**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:59:57 2011 Dec 11 03:48:23 fuck yeahh!!! Dec 11 03:48:30 just here to explode with joy about open-sourcing of webOS Dec 11 03:50:17 StayInSkool: inorite Dec 11 04:08:05 i love all the people doing drive-bys on the channel.. "OPEN SOURCE ! WOO! HIGH FIVE!" lol Dec 11 04:09:20 I wonder how many of them will remember in three months or so when the source code is actually released ... Dec 11 04:09:46 i'm hoping that we can get parts before then Dec 11 04:09:59 the only part I expect early is enyo Dec 11 04:10:43 until yesterday i expected that you had some more inside knowledge than the rest of us rwhitby heh Dec 11 04:11:33 this one they kept pretty close Dec 11 04:14:50 rwhitby: how'd your phone call go? can you share anything? Dec 11 04:15:14 the HP "communication team" failed in their primary purpose Dec 11 04:15:26 they failed to contact me in a 16 hour window Dec 11 04:15:47 in short, "it didn't" Dec 11 04:15:54 either they don't have skype, or don't know how to call an international phone number Dec 11 04:16:28 look, mixing complex technology and other countries is never a good idea Dec 11 04:16:32 that's just asking for trouble Dec 11 04:16:39 Derek was told they had extensive discussions with open source developers before making the decision. I'd like to know who those developers were. Dec 11 04:17:01 Marc Andreesen obviously Dec 11 04:17:27 yeah, he seems to be meg's chief adviso Dec 11 04:17:28 r Dec 11 04:17:51 I wouldn't necessarily call that a bad thing, though he hasn't been exactly relevant to anything recently Dec 11 04:17:57 at least not that i've heard of Dec 11 04:18:10 his wiki pages suggests similarly Dec 11 04:18:25 he knows that stuff that needs to be known to make the business decision Dec 11 04:19:13 he has been in the past, though, a strong tech guy, and a strong businessman Dec 11 04:19:17 which is fine, but I don't see how it lets HP "do open source right" Dec 11 04:19:56 i don't even remember if he was still involved by the time Netscape became Mozilla Dec 11 04:20:20 it actually seems like an entire lifetime ago. For some of you it was. Dec 11 04:20:39 (addressing the entire channel) Dec 11 04:21:30 when was that? Dec 11 04:21:39 I was alive, but proably young Dec 11 04:21:47 and by probably, I mean definitely Dec 11 04:23:24 hmm. i guess it hasn't been that long Dec 11 04:23:54 the Foundation was formed in 2003 Dec 11 04:24:55 but the original open sourcing->mozilla was before that wasn't it? Dec 11 04:26:16 hmm.. "January 1998 was also the month that Netscape started the open source Mozilla project." Dec 11 04:27:19 didn't they pretty much rewrite a lot of the code from scratch? Dec 11 04:35:49 yeah Mozilla has very little in common if anything with Netscape Dec 11 04:36:00 er, with Netscape from before Mozilla Dec 11 04:50:53 rwhitby: "HP is said to have consulted Red Hat" Dec 11 04:53:06 til webos server comes out... Dec 11 04:55:45 hmm, gstreamer doesnt want to build Dec 11 04:57:18 i bet it wants to build, but it's just picky Dec 11 04:59:21 it knows its me and therefore, refuses **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 05:00:12 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 05:00:37 2011 Dec 11 05:02:05 you have to give it just the right commands to make it work right Dec 11 05:02:27 open source things tend to be very picky about who they let do things to them Dec 11 05:02:30 and how Dec 11 05:09:18 jeez. things i have accomplished in 7 days of being really sick: 4 hrs of my day job. 5 hrs of my night job. cleaned my desk. fixed 2 bugs in gvoice. all the rest of my time has been spent either sleeping, talking on irc, or random web surfing Dec 11 05:12:17 stupid glib errors Dec 11 05:12:36 I was sick this week, just a cold though Dec 11 05:17:03 anyone know when webos source will be available? Dec 11 05:17:04 hmm. we need to fix the telephone location area code database. several numbers around here that call me show as "Southwest Michigan" but they are actually southEAST michigan numbers Dec 11 05:17:39 Tommy: it's been 24 hours. and it's a weekend. and it's coming up on the