**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 29 02:59:57 2011 Nov 29 03:56:16 trying to score a dell venue pro for 200 Nov 29 04:12:19 http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?rn=7716&c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22&PLikeId=1_924010_&Flag=1 16gb venue pro refurb for $180 Nov 29 04:13:10 that's what I'm working on Nov 29 04:13:19 can't get a confirmation on at&t or t-mo. Nov 29 04:13:22 gonna go for it anyway Nov 29 04:13:29 confirmation for? Nov 29 04:13:49 whether it is at&t bands or t-mo Nov 29 04:14:17 gsmarena lists 900/1700/2100 Nov 29 04:14:42 google says About 1,400,000 Nov 29 04:14:42 results Nov 29 04:14:45 (0.12 seconds) Nov 29 04:14:47 dell outlet closed already, you wont get anywhere asking them right now Nov 29 04:14:48 …. Nov 29 04:14:49 for at&T Nov 29 04:15:06 About 4,150,000 results (0.19 seconds) for tmobile Nov 29 04:15:08 dwc-: right. dell sells two versions. We don't know what one the refurbished one is for Nov 29 04:15:33 ohhh, I see Nov 29 04:15:53 okay just confirmed order Nov 29 04:17:42 wikipedia, bastion of truth only claims a t-mobile version released Nov 29 04:17:42 we'll see how this goes Nov 29 04:18:00 well hopefully it isn't locked to a carrier Nov 29 04:18:08 if the 3g doesn't work on at&t, that's fine with me Nov 29 04:18:19 if it is locked, that's lame, but I should be able to get around it. Nov 29 04:48:52 Hello... anyone up? Nov 29 04:55:57 nope... everyone's dead. HP ate them Nov 29 04:59:00 :O Nov 29 05:00:06 and then discontinued them? Nov 29 05:00:40 hahaha even worse... they unsupported them Nov 29 05:01:01 That's terrible lol Nov 29 05:01:07 even worse, they left them hanging Nov 29 05:01:12 Anyway, can I ask something. Should I expect something from installing UberKernel? Nov 29 05:01:44 supineru: are you following the instructions in http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Nov 29 05:01:47 I know that Govnah commands the UberKernel, and we can add multiple profiles in it Nov 29 05:02:18 you should expect the differences mentioned in the description of the package/ Nov 29 05:02:37 supineru: note that if you're using an alpha or beta kernel, you'll usually need an alpha or beta govnah to go with it. Nov 29 05:03:32 Thank you rwhitby, I'm outside of US and USUnlocked reject my card :( I'm dying for a WOSQI and Preware Documentation Nov 29 05:05:56 I'm using stable version of UberKernel from the Preware feed. Is there any other way I can buy the Preware Documentation and also WOSQI? Nov 29 06:07:13 * EricBlade discovers that you can access things in the name hash by using [] notation and for loops. Nov 29 06:07:14 * EricBlade dances Nov 29 06:15:34 in javascript? Nov 29 07:54:12 dwc-: yes referring to enyo hash Nov 29 12:55:01 uhm Nov 29 12:55:03 hi? :> Nov 29 12:55:58 i got a problem with the webos quick installer, any1 here who would help me? Nov 29 13:17:58 whats your problem? Nov 29 13:18:50 oh, its that you asked a question, and left 7 minutes later.....ok Nov 29 15:23:50 Da|Mummy, browser-based IRC users never wait for an answer. which is why they're usually worthless Nov 29 17:29:40 damn you FlexLayout when you stop working for no obvious reason Nov 29 17:29:53 I hate flex.. so much. Nov 29 17:29:55 so finicky. Nov 29 17:30:34 I decided that I needed to put this entire thing into it's own Pane, after it was already working perfectly. Now, it no longer styles or flexes properly. Nov 29 17:30:49 paste it up if you want Nov 29 17:31:00 I'm sure you're just missing a "flex: 1" somewhere Nov 29 17:35:02 <3 flex Nov 29 17:35:19 i wish all browsers would support it already Nov 29 17:36:39 oilsworkn: shaddup Nov 29 17:37:45 I think I figured it out Nov 29 17:38:24 several revisions ago, I had deleted what was at the time an extraneous spacer .. but putting the whole thing inside a new container made that spacer not extraneous Nov 29 17:39:09 brilliant Nov 29 18:06:56 I concur, flex is the bee Nov 29 18:07:01 's knees Nov 29 18:07:32 now, would that be bee's knees. bees' knees. or bees knees? Nov 29 18:07:41 just one bee Nov 29 18:07:46 THE bee Nov 29 18:07:54 the knees of the bees Nov 29 18:09:21 I bought a domain the other day and I already have some marketing