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Nov 10 03:04:27 <yugecn> hi,everyone
Nov 10 03:16:41 <JM> AY
Nov 10 03:54:50 <wrea> wow, hp finally took the veer's off the hp store site
Nov 10 03:55:53 <DougReeder> Well, at least they gave the Veer a chance to suceed.
Nov 10 03:56:27 <wrea> How?
Nov 10 03:56:38 <wrea> It's been OOS since the firesale
Nov 10 03:56:58 <wrea> But still listed on the site
Nov 10 03:57:01 <DougReeder> By releasing it on an actual carrier, for long enough for people to obtain it.
Nov 10 04:05:40 <mattsmcnulty> halfhalo is a slacker
Nov 10 04:05:56 <halfhalo> only on days that end with -day
Nov 10 04:06:01 <mattsmcnulty> ;-)
Nov 10 04:33:10 <GLaDOS> hello mattsmcnulty, how goes it?
Nov 10 04:37:25 <mattsmcnulty> oh, you know.
Nov 10 04:37:50 <GLaDOS> yeah, unfortunately
Nov 10 05:29:03 <Freman> hehe takes a little longer to install a 4meg package than a 80k one
Nov 10 05:30:37 <Shadyman> nowai
Nov 10 05:40:25 <Freman> 512k connections suck
Nov 10 05:45:39 <halfhalo> yup
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 10 05:56:30 2011
Nov 10 07:30:48 <EricBlade-TP> ugh.. whole city is blacked out or browned out.. yay for having a touchpad
Nov 10 07:39:23 <Freman> so um, anyone in aus with a touchpad interested in a bom radar app for tests and feedback? :D
Nov 10 07:39:31 <Freman> I just finished the configuration - I hope lol
Nov 10 07:39:36 <Freman> (works here :D)
Nov 10 07:39:41 <hewball> Freman: yes
Nov 10 07:42:04 <Freman> sorry, it's not an app, it's an exhibition app :D
Nov 10 07:55:08 <EricBlade-TP_> fun my router is dropping from lack of sufficient power sometimes
Nov 10 08:50:54 <PaNeL> hi
Nov 10 11:35:15 <Freman> lol, my paypal token just gave me 000000
Nov 10 14:25:45 <Nalkem> hello
Nov 10 16:26:01 <halfhalo> people with their blasting of (c)rap music in my campus's parking structure.... tsktsktsk
Nov 10 16:26:41 * halfhalo blasts hootie back.  and wins.
Nov 10 17:10:51 <chandoo> hi
Nov 10 17:11:17 <chandoo> i recently got touchpad 32gb
Nov 10 17:11:28 <chandoo> played with preware
Nov 10 17:11:39 <chandoo> what else interesting can be done
Nov 10 17:12:41 <trout> besides putting android on it, nothing
Nov 10 17:23:03 <chandoo> yeh, i think the same trout
Nov 10 17:23:21 <chandoo> trout:} how far android port is sucessful
Nov 10 18:07:21 <akanster> lol - http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/11/09/get-to-work
Nov 10 18:34:52 <chandoo> how to create dump of touchpad
Nov 10 18:39:58 <chandoo> what is the small push slot on the right side of the device
Nov 10 18:40:02 <chandoo> what is that for
Nov 10 18:40:55 <halfhalo> has some fcc/s/n/ numbers on it, on the fake-g models it is a sim card slot
Nov 10 18:52:22 <NuttyBunny> hey! I'm online! hahahaha  hi everyone :)
Nov 10 18:53:08 <wrea> welcome to the internet :P
Nov 10 18:53:11 <eberon_> hay guys
Nov 10 18:53:20 <eberon_> I just noticed for the first time that I can't copy/paste in Bing Maps on WebOS2
Nov 10 18:53:29 <eberon_> is this an issue with Enyo on WebOS2?
Nov 10 19:40:16 <PatrickC> hey guys
Nov 10 19:40:18 <PatrickC> hows it goin?
Nov 10 19:43:00 <PatrickC> quick question on virtual lists
Nov 10 19:43:10 <PatrickC> whats the easiest way to make them full screen?
