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Nov 22 05:26:37 <PatrickC> in a twitter app, what would u want more? Copy the text of a tweet, email/sms the text of the tweet, copy a URL of a tweet, or email/SMS the URL of a tweet?
Nov 22 05:26:54 <PatrickC> they all will be in there eventually, just trying to figure out what to start with
Nov 22 06:22:00 <duckribs> is it a bad idea to get into webos dev?
Nov 22 06:24:13 <PatrickC> ok. working with popup menus, need some help
Nov 22 06:24:40 <PatrickC> currently, my code is http://pastebin.com/hGQbw6WS
Nov 22 06:24:52 <PatrickC> i want to make the "Share" one have a sub-menu inside of it
Nov 22 06:25:06 <PatrickC> would i then follow https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/all-about-widgets/menus.html#sub-menu ?
Nov 22 06:25:18 <PatrickC> duckribs, its up to you
Nov 22 13:11:36 <panel> enjoy the silence :)
Nov 22 13:32:20 <ioNull> hi all, can I use sqlite in my service side
Nov 22 13:36:50 <rwatkins> no, as services need to be javascript only.  you can write a pdk or hybrid app and use the sqllite lib to create it yourself.
Nov 22 13:37:33 <ioNull> rwatkins, how will you do when a long time pulling on your service
Nov 22 13:38:05 <rwatkins> i dont understand - you cant write a service with a binary part.
Nov 22 13:38:48 <rwatkins> the generally 'suggested' method is to use db8
Nov 22 13:38:53 <ioNull> I dunt understand why webOS NOT using sqlite default
Nov 22 13:39:10 <ioNull> hmm. but db8 is webOS 2.X ?
Nov 22 13:39:15 <rwatkins> yes.
Nov 22 13:39:37 <ioNull> and seems not support GROUP sql?
Nov 22 13:39:44 <rwatkins> there are lots of opinions on how webOS should do things - the Palm team picked what they felt was a good choice.
Nov 22 13:40:14 <ioNull> hmm.. iOS android windows mobile and so on..using sqlite
Nov 22 13:40:20 <rwatkins> if you're just looking to complain to me about how it doesnt have rich sql support with all the features you want, youre talkign to the wrong person.
Nov 22 13:40:37 <ioNull> dev team can give us a second choice
Nov 22 13:40:46 <ioNull> sorry
Nov 22 13:41:18 <rwatkins> you've got choice - cookies, localStorage, webSQL via sqllite and db8.  lots of choice.  or write your own PDK/Hybrid.
Nov 22 13:41:20 <ioNull> I'm not familiar with webOS service
Nov 22 13:41:42 <ioNull> yap
Nov 22 13:42:18 <ioNull> rwatkins-away, thanks very much
Nov 22 13:43:57 <ioNull> someone said that node.js service cant go with pdk...I dunt know if it's true
Nov 22 14:39:27 <ioNull> rwatkins, I'm using node.js service to make long time pulling easier..and when msg incoming store it and notify user(just like sms of phone)..maybe I should check out if sqlite module works fine with node.js on webOS
Nov 22 14:42:31 <ioNull> rwatkins, thanks again for your help and sorry for complain~~:) time to go home..too late
Nov 22 14:45:18 <rwatkins> ioNull: you are unlikely to be able to directly access sqlite from a node.js service
Nov 22 14:46:03 <rwatkins> the module is not pure javascript and there is no way currently to install binary modules with your node service on webOS.
Nov 22 14:46:03 <ioNull> rwatkins, amqp module works fine
Nov 22 14:46:19 <ioNull> oop
Nov 22 14:48:10 <ioNull> rwatkins, see you~~thanks again
Nov 22 16:42:24 <eurisko> hell o
Nov 22 17:59:01 <EricBlade1> hmm. well, that's annoying.  a TouchPad's camera can't see much of the display on a Pre
Nov 22 18:29:20 <hotdp> Hazel|work ping
Nov 22 18:29:56 <Hazel|work> hotdp: um?
Nov 22 18:38:26 <PaNeL> hello
Nov 22 18:39:18 <EricBlade1> ok, so, now that i have my app running on everything.. will i need to release a seperate version that does not have plug-ins set true for Pre/Pre+/Pre2, or can I release a dual-packaged app, or will i be able to somehow get it into the catalog on it's own... *thinks*
Nov 22 19:00:43 <PaNeL> EricBlade1: what app you re doin on ?
Nov 22 19:07:47 <EricBlade1> PaNeL: gvoice
Nov 22 19:07:55 <EricBlade1> hmm.. i gotta run, time to do the holiday shopping.. bbl
Nov 22 19:24:03 <PaNeL> EricBlade1: that's great
Nov 22 22:18:49 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: sassy?
Nov 22 22:19:44 <rwhitby> anyone know an example of a webOS app that has been properly localised into a number of country/language options in the app catalog ?
Nov 22 22:20:11 <rwhitby> e.g. one that has fr_FR, en_fr, de_DE, en_DE, es_ES, en_ES, etc
Nov 22 22:35:40 <PaNeL> hi
Nov 22 22:38:28 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: :)
Nov 22 22:40:29 <PaNeL> Tibfib: you are working on Koto player ?
Nov 22 22:44:42 <Tibfib> what do you mean?
