**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 25 02:59:57 2011
Dec 25 03:00:04 <PatrickC> hmm....
Dec 25 03:00:15 * PatrickC wonders why hes getting 'Cannot call method 'bindAsEventListener' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined' error....
Dec 25 03:12:11 <fxspec06> probably............... because you can't call methods of objects that don't exist.. or you can't call methods that are only methods of certain types of objects, when objects of that type and that id don't exist........
Dec 25 04:20:32 <Compn> dumb question... can you put apps on the 'just type' touchpad page ?
Dec 25 04:20:36 <Compn> like right on top of your wallpaper ?
Dec 25 04:21:47 <LarrySteeze> Compn: you mean like you would see in android?
Dec 25 04:22:08 <LarrySteeze> in webOS, you only put apps in the launcher
Dec 25 04:22:50 <Compn> yah android
Dec 25 04:23:16 <Compn> so nothing can be placed there ?
Dec 25 04:23:27 <Compn> what about putting more than 5 apps in the launcher ?
Dec 25 04:23:31 <LarrySteeze> not in it's current iteration
Dec 25 04:23:45 <LarrySteeze> more than 5 apps?
Dec 25 04:23:49 <LarrySteeze> you mean across?
Dec 25 04:24:00 <Compn> yes
Dec 25 04:24:25 <LarrySteeze> I'm not sure if a patch exists for that on the TP, but it does exist for that on the phones
Dec 25 04:24:37 <LarrySteeze> are you familiar with preware?
Dec 25 04:25:49 <LarrySteeze> I just checked for you, and I didn't see a patch for that, but if it's something that interests you, it's certainly a modification you could create
Dec 25 04:26:08 <Compn> i have ze preware installed ,yes
Dec 25 04:27:47 <Compn> yeah i installed the palm sdk and such. but being the holiday season i wont have time to play with it until january :P
Dec 25 04:27:56 <Compn> well thank you for looking :)
Dec 25 04:28:11 <Compn> http://www.webosnation.com/multi-layer-wave-launcher-could-have-been-1
Dec 25 04:28:15 <Compn> looks pretty interesting
Dec 25 04:28:47 <LarrySteeze> anyway, I was just checking in for a moment
Dec 25 04:29:01 <LarrySteeze> have a good night...and Merry Christmas/Happy Chanukah
Dec 25 04:35:31 <wrea> Have a good one LarrySteeze
Dec 25 05:07:22 <akanster> So much promise - http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/live-from-palms-ces-press-conference/
Dec 25 08:17:00 <trenchant> merry christmasssss
Dec 25 09:54:22 <PatrickC> hey guys
Dec 25 09:54:26 <PatrickC> Merry Christmas
Dec 25 11:21:14 <koo1> is the veer display too tiny for programming and ssh? the pre3 is too pricey:/
Dec 25 11:21:24 <koo1> oh, merry christmas, usa
Dec 25 12:17:16 <EricBlade1> merry christmas everyone :)
Dec 25 12:44:38 <trenchant> :)
Dec 25 13:27:05 <RichT23> Murry Xmass all
Dec 25 16:21:35 <fxspec06> merry christmas everyone!
Dec 25 16:58:32 <hotdp> fxspec06 you too
Dec 25 17:48:59 <enyoNewbie> Hello, I need help with my first enyo program.
Dec 25 17:49:50 <enyoNewbie> Should I post the code here, or pastebin it?
Dec 25 17:50:56 <EricBlade1> pastebin is a good option
Dec 25 17:51:02 <enyoNewbie> Okay.
Dec 25 17:51:03 <enyoNewbie> brb
Dec 25 17:53:15 <enyoNewbie> http://pastebin.com/zxwBi0tg
Dec 25 17:53:26 <enyoNewbie> http://pastebin.com/NeK0KhfB
Dec 25 17:57:11 <panel> hello
Dec 25 17:59:19 <EricBlade1> enyoNewbie: name: not name=
Dec 25 17:59:28 <enyoNewbie> Oh.