Nov 10 19:43:17 <PatrickC> (yes, im googling, but also asking)
Nov 10 19:43:53 <rwatkins> you need to refine your question
Nov 10 19:44:01 <Shadyman> mmm refined sugar
Nov 10 19:44:37 <PatrickC> i have a virtual list, but it only fills up a small poriton of the screen
Nov 10 19:44:44 <PatrickC> i want it to fill up the entire screen below the button
Nov 10 19:45:14 <panel> PatrickC hi
Nov 10 19:45:21 <rwatkins> then look into the size of its container, or the flex attributes of layout
Nov 10 19:45:48 <PatrickC> the layoutKind is HFlexLayout
Nov 10 19:45:56 <PatrickC> ahh.. i see the width stuff now
Nov 10 19:45:58 <panel> and hi to the Shadyman and rwatkins too :)
Nov 10 19:46:16 <PatrickC> hey Shadyman panel and rwatkins :)
Nov 10 19:46:44 <panel> :))
Nov 10 19:47:21 <PatrickC> hmm.. now that i took the style attribute out, i have no list :/
Nov 10 19:47:53 <PatrickC> ahh.. % is your friend i see
Nov 10 19:50:54 <GLaDOS> create a layout kind of whatever type and make it the size you want, then put flex: 1 on the contents (the list)
Nov 10 19:51:23 <PatrickC> GLaDOS, i got that fixed
Nov 10 19:51:42 <PatrickC> but now i have to figure out how to populate the list based on what my picker says.. hm...
Nov 10 19:52:23 <GLaDOS> there are methods to listen for when you make the selection
Nov 10 19:53:07 <PatrickC> i know.. i have a this.log fire when i change the picker, but not sure how to get the picker's value for the list
Nov 10 19:53:10 <PatrickC> pasting the pane
Nov 10 19:53:16 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/UKZ90igK
Nov 10 19:53:48 <GLaDOS> likely the event object has something like the index or the value of the selected option
Nov 10 19:54:21 <PatrickC> the error im getting is "Uncaught ReferenceError: Invalid left-hand side in assignment
Nov 10 19:54:21 <PatrickC> "
Nov 10 19:54:31 <PatrickC> not sure what to put in the if statement to get the value of the picker
Nov 10 19:56:18 <GLaDOS> which line gives that error?
Nov 10 19:56:19 <GLaDOS> plus
Nov 10 19:56:31 <GLaDOS> you don't have a second argument to your pickerPick function
Nov 10 19:56:32 <PatrickC> 46
Nov 10 19:56:40 <GLaDOS> pickerPick: function(inSender, inEvent)
Nov 10 19:56:46 <GLaDOS> inEvent probably has the data you want
Nov 10 19:56:50 <PatrickC> all i want right now is for it to update the picker
Nov 10 19:56:51 <PatrickC> hmm...
Nov 10 19:57:21 <PatrickC> it fires the log fine when i use it.. which is why i thought it would be fine
Nov 10 19:57:22 <GLaDOS> oh, 46 is wrong, yes
Nov 10 19:57:35 <PatrickC> see, idk what to put there to get the value :)
Nov 10 19:57:46 <GLaDOS> you are tring to assign a value instead of checking it for equality
Nov 10 19:57:49 <GLaDOS> == or ===
Nov 10 19:57:51 <GLaDOS> BUT
Nov 10 19:57:55 <PatrickC> ahh
Nov 10 19:58:09 <GLaDOS> why are you referencing a hardcoded element when you have it already with inSender?
Nov 10 19:58:23 <GLaDOS> inSender.getValue() == whatever
Nov 10 19:58:35 <PatrickC> cause im still a js newb :)
Nov 10 19:58:43 <PatrickC> that worked.. doing ==
Nov 10 19:58:51 <PatrickC> now.. to have it populate with XML
Nov 10 19:58:51 <GLaDOS> and it's probably better to try and get it from the inEvent arg
Nov 10 19:59:12 <GLaDOS> that way you aren't making another function call (redeundant)
Nov 10 20:01:06 <GLaDOS> and why on earth would you use XML?  JSON is sooooo much easier to deal with
Nov 10 20:01:28 <PatrickC> cause the API i use is XML
Nov 10 20:01:39 <GLaDOS> weak sauce for sure
Nov 10 20:01:51 <GLaDOS> you can't hit a different URL or pass a different arg to get JSON instead?
