 14:39:24 my pre 2 does Oct 17 14:39:35 but i can put it on my other pre 2, or my pre+ Oct 17 14:39:41 you can too, with bing maps Oct 17 15:27:48 any1 has a good recommendation on a touchpad app for taking notes ? Oct 17 15:29:45 uhm i'm not super experienced w/ those specific apps but there's a wordpad app Oct 17 15:30:03 pretty sure it's reliable. hp gave away a promo for it a while back Oct 17 15:43:58 * halfhalo blehs Oct 17 15:45:05 its to early on a monday for me to be functioning Oct 17 15:45:18 I hope you are not in my timezone then ;) Oct 17 15:45:36 he's on the ossopite coast Oct 17 15:45:47 its also apparentpy to early for me to have a phone with a sim card.... goddamitall Oct 17 15:46:13 it's too early for me to be giving lectures to friends who want a 'hug' because they got a C in spanish Oct 17 15:46:41 is said friend a woman? Oct 17 15:46:47 why are you giving them lectures when they just want a hug? Oct 17 15:46:52 yes. -.- Oct 17 15:47:01 ... Oct 17 15:47:16 because a hug won't do them any good. a hug is a reward. they don't deserve a hug for a c. an a deserves a hug Oct 17 15:47:20 a c means you need to study more Oct 17 15:47:35 they're your friends not your kids :) Oct 17 15:47:45 unless.... Oct 17 15:47:52 right, and i don't treat my friends any differently Oct 17 15:48:00 i would expect my friends to tell me to study more as well Oct 17 15:49:31 but that's me, and my opinions and views are clearly outside the realm of the ways most people would think Oct 17 15:51:09 I think your missing the important "women" aspect of this. Oct 17 15:52:58 none of my guy friends would come to me crying asking for a hug because they got a c in spanish Oct 17 15:53:11 most of them would realize that they need to devote more time to studying Oct 17 15:55:08 ok, first of all, it seems like you're saying that "my friends who are girls are too dumb to realize they need to study more" Oct 17 15:55:16 which is just sort of sexist Oct 17 15:55:30 secondly, it's possible she just wants an excuse to hug you Oct 17 15:56:50 =| idk. i can't spend too much more time worrying about that, i need to study myself lol Oct 17 15:59:42 i apologize for that last remark. intended or not, did come across as sexist. moving on.. Oct 17 15:59:48 you always go with theory 2. always. Oct 17 15:59:52 its for the best. Oct 17 16:00:20 I think I've spent several hours of my life over the last 2.5 wks opening the App Catalog, waiting for it to load, and looking for the new Pivot. Oct 17 16:03:42 uh oh the yankees have entered #webos Oct 17 16:09:09 http://www.commitlogsfromlastnight.com/ Oct 17 16:09:28 so true Oct 17 16:10:14 lmfao Oct 17 16:12:23 "adding an oh shit section" Oct 17 16:12:54 "Oops, left some debugging crap" - all the time Oct 17 16:13:22 "LOTS OF ZOMBIES. BRAAAAINNNS. " Oct 17 16:13:50 also a nice long stream of commits with just "f**k" from tj. that must have been some fun coding. Oct 17 16:14:34 lol Oct 17 16:14:35 omg what hell Oct 17 16:24:18 two weeks until Halloween and I haven't even thought of a costume yet Oct 17 16:24:35 Is there no age limit? Oct 17 16:24:39 ;) Oct 17 16:25:19 no :P Oct 17 16:25:24 I'm not trick-or-treating Oct 17 16:25:25 you should go as webos. it's dead, so everyone would be terrified Oct 17 16:25:44 I thought of webOS zombie, but that's too easy Oct 17 16:25:48 lol Oct 17 16:26:13 my parents are mad at my brother since he no longer wants to go trick or treating Oct 17 16:26:21 sugardave: how is the weather ? Oct 17 16:26:51 since when my brother went trick or treating they followed with a wagon full of margaritas. Oct 17 16:27:30 hotdp: pretty nice - http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=78725 Oct 17 16:30:06 omg Oct 17 16:30:17 I can leave my winter cloth at home i see Oct 17 16:30:21 its freezing here Oct 17 16:30:31 its cold here... like 60f Oct 17 16:30:38 And the temp wont drop suddenly`? Oct 17 16:31:43 I completely forgot I can call using gvoice and my laptop... Oct 17 16:32:43 hotdp: I know one day this week we're supposed to have a low around 43F, but it looks like it will be high 70s - low 80s while you're here Oct 17 16:33:25 50f is my cutoff for saying "screw it, its cold, not going outside" Oct 17 16:34:00 yeah, that's cold to me :D Oct 17 16:34:36 * halfhalo is wearing a tshirt, shorts, and flipflops today... and is cold. its only like 66f and the ac is on in his office Oct 