company that wants to buy it Nov 29 18:09:50 I was all "sure...let me tell you what I was going to do and here's how much it will generate, so $5M USD ought to do it" Nov 29 18:09:54 I haven't heard back ;) Nov 29 18:09:54 awesome. at how much profit? Nov 29 18:10:17 nah, this is a near to my heart project and they ain't getting it from me Nov 29 18:10:30 sencha touch is super advanced. Nov 29 18:11:07 it's very similar to enyo.. but much more mature Nov 29 18:11:08 I haven't looked at it yet Nov 29 18:11:16 am now Nov 29 18:11:22 dundundun! Nov 29 18:11:29 I've got 2/3 projects in mind Nov 29 18:11:41 I have vultures ;) Nov 29 18:12:08 I guess Sencha Touch is the new black Nov 29 18:12:48 it has data validation for classes Nov 29 18:12:53 tis pretty slick Nov 29 18:13:05 i.e. {type: 'inclusion', name: 'gender', list: ['male', 'female']}, Nov 29 18:13:16 or {type: 'format', name: 'age', matcher: /\d+/}, Nov 29 18:15:34 sounds handy Nov 29 18:31:16 this.$.tabbar.setShowing(prefs.get("tabs")) -> nothing. this.$.tabbar.setShowing(false) -> tabs hide. this.log(prefs.get("tabs")) == false. wth. Nov 29 18:34:36 is it "false"? Nov 29 18:34:48 are your prefs used with localStorage Nov 29 18:35:10 ? Nov 29 18:38:40 * EricBlade cheers Tibfib Nov 29 18:38:51 lol Nov 29 18:43:29 localStorage++ Nov 29 18:45:01 YOUR A LOCAL STORAGE Nov 29 18:46:13 :( Nov 29 18:51:24 * oilsworkn is ++ then Nov 29 18:52:30 "your" a local storage? Nov 29 18:52:52 * oilsworkn assumed he typed it wrong on purpose Nov 29 18:56:10 ok, so is there some way hidden in the media interface, to be notified of progress updates while playing, or do i need to set my own timer and poll it? Nov 29 19:03:02 ok, what the heck is the verb for "setting a position in media using the slider bar"? my severely sleep-deprived brain isn't working Nov 29 19:16:36 EricBlade: scrub? Nov 29 19:17:00 i knew it was something like that Nov 29 19:52:56 * EricBlade is vaguely mindblown that there's no default setDisabled() in ProgressSlider Nov 29 20:19:08 hello Nov 29 20:44:36 wow the Chrome html5 audio support blows Nov 29 20:44:53 i'm getting more reliable playback from my Pre- Nov 29 21:33:21 heh. if you don't stop audio on 1.x and 2.x before starting new audio, it will play both of them simultaneously. Nov 29 21:33:23 sometimes. Nov 29 22:04:32 oh how I know Nov 29 22:11:36 woot, got the retweet from @palm Nov 29 22:11:53 nice Nov 29 22:12:46 ya, finally in the catalog for all the webOS devices w/ Enyo Nov 29 22:13:50 be interesting to see what kinda bump tomorrow, though new version also tends goose the stats - sitting at the very top of "New - All Apps" as well. Nov 29 22:14:59 * EricBlade cheers rwatkins Nov 29 22:15:34 hmm. maybe i'm just retarded, but it seems like even the latest chrome updates don't support any html5 media events Nov 29 22:15:56 my code works in Opera, not in Chrome or webOS though Nov 29 22:18:21 yep, i'm retarded. Nov 29 22:18:28 * EricBlade derp derp derps Nov 29 22:18:41 works if you use string function names, rather than anon functions Nov 29 22:19:46 but only sometimes Nov 29 22:20:36 it doesn't like you. Nov 29 22:21:10 it hates me. because i'm dumb. :( Nov 29 22:21:41 aww Nov 29 22:22:22 now I feel bad Nov 29 22:22:36 * Tibfib gives EricBlade a virtual hug Nov 29 22:22:43 * EricBlade idly wonders if anyone has made an external battery charger for the pre, so you can charge a spare outside of it Nov 29 22:23:00 EricBlade: I think I've seen one before Nov 29 22:24:39 they had one on precentral, idk if its stil there Nov 29 22:25:09 (the same external-charger that worked for treos works for pre's < 3, no?) Nov 29 22:29:28 Is there anywhere I can download/package the mobile hotspot app? I accidentally deleted it. Nov 29 22:32:24 this is not the channel for piracy Nov 29 22:33:37 isn't it in the catalog for devices that support it? Nov 29 22:35:48 s/devices that support it/devices on carriers that support it/ Nov 29 22:36:25 or just doctor your device Nov 29 22:36:50 How would it be piracy? Nov 29 22:37:08 * oilsworkn shouldnt have said anything :/ Nov 29 22:37:37 its only "piracy" if you put your ATT mobile hotspot app on your T-Mobile phone for instance. Nov 29 22:38:01 It's not in the