**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 20 02:59:57 2011 Oct 20 03:08:46 awh nvm it just a glitch w/ this app, not a glitch with webos =( Oct 20 03:19:10 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 20 03:19:56 cards up 1-0 Oct 20 03:21:24 hmm? Oct 20 03:28:22 cards rock! Oct 20 03:29:05 i prefer rock cards, to each his own i guess. Oct 20 03:29:28 MEX has an interesting critique of Android Beam -- Touch-To-Share is better, but it's still not perfect. Oct 20 03:29:35 http://www.mobileuserexperience.com/?p=1619 Oct 20 03:29:44 I like rock cods to rock cards Oct 20 03:31:37 wow Oct 20 03:31:46 i really read that wrong the first time i looked at that dwc- Oct 20 03:32:32 lol Oct 20 03:34:17 * dwc- wonders what that read as Oct 20 03:35:13 dwc-, really? you dont see that? Oct 20 03:35:35 The horse raced past the barn fell. Oct 20 03:56:38 re: android beam, I don't see how touch to share could be better in any way. Oct 20 03:56:50 you can only touch to share URLs, and only sometimes Oct 20 03:57:28 also with touch to share you have to pair w/ bluetooth Oct 20 04:01:01 nope, don't see it Oct 20 04:17:40 has anyone tried using any non maps enyo apps on 1.4.5 yet? Oct 20 04:18:19 i wonder what wirc-enyo would be like on a pixi :D Oct 20 04:20:10 rwatkins, ahh you have tested papermache on it right? Oct 20 04:21:10 hmmm Oct 20 04:21:18 might make freeTether 2.0 in enyo :D Oct 20 04:35:11 Hi Shadyman|TP Oct 20 04:35:24 yay wirc Oct 20 04:35:56 wait. 1.4.5? Oct 20 04:36:17 Oh Oct 20 04:38:56 hey all Oct 20 04:39:18 still getting that /bin/sh -r error Oct 20 04:40:23 save the output and post it somewhere? Oct 20 04:40:24 Weird Oct 20 04:41:08 Probably going to switch over to something other than wubi at some point Oct 20 04:41:38 wrea: what are you trying to do? Oct 20 04:41:42 Shui on Wails? Oct 20 04:41:46 Wubi* Oct 20 04:42:48 http://pastebin.com/1U68yEPn Oct 20 04:42:58 ^ That's what happens when I type on a bluetooth keyboard to the touchpad instead of the keyboard attached to my computer. TP isn't in my immediate line of sight. Durr. Oct 20 04:43:58 Going to yelling at palm on the phone tomorrow Oct 20 04:44:00 I also noticed that the TP bluetooth keyboard's Backspace button is labelled "Delete". Oct 20 04:44:09 Dear HP: You are not Mac. Oct 20 04:44:15 it dies that early? Oct 20 04:44:27 that doesn't look right Oct 20 04:44:32 CC should not be set to ...ld Oct 20 04:46:25 okay. thanks for pointing that out. I wasnt noticing that Oct 20 04:46:43 in the Makefile I had it as CC=LD=... Oct 20 04:46:51 PuffTheMagic: can't wait for enyo freeTether! Oct 20 04:46:53 typo Oct 20 04:47:16 gets past that error, now onto the others Oct 20 04:47:28 don't you love that? :P Oct 20 04:48:29 no, no i dont Oct 20 04:49:04 PuffTheMagic: yes, paper mache works fairly well on 1.4 and 2.1 Oct 20 04:50:00 there are a few minor things that break - fetchAppInfo returns a string, not an object on 1.x Oct 20 04:50:03 ROAR :D Oct 20 04:51:43 and there is a 1.x/2.x specific rendering issue related to toolbars with buttons and groups in them that I havent resolved yet. Oct 20 04:53:42 anyone looked at this weeks app hack? Does Enyo Application events actually fire for onAcceleration, or is Josh just quietly glossing over that issue? Oct 20 04:54:25 he links to the Enyo docs, but its ... not in the docs there. Oct 20 04:56:17 wait.. someone was actually thinking when they wrote the enyo docs? lol Oct 20 04:56:27 * PatrickC has a hard time understanding them :P Oct 20 04:56:39 the enyo API docs are auto generated from the code. Oct 20 04:57:02 those.. its impossible to understand :P Oct 20 04:58:03 they're fine if you want to look something up in the API, they're not intended to teach you the API. Oct 20 04:58:25 true Oct 20 05:00:43 I'm off to bed. night all Oct 20 05:01:37 Shadyman, try kismet since last time? Oct 20 05:02:45 nop Oct 20 05:14:52 great, go to doctor to new production version .. doctor stuck at 0% then window goes black. safe to unplug? Oct 20 05:23:32 depends what the console log says. you did run the doctor from the command line, right? Oct 20 05:24:03 no I ran I double clicked the HP provided JAR file Oct 20 05:24:26 ah, flying blind. Oct 20 05:25:29 haeffb: nah, we took our daughter to see her favorite band, but I was able to see that the Rangers lost Oct 20 05:25:52 seems to be working now running from OSX. The windows tools just suck. Oct 20 05:29:25 I've doctored from windows multiple times Oct 20 05:29:41 i have as well, but it just seems less reliable. Oct 20 05:30:18 novacom stuff, just more .. flakey Oct 20 05:58:49 Get one error patched up and another one crops up Oct 20 06:30:45 wrea, welcome to coding! Oct 20 06:31:07 :P Oct 20 06:36:46 ka6sox: did you see my mention of the captcha perms on the wiki? Oct 20 06:37:15 dwc-, nope Oct 20 06:37:20 when, where? Oct 20 06:38:49 webos-internals Oct 20 06:40:40 ~12h ago, maybe? Oct 20 06:41:10 my mediawiki is weak but it sorta looks like humans have a different permission than the rest of you special people Oct 20 06:43:35 human is the lowest level, editors are next and admins top. Oct 20 06:44:16 what were you trying to do? delete a page? Oct 20 06:49:04 dwc-, is this an issue? Oct 20 06:58:14 you were trying to debug that captcha being required part? Oct 20 06:58:39 under human: # skipcaptha (skipcaptha) Oct 20 06:58:51 vs on the others: # Perform captcha triggering actions without having to go through the captcha (skipcaptcha) Oct 20 07:01:02 hello Oct 20 07:02:38 dwc-, captcha is for "new" or "autoconfirmed" users and they dont' have edit privs Oct 20 07:03:14 only human or above do. Oct 20 07:04:03 yes, but human still gets captcha'd Oct 20 07:04:19 and "skipcaptha" looks like a typo Oct 20 07:04:27 so I was just wondering if that was it Oct 20 07:04:50 okay, let me look...jas Oct 20 