Nov 10 20:01:51 <PatrickC> and why would this not work? http://pastebin.com/3ebncdNt
Nov 10 20:02:01 <PatrickC> its SHOUTcast
Nov 10 20:02:08 <PatrickC> nope
Nov 10 20:02:13 <PatrickC> they give XML only
Nov 10 20:02:17 <PatrickC> afaik
Nov 10 20:02:41 <GLaDOS> first google hit, use &f=json in the querystring
Nov 10 20:02:57 <PatrickC> what did u google?
Nov 10 20:03:27 <halfhalo> oh my god....
Nov 10 20:03:44 <GLaDOS> before looking at that last pastebin, I'm going out on a limb and saying "because you wrote it"
Nov 10 20:03:54 <GLaDOS> now let's see
Nov 10 20:03:55 <PatrickC> cause the only thing on their sites that have JSON is now-playing etc.
Nov 10 20:04:51 <GLaDOS> PatrickC: still don't know how to do if/else?  there should be no commas after the brackets of each if/else clause
Nov 10 20:05:09 <PatrickC> currently, im only wanting to do http://dev.aol.com/SHOUTcast/documentation#31 and they dont have a JSON part for it..
Nov 10 20:05:24 <PatrickC> GLaDOS, umm.. really? when i was writing them before i thought i did..
Nov 10 20:05:29 * PatrickC goes to try
Nov 10 20:06:14 * PatrickC should try more things before asking next time
Nov 10 20:07:06 <halfhalo> you could also try learning js as well.  that may help.
Nov 10 20:07:28 <PatrickC> i could also be doing that as im donig this
Nov 10 20:07:30 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: enyo uses commans after brackets, iirc
Nov 10 20:07:34 <PatrickC> i havent done any coding in a while
Nov 10 20:07:39 <PatrickC> summatusmentis, normally it does
Nov 10 20:07:42 <PatrickC> which is why i did that
Nov 10 20:07:49 <GLaDOS> STOP
Nov 10 20:07:50 <PatrickC> but i guess if/else doesnt no matter what
Nov 10 20:08:18 <halfhalo> thats because enyo is dealing with objects and properties, not if/else
Nov 10 20:08:20 <GLaDOS> the commas that enyo/javascript uses after brackets are when you are creating objects.  ie:
Nov 10 20:08:32 <summatusmentis> I'm noe exactly familiar, but the difference is that enyo is doing objects, whereas writing real code
Nov 10 20:08:45 <summatusmentis> or, you know, what everyone else said
Nov 10 20:09:01 <GLaDOS> well, I"m not going to write an example here, since halfhalo STOLE MY THUNDAR
Nov 10 20:09:08 <halfhalo> DAMN STRAIGHT
Nov 10 20:09:30 <summatusmentis> and when those objects are being defined, the commas are usually to separate list items, right?
Nov 10 20:09:45 <halfhalo> summatusmentis yup.
Nov 10 20:09:50 <GLaDOS> they separate the properties/methods from each other basically
Nov 10 20:09:58 <PatrickC> summatusmentis, u should code lol
Nov 10 20:10:23 <GLaDOS> PatrickC: there's going to be no harm in trying that EXACT same API call you're trying with &f=json
Nov 10 20:10:27 <GLaDOS> if it works, luck you!
Nov 10 20:10:47 <PatrickC> GLaDOS, first, i have to have my virtual list re-populate when i change the params
Nov 10 20:10:59 <PatrickC> cause right now, it only does the if, not the else if or the else
Nov 10 20:11:02 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I do code
Nov 10 20:11:06 <summatusmentis> just not for webOS
Nov 10 20:11:12 <halfhalo> I wonder why only if works....
Nov 10 20:13:26 <summatusmentis> wait, what?
Nov 10 20:13:51 <halfhalo> yellow
Nov 10 20:13:58 <scoutcamper> green
Nov 10 20:14:02 <PatrickC> red
Nov 10 20:14:08 <wrea> plaid
Nov 10 20:14:16 <halfhalo> windows
Nov 10 20:14:52 <halfhalo> There is loud musac coming from outside my office.  I dun like it
Nov 10 20:16:00 <summatusmentis> play louder music inside your office
Nov 10 20:21:29 <Shadyman> ^
Nov 10 20:23:11 <panel> please have anybody any experience connecting to webdav file server in webos ?
