**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 01 02:59:57 2011
Nov 01 03:08:16 * DougReeder nods
Nov 01 03:09:11 <DougReeder> I had hoped to do a text entry popup for email and notes, but the lack of kehboard inout really limits things.
Nov 01 03:09:49 <DougReeder> I'm curious to see what people come up with
Nov 01 03:38:06 <dwc-> Shadyman: got a control key? ctrl-[
Nov 01 03:38:29 <Shadyman> hmmm
Nov 01 03:38:35 <Shadyman> i'll have to try that
Nov 01 03:38:45 <rwhitby> Xecutah actually has in-app documentation that tells you how to get Ctrl and Esc
Nov 01 03:38:46 <dwc-> also, if you're using the busybox vi, I think ctrl-c gets you back to cmd mode too
Nov 01 03:38:59 <dwc-> does holding T on the bluetooth keyboard do that though?
Nov 01 03:39:29 <dwc-> well, I guess you could leave the on-screen keyboard up
Nov 01 03:39:48 <rwhitby> Shadyman: are you using Xecutah ?
Nov 01 03:40:12 <rwhitby> on a TouchPad?
Nov 01 03:40:39 <rwhitby> ah, bluetooth keyboard. ok, it doesn't have doc for that.
Nov 01 03:43:39 <Shadyman> rwhitby: Yes.
Nov 01 03:43:59 <Shadyman> keyboard has control, but no ESC :9
Nov 01 03:44:27 <rwhitby> so Xecutah tips tells you to use Ctrl+[
Nov 01 03:44:55 <Shadyman> cool
Nov 01 04:33:35 <PatrickC> oh how I hate sending stuff in for repair
Nov 01 04:34:00 <PatrickC> how is everyone tonight?
Nov 01 04:35:49 <akanster`> we are webOS'ing!
Nov 01 04:36:25 <PatrickC> WOO!!
Nov 01 04:36:32 <akanster`> heh
Nov 01 04:36:41 <PatrickC> everyone I show the pre3 to say how awesome the phone is
Nov 01 04:37:00 <PatrickC> then I say "theres like 300-400 of them in the wild"
Nov 01 04:37:07 <wrea> Maybe you'll see your phone in a month
Nov 01 04:37:11 <PatrickC> then I see a sad panda
Nov 01 04:37:22 <wrea> Now I can laugh at everyone who has to send stuff in
Nov 01 04:37:25 <PatrickC> one would hope
Nov 01 04:37:31 <PatrickC> send  stuff in?
Nov 01 04:38:10 <wrea> for repair
Nov 01 04:38:31 <PatrickC> they won't accept the pre3 for repair
Nov 01 04:38:34 <PatrickC> no warranty
Nov 01 04:38:37 <PatrickC> I've  tried :P
Nov 01 04:40:26 <rwhitby> there's way more than 400 in the wild
Nov 01 04:40:32 <PatrickC> the one thing I don't like about the pre3 is how slow it is
Nov 01 04:40:39 <PatrickC> rwhitby: of the AT&T ones?
Nov 01 04:40:46 <PatrickC> I didn't think many made it out
Nov 01 04:40:48 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 01 04:41:04 <PatrickC> oh wow.. that's awesome
Nov 01 04:41:16 <PatrickC> figured they locked down on the people selling them
Nov 01 04:47:24 <dwc-> way more than that
Nov 01 04:47:29 <dwc-> 400 is only ~ 1 pallet
Nov 01 04:48:34 <PatrickC> never thought about it that way. yeah. I would say there are a few pallets around :)
Nov 01 04:48:49 <PatrickC> it is an amazing phone..
Nov 01 04:52:08 <dwc-> it is pretty nice
Nov 01 08:43:10 <ajay> hey folks!
Nov 01 08:44:02 <ajay> quick q for power/heavy users-- how much of your ext3 partition do you generally use up? (like how many gBs)
Nov 01 08:44:38 <ajay> i've used up almost the entire 2 when i put both debian & ubuntu on there, and i think a lot of tools too, don't quite remember.. wondering how much space i should give the beast
Nov 01 08:48:57 <ajay> ok, guess i'll join you all in sleepin.. ;^) ta!