holidays. patience. :D Dec 11 05:17:58 Tommy: I'm going to guess at least 6 months. Dec 11 05:18:01 EricBlade1: i'm not expecting it now, i'm asking if they indicated a time frame... a week, a month, 6 months Dec 11 05:18:14 LarrySteeze: yeah, i figured it'd take a while for them to get it together to open source it Dec 11 05:18:36 i can't wait starting to put it on other phones Dec 11 05:18:53 Tommy: Please keep in mind that many parts of webos are actually licensed by HP/Palm from other companies and are proprietary. These pieces are going to have to be recoded by HP before it can be opensourced Dec 11 05:19:06 LarrySteeze: yeah i don't care about those Dec 11 05:19:29 no one really has any specifics at the moment. they're really at the very beginning of that, considering that only management knew of the discussions involved, the engineers and mid-level peoples and stuff that are needed to design and implement these sorts of things found out about 10 seconds after we did Dec 11 05:19:35 well, whether you care or not, it won't be released until they're done :P Dec 11 05:19:36 LarrySteeze: i'm guessing it'll be similar to google and android Dec 11 05:19:45 LarrySteeze: as i said, i thought it'd take them a while Dec 11 05:19:59 just asked if they mentioned any time frame, i'll take your reactions as a no Dec 11 05:20:12 well, I don't have any inside information Dec 11 05:20:18 my guess is 6 months to a year Dec 11 05:20:24 i didn't see the press release Dec 11 05:20:27 thought maybe someone here had Dec 11 05:20:34 but I'd be pleasantly surprised if it was earlier Dec 11 05:20:54 i just hope they decide to support it still Dec 11 05:23:41 well, if it takes 6 months to get anything, and that halts all forward progress from 2.2.4 and 3.0.5, then IMO the system will be nearly DOA Dec 11 05:26:52 EricBlade1: it's been DOA since they stopped making devices for it Dec 11 05:27:10 hell, it was DOA when it was released, 0.7% market share at its highest or something? Dec 11 05:27:46 i think it's around 2% or so at the moment Dec 11 05:33:43 if a concerted effort by an extra hundred or so absolutely focused part time developers has a chance of getting us somewhere, the sooner we get it the better Dec 11 05:34:16 somewhere meaning "pre-installed on someone's phone or tablet" Dec 11 05:34:21 or whatever other thing Dec 11 05:36:19 I assume, that HP is going to hold the reins over the "official webOS" releases. If I do anything with the code, that's where I'd want what I work on. I don't want to be just a mod team Dec 11 05:38:47 EricBlade1: what they should do is yes, do that, but also accept pull requests and such Dec 11 05:40:00 i'd hope so, but then will it have every single person's pet thing in it? Dec 11 05:40:24 they don't have to accept all pull requests Dec 11 05:40:44 well yeah you have to be selective with stuff like that :p Dec 11 05:40:49 but not completely ignorant either Dec 11 05:41:22 right. i'm just imagining that we may end up with something that is either webOS+KitchenSink, or we'll end up with an official system that moves about as quickly as it does now Dec 11 05:41:43 and both situations are probably less than ideal Dec 11 05:41:47 ideally we'd get something in between Dec 11 05:42:28 i'd really like to get a handle on what palm had currently up their sleeves in progress prior to yesterday Dec 11 05:43:17 my big desires are mostly api's to deal with the stuff that we just can't do as webapp or native app developers at the moment Dec 11 05:43:40 I think now you'll see undocumented APIs become part of it all Dec 11 05:44:24 yeah but a lot of that stuff is protected with good reasons. but right now there's no way to get around those protections. Dec 11 05:45:09 there's the media interface for web apps, but no complimentary access for native apps Dec 11 05:45:20 I am interested to see how stuff is done now Dec 11 05:45:58 there's "think how much you can do with an app if you could ask for access to system database information" .. there's "why can't i register myself as a program that can be launched when someone selects a contact in Just Type" Dec 11 05:46:00 because is there one big repository