**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 23 02:59:56 2011 Dec 23 03:06:22 EricBlade: orly? I haven't done anything explicitly with autocorrect, but there might be something in their js Dec 23 03:07:10 I was able to type "package" in my notes app just fine, though :P Dec 23 03:07:29 sugardave: i was experiencing the nasty problem with autocorrect that everyone's been talking about since 3.0.4 hit, first time i've ever experienced it for longer than a single word. it was during a time that the database access bug was happening, so i think that's the cause of it, or at least it's related to it. Dec 23 03:08:53 I had db8 seemingly die on me the other day when I was testing something...I thought my code wasn't working :/ Dec 23 03:21:31 hi Dec 23 03:21:57 i am using fedora16, how to install palm sdk, mojo and required development tools on linux Dec 23 03:22:16 thats nice :D Dec 23 03:22:51 ka6sox, how to start Dec 23 03:24:14 that is a good start there. Dec 23 03:24:51 install ubuntu :P Dec 23 03:25:46 from my experience, if you manage to get java installed, the rest of it should work on fedora Dec 23 03:25:53 that's pretty limited experience though Dec 23 03:27:18 EricBlade, i have latest java installed on fedora Dec 23 03:27:42 i have to go now, i will be back later, thanks Dec 23 03:31:02 heh, lol Dec 23 03:31:21 no one ever mentioned that my media server had a buitl in flash player that understands the format it plays in Dec 23 03:45:00 seriously, the phones time out when flash video is playing Dec 23 04:52:38 hehe Dec 23 04:52:42 Anonymous said... Dec 23 04:52:43 "Seriously? A WebOS version before Android? What's next, the Symbian version? Really, what is your strategy?" Dec 23 04:52:53 on the Zite blog post about the app Dec 23 04:54:36 Zite apparently knows where the users are giant jerks Dec 23 04:54:40 *aren't Dec 23 04:55:10 lol Dec 23 04:55:47 seriously? like really really? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! Dec 23 04:55:58 deadly Dec 23 04:59:48 anyone know a quick trick to get around the requirement that you have two completely seperate windows for exhibition vs regular mode? Dec 23 05:04:12 please, I have an HP Veer and turned on the mobile hotspot. My veer can access sites through data plan (3g), and my mac os laptop connected to the create wifi network. the problem is that my laptop cannot access the internet Dec 23 05:04:35 what can I do? Dec 23 05:04:39 Use freetether instead of MHS Dec 23 05:05:09 hmmm got it. this is a known problem or happens only with my device? Dec 23 05:07:23 astruasdh: the mobile hotspot lets your data carrier know about what's going on Dec 23 05:07:45 The regular tethering program is typically just per carrier, it doesn't work on unlocked phones Dec 23 05:08:32 EricBlade: my carrier is not at&t... can this be the problem? Dec 23 05:08:39 my phone was locked Dec 23 05:08:57 what is Zite? Dec 23 05:09:10 http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-21/ Dec 23 05:09:11 astruasdh: Yes :) So use freetether, it's better anyways. Dec 23 05:09:47 thanks, guys! another question: is it possible to simply use my veer as a modem instead of making it act as an wifi-fi router? Dec 23 05:13:57 With Freetether, you can tether over bluetooth, wifi, or USB Dec 23 05:14:01 So.. Yes. Dec 23 05:14:07 and why does it have a WP7 ui ? Dec 23 05:14:12 thanks :) Dec 23 05:14:20 yw :) Dec 23 05:39:12 sorry, guys... but where can I find the source of freetether? Dec 23 05:41:52 astrausdh: it's in Preware Dec 23 05:42:47 astrausdh, thats a question for #webos-internals Dec 23 05:42:51 the webOS wiki page has been updated to list 3.0.5 as released Feb 31, 2055 Dec 23 05:43:15 thanks! Dec 23 