**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 21 02:59:58 2011 Nov 21 03:00:01 lol Nov 21 03:00:03 … are you using card or list mode? Nov 21 03:00:28 i usually use list Nov 21 03:00:34 swipe the item to the right Nov 21 03:01:13 Tibfib_: when are you fixing the swiping? It breaks even outside of nomnomnom! Nov 21 03:01:24 :'( Nov 21 03:01:26 swipe to the right, as if i was deleting something, and that'll mark it as unread? Nov 21 03:01:51 yes Nov 21 03:02:01 Tibfib_: besides, everything is your fault Nov 21 03:02:03 you'll know if you did it right Nov 21 03:02:05 it's slick Nov 21 03:02:19 if I do say so myself Nov 21 03:02:22 ok! cool.. interesting.. Nov 21 03:02:23 heh Nov 21 03:02:52 rwatkins: looks like I'm going sencha touch Nov 21 03:02:54 jo is too limited Nov 21 03:02:57 "if i do say so myself" -- so modest Nov 21 03:03:08 * fxspec06 goes to check it out Nov 21 03:03:32 heh Nov 21 03:04:20 arg, unison from a USB mounted touchpad to a networked touchpad fails.. oh maybe i can get it to ignore perms, hrmm Nov 21 03:08:28 Perms are expensive. Nov 21 03:09:13 dkirker: hey do you remember the name of the kernel dude that was at the rwhitby meetup? Nov 21 03:09:35 ajay: bhuey Nov 21 03:10:12 rwhitby: do you have issues with adium's unread counts on lion? Nov 21 03:11:21 I don't use Lion Nov 21 03:11:25 rwhitby: oh, thanks! :) i take it that's his name on a site, e.g. precentral maybe? (clearly its not his twitter) oh maybe irc.. Nov 21 03:11:33 irc Nov 21 03:12:01 rwhitby: ah, but do you have issues with unread counts? Nov 21 03:12:24 not that I know of Nov 21 03:12:51 strange, my adium always tells me I have at least 5 unread messages in the icon. Nov 21 03:12:52 thanks Nov 21 03:16:05 ajay: I don't think that I do. Joe? Maybe... Nov 21 03:17:12 oh, answered! :) Nov 21 03:29:13 rwhitby: do you have a twitter/google+ name for him? seems he's offline irc atm.. Nov 21 03:41:59 hi everyone Nov 21 03:46:58 ajay: I do not Nov 21 03:52:26 thx! no worries.. Nov 21 03:54:27 bill huey, I think Nov 21 03:54:49 should be able to find alternative contact info with that Nov 21 04:03:53 yo ppl Nov 21 04:04:18 having issues upgrading/removing adv sys prefs patches.. Nov 21 04:11:39 bbl Nov 21 04:41:07 speaking of adv sys prefs, is it just me or was there an update a few months ago that made full top bar on (most) apps the default? It's happening on all my phones, and it's real annoying Nov 21 04:41:37 havent noticed Nov 21 04:42:36 dwc-: I think ou have it! hope that's the dude i was chatting with, else i'll feel real silly :) Nov 21 04:43:38 i'm having trouble removing patches after logging out of a profile.. gave my parents my touchpad, then saw my dad go back by accident.. how'd you do that?! I don't know, he said.. aww crap the patches.. EPR didn't kill 'em either.. gah Nov 21 04:45:00 that shouldn't matter Nov 21 04:45:07 and if it's not an emergency, don't use EPR ;) Nov 21 04:45:38 wait i want the white dude, i think this is the other kernel guy :) (per @billhuey) Nov 21 04:46:33 haha Nov 21 04:48:13 weird! cant update or remove this darn phone prefs patch Nov 21 04:48:35 i bet it is what is causing my voicemail issues Nov 21 04:48:39 dwc-: or before/after updates! :) Nov 21 04:49:25 no, I mean if it's not an "emergency" just remove them the normal way Nov 21 04:50:16 dwc-: i'd love to hear what 'the normal way' is, as preware doesn't know they're installed since i already logged out.. maybe i can