of apis. Do people make them and give them to HP to put into webOS builds Dec 11 05:51:00 i guess all this stuff isn't worth worrying about, except to note down things that i want when i think of them Dec 11 05:51:10 until something is ready Dec 11 05:52:00 maybe while this is going on they can dedicate a few people to fixing our catalog Dec 11 05:54:36 EricBlade1: 2%? you think? Dec 11 05:56:07 maybe after the touchpad firesale, idk Dec 11 05:57:50 some googling around shows aroudn 2% for webOS and Symbian as of July Dec 11 05:58:05 seperately Dec 11 05:58:53 touchpad has the second highest marketshare, after iPad Dec 11 05:59:00 for whatever that means Dec 11 05:59:09 still could be a big spread, to be sure Dec 11 05:59:20 but 2nd is the next first :-P Dec 11 06:00:16 unfortunately, it's difficult to find things that list HP, Palm, and/or webOS, they are usually lumped into nebulous "Other" categories Dec 11 06:00:57 indeed Dec 11 06:02:03 " WebOS's worldwide market share is forecast to reach 4.7% in 3Q11. However, with no clear plan to license or sell the OS to other vendors, IDC expects the WebOS market share to shrink back to zero by 1Q12." .. but that's only speaking about tablets. Dec 11 06:02:53 ~5% could still be 2nd place Dec 11 06:02:54 aha, here we go, right before apothekerlypse Dec 11 06:03:01 http://www.cyprich.com/2011/08/08/august-2011-smart-phone-market-share/ Dec 11 06:06:53 hmm. pre2's aren't as bad on battery as i've been led to believe. all day and i'm down at 70% Dec 11 06:07:11 EricBlade1: Just don't leave Wifi on Dec 11 06:07:34 that's pretty much idling, with wifi and phone on, only thing that's regularly doing anything is Spaz Dec 11 06:07:44 or maybe it's phnx Dec 11 06:07:49 whichever one keeps beeping at me all the time Dec 11 06:09:04 I've found wifi to be less battery-consumptive than ev-do Dec 11 06:10:26 Oh? Something must be constantly using my wifi, then Dec 11 06:10:52 I can go all day like EricBlade without wifi, or have it on and be dead in 4 or 6 hours Dec 11 06:12:51 actually palm has said from day 1 of the Pre that webos was designed to be far more efficient with wifi turned on than off, even if you aren't in a wifi area Dec 11 06:13:32 wifi on with no connection kills my battery, but if wifi is available, it's way better on battery life, for me Dec 11 06:13:53 it shouldn't... Dec 11 06:14:31 at least in theory Dec 11 06:14:55 Come to think of it, I never turn off wifi on my pre 2, and never did on my pre - either Dec 11 06:15:16 and I can usually get a full day with moderate use...half a day with heavy use Dec 11 06:23:29 I have a touchstone in my cube, my phone is basically charging all day Dec 11 06:32:13 oh dear. i was just reading some indian guy's rambling post on webosnation, and i realized i was reading it in an indian accent in my head Dec 11 06:43:03 racest Dec 11 07:09:41 well Ari most probably has not learnt from Meego expereince, if you dont have hardware , no one is going to use open sourced webos Dec 11 07:15:34 if only the world was that black and white :) Dec 11 07:15:51 Stskeeps nice to find you here also :) Dec 11 07:16:13 just observing Dec 11 07:19:01 no one except, you know, hardware manufactureres, potentially Dec 11 07:19:22 and HP has said they're planning on new hardware, they just don't know when Dec 11 07:21:07 Nokia said same and came with N9 the first and last Meego handset, Samsung is saying we are intersted in meego Dec 11 07:21:17 but nothing came out of it Dec 11 07:21:30 as of now Dec 11 07:21:53 I'm not disagreeing that it's sort of questionable Dec 11 07:22:00 but I'm optimistic Dec 11 07:22:01 meego was bogged down by politics and stupid backdoor deals Dec 11 07:22:33 "stupid backdoor deals"? Dec 11 07:22:35 it should make a good case study of how not to do webos Dec 11 07:22:45 summatusmentis: yeah.. that things weren't conducted in a proper transparent way Dec 11 07:22:52 I sort of stopped following maemo ~n810 Dec 11 07:23:01 mm Dec 11 07:38:28 i had the n770 Dec 11 07:51:21 cute. i just got to trying out my media player app on my pre2. it doesn't work. at -all-. Dec 11 07:53:01 Oh? Dec 11 07:53:17 yeah