05:43:42 I wanted to use it without installing preware, and read the code to see if it's ok. I use my device also for work. thanks guys =) Dec 23 05:45:19 one thing... my calendar is strange. When I mark an event, it does not appear in the month-view. Sometime a gray bar appear, but sometines such gray bar is at a wrong date. Am I fogetting to change some config? Dec 23 05:45:22 2055 Dec 23 05:45:41 that was such a great year. Dec 23 05:45:55 It was only the third year with a Feb 31, too Dec 23 06:18:06 EricBlade: can you elaborate on your exhibition question? Dec 23 06:19:32 sugardave: as far as i can tell, to work properly with exhibition, you have to use noWindow, and you have to use openWindow to open a different window than your main app uses. this generates lots of problems with various exhibition apps Dec 23 06:20:14 maybe that's my problem...I just launch the same app window when I get the dockMode parameter Dec 23 06:20:20 it is headless, yeah Dec 23 06:20:59 but I just launch the same window for both "regular" and "exhibition" mode Dec 23 06:21:10 the only issue I have is that the app won't stick as the exhibition app of choice Dec 23 06:21:19 i see that a -lot- Dec 23 06:21:49 as well as apps like agendaZ and LCARS clock that do really weird stuff sometimes Dec 23 06:22:39 agenda is/was (haven't checked in a while) messed up if it was your default and you rebooted and let it come up in exhibition mode Dec 23 06:22:54 it wouldn't draw the background all the way down the viewport Dec 23 06:23:04 i think that's all fixed Dec 23 06:23:16 but it still requires launching it twice from the launcher after you've run it in exhibition Dec 23 06:23:33 hmmm Dec 23 06:24:47 I wonder if I need to stop the user from exiting somehow and only allow it to deactivate when coming out of exhibition....may that's why it won't stick Dec 23 06:25:13 but as far as using the same window for regular app and exhibition, it "works" just fine Dec 23 06:48:00 sugardave: well should you figure out the answer to the not sticking thing, let's refer it to the guy that does Flickr Mundo Dec 23 09:35:04 hello Dec 23 09:35:09 is anyone there? Dec 23 09:36:03 yoooooooooooooooooo Dec 23 09:41:05 hm Dec 23 09:41:06 yes Dec 23 09:41:38 hey do you know anything bout webos mojo buttons? Dec 23 09:42:14 no. I only know about the PDK Dec 23 09:42:42 ok nvm Dec 23 09:43:04 if anyone does...let me know Dec 23 09:43:25 hm. I copied mp3 files in subfolders on my Pre2, but it doesn't show up. Only music I had on before Dec 23 09:59:51 must it be "music" or "Music" on the USB drive? Dec 23 10:03:47 hm. now it works - I did not do anyhting... Dec 23 10:05:01 might just be slow at updating the mucic db Dec 23 10:06:10 ah. all right then Dec 23 10:06:31 would be cool if it showed a progress bar. But anyway Dec 23 10:57:32 merry christmas to all Dec 23 13:58:12 will it be worth developing for ios and android using enyo? Dec 23 13:58:35 or development web apps Dec 23 14:08:00 hi Dec 23 14:08:49 I ran a system update on my Pre3 OTA and I forgot to uninstall my patches before that... Now I can't update/remove them. Any clue on how to fix that ? Dec 23 14:26:34 webos doctor? Dec 23 14:56:01 i'd like to take a moment to appreciate the guy who gave me 3 stars on a review of my app, with a "does not work" type of comment. His standards for star-ratings must be very, very, very low. Dec 23 14:57:23 =) Dec 23 14:57:27 Famic_: probably want to leave them in the list, so that when those patches are updated for the new version, preware will detect that you used to have them, and install them again Dec 23 15:01:15 EricBlade1a: am I not going to end up with some broken files if I don't make a clean webos update