**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 26 02:59:57 2011
Oct 26 04:38:18 <siestacat> hey @ a dev
Oct 26 04:38:38 <siestacat> can I use two providers on my pixi plus, DUAL NAM?
Oct 26 04:38:52 <siestacat> pageplus for voice, vzw for data?
Oct 26 04:43:09 <siestacat> hello?
Oct 26 04:51:13 <dwc-> not really a dev question, afaik
Oct 26 04:51:26 <dwc-> and... I have no idea how the cdma stuff works anyways
Oct 26 05:00:01 <rwhitby> so I have this mojo app
Oct 26 05:00:16 <rwhitby> I cause focus to be set on a text input widget
Oct 26 05:00:48 <rwhitby> I carefully make sure that the text input widget is on the screen, using revealElement()
Oct 26 05:01:13 <rwhitby> on a touchpad, the virtual keyboard then pops up and obscures the input widget, so you can't see what you are typing.
Oct 26 05:01:20 <rwhitby> anyone got a fix or workaround?
Oct 26 05:01:54 <rwatkins> that exact issue was in a release notes update for one of the TP revs
Oct 26 05:02:02 <rwatkins> but possibly only fixed for Enyo?
Oct 26 05:05:03 <rwatkins> you could also investigate what enyo.keyboard.setResizesWindow does and see if you can request the same in Mojo - to resize the app window rather than overlay it.
Oct 26 05:10:24 <rwhitby> hmm - maybe a delayed revealElement will do
Oct 26 05:19:00 <rwhitby> sweet .delay(1, ...) on the reveal works
Oct 26 07:02:43 <ziplock503> is the sms bug from the pre2 that made text messsage not show up when recieved still on the pre3??
Oct 26 07:59:59 <seretogis> WP7 Nokia devices pretty underwhelming
Oct 26 08:00:10 <seretogis> the "top end" one being roughly equivalent to a Pre 3 hardware-wise. Meh.
Oct 26 08:55:23 <duttyn> is there a way access app market outside us uk
Oct 26 08:55:57 <rwhitby> yes, but you still need a credit/debit card in the appropriate market
Oct 26 08:56:12 <rwhitby> and if you've already logged into a profile, it's too late
Oct 26 08:56:37 <duttyn> ook ..I already have the profile
Oct 26 08:57:15 <duttyn> any other way of accessing thru some app?
Oct 26 08:58:35 <duttyn> thanks anyway rwhitby...
Oct 26 09:01:07 <duttyn> appreciate it
Oct 26 09:04:53 <rwhitby> duttyn: are you talking about a phone or touchpad?
Oct 26 09:04:56 <TanKh> impostah can do that duttyn
Oct 26 09:05:02 <TanKh> afaik
Oct 26 09:05:39 <TanKh> at least I used that to get the kindle app on my tp
Oct 26 09:06:25 <duttyn> pre3
Oct 26 09:06:50 <duttyn> rhwity: pre3
Oct 26 09:07:49 <duttyn> I have impostah.. not sure what to edit
Oct 26 09:08:34 <rwhitby> pre 3 app catalog is set on first profile login
Oct 26 09:08:58 <rwhitby> only way to change it after that is to access that profile with a touchpad set to the right country, and then log back into that profile with the Pre 3
Oct 26 09:10:42 <duttyn> my touchpad is on the way...however..will it support india as country
Oct 26 09:10:53 <rwhitby> no
Oct 26 09:11:12 <rwhitby> you'll have to select a paid-apps country for which you have a credit/debit card
Oct 26 09:11:34 <rwhitby> selecting india for anything will not work, nor will indian credit/debit cards work
Oct 26 09:11:34 <duttyn> umm..ok I am on US right now
Oct 26 09:12:27 <duttyn> ok. I just want to get access to to catalog...least I can access the free apps
Oct 26 09:13:23 <panel> hello
Oct 26 09:14:16 <panel> rwhitby about free apps: is there way to download free apps from other country that I have activated ?
Oct 26 09:15:04 <rwhitby> Impostah can often get around geo-restrictions for free apps
Oct 26 09:15:42 <panel> Impostah is not working for me and so  Dummy Maker
Oct 26 09:15:45 <panel> :(
Oct 26 09:16:32 <panel> I have activated my phone before I knew about impostah :(
Oct 26 09:17:33 <panel> thanks
Oct 26 09:19:30 <duttyn> I guess you need the app id for impostah to work...any place to find out ?