07:04:56 meet me in #webos-internals Oct 20 07:11:25 i need to return a touchpad to stock, will running webos doctor remove ubuntu chroot and kernels, etc? Oct 20 07:20:55 discord: I'd imagine. If not, then just do a "full erase". Oct 20 07:21:03 It's in Settings under... Oct 20 07:21:26 Device Info > Reset Options Oct 20 07:21:53 Note the big giant red buttons. There be dragons. Oct 20 07:22:09 Push at your own risk :p Oct 20 07:22:56 (That was how we re-installed the demos on the store units if a restart didn't work... Full erase and it'd reinstall itself) Oct 20 07:23:01 Fun fact of the day. Oct 20 07:24:32 Funner fact: The store units were likely going to be upgraded to 3.0.2 with some type of USB dongle (Or, I guess, a laptop with a Demo-esque Doctor). Unfortunately, that didn't pan out. Oct 20 07:25:03 I was even in line to get my hands on my boss's dongle or whatever it was they were going to give him. I was only curious about USB Host possibilities, of course :P Oct 20 07:26:24 More specifically host-powered USB Host capabilities Oct 20 08:06:55 guys, is ther app that plays videos with subtitles? Oct 20 08:09:25 touchplayer might, now that it uses mplayer Oct 20 08:23:22 dwc-: app catalog or preware? Oct 20 14:13:38 morning all Oct 20 14:18:26 PatrickC hi Oct 20 14:18:54 how's it goin panel? Oct 20 14:36:30 PatrickC very busy :( Oct 20 14:36:37 I don't like my job Oct 20 14:36:49 what is your job? Oct 20 14:37:04 programmer Oct 20 14:37:05 :) Oct 20 14:37:33 hehe Oct 20 14:37:44 so you would like to not program? Oct 20 14:38:28 lol Oct 20 14:38:32 but now after 4 years in one company, I'm suck, I'm not learning new Oct 20 14:38:51 oki that sucks Oct 20 14:39:00 is it not very inovative? Oct 20 14:39:11 what language du you use? Oct 20 14:39:48 what company? Oct 20 14:40:30 hotdp php/postgres/java/javascript .... etc Oct 20 14:40:35 PatrickC ringier Oct 20 14:40:58 Swiz? Oct 20 14:41:05 slovakia Oct 20 14:41:09 oki Oct 20 14:42:13 panel: push the limmit :D Oct 20 14:42:36 complain and tell that you would like more challenges Oct 20 14:42:46 :) that's reason why I started to "learn" webos Oct 20 14:42:59 :S Oct 20 14:43:06 that will not make your job better`? Oct 20 14:43:36 no, but I'm relaxing :) here in work it's too stressfull Oct 20 14:46:08 I have to change it, because I had some sessions with my boss and it will not change in near future Oct 20 14:46:23 everything is only money Oct 20 14:46:41 for this company Oct 20 14:46:51 lol Oct 20 14:46:57 isnt it always? Oct 20 14:47:33 but a happy worker is a better worker Oct 20 14:48:12 your boss should know that Oct 20 14:48:24 how do businesses make a the so much money Oct 20 14:51:06 here are lot of people talkting to my work, even they didn't understand my work Oct 20 14:52:03 but, I'm finding other ways, than work, to be happy :) Oct 20 14:52:15 life is beautifull Oct 20 14:54:05 and i'm really impressed with this community :) Oct 20 15:00:03 hotdp and what's your work ? Oct 20 15:00:20 klausa: neither. removed from P|C feeds Oct 20 15:03:48 panel: i am a programmer as well Oct 20 15:03:57 I started with advanced webshops Oct 20 15:04:10 But i am now in charge of mobile app/website development Oct 20 15:05:02 yes, future is mobile Oct 20 15:05:15 yer ;) Oct 20 15:07:49 I want to look at android devices too, but I don't like it :/ Oct 20 15:09:05 hehe i create for ios and android Oct 20 15:09:17 android 4.0 looks ok Oct 20 15:11:10 android 4.0 looks better Oct 20 15:11:16 I'm still not sure "good" Oct 20 15:11:24 yeah Oct 20 15:11:30 I like it but I know I'm not supposed to Oct 20 15:12:25 android 4 and ios 5 makes it easyer to leave the sinking ship (webos) Oct 20 15:12:56 yeah I'm hoping ICS makes my NS suck a bit less Oct 20 15:13:03 NS? Oct 20 15:13:26 ICS`? Oct 20 15:13:38 Nexus S Oct 20 15:13:38 android 4 Oct 20 15:13:42 Ice Cream Sandwich Oct 20 15:13:53 Internet connection sharing Oct 20 15:13:59 network sharing Oct 20 15:14:09 internet connection sharing android 4 for network sharing Oct 20 15:14:13 yer ice cream looks OK Oct 20 15:14:14 ns = nationalsozialisten Oct 20 15:14:17 what ? :)) Oct 20 15:14:18 aww thats just mean Oct 20 15:14:18 I might actually pick up a Nexus S, ICS looks "nice enough" Oct 20 15:14:22 Altså nokia 800 looks OK Oct 20 15:14:29 but win has to many things missing Oct 20 15:14:35 summatusmentis have you buyed it ? Oct 20 15:14:45 panel: no, I'm still using a pre2 Oct 20 15:14:49 I've had one for about 2 months now Oct 20 15:15:01 it's Oct 20 15:15:02 well Oct 20 15:15:04 it's android Oct 20 15:15:15 my friend buyed it last week, nice phone for very good price Oct 20 15:15:31 yeah I recommend if you're not getting nexus 3 go for S Oct 20 15:16:02 I have a Nexus S - love the form factor Oct 20 15:17:12 I'm not switching carriers for a 4.6" screen Oct 20 15:17:14 but I think the higher resolution display for the Galaxy Nexus would be nice. Oct 20 15:17:14 that's ridiculous Oct 20 15:17:53 yeah it's a hard sell Oct 20 15:17:55 on one hand Oct 20 15:17:56 it's beast Oct 20 15:17:57 and it's a nexus Oct 20 15:17:59 on the other hand Oct 20 15:18:03 it's just unreasonably large Oct 20 15:18:15 sometimes I feel like my S is a little too big Oct 20 15:18:23 I sorta feel like the S is too big also Oct 20 15:18:33 but tolerably so Oct 20 15:18:39 torchie little or big ? ;) Oct 20 15:18:46 it's decently sized until you see someone with an iphone4 in the distance Oct 20 15:18:47 I have fairly big hands so its not an issue for me. Oct 20 15:19:06 and then it's like dang i wish mine was that thin and compact and hard edged Oct 20 15:19:13 torchie: exactly Oct 20 15:19:34 I'm at this point where it's like screw everything ever, next phone's an iphone Oct 20 15:19:41 hopefully they keep a hard edged design for the 6 Oct 20 15:19:50 why hard edged? just so you can stand it up? Oct 