**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 30 02:59:57 2011 Dec 30 04:08:28 ios raelly sucks compared to webos :| Dec 30 04:09:04 i want to take all the photos on my ipod and upload them somewhere but i cant, unless they are in my camera roll Dec 30 04:11:01 yeah, but ios is fast, controlled, and fast. Dec 30 04:11:21 did i mention it's fast? oh and it has lots of apps. and fast. Dec 30 04:11:51 not really. mqybe on something better than my ipod Dec 30 04:11:52 plus like a zillion people use it Dec 30 04:12:25 i have to admit in all seriousness, the iphone 4 hardware is awesome. it's the best looking phone IMO Dec 30 04:12:30 * invalidopcode doesn't want to be an Apple sheep Dec 30 04:12:58 I am half tempted to pick up a 4s for siri. Dec 30 04:13:13 since it ties into wolphram alfa. Dec 30 04:13:16 and siri is tempting, as halfhalo has mentioned Dec 30 04:13:21 aka calculus solver Dec 30 04:13:58 Not willing to pay 800+ for it unlocked atm though. just gotta be happy with the random devices I have now Dec 30 04:14:02 siri is one of those features everyone will need to copy at one point. then people will scream "blah blah apple didn't invent it" and the apple fans will yell back "they didn't nobody said they did but they just did it tbe best" Dec 30 04:14:54 fxspec06: they'll sue everyone else over the patent for it though Dec 30 04:15:04 apple didn't invent it.... i built something similar to that in eighth grade :/ Dec 30 04:16:14 a zillion flies flock to poop too. Dec 30 04:20:01 ios defiitely does a lot of things well. but everything that webos has that it also has... is so mediocre Dec 30 04:20:58 iOS overuses the Home button for like everything, the multitasking in WebOS is much much nicer Dec 30 04:22:01 everyone ive handed my tablet to has figuredit out instantly, my ipod often confuses people Dec 30 04:24:29 it's not difficult to demonstrate a swipe up Dec 30 04:24:59 if you've used a touchscreen device before, you can figure out webos in a matter of seconds Dec 30 04:26:27 copy / paste i can see difficult, and knowing to swipe from top down for menus is learned habit Dec 30 04:26:43 no gestures to learn tho Dec 30 04:26:45 iphone meh Dec 30 04:29:30 okay. this looks really cool. http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/29/2669573/acer-iconia-tab-a700-first-pictures-leak-out-source-corroborates-1920 Dec 30 04:34:18 hdml out and bluetooth for key board... Dec 30 04:43:50 the menus dont rquire a swipe Dec 30 04:44:10 ive been having major keyboard difficulty since windexing my screen last night thoug Dec 30 04:46:01 they don't require a swipe, but it's more natural to swipe from the bezel. makes more sense. and easier than tapping Dec 30 04:46:31 i find myself always forgetting about the menu Dec 30 04:46:47 its sortof a windows 3.1 thing Dec 30 04:47:44 invalidopcode: you definitely didn't build something similar to Siri in 8th grade Dec 30 04:48:27 Siri has very sophisticated context recognition Dec 30 04:48:36 (based on WA, as halfhalo said) Dec 30 04:49:50 summatusmentis: why, don't you have faith in me? i had a system that could break down questions into various parts, then google the answer and put it back together in a human form Dec 30 04:50:58 WA is just an api backend, it doesn't do the recog stuff Dec 30 04:51:07 summatusmentis: you are right tho, i do overexaggerate, i just don't like apple software haha (their hardware isn't bad, just extremely overpriced) Dec 30 04:51:49 invalidopcode: you fail to recognize that 8th grade was not very long ago for some peoples Dec 30 04:51:51 halfhalo: the tech behind WA and the tech behind siri come from the same place. You're right that they're not directly interacting w/ WA for the recog Dec 30 04:52:17 invalidopcode: given that this all came out of a pretty long-term DARPA funded research project, I don't have that much faith in you :) Dec 30 04:52:44 EricBlade-TP: i know, it was only like 3 years ago for me :P Dec 30 04:53:27 summatusmentis: yeah :P Dec 30 04:54:20 still though, spoken language is too inefficient for me with computers. id rather say "call bob" then "siri, could you please call bob for me?" Dec 30 04:54:50 i think siri recognizes both Dec 30 04:54:54 pretty sure Dec 30 04:55:04 it does Dec 30 04:55:31 I just want to be able to say "what is the antiderivative of {foo}" and the like Dec 30 04:56:54 summatusmentis: ah, still either way, i don't like apple software :P Dec 30 04:57:18 invalidopcode: that's up to you, obviously. I personally feel that what Apple does, they do really, really well Dec 30 04:57:20 halfhalo: what would the answer to that be Dec 30 04:57:39 adn next to webOS, iOS is the best mobile OS out there (and likely my next phone) Dec 30 04:57:47 (again, in my opinion) Dec 30 04:57:49 or is that one of your 'not gonna give the answer' type deals Dec 30 04:58:24 '{foo}' is not something