nothing plays Dec 11 07:53:32 i have it's cousin, the pre+ with 2.1, right next to it, it works fine Dec 11 07:53:44 pre2 works for me Dec 11 07:54:06 is the music volume turned up? Dec 11 07:54:25 mute switch turned off? Dec 11 07:55:13 reboot fixed it Dec 11 07:57:28 lol. for every time i've done a "full erase" on my pre+, it's added a new copy of the palm and facebook default bookmarks Dec 11 07:57:34 i know have 6 of each Dec 11 07:57:37 *now Dec 11 08:08:29 does webos 1 and 2 have some way of notifying users of updated apps? Dec 11 08:08:46 i see in 1 if i hit the "Updates" it will check for app updates as well as os updates Dec 11 08:09:07 i don't see any way to check for updates to apps in 2.. unless it just does it automatically sometimes Dec 11 08:10:30 it does it automatically each week Dec 11 08:10:38 cute Dec 11 08:10:40 but in the software manager you can check Dec 11 08:10:56 i just loaded all of my devices with my beta app straight from the catalog, just to see. Dec 11 08:11:08 and it loaded them all with the prior version Dec 11 08:18:58 well i guess i'll find out if auto-updates to beta apps happen as soon as the catalog gets around to updating instead of just telling me it updated Dec 11 08:22:06 awesome, i lost one of my paid apps too, and it wants me to buy it again Dec 11 08:26:56 EricBlade1: Open the software manager, you can check for updates from there. Dec 11 08:27:18 Shadyman: yeah the catalog is still reporting the old version Dec 11 08:27:37 are you internet-connected? Dec 11 08:27:42 yes Dec 11 08:28:10 i pushed the update about an hour ago, and it went to active in about a minute from the time i submitted it Dec 11 08:28:19 i'm guessing it's not -really- that fast Dec 11 08:31:07 Probably not. Dec 11 08:33:59 the disjointedness between the developer reporting system, and every other part of the system that it attaches to is .. infuriating. Dec 11 08:34:21 i can certainly see why the big name developers jumped ship before there was even a touchpad Dec 11 08:57:34 yay! beta apps do update Dec 11 11:57:03 we're going to have to really come together and do something truly special in open source, if we're going to make this work, and somehow manage to gain webOS any market at all Dec 11 12:17:30 hi Dec 11 12:18:03 i am curious, what is behind the services palm://com.palm.foo.bar and luna://... Dec 11 12:18:07 it looks like dbus Dec 11 13:11:50 hello Dec 11 17:33:31 how do developers feel about webos goign open source Dec 11 17:33:41 any chance of a wirc update Dec 11 17:33:55 ask oil Dec 11 17:35:21 I was surprised when I read open source. I guess no buyers Dec 11 17:38:00 summatusmentis: ping Dec 11 17:41:50 probably no buyers that wanted to leave HP with the rights they wanted to keep Dec 11 17:43:15 so they open sourced it with very little possibility of making anything from it Dec 11 17:43:22 what rights did they want to keep Dec 11 17:43:59 I thought they wanted to get rid of it completely. There actions suggested that Dec 11 17:44:47 sounds like they're pretty stuck on the printers idea Dec 11 17:47:12 I have not heard anything from the former Palm CEO since the debacle Dec 11 17:47:40 I wonder what he has to say. In a way he paved the road for failure Dec 11 17:48:46 jevon, im trying to get a ssl update to wirc out Dec 11 17:48:49 the catalog version Dec 11 17:49:10 enyo version is suspended right now cause oil is sorta mia and never around :/ Dec 11 17:49:38 i havent been tracking the homebrew scene Dec 11 17:49:52 what sites are out there that'll help fill me in, get me in the loop? Dec 11 17:50:31 precentral seems to be the only webos site Dec 11 17:51:01 just install Preware Dec 11 17:51:11 thats your 1 stop source for HB Dec 11 17:51:58 Tibfib_: pong Dec 11 17:52:21 * PuffTheMagic is starting a new app Dec 11 17:52:23 ;) Dec 11 17:52:43 i'm more interested in the dev than the download communities Dec 11 17:52:46 PuffTheMagic: no, finish mendeley first Dec 11 17:52:55 but good stuf, will get me started, thx Dec 11 17:52:56 summatusmentis, its related to mendeley sorta Dec 11 17:53:09 summatusmentis, its a pdf viewer Dec 11 17:53:17 can I ask why? Dec 11 