**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 18 02:59:57 2011 Nov 18 03:00:03 webos will wait until tomorrow Nov 18 03:00:05 night Nov 18 03:00:25 ugh my popcorn had just finished popping, too Nov 18 03:00:29 lol Nov 18 03:00:58 this was almost like UFC on FOX all over again Nov 18 03:06:09 should have sold tickets Nov 18 03:08:08 there's always tomorrow Nov 18 03:10:33 jcsullins: i won't know that until i wake up in the morning. Nov 18 03:10:57 hopefully the sun shall rise again! Nov 18 03:11:49 lol. just sayin': have your popcord at-the-ready for tomorrow :) Nov 18 03:12:07 s/popcord/popcorn/ Nov 18 03:36:18 errr... adding forcasts is going to require.... more interesting methods of storing data Nov 18 03:36:38 and parsing it, seems every state in australia sends their data to BOM in xml.... except queensland Nov 18 03:40:42 oh and the NT Nov 18 03:42:38 hi Nov 18 05:19:49 hey Nov 18 05:19:52 these touchpad things Nov 18 05:19:55 they got websock support? :) Nov 18 05:27:28 i recieved 2.1.2 update notification on my HP Veer, but my device version was already 2.1.2 Nov 18 05:30:06 might test for websock support later, cos that'd rock Nov 18 05:35:42 provided I don't get blind drunk, in which case I won't be testing much of anything lol Nov 18 05:35:51 the toilet? Nov 18 05:37:39 nah Nov 18 05:43:39 i believe there is an older version of websock, which is marginally useless Nov 18 05:44:06 i may be wrong about that. it's either not there, or it's a nearly useless version of it. Nov 18 05:45:02 I can make it useful if it exists in any shape or form Nov 18 05:49:40 someone suggested looking into Socket.IO Nov 18 05:52:23 please, can you recommend me a nice tutorial on webos app development, or even better, an open-source application for me to dig in the code? Nov 18 05:53:04 astruasdh: developer.palm.com Nov 18 05:53:35 EricBlade: too generic, I am sorry... it is not easy to find informations there. do you have a bookmark on this topic? Nov 18 05:53:38 and while there are plenty of open source apps out there, the developer SDK comes with the source code to several of the apps included with the TouchPad as well Nov 18 05:53:48 hmmm Nov 18 05:54:05 developer.palm.com -> Resources -> Enyo Tutorial ? Nov 18 05:54:08 lol, you can gut the email client if you want, it's source is right there Nov 18 05:54:21 awesome Nov 18 05:54:29 but I needed something to explain concepts Nov 18 05:54:58 for example, what is enyo, what is mojo, how the framework is used (digging in the internals, sometimes the concatenated is used, sometimes the builtins, etc) Nov 18 05:55:20 that is a bit more difficult to get into. There's some of that in the tutorial, there's more on the HP webOS Developer Blog, there's a lot on Fahhem's blog Nov 18 05:55:22 I have zero knowledge about webos Nov 18 05:55:33 Do you know JavaScript ? Nov 18 05:55:39 yes Nov 18 05:55:54 You're a step ahead of me, then, and I already have an app out and working on another ;) Nov 18 05:56:19 hmmm awesome Nov 18 05:56:36 I'm learning the OS, JavaScript, and the Enyo framework all at the same time! it hurts. Nov 18 05:56:47 I spent 2 days digging in the internals to solve the matching between the incomming calls/sms against the contact list Nov 18 05:57:08 this was the only contact I had with webos Nov 18 05:57:17 Ah, yes, I remember that. Screwed up your device pretty good at least once right? :D Nov 18 05:57:27 hahaha yeah! Nov 18 05:57:54 Get used to that, if you're poking around in important files like that Nov 18 05:57:55 I forgot an " and it rebooted in loop hehe Nov 18 05:58:16 I could so decrease my app's boot time with websocks... I could decrease without websocks but that's more hard work than it's worth :D Nov 18 05:58:34 what app are you talking about? Nov 