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Oct 29 03:42:55 <Shadyman> Hm. hp.com is out of TPs :x
Oct 29 03:56:30 <dwc-> indeed
Oct 29 04:11:33 <Clark008> I can't get touchplayer to work on either 1.04 or 1.05 =\
Oct 29 04:21:31 <CTLAdvance> lol  @leodarts
Oct 29 04:28:22 <Shadyman> Oh dear. Someone on an engadget post extended someone's analogy for the touchpad to include "a uniform in which if a button falls off, you need a special proprietary needle to sew it back on".
Oct 29 04:28:44 <Shadyman> I responded that his extension of the analogy sounded more like Apple than any other manufacturer.
Oct 29 04:28:49 <Shadyman> Flamewar imminent.
Oct 29 04:29:36 <Shadyman> I'm expecting my email box to fill up fairly quick with "Reply notifications"
Oct 29 04:32:13 <CTLAdvance> sounds
Oct 29 05:18:33 <dkirker> Adora!
Oct 29 05:19:13 <Adora> hello
Oct 29 05:19:20 <Adora> our hero has just recovered from a snow crash
Oct 29 05:19:33 <dkirker> hero? snow crash?
Oct 29 05:19:52 <dkirker> uh oh... that doesn't sound good. :(
Oct 29 05:20:32 * rwhitby wonders who our hero is today ...
Oct 29 06:01:14 <Da|Mummy> right. so im in linux, and my sudo pass is unicode, but Novacomm java installer wont accept unicode passwords...
Oct 29 06:20:37 <eieio> sup folks?
Oct 29 07:57:30 <rwhitby> A unicode password is just asking to be locked out of something ...
Oct 29 08:15:32 <ziplock503> what does the 2.2.3 update do for the pre 3 ?
Oct 29 13:48:38 <rwatkins> weekly app hack is now 1 for 3 on announcing the results on time.
Oct 29 14:06:49 <fxspec06> that's 33% for those who aren't good with math
Oct 29 14:06:59 <Khaytsus> 33.3333333333333333333333333333
Oct 29 14:07:04 <fxspec06> 33.3_
Oct 29 14:18:01 <Tibfib_> 33.3^-
Oct 29 14:31:35 <fxspec06> so that's how you do upperscore
Oct 29 15:00:06 <hotdp> http://www.coolshop.dk/catalog/product/64423-might-and-magic-heroes-vi-6--for-pc
Oct 29 15:28:50 <roy-pre101> rwhitby: You around today, by any chance?
Oct 29 15:49:17 <roy-pre101> Or oil?
Oct 29 17:02:06 <CTho> Hi, I'm interested in writing an app that does some simple processing of live audio (e.g. instrument tuner, spectrum analyzer, maybe add an effect like a reverb, or Talking Tom Cat kind of stuff).  What is the best option for capturing the audio?
Oct 29 17:03:41 <CTho> As far as I can tell, the JavaScript API seems to be intended for recording to a file, and not for directly accessing audio samples, and C++ appliaction that used e.g gstreamer (like the homebrew zcorder app) would be ineligible for the app catalog.
Oct 29 17:04:52 <hotdp> ok
Oct 29 18:02:59 <oil> roy-pre101: ?
Oct 29 18:17:03 <roy-pre101> Hey oil.
Oct 29 18:19:46 <roy-pre101> I just posted what was happening in #webos-internals.
Oct 29 18:20:18 <roy-pre101> Looking for some hints on direction to go.  I'm trying a different radio board now to see if that will work.
Oct 29 18:23:13 <oil> and you're activating the pre- on sprint before putting its board into the pre2?
Oct 29 18:25:02 <roy-pre101> It was active before and I was switching it back.
Oct 29 18:25:15 <roy-pre101> It had been previously active on a Pre 2.
Oct 29 18:25:19 <oil> hm
Oct 29 18:25:47 <oil> idk, thats the only time i ever had a problem with the swap was when i forgot to activate it before swapping
Oct 29 18:25:49 <roy-pre101> Trying to switch back to a different pre 2 now.