restore preware w/ save+Restore didn't think about that tho.. Nov 21 04:50:38 preware has nothing to do with your palm profile Nov 21 04:51:37 dwc-: umm.. i don't feel like we're talking about the same thing for some reason.. ! Nov 21 04:51:58 argh, i duuno if i need to install some patch to get these to uninstall Nov 21 04:52:10 Ooo, Josh Topolsky has been on point on google+! nice.. https://plus.google.com/106979372492552141708 Nov 21 04:52:59 RobiMac: I backed out my patches that preware wouldn't manually.. if you're linux-comfortable it's easy Nov 21 04:53:10 heck, even if you're not it's not too bad Nov 21 04:54:10 if you just logged out of your profile (impostah?) preware wouldn't go away and neither would the list of installed packages Nov 21 04:54:46 ajay: ya, no prob.. how? Nov 21 04:55:12 if you wiped the user-installed apps/data while doing so, then yea, it would lose that info Nov 21 04:56:05 whenever you do an erase, you need to doctor too. Nov 21 04:56:29 otherwise you leave zombie patches Nov 21 04:56:58 holy moly tweaks sets up a lot of mounted volumes Nov 21 04:57:13 dwc-: i don't think it's possible to log out of a palm profile w/o erasing apps+data :) Nov 21 04:57:28 * dwc- points at impostah Nov 21 04:57:56 s/:) /without using impostah :)/ Nov 21 04:58:08 there :) Nov 21 04:58:39 * dwc- protests that isn't really "logging out of your profile" Nov 21 04:59:12 in terminus how does one type a pipe? || Nov 21 04:59:18 RobiMac: are you in the same state as me, zombie patches? are these patches you installed from preware that preware won't remove due to device partial/full reboot/erase? Nov 21 05:00:20 i just went to preware, tried to install a (already installed) patch. it failed. it told me which files it failed on, so i just went to those directories+files, moved the current file away (e.g. mv Browser.js Browser.js-patched) and the original back (mv Browser.js.webosinternals.orig Browser.js) don't quote me on those filenames, but something like that. Nov 21 05:00:43 i dont think it is that bad.. ony having issues with the adv sys prefs.. Nov 21 05:01:15 oh terminus in the feeds is still broken, i keep forgetting to look up the directions to fix it.. i miss terminus :) Nov 21 05:01:20 gtg eat some food.. Nov 21 05:01:43 hope that helped, if not, dwc could probably help you if he's done protesting, as could RW :) Nov 21 05:02:21 ah, k.. time to find a novaterm or ssh iface Nov 21 05:02:57 anyone know what the sdk environment vs the production environment means for webos? Nov 21 05:04:40 yes, if you put the webosinternals.orig files back you can undo the patchings Nov 21 05:05:31 dwc-: was that directed at me? Nov 21 05:05:37 no Nov 21 05:06:59 dwc how can you tell which hunk is the one to fix the file for? Nov 21 05:07:02 okay, cuz it didn't make sense, either :) Nov 21 05:07:12 they all end up being ignored Nov 21 05:07:49 HattCzech: NDA, dude. Nov 21 05:07:50 um, I usually grab the ipk and extract the .patch file Nov 21 05:08:32 if the package is 'installed' you should have that .patch file in the package's directory on the cryptofs Nov 21 05:09:03 these patches affect multiple files Nov 21 05:09:09 yep Nov 21 05:12:39 RobiMac: tweaks doesn't set up mounted volumes. the webOS jail system does. you get the same number for an PDK app (e.g. game) or any app with a service Nov 21 05:37:03 ok this is weird Nov 21 05:38:07 i can't find the phone app dir, it's not in cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/ Nov 21 05:40:14 ok found it in /usr/palm... but no .orig files Nov 21 05:41:20 and the lovely novaterm keeps crashing Nov 21 05:51:41 where o where is the .orig file supposed to live Nov 21 05:52:34 same directory as the modified file Nov 21 05:54:08 nothing there, seems the files are unmodified then?? Nov 21 05:59:08 ok found one, not the one I need, sigh Nov 21 06:00:39 is it the first or last patch in IPKG Log that is usually the problem? Nov 21 06:00:48 er file Nov 21 06:06:16 it may be EPR time, as the muffle system logging patch is also fubar Nov 21 06:10:47 junk Nov 21 06:10:52 palm-install doesnt work anymore Nov 21 06:11:19 http://pastebin.com/EXAY2K8c Nov 21 06:11:24 anyone seen this before> Nov 21 06:13:37 poor palm-install, being blamed for your flakey USB connection Nov 21 06:14:15 when that happens i reboot my pc Nov 21 06:15:53 im starting to think this cable is going bad Nov 21 06:16:11 switched ports. fixed Nov 21 06:16:19 thought something was broken with the SDK there for a second :) Nov 21 06:16:31 PEBKAC Nov 21 06:16:40 like normal with me :P Nov 21 06:16:54 anyone in here try Macaw yet? :) Nov 21 06:26:36 is there a way i can just check if a device has a gesture area? Nov 21 06:35:40 I don't believe so directly, but we do know that all of the existing devices that run webOS 1 and 2 do, and all the existing devices that run 3 do not Nov 21 06:37:42 thats my problem :) Nov 21 06:37:56 i want one preference to show on 1.x/2.x and not 3.x Nov 21 06:38:08 this is for Macaw on a preference that uses the gesture area Nov 21 06:41:22 night all Nov 21 07:36:09 how does preware need to be installed from command line in non offline root mode so that post install scripts run? Nov 21 07:38:06 have you read the documentation? Nov 21 08:25:07 hello Nov 21 10:09:38 Tibfib_: good luck w/ the Sencha Touch - let me know how it goes. has pretty widgets, but get annoyed with it regularly Nov 21 10:24:52 interesting. destroying a component in a list (ie, this.$.listItemContent) either destroys all of the items in the list with that name, or breaks this.$ so it can't locate them anymore Nov 21 13:23:23 so.. Twitter clients.. Nov 21 13:23:45 anything better than spas he? Nov 21 13:24:14 spaz hd even Nov 21 14:18:02 anybody alive ? Nov 21 14:30:06 * fxspec06 me Nov 21 15:34:19 * dwc- isn't Nov 21 15:39:11 anyone know how to fix exhibition mode when it doesn't fit on the screen? Nov 21 15:58:58 anybody knows how can I open stage in new card ? Nov 21 16:13:03 Mojo.Controller.appController.createStageWithCallback("stageName", launchParams, type, stageAssistant); //i believe this is syntax, it's close Nov 21 16:13:29 where type can equal "card" or "dashboard", and stageAssistant is optional Nov 21 16:13:55 http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Nov 21 16:14:29 i was slightly off.. Nov 21 16:18:25 fxspec06 thanks, I will look at it at home Nov 21 16:18:55 I have tried something with createStageWithCallback, but it doesn't work Nov 21 16:19:03 but there will be something small Nov 21 16:23:55 you need to have noWindow set to true Nov 21 16:23:59 oh you left Nov 21 16:42:02 mmmmmmurder! Nov 21 16:51:12 was it col. custerd in the ballroom with the lead pipe? Nov 21 16:53:10 * halfhalo hides bloody pipe Nov 21 16:53:13 LETS go with that Nov 21 16:54:29 these silly people with their android on their touchpads. I can't stand it. Nov 21 16:55:03 Anyone here tried to download a