20 15:19:53 yes Oct 20 15:19:57 just like with my treo pro Oct 20 15:20:25 torchie: I'm almost there too, trying really hard to wait a while Oct 20 15:20:33 I shouldn't spend the money Oct 20 15:20:54 yeah I renewed my contract with on free nexus S day Oct 20 15:28:51 I'm on an old SERO plan, sprint won't let me get an iPhone unless I switch plans Oct 20 15:29:00 but I expect that's true for everything Oct 20 15:29:50 I heard SERO plans were being canned, even grandfathered Oct 20 15:33:40 yeah I don't think sprint wants their hail mary all on sero Oct 20 15:36:32 Khaytsus: I don't think they can cancel you outrigth Oct 20 15:36:46 but I would believe that they won't let you upgrade phones Oct 20 15:36:57 summatusmentis: If you never change anything about your plan or get a new phone... Oct 20 15:37:01 can you even buy Sprint phones outright? Oct 20 15:38:24 you can Oct 20 15:42:35 hotdp: you're heading to senchacon, right? Oct 20 15:54:01 freeTether-enyo has been started :D Oct 20 15:54:38 WOO!!! Oct 20 15:55:31 PuffTheMagic: I'll def. help beta/alpha test if you are gonna do private (not preware feed) testing :) Oct 20 15:56:27 you have one of those stupid pre3's Oct 20 15:56:35 dont need you reporting all sorts of crazy bugs i cant fix Oct 20 15:56:50 lol Oct 20 15:56:56 just need to decide if im gonna emulate the old layout or go with something new Oct 20 15:57:06 I like the old layout Oct 20 15:57:09 i know people want me to add support for using "tethered" data plans Oct 20 15:57:13 so that means adding a new toggle Oct 20 15:57:22 "tethered" data plans? Oct 20 15:57:33 like where they only have X amount of data? Oct 20 15:57:46 ya, where they have tethered and phone data Oct 20 15:58:07 ah Oct 20 15:58:17 * PatrickC has sprint *everything* data :) Oct 20 15:58:38 PatrickC: and I bet you sprint doesn't know you're tethering Oct 20 15:58:48 and would be unhappy to find out Oct 20 15:58:52 probably not Oct 20 15:58:57 sprint doesnt know i ued 20gig tethered last month :D Oct 20 15:59:03 haha Oct 20 15:59:09 holy crap Oct 20 15:59:13 This is why we can't have nice things. Oct 20 15:59:15 summatusmentis: my sprint reps know I use freeTether Oct 20 15:59:22 Khaytsus, no its not Oct 20 15:59:27 that's a lot of gigs Oct 20 15:59:34 Idiots tethering 20g of data a month fucks it for everyone using it for sane reasons. Oct 20 15:59:38 * PatrickC checks pre3's net usage Oct 20 15:59:56 Khaytsus, what does it fuck up, do u see them taking away unlimited? no Oct 20 15:59:58 is 29.4 GB a lot? Oct 20 16:00:00 :P Oct 20 16:00:09 eh?? All carriers have taken away unlimited data. Oct 20 16:00:18 not sprint Oct 20 16:00:22 sprint hasnt Oct 20 16:00:22 and im on sprint Oct 20 16:00:22 YET Oct 20 16:00:27 It _will_ come. Oct 20 16:00:29 sprint wont Oct 20 16:00:58 Khaytsus, quit your bellyaching Oct 20 16:01:02 Denial isn't just a river. Oct 20 16:01:02 gien that they keep marketing that they don't have limited dat Oct 20 16:01:05 data* Oct 20 16:01:14 Khaytsus, you sounds like u switched away from sprint to follow a phone and are now jealous Oct 20 16:01:46 Oh, here we go. You don't $x so you're jealous. Oct 20 16:02:02 No, never used Sprint. It sucks balls here. Oct 20 16:02:03 * PatrickC thought about that. looked at data usage. decided against it :P Oct 20 16:02:39 And I'm not jealous of unlimited data. I have no reaosn to use 20G of data a month on my phone. Oct 20 16:02:48 if the future of webos was a little more certain, i might entertain the idea of moving elsewhere Oct 20 16:02:50 I use maybe 600-700m Oct 20 16:03:02 Khaytsus, that was on our plan total, 4 phones, not just me Oct 20 16:03:10 if that makes u feel any better Oct 20 16:03:39 Oh this isn't about my 'feelings", it's about the .01% of stupidly high data users who screw the pooch for the other 99.999% of data users. Oct 20 16:03:59 your numbers don't add up Oct 20 16:04:04 lol Oct 20 16:04:13 What was it I read once, something like 1% of users on $someprovider uses as much data s the other 99% Oct 20 16:04:28 you now have 100.009% Oct 20 16:04:47 Khaytsus, its the 99% of people that dont tether much that allows the carriers to get away with it Oct 20 16:04:50 summatusmentis: Eat a hot bowl of dicks, eh? Oct 20 16:04:51 OCCUPY SPRINT Oct 20 16:05:01 carriers are not doing it to punish the 1% Oct 20 16:05:06 Khaytsus: just being trolly, no need to be hostile Oct 20 16:05:07 they are doing it to exploit the 99% Oct 20 16:05:18 summatusmentis: You're always trolling, thus my hot bowl of dicks offer Oct 20 16:06:12 * PuffTheMagic passes summatusmentis a spoon for his bowl of dicks Oct 20 16:06:22 mmmmm, dicks. Oct 20 16:07:20 but non-unlimited data plans exists to exploit the masses, not to punish the few Oct 20 16:07:46 I mean, bandwidth capacity is a real issue Oct 20 16:07:58 wait Oct 20 16:08:06 what if cell phone carriers are analogous to wallstreet Oct 20 16:08:08 and it's certainly possible their networks can't handle all users on unlimited bandwidth Oct 20 16:08:30 true Oct 20 16:08:45 summatusmentis, right, but like Khaytsus said, its only a very small portion of people that use any significant amount of data Oct 20 16:08:53 that's fine Oct 20 16:08:57 so thats not the issue Oct 20 16:08:59 * PatrickC raises hand Oct 20 16:09:01 what? how is it exploiting if the altenative is to charge everyone, inluding them, more? Oct 20 16:09:06 its not a "no more bw issue Oct 20 16:09:07 " Oct 20 16:09:30 dwc-: "charge everyone more" Oct 20 16:10:11 dwc-, if 99% of people hardly uses any data they are less likely to throw a fit if unlimited data goes away Oct 20 16:10:22 thats is how they are exploiting them Oct 20 16:10:57 seems more like limiting them to paying for heir fair share, to me Oct 20 16:11:16 * dwc- is part of the 99% Oct 20 16:11:16 honestly? the providers need to be honest about what you pay