18 05:58:49 secret Nov 18 05:59:35 but I could be feeding it the frames it's waiting for as they're downloaded and processed rather than making it wait till I have downloaded and processed the lot Nov 18 05:59:35 astruasdh: unfortunately, the documentation is a bit lacking for directly helping new people get into it, but I come from a PHP and UnrealScript background, and UnrealScript is a bit like Java .. and the Enyo framework makes a -lot- more sense to me coming from an OO background than plain JavaScript does Nov 18 06:00:18 when left alone with naked javascript I usually end up with a perfectly functional mess Nov 18 06:00:22 enyo helped me with that Nov 18 06:00:24 *hugs* enyo Nov 18 06:00:32 home time, ttfn Nov 18 06:01:55 basically, Enyo encapsulates all your stuff into class-like objects called "kinds". Each "kind" contains the objects, variables, and functions, that make it work. Nov 18 06:03:44 mm Nov 18 06:04:16 Aside from the various things that need to be setup in appinfo.json and other files describing your app, you can create a Hello, World app in Enyo, with something as simple as: enyo.kind( { name: "MyApp", kind: "VFlexBox", components: [ { kind: "Item", content: "Hello, World" } ] }); Nov 18 06:04:51 nice! Nov 18 06:05:00 I had a doubt when reading the db api Nov 18 06:05:21 so, that defines your app as a VFlexBox, which contains an Item, and the Item's content is "Hello, World." Nov 18 06:05:45 I should probably be writing all this down somewhere Nov 18 06:05:45 the operator % is a prefix search... so if I use % with "aaa", all data starting with "aaa" will be returned. how to select thing in the end of the string? Nov 18 06:06:00 EricBlade: awesome! Nov 18 06:06:11 EricBlade: and it is also easy to use the gps and stuff? Nov 18 06:07:06 i've never even looked for the GPS stuff Nov 18 06:10:37 thanks EricBlade Nov 18 06:10:43 what do you think about webos market? Nov 18 06:12:12 it's small, but dedicated Nov 18 06:12:37 There's anywhere from 500,000 to 1,000,000 or so tablets out there Nov 18 06:12:48 there's 3,000,000 phones out there Nov 18 06:13:40 and the users likes to download/buy apps? Nov 18 06:14:40 I think if you have a good app you can make money. Nov 18 06:16:13 there are ~4.2 million profiles, app purchase is tied to profile, and I imagine a large portion of those profiles are inactive now. Nov 18 06:16:46 hmmm Nov 18 06:17:04 does hp/palm discontinued the webos? or it is still under development? Nov 18 06:17:17 os yes, hardware no Nov 18 06:22:04 hmmm I found nice the idea of having a really open-source OS Nov 18 06:22:14 I mean, you only need to login and change the .js Nov 18 06:22:30 andoid, for example, is almost proprietary! the only open-source stuff is its name Nov 18 06:24:22 gtg... cya guys Nov 18 06:24:47 its 4:22 AM here, and 7AM I will wake up Nov 18 06:26:29 brazil I guess - not many places in that timezone. Nov 18 08:17:52 interesting that there are parts of Enyo that are almost, but not entirely, broken. Nov 18 08:38:50 rwatkins: it seems that scrollers in Enyo, at least in GV, are slightly faster/smoother when not accelerated, on the Pre Nov 18 09:12:43 hello Nov 18 09:12:59 have anybody prblem with installing uberCalendar on veer ? Nov 18 09:25:15 * EricBlade pulls hair out dealing with scrollers Nov 18 09:43:42 my layout only works right if I nest two scrollers together, which I don't want to do. wtf Nov 18 11:39:25 anybody else receive a Nigerian Scam email that appears to be from someone at HP ? Nov 18 12:20:35 nope Nov 18 12:20:49 but I have consumed yummy alcohol so, I'd probably reply and have some fun with them :D Nov 18 12:32:17 no sir i have not Nov 18 12:49:18 hi everybody, how to use my own module(using module.exports = MyModule) in webOS