**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 27 02:59:58 2011
Oct 27 03:24:44 <PatrickC_Away> I hate windows... sooooo much :/
Oct 27 05:10:03 <seretogis> ugh did enyo's Sound kind change/break in 3.0.4? :/
Oct 27 05:12:52 <beardface> hello does anyone want a code for a TP app
Oct 27 05:13:07 <beardface> in exchange for a review?
Oct 27 05:19:59 <lowlevel> beardface: I can't seem to use codes to get apps... maybe I need to put a credit card in first?
Oct 27 05:38:57 <rwhitby> lowlevel: yes, you do.
Oct 27 05:40:48 <LoneStar_ODZYQ> Can I find a previous version of the SDK somewhere on the HP website? because I don't have a vista or win7
Oct 27 14:12:09 <thehodge> afternoon all
Oct 27 14:12:19 <thehodge> finally got apps on my touchpad, thanks for the help yesterday
Oct 27 14:25:53 <HattCzech_work> thehodge: which apps?
Oct 27 14:26:08 <thehodge> I had a problem where the only apps in the app store was the facebook app
Oct 27 14:27:40 <HattCzech_work> ahhh okay
Oct 27 14:34:32 <hotdp> HattCzech_work: it was nice talking to you :)
Oct 27 14:37:54 <HattCzech_work> you as well
Oct 27 14:38:02 <HattCzech_work> i'm guessing you made it back home safely?
Oct 27 14:38:07 <hotdp> yer
Oct 27 14:38:12 <HattCzech_work> and hopefully getting over the jetlag?
Oct 27 14:38:18 <hotdp> still feeling it
Oct 27 14:38:40 <hotdp> worst part was landing, it was foggy, rainy and cold :( missted tx  instant
Oct 27 14:39:59 <HattCzech_work> heheh, yeah
Oct 27 14:40:12 <HattCzech_work> you probably wouldn't miss it much in the summer, though :)
Oct 27 14:49:42 <PuffTheMagic> lol, Kerris goes to Nokia
Oct 27 14:49:43 <PuffTheMagic> wow
Oct 27 14:51:55 <hotdp> WOOOOOW
Oct 27 14:52:01 <hotdp> link PuffTheMagic
Oct 27 14:52:03 <hotdp> ?
Oct 27 14:52:16 <hotdp> But can we blame him?
Oct 27 14:52:53 <thehodge> whats the best way of displaying a webpage on fullscreenmode without the blackbar or the screen dimming, would it be to build an app that just loads the webpage, I've looked in the store but all I can find is an exhibition mode one which doesn't work properly
Oct 27 14:57:18 <HattCzech_work> hotdp: http://www.precentral.net/richard-kerris-outside-opportunity-same-job-nokia
Oct 27 15:07:20 <rwatkins> from one sinking ship to another
Oct 27 15:09:56 <HattCzech_work> heheh
Oct 27 15:10:15 <HattCzech_work> flames of something...
Oct 27 15:10:18 <HattCzech_work> going down in flames of "glory"?
Oct 27 15:25:46 <Khaytsus> Why the hell would someone go to Nokia??
Oct 27 15:25:53 <Khaytsus> Work on WP7 shit.. ugh
Oct 27 15:26:20 <rwatkins> MS has a pretty good history of strong relationship w/ developers
Oct 27 15:26:37 <nebula> _huge_ community
Oct 27 15:27:33 <Khaytsus> What has a huge community??
Oct 27 15:34:19 <summatusmentis> and Nokia has a proven track record of world distribution mechanisms
Oct 27 15:37:19 <sugardave> thehodge: you can enabled "full-screen" mode and just use a WebView to display the page.  Full screen mode removes the status bar
Oct 27 15:38:09 <thehodge> sugardave: yeah i was just hoping there would be an app already to do that
Oct 27 15:38:14 <thehodge> rather than me ahving to write one
Oct 27 15:38:49 <sugardave> thehodge: there are a couple of browser apps that have been written, but not sure if they do/can do fullscreen mode
Oct 27 15:39:05 <sugardave> Universe and Advanced Browser are the 2 names that come to mind
Oct 27 15:43:03 <Khaytsus> Nokia does world distribution of dirt cheap phones.