for, and they need to be reasonable about pricing Oct 20 16:11:32 dwc-, fair share is unlimited as it as at sprint :D Oct 20 16:11:41 (easy on 2.5g) Oct 20 16:11:49 flat fees don't work in the tax code, and they don't wor for bandwitch >_> Oct 20 16:11:51 why should I pay to subsidize the 1%? Oct 20 16:12:05 because THAT'S HOW SOCIETY WORKS! Oct 20 16:12:05 because they're the movers and shakers Oct 20 16:12:07 I suggest the top 1% pay more for their data than the rest of us Oct 20 16:12:07 dwc-, u dont on sprint Oct 20 16:12:08 the people who DO. Oct 20 16:12:12 don't you listen to Fox News? Oct 20 16:12:15 you just gotta get ready Oct 20 16:12:20 and when you're getting ready to get ready Oct 20 16:12:29 you get ready with data caps Oct 20 16:12:33 dwc-: pull yourself up by your bootstraps and become part of the 1% Oct 20 16:12:41 you guys hear about the 53%? Oct 20 16:12:44 the real issue is that you're lazy :) Oct 20 16:12:48 torchie: ugh, yes Oct 20 16:12:49 amen! Oct 20 16:12:56 flags! Oct 20 16:12:58 lol @summ Oct 20 16:12:59 soldiers! Oct 20 16:13:12 people holding up signs that say "yeah I came to america on a plank of wood and worked 90 hour weeks" Oct 20 16:13:19 "yall just lazy" Oct 20 16:13:45 "petulant chidlrend" that just "need someone to tell them how society works" Oct 20 16:14:07 it would almost be worth it for mass chaotic riots JUST to see theFox News crew drawn and quartered Oct 20 16:14:33 torchie: their argument is sort of fundamentally flawed. "My life is crappy too, quit whining" Oct 20 16:14:38 which is decidedly not the point Oct 20 16:15:00 like, look at poor Leo Apotheker....the guy only got $12 million for tanking HP that hard Oct 20 16:15:03 give the guy a break Oct 20 16:15:05 I saw a bumper sticker recently that said "If all the news you're seeing is crazy, stop watching Fox" Oct 20 16:15:57 Khaytsus: but Fox News is the only fair and balanced news network. It says so right in their ad. Plus, all the other networks are part of the liberal media and/or are Satanists Oct 20 16:16:07 unfortunately, we hold Fox News out as a valid source for news Oct 20 16:16:30 sugardave: only Satanists are part of the liberal media, after all Oct 20 16:16:30 "we" who, kemosabe? :P Oct 20 16:17:01 "society" Oct 20 16:17:05 also, kemosabe? Oct 20 16:17:11 I've heard that, what is it? Oct 20 16:17:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ke-mo_sah-bee ? Oct 20 16:17:57 actually it was granted to them in the lawsuit they won that basically precedented that you don't actually have to tell the truth in order to call yourself a news network Oct 20 16:18:19 summatusmentis: it's the punch line from an old joke I can't remember :D plus, that's what Tonto always called the Lone Ranger Oct 20 16:18:21 heya! Oct 20 16:19:10 how do i find out what build of webOS I'm running? Oct 20 16:19:20 device info Oct 20 16:19:29 then tap the webos 3.0.x line and it will show you the build Oct 20 16:19:53 sugardave: oh nice! :) (actually the 2.x line but yeah same diff :) Oct 20 16:20:01 oh, yeah :D Oct 20 16:20:28 phew, i'm running an old build.. doctoring here we come! Oct 20 16:20:50 (The vzPre3 screen blanks.. it's very annoying! hope it's fixed in the newest build anyways!) Oct 20 16:21:22 I didn't get a vzw one...now I have to probably switch to ATT...woo Oct 20 16:22:10 sugardave: hm, you're not the only one who hasn't gotten a vzPre3 in palm, and i'm confused, because there's clearly been more that have come out. (though not from the store, so not sure from where) Oct 20 16:24:31 more since when, based on what? Oct 20 16:24:51 http://vimeo.com/30578363 - iPhone 4S video Oct 20 16:24:59 that looks sweet Oct 20 16:25:13 DarkdowN: well, I got mine for $75 so I'm not complaining too much :) Oct 20 16:25:39 sugardave: Palm store? Oct 20 16:25:41 and ajay, answer my email? Oct 20 16:26:10 sugardave: well sure me too, but it'd be nice to have one for your carrier! Oct 20 16:26:30 dwc-: oh! sorry been quite distracted.. are you in a hurry to unlock your veer? Oct 20 16:27:22 no, but you seemed to be implying there was a deadline of sorts Oct 20 16:27:39 sugardave: oh, Lone Ranger Oct 20 16:27:46 I think that's way before my time Oct 20 16:28:02 damn FT-enyo looks sharp Oct 20 16:28:53 someone's been busy? Oct 20 16:29:06 i just started Oct 20 16:29:14 but enyo is just slicker looking Oct 20 16:29:17 rwatkins, ping Oct 20 16:29:39 dwc-: oh the deadline was like weeks ago, so no worries there.. i have like 10-15 extra unlocks to drop, but hoping to figure out what i'm doing w/ my extra veers before i let them go Oct 20 16:30:07 unlocks? Oct 20 16:30:11 * DarkdowN says to remember the adage "a watched doctor never boils" Oct 20 16:30:48 to get your unlock code. It seems most valuable for the Veer crowd right now, since those seem the hardest to get codes for Oct 20 16:31:09 (that was to puff) Oct 20 16:31:18 i have a veer that is yet to be unlocked Oct 20 16:31:26 also have no sim card Oct 20 16:31:28 :/ Oct 20 16:31:30 heh Oct 20 16:31:54 it seems like activating with an ATT SIM is _real_ important, so i'd definitely do that first of all.. Oct 20 16:32:27 PuffTheMagic: me too Oct 20 16:32:29 what diffs have you found in the veer catalog Oct 20 16:32:42 sim card is like 6 dollars :D Oct 20 16:32:44 I know skype on the pre3 Oct 20 16:32:45 is there really no way to activate without an ATT sim? Oct 20 16:32:56 dwc-: I haven't looked, but i assumed it would be the same Oct 20 16:32:57 get a prepaid card with like 5 min Oct 20 16:32:59 PuffTheMagic: yeah, but you need the data on don't you? Oct 20 16:33:13 summ: should be possible with a patch to impostah Oct 20 16:33:15 you can probably activate over wifi? Oct 20 16:33:25 but with the att sim in of course Oct 20 16:33:30 but I have no unactivated devices I could test with Oct 20 16:33:34 humm Oct 20 16:33:48 