service? IMPORTS.require('./test') is not working Nov 18 12:52:37 =_= Nov 18 12:52:43 anybody here? Nov 18 12:55:25 last chance to get minecraft at 25% off - tomorrow morning the price goes up Nov 18 13:02:07 hi everybody, how to use my own module(using module.exports = MyModule) in webOS service? IMPORTS.require('./test') is not working Nov 18 13:14:20 EricBlade: is there even hardware acceleration on the 1.4 webkit? Nov 18 13:14:42 hi everybody, how to use my own module(using module.exports = MyModule) in webOS service? IMPORTS.require('./test') is not working Nov 18 13:15:39 ioNull honestly no-one has left or come since the last time - repeating probably isn't going to help - just sit back and be patient if someone has the answer they'll come Nov 18 13:16:15 Freman: sorry.. Nov 18 13:17:09 Freman: I'm checking it out that someone is not sleeping.. lol Nov 18 13:39:19 rwatkins: i don't have any way to quantify it, but twiddling with the accelerated parameter seems to have an effect. on one of my repeaters, false made an improvement, on another, it would barely move at all unless i had true. But the Pre just plain can't handle scrollers in Enyo very well it looks like Nov 18 13:39:54 EricBlade: scrollers in Paper Mache were not fast, but reasonable. Nov 18 13:40:12 the DOM of what they scroll is not particularly complex though Nov 18 13:41:08 I sent up the Enyo sample apps for Repeaters and Lists and they are pretty dog slow too Nov 18 13:42:52 have you tried on a Pre3? I've found the Pre3 to be slower than the Pre and Pre2 for some things. Nov 18 13:51:06 i don't have access to one Nov 18 13:52:52 the fpsShowing flag on scroller doesn't seem to work :| Nov 18 13:53:24 probably have to set it on the fly Nov 18 13:56:22 * EricBlade shrugs, it's like 5 hrs past bedtime. later Nov 18 14:30:42 payday! Nov 18 14:40:59 http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2011/10/31/end-nigh-webos-month.htm Nov 18 19:31:54 what'd I miss? Nov 18 19:32:11 EricBlade: ping Nov 18 19:33:35 finally. ubuntu on a computer with internet!! WOO! Nov 18 19:34:10 cwayne: ping Nov 18 19:34:20 PatrickC: yo Nov 18 19:34:27 I'll PM you Nov 18 19:35:38 * NuttyBunny has always had ubuntu on his computers with internet.. big deal ;) Nov 18 19:36:02 * halfhalo doesn't have a computer with ubuntu as the base os Nov 18 19:36:21 halfhalo: boooooo Nov 18 19:36:38 NuttyBunny: you have also always had a computer that was more up-to-date then mine :P Nov 18 19:36:54 * halfhalo uses windows. and mac. LIKE A REAL MAN Nov 18 19:37:44 * NuttyBunny won't pay for Windows or MacOS :D Nov 18 19:37:52 lol Nov 18 19:38:20 * NuttyBunny prefers to spend his money on webOS apps to support his fellow developers Nov 18 19:38:29 halfhalo: yeah right Nov 18 19:39:14 NuttyBunny: good man Nov 18 19:39:20 Database Error Database error Nov 18 19:39:20 The database has encountered a problem. (P|C Nov 18 19:39:34 * halfhalo had technet. and bought air. Nov 18 19:40:28 Newegg is tempting me to buy more ram for my desktop. Nov 18 19:40:53 and by more, I mean double. and what I have now is already excessive Nov 18 19:42:24 mmm.... 32GB of 1866mhz ddr3.... Nov 18 19:42:27 * halfhalo drools Nov 18 19:42:55 dang.... Nov 18 19:43:05 my laptop has a max of 8 iirc Nov 18 19:44:05 My air is maxed out at 4. My T400 has some multiple of 4 (else the intel card gets wonky), my desktop is currently at 16, and the mini has some random amount Nov 18 19:44:47 cus ram is cheap Nov 18 19:44:58 the 16gb in my desktop cost me less than a hundred Nov 18 19:45:09 meh. I paid $350 for my laptop. can't complain Nov 18 19:45:24 it was $250, but after tax+warranty.. still... Nov 18 19:45:41 * halfhalo spend more than that on his desktops video card.... bleh Nov 18 19:46:25 stupid 7xxxHD needs to be released