at some point ? Dec 23 15:03:11 well, anything's possible, i guess, but the patch system is designed to withstand an over the air upgrade, for the most part, by just leaving all the patches marked as installed, so that when they get updated, they get reinstalled Dec 23 15:03:32 i think thisi s why each patch can only change one file Dec 23 15:11:20 EricBlade1: I see. Back to what you said before, preware is suggesting I update the patches already, but it doesn't work. I cannot either update nor remove the patches Dec 23 15:14:22 Famic_: try #webos-internals Dec 23 15:15:16 ok ty Dec 23 15:18:47 anyone else find it kind of amusing that RIM has put out a tutorial for how to convert Enyo apps to run on a blackberry? Most of it is "how to convert your Enyo back to straight HTML" Dec 23 15:23:41 i think it is interesting. will enyo be a viable framework for developing mobile apps or other platforms like ios and android? Dec 23 15:23:56 the issue right now is leagality, right? Dec 23 15:25:18 wondering if enyo would be a good base or prototyping framework before porting to other os' Dec 23 15:34:55 i don't see why not. especially if the Enyo capable Ares ever comes out and is even close to what I imagine Dec 23 15:35:22 other platforms are starting to come around to HTML being a reasonable presentation layer Dec 23 15:35:45 and Enyo makes it easy, even if the default theme is .. really.. really.. really bland. Dec 23 15:36:23 it's like someone from IBM themed it or something Dec 23 16:08:00 any good resources for mobile development Dec 23 16:28:14 EricBlade1: do you have a link to that tutorial? Dec 23 16:28:57 swisstomcat: what one Dec 23 16:29:16 (04:12:41 PM) EricBlade1: anyone else find it kind of amusing that RIM has put out a tutorial for how to convert Enyo apps to run on a blackberry? Most of it is "how to convert your Enyo back to straight HTML" Dec 23 16:31:02 http://t.co/mSNzGBe8 Dec 23 16:31:11 thx Dec 23 16:34:14 what an odd tutorial Dec 23 16:34:59 e.g enyo.Video: Use the HTML5 video element: (well, enyo.video is just a wrapper around the HTML5 video element) Dec 23 16:36:55 heh Dec 23 16:38:08 haha Dec 23 16:42:47 oilsworkn, i cant remember, how does one get an app's version in enyo? Dec 23 16:43:20 nm Dec 23 16:43:23 i see it in wirc Dec 23 16:43:34 engo.getAppInfo or something like that Dec 23 16:43:40 enyo.fetchAppInfo().version Dec 23 16:48:20 so, I've been using the veer, this phone is _slick_ Dec 23 16:49:01 ya, as much as i love pixi style, i could have switched to a veer has it come out on sprint Dec 23 16:49:34 I'm using a Simple Mobile sim card, to see if the veer will work for in the places I need it Dec 23 16:57:34 PuffTheMagic remember that fetchAppInfo on some phones returns the JSON rather than the object Dec 23 16:58:06 a string? Dec 23 16:58:48 well this is only for the TP right no so thats fine Dec 23 16:58:58 i will scale it to phones later Dec 23 16:59:02 but TP needs some terminal love Dec 23 16:59:22 any love I give is terminal Dec 23 16:59:57 what is in the future for webos Dec 23 17:00:21 beyond it becoming open source, who could say? Dec 23 17:00:27 the correct question is what is not in the future Dec 23 17:01:15 the past? Dec 23 17:01:47 yeah I don't think palm is coming back Dec 23 17:02:04 once it is open source will it be a viable framework, maybe talking about enyo, for other other os' Dec 23 17:02:11 maybe palm is what they'll name the division which governs webos opensource Dec 23 17:02:11 like ios and android Dec 23 17:02:26 enyo would probably work on other devices Dec 23 17:03:12 it was made for webkit Dec 23 17:05:28 isn't that what wrappers like phonegap use? Dec 23 17:10:00 mahjong is my new favorite