when I decide to do that, I'll look into it Oct 20 16:33:52 summatusmentis: you can activate w/o att sim, but you will likely be missing apps Oct 20 16:34:10 which ones? Oct 20 16:34:15 there's' already a facilit in impostah to override carrier code Oct 20 16:34:15 anything I'd care about? Oct 20 16:34:19 dwc-: man i know _so_ many people w/ pre3s that are having hella appcat probs Oct 20 16:34:29 but for us activations it doesnt set one Oct 20 16:34:33 US Oct 20 16:34:43 summatusmentis: there's no compiled list that i know of, but i figure, if it's easy to not miss apps, that's the best path Oct 20 16:34:56 (well, maybe not totally easy, but! :) Oct 20 16:35:00 but aparently we have vz sprint att and other here Oct 20 16:35:28 dwc-: did you ask rod if they were going to add that functionality to impostah? Oct 20 16:35:35 i bet that was what we were supposed to corner him about last week! Oct 20 16:36:09 I did... Id submitted a patch to set att... thats when he told me about the others Oct 20 16:36:38 patch is easy, testing not as much and I have no devices to potentially sacrifice Oct 20 16:37:40 I couldnt get an exact answer from Lisa about what is added/missing from the ATT catalog Oct 20 16:38:14 or Id say all US gsm should be at Oct 20 16:38:31 but it seems like allowing the user to select might be the best Oct 20 16:38:51 dwc-: hrmm.. i _might_ have a device to test with Oct 20 16:39:31 * DarkdowN never knew that having 3 palm accounts would be important/useful Oct 20 16:40:21 lisa aso suggested that making a new profile might help, but I tried that, and no Oct 20 16:40:58 afaict it's still only using the code from first activation Oct 20 16:41:35 dwc-: that seems reasonable Oct 20 16:41:55 dwc-: harass me later and i should figure out which pre3/veer i can afford to sacrifice to the activation gods.. Oct 20 16:42:18 (assuming a test is needed before it can be mainstream) Oct 20 16:42:39 dwc-: exciting news though!! I activated my VzPre3 over wifi (w/ no active cell connection?) and i see skype Oct 20 16:42:50 if only I were in a jurisdiction where I could change the deviceid legally for research/testing purposes Oct 20 16:43:12 oh wait, with Vz you're always on the network, so i must be activated to the Vz Appcat, even though the phone didn't have service Oct 20 16:43:24 in the catalog? doesnt the vz come with skype on device? Oct 20 16:43:25 dwc-: just leave the country for a few minutes? :) Oct 20 16:43:33 dwc-: it does.. and it's in the AC! Oct 20 16:43:42 weird huh? come to think.. Oct 20 16:44:37 tbh other than skype Oct 20 16:44:43 I on't know wjat else is diff Oct 20 16:44:57 between att and other-gsm Oct 20 16:45:28 if thats the only significant diff Oct 20 16:46:02 maybe it's not all that useful and we should just try to get skype to remove the carriers restriction Oct 20 16:46:35 (I submitted one support ticket for that - got basically form reply back) Oct 20 16:46:41 shit! newest doctor (1218) and the Vz Model _still_ blanks the screen when i try to do anything!! :( Oct 20 16:46:52 s/anything/call Oct 20 16:47:44 this makes it slightly useless Oct 20 16:48:24 so Ibe been urious Oct 20 16:49:10 can you put an att sim in the vzw and have it work here on gsm? (minus 3g of course) Oct 20 16:57:27 Hi everyone, i have a question about webos Oct 20 16:57:40 ok Oct 20 16:57:43 ask :) Oct 20 16:57:59 i have a touchpad, and if i wanted it completely emptied, to the state it was when it left the factory? What would be my best options? Secure Full Erase right? Oct 20 16:58:11 it would delete the media partion and all the settings in the os itself? Oct 20 16:59:03 secure full erase + doctor would put it back to *full* factory settings Oct 20 16:59:09 damn now the phone won't respond at all.. if this vzPre3 wasn't so valuable i'd throw it against a wall Oct 20 16:59:17 full erase would probably be fine Oct 20 16:59:23 secure full erase is more if you had data on there that was important that other people didn't have Oct 20 16:59:34 HattCzech_work: that doesn't remove patches/etc. Oct 20 16:59:35 if it's apps or something, not too important IMO Oct 20 16:59:39 doctor needed for that Oct 20 16:59:43 valid point Oct 20 16:59:51 secure full erase with a doctor Oct 20 16:59:55 yep Oct 20 16:59:57 :) Oct 20 16:59:57 is the most hardcore Oct 20 17:00:06 thanks, then i'll do a doctor after my erase is complete =) Oct 20 17:00:06 but full erase with doctor is probably fine Oct 20 17:00:38 damn, did you realize that palm stores browser cookies in the cloud too?? disturbing.. Oct 20 17:00:50 i chose the hardcore option ;) Oct 20 17:00:50 yep Oct 20 17:00:52 all cookies Oct 20 17:00:56 PatrickC: do you know if the original doctor will remove the ext3 partition from a meta-doctor? Oct 20 17:01:12 it won't Oct 20 17:01:20 that has to be manually removed Oct 20 17:01:26 did 3.0.4 break the virtual keyboard mappings under xecutah for anyone else? Oct 20 17:01:39 so how would one restore a touchpad to it's original state after installing an ext3 partition? Oct 20 17:01:41 tab gives me a '9' in xterm now :( Oct 20 17:01:50 jcerwinske: let me check Oct 20 17:01:52 another thing i thought about, is it possible to access the media partition without activating webos at all? Oct 20 17:02:00 jcerwinske: that's a #webos-internals Oct 20 17:02:11 Backeby: not afaik Oct 20 17:02:21 jcerwinske: there's a fix for that in the alpha feeds, just wait a bit Oct 20 17:02:25 jcerwinske: that has been fixed. in alpha testing I believe Oct 20 17:02:41 word, thanks gents Oct 20 17:03:19 dwc-: just Oct 20 17:03:28 wondering, are you a wosi member?