Nov 01 14:12:04 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Nov 01 14:24:33 <swisstomcat> crickets
Nov 01 14:40:57 <dwc-> mornin
Nov 01 15:28:45 <dwc-> Subject: Helpful tips for your new Veer
Nov 01 15:29:01 <dwc-> moving at the speed of hp/palm!
Nov 01 15:29:14 <oilsworkn> "scale"?
Nov 01 15:29:26 <singmajesty> Good morning
Nov 01 15:29:37 <dwc-> that veer got added to that new palm account almost 2 months ago?
Nov 01 15:29:59 <dwc-> I wonder if I'll now get 2 copies of the palm app news
Nov 01 15:30:14 <singmajesty> If you do, its because you're twice as special
Nov 01 15:30:28 <dwc-> I already know I'm "special" ... I don't need palm to tell me that ;)
Nov 01 15:30:53 <singmajesty> I once heard something I thought was funny, regarding "special"
Nov 01 15:31:07 <singmajesty> Someone told someone else, "I'm special!"
Nov 01 15:31:24 <singmajesty> The other asked, "Special like you need a cookie, or special like you need a helmet?"
Nov 01 15:31:51 * dwc- thinks briefly
Nov 01 15:31:58 <dwc-> all three!
Nov 01 15:32:00 * dwc- nods
Nov 01 15:32:18 * singmajesty likes helmets
Nov 01 15:32:23 * oilsworkn assumes helmet special
Nov 01 15:39:23 <dwc-> maybe even Dark Helmet special
Nov 01 15:40:42 <singmajesty> Dark Helmet. That sounds ominous
Nov 01 15:41:09 <singmajesty> Does it come with raspberry jam?
Nov 01 15:41:28 <halfhalo> not as ominous as... dark omlet!
Nov 01 15:41:47 <dwc-> no, you're confusing that with marmite
Nov 01 15:42:03 <dwc-> which is definitely ominous
Nov 01 16:28:25 <vividboarder> Hey, is there a good list of changes for the latest OS update? I haven't done it yet as I don't know the policy on that for users with Preware and Chroot Ubuntu.
Nov 01 16:31:40 <HattCzech_work> upgrade works fine... as do all updates
Nov 01 16:32:04 <HattCzech_work> and what "policy" are you referring to?
Nov 01 17:10:27 <oilsworkn> most of our stuff is update safe
Nov 01 17:13:14 <dwc-> the chroots are
Nov 01 17:13:29 <dwc-> (where "our" = "webosinternals")
Nov 01 17:13:50 <dwc-> the 3.0.4 changelog, well, only know what hp has said are the changes
Nov 01 17:17:28 <oilsworkn> yeah, thats what i mean by our xD
Nov 01 18:13:21 <dawm> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat256900050019&type=category
Nov 01 18:14:15 <dwc-> HP TouchPad for $149.99
Nov 01 18:14:19 <dwc-> Our Price:
Nov 01 18:14:19 <dwc-> $599.99
Nov 01 18:14:21 <dwc-> hah
Nov 01 19:04:29 <sc30317> I can't get exhibition to show anything but the clock apps, even though I have Agenda, Photos & Videos, Facebook Tablet, AccuWeather, and Govnah installed in the exhibition menu.  Does anyone know why this is?
Nov 01 19:06:40 <hotdp> have you restarted the phone?
Nov 01 19:08:50 <sc30317> hotdp, touchpad; and yes
Nov 01 19:10:12 <hotdp> Have you contacted "palm" support`?
Nov 01 19:11:15 <dwc-> something something don't forget to doctor before you do?
Nov 01 19:11:44 <HattCzech_work> sc30317: so you don't see the option in the drop down list at the top left?
Nov 01 19:11:47 <Shadyman> something something something dark side?
Nov 01 19:12:14 <sc30317> HattCzech_work, got it
Nov 01 19:12:16 <sc30317> thanks
Nov 01 19:12:18 <hotdp> http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/common/article/43473_en.html
Nov 01 19:12:29 <HattCzech_work> no problem :)
Nov 01 19:12:36 <hotdp> damn you HattCzech_work
Nov 01 19:12:37 <Matbee> blarp
Nov 01 19:12:42 <HattCzech_work> <- problem solver right here
Nov 01 19:12:46 <HattCzech_work> hahahah
Nov 01 19:13:59 <hotdp> HattCzech_work maybe you can solve mine
Nov 01 19:14:12 <hotdp> Where can i get a free win dev phone?