17 16:34:56 because the stupid ac is always like 20 degrees colder in here than outside. Oct 17 16:35:02 because its stolen office space Oct 17 16:35:06 running the AC at 66F outside is criminal Oct 17 16:35:06 because thats how i roll. Oct 17 16:36:42 hmm. its my brothers birthday Oct 17 16:38:39 I really should remember this sort of stuff Oct 17 16:40:32 there's this cool thing called a calendar...you should look into it Oct 17 16:41:08 what do you think reminded me today? Oct 17 16:41:56 thank god for amazon and yearly releases of CoD. Oct 17 16:43:17 60s is cold? sheesh Oct 17 16:43:45 get a jacket Oct 17 16:44:03 BAH Oct 17 16:49:03 * halfhalo is cold.... brrr Oct 17 17:24:34 hello Oct 17 17:25:00 I have question on webOsConnect Oct 17 17:25:12 anybody know how to use that component? Oct 17 17:42:39 anyone know how to clear like notifications on PC forums, that shit is annoying Oct 17 17:46:52 hit the button Oct 17 17:47:17 you need to view your likes, that clears them. Oct 17 17:55:54 hello Oct 17 18:08:50 is it possible somehow run command line app ? Oct 17 18:09:03 via some service Oct 17 18:13:34 Anybody here know how to use webOsconnect component ? I am trying to use it to run some system commands (e.g: /bin/ls) but I am getting error "Cannot call method' Oct 17 18:16:28 is spazz activly developed Oct 17 18:28:02 hrm.. photo app be broken.. says i have no accounts and wont let me add any, hoping a restart fixes that. Oct 17 18:29:27 i wouldn't place a bet Oct 17 18:31:56 fixed after reboot ;D Oct 17 18:33:54 =O NO WAY! A reboot fixed a webos device!?? say it ain't so ;) Oct 17 18:34:56 http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300969_2349698535755_1048858191_2753115_1254709290_n.jpg Oct 17 18:35:10 finally got my car all 'configured' for winter Oct 17 18:35:22 new studs to rock my uber sweet winter wheels Oct 17 18:35:26 that's your car? what happened to the wheels Oct 17 18:35:52 i painted them bright orange Oct 17 18:35:55 :P Oct 17 18:36:07 does that make it go faster? Oct 17 18:36:12 sure Oct 17 18:36:13 http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313718_2242952427169_1048858191_2668073_1348396272_n.jpg Oct 17 18:36:26 they looked like that when i got em, figured id do something different Oct 17 18:36:40 hm. well i guess that's not a bad idea then Oct 17 18:37:13 man, i hope i start bringing in some money so i don't have to sell my car that's 3 / 5 years paid Oct 17 18:39:03 there's a new app that should be out somethime relatively soon that i have been devoting much of my time to Oct 17 18:44:08 are there ways to replace text assist language to something not officialy supported ? Oct 17 18:45:56 change the language of the phone? Oct 17 18:46:18 well my language is not supported ;) Oct 17 18:48:37 not sure if the language files are compiled are not. Oct 17 18:54:38 hm the lack of client side certificate support is stil a big shame ! :( Oct 17 18:58:16 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/276909-how-replace-autocorrect-dictionary-webos-2-x.html Oct 17 19:21:59 yay hpshopping elevator music. Oct 17 19:22:06 lol Oct 17 19:27:37 Shadyman, I think my powered hub shipped out today, so hopefully i'll get it by friday Oct 17 19:27:41 yay :D Oct 17 19:27:56 Still trying to work on compat-wireless though Oct 17 19:27:57 Heh. That was quick. Told her I got my Touchpad order at full price, she asked for the order number, said yep, some money refunded in 7-10 business days Oct 17 19:28:06 nice Oct 17 19:28:12 paid $250 for my Employee-Purchase-Plan touchpad Oct 17 19:28:23 32 gee bees Oct 17 19:28:48 Well, my veer finally got marked as 'in repair' after business close friday Oct 17 19:29:00 I could hear her cringe over the phone when I mentioned Touchpad :x Oct 17 19:29:09 lol Oct 17 19:29:27 Friday, which is a day shy of a month since i sent the thing in Oct 17 19:29:29 though, this was the existing-orders line, not the new sales line Oct 17 19:29:38 argh why is there just a pptp vpn plugin for the touchpad ! :( Oct 17 19:29:39 wrea: That sucks :( Oct 17 19:29:59 Yeah. I was constantly lied to the whole time Oct 17 19:30:22 Or people with not enough information :x Oct 17 19:30:48 If you dont have info, you say that, you dont make stuff up Oct 17 19:30:53 ^ Oct 17 19:31:33 ignorance is bliss. Oct 17 19:31:42 I was told it was in repair, being shipped to another facility, fixed back at