* Oct 20 17:04:12 when was enyo.LabeledContainer added Oct 20 17:04:20 what's it do? Oct 20 17:04:24 and maybe 3.0.4? Oct 20 17:06:10 not as far as I know, no Oct 20 17:06:32 just wondering. as you do a lot of stuff with them it seems :) Oct 20 17:06:40 I do? Oct 20 17:07:05 well, with wIRC, and just helping direct people in the right direction Oct 20 17:10:04 one doesn't need to be part of a group to try to help people Oct 20 17:13:54 and yes, I try to submit patches for wirc to fix things I don't like :) Oct 20 17:14:28 dwc-: we are only worth what the groups we are a part of are worth Oct 20 17:14:32 the individual has no value Oct 20 17:14:36 :-P Oct 20 17:15:50 lol Oct 20 17:16:29 bbl. lunch time Oct 20 17:18:51 how much are pre3s selling for these days? Oct 20 17:18:55 (att) Oct 20 17:19:41 not sure. check ebay. would be your best bet Oct 20 17:21:42 bout 225 Oct 20 17:22:37 slightly less on local craigslist Oct 20 17:24:19 huh. someone was willing to trade 10 for an iphone 4s? really? that had to have cost them $750... and be worth close to $1500 Oct 20 17:25:13 dwc-: damn, people be weird Oct 20 17:26:07 Tide on pixi is interesting Oct 20 17:26:27 shoot, i'll take that deal Oct 20 17:26:27 dwc-: someone would trade 10 pre3's for 1 iphone 4s? Oct 20 17:26:28 i can find a 4s pretty easily Oct 20 17:26:29 do i need to rename it to wIDE now ? Oct 20 17:27:21 i'll get him an iPhone 4s if that's the issue :) Oct 20 17:27:25 HattCzech_work: they're out of pre3s Oct 20 17:27:29 but here's the post -- http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mob/2657906347.html Oct 20 17:28:07 Lazar_Dobrescu: 225? Wow.. somebody just said they'd give me $150/ea for all my extras.. maybe i should hold out Oct 20 17:28:51 ajay, just check craigslist for the goign "local" price Oct 20 17:29:20 dwc-: which is lower than the ebay price, but there's so much competition locally Oct 20 17:29:42 oh, well, if this is an online sale, then yea, use the ebay price Oct 20 17:29:55 ebay has more of the shipping, hassle, fees, etc Oct 20 17:30:11 obviously if you sell many at a time it will be much lower Oct 20 17:30:20 Lazar_Dobrescu: oh! It's you, haha.. i msg you now :) Oct 20 17:30:21 since it's very likely that anyone buying wants to resell Oct 20 17:30:23 at the going price Oct 20 17:30:27 dwc-: but ebay takes credit cards :) Oct 20 17:30:45 it's not me who offered 150 each no Oct 20 17:30:46 I only want one :) Oct 20 17:30:55 one advantage over craigslist Oct 20 17:31:00 depends. Oct 20 17:31:06 there's a bulk advantage going both ways there Oct 20 17:31:16 the person who wants more can pay a bit more than trying to buy them 1 at a time Oct 20 17:31:19 but, same with the seller Oct 20 17:31:20 you'd think so, but there really isn't :) Oct 20 17:31:24 that never happens Oct 20 17:31:36 i got my pre3 for $92 ($17 was shipping) from my friend at hp Oct 20 17:31:49 sure it does. at least in some markets Oct 20 17:32:10 i paid £300 for my pre3, on the company plastic. followed by £230 refund from HP. Oct 20 17:32:15 if I need 1000 of an item in an online game, I'll pay more if someone has 250 of them, because theyr'e saving me time standing around trying to buy more :) Oct 20 17:35:44 * DarkdowN says usps.gov goes nowhere.. fail! Oct 20 17:37:52 works for me Oct 20 17:38:00 but fyi, usps isn't a gov :) Oct 20 17:39:18 dwc-: its not not a gov Oct 20 17:43:44 * DarkdowN imagines if the pre3 was released, it'd be available for $150-200 ON-contract Oct 20 17:44:15 s/it'd/it'd've been/ Oct 20 17:45:32 i think that's what i'd expect as well Oct 20 17:45:37 and i still want one... for sprint :) Oct 20 17:46:30 HattCzech_work: you just need to meet some l33t hckrs.. :) Oct 20 17:46:47 * DarkdowN has the software, but not the knowledge Oct 20 17:50:26 * HattCzech_work wishes he was l33t Oct 20 17:50:42 never played with firmware and all that wireless network stuff, so not sure how that would work Oct 20 17:56:51 magic.. (not sure if firmware is important or not) Oct 20 18:21:27 http://ompldr.org/vYXdnMA/freetether_2011-20-10_141548.png Oct 20 18:35:45 damn Oct 20 18:35:52 this.log() does not work for enyo apps on 1.4.5 Oct 20 18:36:09 hmmm Oct 20 18:36:14 what about enyo.log? Oct 20 18:37:16 hmm Oct 20 18:37:22 i wonder if i have a muffle logging patch enable Oct 20 18:37:39 im not getting any output from my enyo app in 1.4.5 Oct 20 18:38:08 nope, not patch related Oct 20 18:38:13 that's odd, but I can't say I've tried it Oct 20 18:44:59 PuffTheMagic: it works, you just need to enable logging Oct 20 18:45:27 in framework_config? Oct 20 18:45:29 had the same issue w/ Enyo on the pre2 Oct 20 18:45:29 how? Oct 20 18:45:52 I did it via a command line setting .. 1 sec Oct 20 18:45:56 thanks Oct 20 18:46:16 oh you have to use palm-log Oct 20 18:46:37 ? Oct 20 18:46:38 palm-log --system-log-level info Oct 20 18:46:39 ya Oct 20 18:47:04 i dont have a palm-log command on my path Oct 20 18:47:14 oh dear Oct 20 18:47:19 palm-log.bat perhaps? Oct 20 18:47:28 should be with palm-install, -package, etc Oct 20 18:47:53 oh Oct 20 18:47:58 i was expecting it on my pre Oct 20 18:47:59 err Oct 20 18:48:00 pixi Oct 20 18:48:05 there are a bunch of odd things on 1.4.5 though - like it flagged 'in' as an invalid property in a system call until i quoted it. Oct 20 18:48:23 what is the highest log level? Oct 20 18:48:37 and I think the appinfo comes back as a string that I need to parse into JSON Oct 20 18:48:46 PuffTheMagic: should be info Oct 20 18:48:57 info debug warn error Oct 20 18:49:17 what turns it all off again? Oct 20 18:49:29 set it to error or warn Oct 20 18:49:40 ah right Oct 20 18:49:41 thanks Oct 20 18:50:13 rwatkins: "in" is reserved, so if you use it as an object property, you should quote it :D Oct 20 18:50:31 but, disturbing it doesn't error in other code :/ Oct 20 18:51:21 if 'in' is reserved you guys shouldnt be using it as your property name in service calls. :) Oct 20 18:51:28 its what you need for an alarm. Oct 20 18:51:36 blah Oct 20 18:52:00 who thought that was a good idea? for (var p in obj) Oct 20 18:52:00 breaks