image using ajax? Nov 21 16:55:14 Or something else webreleated? Nov 21 16:55:47 what exactly are you going to do with those binary bits in the response when you get them? Nov 21 16:56:10 save them as a image file Nov 21 16:56:16 via phonegap Nov 21 16:56:24 for local use Nov 21 16:57:21 ? Nov 21 16:58:32 FileWriter is not supported for webOS for PhoneGap Nov 21 16:59:00 Hmm i am starting with iOS then. Nov 21 16:59:06 then youre in teh wrong channel Nov 21 16:59:08 Do you have any good ideas? Nov 21 16:59:12 :) Nov 21 16:59:15 nah Nov 21 16:59:20 its the right one Nov 21 17:00:28 unless you write your own service for webOS there isnt much you can do with the downlaoded bits if you fetch an image via ajax. Nov 21 17:00:45 on webOS you likely want download manager instead. Nov 21 17:01:24 if however you want to ask phonegap and other non-webOS questions, this is probalby not the best place to ask. Nov 21 17:01:43 #phonegap? Nov 21 17:02:17 Download manager? Nov 21 17:02:22 enyo or webos? Nov 21 17:02:29 #monies! Nov 21 17:02:45 oilsworkn: its not phonegap related my question Nov 21 17:02:55 i asked for how to get the file Nov 21 17:03:00 not how to save it Nov 21 17:03:18 i've never tried downloading an image with ajax Nov 21 17:03:49 you're asking a specific question that may not actually be the right approach for your end goal Nov 21 17:04:44 rwatkins: rgr Nov 21 17:22:24 * oilsworkn wonders if any #webos'ers picked up mw3 Nov 21 17:23:40 i wish Nov 21 17:24:22 I did Nov 21 17:24:25 twas meh Nov 21 17:25:46 I heart my bf3 though Nov 21 17:26:28 I also want to play Battlefield 3 Nov 21 17:27:31 http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/half22halo/stats/208103870/pc/ Nov 21 17:28:09 * oilsworkn can't open that link Nov 21 17:28:23 well, it opens, but its just a login form Nov 21 17:28:47 psh. only the cool people can see it (or people with bf3 i guess) Nov 21 17:30:05 when i played the bf3 demo it wasn't fun at all, so i never bought it Nov 21 17:30:34 * oilsworkn prefers "run-and-gun" to "sit-and-snipe" Nov 21 17:30:41 awesome. when trying to test rtp, i find out it, i think, is flooding my network Nov 21 17:30:42 the demo was more akin to mw3 than bf. the actual game has enough tweaks to make it different Nov 21 17:31:31 * hotdp bought bf3 but he's computer can't run it.. Nov 21 17:32:14 ouch Nov 21 17:32:17 my laptop probably couldnt run it, or at least not very well Nov 21 17:32:58 thats why i game on a console, and not my pc Nov 21 17:33:03 my desktop manages to keep it around 50-60 fps @ ultra and @ 2048x1152 Nov 21 17:35:26 plus, mouse > controller for fps Nov 21 17:35:46 oilsworkn, then you will love Serious Sam 3 tommorow :) Nov 21 17:35:48 2 cores on the CPU is to little Nov 21 17:36:54 I haven't had a dual core cpu in my desktop since like.... 2006 Nov 21 17:38:41 halfhalo: No money, No fun Nov 21 17:39:09 my cpu is from 2006 i think :D Nov 21 17:39:28 * halfhalo has built a quad core gaming system for tre-fidy before Nov 21 17:45:45 * dwc- hasn't had a dual core cpu in my desktop Nov 21 17:46:51 * dwc- might even skip dual core altogether and go straight to 3 or 4 Nov 21 17:47:38 I went from a P4 to an amd 4800 x2 to a q6600 and now have a 2500k Nov 21 17:47:38 they sell tri-core? Nov 21 17:47:51 sure Nov 21 17:47:51 ya, tri core being quad with a bad core Nov 21 17:48:14 yep. improves usable yields that way Nov 21 17:49:44 lol Nov 21 17:50:29 my next cpu is gonna be a fancy 6/12 