Oct 27 15:43:12 <Khaytsus> How many _smartphones_ do they have out in the wild.
Oct 27 15:43:30 <summatusmentis> can I point out that this means almost nothing?
Oct 27 15:43:49 <summatusmentis> There was _one_ phone with android on it at one ponit
Oct 27 15:43:49 <Khaytsus> Agreed.  Nokia is irrelevant ;)
Oct 27 15:43:52 <summatusmentis> point*
Oct 27 15:44:22 <summatusmentis> how many smartphones did apple have in the market when they introduced the iPhone?
Oct 27 15:45:56 <summatusmentis> Many people liked Nokia hardware, S60 wasn't terribly great (right up there with winmo)
Oct 27 15:46:41 <klausa> I like my Nokia E63 more than my Desire Z.
Oct 27 15:47:20 <klausa> Mainly because S60 - it was slow and not-really-user-friendly, but *stable*. And I can't say that about my Desire Z.
Oct 27 15:50:31 <klausa> uhttp://www.engadget.com/2011/10/27/richard-kerris-moves-from-hp-to-nokia-becomes-global-head-of-de/
Oct 27 15:50:34 <klausa> Huh.
Oct 27 15:50:43 <summatusmentis> yeh, that's sort of how we got here
Oct 27 15:50:46 <klausa> Ah, PuffTheMagic said it earlier.
Oct 27 15:51:05 <klausa> Excuse me, I tend to sometime walk in the middle of conversation and do that.
Oct 27 15:51:26 <summatusmentis> no big
Oct 27 16:13:54 <rwatkins> ianbeck: I assume youve seen http://www.webosroundup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/p4_usen_08.jpg ?
Oct 27 16:30:37 <akanster> with Kerris & Brandon Watson attracting devs to WP7, this will get interesting
Oct 27 16:32:39 <rwatkins> I think most of the devs for webOS are there now becasue of the technology choice.  this doesnt change how you build WP7 apps - its not web technology (yet perhaps)
Oct 27 16:40:34 <akanster> that's what I like about webOS. when there's some API I want to use, I skip their "mobile" libraries and stuff and use the directions for "web"  apps :)
Oct 27 16:43:17 <rwatkins> its the right path - things are cleary moving that way for mobile development.  they may have just hit the curve too early
Oct 27 17:06:14 <EricBlade> "..Nokia has a proven track record of world distribution mechanisms" .. unfortunately for Nokia, several years ago when I was entering the cell phone business (back in the day just before "car mounted" phones became "free with contract", and handhelds were still in the high 2 and 3 digit ranges), we often were told that Nokia is one of the largest manufacturers in the entire world.  They pretty much jettisoned all of that to go to mobile 
Oct 27 17:07:47 <EricBlade> at least in the US.  I hear they still have quite a Euro following, but they didn't join the CDMA market until it was far too late, they made several attempts at using their own CDMA comm hardware, which was utter crap, and in the US, if you don't have support from Verizon, you're pretty much farked.
Oct 27 17:08:05 <EricBlade> except for Apple
Oct 27 17:08:30 <EricBlade> who made a device that was so awesome people put up with crap service from ATT for years
Oct 27 17:37:35 <ianbeck> rwatkins: No, thanks for the link; wasn't aware Pivot had finally come out
Oct 27 17:38:03 <wrea> more like leaked
Oct 27 17:39:09 <rwatkins> ya, still not out I think.  Assume these are mockups or something as all the apps are "Free".
Oct 27 17:39:31 <ianbeck> Heh
Oct 27 17:39:52 <ianbeck> Did I see correctly that Paper Mache is submitted for older devices, by the way?
Oct 27 17:40:21 <rwatkins> Beta release is out for older devices
Oct 27 17:40:36 <rwatkins> Has a few bugs to work out then into the production catalog.
Oct 27 17:40:52 <ianbeck> Nice!
Oct 27 17:41:34 <ianbeck> I'll have to give that a try; really looking forward to using it on my Pre+
Oct 27 17:41:58 <rwatkins> No 1.x at the first go - currently uses localStorage for some data. But should be able to fix and persist to webSQL for 1.x devices.