Oct 29 18:26:24 <roy-pre101> At least it's on the network now, but doesn't have EVDO.  Grr.
Oct 29 18:27:07 <roy-pre101> If I can get this one up I'll just swap the radio board from that one.
Oct 29 18:27:31 <roy-pre101> I tried putting the radio board back in the pre- but it wasn't recognized anymore.
Oct 29 18:27:51 <roy-pre101> I suspected it might be a token issue.
Oct 29 18:27:57 <roy-pre101> But I'm not sure why.
Oct 29 18:32:07 <roy-pre101> Hmm… Sprint operator almost had me do a restore from factory.  Afraid that will replace the tokens.
Oct 29 18:32:22 <roy-pre101> Never done a ##3282#
Oct 29 18:35:39 <roy-pre101> Do you know if you can transfer a prl from one phone to another?
Oct 29 18:41:20 <oil> isnt there something on the wiki about that?
Oct 29 18:50:24 <roy-pre101> Last I read ( a few months ago ) there wasn't a way.
Oct 29 18:58:31 <roy-pre101> Updating the network settings got evdo working again.  Unfortunately you can't do that on a WW build.
Oct 29 18:59:18 <roy-pre101> Trying to transfer radio board …  yes!
Oct 29 19:02:19 <roy-pre101> I'm going to cry...
Oct 29 19:02:29 <roy-pre101> The old pre 2's volume up button was broken.
Oct 29 19:02:41 <roy-pre101> This new one I just got has a broken volume -down- button.
Oct 29 19:02:43 <roy-pre101> :(
Oct 29 19:03:14 <hotdp> lol :S
Oct 29 19:08:05 <oil> roy-pre101: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_PRL_Update
Oct 29 19:08:34 <roy-pre101> There we go, got it
Oct 29 19:09:31 <roy-pre101> Ah good, thanks oil!  I'll look into that, it's definitely been updated since I read that.
Oct 29 19:09:47 <roy-pre101> And I fixed the volume button thing
Oct 29 19:17:00 <wrea> Hey, guys. Smart office promo at blog.palm.com
Oct 29 19:19:03 <summatusmentis> it's telling me it's gone already
Oct 29 19:19:20 <wrea> Damn, then I got it just in time
Oct 29 19:19:42 <wrea> I got it and immediately told you guys
Oct 29 19:20:33 <summatusmentis> I should have reacted sooner to the tweet that I saw
Oct 29 19:20:45 <summatusmentis> I just assumed it was "hey, look, now it's available"
Oct 29 19:22:13 <dwc-> what? gone already?
Oct 29 19:22:22 <dwc-> guh... 12 min?
Oct 29 19:24:46 <dwc-> summatusmentis: what acct is tweeting?
Oct 29 19:25:00 <dwc-> (not that I read twitter with any regularity)
Oct 29 19:25:42 <summatusmentis> dwc-: it was palm, then ArthurThornton retweeted it
Oct 29 19:26:53 <dwc-> hmm, ok, thanks
Oct 29 19:26:54 <summatusmentis> also webOSdev, apparently
Oct 29 20:04:54 <dawm> woo neat trick for moving apps from different panes on the touchpad
Oct 29 20:05:03 <dawm> just drag it to the pane title and itll switch panes
Oct 29 20:05:10 <dawm> no need to try and go left or right
Oct 29 20:38:29 <dawm> In Taiwan, a favorite pizza combination is onions, peas, squid, shrimp and crab.
Oct 29 20:40:58 <wrea> interesting
Oct 29 20:43:09 <wrea> Now I want pizza, thanks :P
Oct 29 20:45:29 <klausa> That sounds awful.
Oct 29 20:49:57 <dwc-> sounds good
Oct 29 21:02:12 <CTho> after reading more and playing around with enyo/more-examples/MediaCapture code, it sounds like I should be able to get what I need in javascript...but even though everything else seems to work the onVuData handler doesn't appear to get called
Oct 29 21:02:22 <CTho> how can I figure out why?
Oct 29 21:02:36 <CTho> (I've been hacking up soundCapture.js)
Oct 29 22:49:10 <EricBlade> anyone know who is in charge at webos101 ?