Nov 22 22:45:22 * oilsworkn thinks he means "get back to work"
Nov 22 22:45:24 <PaNeL> only question if you can help me with audio object
Nov 22 22:46:19 <Tibfib> Umm, ask it and I'll see if I can help
Nov 22 22:47:33 <PaNeL> :) thanks, sometimes i will not receive end of song event
Nov 22 22:47:57 <PaNeL> btw. wery nice player
Nov 22 22:48:58 <PaNeL> do you know why is it not call that event ?
Nov 22 22:49:18 <PaNeL> sorry my english :)
Nov 22 22:49:48 <Tibfib> PaNeL: I do not. Does it happen a lot? or just every once in a while?
Nov 22 22:50:59 <PaNeL> i think that three times from ten is lot
Nov 22 22:51:16 <oilsworkn> 30%!
Nov 22 22:51:51 <Tibfib> eh, enough to chalk it up to bad luck
Nov 22 22:51:56 <PaNeL> i have player that streams music from synology servers
Nov 22 22:52:15 <Tibfib> PaNeL: make sure it is not the source that you get your music from
Nov 22 22:52:30 <Tibfib> check out what I do in koto to set up the audio object and make sure you do the same stuff
Nov 22 22:53:04 <PaNeL> it's happening to people using my app too
Nov 22 22:53:08 <PaNeL> ok
Nov 22 22:53:22 <PaNeL> i will look at that
Nov 22 22:54:06 <PaNeL> that was only question if somebody have with it any experience
Nov 22 22:54:10 <PaNeL> thanks
Nov 22 22:55:43 <Tibfib> PaNeL: no problem, sorry I couldn't help more
Nov 22 22:56:14 <PaNeL> no problem, koto player wa designed by you?
Nov 22 22:56:25 <Tibfib> yep, developed, designed, supported
Nov 22 22:56:28 <PaNeL> very nice app
Nov 22 22:56:39 <Tibfib> thanks!
Nov 22 22:57:25 <PaNeL> is there any manual how can i style webos apps? i mean some css/html samples
Nov 22 22:57:56 <oilsworkn> look at koto source!
Nov 22 22:58:19 <Tibfib> yeah, source is at http://github.com/Tibfib/Koto-Player/
Nov 22 22:59:14 <PaNeL> yes, thanks, somehow i have found it :)
Nov 22 22:59:39 <oilsworkn> "somehow"? he just linked you to it
Nov 22 22:59:47 <oilsworkn> lol
Nov 22 23:00:03 <PaNeL> no i mean about three hour before
Nov 22 23:00:05 <Tibfib> heh, so what have you been up to oil?
Nov 22 23:00:16 <PaNeL> :)
Nov 22 23:04:07 <oilsworkn> this and that
Nov 22 23:10:00 <PaNeL> i have christmas today, new firmware was released for my wifi router :) and was fixed all my problems
Nov 22 23:28:38 <EricBlade1> PaNeL: There is not a style guide.  Working towards an end something like that, though, one of the things I'd like to do in the future, is (a) work out how class names and id's of things are determined in Enyo and document that, as well as (b) document that default classes applied to and styles for each type of control, in the webos101 wiki
Nov 22 23:29:06 <EricBlade1> *document -what- default classes *are* applied to ..
Nov 22 23:30:38 <PaNeL> EricBlade1: thanks for full answer :)
Nov 22 23:31:17 <EricBlade1> for the most part, however, on many things, you can simply specify a className attribute for each control, and then style it with that class, however you'd like
Nov 22 23:31:56 <PaNeL> yes, but i would like predefined styles
Nov 22 23:32:05 <PaNeL> webos is pretty
Nov 22 23:32:42 <EricBlade1> i wouldn't describe it as pretty, but i would describe it as far more consistent with applications than most other platforms
Nov 22 23:33:26 <EricBlade1> and then HP shows up with the utterly beautiful Twynergy app, even though it's UI is occasionally baffling, but it's all done with a quite beautiful Enyo styling
Nov 22 23:34:35 <oilsworkn> there was a spreadsheet previously for mojo that showed the widget and what classes effect it, etc
Nov 22 23:37:21 <PaNeL> oilworkn: maybe i have bad searched, i haven't find it
Nov 22 23:37:33 <oilsworkn> it was for mojo
Nov 22 23:37:37 <PaNeL> i will try to look at it
Nov 22 23:38:08 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: wait, for enyo?
Nov 22 23:38:16 <oilsworkn>  /facepalm
Nov 22 23:38:29 <summatusmentis> does anyone else muscle-memory-type enyou?
Nov 22 23:38:32 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: >_>
Nov 22 23:38:56 <oilsworkn> nope
Nov 22 23:39:51 <summatusmentis> "look at me, I'm perfect"
Nov 22 23:41:12 <PaNeL> thank guys, i have to go to sleep, again i'm going to sleep too late
Nov 22 23:42:19 <PaNeL> bye
Nov 22 23:44:03 <oilsworkn> http://developer.palm.com/download/attachments/38731952/palm-mojo-styling-07.xls
Nov 22 23:44:19 <oilsworkn> oops, my googlefu was too slow, he is gone
Nov 23 00:07:18 <Tibfib> failure
Nov 23 02:27:47 <haeffb> Tibfib: Thanks for the shoutout.
Nov 23 02:40:01 <akanster> shoutout? is he making a rap cd?
Nov 23 02:45:10 <Shadyman> Word.
Nov 23 02:48:49 <summatusmentis> "shoutout" makes you think of a rap CD?
Nov 23 02:48:58 <summatusmentis> do you live under a rock?
Nov 23 02:51:19 <akanster> i guess i needed the sarcasm tag
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