Oct 27 17:42:12 <ianbeck> Ah, too bad
Oct 27 17:42:14 <rwatkins> Let me know how it goes - only tested on a Pre2 so far.
Oct 27 17:42:28 <klausa> Hm..
Oct 27 17:42:39 <ianbeck> The hodge-podge of available data storage formats across webOS versions is such a pain
Oct 27 17:42:47 <rwatkins> emulators looked ok - but then they did for the Pre3 too .. ;)
Oct 27 17:42:52 <ianbeck> Heh, yeah
Oct 27 17:42:55 <ianbeck> Never trust an emulator
Oct 27 17:43:20 <rwatkins> ya, performace on the Pre2 was better than the Pre3 actually, so I'm hopeful.
Oct 27 17:43:44 <ianbeck> Heh
Oct 27 17:44:50 <rwatkins> and its not just an issue of available data formats, but the regular issues with webSQL on 3.x  ugh.
Oct 27 17:45:18 <rwatkins>  s/data formats/data storage formats/
Oct 27 17:45:35 <ianbeck> Yeah
Oct 27 17:45:56 <ianbeck> TapNote performs significantly less well on TouchPad than on my aging Pre+ simply thanks to the weird webSQL issues
Oct 27 17:46:04 <ianbeck> Frustrating
Oct 27 17:47:07 <rwatkins> ya.  thought there may be some issue with the persistence.js layer I was using, but switched over to LawnChair and still seeing the same 3.0.4 issues.
Oct 27 17:47:24 <ianbeck> Blech
Oct 27 18:15:22 <oilsworkn> o.O
Oct 27 18:16:34 <dwc-> lawn chair? is that a swiss-cheesey mesh version of couch?
Oct 27 18:17:54 <rwatkins> "a lawnchair is sorta like a couch except smaller and outside. "
Oct 27 18:18:02 <rwatkins> http://westcoastlogic.com/lawnchair/
Oct 27 18:18:04 <oilsworkn> http://bit.ly/t8uieG
Oct 27 18:18:37 <oilsworkn> whaa, taking lawn chair to the extreme: http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/04/08/lawn-chair_5784.jpg
Oct 27 18:19:18 <rwatkins> from Brian Leroux of PhoneGap
Oct 27 18:19:53 <rwatkins> oilsworkn: wow, i want me one of those.
Oct 27 19:12:02 <akanster> http://thestallmandialogues.com/ - haha
Oct 27 20:13:53 <HattCzech_work> what's the best procedure to remove the ext3fs on a touchpad?
Oct 27 20:16:26 <summatusmentis> HP is keeping PSG
Oct 27 20:16:57 <summatusmentis> so far nothing has been said about webOS, from what I can tell
Oct 27 20:16:57 <HattCzech_work> ...? source?
Oct 27 20:17:19 <summatusmentis> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20111027006814/en/HP-PC-Division
Oct 27 20:17:24 <summatusmentis> straight from the horses mouth
Oct 27 20:17:51 <HattCzech_work> thanks
Oct 27 20:18:25 <summatusmentis> of course
Oct 27 20:18:35 <summatusmentis> in a world where it's all rumors, real sources are important
Oct 27 20:18:52 * HattCzech_work crosses fingers about webOS
Oct 27 20:18:59 <summatusmentis> meh, I'm still very skeptical
Oct 27 20:19:09 <HattCzech_work> aren't we all? :)
Oct 27 20:20:19 <summatusmentis> I mean, yes
Oct 27 20:20:59 <HattCzech_work> yeah... ... ... we shall see
Oct 27 20:49:20 <rwatkins> wait and see? or wait and .. wait?
Oct 27 20:49:30 <HattCzech_work> probably the latter
Oct 27 20:49:35 <rwatkins> likely
Oct 27 20:50:55 <wrea> most probably
Oct 27 20:51:00 <summatusmentis> there's apparently a call at 5pm EST
Oct 27 20:51:11 <summatusmentis> maybe there'll be webOS info there
Oct 27 20:51:46 <HattCzech_work> one can only hope (or dream in this case)
Oct 27 20:55:53 * summatusmentis will be listening to the press call
Oct 27 20:57:42 <HattCzech_work> how will you do such things?