in 1.4.5, not in 2.x/3.x Oct 20 18:52:02 it's right there Oct 20 18:53:22 i assume later js parsers understand its being used in an object literal and let it slide Oct 20 18:56:17 1.4.5 has toasters :D Oct 20 18:56:21 * PuffTheMagic is happy Oct 20 18:57:17 ex http://pastebin.com/7JNKasi2 - w/o quotes a no go. kinda a lame parameter name choice then Oct 20 18:57:42 im having a brain fart, whats the name of that enyo kind that provides the grip/handle for sliding panes and shit Oct 20 18:57:56 GrabButton Oct 20 18:58:07 yes Oct 20 18:58:09 grab Oct 20 18:58:12 :( Oct 20 18:59:47 im having too much fun watching the freetether options panes fly in Oct 20 19:00:39 for extra points do it as a view transition instead of a toaster and get it to slide in both directions. Oct 20 19:01:01 slide in both directions? Oct 20 19:01:17 there is only one transition in enyo - LeftToRight I think Oct 20 19:01:24 no Oct 20 19:01:28 they are in all directions Oct 20 19:01:31 and existing samples for RigthToLeft work -- but on on top of Sliding Panes Oct 20 19:01:39 for a Toaster, not for a View Oct 20 19:01:49 thats why i use toaster Oct 20 19:02:27 yea, well that works for one. Oct 20 19:02:56 http://dpaste.com/638058/ Oct 20 19:03:06 Which is what Maps uses too - but thats cheating to avoid the general case thats broken. :) Oct 20 19:03:31 :) i got it froms maps Oct 20 19:03:46 but i dont see how its cheating Oct 20 19:04:02 I have that for options to in Paper Mache - a toaster on the TouchPad size Oct 20 19:04:13 I'm just saying if you need to manage multiple views, the "Toaster" model starts to break down. Oct 20 19:04:33 if its only one thing that slides in and out a Toaster is fine. But clearly they cut corners on what works. Oct 20 19:05:02 like trying to build a 3pane email client out of Toasters would be ... messy. Oct 20 19:05:29 sliding panes need work Oct 20 19:05:35 i dont like how the behave at all Oct 20 19:06:11 I like em, but the direction should be reversed on a phone so the back gesture makes sense. Oct 20 20:22:37 i love Enyo -> http://ompldr.org/vYXdodg/freetether_2011-20-10_161656.png Oct 20 20:28:37 USB icon is too low. Oct 20 20:30:32 they are all bottom aligned Oct 20 20:30:55 i think it would look weird anywhere you align it since its not the same eight Oct 20 20:30:56 height Oct 20 20:31:24 center aligned inside the box? Oct 20 20:31:24 You could try rotate USB icon 90 deg, Oct 20 20:32:54 dwc-, well they have slight reflections Oct 20 20:33:01 so thats why they are bottom aligned Oct 20 20:33:18 i could probably rotate it Oct 20 20:33:43 WWSJD Oct 20 20:33:48 What Would Steve Jobs Do. Oct 20 20:33:57 "make it line up!" Oct 20 20:34:03 no Oct 20 20:34:08 yell and scream until someone else made it line up Oct 20 20:34:17 lol Oct 20 20:37:20 bingo Oct 20 20:38:13 PuffTheMagic: i agree with klausa... rotate it 90deg Oct 20 20:38:23 anyone having issues with promo codes in the app catalog in 3.0.4? Oct 20 20:39:20 PuffTheMagic: but the new freetether looks nice so far! Oct 20 20:43:44 hi Oct 20 20:55:59 http://ompldr.org/vYXdpZA/freetether_2011-20-10_165031.png Oct 20 20:56:02 ^^ better? Oct 20 20:56:29 Here's a cookie for your work: *cookie* Oct 20 20:58:08 That is quite nice. Oct 20 21:06:32 klausa, im gonna have some oreo cake Oct 20 21:15:41 i want oreo cake Oct 20 21:26:40 wrea http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/tips-techniques/how-to-make-an-oreo-cake-074849 Oct 20 21:27:55 Yeah, I *could* make it, but I'd rather it show up magically in front of me :P Oct 20 21:31:31 I want peanut butter pie too Oct 20 21:31:55 wrea :) Oct 20 21:35:30 I want only any pizza Oct 20 21:35:59 cheesy one will be enough Oct 20 21:36:19 costco pizza Oct 20 21:37:28 PuffTheMagic: looks awesome Oct 20 21:41:48 thanks Oct 20 21:45:33 http://blogs.smartmoney.com/paydirt/2011/10/20/with-a-gravestone-barcode-tomorrow-never-dies/ Oct 20 21:49:54 hi, I'm on an american palm pixi and need to access a canadian app Oct 20 21:50:05 any way I can circumvent? Oct 20 21:52:29 is it freeware ? Oct 20 21:53:15 yes Oct 20 21:53:20 CBC Radio Oct 20 21:53:29 it's for my boss Oct 20 21:59:49 French or English Canadian? Oct 20 22:00:11 fechez la vache Oct 20 22:00:39 english I think Oct 20 22:04:13 http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/google-to-release-android-ice-cream-sandwich-source-code-20-10-2011/ Oct 20 22:05:37 * Khaytsus makes up a date for ICS release and blogs about it Oct 20 22:05:56 Wait, this isn't news. Oct 20 22:06:01 They said _months_ ago ICS was going into AOSP Oct 20 22:07:14 Khaytsus ok, i''m reading this first time :) Oct 20 22:07:36 * rwhitby wasn't aware that ICS was going to run on webOS devices ... Oct 20 22:08:06 * Khaytsus points at panel and backs away Oct 20 22:08:13 HattCzech_work: try out the promo code stuff now Oct 20 22:10:48 okay Oct 20 22:11:13 going to bed Oct 20 22:11:16 bye Oct 20 22:11:59 sugardave: still the same issue: i tap "use promo code" and nothing happens... just hangs Oct 20 22:32:31 http://ompldr.org/vYXdqbg/freetether_2011-20-10_182638.png Oct 20 22:32:35 ^ tweaked icons a little Oct 20 22:32:44 also replaced text button for TCP prefs with an icon Oct 20 22:32:57 think network prefs icon makes sense? Oct 20 22:39:26 I wouldn't have guessed it Oct 20 22:41:09 find a better icon on icon finder then Oct 20 22:42:13 the text button was fine Oct 20 22:42:35 i guess Oct 20 22:42:47 think im gonna change the text though Oct 20 22:43:04 from TCP/IP settings to the gateway & subnet in CIDR notation Oct 20 22:44:06 http://ompldr.org/vYXdqdw/freetether_2011-20-10_183832.png Oct 20 22:59:45 Yay, I get a callback Oct 20 23:00:39 I hopefully get an advanced exchange Oct 20 23:06:15 I'm going to guess the admin at the repair facility says it was repaired and I'll get screwed Oct 20 23:11:18 