toilet game Dec 23 17:10:14 no more freecell Dec 23 17:11:53 oilsworkn: i doubt they'll call it palm, but if they would, it'd be a great tribute Dec 23 17:12:39 oilsworkn: perhaps we should start a petition for that. shouldn't be that hard to convince all current 100 webos users to sign it ;-) Dec 23 17:12:47 lol Dec 23 17:13:41 why would they call the oss webos palm Dec 23 17:13:48 wouldnt it still be called webOS Dec 23 17:19:15 not the OS Dec 23 17:19:21 just the organization overseeing it Dec 23 17:20:47 so enyo+phonegap may be a viable mobile app development strategy? Dec 23 17:21:36 * oilsworkn has no clue Dec 23 17:22:20 visionary: yeah Dec 23 17:23:37 why would the oversight committee need a special name? Dec 23 17:24:56 PuffTheMagic: sometimes oversight is done by a not-for-profit entity, and that usually means it has to be separate from the company Dec 23 17:27:30 hello Dec 23 17:42:12 hello Dec 23 17:51:40 hello Dec 23 17:51:50 while we're renaming things, we should rename the OS "Pilot". Dec 23 17:52:18 since people still refer to handheld things with task managers as "palm pilots", not realizing that that was a brand and model designation Dec 23 18:04:38 http://gizmodo.com/5870440/best-buy-is-ruining-christmas Dec 23 18:07:27 I dunno Dec 23 18:07:37 I ordered a backordered clearance item, expecting not to get it Dec 23 18:07:44 instead I got a $15 gift card from them Dec 23 18:37:02 * EricBlade1 wonders why the "Dismiss" and "Snooze" buttons on the alarms are backwards on some versions Dec 23 18:48:52 summatusmentis: well? Dec 23 18:49:28 sugardave: lots of people complaining they can't find zite in the catalog.. is it geo restricted? Dec 23 18:49:46 hmmm, I don't think so Dec 23 18:50:02 I watched him submit it over skype and he picked all the catalogs Dec 23 18:51:55 hmm. this "Shooty" game in the beta cat is interesting. It uses a Pre as a controller, and can have up to 4 players. Dec 23 18:54:04 EricBlade1: touchpad is backwards Dec 23 18:54:08 from the phones Dec 23 18:54:36 dwc-: i had my three phones all set to go at the same time yesterday, and i noticed i think the 2.1 is backwards from the 1.4.5 and the 2.2.4 Dec 23 18:59:32 i found it easily Dec 23 18:59:48 is this sugardave's app? zite? Dec 23 19:00:04 It's Zite's app, but I brought it to webOS Dec 23 19:00:10 ah i see Dec 23 19:00:13 well it's awesome Dec 23 19:00:17 yeah :) Dec 23 19:02:02 sugardave: it looks slick, I wish it would import google reader Dec 23 19:02:23 but I recognize that's not the purpose Dec 23 19:02:56 summatusmentis: it's there in the ipad app, but due to miscommunication I thought it was broken so never put work into it....we have removed the google reader button from the initial setup Dec 23 19:03:12 fix it! Dec 23 19:03:18 (hoping I get a shot at an update to add it) Dec 23 19:03:38 it's definitely high on the list of "want to fix" Dec 23 19:04:37 that would be sweet Dec 23 19:06:19 I think 2.2 swapped to match 3, but I don't have the 3 around Dec 23 19:06:25 I thought 1.4 and 2 were the same though Dec 23 19:07:05 hey sugardave, I don't suppose you have contacts for the skype app? Dec 23 19:07:07 sugardave: what's the purpose of a separate "webview" browser? Dec 23 19:07:15 or, perhaps for 2.2.x on the veer? Dec 23 19:12:28 it was a requirement they have....best I can tell is that they don't have agreements with some of the content providers (for ads maybe) and so some stories get their chromed reader and others don't Dec 23 19:12:59 oh, that's sort of irritating Dec 23 19:13:02 dwc-: unfortunately, no Dec 23 19:13:03 meh Dec 23 19:13:52 what's funny is all of those stories WILL return wrapped in their chrome, I have to go out of my way to make it