Nov 10 20:25:54 <EricBlade> whoa after being off their chargers all night due/most of day due to power failure, my pre is at 30% battery and pre plus at 92% .. both were in full airplane mode. wow.
Nov 10 20:26:33 <Lazar_Dobrescu> running same os version?
Nov 10 20:26:44 <panel> EricBlade and battery is ok ?
Nov 10 20:26:58 <EricBlade> yea.  my guess is the pre was actually used a lot longer than the pre plus before they ended up in my hands. i have new batteries en route
Nov 10 20:27:24 <EricBlade> i really expected that the plus would drain faster than that though
Nov 10 20:27:37 <PatrickC> got my problems fixed
Nov 10 20:27:46 <PatrickC> now time to play with the XML/JSON feeds
Nov 10 20:28:01 <panel> EricBlade where have you buyed batteries ?
Nov 10 20:28:15 <EricBlade> panel: amazon, found them for $2 i think
Nov 10 20:28:29 <panel> they are'n original ...
Nov 10 20:28:37 <panel> aren't
Nov 10 20:29:23 <PatrickC> EricBlade, pre3?
Nov 10 20:29:32 <EricBlade> pre, pre+
Nov 10 20:29:36 <panel> EricBlade have you tried dr. battery to get battery health ?
Nov 10 20:29:49 <EricBlade> ah, i forgot about that prog
Nov 10 20:29:50 <PatrickC> ah
Nov 10 20:30:02 <PatrickC> hmm.. now to figure out how to make it populate with the feed...
Nov 10 20:32:35 <PatrickC> GLaDOS, the &f=json& doesnt work
Nov 10 20:39:44 <panel> what kernel do you recomends for pre+ ?
Nov 10 20:40:08 <PatrickC> panel, i like to go all out and use SR71, but some phone cant handle it
Nov 10 20:41:00 <PatrickC> has anyone used the enyo.xhrGet function?
Nov 10 20:41:08 <PatrickC> dont see much documentation on it
Nov 10 20:41:49 <panel> btw. all phones with 2.1 after map update have enyo framework ?
Nov 10 20:41:54 <PatrickC> yes
Nov 10 20:42:02 <panel> nice
Nov 10 20:42:04 <PatrickC> even 1.4.x phone i believe got the map update
Nov 10 20:42:19 <panel> i will look at my pre+
Nov 10 20:42:44 <panel> there are few things that are not working for me in mojo
Nov 10 20:44:42 <PatrickC> thanks for the help guys
Nov 10 20:44:44 <PatrickC> g2g
Nov 10 20:45:19 <panel> sorry for dumb quetion, can I use at same time mojo and enyo fw ?
Nov 10 20:49:21 <leiru> öh
Nov 10 20:49:24 <leiru> fail whale
Nov 10 20:54:28 <GLaDOS> panel, yes you can load Enyo and Mojo frameworks in the same app
Nov 10 20:54:42 <GLaDOS> PatrickC_Away: bummer, guess you're not lucky
Nov 10 20:56:24 <panel> GLaDOS thanks
Nov 10 20:58:06 <panel> but this not solve my big problem, that I can't send session id in cookie in upload request via download manager :(
Nov 10 20:58:27 <GLaDOS> can you use regular Ajax instead?
Nov 10 20:58:33 <GLaDOS> a post or something
Nov 10 20:59:04 <panel> in webos you can upload file only via download manager
Nov 10 20:59:23 <panel> and i'm authenticated on server
Nov 10 20:59:54 <panel> and i can't anyway send it in 2.1
Nov 10 20:59:54 <GLaDOS> if you write your own service, you should be able to do whatever you want
Nov 10 21:00:09 <panel> hmm
Nov 10 21:00:26 <panel> i don't know how to do it
Nov 10 21:00:44 <GLaDOS> ah, it's tricky but there's a basic service sample included with the SDK
Nov 10 21:00:50 <panel> do you mean with node.js ?
