**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 29 02:59:57 2011 Dec 29 05:49:23 LOL you guys see rumors that HP wanted $1.2B for webOS/palm in the second half of 2011? Dec 29 05:49:39 they bought them for $1.2B, drove them into the ground, proved they can't sell for shit, then asked the same price Dec 29 05:50:25 well, they were probably asking that, expecting a lower offer Dec 29 05:50:49 wrea: asking that in the first place is absolutely laughable Dec 29 05:51:01 palm's value now must be 1/3 of what it was when they bought it Dec 29 05:51:06 better to ask high and get lower, than ask low and get lower Dec 29 05:51:09 .... Dec 29 05:51:10 dude Dec 29 05:51:26 when you're dealing with facebook and amazon, you're going to get laughed out of the room, which is exactly what happened according to all reports Dec 29 05:51:52 Tommy, is there a point to this? Dec 29 05:52:00 if you bought a toyota corolla for $19,000 and used it for 6 years, it had 80,000 miles on it, and you tried asking $19,000 for it, no one would take you seriously and you'd never sell it Dec 29 05:52:19 ka6sox-away: is there a point to anything here? webOS isn't open source yet, nor is it being put on devices Dec 29 05:52:23 Tommy, different thing...and you know it. Dec 29 05:52:26 ka6sox-away, to troll, of course Dec 29 05:52:27 i thought this was to talk about webOS, that's the entire point to this channel Dec 29 05:52:31 nope Dec 29 05:52:34 read the topic Dec 29 05:52:41 webOS development, learn to read Dec 29 05:52:46 ka6sox-away: how is it different? as value goes down, and the value of palm certainly did, you don't ask the same price Dec 29 05:52:53 man, you guys should make #webos-dev or something Dec 29 05:53:06 and you should learn to read Dec 29 05:53:13 need a #webos-trolls too Dec 29 05:53:22 yup Dec 29 05:53:39 oh i'm sorry, ##iphone talks about the iphone, not iphone dev, that's ##iphone-dev Dec 29 05:53:46 #android talks about android, not android dev, that's #android-dev Dec 29 05:54:00 so? obviously, webos is different Dec 29 05:54:02 i guess webOS doesn't have enough interest to spread between a few channels Dec 29 05:54:13 (then again, there's no windows phone 7 channel on freenode D:) Dec 29 05:56:28 it's clearly the lack of market-share that drove the decision initially to make #webos the dev channel Dec 29 05:56:31 from my experience, #android-dev is a place to avoid. Dec 29 06:07:14 as is #webos when the trolls are about Dec 29 06:08:15 hi. can we talk about how shitty the platform you all use is? I mean, it's really bad right? lolol Dec 29 06:08:59 rrix: yeah, *every* *single* *time* he's here Dec 29 06:09:04 Yup Dec 29 06:09:09 I've seen him before Dec 29 06:09:19 rrix: oh, it dates back years Dec 29 06:09:32 lol, I'm not surprised Dec 29 06:10:29 hey! my pre3 should be going thru the post at the moment! Dec 29 06:10:41 grrr, my laptop fan is off balance or something Dec 29 06:11:01 you ready for a guy who hates css? Dec 29 06:11:51 rrix, add some oil Dec 29 06:12:15 koo7: that involves shutting it down and killing the build that's been keeping the fan running until it's off balance :P Dec 29 06:13:48 do or die, cpu Dec 29 06:16:55 lol Dec 29 06:22:26 well.... Dec 29 06:22:41 just installed wirc Dec 29 06:23:15 +1 Dec 29 06:23:30 lol Dec 29 06:23:57 so now what? Dec 29 06:24:22 now what what? Dec 29 06:24:26 launch it? :P Dec 29 06:24:50 use it to spread your boundless knowledge throughout the internets Dec 29 06:25:11 lol Dec 29 06:26:07 well I got this brick for xmas.... Dec 29 06:26:46 sell it on ebay Dec 29 06:27:29 you know what bricks are good for? throwing through windows Dec 29 06:27:39 I figured. Dec 29 06:27:39 * dwc- nods sagely Dec 29 06:27:40 dwc-: I see what you did there Dec 29 06:27:56 lol Dec 29 06:27:59 for how much ? 