core/thread methinks. Nov 21 17:52:58 * oilsworkn will probably stick with his core2quad for a while Nov 21 17:53:28 amd already has 6-core out I think Nov 21 17:56:11 they have for a while, but intels 6 cores are better Nov 21 17:56:41 probably, as usual, depending on workload? Nov 21 17:57:14 Amd's older 6 core (1100T) was faster for multithreaded stuff than their quads, but are sucky with single threaded loads. Nov 21 17:58:28 Their new flagship cpu has 8 cores, but still loses out to intels quad core/quad threaded 2500k Nov 21 17:59:06 loses in total or per-core? Nov 21 17:59:13 total Nov 21 18:00:08 nothing amd has can touch either the 2600k which has 4 cores but 8 threads, nor the new sandybridge-e cpus which are 6 cores and 12 threads. Nov 21 18:02:30 lucky for me, I won't be caring about total speed Nov 21 18:02:55 whenever it is I feel like upgrading my p4 xeon Nov 21 18:03:04 lol Nov 21 18:03:39 just needs to be fast enough, relatively cheap, and ideally not so power sucking and noisy Nov 21 18:04:07 amd quad. they can be had for under a hundred Nov 21 18:04:24 I built my hexacore 4ghz, 16gb ram for less than 500 Nov 21 18:04:36 they're so cheap now Nov 21 18:04:38 amd cpu? Nov 21 18:04:42 yeah Nov 21 18:04:45 yea, will probably see what shows up on frys cpu+mb special Nov 21 18:04:50 my 2500k wins Nov 21 18:05:00 on what? benchmarks? Nov 21 18:05:07 _everything_ Nov 21 18:05:14 barely any difference in real life applications Nov 21 18:05:19 Clark008 hexacore? Nov 21 18:05:23 but more than twice the cost? Nov 21 18:05:27 no thanks Nov 21 18:05:37 hotdp - amd's 6 cores Nov 21 18:05:40 you already know halfhalo is a speed freak : Nov 21 18:05:41 ) Nov 21 18:05:47 2500k can be had for 200. not all that much of a difference Nov 21 18:05:51 I know Nov 21 18:06:06 and plus, I generally use it for vm's and video encoding. the speed difference is noticable Nov 21 18:06:08 I got the hexacore at $130 Nov 21 18:06:34 last time I encoded video, I just set it to run and shutdown afterwards and went to sleep Nov 21 18:07:02 I went for the hexacore because it's better at multitasking Nov 21 18:07:14 and the few mins is tolerable on certain applications Nov 21 18:08:14 * halfhalo pets his 2500k which is currently running along at 4.5GHz due to handbrake Nov 21 18:08:43 mine is bigger than yours =p Nov 21 18:08:44 * Clark008 runs Nov 21 18:09:12 lol Nov 21 18:10:24 * dwc- doesn't pet the q6600 in front of him because that would be creepy Nov 21 18:10:33 (and I'd probably burn myself) Nov 21 18:10:50 trying to remember what my brothers desktop has... either the 1100T BE or the 980 BE... Nov 21 18:11:44 yay review cpus! Nov 21 18:13:21 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492 Nov 21 18:13:23 * halfhalo drools Nov 21 18:15:10 it's nice and all but 3x the cost Nov 21 18:16:21 And? It goes zoom-zoom for my vm's and handbrake. and has a quad memory setup for cheap 32GB ram setups Nov 21 18:17:00 Then again, I could just get two of these and call it a day http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102945 Nov 21 18:17:19 and then you'll get TWO Nov 21 18:17:24 TWO AMD comic books Nov 21 18:18:00 * dwc- notes intel back at 130W TDP again Nov 21 18:21:17 then again... I need monies for all of this. Nov 21 18:21:25 Monies currently being spent on games Nov 21 18:23:30 " barely any difference in real life applications" hahaha, like halfhalo cares about that Nov 21 18:33:44 I see thatnow Nov 21 