you can take the anti-derivative of :) Dec 30 04:58:25 summatusmentis: yeah, they do it well, i just don't like there philosphy of "simple and user friendly" plus i don't really like how closed they are either Dec 30 04:58:35 summatusmentis: i agree. Dec 30 04:58:37 summatusmentis: nooooooooooooooo.com Dec 30 04:58:54 but apple is communist. and you know what happens to commies... Dec 30 04:59:08 oil: obviously we'll see, if OSS webOS gets me what I want, I'll stick with that Dec 30 04:59:10 pitchforks? Dec 30 04:59:23 invalidopcode: why is "simple and user friendly" bad? Dec 30 04:59:39 invalidopcode: I will say, the closed-ness/vertical integration stuff bugs me Dec 30 05:00:08 at least you have more choices besides at&t now Dec 30 05:00:27 for iPhone? yeah, I'd stay on sprint with it Dec 30 05:00:30 yeah Dec 30 05:00:30 halfhalo: nerd. Dec 30 05:00:41 only because I have to be Dec 30 05:00:47 to pass calculus 2. Dec 30 05:00:50 lol Dec 30 05:00:50 * halfhalo hates calculus Dec 30 05:00:59 Cs get degrees Dec 30 05:01:09 C-'s don't Dec 30 05:01:15 i have a calc book in my closet. i still haven't read it yet. Dec 30 05:01:18 And guess what I managed to get in calculus 2! Dec 30 05:01:22 hey i failed trig three times, and im about to sign a lead developer contract Dec 30 05:01:28 F? Dec 30 05:01:32 D+ Dec 30 05:01:48 * fxspec06 got a B+ in trig. in jr. yr. in H.S. Dec 30 05:01:49 C-. Bleh Dec 30 05:02:03 summatusmentis: Its just a personal opinion. I'm one those people that uses ArchLinux because I like to have control over everything on my system. (im also a fan of like ham radios with tons and tons of buttons on the front :P) Dec 30 05:02:28 invalidopcode: fair enough, I spent a lot of time tinkering with linux when I was younger Dec 30 05:02:30 who doesn't love tons and tons of buttons on something Dec 30 05:02:39 I like things that get out of my way now Dec 30 05:02:45 is anybody watching the baylor game? insane. Dec 30 05:02:49 (but allow me to tinker if I need to) Dec 30 05:02:58 summatusmentis: ah haha ok, nice Dec 30 05:03:13 grad school doesn't really allow time for tinkering Dec 30 05:03:48 i spent a lot of time with linux when i was younger too.. but that was 20 years ago Dec 30 05:04:42 i think the touchpad is the first thing ive ever bootedit on that i didnt have to either write kernel patches or edit xconfig to get workimg Dec 30 05:04:57 I tried using linux as a desktop os. and then I installed windows and lived happily ever after on that computer Dec 30 05:05:02 along with a mac.' Dec 30 05:05:46 I've been using linux on a laptop for almost 2 years without any problems.... its almost painful to reboot to windows haha Dec 30 05:06:13 yeah shortly after i turned 30 i decided it was a better use of my time -using- my computer instead of writing kernel hacks Dec 30 05:06:24 every so often when i have to enter a product key it feels so wierd... Dec 30 05:08:12 wow my toucjpad just started exhibition mode and im 8 miles from its touchstone home Dec 30 05:08:34 it's super-powered magentic fields Dec 30 05:08:43 gf bought me a TPTS for xmas <3 Dec 30 05:08:48 i heard the earth is magnetic. Dec 30 05:08:59 fxspec06: lies Dec 30 05:09:10 the unicorn told me it wasn't Dec 30 05:10:05 for real. i saw it on the news once. space aliens and egyptians channel Dec 30 05:10:34 you mean fox? Dec 30 05:11:28 bahaha Dec 30 05:11:57 hmm. i need a zippo app. Dec 30 05:12:10 * halfhalo gets by with a zippo lighter Dec 30 05:12:28 * EricBlade-TP quit smoking over a year ago Dec 30 05:12:48 * halfhalo just likes fire Dec 30 05:13:42 you would like fire Dec 30 05:14:02 * fxspec06 quit smoking over 6 months ago Dec 30 05:14:14 * EricBlade-TP puffs his electronic cig Dec 30 05:14:49 i don't even miss it Dec 30 05:25:01 * EricBlade-TP blows cinnamon flavored vapor all over Dec 30 05:39:27 http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/dhs-takes-counterterrorism-nhl/281546 Dec 30 05:39:52 whoops Dec 30 05:42:44 i'll be damned Dec 30 05:42:50 i just got a natural straight flush. Dec 30 05:42:54 no draw Dec 30 05:43:39 3-4-5-6-7 Dec 30 05:43:44 diamonds Dec 30 05:48:19 spammer Dec 30 05:49:14 of course you hit that,youre the author Dec 30 05:51:21 http://i.imgur.com/XJEzY.png Dec 30 05:51:36 no way. i have a "testing" method that's commented out. Dec 30 05:51:44 that is real deal baby Dec 30 05:51:54 too bad my bet was '1' =( Dec 30 05:52:01 last time i hit it my bet was '2' Dec 30 05:57:33 yea last time i had a royal in holdem i was playing 2cent Dec 30 05:57:44 always happens that way Dec 30 05:59:14 holdem doesnt matter about how strong your hand is,it just has to win though Dec 30 05:59:43 so i beat like a pair with my last royal Dec 30 06:01:37 lol Dec 30 06:01:45 that sucks actually. i'm sorry Dec 30 06:01:55 i bet you went all in tho Dec 30 06:01:58 ;) Dec 30 06:04:50 damn my internet at home