Nov 01 19:28:10 <rwatkins> hotdp: Richard Kerris?
Nov 01 19:28:21 <hotdp> Should i tweet him?
Nov 01 19:28:58 <HattCzech_work> did you sign up for the win7 dev phone thing? (month or so ago)
Nov 01 19:29:16 <hotdp> i think so
Nov 01 19:42:10 <Matbee> I did
Nov 01 19:42:21 <Matbee> you have to release 3 apps onto their market to be considered for a free phone
Nov 01 20:04:50 <hotdp> Matbee but how should i test without device?
Nov 01 20:06:27 <Matbee> emulator
Nov 01 20:06:33 <Matbee> you can also get a test device from them
Nov 01 20:06:56 <Matbee> but they'll only give it to you when you NEED the device
Nov 01 20:08:00 <halfhalo> bleh.  started laughing at something while drinking some soda and spilled.  stupid white shirt
Nov 01 20:09:36 <Matbee> ... did you guys see this?
Nov 01 20:09:42 <Matbee> http://i.imgur.com/WvinH.jpg
Nov 01 20:09:54 <Matbee> ive been rofling for like 30 minutes
Nov 01 20:10:00 <Shadyman> LOL
Nov 01 20:10:06 <wrea> lol
Nov 01 20:10:38 <Matbee> it's seriously the funniest thing ive seen all week
Nov 01 20:19:11 <rsanchez1> hey guys, have a quick question: how do you make it so an app can rotate portrait or landscape depending on device orientation in Mojo on the Touchpad?
Nov 01 20:19:27 <rsanchez1> I tried: this.controller.stageController.setWindowOrientation("free") but it's not working for me
Nov 01 20:23:26 <hotdp> Matbee LOL
Nov 01 20:23:40 <hotdp> Have you greated any apps for win?
Nov 01 20:25:47 <leiru> rsanchez1: mojo?
Nov 01 20:28:19 <leiru> rsanchez1: this.controller.stageController.setWindowOrientation("free"); <-- in your setup function
Nov 01 20:28:22 <leiru> ?
Nov 01 20:28:54 <rsanchez1> ah, it has to go in setup?
Nov 01 20:30:20 <rsanchez1> setup in stage assistant, scene assistant, or app assistant?
Nov 01 20:47:06 <leiru> i have mine in the scene assistents setup, rsanchez1
Nov 01 20:47:27 <leiru> but stage assistent should work to, if you want orientation-changes everywhere
Nov 01 20:47:35 <leiru> too
Nov 01 22:11:24 <haeffb> so, the iPhone 4s pretty much does everything I need it to do...
Nov 01 22:13:01 <summatusmentis> don't say that
Nov 01 22:13:12 <summatusmentis> I'm trying so hard not to be tempted, and it's not working
Nov 01 22:14:46 <rwatkins> the 4s however does not wake up and download my offline content in the background. thats a major failing.
Nov 01 22:15:12 <summatusmentis> wake up and download your offline content?
Nov 01 22:15:16 <summatusmentis> what does this mean?
Nov 01 22:15:44 <rwatkins> it means my podcast client is always up to date with downlaoded shows
Nov 01 22:15:57 <summatusmentis> oh, I see
Nov 01 22:16:02 <rwatkins> it means my Instapaper client already has my articles downloaded before I go into the subway and realize it hasnt sycned.
Nov 01 22:16:29 <summatusmentis> does webOS do thee things?
Nov 01 22:16:34 <rwatkins> yes
Nov 01 22:16:40 <summatusmentis> interesting
Nov 01 22:16:57 <summatusmentis> and are there no clients that would do these things on iOS?
Nov 01 22:17:25 <rwatkins> no, as you cant just have your app wakeup and run in the background whenver it wants
Nov 01 22:17:52 <rwatkins> limited multitasking in iOS leads to this sort of situation
Nov 01 22:18:09 <summatusmentis> ah, I see.
Nov 01 22:19:12 <rwatkins> "the cloud" is cool and all, until you find yourself in the subway.