17:53:22 webOS has PDF viewers Dec 11 17:53:28 they suck Dec 11 17:53:33 they work Dec 11 17:53:36 mostly Dec 11 17:53:48 I _guess_ that's fair Dec 11 17:53:49 the free one is a piece of shit Dec 11 17:54:01 and the one ins smart office is not enyo Dec 11 17:54:03 and not free Dec 11 17:54:18 I wish I had like, time Dec 11 17:54:32 maybe over break I'll have time to look at mendeley Dec 11 17:54:34 i read a rumor somewhere that agilent was planing on licensing it to they oscilloscope lines but that thosen't make any sense to me... Dec 11 17:54:34 i just gonna spend a few hours playing with pdf.js Dec 11 17:54:51 doesn't Dec 11 17:55:19 summatusmentis, i too should be working on a conference paper but I havened coded in a while and im getting an itch Dec 11 17:55:32 eurisko: what, webos? that seems a little far-fetched Dec 11 17:56:21 PuffTheMagic: yeah, I have a lit-review that I should be working, in all my spare time Dec 11 17:56:50 PuffTheMagic: Something happend to oil? Dec 11 17:58:11 work/RL im guessing Dec 11 17:58:30 idk Dec 11 17:58:53 i can never get a answer from him about wirc Dec 11 17:59:13 sad Dec 11 17:59:22 wirc is an irc client? Dec 11 17:59:30 *shot in the dark Dec 11 17:59:32 Tibfib_: if you're around, get at me. I'm taking off soonish, so you could email me too, if you'd prefer Dec 11 18:00:22 so I take it webkit/webos does not support Uint8Array Dec 11 18:07:20 summatusmentis: was just wondering if the latest nom3 was working out Dec 11 18:07:27 latest as in a month ago or so Dec 11 18:08:48 yeah, definitely Dec 11 18:09:07 the swiping is irritating somewhat, but that's webOSs fault Dec 11 18:09:48 okay, I think I'll probably submit it. I've been waiting on updated tutorials... Dec 11 18:10:00 so any typed arrays in webos? Dec 11 18:22:08 guess there will be no pdFU till webkit gets an update in webos :( Dec 11 18:50:27 hope i don't get shelled for asking this... there's no realistic possibility of webOS features being integrated into android custom builds now that it'll be open right? i'd think not, given android is all java, but i'm not familiar with webOS Dec 11 18:56:47 nobody knows until licensure Dec 11 19:27:15 dwc-: what does licensure have to do with anything? Dec 11 19:27:33 incompatible licenses = no mixing code Dec 11 19:27:57 dwc-: notice i said "custom builds", i already assumed the license wouldn't allow google to directly integrate features and sell phones with it Dec 11 19:28:06 hello Dec 11 19:28:10 and that wouldn't allow anyone else to either, legally Dec 11 19:28:23 dwc-: well right, just like cyanogenmod can't legally distribute google apps Dec 11 19:28:27 good luck suing Dec 11 19:30:05 i just wanted to know, from a perspective of code alone, not legality, how difficult it would be... i'm assuming the different architecture would make it too difficult to be worthwhile Dec 11 19:30:47 I don't know the details, but per the canonical source of truthiness, the wp article says that google's apps codes are not redistributed, maintaining legality Dec 11 19:31:25 dwc-: well, cyanogen got a cease & desist letter from google's legal team until they started packing the apps separately from the build itself Dec 11 19:32:06 so you can interpret that however you may, tells me it's probably not within the grounds of the license Dec 11 19:32:15 again, I don't have cyanogen or an android device, but it sounds like they are -not- distributing the apps at all, together or separately. however, this is orthogonal to licenses wrt integrating code Dec 11 19:33:24 but, I am not a lawyer Dec 11 19:33:46 oh, well then i can tell you they are, if that was the question Dec 11 19:34:11 you download a google apps zip file and a zip file for the build, flash the build first, then if you want market/gmail/maps/etc you flash the google apps zip Dec 11 19:35:17 http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/the-current-state sounds like that is not the case Dec 11 19:36:51 but again, re-distributing market/gmail/maps/etc is a different issue than mixing code Dec 11 19:46:42 dwc-: umm, did you see the date on that? Dec 11 19:47:03 the "current" state in september 2009, right