not be chromed Dec 23 19:13:53 dang. be ncie if they'd remove the carrier restrictions :( Dec 23 19:14:00 yea Dec 23 19:17:16 * summatusmentis nerds out over the veer Dec 23 19:18:04 dwc-: not sure what you pay now, but Simple Mobile works just fine on the veer, fwiw Dec 23 19:25:01 is that a ATT or TMobile reseller? ie, does 3G work? Dec 23 19:26:00 t-mobile reseller Dec 23 19:27:01 so, I get EDGE Dec 23 19:28:29 if I wasn't paying grandfathered dumbphone data, I'd probably switch Dec 23 19:28:44 $5/mo for unlimited EDGE Dec 23 19:28:48 what is the best mobile development ide? Dec 23 19:28:54 it's like you with your sprint SERO Dec 23 19:29:15 dwc-: indeed. As it stands now, Simple costs me the same as SERO Dec 23 19:29:25 and if I ever upgrade my SERO plan, that cost skyrockets Dec 23 19:29:30 s/plan/phone/ Dec 23 19:33:11 visionary: shrug, i use komodo ide Dec 23 19:33:33 * sugardave uses Sublime 2. Dec 23 19:33:51 visionary: if you don't mind the fact that its a little slow, eclipse is pretty good Dec 23 19:38:22 i'm a little slow , so eclipse it is Dec 23 19:38:58 people use IDEs? Dec 23 19:39:01 >_> Dec 23 19:39:17 summatusmentis: emacs or vi? :P Dec 23 19:39:22 invalidopcode: emacs! Dec 23 19:39:30 invalidopcode: I prefer vim :) Dec 23 19:39:37 fight fight fight Dec 23 19:39:41 hahaha Dec 23 19:39:46 :wq! Dec 23 19:39:51 LoL Dec 23 19:40:00 vi Dec 23 19:40:01 vim Dec 23 19:40:10 * sugardave is old. Dec 23 19:40:44 ewmacs. :( Dec 23 19:40:55 so eclipse, then download all the sdk's? ios, adndroid, webos? Dec 23 19:41:20 isn't ios development limited tosx machines? Dec 23 19:41:32 s/tosx/to osx/ Dec 23 19:41:38 I think so Dec 23 19:41:46 visionary: i don't know about ios, but you can download the android and webos sdks and a couple other 3rd party ones too Dec 23 19:42:13 ok Dec 23 19:42:18 the iOS SDK is limited to OS X machines Dec 23 19:42:32 madnificent: yes, unless you have enough patience to extract the sdk and configure it to barely work on linux Dec 23 19:42:43 i have an osx machine Dec 23 19:43:12 the iOS SDK also assumes(requires?) that you use XCode Dec 23 19:43:23 so eclipse for webos and android then Dec 23 19:44:11 downloading xcode 6 hours, 27 minutes remaining... Dec 23 19:44:43 visionary: heres the info for android in eclipse: http://developer.android.com/sdk/eclipse-adt.html and here's for webos: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_with_the_eclipse_ide.html Dec 23 19:44:46 grah! I got my veer's user-agent changed, but now google music is complaining about needing more offline storage Dec 23 19:44:51 invalidopcode: so theoretically, it's possible? Dec 23 19:45:02 madnificent: what? ios on linux? Dec 23 19:45:08 invalidopcode: yes Dec 23 19:45:51 any thoughts on http://www.lungojs.com/ Dec 23 19:46:40 madnificent: it was at one point http://www.saurik.com/id/4 Dec 23 19:47:41 next, how can i get free hardware ;) Dec 23 19:47:52 madnificent: i think its dead, but this used to have information on it too http://code.google.com/p/iphonedevonlinux/ Dec 23 19:48:12 visionary: you can't anymore, i think Dec 23 19:48:15 invalidopcode: ah cool Dec 23 19:48:21 i have a line on a pre 3 Dec 23 19:48:46 visionary: cool, you've had more luck than i then, i guess Dec 23 19:50:00 i guess simulators work Dec 23 19:50:20 xcode takes forever to download, even tho it's only 1.6gb Dec 23 20:02:44 'only' ? Dec 23 20:13:50 * EricBlade1 just deleted 60 gigs of junk on his hard drive Dec 23 20:14:10 * EricBlade1 still needs to locate another hundred gigs or so Dec 23 20:14:38 * madnificent has 60 gigs of hard drive Dec 23 20:15:16 i have a 60 gig spare installed here .. on one of these computers.. Dec 23 20:41:28 * EricBlade1 really wishes