so I can buy two 7950's for my desktop to replace its 5850. Nov 18 19:46:35 lol Nov 18 19:46:45 I NEED TO SEE MAH BF3'S STUFF BLOWN UP IN THE H DEE'S Nov 18 19:47:13 my laptop has a HD card. more then I'll use Nov 18 19:47:37 Hd card? wtf do you mean by that Nov 18 19:48:10 it has an HD graphics card* Nov 18 19:48:29 That means absolutely nothing Nov 18 19:49:03 spec thing on the front just says Intel HD Graphics Nov 18 19:49:09 and it has an HDMI out Nov 18 19:49:10 lolololololol Nov 18 19:49:17 which is all I need lol Nov 18 19:49:18 hd3000? sucks Nov 18 19:50:04 cwayne sorta kinda. Its pretty decent in my air, but for anything more intensive tis bleh Nov 18 19:50:11 beats the 3470 in my thinkpad though Nov 18 19:50:17 laptop is NV55C49U Nov 18 19:50:17 hah Nov 18 19:50:42 I don't do gaming. or I would have gotten a better laptop lol Nov 18 19:50:42 PatrickC: what does 'lspci | grep VGA' output Nov 18 19:51:49 Intel Corperation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) Nov 18 19:51:52 oh, and hd3000 has quicksync Nov 18 19:52:02 which is bitchin 75% of the time Nov 18 19:53:16 you know... I think that i3 in that laptop only has the first gen intel hd stuff Nov 18 19:54:14 I believe its only a 1st gen i3 with 1st gen grapgics Nov 18 19:54:18 graphics* Nov 18 19:54:44 I'm sorry Nov 18 19:55:04 like I said. it was really cheap Nov 18 19:55:13 doesn't bother me at all Nov 18 19:55:22 its a major step up from what I had lol Nov 18 19:55:31 next year, I'll be getting a new macbook pro Nov 18 19:55:36 * halfhalo could have gotten much better with 3-4 hundred dollars Nov 18 19:55:52 halfhalo: where? Nov 18 19:56:01 the internets.... Nov 18 19:56:15 meh.. I didn't want to ship anything Nov 18 19:56:23 bought it open box at a local best buy Nov 18 19:57:09 600 would net me a shiny latitude with warranty left on it Nov 18 19:57:19 didn't have 600 Nov 18 19:57:22 my max was 500 Nov 18 19:59:07 you paid $80 for a warranty on a a $250 laptop? Nov 18 19:59:20 http://forum.notebookreview.com/notebooks-desktops-sale/624625-fs-ft-sony-vaio-vpcs134gx.html boom Nov 18 19:59:42 dwc-: 60 and it covers the battery too Nov 18 19:59:47 the rest was tax Nov 18 19:59:54 and it was $300 with $50 off Nov 18 20:00:06 had a deal I didn't even know about Nov 18 20:00:11 $40 of tax on a $250 product? Nov 18 20:00:24 that seems awfully high for any US state sales tax Nov 18 20:00:56 the tax was also on the $60 warranty Nov 18 20:01:14 and I'm giving approx numbers. Nov 18 20:01:26 so think of it as tax on $310 Nov 18 20:01:39 * halfhalo laughs at bestbuy "warranty" Nov 18 20:02:08 halfhalo: I can put my fist thru it and they'll fix it Nov 18 20:02:17 id say that's worth $60 Nov 18 20:02:25 Try it. See what happens Nov 18 20:02:43 hello - does anyone have a touchpad out of the US/Canada areas by chance? Nov 18 20:02:44 99% chance that they refuse service due to windows not being on it Nov 18 20:03:21 halfhalo: I never removed windows Nov 18 20:03:23 They will try to find any excuse to void the warranty Nov 18 20:03:46 they can if they want Nov 18 20:03:53 they won't find a good enough one Nov 18 20:04:25 Yes. Yes they will. Good enough for them to refuse to fix it and force you to take them to court over breach of contract Nov 18 20:05:53 Because its best buy. Its what they do Nov 18 20:06:53 * halfhalo has a deep seated hatred of best buy Nov 18 20:08:27 mainly due to them shoving extended warranties down peoples throats and selling 5 year old crappy 30 dollar video cards for 99. Nov 18 20:55:42 who in here uses Phnx? Nov 18 21:04:39 my hoonigan limited edition numbered tshirt arrived (#369 of 500), rage, skyrim, and my android phone Nov 18 21:04:44 i do/did Nov 18 21:06:19 dawm_: android phone? Nov 18 21:06:28 samsung epic Nov 18 