50 bucks.... Dec 29 06:28:04 you did not! it was dark! Dec 29 06:28:07 what brick? Dec 29 06:28:10 samthewildone: I'll offer you $20 Dec 29 06:28:14 i am confused Dec 29 06:28:16 lol Dec 29 06:28:26 30 Dec 29 06:28:27 are you talking about a webos device? Dec 29 06:28:30 samthewildone: done Dec 29 06:28:53 that will be 30 million pounds of weed Dec 29 06:28:58 samthewildone, should have traded for his Opal Dec 29 06:29:05 ... Dec 29 06:29:25 hmmm Dec 29 06:29:40 so 3.0.5 is a myth right? Dec 29 06:29:55 bye-bye Dec 29 06:29:59 opps Dec 29 06:30:03 cards Dec 29 06:30:03 3.0.5 is as mythical as the opal Dec 29 06:30:28 I forgot about how the cards work on webos Dec 29 06:34:43 updates Dec 29 06:49:18 updates, get ya updates! Dec 29 06:50:17 an update for you, and an update for you.. Dec 29 07:05:59 fxspec06: i agree, #android-dev is pretty useless unless you want to learn basic java for the first time -_- Dec 29 07:06:51 and rwhitby why u gotta hate? i don't troll THAT much. Dec 29 07:07:01 Thats all you do here Dec 29 07:07:09 and regardless if i'm trollin or not, i haven't seen anything productive go on in this channel, ever Dec 29 07:07:39 scroll through the logs sometime, tell me how much development actually gets discussed... so what am i really preventing Dec 29 07:14:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE Dec 29 07:17:35 +1 Dec 29 07:40:57 hey.. Dec 29 07:41:18 i have made n app. in mojo a file storage app. Dec 29 07:41:57 now in assistant i have 4 .js files Dec 29 07:42:25 is it possible to replace 1 file .js with the same file in enyo framework??? Dec 29 10:21:33 has anyone had the issue of the create function being called twice? Dec 29 12:14:31 hey.. Dec 29 12:14:47 I have made n app. in mojo(it stores file name and its data into a databse). Dec 29 12:14:55 now in assistant i have like four .js files Dec 29 12:15:10 Is it possible to replace any.js file(mojo) with the same file in enyo framework??? Dec 29 12:15:34 dbs: have you done the enyo tutorials on developer.palm.com ? Dec 29 12:15:50 yes Dec 29 12:16:49 where is your code posted for review? Dec 29 12:17:08 do you have a repo on github or something? Dec 29 12:17:21 which code..? Dec 29 12:17:30 the code you are asking about Dec 29 12:17:56 ok ill give u.. Dec 29 12:19:16 http://pastie.org/3089865 Dec 29 12:19:24 its in enyo.. Dec 29 12:20:11 i have to replace this file in assistant folder of my app that is made in mojo Dec 29 12:20:30 why? Dec 29 12:20:49 coz i have to run it in touch pad Dec 29 12:21:15 you can run either mojo or enyo on a touchpad - you are not forced to use one or the other Dec 29 12:26:07 @rwitby any sugesstions for the same..? Dec 29 12:26:57 dbs: I still don't understand what you are asking. Dec 29 12:27:33 in mojo app we have a assistant folder in which we have .js files.. Dec 29 12:27:33 usually, one will write an app either in mojo or enyo. why do you want to mix the two? Dec 29 12:28:00 coz i am done with the whole app in mojo Dec 29 12:29:07 then I suspect you will be waiting some time for an answer, cause I have not seen a mixed app. Dec 29 12:35:40 @rwitby sorry just my damn net connection Dec 29 12:36:06 n ya i want to mix .js files of mojo n enyo Dec 29 12:37:43 in the assistant folder i have like 4 .js files ..want to replace by this .js in enyo Dec 29 12:38:32 possible? Dec 29 12:41:32 Why would you want to do this? Dec 29 12:41:41 Mojo works just fine on the touchpad Dec 29 12:41:52 rrix..coz i have my app in mojo Dec 29 12:42:01 Mojo works just fine on the touchpad Dec 29 12:42:12 no DB part have some problem i guess.. Dec 29 12:42:22 its jst not working properly Dec 29 12:42:34 Frankly, it's all-or-nothing with regards to frameworks, you'd have to rewrite everything in Enyo Dec 29 12:43:22 means mixing is not possible then...shit man:-) Dec 29 12:43:26 :-( Dec 29 12:44:10 The DB stuff should carry over just fine; I'd debug that instead of rewriting everything. Dec 29 12:45:15 ya would try that only..if it wil work ..well and good Dec 29 12:45:55 rrix thanx anyways.. Dec 29 16:20:58 so it seems webos might have a life… since hp will be building tablets? Dec 29 16:25:18 * EricBlade1 laughs at "247wallst.com"'s suggestion that HTC should buy Nokia Dec 29 16:25:55 last time I looked, HTC