Oct 29 22:49:37 <hotdp> :)
Oct 29 22:53:17 <dwc-> maybe that roy-pre101 guy
Oct 29 22:53:44 <roy-pre101> huh...
Oct 29 22:53:47 <roy-pre101> Maybe.
Oct 29 22:53:57 <roy-pre101> EricBlade: What do you need?
Oct 29 22:58:51 <hotdp> i think all can contribute
Oct 29 23:25:46 <ziplock503> roy u figure out that prl stuff?
Oct 29 23:39:58 <EricBlade> roy-pre101: the wiki has been significantly spam-vandalized recently, not sure if there's a way to rapidly remove it all
Oct 29 23:55:13 <fxspec06> man i love devving in the dark on freetether via powersave mode
Oct 29 23:55:45 <roy-pre101> EricBlade: Damn, OK.  I thought I had those guys stopped for a while.
Oct 29 23:56:11 <fxspec06> heh the power is out, i hear cop cars in the snowstorm outside.
Oct 29 23:56:31 <roy-pre101> Somehow they're getting past the webOS-specific questions now
Oct 29 23:57:47 <fxspec06> what is going on now?
Oct 29 23:58:40 <Shadyman> DOH. SmartOffice code has reached its limit for Canada. Boo-urns
Oct 29 23:58:40 <fxspec06> did i miss somethign
Oct 29 23:58:52 <Shadyman> fxspec06: (07:34:10 PM) EricBlade: roy-pre101: the wiki has been significantly spam-vandalized recently, not sure if there's a way to rapidly remove it all
Oct 30 00:00:15 <roy-pre101> I have not yet found a way to block a user and rollback all edits in one go.
Oct 30 00:00:27 <roy-pre101> Seems like the most obvious way to handle the problem but I can't find a way.
Oct 30 00:02:25 <EricBlade> fxspec06: snow storm.. yuck!
Oct 30 00:03:34 <EricBlade> if you can rollback to a specific point, it's not like there's been a ton of edits recently ;)
Oct 30 00:03:47 <roy-pre101> True.  Not sure if I can do that, either.
Oct 30 00:03:49 <EricBlade> i've never tried to un-spam a wiki before though
Oct 30 00:04:11 <roy-pre101> I'm sure it takes me longer to clean up than it takes them to do it.
Oct 30 00:05:50 <roy-pre101> Mmm, mass-delete.  That's what I need
Oct 30 00:06:58 * DougReeder waves hello
Oct 30 00:08:08 <fxspec06> yeah it's pretty bad here
Oct 30 00:08:09 <DougReeder> Is anyone working on a desk acessory for this weeks App Hack?
Oct 30 00:08:10 <fxspec06> i guess
Oct 30 00:08:12 <fxspec06> idk.
Oct 30 00:08:24 <fxspec06> i just know it's ridiculously uncomfortable coding right now
Oct 30 00:08:32 <fxspec06> and hard to see screen
Oct 30 00:09:37 <fxspec06> and i can't see keys and ugh
Oct 30 00:11:25 <Shadyman> ooh app hack
Oct 30 00:13:01 <DougReeder> It would have been nice if they'd had time to run App Hacks before.
Oct 30 00:14:08 <DougReeder> For the text-to-speech App Hack, I added speech to PopupCalc. It was an interestingf exercize, but I'm not sure how uses it would be to end users.
Oct 30 00:27:18 <asdf_> hi,  I am learning to build some app on my palm pre plus, I upgraded it to webos 2.1. Now I try to sftp it, but I failed, I tried many times, followed the steps in webos-internal.org
Oct 30 00:28:33 <asdf_> can any one help me ?
Oct 30 00:33:21 <DougReeder> You could set up the SDK, novaterm in, and use ftpget and ftpput.
Oct 30 00:39:41 <dwc-> can you ssh in?