Nov 10 21:00:52 <GLaDOS> yes
Nov 10 21:01:04 <panel> ok, i will look at that
Nov 10 21:01:14 <panel> thanks
Nov 10 21:01:21 <GLaDOS> np, good luck!
Nov 10 21:01:25 <panel> i'm now sick, i have time
Nov 10 21:01:26 <panel> :D
Nov 10 21:03:23 <panel> GLaDOS you are programming apps too ?
Nov 10 21:03:34 <GLaDOS> I have written some apps before :)
Nov 10 21:03:45 <GLaDOS> I don't have any Enyo apps in the catalog
Nov 10 21:27:15 <chandoo> hi
Nov 10 21:28:44 <chandoo> i have one typical problem, when i am browsing at times when i enter username and password, the boxes are too small, i have to zoom in to enter details , is it possible to zoom the text boxes when clicked on it like in apple products
Nov 10 21:48:03 <GLaDOS> chandoo: double-tap the field
Nov 10 21:48:14 <GLaDOS> or pinch-zoom the whole screen
Nov 10 22:13:37 <Freman> Does the webos packaging format support symlinks?
Nov 10 22:26:48 <GLaDOS> Freman: why do you need that?  you can only package things in the app/service dir(s)
Nov 10 22:27:36 <Freman> bom uses the same image with multiple filenames, and the lazy person in me is just "meh symlink it, solved"
Nov 10 22:28:03 <Freman> rely on the filesystem to do the work rather than waste brain and cpu cycles checking for a "uses x background not y!"
Nov 10 22:29:23 <fxspec06_> is there any audio option other than html5 audio
Nov 10 22:29:45 <Freman> blissful silence?
Nov 10 22:29:54 <fxspec06_> ew, gross.
Nov 10 22:30:10 <fxspec06_> i need sound, and i need it bad. html5 is not cutting it
Nov 10 22:30:24 <GLaDOS> Freman: maybe it would work, but I've never tried something like that
Nov 10 22:31:13 <Freman> alternative is either doubling the size of my package or maintaining references in code - first is completely unappealing... second is omg I'm so lazy :D
Nov 10 22:42:37 <dawm> added more ram and a new keyboard
Nov 10 22:42:52 <dawm> i love this kb, its so quiet and has a quick button for opening calc.exe
Nov 10 23:09:53 <fxspec06_> palm's recommendation for my problem: "If possible, avoid playing multiple sounds simultaneously."
Nov 10 23:10:29 <dawm> lol
Nov 10 23:23:39 <Shadyman> lewl
Nov 10 23:25:56 <wrea> no thats what i call problem solving
Nov 10 23:27:39 <wrea> now*
Nov 10 23:39:29 <fxspec06_> mmk, so i guess it would be best to listen to palm. yee?
Nov 10 23:39:47 <EricBlade> so, any news happen while i've been without power for the last day+ ?
Nov 10 23:42:06 <fxspec06_> yes! webos fate will be announced in the coming months, and hp is rumored to be deciding wether to either keep or to sell webos
Nov 10 23:42:14 <fxspec06_> awesome news, rite?
Nov 10 23:44:10 <EricBlade> fantastic.
Nov 10 23:48:04 <Loudergood> they should change the name to "In the coming months OS"
Nov 10 23:53:28 <rwhitby> they'll make that name change in the coming weeks I'm sure
Nov 10 23:56:08 <scoutcamper> lol
Nov 11 00:07:35 <EricBlade> there's no way to gift people apps is there
Nov 11 00:09:50 <HattCzech_work> if you made it, yes
Nov 11 00:10:23 <HattCzech_work> otherwise... maybe ask developer and send them money? :)
Nov 11 00:10:28 <EricBlade> yuck
Nov 11 00:33:42 <madnificent> any ideas on this: when charging my pre2, it suddenly stops charging and starts drawing power from the battery (way) before it's fully charged.  If i plug the power cord out and back in, it starts changing normally again.  It seems to me like a software issue, but i have no idea where to start lookin.g
Nov 11 00:34:37 <madnificent> also, <3 govnah for making this analysis easy
Nov 11 00:35:22 <madnificent> also, it charges at a rate between 500 and 600 mA, i don't know what it used to be
Nov 11 00:39:41 <madnificent> also, it seems like pmwsfdaemon is taking over 100% of the cpu, before the charger stops charging.