complete value was less than 1/8th what it would cost to buy Nokia, if Nokia were for sale Dec 29 17:01:30 anyone intrested in purchasing a palm pre- motherboard? Dec 29 17:01:41 i have a couple well of them Dec 29 17:19:00 * oilsworkn didn't vote for any of the winners in precentrals thing :/ Dec 29 17:20:53 9000 votes? is that 9000 total or 9000 on each category Dec 29 17:22:56 probably total Dec 29 17:23:15 yea, that sounds more likely Dec 29 17:43:14 i didn't vote for many of the winners Dec 29 17:43:42 well that's wrong. internalz pro i voted for Dec 29 17:44:36 voogle 3.0 got nominated but didn't win Dec 29 18:04:10 hello, im not making an app and im using a touchpad but, how do I see the files of a device im connected with bluetooth, i have internalz pro and preware Dec 29 18:04:46 .. you mean like between two touchpads? Dec 29 18:05:59 yes, two touchpads atleast maybe a phone or so Dec 29 18:06:19 they don't have a built in method for file sharing via bluetooth Dec 29 18:06:48 how can I make one? Dec 29 18:07:16 well i know how to get files sent in from something else it puts them in /tmp Dec 29 18:14:14 fxspec06: i was hoping for an "ugliest app of all time" award Dec 29 18:14:19 i would've won Dec 29 18:14:51 Aliv3: hmm. i don't know if there's some way to somehow take advantage of what little built in support there -is-, but you could write a Bluetooth SPP app that transfers the files Dec 29 18:23:25 i wish TouchPad Skype could share pictures Dec 29 18:23:51 whats SPP and alright i have program expiriences but not with webos.. i installed sdk/pdk what next Dec 29 18:24:28 SPP is the bluetooth service that allows you to share generic data as if it were an old school Serial Port Dec 29 18:25:13 There's a sample SPP program in... umm.. Dec 29 18:26:15 in your SDK folder, enyo\1.0\support\more-examples\BluetoothSPPGPS Dec 29 18:29:12 alls i have is novacomd and terminal Dec 29 18:29:34 All I have is* Dec 29 18:34:02 i also have it in c:\program files (x86)\hp webos\sdk\share\samplecode\enyo\more-examples Dec 29 18:35:04 Hi, I'm trying to write a synergy plugin, and have no idea how to do custom configuration (ie server address), and even less how to access it Dec 29 18:35:17 any pointers please? Dec 29 18:48:01 sory disconnected what Dec 29 19:04:55 Serafean: you may have noticed a significant lack of existing synergy plugins from which to draw information. what service are you connecting to? Dec 29 19:07:19 my -guess- would be that you would need to access the db8 database to store things in. but i'm utterly clueless there Dec 29 19:08:54 it can't be too hard Dec 29 19:09:00 i have just never attempted it Dec 29 19:09:20 neither has quite literally anyone else (regards to synergy plugins) Dec 29 19:09:44 i'm really curious about the picture on the front page of webosnation showing Twitter in Synergy Dec 29 19:11:24 mm yeah me too Dec 29 19:11:44 i would like some more themes for the touchpad. Dec 29 19:11:53 i'm getting kinda bored w/ it tbh Dec 29 19:12:08 and i have a million apps Dec 29 19:12:17 you have Flickr Mundo HD ? Dec 29 19:12:18 i really want a launcher page organizer Dec 29 19:12:37 nope what's that Dec 29 19:13:17 hmm looks like a huge mojo app. Dec 29 19:13:45 i'd like to have an enyo control that does auto "zoom-to-fit" Dec 29 19:14:28 usage should be similar to scroller, so i just replace the enyo.Scoller with "AutoZoom" Dec 29 19:14:48 as the scroller can determine the content size, i think this should be possible Dec 29 19:15:17 so perhaps someone already did this? :) Dec 29 19:15:18 fxspec06: Flickr Mundo is an awesome flickr app. i have it set to download 60 images a day, and switch them on my wallpaper every 15 minutes Dec 29 19:15:37 EricBlade: trying to hack on a Carddav service I found Dec 29 19:15:43 "cleaning it up" Dec 29 19:15:49 stbuehler: hmm. well, i just wrote a custom FadeScroller that can psuedo-scroll to a specific element in a list inside it Dec 29 19:16:03 hmm cool. i have switcharoo but i just select all categories and keep hitting 'switch now' until i find one i like Dec 29 19:16:06 DB8 you say? Dec 29 19:16:15 damn another 5* review for wild'n HD Dec 29 19:16:20 19 / 30 Dec 29 19:16:33 for config too? I thought it was only for retrieved data Dec 29 19:17:03 i'm outside of my comfort zone talking about services and db8 Dec 29 19:17:47 i would love to chitchat but i haven't done any DB8 work at all Dec 29 19:18:07 ok Dec 29 19:19:05 in that case, any idea where could I get the source to the imap/pop services?