after they got the cease & desist letter and before they found a way to package the google apps separately Dec 11 19:57:49 somebody knows if I can buy via paypal with unveriefied xredit card ? Dec 11 19:57:54 *credit Dec 11 20:09:19 lol, unverified credit card? Dec 11 20:12:01 yes, because I want to change expired credit card Dec 11 20:12:09 and it will take about week Dec 11 20:12:26 when I will get verify code Dec 11 20:12:29 from my bank Dec 11 20:12:47 and I want to buy one TP today :/ Dec 11 20:16:43 I have bad luck for TP, as had on b&n firesale Dec 11 20:26:06 panel: they need to be able to charge the card Dec 11 20:30:09 yes, I find that on onverified credit card you have $100 limit Dec 11 20:30:41 and some ebay seller doesn't accept unverified credit card Dec 11 20:31:09 I will buy TP for full ebay price, I'm done with it Dec 11 20:33:06 and I have to be sparing in next few months Dec 11 20:38:01 prices for TP on ebay are crazy Dec 11 20:38:05 $355 Dec 11 20:38:20 with shipping Dec 11 20:38:57 could never pay such a price. I barely use it Dec 11 20:39:45 what, no they're not Dec 11 20:39:49 at least not for the 16GB Dec 11 20:39:59 there are some up for like $200 with free shipping Dec 11 20:40:24 yes, but I'm in europe Dec 11 20:40:25 a ton below $250 Dec 11 20:40:41 I will pay $50-$70 for shipping Dec 11 20:41:16 this sucks Dec 11 20:42:08 then buy one from like ebay.eu? Dec 11 20:42:49 wonder how much i could get for a used one Dec 11 20:43:18 though I imagine with how weak the dollar is it might still be cheaper to buy from the US Dec 11 20:44:31 wtf ebay.eu :/ strange page Dec 11 20:44:35 search is bad Dec 11 20:44:41 but thanks for info Dec 11 20:44:51 i didn't know about that domain Dec 11 20:44:52 :) Dec 11 20:46:47 from US I have to pay custom duty too :( 20% Dec 11 20:53:53 Brybry I think that euro is not so good too Dec 11 20:55:28 still worth like 30% more than USD Dec 11 20:56:03 hmm, you're right, but I'm little bit afraid of future Dec 11 20:59:18 thanks for help guys Dec 11 21:05:31 wonder how much i could get for a used touchpd Dec 11 21:06:23 ~200 Dec 11 21:08:33 cool. at least more than i paid for it Dec 11 21:08:44 i have two getting rid of one Dec 11 21:08:49 wife does not like it Dec 11 21:09:10 jevon: you can try dual booting to android Dec 11 21:10:29 that's what i do Dec 11 21:11:38 i see she doesn't like either OS Dec 11 21:12:29 she prefer to use the phone Dec 11 21:12:32 all she needs is a cookbook program anyway Dec 11 21:12:36 right? :D hahaha Dec 11 21:12:36 android phone Dec 11 21:12:50 lol Dec 11 21:12:51 :) Dec 11 21:13:16 I;m not wife, byt I like cooking Dec 11 21:13:18 :) Dec 11 21:31:55 good night Dec 11 21:33:49 i really expected that the palm developer site would be busier than it is lately Dec 11 21:39:27 why? Dec 11 21:39:57 i wonder how many developers are left Dec 11 21:46:41 sometimes i think it's just about 6 or 8 Dec 11 21:46:52 that are active on the forums Dec 11 21:49:06 hah, that's true. Dec 11 21:49:19 and half of those people are just actively complaining Dec 11 21:49:51 i do enough complaining for all of them Dec 11 21:51:12 hello guyz Dec 11 21:51:26 i heard webos is going opensource Dec 11 21:51:44 you heard correct Dec 11 21:51:52 it is great news Dec 11 21:52:16 what surprises we can expect webos going opensource Dec 11 21:52:23 is the code available for download Dec 11 21:52:27 I think it has the potential to be great news Dec 11 21:52:34 hey so Dec 11 21:52:38 i heard this news that Dec 11 21:52:45 the webos is going to be open source Dec 11 21:52:48 there's no code yet, and it won't be available for a while, is my guess Dec 11 21:52:58 o_O Dec 11 21:53:16 Or is there.... Dec 11 21:53:24 may be hp had to clean the code before releasing Dec 11 21:53:40 Thats exactly what they are doing right now Dec 11 21:53:56 most likely there are closed source elements of webos that need to be substituted and prioritized Dec 11 21:55:04 yeah, multimedia codecs, voice control stuff, text correction, database, maybe other stuff Dec 11 21:55:41 i have touchpad 32gigs Dec 11 21:56:10 i love to see linux apps proted onto touchpad Dec 11 