Oct 30 00:40:51 <fxspec06> oh boy lovely
Oct 30 00:40:52 <asdf_> I can use novaterm to control it
Oct 30 00:43:31 <asdf_> i tried "ssh -p 5522 root@localhost"
Oct 30 00:43:38 <asdf_> works
Oct 30 00:44:25 <fxspec06> it's been an hour without no power, what am i to do
Oct 30 00:44:28 <asdf_> i dont know why is this port, 5522 though
Oct 30 00:46:13 <DougReeder> fxspec06 , go out to dinner. :-)
Oct 30 00:47:21 <CTho> is this the right channel for SDK-usage questions?
Oct 30 00:48:33 <fxspec06> oh yeah i'm gonna go eat some snow
Oct 30 00:48:35 <fxspec06> sounds tasty
Oct 30 00:50:26 <fxspec06> why wasn't the power company ready for this. they were ready for irene
Oct 30 00:50:35 <fxspec06> prime time on a saturday night
Oct 30 00:50:42 <fxspec06> no power?!? this is unacceptable
Oct 30 00:52:10 <dwc-> 5522? did you change the port?
Oct 30 00:52:24 <dwc-> where are you running that ssh ... @localhost from? novaterm?
Oct 30 00:57:03 <asdf_> no, on my laptop, ubuntu
Oct 30 01:03:56 <DougReeder> CTho Yes.
Oct 30 01:05:30 <CTho> DougReeder: ok thx
Oct 30 01:06:27 <CTho> I ended up posting my question here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=18862 - my onVuData handler doens't appear to be getting called (during recording)
Oct 30 01:33:07 <EricBlade> CTho: i don't have a specific answer for you, however, there is an app called "splMeter" that uses the old mediacapture and it's Vu
Oct 30 01:35:46 <EricBlade> i have no idea if this is translatable to something current, but it apparently does a "this.audioRecorder = libraries.mediacapture.MediaCapture()", then on a timer, it mucks with this.audioRecorder.vuData.length
Oct 30 01:36:08 <CTho> EricBlade: where do I find that app?
Oct 30 01:36:17 <EricBlade> it's in the catalog
Oct 30 01:37:20 <EricBlade> i do not read mojo based code very well, though, so my understanding of it is pretty limited
Oct 30 01:38:40 <CTho> EricBlade: after I download the app onto my touchpad how do I unpackage it and get it on my PC?
Oct 30 01:40:03 <EricBlade> CTho: i haven't tried to do that, but you could login to the touchpad with Putty or some other ssh tool or something, and then cp it over to /media/internal, then go into usb mode and copy it .. i think
Oct 30 01:40:10 <EricBlade> i just read code on my touchpad via ssh
Oct 30 01:41:34 <EricBlade> after installing the app, it's located at /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/net.bradleygraber.splmeter
Oct 30 01:41:39 <CTho> thanks, I'll see if I can figure osmething out from that
Oct 30 01:41:50 <CTho> that was going to be my next challenge :)
Oct 30 01:43:14 <CTho> is there a way to get a real vim on here?
Oct 30 01:51:07 <EricBlade> i use vi on putty, not sure what difference is between that and vim
Oct 30 01:52:49 <CTho> syntax highlighting, multi-level undo, etc
Oct 30 01:53:26 <EricBlade> having used unix for nearly all my life, i've managed to somehow avoid learning anything in vi more than "search" "replace" and the basic navigation commands
Oct 30 02:00:42 <EricBlade> powering down and doing some rewiring back in a few
Oct 30 02:37:00 <CTho> EricBlade: thanks - with a lot of guessing based on the mojo in the spl meter app, I've got data now
Oct 30 02:37:11 <EricBlade> oh nice!
Oct 30 02:44:16 <CTho> how do I set an HTML attribute?
Oct 30 02:44:27 <CTho> this example instantiates a canvas:
Oct 30 02:44:28 <CTho> 		{name: "canvas", nodeTag:"canvas",style: "width:600px;height:200px;border: 2px solid green;background: #000000;margin-left: 100px;"},
Oct 30 02:45:00 <CTho> the generated attribute does get the style attribute set with a proper width and height, but HTML canvases also care about what the actual width and height attributes are set to
Oct 30 02:47:51 <CTho> ah, domAttributes
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