Oct 26 09:19:41 <rwhitby> google
Oct 26 09:19:45 <panel> yes
Oct 26 09:19:45 <panel> :)
Oct 26 09:20:07 <duttyn> cool :)
Oct 26 09:20:17 <panel> maybe here: http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery
Oct 26 09:20:26 <rwhitby> very old stuff there
Oct 26 09:21:15 <panel> it is not updating ?
Oct 26 09:21:28 <rwhitby> "site:developer.palm.com/appredirect" is useful in google searches for appids
Oct 26 09:22:02 <rwhitby> panel: not for app catalog apps, since HP closed the public feeds
Oct 26 09:22:08 <panel> ah so
Oct 26 09:22:10 <panel> ok
Oct 26 09:22:41 <panel> because I have chat with palm support
Oct 26 09:22:48 <panel> and they navigated me there :D
Oct 26 09:23:10 <rwhitby> first mistake: assuming palm support know anything about anything
Oct 26 09:23:53 <panel> but they helped me for that time
Oct 26 09:25:09 <panel> lunch time :)
Oct 26 09:25:10 <duttyn> does kindle go on pre
Oct 26 09:25:20 <duttyn> pre3?
Oct 26 09:26:02 <duttyn> its been throwing does not exist on impostah with app id
Oct 26 10:12:27 <LoneStar> webos sdk is now for vista and win7 only?
Oct 26 10:12:39 <LoneStar> so XP won't work?
Oct 26 11:10:16 <panel> please how can I write plain text file from my app ?
Oct 26 11:10:31 <panel> I have tried to find something with google
Oct 26 11:10:35 <panel> but no success
Oct 26 11:14:34 <rwhitby> app catalog or homebrew ?
Oct 26 11:17:20 <rwhitby> cause you can't do it from Mojo or Enyo directly.
Oct 26 11:17:32 <panel> ah
Oct 26 11:17:49 <panel> do you think there's any library ?
Oct 26 11:18:07 <panel> i'm developing only for preware
Oct 26 11:18:31 <rwhitby> you'll need a node.js service. documentation for that is on developer.palm.com
Oct 26 11:18:45 <panel> ok
Oct 26 11:18:47 <panel> thanks
Oct 26 13:17:47 <rwatkins> LoneStar: XP?  that 10 year old OS is depricated?  say it isnt so.
Oct 26 13:21:07 <rwatkins> I doubt OSX Puma - 10.1 is supported either
Oct 26 13:55:43 <gDD> ipkg remove binutils
Oct 26 13:56:13 <gDD> any way to recover? i cannot find binutils in Preware
Oct 26 13:56:40 <gDD> I'm using Veer
Oct 26 13:57:32 <gDD> ipkg-opt install binutils , but return error 22, failed
Oct 26 14:03:07 <rwhitby> gDD: if you run ipkg rather than ipkg-opt or ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps, then you have screwed your rootfs
Oct 26 14:03:23 <rwhitby> go see the doctor to repair it
Oct 26 14:05:31 <gDD> rwhitby: thanks for the tips :)
Oct 26 14:06:11 <gDD> strange, now installed after deleted some file and retransfer ipk again to the device
Oct 26 14:06:57 <gDD> seems the problem is no enough space
Oct 26 14:28:25 <rsanchez1> hey guys
Oct 26 14:28:45 <rsanchez1> anyone here notice style issues with enyo and the latest version of Chrome?
Oct 26 14:44:47 <dwc-> lonestar/rwatkins: pretty sure 10-yo xp has a lot more staying power, market share and quality than 10-yo OSX
Oct 26 14:44:51 <dwc-> 10.1
Oct 26 14:46:19 <rwatkins> lots of staying power, and market share, but increasingly a pain to support.  so .. doesnt seem unreasonable to drop a 10yr old os when there are issues supporting it.
Oct 26 14:46:49 <rwatkins> if you're a software developer unable to migrate to an OS thats less than 10 yrs old, you're in the wrong profession
Oct 26 14:53:14 <panel> bye
Oct 26 16:04:56 <dwc-> rwatkins: how long has IE6 support been a "requirement" on the web?