(for some copy/paste) Dec 29 19:19:31 if you have the sdk Dec 29 19:19:42 you can look in the sample apps.. Dec 29 19:20:47 Serafean: maybe https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/synergy/account-manager.html might help Dec 29 19:21:41 my brain is not very sharp right now Dec 29 19:21:45 long night Dec 29 19:22:00 hello private bus :D Dec 29 19:22:17 hello, Brybry Dec 29 19:22:31 EricBlade: Yes! Thanks, thats where config data should apparently go Dec 29 19:22:34 "caching of credentials and configuration data on the device" Dec 29 19:24:31 i'm trying to figure out why these buttons work on the pad and not on the pre3 or veer Dec 29 19:25:17 and. also how to capture back gesture manually Dec 29 19:26:16 http://pastebin.com/WncLyE2D just have to figure out how to do calls that subscribe to notifications =/ Dec 29 19:27:25 ooooh Ben just mentioned future support for webGL Dec 29 19:27:38 time to learn webGL Dec 29 19:27:41 lol Dec 29 19:28:43 can we get new webkit before we get webgl? Dec 29 19:28:47 oh, hey Dec 29 19:28:48 hmm Dec 29 19:29:02 * Brybry talks to himself Dec 29 19:29:09 hmm it seems touchstart and touchend events that work on the touchpad in native enyo are not working so well on the pre 3 / veer in non-native enyo Dec 29 19:29:26 old webkit?> Dec 29 19:29:37 hey new webkit would be nice, but... i'll take what i can get Dec 29 19:31:22 I'm no expert on the subject, but I would guess webGL would mean a new webkit (pure speculation) Dec 29 19:31:44 so, in hindsight, integrating a liblunaservice 'client' into sdlterminal's existing mainloop was not that hard (with PDK included) Dec 29 19:31:56 looks like mousedown and mouseup is the way to go in that regards. Dec 29 19:34:56 so now i need to capture a back gesture. sugardave: how would i go about doing suck without using an enyo layout? i.e. i need to build a component that captures back gesture and calls a function in non-enyo javascript and i'm having problems. any ideas? Dec 29 19:37:11 * oilsworkn imagines sugardave hearing your question and quickly running to a phonebooth (or handicapped bathroom stall) to change into superdave Dec 29 19:38:40 lmfao Dec 29 19:40:44 haha...hang on a minute and I can think about this Dec 29 19:41:59 translation: he forgot to take his shoes off before trying to get into his tights, and now he is stuck in a very awkward position Dec 29 19:42:07 okay thanks. i appreciate it Dec 29 19:48:07 so, no Enyo at all, just straight js? Dec 29 19:48:31 as long as you aren't using an enyo.WebView or the actual web browser, you should be able to pick up touchstart and touchend Dec 29 19:49:12 i do load enyo, and i built a component to set the screen orientation. but application events "onBack" isn't working. i'll do a pastebin Dec 29 19:50:28 gaah 3.0.4 is annoying. media components just stop working for no good reason Dec 29 19:51:06 http://pastebin.com/aHaXdtQM <<< i tried using enyo.Component and that didn't work, so then i thought maybe it was because i didn't "renderInto(document.body" so I used an invisible VFlexBox, and it made no difference. the log in 'create' shows, but application events aren't working. Dec 29 19:51:37 k Dec 29 19:52:33 onBack...is this supposed to be something we handle automatically? Dec 29 19:53:13 { kind: "ApplicationEvents", onBack: "doBack", onLoad: "onLoad", onApplicationRelaunched: "onRelaunch" }, Dec 29 19:53:13 works .. on phones, since touchpads don't have back Dec 29 19:53:15 yes, that's the gesture swipe back. triggerd by escape key in emulator