Dec 30 06:05:04 good thing im not there Dec 30 06:10:08 theres another touchpad owner at the bar im at :O Dec 30 06:10:46 people keep asking both of us.. is that ice cream sandwich ...? Dec 30 06:10:59 oh really Dec 30 06:11:09 lol Dec 30 06:11:43 just say yes. it's better off that way. Dec 30 06:11:58 lol Dec 30 06:12:40 we've both said noits webos . . and people look at us like... what? Dec 30 06:14:22 ya that usually requires further explanation Dec 30 06:14:53 thats sad. we're not even red headed step child status Dec 30 06:15:52 EricBlade-TP: its just much fun when people go "is that an iPad???!?!" "no, its an Hp Touchpad with WebOS" "oh.... " Dec 30 06:15:53 she has an android phone though Dec 30 06:18:07 says she's jealous of my webos phone though Dec 30 06:18:28 im guessing thats because its providing tne bar with internet Dec 30 06:20:01 maybe she's interested because you're a developer Dec 30 06:20:06 and she thinks that's hot. Dec 30 06:20:18 o_O Dec 30 06:22:26 if i ever got laid because im a programmer... . . . the world would end Dec 30 06:23:05 and then you'd wake up and the first thing to come out of your mouth would be "hello world" Dec 30 06:23:25 lol Dec 30 06:24:13 void main(void) { printf("whoa wtf"); } Dec 30 06:24:37 ^^ that shows how out of touch i am with c... Dec 30 06:27:42 hmm. well gvoice's not running notification doesnt seem to be killing the battery Dec 30 06:28:31 wild'n poker kills my battery Dec 30 06:28:35 i got to say lol Dec 30 06:28:57 between villo, animations, images, and everything else... a good session can kill a battery in no time Dec 30 06:29:31 then again, a good session of just about any game can kill a pre battery. Dec 30 06:29:48 chuck norris killed a pre battery by looking at it Dec 30 06:30:09 better than a Girly Man one. Dec 30 06:34:19 buenos noches amigos Dec 30 06:36:17 chucknorris can kill anything by looking at it Dec 30 06:54:21 chuck norris can beat super mario without the jump button. Dec 30 06:59:32 lol Dec 30 06:59:45 Have you played super mario cross over? Dec 30 07:14:58 com Dec 30 07:15:05 http://www.mariocrossover.com/ Dec 30 07:19:35 lol Dec 30 09:23:00 fuck, I lost my palm pre. How can I get another one? Dec 30 09:24:31 ebay/craigslist Dec 30 09:26:46 hi, which emulator should I use for the Veer ? Dec 30 09:34:08 whatever it is you want to emulate? Dec 30 09:35:38 uhm ? the veer has its own emulator or not ? Dec 30 09:35:53 what are you talking about? Dec 30 09:39:21 we are out of sync I think, I've installed the 3.04 SDK, which only has a touchpad size emulator Dec 30 09:39:59 on the website you can find various emulator images, but none says to which phone models they belong Dec 30 09:40:10 scroll down to the bottom of the page Dec 30 09:40:22 there are images for other webos versions Dec 30 09:40:39 you want the one that most closely matches the version on the veer Dec 30 09:41:53 okay, then I just need to select the right resolution, and thats it ? Dec 30 09:42:04 yes Dec 30 09:42:22 okay Dec 30 09:42:36 and is there a way to get the bing update on emulators as well ? Dec 30 09:44:25 I don't believe so Dec 30 09:45:50 you get bing on 2.2 and 3, iirc Dec 30 09:47:34 I need to test it on my phone then Dec 30 10:27:23 I'm creating a app which needs a network connection to fetch data, is there a way to monitor network availability ? Dec 30 10:52:46 my keyboard is buzzing like there is a bee or wasp inside of it... O.o Dec 30 10:58:59 now the monitor is blinking on and off.... Dec 30 12:06:47 any documentation on calling activity manager from enyo ?? Dec 30 12:22:18 hi Dec 30 14:15:33 Hi guys, when my app has a console.log() call, how can I see the output? Dec 30 14:27:02 i left firefox running for all day Dec 30 14:27:05 over 1gb ram. Dec 30 14:27:43 Serafean: lumberjack in preware, or if you're using eclipse, you can see in the eclipse console Dec 30 14:28:26 fxspec06: I'll try lumberjack Dec 30 14:28:33 any way from the console? Dec 30 14:28:43 meaning connected using novaterm Dec 30 14:40:51 there has to be a way, i've never done that way Dec 30 14:40:54 b/c i use eclipse Dec 30 14:41:03 hm Dec 30 14:41:25 fxspec06: I almost never close firefox and rarely see over 400MB (and I'm pretty sure yesterday I had about 80 tabs open) Dec 30 14:41:40 I think most memory leakage is caused by addons/plugins Dec 30 14:42:52 the only add on i have is adblock Dec 30 14:43:12 oh hmm not true. i got apanta, firebug, and firephp Dec 30 14:43:23 firebug has some bad ones Dec 30 14:43:36 but obviously that only happens while it's enabled/active Dec 30 14:43:41 but i love firebug Dec 30 14:43:45 me too :D Dec 30 14:47:57 you can try palm-launch com.app.id -i Dec 30 14:48:01 run w/ inspector Dec 30 14:48:31 palm-launch -i com.app.id Dec 30 14:49:54 inspector? Dec 30 14:50:27 ya i don't know either. it could mean a log in cmd Dec 30 14:50:31 i don't