Oct 26 16:05:35 <dwc-> rwatkins: ever work in aerospace or space systems? plenty of software there, but ...
Oct 26 16:08:23 <rwatkins> nope, never worked in areospace
Oct 26 16:08:42 <rwatkins> but I would also fear webOS apps driving the space shuttle
Oct 26 16:11:04 <rwatkins> http://www.fastcompany.com/node/28121/print
Oct 26 16:15:03 <akanster> dwc-: my work intranet is built for IE6
Oct 26 16:20:13 <wrea> Same at shell. I left before they migrated to Vista
Oct 26 16:23:39 <halfhalo> all the computers here one campus are now w7.  yay public education!
Oct 26 16:23:49 <halfhalo> well, all the windows based computers at least
Oct 26 17:29:09 <dwc-> large companies tend to move at the speed of molasses
Oct 26 17:29:20 <dwc-> esp if they have to do multi-site or worldwide deployments
Oct 26 17:29:30 <dwc-> legacy intranet stuff, apps, etc
Oct 26 17:29:45 <dwc-> wrt aerospace and space systems, tons of stuff that has to get certified
Oct 26 17:30:04 <dwc-> and that takes years, so there's less incentive to change
Oct 26 17:30:18 <rwatkins> sure there are all kinds of reason IT depeartments stick to an old OS
Oct 26 17:31:09 <rwatkins> but the point is if you are developing software -- modern software, having a modern OS pretty much a requirement
Oct 26 17:32:04 <rwatkins> its just a case of "i need these tools to do my job"
Oct 26 17:32:52 <dwc-> sure, as long as you support deploying or users running on the older ones
Oct 26 17:33:35 <rwatkins> huh?
Oct 26 17:34:32 <rwatkins> we're writing webOS apps here, the PC OS us just a tool - not where you deploy to
Oct 26 17:35:03 <rwatkins> and the choice of OS to support is irrelevant to the tools used to build it.
Oct 26 17:35:30 <dwc-> sorry, I guess this is a little off-topic. I was more referencing your assertion that if you can't migrate to a newer OS, you're in the wrong profession
Oct 26 17:35:53 <dwc-> XP is pretty modern, wrt to APIs and supported stuff (minus DX11, a few others)
Oct 26 17:37:09 <dwc-> (unlike, say, NT4, which is what I saw in the carrier flight ops center on a US navy carrier the last time I was there maybe ~6-8 yrs ago ;) )
Oct 26 19:56:06 <akanster> http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/26/8495295-87000-without-power-after-colorado-snowstorm - crazy
Oct 26 19:57:10 <fxspec06> damn!
Oct 26 19:57:16 <fxspec06> that's gonna hit MA tomorrow.
Oct 26 19:57:40 <fxspec06> holy crap
Oct 26 20:00:57 <akanster> hide yo wives, hide yo kids!
Oct 26 20:12:54 <sc30317> whenever I try and download any email attachment, I get the following error:  Unable to Download Attachment Unspecified error: 1310 -
Oct 26 20:13:00 <sc30317> does anyone know why this is and how to fix it?
Oct 26 20:21:14 <sc30317> anyone?
Oct 26 20:47:42 <sc30317>  whenever I try and download any email attachment, I get the following error:  Unable to Download Attachment Unspecified error: 1310 -
Oct 26 21:41:12 <fxspec06> sc30317: what kind of attachment is it....
Oct 26 21:43:39 <sc30317> fxspec06, it doesn't matter what kind of attachment it is
Oct 26 21:43:48 <sc30317> no matter what; it doesn't work
Oct 26 21:44:00 <sc30317> i've tried gif, jpg, xlsx, docx
Oct 26 21:44:20 <rwhitby> Try the EFW
Oct 26 21:52:46 * dwc- restores a pre3 from itself and is amused by the matching pair of youtube icons
Oct 26 21:57:46 <fxspec06> if you want a 3rd youtube icon, i hear a full erase works well
Oct 26 21:59:28 <dwc-> heh
Oct 26 21:59:56 <halfhalo> hmmm.... LSI bought sandforce...