21:56:28 well that you can do already, see ubuntu chroot on touchpad Dec 11 21:57:44 how abt drivers , are they working in ubuntu like touch, wifi, blueooth and soon Dec 11 21:58:14 the ubuntu runs inside a card in webos Dec 11 21:58:16 so..on Dec 11 21:59:00 oh okay, you mean like virtulization Dec 11 21:59:35 is there a way to put divx codec in webos Dec 11 21:59:39 not really, it actually runs inside the webos kernel Dec 11 22:00:15 there are a couple of really good video players, TouchPlayer and KalemSoft Player, both of which I believe support divx Dec 11 22:00:29 EricBlade:} that means most of or all of the ubuntu software works on touchpad Dec 11 22:00:53 chandoo: pretty much anything that is port to the ARM system yes. Dec 11 22:01:39 EricBlade:} i am watching divx files from browser Dec 11 22:02:41 hello. i am running the the extended-feedreader in Safari. adding feeds works but the webview is not working Dec 11 22:02:44 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/extended_enyo_tutorial.html Dec 11 22:03:41 The error I am getting in the js console is: "Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL... from frame with URL . Domains, protocols, and ports must match." Dec 11 22:04:32 dlaflamme: i use these parameters on the Chrome command line.. there may be more required to get WebView to work, if it even can work in a browser.. --allow-file-access-from-files --disable-web-security --enable-file-cookies Dec 11 22:04:46 i want to say i had it working at one point, but i'm not entirely certain Dec 11 22:05:04 ok, will try that with chrome but I was using safari because i read somewhere that no special parameters were necessary. :) Dec 11 22:05:18 i think safari uses the same command line parameters as chrome Dec 11 22:07:43 * EricBlade goes looking for 2.2.4 Dec 11 22:07:49 * EricBlade is again sadly disappointed Dec 11 22:10:30 refurbished touchpads are up on eBay. Unfortunately they are priced at $499 Dec 11 22:11:31 it doesnt start for another 2 hours, afaik Dec 11 22:11:45 yeah Dec 11 22:11:50 EricBlade: that didn't work for Safari but did work for Chrome. Thank you. Dec 11 22:12:15 excellent. now go build something awesome :D Dec 11 22:12:17 What the heck? Will this price stay? Dec 11 22:12:56 my first app was built using that tutorial as a base. some of it still even has some code like it Dec 11 22:15:13 i like this tutorial a lot Dec 11 22:15:20 do you know any others that are good? Dec 11 22:16:09 read through the palm developer blog, and fahhem's blog Dec 11 22:16:35 and dig up the technisode blog Dec 11 22:17:53 you can read the _extended tutorial Dec 11 22:17:57 arthur thorton's Dec 11 22:18:07 that's the one he's using Dec 11 22:18:09 thank you for the suggestions Dec 11 22:18:10 oh Dec 11 22:18:32 that's kinda what i thought, i thought maybe he said just 'enyo tutorial' Dec 11 22:19:01 idk any more specific tutorials, but the api's are great Dec 11 22:19:08 docs Dec 11 23:31:38 webos is in need of hardware acceleration Dec 11 23:31:46 so slow Dec 11 23:38:05 webos is more in need of hardware Dec 11 23:38:43 the shareholders are leading hp to destruction. Dec 11 23:48:35 new hardware isn't going to make it any faster Dec 11 23:48:45 the tochpad hardware is pretty good yet really slow Dec 11 23:49:51 webos uses hardware acceleration extensively Dec 11 23:50:21 a problem, however, is a webkit that is 2 years old Dec 11 23:51:02 No way to update it ahead of the stable release? Dec 11 23:52:09 The devs have been working on a major WebKit update for the 3.0 line. I imagine that there will be someone, once the open source is out, that will probably be a person who is going to task themselves with keeping WebKit up to date Dec 11 23:56:08 EricBlade: really Dec 11 23:56:55 really what Dec 11 23:57:25 webos has hardware acceleration Dec 11 23:58:02 Yes. Hardware Acceleration isn't that amazing of a thing, it's more of a buzz word, thanks Microsoft. Dec 11 23:58:33 why is the ui so laggy then and things load so slow Dec 11 23:58:56 i don't have a problem with that anymore since updating to 3.0.4, and i don't have that problem at all on any of my phones Dec 11 23:59:43