know lol Dec 30 14:50:44 inspector gadget Dec 30 14:56:06 fxspec06: running eclipse would simply be too much for my PC, plus I like doing things manually :) Dec 30 15:00:09 i know there is some way to do it, because eclipse does it. it's some combination of params on this page but i just don't know it Dec 30 15:00:10 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/command_line_tools.html Dec 30 15:00:32 but yes, lumberjack in preware does what you want, just not on the puter =| Dec 30 15:13:25 setting loglevel to info using palm-log : palm-log --system-log-level=info Dec 30 15:16:32 did that fix it Dec 30 15:17:20 fxspec06: not yet Dec 30 15:18:37 palm log -f Dec 30 15:18:39 actually it appears that there isn't any logging done directly by my app Dec 30 15:18:41 palm-log -f Dec 30 15:18:47 palm-log -f com.app.id Dec 30 15:19:06 ctrl+c to terminate (as usual) Dec 30 15:19:20 ohh, sprint pre2 decided to update itself :/ Dec 30 15:19:49 fxspec06: yeah, it just sits there, no output. Dec 30 15:20:10 if I novaterm into the VM, log com.app.id outputs a lot Dec 30 15:20:18 but still nothing from my app Dec 30 15:20:41 because the log command is apparently just a wrapper around regular grep Dec 30 15:20:45 are you using console.log? b/c you should probably use this.log() for enyo Dec 30 15:20:53 or Mojo.Log.info() for mojo Dec 30 15:21:02 or if you like console.log, use console.error() Dec 30 15:21:19 I'm not using either of those, it's a synergy service Dec 30 15:23:28 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/command-line-tools.html#palm-log Dec 30 15:24:06 the magical palm-run Dec 30 15:24:55 console.error() outputs fine. I'll use it as a workaround for now Dec 30 15:24:58 thanks Dec 30 15:26:22 cool cool Dec 30 15:26:58 if you find out how to get console.log to work, plz share Dec 30 15:28:58 will do Dec 30 15:38:01 Serafean: i remember asking what it was you were working on, but i don't remember if you said or not.. Dec 30 15:38:24 EricBlade1: a carddav synergy plugin Dec 30 15:38:43 to be eventually expanded to support caldav too Dec 30 15:38:51 ah, right. i do now remember you saying that, and i probably glossed over it not having any idea what *DAV stuff is Dec 30 15:39:38 in a nutshell : its a protocol for transferring vcards over http Dec 30 15:40:27 Personnaly I want to use it with owncloud (www.owncloud.org) as default contact plugin Dec 30 15:43:25 i need to figure out this db8 stuff one day Dec 30 15:44:01 hopefully whatever replaces it in open source webOS ends up using the same interface Dec 30 15:44:16 EricBlade1: you know KDE? Dec 30 15:44:29 they have a similar concept in place, called akonadi Dec 30 15:45:04 nah i've been pretty much uninvolved with linux and X stuff for years Dec 30 15:47:21 EricBlade1: localstorage Dec 30 15:47:45 fxspec06: localstorage doesn't connect to synergy :) Dec 30 15:48:00 i see. Dec 30 15:48:38 EricBlade1: btw why replace db8? Dec 30 15:50:03 Serafean: from what i understand from discussions on the Developer forum, it's backed by berkelyDB, which is possibly not under a license that will be compatible with whatever we end up with Dec 30 15:52:44 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/db8.html <-- maybe now that i've been doing this for a couple months, i'll be able to understand this document Dec 30 15:53:48 it's a fairly simple document. like 3rd grade stuff =P Dec 30 15:56:48 yeah well if i've read that page before, i was packing it into the same time as being a complete webOS, Javascript, and Enyo noob Dec 30 15:58:08 hey hey hey. i was a complete javascript n00b in february. look at me now Dec 30 15:58:17 * fxspec06 sings that 'on top of the world' song Dec 30 16:00:13 how would one simplify this if statement: Dec 30 16:00:31 if ( x != a && x != b ) {} Dec 30 16:01:48 ummm, I don't think one would Dec 30 16:02:23 right, but i was just thinking there may be a way Dec 30 16:02:27 that would be really cool Dec 30 16:02:40 yeah, I've thought that was a little redundant Dec 30 16:03:48 I'd optimize it : if ( a!=b && x!=a) Dec 30 16:04:06 nope, bad idea Dec 30 16:04:07 sorry Dec 30 16:05:14 if ( x != (a && b) ) doesn't work. in english it would be written if ( x != ( a||b ) ) Dec 30 16:05:27 i wonder.. Dec 30 16:05:38 won't work.. Dec 30 16:05:51 (a && b) will evaluate to true or false Dec 30 16:05:58 yep Dec 30 16:05:59 as will (a||b) Dec 30 16:09:39 what about Dec 30 16:09:48 if ( !(x==a==b) ) Dec 30 16:10:13 or if ( x != a != b ) Dec 30 16:10:22 o.O Dec 30 16:11:28 fxspec06: wouldn't that imply that a=b ? Dec 30 16:14:02 nope Dec 30 16:15:02 how is !(x==a==b) evaluated? Dec 30 16:15:23 (javascript newb talking) Dec 30 16:15:57 it checks to see if x is equal to a, and if a is equal to b, and returns two booleans. if both booleans are true, the statement inside parenthesis evaluates true. then the ! inverses that Dec 30 16:17:05 but wait my first question was a trap Dec 30 16:17:07 wouldn't work Dec 30 16:17:10 so it could be rewritten !