or swipe back on phones. it works tested in voogle xl on my pre2 Dec 29 19:54:08 fxspec06: is this kind loaded in your active window or is it part of a headless one? Dec 29 19:54:39 active window Dec 29 19:55:04 hth do i get the "first use" app to run so i can connect to my palm profile Dec 29 19:55:18 oh i just doctored my phone Dec 29 19:55:31 it's a web app that loads enyo, in my onload function i call "var handleBack = new Back().renderInto(document.body);" Dec 29 19:55:49 hmmm, let me try something Dec 29 19:55:52 "noWindow": false, Dec 29 19:55:57 i really dndt mean to bybass actavation! Dec 29 19:56:11 never used it before so let's see if I can make it work Dec 29 19:56:15 k Dec 29 19:56:23 * fxspec06 eagerly awaits Dec 29 19:58:18 wth, every single one of my webOS devices is refusing to talk to my media server for more than a few seconds Dec 29 20:03:30 fxspec06: okay, I have it working in my Enyo app on the Pre3....I have it loading in an enyo.Component, though, which then handles rendering my actual Controls Dec 29 20:03:53 okay that works Dec 29 20:03:58 not sure if its of limit, but will opensource enyo allow me to have enyo apps running on other webkit based platforms ? Dec 29 20:04:02 you might need to have a Component, which then loads up your js app Dec 29 20:04:26 SimpsonTP: that is the idea Dec 29 20:04:50 but, you should just be able to load the component in your index.html and then run the rest of your js Dec 29 20:04:50 hmm so make a webview and load the page in that Dec 29 20:05:39 fxspec06: is this a local web app or loaded from....THE CLOUD? Dec 29 20:05:57 local, no clouds lo Dec 29 20:07:38 fxspec06: so, you don't need the webview, just load the component in your html before the rest of your app runs OR (and I like this one, personally) Dec 29 20:08:07 make a blank index.html that the app runs with a div some id, like "wrapper" Dec 29 20:08:44 yes that sounds very nice Dec 29 20:08:54 then use enyo.xhrGet to load the actual html you want and render the response into that wrapper div Dec 29 20:09:58 or that weird shit where you can set srcId on an enyo.Control and it will copy the esting source into that Control Dec 29 20:10:10 but at that point, you've moved into basically an Enyo app :) Dec 29 20:10:37 s/esting/existing/ Dec 29 20:10:45 hmm xhrget Dec 29 20:10:55 I use it to great effect in Zite Dec 29 20:11:12 it's how I load up their "base" HTML to kick off their js Dec 29 20:11:59 enyo.xhrGet takes an object {url: theUrl, load: the function to run on response} Dec 29 20:12:06 see that would make sense. it seems the whole app needs to be enyo-ized Dec 29 20:12:28 k Dec 29 20:31:57 ok, so, moving on to exhibition support in my app. i wonder if i just setup two identical windows to launch, one from exhibition, one from normal, will they get in each other's way Dec 29 20:32:41 okay interesting Dec 29 20:40:14 is luna-send available on linux ? Dec 29 20:47:05 ah never mind.... Dec 29 20:48:24 well this isn't looking good for trying the simple method Dec 29 20:49:19 EricBlade: you can use the same window Dec 29 20:50:34 well now i have it running in exhibition, with no way to close it Dec 29 20:50:54 you go out of exhibition to close it :) Dec 29 20:51:12 or deactivate I guess if it's the same as your app window Dec 29 20:51:47 yeah but it remains running, apparently, and i can't launch the regular app now Dec 29 20:52:01 ooooohhh, I know that problem, I think Dec 29 20:52:27 i probably need to implement onRelaunch Dec 29 20:52:37 yep Dec 29 20:52:53 I used an old example for mine and it's handled in the index.html Dec 29 20:53:25 i think i've got one version running in exhibition and a different version running normally. ugh. Dec 29 20:53:29 * EricBlade reboots Dec 29 20:53:48 EricBlade: http://pastebin.com/dkicB695 Dec 29 20:54:44 even if i do that sugardave, it's still not recognizing my back gesture it seems Dec 29 20:55:02 ok, now i've got the app apparently working but with no window Dec 29 20:55:42 fxspec06: but orientation changes work? Dec 