the first place, sent to me, sent to the other place and now back to being repair to the first place Oct 17 19:31:43 :P Oct 17 19:32:07 lool Oct 17 19:32:10 at least you know it's moving around Oct 17 19:32:21 Getting a free tour of texas Oct 17 19:32:43 who cares if it's being fixed. ping pong webos w/ UPS is the best, awesome alliteration unintended Oct 17 19:32:44 All this started because they had me send it to the wrong place Oct 17 19:33:56 yeah Oct 17 19:34:14 I'm trying to figure out what I did to WIDK to start getting a /bin/sh error now Oct 17 19:38:16 Heh. Oct 17 19:38:28 Some kind of sh command that isn't implemented in busybox? Oct 17 19:39:36 Well, the thing is when trying to compile compat-wireless early last week I didnt get it at all. Now I do. Oct 17 19:39:53 I guess if you use dash you can get them, but I'm still using bash Oct 17 19:40:19 Hmm. Check git or wherever it comes from for a changelog or a diff? Oct 17 19:41:48 I havent done a git pull until yesterday Oct 17 19:42:16 "/bin/sh: -r: command not found" Oct 17 19:42:29 which is a restricted shell afaik Oct 17 19:46:55 wrea: you get that running what command? Oct 17 19:47:19 make Oct 17 19:47:44 just make? Oct 17 19:47:46 where? Oct 17 19:48:11 directly in cross-compile? Oct 17 19:50:27 compiling compat-wireless. I add CC and LD in the makefile and its proven successful before this error popped up Oct 17 19:51:00 Going to end up packaging it for myself for easy install Oct 17 19:52:07 does that need the zip executable? Oct 17 19:53:04 nope, not that i can see Oct 17 19:53:58 do you have the output from the configure command? Oct 17 19:54:13 and you can always try to apt-get install zip and try again just in case Oct 17 19:54:23 there's no configure, just a makefile Oct 17 19:54:32 often the makefile will run a configure command? Oct 17 19:54:53 or is that not a widk package? Oct 17 19:55:14 zip is installed Oct 17 19:55:18 ok Oct 17 19:56:29 so you updated the widk and it stopped working? Oct 17 19:56:57 no, didnt update it at all Oct 17 19:57:10 so it was working before and just stopped working out of the blue? Oct 17 19:57:40 pretty much, and as far as i can remember I can still compile my other packages just fine still Oct 17 19:58:06 I know I recompiled kismet recently because I changed some stuff Oct 17 19:58:42 you're compiling from a sb2 prompt? Oct 17 19:59:06 Yeah Oct 17 20:06:27 ok just looked at that package... sounds weird cross-compiling that since it builds kernel modules shrug... in any case did you try looking at some make debug info ? like make -d Oct 17 20:15:05 or make V=1 if it supports that Oct 17 20:15:15 then at least you can see what it's doing Oct 17 20:15:47 ofc what it's doing is calling "-r" :p Oct 17 20:15:52 hi Oct 17 20:16:34 yes, but then you can see what line it is and figure out what variable isn't expanding Oct 17 20:16:41 or is expanding wrong, etc Oct 17 20:16:41 indeed. Oct 17 20:51:12 Hm. Has anyone done donationware? Is that allowed on the App Catalog? Oct 17 20:51:56 ie "If you like this app, feel free to send donations by paypal to aaa@bbb.com. A donation is not required to fully enjoy this app. This is the only time you will see this message" Oct 17 20:52:20 as a popup on first-start Oct 17 20:54:59 in theory you could use in-app purchasing Oct 17 21:07:51 Tried make -d before and doesnt seem to show any cause of it, V=1 doesnt either Oct 17 21:19:58 you know what I wanna see as a demand on this whole occupy thing? Stopping this: car companies repo'ing a vehicle, selling it for less than it is worth, and then saying the person still owes, when they should not. Oct 17 21:20:47 yep, that's a pretty universal issue, and directly caused by the financial industry Oct 17 21:36:56 objectconstant: That'd be the same as being in debt to mortgage companies for more than a house is worth Oct 17 21:37:21 yup Oct 17 21:38:24 no, it's the same as not paying your mortgage, and the bank coming in, forclosing, and then turning around and trying to recoup some of their cost Oct 17 21:38:30 this is a pretty common model Oct 17 21:38:44 I like apple pie Oct 17 21:38:50 and cake Oct 17 21:38:57 The cake is a lie :( Oct 17 21:39:13 IKEA's apple cake Oct 17 21:39:32 IKEA has apple cale? Oct 17 21:39:32 #occupywallst is a bunch of people fighting each other, lame. Oct 17 21:39:37 cake, even Oct 17 21:39:50 Shadyman, in their cafe Oct 17 