http://ompldr.org/vYXdrNw/freetether_2011-20-10_190459.png Oct 20 23:11:46 OMG APP CAT UPDATE Oct 20 23:11:49 is it Pivot?! Oct 20 23:13:12 UGH nope. false alarm. Oct 20 23:13:21 yeah :P Oct 20 23:16:46 hm f4 has really matured as a kernel. it's pretty undeniably zippy here on 3.0.4 Oct 20 23:25:29 yeah, the f4 feature set is going to be the basis of a future uberkernel Oct 20 23:27:11 PuffTheMagic: Enyo-fT looks *amazing* Oct 20 23:28:42 thanks Oct 20 23:31:22 everything PuffTheMagic does looks *amazing* :P Oct 20 23:31:36 ^^ not everything Oct 20 23:32:40 PuffTheMagic: you busy at the moment? Oct 20 23:33:00 sorta but whats up Oct 20 23:33:16 just need your advice about something...if you have a min, I'll take it to PM Oct 20 23:33:26 if not, it's totally cool Oct 20 23:33:42 go for it Oct 20 23:38:52 funny thing is, i pretty much accidentally installed f4, but i don't think i'll be purposely un-installing it ;). i'm truly digging it right now. Oct 20 23:39:48 * PatrickC likes f14 Oct 20 23:40:45 f15* Oct 20 23:46:45 rwatkins, pinger Oct 20 23:47:50 PuffTheMagic: will the Enyo ft take over all of the ft? Oct 20 23:48:41 take over? Oct 20 23:48:46 like the Borg? Oct 20 23:49:37 like, will the Mojo version go away? Oct 20 23:50:13 im hoping so Oct 20 23:50:35 cool Oct 20 23:58:05 good thing maps is a free app, or there'd be no way to get the enyo dependency Oct 20 23:58:50 I guess I get to wait a few more days before I get to use a veer Oct 20 23:59:48 wrea sending it on another vacation? Oct 21 00:00:11 If they tried doing that I'd find a way to stab them over the phone Oct 21 00:00:18 Advanced replacement Oct 21 00:00:36 2-3 business days to get it Oct 21 00:11:07 wrea: I can't stand using the veer lol Oct 21 00:11:13 way too small :P Oct 21 00:11:39 * halfhalo used a veer for a decent amount of time as a main phone. he is weird like that Oct 21 00:12:01 I dont need to be compensating for anything, so the veer is fine for me Oct 21 00:13:51 * PatrickC hugs his pre3 Oct 21 00:16:29 PatrickC, eat a bowl of dicks Oct 21 00:16:32 summatusmentis, ^^ Oct 21 00:16:39 lol Oct 21 00:17:04 PuffTheMagic, but he already does that everyday Oct 21 00:37:09 rwhitby: Looks like the error on the GPS bug has been reduced to around 1.5 degrees. Much improved, but still useless. Oct 21 00:40:50 wtf is enyo.ToolInput Oct 21 00:52:37 er it's an input on a toolbar.. ? would be my guess. i would like to see an example though Oct 21 00:52:49 i can try.. tomorrow! and tell you Oct 21 00:54:43 PuffTheMagic: ya? Oct 21 00:55:48 nm Oct 21 00:55:54 figured it put Oct 21 00:56:19 Ok. I'll hug both my Pre3s. ATT and VZW. Oct 21 00:56:49 PatrickC, you can pass your bowl to rwatkins Oct 21 00:57:08 heh Oct 21 00:59:28 lol Oct 21 01:00:30 PuffTheMagic, you need another bowl, PatrickC ate them all Oct 21 01:01:03 * PuffTheMagic fills up PatrickC's dick bowl Oct 21 01:01:28 Geez guys don't waste 'em, summatusmentis is gonna troll more and he'll need them Oct 21 01:01:59 rwatkins: when your pre3 is in recovery mode, does novacom see it/ Oct 21 01:02:18 I have never had to doctor my pre3s Oct 21 01:02:36 rwatkins, you dont automatically metadoctor them? Oct 21 01:03:23 have not activated the VZW yet, ATT is just my regular phone Oct 21 01:03:42 infact I i've never metadoctored a device yet. Oct 21 01:04:15 deciding if I get a minimal VZW plan, or just try and bypass activation for testing Oct 21 01:05:55 I generally dont do alot of crazy shit to my webos devices. few patches, and only sometimes a new kernel/overclock. Oct 21 01:06:29 though very tempted to install sshd because novaterm on windows is so crap Oct 21 01:14:25 well.. yknow, windows. Oct 21 01:14:31 ya Oct 21 01:14:46 cygwin helps, but still not quite cutting it Oct 21 01:15:15 just dual-boot ubuntu Oct 21 01:15:18 that's what I do :) Oct 21 01:15:31 ya, I dont need that world of hurt anymore Oct 21 01:15:50 I've run linux as my desktop for many years, I'm tired of all the brokenness Oct 21 01:16:04 lol Oct 21 01:16:06 get a mac Oct 21 01:16:28 I have one. its just not yet my main development machine at home Oct 21 01:16:33 but is at work. Oct 21 01:17:18 lol Oct 21 01:17:38 I'm cross platform here. Win7 desktop, MPB laptop, Ubuntu fileserver, webOS tablet, and webOS, android and iOS phones. Oct 21 01:17:56 I use ubuntu via wubi only because i was lazy Oct 21 01:18:22 I want something better. I'll probably set up something proper sometime soon Oct 21 01:18:40 Before I didnt really use linux for a few years Oct 21 01:18:41 I use wubi Oct 21 01:18:45 its enough fo are me Oct 21 01:18:47 for* Oct 21 01:18:48 wubi is for people who don't want to strain their vagaines Oct 21 01:18:49 Used to use arch Oct 21 01:18:55 or vaginas Oct 21 01:19:02 * Khaytsus reboots his fingers Oct 21 01:19:29 screw you, i was just lazy :P Oct 21 01:22:24 It's been 5 years since I used arch and it was getting more political then Oct 21 01:24:54 Switch to sourcemage, you can be a raging dork every command in that distro Oct 21 01:26:45 lol Oct 21 01:32:37 wow now that i think about it, i've got a ton of different platforms surrounding me too. desktop with win 7, web server with win xp, netbook (that i haven't touched since getting a touchpad) with aurora, ipod with ios, and tucked away under my desk is an old 166mhz box with debian on it Oct 21 01:33:08 other people in the household have eeebuntu, winxp, win vista, win 7 Oct 21 01:33:27 and of course two tablets with webos and one with android dual booting Oct 21 01:58:21 im not receiving any data(internet) into my phone.. Oct 21 01:58:28 And the ev icon is showing Oct 21 01:58:33 Sprint Palm Pre Oct 21 02:03:43 * DougReeder wakes up Oct 21 02:32:20 Robopocalypse Oct 21 02:43:21 the brought cricket back! Oct 21 02:43:23 awesine Oct 21 02:43:25 awesome **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 21 02:59:57 2011