Oct 27 20:58:36 <summatusmentis> there's a link
Oct 27 20:58:52 <summatusmentis> http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zhtml?p=irol-eventDetails&c=71087&eventID=4229271
Oct 27 20:59:03 <sugardave> http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/joyv9t72/lan/en
Oct 27 20:59:41 <HattCzech_work> so this is in 7 minutes?
Oct 27 20:59:47 <HattCzech_work> (6 now)
Oct 27 20:59:50 <sugardave> si
Oct 27 21:00:44 <HattCzech_work> fancy music going on right now
Oct 27 21:01:04 <wrea> not even working for me
Oct 27 21:01:51 <summatusmentis> some guy just thanked me for my patience a bunch, and said it'll start in 5 mins
Oct 27 21:01:56 <HattCzech_work> me too
Oct 27 21:02:04 <HattCzech_work> thanks, guy
Oct 27 21:02:05 <HattCzech_work> hehe
Oct 27 21:02:25 <wrea> works in firefox though
Oct 27 21:02:44 <HattCzech_work> quality sound a bit weak... but probably intended for voice, not music :)
Oct 27 21:03:27 <HattCzech_work> that would read better if it said "sound quality is a bit weak"
Oct 27 21:04:20 <dwc-> it would, but we know what you meant
Oct 27 21:04:28 <summatusmentis> do we though?
Oct 27 21:05:41 <summatusmentis> whoa, music changed
Oct 27 21:05:47 <summatusmentis> now it's a lot more serence
Oct 27 21:05:50 <summatusmentis> serene*
Oct 27 21:06:45 <dwc-> this music is soothing
Oct 27 21:06:53 <fxspec06> oh hey guys
Oct 27 21:06:58 <fxspec06> i heard there was a business call
Oct 27 21:07:01 <dwc-> there is
Oct 27 21:07:04 <fxspec06> hmm
Oct 27 21:07:09 <fxspec06> shall i bother turning it on?
Oct 27 21:07:17 <dwc-> if you want to hear it
Oct 27 21:07:28 <fxspec06> is that the link sugardave provided
Oct 27 21:07:40 <HattCzech_work> ohhh, "good day"
Oct 27 21:08:00 <dwc-> apparently
Oct 27 21:08:07 <dwc-> but I started from hp.com -> investor relations -> etc
Oct 27 21:08:16 <dwc-> always reliable
Oct 27 21:08:26 <fxspec06> i'm in
Oct 27 21:08:32 <summatusmentis> Whitman, CFO, and Todd Bradley
Oct 27 21:09:27 <fxspec06> here's whitman
Oct 27 21:09:36 <fxspec06> psg will remain part of HP
Oct 27 21:09:56 <rwatkins> wonder if that statement also restores all that market cap loss
Oct 27 21:10:01 <dwc-> no
Oct 27 21:10:13 <dwc-> (a) autonomy
Oct 27 21:10:23 <dwc-> (b) continuing uncertainty
Oct 27 21:10:27 <dwc-> etc etc
Oct 27 21:11:11 <rwatkins> ls
Oct 27 21:11:39 <dwc-> wrong window
Oct 27 21:11:55 <rwatkins> indeed
Oct 27 21:12:03 <fxspec06> lol
Oct 27 21:12:14 <summatusmentis> this certainly doesn't sound like they're going to say anything about webOS
Oct 27 21:12:23 <rwatkins> need "focus follows eyes"
Oct 27 21:12:25 <dwc-> wouldn't count on it
Oct 27 21:12:29 <fxspec06> they might drop a line or two
Oct 27 21:12:43 <summatusmentis> dwc-: me neither, sorta hoping though
Oct 27 21:14:33 <summatusmentis> Todd Bradley now
Oct 27 21:14:41 <dwc-> now all they need is a consumer tablet ;)
Oct 27 21:15:32 <fxspec06> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz
Oct 27 21:16:39 * HattCzech_work *snore*
Oct 27 21:17:26 <summatusmentis> questions section
Oct 27 21:18:24 <hemna> re: she has no idea
Oct 27 21:18:33 <hemna> now throw out some buzzword bingo
Oct 27 21:20:07 <fxspec06> lol, "we're not giving an update on our financials on this call"
Oct 27 21:21:38 <wrea> lol
Oct 27 21:21:45 <hemna> ooh tablet....