21:39:54 :o Oct 17 21:40:02 Y u do this, wrea? Oct 17 21:40:07 they have it frozen to buy, but it isnt the same Oct 17 21:40:09 fighting each other? Oct 17 21:40:11 I'm trying to LOSE pounds, not add them. Oct 17 21:40:24 summatusmentis: as opposed to fighting themselves, I guess? Oct 17 21:40:33 it's a damn flame war in there Oct 17 21:41:28 !surprising Oct 17 21:41:34 I'm injured, Lost my job due to this, lost my health insurance due to that, no hope of getting fixed. Oct 17 21:41:56 been trying to find a work from home system admin job for months. Oct 17 21:41:58 I total want to say i love BoA in there Oct 17 21:42:10 do it Oct 17 21:42:13 Do it. Though, I'd get on on an unregistered username. Oct 17 21:42:25 hide yo ip Oct 17 21:42:29 hide yo wife Oct 17 21:42:37 and kids Oct 17 21:42:38 and hide yo husband, cuz they trollin err'body out there Oct 17 21:43:08 this looks like a troll "[3:13:27 PM] *** Missed call from +40300085484. ***" Oct 17 21:43:09 lol Oct 17 21:43:11 BoA or BofA? Oct 17 21:43:20 dwc-: both. Oct 17 21:45:20 hmmm, +40... knwo anyone in romania? Oct 17 21:46:41 naw Oct 17 21:46:55 prolly wanna sell me a virus Oct 17 21:48:48 im loosing brain cells reading this crap lol Oct 17 21:49:09 the occupy stuff? Oct 17 21:49:10 yeah Oct 17 21:49:25 it's how I feel about the whole movement in general Oct 17 21:49:40 I bet half of them would willingly donate to haiti but not their neighbor. Oct 17 21:49:46 /etc Oct 17 21:49:55 most probably Oct 17 21:50:01 mmm, HTC passes on webos again Oct 17 21:50:02 I got two kids and need to somehow make rent. Oct 17 21:51:11 and I bet another 30% of them can't afford to donate to anyone, let alone pay their bills. Oct 17 21:51:18 hola.. twitter r slow Oct 17 21:51:20 clearly they're all lazy slobs Oct 17 21:51:29 I can't pay my bills :( Oct 17 21:51:53 and you disagree with the occupy wall street stuff? Oct 17 21:52:08 _you_ are part of their point Oct 17 21:52:46 so besides being unhappy... what actual solutions do they have to offer? I haven't really been following Oct 17 21:53:04 summatusmentis: I don't specifically disagree with it all Oct 17 21:53:24 * ajay thinks we need #occupyPalm Oct 17 21:53:43 shoudla done that before they sold off the last of the cool hardware ;) Oct 17 21:53:45 ajay, your phone getting repaired yet? Oct 17 21:53:52 wrea: oh crap.. i better call them :) Oct 17 21:54:15 ajay: must be distracted by his pile of pre3s ;) Oct 17 21:54:23 dwc-: I don't think their goal is to provide a solution Oct 17 21:54:27 s/:// Oct 17 21:54:36 ajay, after getting lied to again a few more times, the status finally got updated to 'in repair' after about one month Oct 17 21:54:59 I think their goal is to demonstrate a) unhappiness with the current system b) point out flaws c) demonstrate that they're not gonna take it anymore Oct 17 21:55:14 that's sort of generally the point of all protests Oct 17 21:55:26 the solution is a later organization effort Oct 17 21:55:41 but then slowly die out with nothing changed Oct 17 21:55:52 wrea: I have a feeling that is going to happen Oct 17 21:56:08 As I see it the only next step is civil war. Oct 17 21:56:16 and they are the start of the "occupying force" Oct 17 21:56:25 pfft Oct 17 21:56:28 right? Oct 17 21:56:38 not take anymore, how exactly? by sitting in a park? Oct 17 21:56:50 yes Oct 17 21:56:51 :P Oct 17 21:56:54 OCCUPY ALL THE PARKS Oct 17 21:57:00 I love the people interviewed Oct 17 21:57:04 how about occupy all the adult stores? Oct 17 21:57:10 Dont know why the hell they're there Oct 17 21:57:30 http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gif Oct 17 21:57:40 Bunch of bored hippie types that have nothing better to do Oct 17 21:57:41 * ajay wonders how angry mode switcher would be if he didn't reboot.. (one way to find out!) Oct 17 21:58:14 dwc-: it's a demonstration Oct 17 21:58:54 wrea: not true Oct 17 21:59:00 but of what exactly? Oct 17 21:59:10 If I wasn't so injured I'd be standing out somewherwe Oct 17 21:59:13 I'm in austin Oct 17 21:59:16 so likely austin Oct 17 22:00:03 of course, I'd still have a job Oct 17 22:00:07 so it'd have to be after my job. :p Oct 17 22:00:19 dwc-: overall unhappiness with the financial situation Oct 17 22:00:31 like the car companies making you pay Oct 17 22:00:35 on a car they undersold Oct 17 22:00:42 just so they can make more money Oct 17 22:00:44 or something? Oct 17 22:01:02 