18:33:47 now* Nov 21 18:35:14 it's cool, I'd love to shop without any financial limitations too Nov 21 18:42:15 oh, sugardave is here now, we have to stop talking about him Nov 21 19:23:19 hello Nov 21 21:02:49 ok what's up in webOS world this afternoon Nov 21 21:16:48 HP's quartlery call today, but likely no info Nov 21 21:23:02 oh, we'll get info. Nov 21 21:23:19 we'll get info that the info is not yet ready, and that we'll get more info soon Nov 21 22:02:55 hmm. anyone ever try to use an ActivityButton on pre? Nov 21 22:04:11 yes Nov 21 22:05:18 yes Nov 21 22:05:39 nice .. they lost $3.3 billion to make ... $200 million. Nov 21 22:06:30 always impressive when its done in volume Nov 21 22:06:53 HP scale! Nov 21 22:07:13 nice Nov 21 22:07:13 heh Nov 21 22:10:04 oh.. lol Nov 21 22:10:29 i forgot there was code to hide the button if running on pre Nov 21 22:11:17 EricBlade1: you're testing on a Pre and Pre2, right, not a Pre3? Nov 21 22:11:34 pre, pre+, i haven't tracked down a 2 or 3 atm Nov 21 22:11:42 hmm. is that earnings call on already? Nov 21 22:11:54 yeah Nov 21 22:12:24 running into an issue where I swap between two views, one of which is a container for a slidingpane. when I go to swap back the entire app just hangs. Nov 21 22:12:46 but i think only on a pre3. and possibly only on hardware Nov 21 22:13:26 i assume you're still using sliding panes on the phones? Nov 21 22:14:32 yes, although i've added a tab-navigation thing as well Nov 21 22:15:44 is the sliding pane always there then, or do you ever swap between that and some other view? Nov 21 22:16:32 yeah i use a 2-pane slider, with a pane with two views in each one Nov 21 22:17:11 so the 2-pane slider is always there, you're just swapping the contents of the viewed in each? Nov 21 22:17:17 good lord why did i submit myself to listening to this 10 minute string of buzzwords Nov 21 22:18:01 yeah the slider has a pane inside each panel, that swaps views based on what you are doing Nov 21 22:18:05 I have a full screen set of views "Login", "Read", "Preferences" and swap between them, where "Read" is a 3-pane sliding-pane. Nov 21 22:18:19 so I guess sorta the reverse of yours. Nov 21 22:18:46 I find that whe I hide "Read" and thus all the sliding stuff to goto Prefs, when I try and come back .. it all just hangs on the Pre3 .. sometimes. Nov 21 22:19:17 http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/21/2578764/hp-wasted-billions-on-palm-and-webos - This ain't pretty Nov 21 22:22:54 so, where's the point when they cut their losses? Nov 21 22:23:12 because this is almost absurd, monetarily Nov 21 22:23:16 they cut a large portion of htem by nuking the hardware division Nov 21 22:23:32 about the only cost thats left is likely salary for current software employees. Nov 21 22:23:56 After this investor call, I don't see how it makes any business sense to hold onto it Nov 21 22:23:59 I guess that's true Nov 21 22:24:05 they will sell it Nov 21 22:24:47 or at least the underlying patents Nov 21 22:25:20 you also wonder if enough of the engineering talent is even still at HP to sell with a webOS acquisition. Nov 21 22:25:51 they expect to gain market share in switching and routing? i didn't even know they were in that business Nov 21 22:25:55 also, with the original team gone, the institutional knowledge went too Nov 21 22:26:14 then again i wasn't exactly aware they were in the mobile business until about 2 weeks before the TouchPad's death