**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 30 02:59:57 2011
Nov 30 03:49:03 <supineru> ohai
Nov 30 03:52:30 <supineru> does there exist a patch that wake Pre's screen when touched?
Nov 30 07:41:30 <panel> hello
Nov 30 10:09:05 <EricBlade> oh lord
Nov 30 10:09:17 <EricBlade> an app just came up in the catalog with screenshots from an iPhone
Nov 30 10:09:45 <EricBlade> PROOF THAT APPLE WILL BUY PALM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 30 10:09:53 <EricBlade> 11!
Nov 30 10:11:06 <EricBlade> i spend crap tons of time taking new screenshots every time I update my app, figuring that it would be really obvious if some UI feature I added, moved, or removed, was different in the screens .. and then someone puts in iPhone shots... hmm
Nov 30 10:12:17 <supineru> not enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 30 10:12:43 <supineru> I would hate to death if Apple buy Palm -_-
Nov 30 10:21:33 <EricBlade> woo, drag and drop is retardedly easy to do in Enyo
Nov 30 10:22:08 <rwhitby> EricBlade: just proof that the app reviewers don't care any more
Nov 30 13:39:10 <panel> what's that f*cking CarrierIQ thing ? Is it on webOS too ?
Nov 30 15:33:08 <dwc-> EricBlade: there have been apps in the past that have done that
Nov 30 15:33:15 <dwc-> mostly ports of iphone/android games, etc
Nov 30 15:33:46 <dwc-> but yea, it's really easy to take new screenshots
Nov 30 15:34:16 <dwc-> having not submitted an app yet, though, I was making no assumptionsa bout how easy it was to update them in the catalog, but it sounds like you know and it's not hard
Nov 30 18:22:16 * EricBlade1 hugs webOS
Nov 30 18:26:17 <Tommy> EricBlade: kiss it goodbye :(
Nov 30 18:27:19 <Tommy> lol @ HP, producing more tablets to sell them for $100 more than before and with purchase of a laptop only
Nov 30 18:44:11 <EricBlade> ARGH, setting slidingHandler true on something makes it not only respond to sliding, it responds to individual clicks
Nov 30 19:16:58 <maximus64> hey
Nov 30 19:17:29 <maximus64> anyone here>
Nov 30 19:17:29 * dwc- laughs
Nov 30 19:17:32 <dwc-> http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/discussion/A50BXNXBEST0C/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx20DX5GEB7TUX8&cdMsgNo=1&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3N1ECGYMF3PIQ&cdMsgID=Mx1GH9K0WF0U0MF#Mx1GH9K0WF0U0MF
Nov 30 19:17:48 <dwc-> I can't tell if they're serious or trying to be funny
Nov 30 19:18:27 <wrea> lol
Nov 30 19:24:06 <EricBlade> wow the display picture there looks.. schizophrenic
Nov 30 19:30:54 <maximus64> I wnted to build a custom kernel for my touchpad is there any totorial how to do it
Nov 30 19:37:09 <EricBlade> maximus64: webos internals wiki
Nov 30 19:37:49 <EricBlade> hmm. ok, so, i have a Pane, with a Scroller, with a VirtualRepeater .. and all of the items in the virtual repeater show up, but none of them get their content nor is it able to scroll.
Nov 30 19:40:14 <maximus64> EricBlade: thank
Nov 30 19:41:27 <maximus64> EricBlade: also where i can find webos architecture? is similar as android?
Nov 30 19:42:03 <EricBlade> arch as far as .. ?
Nov 30 19:42:30 <maximus64> EricBlade: bootloader, kernel, ....
Nov 30 19:43:20 <EricBlade> i'd guess the same wiki, but i know zilch about that in either
Nov 30 19:44:11 <maximus64> EricBlade: what is zilch? :)
Nov 30 19:45:28 <EricBlade> zero, nada
Nov 30 19:45:48 <EricBlade> aha! you can't have two repeaters in the same kind, that have an item inside them with the same name.
Nov 30 19:48:22 <jcsullins> maximus64: which device are u talking about?
Nov 30 19:48:44 <maximus64> touchpad i just got form blackfriday sale
Nov 30 19:49:06 <jcsullins> maximus64: ahh, u want to build custom kernel for webOS on it?
Nov 30 19:49:26 <EricBlade> is there a halt-script button somewhere in the Javascript dev tools in chrome?
Nov 30 19:49:28 <maximus64> yea just for fun
Nov 30 19:50:04 <EricBlade> you have a strange idea of fun maximus64 :D
Nov 30 19:50:21 <jcsullins> maximus64: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels
Nov 30 19:50:33 <maximus64> jcsullins: im trying to port android 4.0 into touchpad
Nov 30 19:51:27 <jcsullins> maximus64: really? that's different than compiling custom webOS kernel ... u know about CyanogenMod on Touchpad, right?