Dec 25 17:59:30 <enyoNewbie> Oops.
Dec 25 17:59:42 <enyoNewbie> I'm used to my main language: Lua.
Dec 25 18:00:25 <EricBlade1> also i think you want "new HelloWorld().renderInto(document.body)"
Dec 25 18:01:02 <EricBlade1> i don't know lua, it's probably something i should look into, considering that i'm a game developer by trade at the moment, but the fact that it's not C-like makes me shudder
Dec 25 18:01:22 <EricBlade1> no matter what language you're used to, JavaScript's syntax seems foreign
Dec 25 18:01:33 <enyoNewbie> Yeah...
Dec 25 18:01:48 <EricBlade1> it's like little bits of every language jammed together into some kind of unholy mess
Dec 25 18:01:49 <enyoNewbie> Especially ending with ;
Dec 25 18:01:59 <enyoNewbie> SO TRUE.
Dec 25 18:02:25 <EricBlade1> once you get used to it, though, it's not too bad.  there's definitely some interesting tricks that can be done
Dec 25 18:02:41 <enyoNewbie> I ran that, with HelloWorld() and name: "HelloWorld"
Dec 25 18:02:46 <enyoNewbie> And it still doesn't work.
Dec 25 18:03:05 <EricBlade1> are you running this in Chrome, or on an emulator, or on a device
Dec 25 18:03:19 <enyoNewbie> Chrome.
Dec 25 18:03:48 <EricBlade1> ctrl-shift-J for the Javascript debugger, and have a look at the console. anything interesting?
Dec 25 18:04:28 <enyoNewbie> Uncaught ReferenceError: HelloWorld is not defined. (index.html:9)
Dec 25 18:05:03 <EricBlade1> if there's not a prior error to that, check your depends.js to make sure that your source file is listed
Dec 25 18:05:39 <invalidopcode1> Merry Christmas everyone! (Unless you don't celebrate Christmas, then happy holidays!)
Dec 25 18:07:35 <enyoNewbie> HelloWorld.js has an error at line 4.
Dec 25 18:07:52 <enyoNewbie> I don't know what it means.
Dec 25 18:08:27 <EricBlade> i don't either until i see the error :)
Dec 25 18:08:58 <EricBlade> oh, you need commas in between your array elements .. name: "HelloWorld", kind: "...
Dec 25 18:09:07 <enyoNewbie> Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected identifer
Dec 25 18:09:13 <enyoNewbie> Oh.
Dec 25 18:09:18 <enyoNewbie> I'll try that.
Dec 25 18:10:52 <EricBlade> enyoNewbie: http://webos101.com/Enyo
Dec 25 18:16:16 <enyoNewbie> 214 Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [RowGroup] ???
Dec 25 18:16:19 <enyoNewbie> What?
Dec 25 18:16:39 <enyoNewbie> That's in enyo-build.
Dec 25 18:56:17 <Jef91> where does webos store downloaded .ipk files at on the touchpad?
Dec 25 19:01:42 <dwc-> ipks are not stored on the touchpad after installation
Dec 25 19:02:22 <hotdp> Jef91: and dont submit em for some warez
Dec 25 19:03:03 <Jef91> Yea... but if I own the software on my touchpad
Dec 25 19:03:09 <Jef91> I'd like to transfer it to my n900
Dec 25 19:03:12 <Jef91> to use as well
Dec 25 19:03:29 <dwc-> I'd hope a guy leading a linux distro wouldn't be distributing pirated goods
Dec 25 19:04:00 <Jef91> or even just use it under Debian on the same touch pad
Dec 25 19:05:23 <dwc-> huh. HP really needs to fix their EULA
Dec 25 19:06:02 <Jef91> whys that?
Dec 25 19:06:06 <dwc-> I assume they don't mean to restrict you from using an app on both a phone and a touchpad
Dec 25 19:06:32 <dwc-> "Each Application is licensed for use only for a single HP webOS account, and you may not distribute or make the Application available over a network or for use with multiple devices."