catalog, either. Nov 29 22:38:28 im not saying it can't be found, just that this isn't hte place to look Nov 29 22:44:08 oilsworkn lies. He hid all copies on the internet. Nov 29 22:45:00 Google isn't helping much; I found a tutorial, but for 1.4.1.1. Nov 29 22:45:51 rwatkins: sencha is crazy Nov 29 22:47:20 Eearslya: you can only legally download the mobile hotspot apps from HP app catalog servers. Nov 29 22:47:35 There are tools such as Impostah which assist you in doing so. Nov 29 22:47:43 It's not showing up in the catalog, though. Nov 29 22:47:54 rwatkins: there are so many different ways to do a single thing. Nov 29 22:48:25 Eearslya: then HP (or more likely your carrier) has decided that it is not available for your region/device/carrier combination. Nov 29 22:49:30 Is there a way to check that? Nov 29 22:49:42 clear Nov 29 22:50:09 Eearslya: I already pointed you to Impostah Nov 29 22:50:42 Eearslya: I would suggest reading some of the PreCentral threads on the subject. Nov 29 22:51:15 as oilsworkn said, distributing such binaries via this channel is technically equivalent to piracy Nov 29 22:52:06 (since no-one other than HP has the legal right to distribute that binary) Nov 29 22:53:33 Tibfib: ha, gotten into sencha then? Nov 29 22:53:37 trying Nov 29 22:53:42 ya, it is .. a big grab bag of ... stuff. Nov 29 22:53:55 they need to reduce and minimize Nov 29 22:54:32 I havnet looked at the larger Sencha/Ext stuff - just Touch, which I thought was actually a *reduced* set of all teh other crap Nov 29 22:54:55 there a bunch of useful stuff in there, its just all over the place. Nov 29 22:55:07 yeah, lots of awesome stuff, just _lots_ Nov 29 22:55:23 The list component is pretty and all, but ... slow. Nov 29 22:55:34 aww, really? Nov 29 22:55:34 some MVC stuff, some not Nov 29 22:56:12 fast enough for what I did on a 4S but slow a 3GS. Also slow animating between cards with complicated DOM. Nov 29 22:56:28 just alot more hangups that I expected in something thats been around a while and fairly 'open'. Nov 29 22:56:57 :/ Nov 29 22:56:58 not good to hear Nov 29 22:57:09 luckily I have a 4s and a 3gs I can use for testing Nov 29 22:57:48 ya, i think some things it works well and fast enough, but I also feel there are a number of hidden gotchas depending on what you use. Nov 29 22:58:02 you using 1.1 I presume not 2.x? Nov 29 22:58:10 no, 2.x Nov 29 22:58:22 ok, so, chrome and the TouchPad both support the "error" and "loadstart" media events, but throw the "error" event on every media load, wether it errors or not . . 1.4.5 and 2.1.0 support only the "loadstart", or they have a functional "error" event .. and Opera supports the other 20 some odd media events. Nov 29 22:59:02 2.x supposed to be alot faster with lists. so maybe you get lucky Nov 29 23:00:40 rwatkins: we'll see :) Nov 29 23:00:43 this is all an experiment Nov 29 23:00:44 * rwatkins hasnt done webOS media stuff since 1.0 Nov 29 23:01:06 tibfib... lucky... ? Nov 29 23:01:21 I know right Nov 29 23:04:55 EricBlade: Is it an Error: 0, or something similar? Nov 29 23:05:27 rwatkins: I like jo a lot. but it is almost too simple Nov 29 23:05:29 Error: No Error Nov 29 23:05:36 "Error: No error occurred." Nov 29 23:05:38 heh Nov 29 23:05:46 Tibfib: TWSS? Nov 29 23:05:57 Shadyman: i wanted to consider that, but i couldn't locate anything that held a status code Nov 29 23:06:50 jo also needs some css love Nov 29 23:13:18 ok, so, i just need to figure out how to setup an alternate image for something when an image download fails, and then i'm off to figuring out if drag-n-drop works in Enyo, or figuring out Exhibition Nov 29 23:13:46 ERROR: NUKE LAUNCHED Nov 29 23:14:03 * EricBlade hides under his desk Nov 29 23:14:20 Tactical Nuke Incoming! Nov 29 23:14:47 ya, looking to try out jo soon Nov 29 23:15:02 if I could just port the sliding panes thing over ... Nov 29 23:17:17 sounds relatively easy Nov 29 23:18:24 handing multiview and nonmultiview and all that ... likely a bit of work. Nov 29 23:21:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGO2hVA3P58 Nov 29 23:21:41 ^^ LMAO Nov 29 23:22:29 windows 386 Nov 29 23:23:56 lol PuffTheMagic... "4 applications all running at the same time" Nov 29 23:24:19 * EricBlade