Oct 26 22:04:25 <dwc-> Data Not Restoredd
Oct 26 22:04:31 * dwc- frowns
Oct 26 22:04:41 <halfhalo> ruhroh
Oct 26 22:05:26 <fxspec06> persistence counts
Oct 26 22:05:28 <dwc-> especially sad since I deleted backups before I signed it off and removed it from my account online
Oct 26 22:05:34 <dwc-> so there shoudln't even *be* anything to restore
Oct 26 22:05:39 <fxspec06> =O
Oct 26 22:06:06 <fxspec06> maybe that's why it wasn't working!
Oct 26 22:07:30 <fxspec06> maybe the files are still registered, but aren't actually there.. so it's trying to restore them but can't
Oct 26 22:18:25 <dwc-> hey, look at that, wild n free poker free is a featured app
Oct 26 22:22:07 <fxspec06> yeah i know!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 26 22:22:21 <fxspec06> it's the 3rd or 4th one on the phone, and like 21st on the tablet.
Oct 26 22:22:40 <fxspec06> i just noticed yesterday
Oct 26 22:24:35 <Tibfib_> hai
Oct 26 22:24:49 <thehodge> okay so ever since I got my touchpad (pre launch) the only app it's had in the store is facebook, I've reset the device, formatted it and updated it... now I'm baffled
Oct 26 22:30:33 <dwc-> by?
Oct 26 22:32:32 <thehodge> that the app store should have more than facebook in
Oct 26 22:32:56 <halfhalo> doctor it.
Oct 26 22:33:34 <dwc-> what'd palm have to say?
Oct 26 22:36:44 <thehodge> halfhalo: I'm trying to download doctor but for some reason https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface isn't letting me login
Oct 26 22:36:52 * halfhalo knows exactly what hte issue is
Oct 26 22:37:27 <halfhalo> grab the 3.0.4 doctor from the webos internals wiki.
Oct 26 22:38:50 <thehodge> grabbing :)
Oct 26 22:41:33 <dwc-> is that something you broke for your internship
Oct 26 22:42:46 <thehodge> halfhalo:  I get to 'connect your phone to your computer with USB' but it never detects it
Oct 26 22:43:05 <halfhalo> reboot both devices
Oct 26 22:43:25 <halfhalo> and i broke more important things thankyouverymuch
Oct 26 22:58:08 <fxspec06> looks like hedami has found a way to view october pivot..
Oct 26 22:59:16 <fxspec06> and looks like WoR has an article
Oct 26 23:04:32 <wrea> how?
Oct 26 23:06:45 <dwc-> huh. when I visit the link, it says gallery coming soon... must have been some url hackery
Oct 26 23:07:07 <dwc-> buuut I see a promo code!
Oct 26 23:07:27 <fxspec06> http://tspxyz.com/media/uploads/pivot/issue4/north_america/usen/portrait/p4_usen_01.jpg
Oct 26 23:07:38 <fxspec06> change _01 to _0(whatever)
Oct 26 23:08:35 * dwc- continues to boggle at apps like "Sports Live!" ... $8... "Sports Live! HD" ... $5
Oct 26 23:09:04 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 26 23:09:19 <sugardave> it's hard work getting things that small
Oct 26 23:10:01 <dwc-> Promo ends Nov 1, 2011
Oct 26 23:10:13 <dwc-> palm better hurry it up or they're going to have to make a new code for pivot
Oct 26 23:10:21 <fxspec06> sports live hd code is out
Oct 26 23:10:23 <fxspec06> leaked
Oct 26 23:10:31 <fxspec06> they've got to release it like. right now
Oct 26 23:11:55 <dwc-> nah, I just used it
Oct 26 23:12:03 <dwc-> no rush
Oct 26 23:12:21 <wrea> Ra Ra Riot is in it, cool
Oct 27 00:26:56 <Tibfib_> 403 forbidden for me
Oct 27 00:27:19 <dwc-> yea, I think someone either a) noticed the huge spike in bandwidth/interest in their design services
Oct 27 00:27:23 <dwc-> or b) someone at HP heard about it
Oct 27 00:27:47 <halfhalo> or c) [Insert conspiracy theory here]
Oct 27 00:28:44 <Tibfib_> or d) [Insert more sinister conspiracy theory here]
Oct 27 00:29:43 <fxspec06> or e) cheese
Oct 27 00:32:55 <rwhitby> yep, it's been turned off
Oct 27 01:31:40 <hlbice> I like veer,so cute
Oct 27 01:33:25 <hlbice> anyone agree this?