Dec 25 19:07:17 <Jef91> ffs
Dec 25 19:07:18 <Jef91> really?
Dec 25 19:07:46 <Jef91> this is why closed source software is SUPER bad
Dec 25 19:07:59 <dwc-> this has nothing to do with closed or open source
Dec 25 19:08:03 <Jef91> well, do you know where installed app data is stored on webos?
Dec 25 19:08:24 <Jef91> cause using debian on the touchpad
Dec 25 19:08:28 <dwc-> but this is dated prior to the touchpad release, so my assumption is that wasn't considered
Dec 25 19:08:39 <dwc-> at the time it was written, but IANAL
Dec 25 19:11:39 <Jef91> found it - /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications
Dec 25 19:14:28 <Compn> Jef91 : lol @ people who dont understand first sale laws in the usa
Dec 25 19:14:52 <Compn> hp store can make all the terms of service it wants, but that dont mean anything in a court of law :D
Dec 25 19:44:30 <Compn> good question
Dec 25 19:44:37 <Compn> does enabling beats audio affect cpu usage ?
Dec 25 19:45:00 <Compn> in the touchpad
Dec 25 20:59:46 <enyoNewbie> Hello.
Dec 25 22:19:21 <enyoNewbie> Hey, I have a problem. What should I do for Company stuff on palm.developer since I'm a solo developer?
Dec 25 22:20:27 <akanster> your name works
Dec 25 22:20:45 <akanster> or you can create a company name
Dec 25 22:30:44 <Brybry> get a bluetooth keyboard for christmas: notice that sdlterminal doesn't handle all of the keys correctly (arrow keys and control ._.)
Dec 25 22:30:51 <Brybry> more work to do :D
Dec 25 22:52:27 <enyoNewbie> With this code: enyo.kind({kind:"RowGroup", name:"Group", style: "width: 500", caption:"Type here!", components:[{kind: "Input", name:"Group", hint: "Type here."}]}) I get an error. I tried using a normal Group, but whenever I use it, I get the error: "Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [RowGroup]". Why?
Dec 25 22:53:07 <enyoNewbie> Oops, I forgot to type the "px" in the style, but that's not the error currently.
Dec 25 22:55:20 <invalidopcode> enyoNewbie: it would be much nicer if you could use a service like pastebin so people could examine the code more easily
Dec 25 22:55:28 <enyoNewbie> Sorry.
Dec 25 22:55:54 <enyoNewbie> Should I create a pastebin now?
Dec 25 22:57:50 <enyoNewbie> http://pastebin.com/VQ60J8Tq
Dec 25 22:58:32 <enyoNewbie> Invalidopcode: There :)
Dec 25 23:00:49 <enyoNewbie> Anything wrong?
Dec 25 23:05:20 <enyoNewbie> Anyone? I need a tad bit o help.
Dec 25 23:05:26 <enyoNewbie> http://pastebin.com/VQ60J8Tq
Dec 25 23:05:42 <enyoNewbie> Errors with Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [RowGroup]
Dec 25 23:09:04 <invalidopcode> enyoNewbie: where are you getting that error? in Chrome?
Dec 25 23:10:12 <enyoNewbie> Yes.
Dec 25 23:10:43 <invalidopcode> ah
Dec 25 23:11:23 <enyoNewbie> What does that mean?
Dec 25 23:11:30 <invalidopcode> enyoNewbie: did you make sure the enyo framework path in your index.html is set correctly?
Dec 25 23:11:40 <enyoNewbie> Yes.
Dec 25 23:12:00 <enyoNewbie> If I remove the RowGroup and have just an input, the input appears.
Dec 25 23:12:08 <invalidopcode> ah ok
Dec 25 23:12:49 <enyoNewbie> So, see anything wrong?
Dec 25 23:15:02 <invalidopcode> enyoNewbie: no, and thats what's weird
Dec 25 23:15:45 <invalidopcode> tho, im not that experienced so i could be missing something really obvious
Dec 25 23:16:15 <enyoNewbie> Hm...