Nov 11 00:43:25 <madnificent> also, govnah doesn't show the cpu temperature anymore... not sure where that came from
Nov 11 00:44:38 <fxspec06_> woahhhhhhhhhhh
Nov 11 00:44:49 <fxspec06_> has anyone subbd an update lately? what is this spinning blue circle
Nov 11 00:44:55 * fxspec06_ mind blown
Nov 11 00:45:42 <rwhitby> madnificent: govnah can only show CPU temperature if you have a custom kernel installed
Nov 11 00:51:10 <Shadyman> fxspec06_: the new spinner?
Nov 11 00:52:41 <fxspec06_> ya the blue update spinner
Nov 11 00:53:02 <fxspec06_> did their servers get slower at receiving uploads (is that possible)
Nov 11 00:54:03 <madnificent> rwhitby: i thought i had a custom kernel installed... odd
Nov 11 00:54:16 <Shadyman> fxspec06_: the new spinner came out with the last OTA
Nov 11 00:54:19 <Shadyman> 3.0.4 was it?
Nov 11 00:54:29 <fxspec06_> nah, on the update portal
Nov 11 00:54:32 <Shadyman> Oh.
Nov 11 00:54:35 <Shadyman> Nevermind.
Nov 11 00:55:54 <fxspec06_> http://i.imgur.com/M2KGm.png
Nov 11 00:56:01 <fxspec06_> that spinner
Nov 11 00:56:20 <Shadyman> ah
Nov 11 00:56:24 <Shadyman> weird
Nov 11 00:56:51 <madnificent> rwhitby: looks like it's not on the phone... how odd.  i doubt the custom kernel will solve the issues though
Nov 11 01:10:14 <madnificent> rwhitby: odd, i think it should've stopped charging by now... perhaps the custom kernel did fix it (that'd be awesome)
Nov 11 01:10:37 <madnificent> (but also something indicating a subtle bug somewhere)
Nov 11 01:15:24 <dwc-> interesting, HP added an OBD-II app, but touchpad only
Nov 11 01:18:48 <Shadyman> first-party?
Nov 11 01:19:09 <Shadyman> like, the Official HP OBD2 app?
Nov 11 01:19:11 * Shadyman headtilts
Nov 11 01:19:38 <dwc-> yes
Nov 11 01:20:02 <Shadyman> wtf
Nov 11 01:20:06 <Shadyman> yay bluetooth.
Nov 11 01:20:13 <dwc-> yea, what else. certainly not usb
Nov 11 01:20:27 <Shadyman> well, *could* be.
Nov 11 01:20:42 <Shadyman> but not likely, because then they'd have to start supporting USB Host applications and such
Nov 11 01:20:47 <dwc-> exactly
Nov 11 01:20:56 <dwc-> now it's time for me to find a compat bt obd dongle
Nov 11 01:21:19 <dwc-> I'd thought it would be neat when I got my phone, but I didn't want to write the software side
Nov 11 01:21:25 <dwc-> too bad it doesn't run on the phones though
Nov 11 01:24:16 <Shadyman> probably not enough screen space
Nov 11 01:24:24 <Shadyman> though
Nov 11 01:24:39 <dwc-> scaling, selectable displays
Nov 11 01:24:47 <Shadyman> well, there goes that idea
Nov 11 01:24:55 <Shadyman> though I thought someone already had one of those apps out?
Nov 11 01:25:03 <Shadyman> trying to sell their bluetooth dongle with it
Nov 11 01:25:17 <dwc-> and have a webos app?
Nov 11 01:25:47 <Shadyman> yeah
Nov 11 01:26:01 <Shadyman> I'd expect something like this would work. http://www.dealextreme.com/p/elm327-bluetooth-obd-ii-wireless-transceiver-dongle-16921
Nov 11 01:26:31 <Shadyman> Though I could probably make something an asston cheaper, that casing would be difficult to replicate
Nov 11 01:27:57 <dwc-> hmm, hadn't heard of one before
Nov 11 01:32:23 <Shadyman> dwc-: "DigiOBD Pad: OBD II Scan Tool", $10.99?