Nov 30 19:51:38 <maximus64> yea
Nov 30 19:51:43 <maximus64> but it is 2.2
Nov 30 19:52:09 <jcsullins> suggest "/join #cyanogenmod-touchpad"
Nov 30 19:53:04 <maximus64> ok i will try that
Nov 30 19:53:10 <jcsullins> maximus64: if you are intested in some bootloader info, perhaps "/join #moboot"
Nov 30 19:53:50 <maximus64> noo bootloader is dangerous if it mess up im dead
Nov 30 19:54:57 <maximus64> jcsullins: have you made any apps for webos?
Nov 30 19:55:22 <jcsullins> maximus64: no, not really -- made (chain) bootloader, though
Nov 30 19:56:04 <maximus64> jcsullins: chain bootloader? what is that ?
Nov 30 19:56:11 <jcsullins> moboot
Nov 30 19:56:36 <maximus64> what different between chain and normal?
Nov 30 19:57:15 <jcsullins> chain = the primary bootloader (bootie) loads it (moboot) and then it loads the OS (webOS, Android, etc.)
Nov 30 19:57:29 <jcsullins> normal = it replaces the primary bootloader
Nov 30 19:58:17 <maximus64> oh i see so if the moboot bad it still can boot right?
Nov 30 19:58:47 <jcsullins> yeah, but moboot is never bad, it's always good :)
Nov 30 20:00:01 <maximus64> you got any link that show me how i can install that i might interested
Nov 30 20:01:20 <jcsullins> just google it, 1st link
Nov 30 20:01:41 <maximus64> google moboot?
Nov 30 20:01:45 <jcsullins> yes
Nov 30 20:20:38 <wrea> libtool is the bane on my existence
Nov 30 20:36:11 <EricBlade> hmm. interesting.  when the audio glitch happens, it doesn't affect the volume button tones.  and it breaks audio streaming.
Nov 30 22:40:27 <Tibfib> hmm shouldn't the topic say "official webOS dev discussion" ?
Nov 30 22:42:45 <dwc-> unofficial (webos dev discussion)
Nov 30 22:42:54 <dwc-> not endorsed, etc by hp
Nov 30 22:44:15 <Tibfib> isn't it though?
Nov 30 22:44:28 <wrea> no
Nov 30 22:44:48 <Tibfib> ffffffffffffinnne
Nov 30 22:44:59 <dwc-> why do you think it is?
Nov 30 22:45:10 <Tibfib> because it was set up by palm employees
Nov 30 22:45:14 <Tibfib> and is administered by them.
Nov 30 22:46:16 <dwc-> I believe it was originally set up by non-palm employees who may have later been employed or contracted later
Nov 30 22:46:22 <dwc-> (dkirker)
Nov 30 22:46:33 <dwc-> but I might be wrong
Nov 30 22:46:43 <dkirker> correct
Nov 30 22:46:49 <Tibfib> hmmmm
Nov 30 22:47:04 <dkirker> It is officially unofficial :P
Nov 30 22:47:11 <dkirker> according to the website
Nov 30 22:47:15 <Tibfib> fair enough
Nov 30 22:48:16 <dwc-> not sure who cdm is, but rwhitby has administered #webos longer than adroa and chuqui
Nov 30 22:48:30 <dwc-> so says chanserv anyways
Nov 30 22:48:40 <dkirker> cdm is Chris McKillop
Nov 30 22:48:50 <dwc-> and geist?
Nov 30 22:48:50 <dkirker> he used to be Director for the Kernel at Palm
Nov 30 22:48:54 <dwc-> ahh
Nov 30 22:48:59 <dkirker> geist, Travis, worked for Chris
Nov 30 22:49:20 * dwc- has a rough idea who the rest on the list are
Nov 30 22:58:38 <ka6sox> Geist wrote bootie :D
Nov 30 23:10:10 <rwhitby> and iBoot before that
Nov 30 23:10:48 * rwhitby does not administer the channel, but is simply an appointed deputy to dkirker's rule of law
Nov 30 23:11:13 <dkirker> rwhitby: :D
Nov 30 23:14:15 <rwhitby> dkirker was instrumental in my decision to create WebOS Internals, by having an IRC channel where I could sound out Palm folks for reaction to my plans.
Nov 30 23:14:54 <dkirker> ah
Nov 30 23:14:58 <dkirker> those were the days :)
Dec 01 00:47:17 <rwatkins> EricBlade1: having issues with SwipeableItems in a SlidingView?
Dec 01 00:47:52 <rwatkins> I dont set dragAnywhere to false, but have VirtualLists with SwipeableItems in Paper Mache w/o an issue.
Dec 01 01:10:41 <rwatkins> searching old email, found something discussing the early web in '95 and references Chuq  :)
Dec 01 01:10:49 <rwatkins> To: Multiple recipients of list <apple-internet-users@abs.apple.com> [...] I am not at all sure that this is the right place to put this.  I can already hear Chuq Von Rospach saying "Now, if this were apple-philosophy-internet-virtuality..."
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