Nov 21 22:27:00 EricBlade1: they're in a lot of businesses, with varying degrees of "inness" Nov 21 22:27:45 http://www.cincinnatibell.com/playbook/order/ Nov 21 22:27:49 16GB - 199 Nov 21 22:28:07 panel: do we lol now or later? :) Nov 21 22:28:32 heh Nov 21 22:28:34 can we install webOS on it? Nov 21 22:28:34 :) Nov 21 22:28:37 "Playbook at 199: Still not worth it!" Nov 21 22:28:57 only information :) Nov 21 22:29:12 my co-worker have one Nov 21 22:29:19 but don't worry... it runs Flash! Nov 21 22:29:33 nic Nov 21 22:29:41 nice device, but that's all Nov 21 22:32:12 EricBlade1: they bought 3com awhile ago Nov 21 22:32:30 oooh yeah that was along with the Palm purchase wasn't it Nov 21 22:32:35 prior to that, they had workgroup/unmanaged datacenter switches Nov 21 22:32:44 procurve, etc Nov 21 22:33:04 no, those would have been separate deals Nov 21 22:34:30 lol, 3com did own palm at one time Nov 21 22:35:59 waaaaaaaay back when Nov 21 22:36:40 * oilsworkn just thinks its funny Nov 21 22:37:09 maybe time will come when webos-inernals will buy webos ;) Nov 21 22:38:04 we dont have enough money for that Nov 21 22:42:26 spent it all on pre3s Nov 21 22:42:57 * oilsworkn doesn't even have one Nov 21 22:43:21 how much are they going for thesedays on ebay? Nov 21 22:43:44 give it to the apache foundation, cuz thats where people like to shove off unwanted projects these days Nov 21 22:44:22 heh Nov 21 22:44:37 Adobe just gave em Flex Nov 21 22:45:01 lol Nov 21 22:46:52 god i hate the ios packaging and testing distribution process. so much easier to just 'palm-package' and unlock any device. Nov 21 22:48:12 ebay att/pre3/completed 204-265 depending on how much $2.50 accessories-from-the-palm-store the person threw in Nov 21 22:50:43 jeez my gf comes in, and says "whatcha listening to", and my "corporate bullshit filter" had turned this conference call down to 0, i completely forgot it was even on. Nov 21 22:50:54 lol Nov 21 22:55:43 rwatkins: looking forward to it :/ Nov 21 22:56:03 un-fun Nov 21 22:56:43 time to mock up my sencha touch app Nov 21 22:57:09 building a phone or tablet UI? Nov 21 22:57:55 phone Nov 21 23:02:58 has anyone used sqlite with exhibition? by using the same database for both standard launch and exhibition? Nov 21 23:03:39 * oilsworkn can't think of a reason why you couldn't Nov 21 23:04:25 i can't get it to work....it seems to open the database, but i can' open a transaction Nov 21 23:04:34 can't* Nov 21 23:04:38 does the same code work outside of exhibition? Nov 21 23:04:43 yes Nov 21 23:04:58 so what do you think of HP? Nov 21 23:05:05 they are just the most mismanaged company... Nov 21 23:05:20 * oilsworkn thinks its Tibfib_s fault Nov 21 23:05:33 oh dear god Nov 21 23:06:04 one mention of webOS in the call, it was talking about an $800M charge taken on it Nov 21 23:07:06 ryaxnb620: everyone hates hp. Nov 21 23:07:14 yep Nov 21 23:07:22 now why does my HDD sound like it's dying. Nov 21 23:07:24 that's not good. Nov 21 23:07:30 BACK UP NAO Nov 21 23:07:53 i submitted a metadata update changing some details about my app, and one of the changes appears to have taken effect immediately, and all the other changes are awaiting review. and even though it was just a metadata update, the scanner appears to have barfed on it again Nov 21 23:09:04 morning Nov 21 23:09:43 oh dang I have to provide back buttons Nov 21 23:09:45 that's lame. Nov 21 23:10:07 morning rwhitby Nov 21 23:10:54 oh gesture