the financil situation, or their financial situation? Oct 17 22:01:10 arguably both Oct 17 22:01:10 the situation period Oct 17 22:01:11 what's going to satisfy them? Oct 17 22:01:25 their financial situation is an outcome of the financial situation Oct 17 22:01:32 That's so meta. Oct 17 22:01:36 summatusmentis: their financial situation is an outcome of the financial situation Oct 17 22:01:41 yes. Oct 17 22:01:44 my situation Oct 17 22:01:53 and no health insurance. cause Iw as injured, and lost my job due to the injury Oct 17 22:01:55 ... or their financial situation is likely at least partly an outcome of some poor decisions they made too Oct 17 22:01:57 so I lost my health insurance Oct 17 22:01:59 fuck you america. Oct 17 22:02:15 my financial situation is due to my poor decisions? Oct 17 22:02:17 I asked to get hurt? Oct 17 22:02:19 ... Oct 17 22:02:46 purposely trying to get into personal specifics... Oct 17 22:02:52 dwc-: yep, the poor people clearly should quit being so lazy or consumeristic, and work hard and pull themselves up by their bootstraps Oct 17 22:02:53 YES PLEASE HURT ME SO I CANT WORK SO I CAN BITCH ABOUT NOT HAVING MONEY Oct 17 22:02:55 note, likely, and partly Oct 17 22:02:58 thanks god. Oct 17 22:03:04 so I should occupy heaven? Oct 17 22:03:08 or how's that work? Oct 17 22:03:43 whether or not they made poor money decisions, these were exacerbated by the financial industry actively trying to make as much money as possible, with no thought to the outcomes Oct 17 22:03:49 that's the ponit here Oct 17 22:03:57 and with that, it's gohometime Oct 17 22:04:02 night summatusmentis Oct 17 22:05:25 I'm about to be homeless Oct 17 22:05:28 so whatever. Oct 17 22:05:40 yay free wireless from the neighbor Oct 17 22:05:46 and power company won't cut it off cause of the heat. Oct 17 22:05:50 ... Oct 17 22:06:38 ugh, I get enough of this on the street outside work. coming back when its webos again. Oct 17 22:07:12 awww poor rwatkins Oct 17 22:07:33 I need to go lay back down myself, I'll be back in to harass rwatkins later Oct 17 22:09:19 * ajay 's skype on his VzPre2 phone stopped working today.. gah! Oct 17 22:14:20 wrea: So where would I get the .ko module for this wireless card from? (Linksys WUSB54G)? Oct 17 22:14:31 * ajay finds serve.com to be some of the worst customer service Ever Oct 17 22:15:48 what's a serve.com? Oct 17 22:16:42 Shadyman: AmExpress's answer to paypal. (or poor excuse for one) Oct 17 22:17:40 ew Oct 17 22:20:39 ShadeS, rt2x00 Oct 17 22:20:54 Err Shadyman rather ^ Oct 17 22:20:56 hehe Oct 17 22:21:20 where would I hunt the .ko for it? Oct 17 22:21:42 CONFIG_R2500USB needs to be enabled in .config if you compile it yourself Oct 17 22:21:53 Shadyman, you compiled it already? Oct 17 22:22:27 nope, I've got nothing besides the USB wireless card and a touchpad. Oct 17 22:22:33 well, software-wise Oct 17 22:22:34 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.connectionmanager/cm '{"doSwitchTetheredModeWhenMhsIsTurnedOn": true}' Oct 17 22:22:34 {"returnValue":true} Oct 17 22:22:35 heh Oct 17 22:23:11 ajay, what happens when you run luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.wan/connectservice '{"service":"tethered","usage":"userInitiated"}' Oct 17 22:24:00 Shadyman, well, you'd have to compile it first Oct 17 22:24:42 http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00_GIT_instructions I'd imagine? Oct 17 22:25:31 or I guess I could mount the TP as USB slave and just git clone onto it Oct 17 22:25:47 wrea: what? Oct 17 22:26:23 ShadeS, worry, tab completion error. Was for Shadyman Oct 17 22:28:13 wrea: Or since that git isn't working, I guess I could try legacy drivers.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/rt2400/ Oct 17 22:28:27 ajay: I wonder if I can use the Serve 10$ credit to fund my Google Prepaid card :Q Oct 17 22:29:23 Shadyman, its in tree Oct 17 22:29:32 Hm. Oct 17 22:29:59 would I have to crosscompile? Oct 17 22:30:05 I'll be your bestest friend ever, gimme you're email Oct 17 22:30:16 I have it compiled Oct 17 22:30:21 oo Oct 17 22:33:50 Now to hunt a kismet Oct 17 22:34:01 wonder if dd/openwrt packages would work Oct 17 22:37:10 Shadyman, I guess I'm gonna be your one stop show Oct 17 22:37:23 shop* Oct 17 22:38:27 heh Oct 17 22:38:56 heh... some people in my bio class are getting uppity about having to actually show up for a test Oct 17 