Dec 25 23:17:44 <invalidopcode> wait, just the heck of it, did you try replacing RowGroup with enyo.RowGroup?
Dec 25 23:17:51 <enyoNewbie> No.
Dec 25 23:17:52 <enyoNewbie> I'll try.
Dec 25 23:17:59 <invalidopcode> without the parentases
Dec 25 23:18:57 <enyoNewbie> With and without, it doesn't work.
Dec 25 23:19:04 <enyoNewbie> I have an idea.
Dec 25 23:19:15 <enyoNewbie> If I run the example code, it should work.
Dec 25 23:19:22 <enyoNewbie> If not, it's a problem with my installation.
Dec 25 23:19:55 <invalidopcode> good idea
Dec 25 23:20:07 <enyoNewbie> Problem with the install.
Dec 25 23:20:15 <enyoNewbie> I'll try reinstalling the SDK.
Dec 25 23:20:26 <invalidopcode> btw i think there should be a semi colon at the end of the enyo.kind() function
Dec 25 23:21:57 <enyoNewbie> Still no, with the semicolon.
Dec 25 23:23:02 <enyoNewbie> Is there any problems with 32 bit SDKs?
Dec 25 23:24:50 <invalidopcode> idk, but you code runs fine on my machine
Dec 25 23:25:20 <enyoNewbie> I'll run it in the emulator. After it finishes installing.
Dec 25 23:25:45 <invalidopcode> ok sounds good
Dec 25 23:27:59 <enyoNewbie> Doesn't work.
Dec 25 23:28:21 <enyoNewbie> Maybe if i test on my real device...
Dec 25 23:28:25 <enyoNewbie> brb
Dec 25 23:33:50 <enyoNewbie> My TouchPad is not registering on my computer...
Dec 25 23:41:13 <invalidopcode> is the novacom service running?
Dec 25 23:42:04 <enyoNewbie> What is novacom?
Dec 25 23:42:12 <enyoNewbie> I just became a developer .-.
Dec 25 23:42:17 <enyoNewbie> (For webOs)
Dec 25 23:42:48 <invalidopcode> its the service that communicates with the webos device to install and debug apps and stuff
Dec 25 23:43:28 <invalidopcode> btw what platform are you on?
Dec 25 23:43:35 <enyoNewbie> Windows.,
Dec 25 23:43:45 <invalidopcode> ah ok
Dec 25 23:45:04 <enyoNewbie> Novacom is running.
Dec 25 23:45:11 <enyoNewbie> And it's still not registering.
Dec 25 23:45:43 <invalidopcode> so when you say that the touchpad is not registering, could you expand on that? is windows not seeing it at all? is the touchpad recognizing that you plugged it in?
Dec 25 23:46:15 <enyoNewbie> The TouchPad is reconizing that it is plugged in, but when I use palm-install test.ipk
Dec 25 23:46:24 <enyoNewbie> It says "No devices found"
Dec 25 23:46:45 <halfhalo> is devmode on the device
Dec 25 23:46:47 <enyoNewbie> I went into my computer and it says that it's a removeable storage device.
Dec 25 23:46:50 <enyoNewbie> No.
Dec 25 23:46:52 <enyoNewbie> It is not.
Dec 25 23:46:56 <enyoNewbie> Is that required?
Dec 25 23:47:02 <halfhalo> yup
Dec 25 23:47:07 <invalidopcode> halfhalo: good thinking, enyoNewbie: yes it is
Dec 25 23:47:18 <enyoNewbie> Brb, getting my dev'd up Palm Pre.
Dec 25 23:48:55 <enyoNewbie> ...
Dec 25 23:48:59 <enyoNewbie> It's dead.
Dec 25 23:49:18 <invalidopcode> enyoNewbie: why not just put your touchpad into dev mode?
Dec 25 23:49:24 <enyoNewbie> I don't remember how.