((x==a) && (a==b)) Dec 30 16:17:22 which isn't the original if Dec 30 16:17:23 because a doesn't have to be b Dec 30 16:17:24 ok Dec 30 16:17:43 ^ referring to (!(x==a==b) ) Dec 30 16:17:48 yes Dec 30 16:18:12 if ( x != a && x != b ) {} Dec 30 16:18:18 second one doesn't work either Dec 30 16:18:20 (x != a != b ) <=> ((x!=a) && (a!=b)) Dec 30 16:18:24 wrong also Dec 30 16:18:36 yep =| Dec 30 16:27:37 basically i want to apply the mathematical distributive property to a javascript if statement Dec 30 16:29:24 (x!=a!=b) <=> (x!=a && x!=b) Dec 30 16:29:26 that works Dec 30 16:30:18 that works in every case except a==b Dec 30 16:32:04 x = 0, a = 10, b = 1: 0 != 10 != 1 evaluates true, 0 != 10 && 0 != 1 evaluates true Dec 30 16:32:39 x = 0, a = 0, b = 1: 0!=0!=1 evaluates false, 0 != 0 && 0 != 1 evaluates false Dec 30 16:33:27 x = 0, a = 1, b = 1: 0!=1!=1 evaluates false, 0 != 1 && 0 != 1 evaluates true Dec 30 16:33:37 so there's the proof. you can simplify, so long as a != b Dec 30 16:35:22 in that case : (x!=a!=b) |= (x!=a && x!=b) Dec 30 16:36:19 so that's how you write the one way proof? Dec 30 16:37:39 it's the symbol for the tautological implication Dec 30 16:38:15 * fxspec06 googles Dec 30 16:39:55 basically : a formula evaluates true in n cases, its tautological implication evaluates true in all the n cases of the original formula + 1 (or more, I get a little fuzzy there) Dec 30 16:42:01 yeah mind is blown reading the wiki, but that is an awesome subject Dec 30 16:56:16 anyone w/ a veer or pixi Dec 30 16:56:51 +1 Dec 30 16:57:19 anyone with a sprint device? Dec 30 16:57:26 i need a prl update for my frankenpre2 Dec 30 16:58:02 i just need someone to test my super awesome game on their veer or pixi. Dec 30 16:59:22 steel all my data ? ;) Dec 30 17:02:01 i mean i really don't HAVE to add veer support. but i guess ppl like that? Dec 30 17:02:08 =p Dec 30 17:02:49 where is a good place to start on enyo development Dec 30 17:03:02 right here Dec 30 17:04:13 fxspec06, what kind of game is it ' Dec 30 17:04:22 fxspec06, I have a veer here Dec 30 17:04:26 wild'n video poker Dec 30 17:04:50 it's an update that i've been working on for ages and ages Dec 30 17:04:54 okay.... Dec 30 17:05:07 no clue what to expect :) Dec 30 17:05:30 i got a few things to fix before it's ready. prob 5-10mins Dec 30 17:05:40 in the meantime you can d/l the 'free' version in the app cat Dec 30 17:05:46 to know what to expect Dec 30 17:05:54 should work on veer as well ? Dec 30 17:05:57 ya Dec 30 17:06:52 downloading Dec 30 17:08:04 so ide? Dec 30 17:08:46 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html Dec 30 17:09:15 sublime text 2! Dec 30 17:13:24 fxspec06, okay I have nooooo clue about poker :) Dec 30 17:13:24 anyone using eclipse? Dec 30 17:14:20 me Dec 30 17:14:53 * Simpson_2 as well Dec 30 17:15:01 ok, so i will install the https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/eclipse/update-site/site.xml Dec 30 17:15:19 listening to McMulty Dec 30 17:19:09 Simpson_2: there is a help section Dec 30 17:19:21 not the greatest ever, but it is functional Dec 30 17:19:42 * oilsworkn opens eclipse now just to use the run and logging Dec 30 17:20:16 but after getting used to multiselect in sublime text 2 i can't go back Dec 30 17:24:52 text 2 looks nice Dec 30 17:29:15 08:08 < fxspec06> it checks to see if x is equal to a, and if a is equal to b, and returns two booleans. if both booleans are true, the statement inside parenthesis evaluates true. then the ! inverses that Dec 30 17:29:20 wtf, really? that's terrible Dec 30 17:29:48 well kinda maybe a bad explanation Dec 30 17:29:57 seems like it should evaluate x==a and then try to apply that boolean result == c Dec 30 17:30:33 hmm i wonder how it really does it Dec 30 17:30:46 <- not a js programmer Dec 30 17:31:42 x=1;a=0,b=false;alert(x==a==b) Dec 30 17:31:45 gives me 'true' Dec 30 17:31:51 in my firefox error console anyways Dec 30 17:32:31 orlynow Dec 30 17:32:45 typeof(NaN) == 'number' Dec 30 17:33:21 how can that return true if x != a Dec 30 17:33:51 javascript: it makes no sense Dec 30 17:33:59 x==a -> false Dec 30 17:34:02 false == false -> true Dec 30 17:34:14 but. +1 oil Dec 30 17:35:45 oh derp. Dec 30 17:45:00 ok so who wanted to test wild'n? Dec 30 17:50:36 * fxspec06 thinks it's ready to sub Dec 30 18:18:26 Would I be dumb for buying a Pre3 right now? Dec 30 18:19:09 no Dec 30 18:19:17 think different Dec 30 18:19:44 depends on what you want Dec 30 18:20:16 hmmm Dec 30 18:20:26 edit: Do I want one for $340 Dec 30 18:46:42 Satellite: New veer's are going for $99 on ebay. :) Dec 30 18:47:10 aren't they kinda crappy compared to Pre3's though? Dec 30 18:47:44 Most reviews have been pretty positive. I just got one and love it. Dec 30 18:48:08 