21:06:38 ah Nov 18 21:06:39 you like? Nov 18 21:06:46 dunno yet just took it out of the box Nov 18 21:06:51 havent activated it yet Nov 18 21:06:58 kinda dont want to Nov 18 21:06:59 * summatusmentis was contemplating Nexus S Nov 18 21:07:04 gonna miss the touchstone Nov 18 21:07:31 srsly Nov 18 21:07:47 nexus s is a nice phone but will be better with ICS Nov 18 21:08:12 well, ICS is why I want it Nov 18 21:08:16 or, why I'm considering it Nov 18 21:10:12 i feel its a bit dated now - might be better to see what other "google reference" phones they churn out soon Nov 18 21:11:05 well, the new one is Galaxy Nexus Nov 18 21:11:12 but that's not gonna be on sprint Nov 18 21:11:23 http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1212578p1.html Nov 18 21:11:25 waiting.. Nov 18 21:12:05 setting up these email accts is annoying Nov 18 21:12:10 there will certainly be a unlocked GSM one soon Nov 18 21:12:26 well, but then I'd have to be on a gsm carrier Nov 18 21:12:35 but sprint ... uh ya Nov 18 21:14:07 I move between phones a bunch, so CDMA phones are just not worth it. Nov 18 21:14:29 I pay $40/mo for unlimited data Nov 18 21:14:39 w/ 500 minutes and unlimited texting Nov 18 21:14:42 i pay $0. work pays it Nov 18 21:14:43 I wish I was on a GSM carrier Nov 18 21:14:49 well la-dee-dah Nov 18 21:15:00 I'm a grad student, they don't buy me things Nov 18 21:15:56 just saying - if youre spending alot of time on mobile, locking yourself to sprint ... seems like a bad idea. Nov 18 21:16:13 minecon stream is starting (or has started) Nov 18 21:23:12 oh #webos Nov 18 21:45:44 hey oilsworkn Nov 18 21:46:33 hello Nov 18 21:57:35 hello Nov 18 21:57:39 minecraft.net is broken Nov 18 21:59:49 can anyone help with enyo programming? Nov 18 22:01:09 all of it? Nov 18 22:02:34 nah ;-) Nov 18 22:04:05 I'm just trying to get started, and was following the tutorial with the feed reader...and the problem is, whenever I open index.html of the tutorial app, I only get the enyo grey background but no controls,etc. Nov 18 22:05:13 (tried chrome, firefox) Nov 18 22:05:49 also tried to open the templates in the webps 3.0.4 sdk. Same thing Nov 18 22:06:23 can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Nov 18 22:08:58 did you launch chrome with the command line options to allow file and cross domain ajax access? Nov 18 22:11:08 yes Nov 18 22:11:26 then open the webkit inspector and look thru the console for errors Nov 18 22:11:36 arite Nov 18 22:12:46 note that allowfile access nolonger works with the most current chrome releases, so you may need to run them thru a local webserver Nov 18 22:13:45 oh...how do I do that exactly? Nov 18 22:14:05 install a local web server point it at the directory of stuff you want to load Nov 18 22:14:34 ex. http://localhost/examples Nov 18 22:16:35 oh wait. So it means I have to install apache or sumthing? Nov 18 22:17:03 yes Nov 18 22:17:30 :-( Nov 18 22:19:04 ah, though i guess I was mistakedn - but you need to make sure your launch a new process - taht chrome isnt already running Nov 18 22:19:19 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=18987&p=95770 Nov 18 22:19:24 install apache? Nov 18 22:19:26 :/ Nov 18 22:19:42 i installed lighttpd instead. Nov 18 22:19:55 * oilsworkn just changed his shortcut he opens chrome with to have the flag Nov 18 22:19:56 its just ... useful. Nov 18 22:20:47 a new process...might be the problem.have another instance running Nov 18 22:20:55 ive run into too many cases where things are "not quite the same" when running from the filesystem. so I usually run things thru a local server. Nov 18 22:21:07 iok. Nov 18 22:21:10 ok* Nov 18 22:22:37 but I guess for now it will be enough to start from the filesystem.but thanks for the advice. I'll think off it when I run