Nov 01 22:23:57 <summatusmentis> no, I get it. Interesting
Nov 01 22:32:58 <rwhitby> rwatkins-afk: or in the outback
Nov 01 22:45:50 <panel> hi
Nov 01 23:06:24 * haeffb doesn't live near a subway or in the outback
Nov 01 23:07:50 <summatusmentis> I live in both the subway and the outback, simultaneously
Nov 01 23:08:10 <dwc-> I just claimed my free steak at the outback last night
Nov 01 23:08:44 <dwc-> I don't find the subway to be all that good, even at $5 for a footlong
Nov 01 23:29:07 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, spicy italian double meat w/ provalone toasted w/ lettuce, spinach, tomatoes, shit ton of onions, black olives, jalepenos, pepper, little oil, little mayo
Nov 01 23:38:38 <dwc-> I dunno, the sandwiches all seem to taste the same (vegetables) unless you ditch a lot of the vegetables
Nov 01 23:38:52 <dwc-> imo
Nov 01 23:51:34 <Tibfib_> haeffb: liking mine as well
Nov 01 23:51:49 <Tibfib_> nowhere near perfect, but having apps is awesome.
Nov 01 23:58:40 <SineOt> Am I just dense, or is it impossible to get a more fine grained method to move around the typing cursor on the Touchpad? There isn't really an symbol key to hold down to get the little virtual trackball bit
Nov 02 00:00:21 <dwc-> I haven't found it yet, if there is one
Nov 02 00:02:37 <SineOt> Seems like an odd thing to leave out of 3.x
Nov 02 00:05:02 <rwhitby> there is no way that I know of
Nov 02 00:29:16 <Tibfib_> kind of. They were pressed for time. doesn't seem like an essential to me.
Nov 02 01:27:27 <Jorophose> does webOS have a working Qt4 port for the palm pixi plus? is it worth buying at all? i'd really like to experiment with one, but only if i don't end up stuck with Mojo/Enyo... :|
Nov 02 01:27:31 <Jorophose> *:/
Nov 02 01:28:02 <LoneStar> Mojo/Enyo is nice
Nov 02 01:28:33 <rwhitby> there is no working qt4 port for the pixi
Nov 02 01:28:44 <Jorophose> I know, but I'd just like more options than less
Nov 02 01:28:58 <Jorophose> rwhitby: how hard would it be? i guess it's because the Pixi is slower?
Nov 02 01:29:18 <rwhitby> what experience do you have in cross-compilation for embedded devices?
Nov 02 01:29:42 <Jorophose> just really curious because a local "overstock" company has the pixi plus for about $90... which seems like a sweet deal for what's at the very worst the best feature phone at the price
Nov 02 01:30:04 <Jorophose> no experience yet. i know my terminology and i've been around the scene but don't have any ARM hardware to experiment with
Nov 02 01:31:06 <rwhitby> Pixi is not a good device to cut your teeth one.  For a start, it's brickable.
Nov 02 01:32:09 <rwhitby> and you will find no on-line information to help you learn about it
Nov 02 01:33:25 <Jorophose> haha well that sucks...
Nov 02 01:33:56 <Jorophose> but yeah. i just figured because the price was right to replace my crappy old phone, and get a chance to start playing around with Linux on ARM
Nov 02 01:34:34 <Clark008> some best buy still have veers
Nov 02 01:34:56 <Jorophose> hmm, is that states-side only? i'm north of the border
Nov 02 01:35:09 <Clark008> .ca bbys?
Nov 02 01:35:36 <Jorophose> nah, nothing on bestbuy.ca :/
Nov 02 01:35:51 <Clark008> it won't show online, gotta go into a shop and ask I guess...
Nov 02 01:36:52 <Jorophose> yeah, but i don't think odds are high, especially if they sent them all back like with the touchpads :/
Nov 02 01:39:08 <Clark008> some didn't
Nov 02 01:39:18 <Clark008> I saw some veers the other day
Nov 02 01:39:27 <Clark008> not sure if they're full price or $50
Nov 02 01:45:00 <Jorophose> hmm... i guess i'll just have to keep looking :/
Nov 02 01:45:02 <Jorophose> ah well
Nov 02 01:45:07 <Jorophose> thanks anyway guys :)
Nov 02 02:09:22 <LoneStar> Accessing Google API requires OAuth2.0
Nov 02 02:09:32 <LoneStar> any library can do that?
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