area, why don't other platforms adopt your awesomeness Nov 21 23:14:24 cause of patents? Nov 21 23:14:45 shaddup Nov 21 23:14:50 why keep it? Nov 21 23:14:51 ;) Nov 21 23:14:55 webos isn't Nov 21 23:15:05 gesture area is brilliant Nov 21 23:15:35 it's been enlightening to use iOS for a while. Lots of good stuff in webOS. But lots of good stuff in iOS as well. Nov 21 23:15:58 I want a google nexus Nov 21 23:16:26 nexus galaxy, or nexus s. not nexus Nov 21 23:16:42 same here... I'm missing Amazon's "every phone for a penny" because Im holding out for a Galaxy Nexus Nov 21 23:16:44 how often do you "back gesture" over the home button expecting it to go back? Nov 21 23:16:47 lol Nov 21 23:20:54 oilsworkn: when I first got it, all the time Nov 21 23:20:56 not anymore Nov 21 23:22:30 OOPS. galaxy nexus. Nov 21 23:23:16 gah, now I need to decide if I want the Nexus S for a penny, iPhone 4S because awesome, or wait a few months Nov 21 23:23:30 decisions on how I'm going to spend my money are hard Nov 21 23:24:16 Give it to me, I'll spend it for you Nov 21 23:24:27 no can do Nov 21 23:24:30 summatusmentis: I'd pick iPhone 4S, or wait for galaxy nexus Nov 21 23:24:31 I wont even charge you for the pleasure :P Nov 21 23:25:04 Tibfib_: not switching carriers Nov 21 23:25:07 probably Nov 21 23:25:09 wrea: You are a gentleman! Nov 21 23:25:24 so, you know, unless galaxy nexus comes to Sprint, it's sort of moot Nov 21 23:25:58 summatusmentis: I dunno, tough choice Nov 21 23:27:51 yeh Nov 21 23:29:16 i may just have to go and activate this pre on stupid t-mobile, meh. Although I still haven't yet managed to find anyone competent enough at AT&T to be able to provide a lock code Nov 21 23:30:37 summatusmentis: I still suggest iPhone Nov 21 23:31:16 EricBlade1: if it's a dev phone, you might try that dogbert post on unlocking Nov 21 23:31:28 I haven't decided whether I trust it enough to try it myself though Nov 21 23:33:19 i can't seem to find any reasonably decent service that also provides svc for smartphones, without being ridiculously expensive Nov 21 23:33:44 my current carrier would be awesome, but they are CDMA and supposedly require a special flash for their devices Nov 21 23:33:51 anyone have any experience with nice iOS/android dev irc channels? Nov 21 23:34:18 very few of my experiences with iOS and Android would be qualified with the word "nice", except with a "not" before it Nov 21 23:34:28 Tibfib_: I hear #touchdroid is "interesting" ;) Nov 21 23:34:54 * dwc- has a "dumbphone" data plan with tmobile Nov 21 23:36:58 hmm. i guess unlimited text and net with 5gig at "4G" speeds with 100 voice minutes for $30 isn't too bad, except that aren't we limited to something closer to "2G" with the ATT Pre+ ? Nov 21 23:41:37 hmm. Just tested my phone at 492KBit/s download, 36.5KBit/s upload, 493ms ping Nov 21 23:41:45 at 2 bars on HSDPA on a pre2 Nov 21 23:41:53 493ms ping? Nov 21 23:42:08 that is only a hair better than i used to get off satellite internet Nov 21 23:42:34 only at 2/5 bars though. I'm out in the boonies Nov 21 23:42:39 I usually use wifi here at home Nov 21 23:43:17 my dumbphone has an unlimited data plan at 1x speeds Nov 21 23:45:30 bah, need to have bought the phone from them to get that plan too. wtf peoples Nov 21 23:45:38 lool Nov 21 23:46:08 when i was in the phone business, sure we made a ton of money off handsets, but i'd rather have activated someone else's handset any day of the week Nov 21 23:55:08