29 20:56:10 right. the orientation is locked Dec 29 20:56:21 i got the xhrGet working Dec 29 20:56:32 but swipe back doesn't log anything Dec 29 20:56:42 what orientation lock is it? Dec 29 20:56:48 left Dec 29 20:56:53 landscape/ Dec 29 20:56:54 ? Dec 29 20:56:58 yeah Dec 29 20:57:44 hmm, can you share more code? Dec 29 20:57:54 (it's working in not-locked landscape on my phone) Dec 29 20:59:48 sugardave: "undefined is not a function" in the "ziteEnyo = enyo.application..." line Dec 29 21:00:07 i mean that was really it. there's not much else to it Dec 29 21:00:22 EricBlade: what can I say, my code is magic :P Dec 29 21:00:33 yeah and my typos are awesome too Dec 29 21:00:48 ok fixed that, and still getting no window at all Dec 29 21:01:23 in ZiteEnyo.startup is where I load my controlling Component, which loads the gui Controls, etc. Dec 29 21:01:41 just trying to get back gesture binded to a function and having no luck at all =( i must be missing something here Dec 29 21:01:46 ZiteEnyo is an enyo.Object, it creates the Component, rather Dec 29 21:02:20 fxspec06: does it work in a blank new app with just that enyo.ApplicationEvents kind? Dec 29 21:03:04 i would assume not. that's what i need Dec 29 21:03:09 are webworkers supported in enyo apps ? Dec 29 21:04:02 it would probably help if i specified the dockMode parameter when i'm actualyl in dockMode, and not when i'm not Dec 29 21:04:48 sugardave: the answer to that question is a definite 'no, it does not work' Dec 29 21:04:50 back Dec 29 21:05:14 ok, now i've got it, but there are definitely two completely difference instances of the same app Dec 29 21:05:31 OMG YAY YAY YAY! WEBOS 3.0.4 installed correctly! Dec 29 21:07:16 sugardave: ok, got it working, one app. but, it doesn't remember the exhibition selection, unless i have different window names, and therefore different instances of the app Dec 29 21:07:51 if i close the app, then it forgets the exhibition mode setting Dec 29 21:08:04 EricBlade: ah, that must be my issue then, cool :) Dec 29 21:08:25 the emulator wont let me drag up to close Dec 29 21:08:29 fxspec06: hmmm...does the back gesture work at all on that phone?! :) Dec 29 21:10:11 ok if i start exhibition first, then i can't launch the app Dec 29 21:11:15 lol ya it does Dec 29 21:11:25 i'm trying a new method that i don't expect to work Dec 29 21:11:41 otherwise i just get "Window already exists, activating it" Dec 29 21:14:33 so do i really need to write a seperate app then for exhibition mode :| Dec 29 21:18:01 no Dec 29 21:18:16 you need a different window, I guess Dec 29 21:18:44 any hint on my webworker question ? Dec 29 21:18:46 I have code that checks for forcing a new window when you activate it Dec 29 21:18:54 SimpsonTP: no web workers that I know of Dec 29 21:19:25 so how would I implement a background thread ? or is that not possible ? Dec 29 21:19:36 you can write a node.js service Dec 29 21:19:51 I was a bit afraid of that answer ;) Dec 29 21:19:53 but i only want one app instance :( wah Dec 29 21:20:18 EricBlade: you can open the same window with a different name Dec 29 21:20:37 yea but then i need to get both windows to talk to each other Dec 29 21:20:45 enyo.application namespace Dec 29 21:21:10 sugardave, webservices are basicly nonblocking right ? Dec 29 21:21:37 SimpsonTP: all of webOS except cookie operations (maybe localStorage?) are async/nonblocking Dec 29 21:21:46 yeah.. i guess i'll just write a seperate window that does different stuff in exhibition Dec 29 21:25:53 sugardave, okay, then i'm probably safe as well Dec 29 21:29:20 need to hack a app together for new years eve Dec 29 21:31:28 fxspec06: what about in chrome, does it work there? Dec 29 21:31:37 does back in chrome Dec 29 21:34:19 jeez. i'll need to write a seperate app that checks to see if the app is running, if so, communicate with and control it, if not, then do the stuff itself. Dec 29 21:34:26 i have a keycode question with the bluetooth keyboard: anyone know the codes for the arrow keys? Dec 29 21:34:39 