Oct 27 01:43:47 <wrea> It's nice, although with my fingers a Pre2/3 would be better for me
Oct 27 01:49:44 <hlbice> XD,the keyboard is so cute too.
Oct 27 01:50:02 <hlbice> but it better than palm pre
Oct 27 01:53:23 <rwatkins> so, who grabbed the October Pivot while it was up?
Oct 27 01:55:41 <rwatkins> ah http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/10/october-pivot-issue-sneaks-out-online/
Oct 27 01:56:59 <hlbice> read it later
Oct 27 01:59:34 <rwatkins> Ha, perfect.  "saving articled about Man United on my laptop to the Paper Mache app"
Oct 27 01:59:50 <rwatkins> in a Man United article.  Perfect!
Oct 27 02:02:07 <seretogis> has anyone here played around with Ice Cream Sandwich?
Oct 27 02:04:04 <hlbice> I'm using wIRC.
Oct 27 02:04:21 <hlbice> A client on veer
Oct 27 02:06:51 <summatusmentis> https://twitter.com/#!/chuq/status/129375744869666816
Oct 27 02:07:32 <rwatkins> him or webos?
Oct 27 02:08:28 <hlbice> webos
Oct 27 02:08:32 <summatusmentis> that's his personal twitter account
Oct 27 02:08:45 <rwatkins> or he's just replying about managing his contact list
Oct 27 02:08:56 <summatusmentis> that's a good point
Oct 27 02:09:04 <rwatkins> https://twitter.com/#!/chuq/status/129339476857204736
Oct 27 02:09:18 <summatusmentis> actually, yeah, I bet that's exactly what that is
Oct 27 02:09:21 <rwatkins> good enough rumor for the media tho
Oct 27 02:09:22 <summatusmentis> I just saw this, and paniced
Oct 27 02:10:27 <seretogis> yeah.. "for those finding lion’s address book a bit -- simple -- what are you using as an alternative?"
Oct 27 02:12:35 <Tibfib_> sheesh peeps
Oct 27 02:12:42 <Tibfib_> OH EM GEE HE SAID GOOGLE HE"S LEVAINGGGG
Oct 27 02:17:05 <akanster> rwatkins: http://twitter.com/#!/marcoarment/status/129368684820045825  :)
Oct 27 02:18:31 <rwatkins> akanster: ha, thx!
Oct 27 02:18:48 <akanster> he went on a mini rant afterwards
Oct 27 02:18:49 <rwatkins> given how antagonistic he is to webOS, I wonder if he's ever seen it.
Oct 27 02:19:04 <akanster> anti-android rant, that is
Oct 27 02:19:30 <rwatkins> a big enough of a threat to feel he need to rant against it as usual
Oct 27 02:19:59 <akanster> between him and gruber, I get enough entertainment :p
Oct 27 02:21:45 <rwatkins> ya, there is some good stuff in there, just often such the horrible bias I cant bring myself to read them all the time
Oct 27 02:22:45 <rwatkins> i also think also its WP7 and webOS on TP that only have clients that use his paid API
Oct 27 02:23:11 <rwatkins> I think Android only has clients that scrape and I think WP7 and webOS for TP only have legit API clients.
Oct 27 02:23:23 <rwatkins> so .. clearly he has an angle there
Oct 27 02:24:18 <Tibfib_> smart
Oct 27 02:25:08 <akanster> can't blame him.  I'd be pissed too
Oct 27 02:25:52 <Tibfib_> couldn't he got those apps pulled?
Oct 27 02:26:15 <Tibfib_> for violation of a terms of use ?
Oct 27 02:31:06 <rwatkins> all he has to do is change his website to break them
Oct 27 02:31:13 <rwatkins> break all of them
Oct 27 02:31:36 <akanster> hammer of marco!
Oct 27 02:37:34 <akanster> has anyone tried to port their enyo app to Chrome?
Oct 27 02:45:10 <fudge_i3> hi all
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