22:39:05 I have kismet for the tp ready to go Oct 17 22:39:07 sorry back Oct 17 22:39:23 halfhalo, what, show up? The nerve Oct 17 22:39:28 ^^^ Oct 17 22:39:37 They don't *have* to show up. Oct 17 22:39:40 0 is fine too. Oct 17 22:39:43 amirite? Oct 17 22:40:14 I show try getting kismet into a repo at some point Oct 17 22:40:18 should* Oct 17 22:40:24 damn, cant think today Oct 17 22:40:26 we should have an unofficial repo Oct 17 22:40:55 "USB Drive Connection Failed Please toss away all cards and try again" Umm.. I just restarted luna bro. :( Touchpad!! Oct 17 22:41:15 Shadyman, you should have an email Oct 17 22:41:30 I do Oct 17 22:41:33 it just popped up --> Oct 17 22:42:44 wtf could not unmount Oct 17 22:42:56 oh, silly command line Oct 17 22:43:25 And.. any fix yet for that "Ouch, that hurts" message? :( Oct 17 22:46:22 am i the only one that's had this USB mode error then? Oct 17 22:46:44 restart completely? Oct 17 22:46:52 you could have non-luna-managed stuff sucking up ram? Oct 17 22:46:58 i assume it's not the cable, because the pre works.. yeah am rebooting now Oct 17 22:47:32 dwc-: i've occassionally wondered about this, but don't imagine that anything non-luna can take up ram.. maybe i should imagine harder (hope not! rebooting are dumb) Oct 17 22:47:36 rebooting never fixes webos =] Oct 17 22:48:19 dwc-: oh i think i found the problem, when i reboot there's this penguin with a screwdriver to a phone, but this is a touchpad. the penguin is doing the wrong thing(s).. Oct 17 22:48:46 well, some services do Oct 17 22:48:52 (run outside of luna) Oct 17 22:49:59 hm, ejected my pre, but it hasn't screen updated to compensate.. (/media/internal is accessible via novaterm, hrmmm..!) Oct 17 22:50:24 be careful if you're modifying stuff via novaterm when it thinks it's in usb mode Oct 17 22:50:36 dwc-: I just want to leave usb mode :( Oct 17 22:50:42 Personally, I like when the Photos app tells you that you need to unmount the USB drive before you can view them. :T Oct 17 22:52:39 wrea: Installed'em, rebooting now for shiats and giggles Oct 17 22:53:05 hrm, maybe it's not ejected after all, weird Oct 17 22:53:15 sineot: I think that triggers the media indexer scan Oct 17 22:53:32 oh no, it was Oct 17 22:55:50 oh my, 3rd un/mount's the charm! Oct 17 22:56:39 dwc-: after rebooting the tp, all these apps installed.. maybe there was some issues after all! Oct 17 22:57:22 dwc-: you shouldn't be able to be in the Photos app with USB mounted though :p Oct 17 22:57:31 SineOt: this is what i was wondering!! Oct 17 22:57:36 wrea: Hmm, it doesn't autodetect the driver Oct 17 22:58:16 ajay: obviously at some point it was planned to let you still use things with USB mounted but I guess it never went anywhere Oct 17 22:58:39 I've managed to get it tripped up once or twice though so that it displays the "Please unmount the USB drive from your computer" error messages in Photos and Music. Oct 17 22:58:44 will have to remember this experience. i usually assume i have to shutdown/reboot to get it unmounted Oct 17 22:58:55 yeah, you'll need to modprobe it Oct 17 22:59:37 wrea: Getting 'module not found' errors when I modprobe Oct 17 22:59:42 even with full paths. wtf? Oct 17 22:59:48 chmod, maybe? Oct 17 22:59:51 run depmod Oct 17 23:00:18 read-only file system Oct 17 23:00:25 grr. Oct 17 23:00:33 rootfs_open Oct 17 23:00:33 now where's that re-mount string.. Oct 17 23:02:39 sinot: should! but... there's probably ways to exit usb mode without having the media indexer fix things Oct 17 23:02:48 it probably compares mtimes to the db or something Oct 17 23:03:29 great, the touchpad doesn't want to unmount either.. sigh.. Oct 17 23:03:36 (oops, spoke too soon :) Oct 17 23:03:40 ... like if the media indexer died! (which it NEVER does! *cough*) Oct 17 23:04:00 wrea: depmod -v gives me this: http://pastebin.com/xq31bYzv That normal? Oct 17 23:04:09 Sorry, kernel modules aren't my thing, really. Oct 17 23:04:19 I mean, beyond modprobing a .ko :p Oct 17 23:06:38 Have you modprobe'd after running depmod? Oct 17 23:07:53 modprobe rt2500usb should work Oct 17 23:09:22 not found :x Oct 17 23:09:30 see yaz.. Oct 17 23:09:35 bye Oct 17 23:10:49 hmm Oct 17 23:10:55 lemme try a different method Oct 17 23:29:07 I'm noticing really low signal strength on my Pre3 compared to my Veer. Has this been the experience of other UK Pre3 owners? Oct 17 23:33:46 