Dec 25 23:49:25 <enyoNewbie> >->
Dec 25 23:49:29 <enyoNewbie> Can you walk me through it?
Dec 25 23:49:33 <enyoNewbie> Or should I google it?
Dec 25 23:49:52 <invalidopcode> i think you just enter like webos06062009 in the just type bar?
Dec 25 23:50:09 <invalidopcode> i think i might be wrong about that code, but its something similar
Dec 25 23:50:47 <dwc-> upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Dec 25 23:50:51 <dwc-> ... or webos20090606
Dec 25 23:53:50 <enyoNewbie> Okay.
Dec 25 23:53:53 <panel> bye, have to go sleep
Dec 25 23:53:54 <enyoNewbie> It's in dev mode.
Dec 25 23:54:40 <enyoNewbie> But now it's having problems with the error "Reply: file open failed"
Dec 25 23:54:46 <enyoNewbie> ):
Dec 25 23:58:48 <invalidopcode> enyoNewbie: I think it just doesn't like you. did you do something bad to it? :P
Dec 25 23:59:58 <enyoNewbie> I figured it out :3
Dec 26 00:00:08 <enyoNewbie> It was in USB mode.
Dec 26 00:00:14 <enyoNewbie> I had to set it to Just Charge.
Dec 26 00:01:14 <invalidopcode> cool haha
Dec 26 00:02:22 <enyoNewbie> Where is the enyo framework on the device?
Dec 26 00:02:37 <enyoNewbie> Is it the same as your machine?
Dec 26 00:03:51 <invalidopcode> if you trying to edit it in the index.html, it doesn't matter because iirc webos automatically sets it
Dec 26 00:04:32 <enyoNewbie> Yes! It works! :D
Dec 26 00:05:21 <invalidopcode> congradulations
Dec 26 00:05:27 <enyoNewbie> Thanks for all your help. I guess I'll just have to test the dumb things on my TouchPad...
Dec 26 00:06:55 <invalidopcode> your welcome. you can play around with chrome still you might have missed something, but testing on device is probably best anyway because thats the environment it will be running in anyway
Dec 26 00:07:44 <enyoNewbie> Well, I'm gonna go. Cya around :3
Dec 26 01:09:42 <enyoNewbie> Hello, I have a problem. I have created an Image Button, and I want to keep the image when it's clicked.
Dec 26 01:09:53 <enyoNewbie> Is there a way to do that?
Dec 26 01:10:00 <fxspec06> what do you mean, "keep the image" ?
Dec 26 01:10:18 <fxspec06> you can create an image instead of a button, and specify an 'onclick' function for the image.
Dec 26 01:10:20 <enyoNewbie> When I click on the button, it dissapears.
Dec 26 01:10:30 <fxspec06> i do believe this is what you want
Dec 26 01:10:33 <abramovich>  should be written in php and html so crap: it prompts the user to choose a favorite genre of music, sent to the server, and depending on the choice provided a list of groups belonging to this genre. creative job so to speak, so the database can not connect.'s something like this. he is now reasonable to think nothing can not
Dec 26 01:11:14 <enyoNewbie> Thanks.
Dec 26 01:11:19 <fxspec06> { kind: enyo.Image, src: "images/myImage1.png", onclick: "doSomethingIncredible()" }
Dec 26 01:11:42 <enyoNewbie> Thanks.
Dec 26 01:13:06 <sugardave> onclick: "doSomethingIcredible"   --- no internal () on that
Dec 26 01:14:24 <fxspec06> there you go
Dec 26 01:14:41 <fxspec06> ty sugardave =) merry christmas
Dec 26 01:15:57 <sugardave> merry christmas!
Dec 26 01:16:29 <abramovich> С Новым Годом, блин -_-
Dec 26 02:02:15 <Tibfib_> meeeewwwwwwyyyy christmas
Dec 26 02:53:37 <enyoNewbie> I'm having a problem again >->
Dec 26 02:53:50 <enyoNewbie> How do you center an image?
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