EricBlade: that sounds wrong Dec 29 21:35:07 i know it sounds wrong, but i'm drawing a blank for how else to get a media player to work in exhibition properly Dec 29 21:35:54 have a "controller" object that's loaded by the headless app...it should be the main comms hub for all windows that then get launched from that Dec 29 21:36:22 yuck. Dec 29 21:36:35 and you use enyo.application as the application-wide "global" namespace Dec 29 21:37:19 i should've figured this out before writing the app ;) Dec 29 21:37:22 heh Dec 29 21:39:31 ok, so, say you do get a noWindow app running.. that doesn't open any windows. how do you close it? Dec 29 21:40:20 if it's the only window "open"/running, then window.close run in that window will exit it Dec 29 21:40:41 as a user? Dec 29 21:40:45 no Dec 29 21:40:50 users won't be able to close it Dec 29 21:41:09 let me look at my code where I do it Dec 29 21:41:17 answering my own question: left arrow = 12, right arow = 14 Dec 29 21:41:46 i can't seem to get this to work. i'm gonna try duplicating my app that DOES work, and then insert my game into there Dec 29 21:44:25 EricBlade: hmmm, I don't think I close it actually...just let the nowindow sit there. I used to have something that closed it but apparently I removed it because I don't care if it sits there doing nothing Dec 29 21:45:21 i was under the impression from somewhere, that when you actually do open a window, if the last one closes, then the nowindow app goes too Dec 29 21:45:52 hmmm....that seems familiar...gonna look for an older version of my testing code Dec 29 21:59:19 okay. somehow i've made an app that is blank and responds to back gesture Dec 29 21:59:25 EricBlade: duh, that's right...it's why I have that log in the unload function Dec 29 21:59:41 fxspec06: that's good! Dec 29 21:59:54 yes, now i need to find out why Dec 29 22:00:01 so, it does auto-unload if it's last window is closed, but it stays running, if it never opens a window? Dec 29 22:00:37 it would appear so Dec 29 22:02:16 it works as a component too. Dec 29 22:02:41 I wonder................. is Back a namespace variable Dec 29 22:02:43 Back Dec 29 22:02:56 o_O Dec 29 22:03:06 i'll kill myself Dec 29 22:07:15 oh hey Dec 29 22:07:20 i do believe Dec 29 22:07:21 that Dec 29 22:07:28 i resolved the problem. Dec 29 22:07:42 the problem was not including this line in create...... "this.inherited(arguments);" Dec 29 22:07:47 * fxspec06 fml Dec 29 22:08:27 but hey, it's working right? that's all that matters!!!!!!!! :D Dec 29 22:09:26 wah wah waaaaah Dec 29 22:09:54 yes, that was definitely the problem. REMEMBER KIDS, DON'T FORGET YOUR this.inherited(sdfgkhfdkiusduigsdfghsdfgh); IN YOUR CREATE METHOD OR YOU WILL FREAKING GO NUTZ WONDERING WHY YOUR PERFECT CODE DON'T WORK Dec 29 22:10:10 * fxspec06 cries in a corner Dec 29 22:10:25 =) Dec 29 22:15:12 p.s. thank you sugardave. i appreciate the help =) Dec 29 22:18:03 ok yeah i just tested this. if you open a window from a noWindow app, when it's closed, you will get a onUnload event from the ApplicationEvents, and its probably nice of you to window.close() then, but you will get force closed Dec 29 22:20:38 and if you never open a window, then you will keep running Dec 29 22:22:11 so if you close it yourself, the nonwindow closes Dec 29 22:22:24 but if it launches by itself the nonwindow never closes Dec 29 22:22:33 i.e. exhibition Dec 29 22:23:37 i know BG apps on a timer don't stay open Dec 29 22:23:44 they wait til javascript is finished Dec 29 22:27:31 it looks like exhibition app is never closed Dec 29 22:27:55 it isnt Dec 29 22:28:07 unless you switch to another exhibition app Dec 29 22:28:15 i was just about to check that Dec 29 22:29:09 i believe it hits the stageActivate/Deactivate event though Dec 29 22:29:22 so you can tell when your app is no longer actively running in dockmode Dec 29 22:30:04 no, changing exhibition app does not close Dec 29 22:30:57 changing, then leaving dockmode* Dec 29 22:31:27 ahhh Dec 29 22:31:31 ok that does stop it Dec 29 22:31:56