http://i.imgur.com/92Ble.jpg Oct 17 23:34:00 cellular or wifi? Oct 17 23:34:41 Tibfib_, rofl Oct 17 23:35:41 aand the tweet that accompanied it: "Everything that is wrong with one-way rating/review systems summed up in one image:" Oct 17 23:37:17 Tibfib_ rofl Oct 17 23:40:04 I'm reading a nice post on precentral explaining the differences in mHz and how that effects coverage. Oct 17 23:41:45 nohorse tis due to the uk pre3 missing a band. Oct 17 23:43:34 It seemed to be working fine on my trip to Portland this weekend. Now I'm down in Eugene at work and just get 2 little bars from my desk. I'll be really interested to see how it does at my house out in the woods. Oct 17 23:45:19 signal strength for voice or for 3g? the voice coverage should be identical Oct 17 23:46:07 (skype support ticket filed to request skype app for carriers other than AT&T) Oct 17 23:46:21 I'm just counting bars. I don;t know how to tell the difference. is there an app for that? Oct 17 23:46:59 not sure... mine never gets 3g =] Oct 17 23:50:00 * halfhalo has fake-gees Oct 17 23:50:49 * Shadyman has UTMS or HPSA Oct 17 23:51:00 I actually might switch back and forth. the veer is small and I can use it nicely with one hand. the Pre3 is cartoonishly huge in comparrison. The big screen is much better for doing "smart" things with the smartphone, but it's a two-handed experience. Oct 17 23:51:00 I'm still adjusting, but I'm glad I have the veer for backup. Oct 17 23:51:27 i used to carry both a veer and pre2 at the same time, now just have the pre3 Oct 17 23:51:38 and the sammy focus for music. Oct 17 23:52:05 SMS sharing is awesome. I really hope the pre3 works at my house. I'll find out soon. Oct 17 23:53:59 I'm reading that I can downgrade to the $15 unlimited data plan. has anyone tried this? Oct 17 23:58:07 * dwc- has edge or gprs Oct 17 23:58:27 thats that one thing thats horribly slow, right? Oct 17 23:59:16 tmobile edge isn't too bad... unless you're trying to stream. Fixed location, I can get ~200-250kbps Oct 17 23:59:42 downside is can't data + voice Oct 18 00:00:29 being on tmo isn't going to get me 3g, so it's either $5 edge or nothing Oct 18 00:01:37 * halfhalo is pulling 4Mbps down and 1 up Oct 18 00:02:29 under ze ground Oct 18 00:03:55 * Shadyman is pulling 53Mbps down and 1 up Oct 18 00:03:57 On cable :p Oct 18 00:04:37 meh Oct 18 00:04:41 Though, not like I'd ever see that speed anywhere interesting. Oct 18 00:04:52 * halfhalo fires up speedtest over wifi Oct 18 00:05:20 * Shadyman shivers. Oct 18 00:05:45 awww.... being throttled... Oct 18 00:06:01 only 17 down Oct 18 00:06:08 40 up though Oct 18 00:06:54 * halfhalo has http://speedtest.net/result/1471321972.png at work tho. Oct 18 00:08:09 only limited by that damn pesky 100Mb port in the wall Oct 18 00:13:34 holy hell, I just discovered the "quick add" box on Google Calendar. That -must- be built into just type. Oct 18 00:15:23 * dwc- has a 1000Mb port on the switch Oct 18 00:16:09 my speedtest only went up to 90.52, but was still increasing when the test finished... Oct 18 00:20:13 WEINERS! Oct 18 00:20:28 having weiner envy? Oct 18 00:20:31 lol Oct 18 00:21:13 http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305818_226405560745330_212600212125865_614882_4110242_n.jpg Oct 18 00:21:30 lol Oct 18 00:58:05 net! split! Oct 18 01:04:31 how do i get a kmesg with novacom? Oct 18 01:40:05 if I'm gonna be reading a feed.. which is easier? JSON/XML? Oct 18 01:49:09 JSON. Oct 18 01:49:31 it can be converted directly into javascript objects Oct 18 01:51:22 Shadyman: thanks Oct 18 01:51:36 not sure I'll be able to use that API though :/ Oct 18 01:53:08 JSON.whatever? Oct 18 01:53:23 I assume he means the JSON api Oct 18 01:53:27 vs. an XML api Oct 18 01:54:10 ah Oct 18 01:55:41 summatusmentis: yep Oct 18 01:56:07 for weather Oct 18 01:59:25 PatrickC: JSON is infinitely easier Oct 18 01:59:37 Tibfib_: ok cool Oct 18 01:59:59 now.. to find an API that's good to use lol Oct 18 02:02:05 PatrickC: JSON.parse() Oct 18 02:02:06 i think is it Oct 18 02:03:23 that seems easy lol Oct 18 02:28:32 crap Oct 18 02:28:41 unusable psds FTL Oct 18 02:28:42 what? Oct 18 02:38:39 ewwwww... psd's Oct 18 02:40:16 shotophop Oct 18 02:41:24 real men use .gif's Oct 18 02:41:44 real men use RAW Oct 18 02:42:17 no, no they don't. its not animated Oct 18 02:42:33 real men manipulate individual photons into the pattern that most satisfies