Oct 27 21:21:47 <summatusmentis> "how are you thinking about your tablet strategy"
Oct 27 21:21:54 <hemna> blah M$
Oct 27 21:21:55 <summatusmentis> "microsoft based tablets that we have"
Oct 27 21:21:59 <HattCzech_work> ooohhhh webos
Oct 27 21:22:01 <fxspec06> WEBOS! he said webos!
Oct 27 21:22:04 <summatusmentis> "from a webOS perspective, next piece of work to complete"
Oct 27 21:22:11 <dwc-> fxspec06: they can't
Oct 27 21:22:19 <HattCzech_work> that's good news
Oct 27 21:22:22 <summatusmentis> "make right decisions about that product"
Oct 27 21:22:22 <HattCzech_work> booo win8!
Oct 27 21:22:24 <hemna> reading between the lines....windows is it
Oct 27 21:22:27 <hemna> L A M E
Oct 27 21:22:27 <dwc-> quiet period
Oct 27 21:22:42 <summatusmentis> "we're gonna make a decision about the long-term future of webOS over the next couple months"
Oct 27 21:22:52 <rwatkins> aaargh
Oct 27 21:22:55 <fxspec06> ugh
Oct 27 21:22:57 <summatusmentis> "we have to make a more holistic decision about webOS"
Oct 27 21:23:01 <dwc-> no, coming soon to a town near you, not "in the coming months"
Oct 27 21:23:09 <summatusmentis> "review of webOS means software, right? yes"
Oct 27 21:23:13 <HattCzech_work> "in the coming months" is too long away
Oct 27 21:23:28 <hemna> HP epic fail
Oct 27 21:23:32 <fxspec06> so when is this webos holicaust
Oct 27 21:23:41 <rwatkins> any momentum completely gone
Oct 27 21:23:49 <summatusmentis> "win back support support of customers who were frustrated with mixed messages"
Oct 27 21:23:52 <dawm> facebook ppl
Oct 27 21:23:53 <dawm> http://www.takethislollipop.com/
Oct 27 21:23:54 <hemna> that's basically it for HP WebOS then
Oct 27 21:23:55 <dawm> check that our
Oct 27 21:23:56 <hemna> it's done
Oct 27 21:24:32 <akanster> :(
Oct 27 21:27:58 <akanster> hey chuq
Oct 27 21:28:40 <fxspec06> i can't believe it. she just. danced right around it.
Oct 27 21:28:41 <PuffTheMagic> :( its snowing!
Oct 27 21:28:51 <fxspec06> like oh here's a webos question!!
Oct 27 21:29:01 <chuqui> hey
Oct 27 21:29:25 <fxspec06> oh hey lets just say what we've been saying. that even i don't know. nobody knows! nobody cares! we'll figure that out later. psh we have more important things.
Oct 27 21:29:32 <rwatkins> https://twitter.com/#!/balmer/status/129668678185787392
Oct 27 21:30:24 <akanster> lol Dave rocks
Oct 27 21:31:17 <rwatkins> need OS codenames like there were device names.  so instead of "topaz" we can have "comingsoon"
Oct 27 21:31:26 <hemna> more tablet....
Oct 27 21:31:48 <rwatkins> might make a great webOS boot logo
Oct 27 21:31:53 <PuffTheMagic> good think i dont have health issues
Oct 27 21:31:59 <PuffTheMagic> being a webos fan could kill a person
Oct 27 21:32:19 <akanster> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3165575
Oct 27 21:33:22 <hemna> well I think that puts the final nail in the coffin
Oct 27 21:33:38 <fxspec06> someone make a webos wallpaper, with the official webos logo, and the webos font, and below it put "in the coming months..."