discovers that part of his problem is that his router has decided to accept no new incoming wireless connections Nov 29 23:24:31 lulzwireless Nov 29 23:24:41 wTerm? Nov 29 23:24:53 morphis_, YO! Nov 29 23:25:19 and the cell network is returning "error, don't even bother trying, i suck" Nov 29 23:26:20 damn Nov 29 23:30:41 morphis, yo Nov 29 23:30:51 morphis, in your hackings with the pre/pixi did you ever get any sort of serial console (or any other communication out the usb port) working? Nov 29 23:43:40 GPS on my webos phones has never been quick to link up. It seems Android has WebOS whupped here? any fixes for this or is this hardware? Nov 29 23:46:54 navit works wicked fast Nov 29 23:47:30 GoogleMaps and now BingMaps both go quite slow and sometimes never catch my current location. Nov 29 23:48:26 navit appears to be using old map data? Nov 29 23:48:56 as opposed to? Nov 29 23:49:27 oilsworkn, as opposed to GoogleMaps app, I'm thinkin'. Nov 29 23:50:07 when i look at my town in google maps the map is way old Nov 29 23:50:19 showing buildings there that have been removed / vice versa Nov 29 23:50:30 All of them appear to be old data. That's not a main problem. Main problem is slowness in locating me. Nov 29 23:50:42 are you inside at your computer? Nov 29 23:50:57 yes. Nov 29 23:50:59 doesnt gps need line-of-sight to the sky? Nov 29 23:51:11 outside/in my car is where the problems occur. Nov 29 23:51:49 oh, idk Nov 29 23:52:31 the few times ive used google maps its worked good enough Nov 29 23:55:24 hey all, does anyone have sprint and running a pre-? Nov 29 23:55:59 * EricBlade has a sprint pre- but it doesn't have service Nov 29 23:56:57 oh Nov 29 23:57:46 this is my third pre im putting up on my account, surprisingly all 3 phones have the same problem Nov 29 23:57:47 -__ Nov 29 23:58:00 i'm upset at this point Nov 29 23:58:15 hmm. this sounds like there's a common denominator involved here... :D Nov 29 23:58:26 lol Nov 29 23:58:44 this phone is factory refurbished, yet i cant hear anyone nor can anyone hear me Nov 29 23:59:31 I don't know if Sprint's refurb quality has improved or not since I stopped dealing for them in 2005, but from 99 to 05, I wouldn't touch a refurb unless i got it for free Nov 30 00:00:09 fudge_: plug in a headset? Nov 30 00:02:52 hmm. flex isn't very good at word wrapping on phones Nov 30 00:13:34 yea i plugged in a headseat Nov 30 00:13:38 headset* Nov 30 00:13:45 same issue, i cant hear anything Nov 30 00:13:57 the sprint rep just wrote me a ticket number Nov 30 00:14:26 and they said they'll look and replace the phone, but im not too sure if they'll do that since i didn't purchase the phone with them Nov 30 00:22:48 EricBlade / oil yes, there's an external batt charger for the treos and pres Nov 30 00:22:52 headseat. lol Nov 30 00:23:09 the last day of the palm store, there were a hundred+ in the bin marked "free" Nov 30 00:23:31 hmm. want. although it's a pain in the ass to get these covers off. Nov 30 00:23:55 mischko: do you have data outside and do you have google location services on? that's typically faster than the GPS Nov 30 00:24:02 also, what hardware are you on? Nov 30 00:24:19 wish i could wire up something like the kinetic energy watches, so anything in my pants pockets while i'm moving around, would charge Nov 30 00:24:30 dwc, pre 2 right now. pre plus before. I have data typically. How to turn on Google Locations services? Nov 30 00:24:37 my friends who have had pre- and pre2 say time-to-fix is much improved in the pre2 Nov 30 00:24:51 location services Nov 30 00:24:58 menu, "locate me using..." Nov 30 00:25:24 ok, time to go buy a new router. finally. Nov 30 00:25:25 bbl Nov 30 00:25:29 Will Google location services work with Bing? Nov 30 00:25:34 yes Nov 30 00:25:57 EricBlade: you probably could, but I think the kinetic energy watches use a lot less power than charging a pre battery might require to do well Nov 30 00:26:04 I have both GPS and Google Services checked in that pulldown. :( Nov 30 00:26:53 bummer Nov 30 00:26:59 next time.... Nov 30 01:53:53 ordered a dell venue pro. Nov 30 01:53:53 excited Nov 30 02:03:22 cool Nov 30 02:03:23 skeptical **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 30 02:59:57 2011