But I like small phones. If you want a big screen, it's not for you. Dec 30 18:48:12 yup once you got a veer every other smart phone is a fridge ;) Dec 30 18:48:13 Veer are nice Dec 30 18:48:31 just hope that they make touch to share work once Dec 30 18:49:42 fffff Dec 30 18:49:46 debating between veer and pre3 Dec 30 18:50:55 Do you like big or small Dec 30 18:51:02 Thats it Dec 30 18:51:57 yup Dec 30 18:52:05 fully agree Dec 30 18:52:33 whats the use of your phone, have all info everywhere, or a real internet 'terminal' Dec 30 18:52:51 for full internet use it is small, but to cary all info around it rocks Dec 30 18:53:15 Satellite: pre3... Dec 30 18:53:27 well it's also a price thing haha Dec 30 18:53:31 99 for veer, 340 for pre3 Dec 30 18:53:34 hmmmmm Dec 30 18:54:26 I wish there was a webOS version of whatsapp -_- Dec 30 18:57:27 just be aware that US pre3s probably have no warranty or support Dec 30 18:57:35 since I think they were for "personal use" Dec 30 18:58:55 Yeah, fair enough Dec 30 18:59:08 As long as AT&T lets me use 4g I'm happy Dec 30 18:59:40 Why are you choosing a webOS device instead of another device? Dec 30 19:00:45 well, fun. apparently noWindow operates differently on webOS 2 than it does on webOS 3 Dec 30 19:01:30 Tibfib_: I have an Android phone and a Windows phone, might as well get a webOS phone :P Dec 30 19:02:02 Plus I have a Touchpad and having a webOS phone to integrate with it would be nice Dec 30 19:05:24 Tibfib_: such a jerk Dec 30 19:06:00 no it doesn't, i'm just being an idiot as normal Dec 30 19:06:08 It's a legitimate question to be fair oilsworkn :P Dec 30 19:17:58 hello guys Dec 30 19:21:27 Damn, the $340 one sold Dec 30 19:21:31 Now there's only $399 :| Dec 30 19:22:48 in denmark they are sold for like 200 $ Dec 30 19:22:58 does this look like t good place to start ? Dec 30 19:22:59 http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/introduction-to-webos-3-0-enyo/ Dec 30 19:25:28 Hey guys, is there any good editor for WebOS enyo? Dec 30 19:25:35 For writting programs Dec 30 19:28:07 IceXtreme IDE? Dec 30 19:30:53 wow Dec 30 19:31:37 gotta make a program for making programs Dec 30 19:31:56 it's ok, we didn't lose the important people Dec 30 19:32:37 lol Dec 30 19:32:41 haha Dec 30 19:33:04 okay i'm running into a lack of javascript knowledge problem... Dec 30 19:33:20 sad Dec 30 19:33:28 annoying.. Dec 30 19:34:19 I have a function which takes a call back function as parameter, in that function this.$ obviously doesn't work, there must be a straighforward solution for that Dec 30 19:34:36 in the callback function? Dec 30 19:34:54 yup Dec 30 19:35:10 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html Dec 30 19:35:31 ctrl+f enyo.bind Dec 30 19:35:47 ah that stayed the same as with mojo Dec 30 19:36:31 scope is not a mojo or enyo thing, its a javascript thing Dec 30 19:36:53 like I said, javascript knowledge issue ;) Dec 30 19:36:57 but thx for the help Dec 30 19:37:05 np Dec 30 19:38:37 trying to make my personal deadline Dec 30 19:40:08 okay that works ! Dec 30 19:40:23 it always works :) Dec 30 19:41:03 now I just have about 24h left to get my linked data query engine working for my next shift, see if webos can make my job easier ;) Dec 30 19:46:27 $400 to buy this Palm Pre3, someone slap me in the face and tell me I'm making a bad decision Dec 30 19:51:35 Satellite, it does sound a bit too much Dec 30 19:51:45 sigh, yeah :( Dec 30 19:51:54 I waited 10 seconds too long, could've gotten it for 340 Dec 30 19:52:44 it getting mine for what would be 240$ Dec 30 19:53:06 yeah but you're in Europe Dec 30 19:53:14 yea Dec 30 19:54:06 so that doesn't help me :P Dec 30 19:54:34 k...youre on the arctic pole or something? Dec 30 19:55:51 Satellite: well, i could use $400, if you're giving away money. hehe Dec 30 19:55:57 you realize the Pre3 is not on sale in the US, right koo7 Dec 30 19:56:53 Satellite, dunno much about 'on sale', getting it from a guy on the internetz Dec 30 19:57:12 it's still far more widely available than in the US Dec 30 19:58:05 i do know that the prices on ebay seemd a lot worse than what i got in the end...same for veer mostly too Dec 30 19:58:16 i just thought the prices were generally varying Dec 30 19:59:14 shrug Dec 30 19:59:19 get an n9 Dec 30 20:07:39 adult diapers for javascript ? Dec 30 20:07:41 depends.js Dec 30 20:09:56 ls Dec 30 20:09:56 appinfo.json framework_config.json index.html Dec 30 20:09:56 depends.js images source Dec 30 20:15:47 visionary: depends.js lists the source files the framework needs to load to make your app work Dec 30 20:23:27 is there a way to dynamicly update texts in pageheaders ? Dec 30 20:24:50 ah setContent works there as well Dec 30 20:37:20 Simpson_2: if you're using an enyo.Header kind, I like to make a component in there that I set text on...that way if I want to put a button or something