Oct 27 21:33:46 <PuffTheMagic> hemna, wasnt the final nail months ago?
Oct 27 21:33:58 <PuffTheMagic> not sure why this is getting everyone stirred up
Oct 27 21:34:00 <akanster> hemna: the coffin is all nails at this point
Oct 27 21:34:03 <hemna> well, I think the lid was put on months ago
Oct 27 21:34:32 <summatusmentis> ultra-mobile "should we expect reentry smartphone"
Oct 27 21:34:35 <rwatkins> "we dont know.  when we do know we'll let you know"  - meg whitman?
Oct 27 21:34:57 <summatusmentis> ultra-mobile doesn't have any relevance to smartphones
Oct 27 21:35:05 <hemna> notebooks = ultra mobile?
Oct 27 21:35:08 <hemna> what an ass clown
Oct 27 21:35:08 <summatusmentis> yeh
Oct 27 21:35:16 <summatusmentis> well, no, to be fair, that's very true
Oct 27 21:35:20 <fxspec06> i've never heard the term ultra-mobile before
Oct 27 21:35:35 <summatusmentis> ultra-mobile is the new "macbook air clone" area of laptops
Oct 27 21:35:39 <fxspec06> oh wow
Oct 27 21:35:43 <akanster> UMPCs
Oct 27 21:35:47 <summatusmentis> yes
Oct 27 21:35:56 <fxspec06> okay. thank you for sharing that tid-bit of information
Oct 27 21:36:05 <akanster> those handheld PCs with slideout keyboards MS was pushing a few years back
Oct 27 21:36:11 <akanster> completely idiotic
Oct 27 21:36:34 <hemna> fail
Oct 27 21:36:35 <summatusmentis> akanster: no, not quite
Oct 27 21:36:36 <dwc-> pfft. UMPCs are like sony's 4 incher
Oct 27 21:36:43 <dwc-> that ran winxp
Oct 27 21:36:44 <fxspec06> i would think a smartphone would be more ultra-mobile than a netbook
Oct 27 21:36:47 <summatusmentis> the MBA-clones is what they're calling ultra-mobile
Oct 27 21:36:59 <fxspec06> oh but i get it... ultra mobile is like a thin laptop, not quite a netbook
Oct 27 21:37:01 <summatusmentis> yes
Oct 27 21:37:08 <akanster> summatusmentis: It's like a PocketPC with full blown Windows + Office
Oct 27 21:37:17 <dwc-> music sucks
Oct 27 21:37:18 <summatusmentis> akanster: that's not what they're refering to
Oct 27 21:37:26 <summatusmentis> and it's not what ultra-mobile means anymore
Oct 27 21:37:30 <fxspec06> like the samsung series 9
Oct 27 21:37:33 <akanster> oh
Oct 27 21:37:43 <akanster> MacBook Air clones?
Oct 27 21:38:18 <summatusmentis> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392228,00.asp
Oct 27 21:38:20 <summatusmentis> forex
Oct 27 21:38:28 <summatusmentis> asus has one too
Oct 27 21:39:02 <summatusmentis> basically, PC versions of the macbook air
Oct 27 21:39:09 <summatusmentis> small, light, "ultra-mobile"
Oct 27 21:39:25 <akanster> ok, these are hot
Oct 27 21:40:31 <summatusmentis> the reviews are basically saying "they're a nice effort, but they're not quite a macbook air"
Oct 27 21:40:54 <dwc-> honestly
Oct 27 21:40:58 <dwc-> I don't give a rat's ass how thin it is
Oct 27 21:41:15 <dwc-> which seems to be the "omg, thinnest EVAR" marketing point
Oct 27 21:41:27 <summatusmentis> dwc-: they're not as heavy
Oct 27 21:41:45 <dwc-> which is what I care about
Oct 27 21:41:52 <akanster> battery life?
Oct 27 21:42:01 <dwc-> as a primary attribute, not as a secondary side effect of a marketing point
Oct 27 21:42:04 <summatusmentis> akanster: I think somewhere between 5 and 8 ours
Oct 27 21:42:06 <akanster> I remember one TIMN reviewed that had 4 hours of battery
Oct 27 21:42:14 <summatusmentis> which one?