them Oct 18 02:43:53 Real men use butterflies Oct 18 02:43:58 >_> Oct 18 02:47:31 Oh NO you Di'n't! Oct 18 02:48:45 * halfhalo is waiting for his mobo to arrive tomorrow! then tis time to start going through his backlog of games... Oct 18 02:49:27 ice cream sandwich announcement tomorrow.. Oct 18 02:49:38 bah Oct 18 02:50:30 hmmm.... batman comes out tonight doesn't it... Oct 18 02:51:12 come on ice cream sandwich please suck less Oct 18 02:51:28 yeah Oct 18 02:51:32 I dread the "Awesome new features!!" Oct 18 02:51:37 "ads! on phone calls!" Oct 18 02:51:43 none of those awesome new features are Siri >:( Oct 18 02:51:52 or Oct 18 02:51:54 you know Oct 18 02:51:58 applications Oct 18 02:51:58 Siri will be totally forgotten in a couple months Oct 18 02:52:16 halfhalo: batman? like the new movie?? awesome Oct 18 02:52:24 batman the video game Oct 18 02:52:30 ummm... no, like the new game Oct 18 02:52:34 with the punching Oct 18 02:52:34 boo Oct 18 02:52:36 and the kicking Oct 18 02:52:37 seretogis: that multitouch thing was a fad too Oct 18 02:52:44 and the punching and kicking at the same time Oct 18 02:52:55 torchie: I have 10 finger multi touch on the touchpad running android Oct 18 02:53:04 people'll realize that these capacitive touchscreen phones just aren't capable email machines Oct 18 02:53:16 and they're gonna dump em on the spot and buy themselves a reliable windows mobile 6 pro device Oct 18 02:53:23 resistive ftw Oct 18 02:53:29 my friend was in awe when I was playing fruit ninja with 10 fingers haha Oct 18 02:53:54 eh Oct 18 02:54:02 Siri is not as much of a move forward as multitouc Oct 18 02:54:05 multitouch* Oct 18 02:54:11 I just hope ice cream sandwich will install on my device Oct 18 02:54:21 just like Google's voice integration. I *never* use it Oct 18 02:54:29 because google's voice recognition is balls Oct 18 02:54:43 no, because I don't want to *talk* to my *phone* Oct 18 02:54:50 lol Oct 18 02:54:59 lol Oct 18 02:55:28 Google's voice recognition is pretty good for me. I only use it in the car though. Oct 18 02:55:42 I don't drive, so I may not be the target market Oct 18 02:55:43 * PatrickC hasn't ever used it Oct 18 02:55:43 And seretogis, talking is what phones were originally for. ;) Oct 18 02:55:49 gingerbread is such a well architected operating system that I can't install a 200 KB app when I have 900 space left on /sdcard and 20 MB left on /media Oct 18 02:55:51 then again. I've had android for 72 hours haha Oct 18 02:55:53 thanks Market! Oct 18 02:55:57 Haha Oct 18 02:55:58 I know, but not really a smartphone anymore ;p Oct 18 02:56:01 vividboarder: yeah I mean it's reasonably capable Oct 18 02:56:07 it gets the talkwords from my mouth or whatever Oct 18 02:56:32 Yea? Oct 18 02:56:48 It generally works for sending texts and navigation. Oct 18 02:57:03 "Navigate to Trader Joes" and it will pull up the nearest and get me there. Oct 18 02:57:09 I'm wishing google translate's conversation mode was more natural Oct 18 02:57:18 like if the interface wasn't so clunky it'd be a hard mind blow Oct 18 02:57:24 "Call Pizza Hut" and it will call whatever for you. Oct 18 02:57:30 torchie, yea, it's kind of cool though. Oct 18 02:57:36 a bit Oct 18 02:57:44 I haevn't had a real need to use it... except playing around and testing myself on spanish. :P Oct 18 02:57:51 but generall the phone knows when you're done talking and google translate can detect languages Oct 18 02:58:25 so instead of making it so that you have to press a button, talk into it, hand it to some foreigner you don't know and tell him to press the button, talk to it, hand it to you Oct 18 02:58:40 I just wish WP7 wasn't becoming viable at such a slow pace Oct 18 02:58:42 they could have it constant-listen and you just like set it on a table or something Oct 18 02:58:55 well, at least, that's what I would wish if my wish that webOS came back from the dead wasn't granted Oct 18 02:58:58 torchie, that would be pretty awesome. Oct 18 02:58:58 yeah earlier today I was contemplating trading my nexus for an Arrive Oct 18 02:59:12 WP7 just isn't there yet Oct 18 02:59:18 then I remembered I was 60 days in and balls deep Oct 18 02:59:21 Nokia could do great things but I think it's still a year behind Oct 18 02:59:22 though there's always craigslist Oct 18 02:59:25 but it has a keyboard :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 18 02:59:57 2011