Nov 11 01:32:41 <Shadyman> DigiKat Software Company; No reviews
Nov 11 01:35:38 <madnificent> rwhitby: scratch that, it started failing again, only later
Nov 11 01:58:13 <PuffTheMagic> just go to harbor freight and get a ODBII scan tool and call it a day
Nov 11 01:58:28 <PuffTheMagic> all the are good for is error codes
Nov 11 01:58:51 <Shadyman> Or speed, tach, etc
Nov 11 01:58:57 <dwc-> real-time speed/tach/fuel consumption
Nov 11 01:59:11 <dwc-> and... the last time I looked, there wer eno harbor freights near me
Nov 11 01:59:13 <PuffTheMagic> because u dont already have speed/tach on your dash?
Nov 11 01:59:17 <Shadyman> clearly
Nov 11 01:59:25 * Shadyman ponders TP-powered dashboard
Nov 11 01:59:50 <PuffTheMagic> if u have a manual u have a tach, if u dont, why do u need a tach?
Nov 11 01:59:59 <dwc-> actually, my old car had a broken tach
Nov 11 02:00:17 <dwc-> (of course it didn't have an obd2, and if it did, it'd read 0 like the dashboard)
Nov 11 02:00:29 <dwc-> and you don't need a tach for a manual anyways
Nov 11 02:00:36 <PuffTheMagic> i didnt say need
Nov 11 02:00:42 <PuffTheMagic> but every manual has one
Nov 11 02:00:56 <PuffTheMagic> so odb2 gains u othing
Nov 11 02:00:58 <PuffTheMagic> nothing
Nov 11 02:01:06 <dwc-> realtime logging
Nov 11 02:01:11 <PuffTheMagic> of what? o2?
Nov 11 02:01:20 <dwc-> everything!
Nov 11 02:01:21 <PuffTheMagic> i doubt u have a wideband o2 sensor
Nov 11 02:01:26 <PuffTheMagic> so again, useless
Nov 11 02:02:05 * PuffTheMagic wonders what dwc- is gonna do with his logs
Nov 11 02:03:39 <dwc-> maybe I'm gonna graph my drag races
Nov 11 02:03:53 <dwc-> you know, the ones I'll start doing after
Nov 11 02:04:17 <PuffTheMagic> lol right, with your car that has no tach
Nov 11 02:04:43 <dwc-> that was my old car
Nov 11 02:04:55 <dwc-> might even be older than you
Nov 11 02:06:43 <PuffTheMagic> with out a wide band you can do any sort of real tuning so logs are completely useless
Nov 11 02:08:31 <dwc-> hmm, online the cheapest obd tools at harbor freight is $60
Nov 11 02:08:44 <PuffTheMagic> i got mine at harbor for 25
Nov 11 02:08:53 <PuffTheMagic> does odbii/can
Nov 11 02:09:05 <dwc-> should hope so
Nov 11 02:10:16 <PuffTheMagic> i miss my old maxima, just got megasquirt running on it before i got a new maxima
Nov 11 02:10:27 <PuffTheMagic> megasquirt ftw
Nov 11 02:11:39 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ opensource diy car computer :D
Nov 11 02:50:53 <madnificent> PuffTheMagic: was the megasquirt complex to install?  what did you end up paying for it?
Nov 11 02:56:57 <fxspec06_> i need a pre 3.
Nov 11 02:57:05 <fxspec06_> what kind of webos fan doesn't have a pre 3
Nov 11 02:58:01 <Shadyman> fxspec06_: Me :(
Nov 11 02:58:10 <Shadyman> Image of the day: http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/308402_200894596651257_126894987384552_458333_1459949569_n.jpg
Nov 11 02:58:41 <wrea> i dont either
Nov 11 02:58:52 <fxspec06_> why question be made of stupid? =(
Nov 11 02:59:10 * madnificent doesn't have one either (legitimate trolling is fun)
Nov 11 02:59:41 <fxspec06_> i don't think the vzw ones will ever come down in price
Nov 11 02:59:47 <fxspec06_> not the way the at&t ones have..
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