Oct 27 21:42:19 <summatusmentis> I think the lenovo one clams 8
Oct 27 21:42:40 <rwatkins> hm. no App News email yet this week.
Oct 27 21:42:57 <akanster> summatusmentis: http://1876.voxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Batlife.png
Oct 27 21:43:04 <akanster> http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/14/acer-aspire-s3-ultrabook-review/
Oct 27 21:43:22 <dwc-> like... I have an x100e (and an x32 and x22 before them) ... weight, screen size, important. thinness, not.
Oct 27 21:43:42 <summatusmentis> dwc-: I don't know, thinness isn't bad
Oct 27 21:44:39 <dwc-> 3.3not saying it is
Oct 27 22:02:45 <Tibfib_> I thought they were ultrabooks, not "ultra mobile"?
Oct 27 22:03:47 <objectconstant> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-were-keeping-the-pc-unit/62081?tag=nl.e589
Oct 27 22:06:52 <wrea> Yep, we know
Oct 27 22:07:52 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: well, I think it's a "new thing" so they just make up terms
Oct 27 22:08:03 <hemna> buzzword bingo
Oct 27 22:09:40 <akanster> ultrabook sounds douchey tho
Oct 27 22:09:58 <Tibfib_> I like ultrabook better than "ultra mobile pc"
Oct 27 23:11:53 <fxspec06> omg i love this image
Oct 27 23:12:01 <fxspec06> "coming months" --> http://cdn.precentral.net/resources/images/000/105/726/large/June-2036.JPG
Oct 27 23:26:31 <EricBlade> hmm. in 2036, i'll be.. uh.. around 60.  i want to be retired and not giving a rats ass about operating systems by then.
Oct 27 23:28:43 <halfhalo> hmm... package from 950 w maude just arrived...
Oct 27 23:30:04 <EricBlade> :O what'd you get
Oct 27 23:30:58 <halfhalo> unicornphone
Oct 27 23:31:12 <wrea> vzn pre3?
Oct 27 23:31:53 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 27 23:32:22 <wrea> Now I just need a pre3 to show up at my house :P
Oct 27 23:32:53 * dwc- hasn't decided what to do with this pre3 yet
Oct 27 23:33:20 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, flush it
Oct 27 23:34:41 <PuffTheMagic> or better yet
Oct 27 23:34:44 <PuffTheMagic> blend it
Oct 27 23:34:45 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 27 23:35:34 <dwc-> only if I can get ad revenue to cover the acquisition cost
Oct 27 23:36:15 <rwhitby> dwc-: that worked for http://veer-disassembly
Oct 27 23:36:23 <rwhitby> oops http://bit.ly/veer-disassembly
Oct 27 23:38:34 * halfhalo puts sim card in for kicks
Oct 27 23:39:21 <dwc-> just from ad revenue?
Oct 27 23:39:24 <fxspec06> PuffTheMagic: but... but WILL it blend?
Oct 27 23:39:25 <dwc-> or the paypal donations too
Oct 27 23:39:30 <fxspec06> o.O
Oct 27 23:45:02 <halfhalo> aww....
Oct 27 23:45:13 <dwc-> locked, right?
Oct 27 23:51:36 <summatusmentis> has anyone been able to successfully load full gmail on the TP browser?
Oct 27 23:55:51 * fxspec06 knows g+ is borked..
Oct 27 23:56:51 <dwc-> g+ mobile and simple actually work on phones now, at least
Oct 27 23:57:36 <EricBlade> summatusmentis: it loads fine. is it useful? well, only if you have one page.
Oct 28 00:00:31 <EricBlade> enyo layout question.  say i have two RowGroup kinds.  I'd like for them to display side-by-side if there's enough space in the parent container, but otherwise vertically if there isn't.  can that be done?  i'm not finding anything like that anywhere
Oct 28 00:03:00 <fxspec06> oh hey a 'remove android' patch. brilliant
Oct 28 00:04:05 <klausa> Yeah, I laughed at that one.