in there, I can change just the text without wiping out the rest of the header contents using setContent Dec 30 20:44:46 sugardave, yup just figured that out ;) Dec 30 20:44:54 sugardave, thanks anyway :) Dec 30 20:45:14 okay phase one is complete of my app Dec 30 20:46:16 I'm probably gona be the only user of it though ;) Dec 30 21:24:06 400 seems high for a pre3 Dec 30 21:24:16 unless they've gone up again Dec 30 21:34:16 XMLHttpRequest cannot load file:///opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/framework/enyo/1.0/framework/framework_config.json. Cross origin requests are only supported for HTTP. Dec 30 21:40:58 chrome? Dec 30 21:42:19 ya Dec 30 21:42:46 there is some flag you use when starting it to allow that stuff Dec 30 21:52:27 http://www.kalemsoft.com/site/purchase.html Dec 30 21:52:39 I thought the appcat thing says you can't sell your apps outside of the cat Dec 30 22:06:00 dwc-: i bought that app in the catalog Dec 30 22:07:10 is storing configuration in the key manager a viable solution? Dec 30 22:07:35 as a key of type asciiblob, of course Dec 30 22:18:19 visionary: C:\Users\Eric\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe --allow-file-access-from-files --disable-web-security --enable-file-cookies Dec 30 22:18:31 oops meant to just paste the command line options not the whole line Dec 30 22:40:29 thanks Dec 30 23:12:42 dwc-: appcat agreement says you need written permission to sell stuff outside the appcata Dec 30 23:13:26 umm.. this is a dumb question.. but.. i need to locate a website that has working google ads. strangely, i can't seem to find one that i'm positive has them Dec 30 23:14:32 my touchpad is refusing to load ads, as far as i can tell, but i can't recall ever installing an ad blocker Dec 30 23:21:00 rwhitby: ahhh... significant difference. Dec 30 23:21:58 google ads? Dec 30 23:22:03 like adsense? Dec 30 23:22:32 yeah Dec 30 23:22:54 i can't seem to get them to load from any client on my network, nor when using my touchpad or cell phone via the cellular link, and i'm .. being driven insane. Dec 30 23:23:06 every now and then Chrome on my PC will show one Dec 30 23:24:00 driven insane by not seeing ads... you're weird Dec 30 23:25:00 how about http://ericbla.de/ ? Dec 30 23:33:13 I don't know whether to use Voogle or GVoice :x Dec 30 23:33:29 Neither of them do push notifications for received texts, right? Dec 30 23:35:02 the closest thing to "push" is to fwd sms to gmail and check email "as it arrives" Dec 30 23:36:52 dwc-: yeah, i can't tell if it's working or not, because i can't see ads anywhere Dec 30 23:37:17 ooh that's an interesting idea dwc Dec 30 23:37:27 you'll be delighted to know that if I turn off adblock in firefox, I see some ads on your page Dec 30 23:37:40 ok, well, that is good. Dec 30 23:37:44 now why can't i see them from my touchpad Dec 30 23:38:01 and one of them links through google syndication, which leads me to guess it's the google ads, not some other DSP or ad network with google ads inventory Dec 30 23:38:09 that you might have on your page Dec 30 23:39:19 works on my touchpad in stock browser Dec 30 23:39:23 interesting. because my page views is at a huge all time high right now, but my ad serves for the last two weeks are showing 0 Dec 30 23:39:55 what's your CPM? Dec 30 23:42:16 i don't see a CPM stat Dec 30 23:43:18 i had been pulling about $20 / week on it, and it's been 0 with negligible page views listed on adsense, since early december Dec 30 23:45:17 working with this example Dec 30 23:45:17 http://pastie.org/3098840 Dec 30 23:45:50 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined Dec 30 23:45:54 line 35 Dec 30 23:46:12 initialize this.results Dec 30 23:47:00 this.results is undefined until after gotFeed is called, but getListItem is called as soon as the app is rendered Dec 30 23:48:11 Howdy all... anyone know what state the blue clouds and spinner is on a Pre 2? I think I have a dead modem, but not sure, and that is where the phone gets to on a redoctor Dec 30 23:49:28 lingfish: are you watching /var/log/messages and ls-monitor ? Dec 30 23:52:51 rwhitby: kinda hard when I can't hit the dev... novacom doesn't even see it :/ Dec 30 23:53:27 ... which is odd because I hear USB activating, and see the USB disk appear (though of course not accessible) Dec 30 23:54:30 rwhitby: Am I missing something with being able to access it/ Dec 30 23:55:38 did you turn on dev mode in meta-doctor? Dec 30 23:56:07 Nah, didn't actually... was going to be the next trick... good call Dec 30 23:56:36 never doctor without dev mode on, and watching /var/log/messages and ls-monitor Dec 30 23:56:56 EricBlade: is that the same issue here ? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial5.html Dec 30 23:57:47 visionary: note their create function Dec 30 23:59:36 ok , added create function and it works, thanks Dec 31 00:03:57 submitting new wild'n now Dec 31 01:26:40 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial5.html Dec 31 01:26:58 how does the app know the feed it xml vs json? Dec 31 01:27:49 mind. boggled. Dec 31 01:28:05 () our intern started a "guide for interns" Dec 31 01:28:14 I'm skimming it thinking it'd be useful for new employees as a whole Dec 31 01:28:32 * dwc- quotes Dec 31 01:28:36 "If you are not familiar with SVN, I recommend getting a book on the subject (such as this one). It may be overkill but it will give a broader overview of SVN's capabilities than as-needed Google searching will. (Links to common SVN use cases within the company would be helpful.)" Dec 31 01:29:17 @visionary the feed URL in FeedReader.js Dec 31 01:29:25 common... svn... use ... cases... Dec 31 01:29:30 &format=json Dec 31 01:29:31 https://twitter.com/#!/WildnPoker/status/152921484178882560 Dec 31 01:30:46 lines 56 and 111 Dec 31 01:45:00 dwc- lol Dec 31 01:49:53 also in this "code style conventions" doc he's so kindly written Dec 31 01:49:55 Use Correct Grammar And Punctuation In Comments Dec 31 01:50:36 (some random examples of code written by some of our non-english native speakers) Dec 31 01:50:37 Reasoning Dec 31 01:50:38 Incorrect grammar and or punctuation distracts the coder from the primary task. Also, taking the time to get this right shows more professionalism. Dec 31 01:50:43 gg intern Dec 31 01:51:10 lol Dec 31 01:51:16 //This function has return list of a float number Dec 31 01:52:07 oh dear god Dec 31 01:52:08 Write Well Structured Code Dec 31 01:52:08 Bad Dec 31 01:52:09 The following code is very sloppy. There is an unnecessary newline after the class name, no newline between private member variable declarations and the first method, an unnecessary newline before the end of the first method, no space between the end of function parameter lists, and again an unnecessary newline at the end of the third method. This is not the worst example found in this code, but the other examples have already been cleaned up. Dec 31 01:52:21 ......////this function can kiss my ass Dec 31 01:52:45 hahahahahaha Dec 31 01:52:59 /** in: garbage, out: garbage **/ Dec 31 01:53:29 Bad Dec 31 01:53:30 Here the ending curly brace for the if-statement is on its own line, but the beginning curly brace for the else is on the same line as the else. There is inconsistent whitespace between the + operator and operands. There is another unnecessary newline in the catch block. This is very sloppy. Dec 31 01:53:35 wtf cares Dec 31 01:53:52 if we wanted to be asshats, we'd run it through a style checker as part of the build process Dec 31 01:54:00 you know who cares dwc-? people who can't code Dec 31 01:54:06 those are the only people who care Dec 31 01:54:08 some of it is reasonable criticism Dec 31 01:54:14 but, I mean Dec 31 01:54:42 why are you calling out people's code and calling it shit "in public" Dec 31 01:54:56 have they added tab-vs-spaces? Dec 31 01:59:30 dunno, I'm only halfway down Dec 31 02:01:40 what about single quotes vs double quotes Dec 31 02:02:06 single quotes unless there are single quotes in the string! Dec 31 02:02:37 but both are standard ascII characters Dec 31 02:02:59 it really doesn't matter. at all. Dec 31 02:19:15 I tend to double quotes unless they're in a string and sometimes to be an ass, I escape them instead of switching to singles Dec 31 02:22:10 it sure does in many languages Dec 31 02:22:49 C cares, Java cares, perl cares, shell cares.... Dec 31 02:23:17 python makes distinctions iirc, etc. Dec 31 02:23:30 php cares Dec 31 02:23:36 stupid php... Dec 31 02:23:59 php is Dec 31 02:25:01 * halfhalo goes back to playing bf3 with his gimped computer Dec 31 02:30:19 would it be possible to use enyo to build web apps Dec 31 02:31:10 * fxspec06 doesn't care unless the language cares. Dec 31 02:32:36 what, it's not running at ridunkulous speed? Dec 31 02:33:41 I have two perfectly good 5870's in my desktop but can only use one since I lack a crossfire adapter Dec 31 02:33:51 lol Dec 31 02:35:41 * dwc- looks at the crossfire adapter on the floor Dec 31 02:36:26 * halfhalo looks at amazon shipment page for 2 xfire adapters. eta tomorrow Dec 31 02:44:22 * dwc- grumles aboutprecentral and broken *MOBILE version Dec 31 02:44:59 it's not premenstrual anymore. it's webos nation. Dec 31 02:45:33 it's still broken Dec 31 02:45:51 they're relaunching it! from waht i hear anyways Dec 31 02:45:52 mobile site = no source links Dec 31 02:45:54 right after new years Dec 31 02:46:08 full site link redirs back to mobile page Dec 31 02:46:24 ya so many links are broken Dec 31 02:47:34 it's' almost as if they never use all those dvices or mythical devices Dec 31 02:47:40 to browse their own shit Dec 31 02:48:54 o_O maybe they all read webosroundup **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 31 02:59:57 2011