Chrome had decent infinite loop protection Dec 23 20:43:05 *mumblemuble* turing *mumble* complete *mumblemuble* Dec 23 20:46:56 I wonder if I can hook up a microusb<->usb<->SATA adapter daisychain to my touchpad Dec 23 20:47:22 and then mount any hard drive at will Dec 23 21:00:43 Giggity Dec 23 21:01:05 Brybry: As long as the USB hub you use in the middle is powered, then yes. Dec 23 21:01:25 You'd have to mount it from the command line, though Dec 23 21:06:08 well, until I wrote an app for it :3 Dec 23 21:29:54 looks like GVoice will cross the 1000 user mark on Christmas. woot Dec 23 21:31:52 congrats! Dec 23 21:40:43 awesome Dec 23 21:40:48 is it a paid app? Dec 23 21:41:52 yeah .. first mobile thing i've done without a team of 20 with me Dec 23 21:42:14 congrats then. Dec 23 21:42:23 1000 paid apps is a great thing Dec 23 21:54:50 hi guyz what is the voip app for touchpad Dec 23 21:55:24 there isn't one unfortunately Dec 23 21:55:34 other than skype Dec 23 21:55:56 hey EricBlade, i know your going to be quite bias, but are there any features that GVoice has that Voogle doesn't have? Dec 23 21:57:20 invalidopcode: :) i'm not terribly familiar with Voogle, when I started work on GVoice, there was no active development on Voogle . . but the only feature that i've heard is the ability to specify which of your configured phones to use to make calls with Dec 23 21:58:03 i'm not certain that voogle has a do-not-disturb switch either Dec 23 21:59:34 ok, cool. we'll i really need a google voice app for webos, so i might just be your 1000th user (or close to it) Dec 23 22:01:13 if you happen to be a phone user, you get the same app on phones as on touchpad too Dec 23 22:02:17 ah cool. in a touchpad-only user though, but thanks for the info Dec 23 22:02:24 *I'm Dec 23 22:05:34 i have some leftover promo codes for GVoice Pre, if anyone wants to check it out .. Dec 23 22:06:51 EricBlade: will they work for the touchpad version? Dec 23 22:07:21 EricBlade: nevermind, stupid question Dec 23 22:09:05 nah, it's for Pre and Pre+ users, since Pre2 and Pre3 can run the touchpad ver Dec 23 22:15:20 someone told me there is one in the google code, it is sindroid or somename i forgot it Dec 23 22:16:06 okay i found it , it is called sipdroid, it is for android Dec 23 23:04:40 what kinds of in-app advertising are available for webos? are there any? Dec 23 23:23:44 i attempted to do some digging around in that subject area, but wasn't able to really find anyone that supports webos. i think everyone i emailed said it wouldn't be a problem, but you'd have to write your own code for it Dec 23 23:23:49 except, obv, google Dec 23 23:26:27 i tried admob today and couldn't get it to work Dec 23 23:26:37 mayb w/ a little slight modification i could fix it up. idk. Dec 23 23:27:24 last i heard about admob, was that after they dropped official support, shortly after, they stopped serving ads to webos clients Dec 23 23:27:35 yeah that's the biggest issue Dec 23 23:28:10 it sucks. i was kinda really excited about the idea of putting an ad in like.. leodarts or wild'n free. that lasted about 2 hrs. Dec 23 23:35:53 fxspec06: couldn't you make a small webview and have it display ads from somewhere like a website does? Dec 23 23:36:58 you should be able to drive the whole process via xhr Dec 23 23:37:54 invalidopcode: it has to be a definitive url.. so hmm maybe. Dec 23 23:38:04 but the useragent needs to be ios or android. Dec 23 23:38:10 so in short, no Dec 23 23:38:24 ah, ok. nevermind then Dec 23 23:38:34 ya =| Dec 24 02:38:47 Happy Holidays! Dec 24 02:40:09 2 hous remaining on xcode Dec 24 02:40:16 download **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 24 02:59:57 2011