Oct 28 00:08:13 <fxspec06> what about a 'prevent android' patch
Oct 28 00:08:55 <fxspec06> or 'android repellant'
Oct 28 00:09:18 * EricBlade waves his hand at fxspec06, "These aren't the TouchPads you're looking for."
Oct 28 00:09:46 <EricBlade> ok that only barely makes sense. sorry.
Oct 28 00:10:34 <halfhalo> dwc- looks like it.... ahh well
Oct 28 00:10:42 * halfhalo orders tmo sim to test!
Oct 28 00:19:47 <fxspec06> lol
Oct 28 00:35:43 <seretogis> EricBlade: let me/us know if you find a way to display things in columns like that.
Oct 28 00:35:52 <seretogis> EricBlade: that's something I would love to do as well, if at all possible..
Oct 28 00:36:00 <NuttyBunny_Pre3> fxspec06: Hey! I had to logon just to say: EPic tweet :D
Oct 28 00:36:09 <NuttyBunny_Pre3> btw, hi everyone :)
Oct 28 00:37:42 <seretogis> poll: how many of you do your own UI/UX/graphics work? or, what resources do you use if you don't?
Oct 28 00:49:40 <akanster> http://us.blackberry.com/business/playbook/?RMID=B2B_201110_PB_Offer_US_HH&RRID=ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP1234567890123456 - Not quite a firesale
Oct 28 00:54:15 <Clark008> so that's like $150 each?
Oct 28 00:59:59 <fxspec06> Clark008: and a first-born child.
Oct 28 01:02:47 <Clark008> ah, should've known
Oct 28 01:03:04 <Clark008> always gotta have a first born for everything nowadays
Oct 28 01:03:35 <fxspec06> i like to have a few extras, just in case
Oct 28 01:05:49 <Clark008> indeed, gotta stock 'em up
Oct 28 01:07:27 <sugardave> EricBlade: sounds like you want an enyo.Grid
Oct 28 01:08:53 <EricBlade> sugardave: hmm that sounds interesting.
Oct 28 01:10:02 <sugardave> it's not real full-featured nut it fits that very basic description
Oct 28 01:10:10 <sugardave> s/nut/but/
Oct 28 01:10:39 <akanster> sugardave: wait, did it get implemented?
Oct 28 01:13:08 <EricBlade> i did recall reading something on a blog somewhere about grid, but i didn't really pay attention
Oct 28 01:14:01 <akanster> as I remember, we had to get fancy with the virtual list to make a grid
Oct 28 01:14:03 <sugardave> there is an enyo.Grid control
Oct 28 01:14:07 <sugardave> I've tried it out before
Oct 28 01:14:23 <akanster> you have some sample code?
Oct 28 01:14:33 <sugardave> not on me, man
Oct 28 01:15:21 * EricBlade slowly is driven insane by enyo.Scroller
Oct 28 01:29:06 <fxspec06> you really have to put enyo.Scroller inside a enyo.VFlexBox with a layoutKind of enyo.VFlexLayout. but they don't really tell you that
Oct 28 01:43:35 <EricBlade> hmm.. what to do when the bottom element of a scroller keeps rebounding out of the visible display when scrolled.. wtf
Oct 28 01:45:22 <EricBlade> i have this problem only on pre3 emu, not on touchpad
Oct 28 02:07:35 <fxspec06> er <meta name="viewpoint" width="device-width"> or something like that
Oct 28 02:07:48 <fxspec06> i forget the syntagz for it but that's what you need i believe.
Oct 28 02:07:58 <fxspec06> viewport*
Oct 28 02:09:54 <rwhitby> <meta name="viewport" content="height=device-height" />
Oct 28 02:10:26 <rwhitby> oh, you're talking about the other direction
Oct 28 02:13:43 <EricBlade> yeah i've already got that .. it looks like the bottom part of the whole scroller is just non-existent
Oct 28 02:14:19 <EricBlade> ok bbl and then i'll figure it out
Oct 28 02:17:06 <EricBlade> aha, i only had that in for width not height
Oct 28 02:52:01 <seretogis> poll: how many of you do your own UI/UX/graphics work? or, what resources do you use if you don't?
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