into errors in my future webos developing career ;-) Nov 18 22:22:55 so gonna try with a new process Nov 18 22:23:46 yay! Works. Nov 18 22:23:58 thank you! Nov 18 22:53:15 Make sure we have identified the correct phones below. Your current phone will be deactivated, and your number will be assigned to your new phone. Nov 18 22:53:26 i dont wanna do this.. :'( Nov 18 22:54:06 figures.. wants to kick me out of sero Nov 18 22:54:37 time to hit up chat Nov 18 23:02:56 lol Nov 18 23:03:01 sprint doesnt consider the pre a smart phone Nov 18 23:03:15 extra $10/m for the epic not because of 4g, but because its a smart phone Nov 18 23:04:06 They started that a while ago Nov 18 23:04:30 the 4g 10 a month slowly morphed into smartphone 10 a month Nov 18 23:08:11 HAHA Nov 18 23:08:14 Playbook firesale Nov 18 23:08:59 dawm_: they put that stupid $10 smartphone thing on my bill, and im running a pre Nov 18 23:11:22 nice Nov 18 23:12:36 wow.. not having back gesture really sucks Nov 18 23:12:43 programming this thing and hit wrong button and cannot go back Nov 18 23:13:08 back gesture :( Nov 18 23:13:53 tell 'em the pre is a dumb phone Nov 18 23:13:59 can't even get any updates for it Nov 18 23:14:36 i guess calling it a smartphone fee helps them keep charging it even for those that dont have 4g service.. Nov 18 23:14:49 yeah Nov 18 23:16:21 im just outside detroit.. no 4g yet.. Nov 18 23:16:46 lol, there is "4g" in my little town Nov 18 23:23:55 you're a 4g Nov 18 23:26:49 now to figure out ringtones Nov 18 23:34:46 hrm.. Nov 18 23:34:53 epic killed my usb wifi dongle Nov 18 23:34:55 strange Nov 18 23:41:06 im taking my pre ringtones/notification sounds with me.. Nov 18 23:59:56 you can use the prepaid att sim cards on the pixi right? Nov 19 00:00:12 selling a pixi on ebay and had someone ask me if it would work Nov 19 00:03:02 if the pixi takes sim cards, I wouldn't see why not Nov 19 00:03:11 and it's not locked Nov 19 00:03:29 but i'm no expert Nov 19 00:30:27 oh poop Nov 19 00:30:33 wp7 dev is windows only Nov 19 00:32:03 lol Nov 19 00:32:22 dunno why I forgot that Nov 19 00:32:28 soooooooooo Nov 19 00:34:27 looooool Nov 19 00:38:22 aaanyways Nov 19 00:41:16 scrolls looks stupid Nov 19 00:42:17 I'm fond of parchment myself Nov 19 00:42:53 what about vellum? Nov 19 00:47:44 hmm. a most likely inconsequential tweet about a most likely inconsequential change at HP's TouchPad site has suddenly become the most ReTweeted thing I've ever posted Nov 19 00:50:01 Tibfib_: Vista and Windows 7 only Nov 19 01:13:52 cute. After getting all of my music to finally get recognized almost properly by SubSonic, none of my music player apps recognize any of it anymore. Nov 19 01:13:56 Not even the one I used to organize it Nov 19 02:06:27 funny. now I -have- to use my SubSonic client in webOS to play musci because WMP, iTunes, MediaMonkey, and my alarm clock software are all refusing to play any of it Nov 19 02:06:45 hmm. I wish I knew how to resize a Header element, so that it was the size of the buttons in a TabGroup Nov 19 02:13:42 hmm... Nov 19 02:13:50 touchpad plugged in, just ran it down to zero left Nov 19 02:14:01 and I plugged it in, taken 5+ minutes and still on red battery screen Nov 19 02:14:15 give it a while Nov 19 02:25:56 alright Nov 19 02:25:58 rwhitby Nov 19 02:26:03 finishing what I was up to last night Nov 19 02:26:09 I followed the wiki instructions Nov 19 02:26:18 and I boot the nova-installer uImage Nov 19 02:26:26 and I get back to the penguin logo which goes nowhere Nov 19 02:26:41 I am not able to access novaterm Nov 19 02:42:15 cute. now i can't even play my music from subsonic Nov 19 02:43:25 Tis a government conspiracy! Nov 19 02:46:37 reboot time **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 19 02:59:56 2011