**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 01 02:59:57 2012
Jan 01 04:11:26 <EricBlade-Pre> ok party is boring
Jan 01 04:12:23 <wrea> lol
Jan 01 04:21:32 <EricBlade-Pre> I'd rather be coding
Jan 01 04:22:07 <sugardave> EricBlade-Pre: cool, re-summarize how you got your exhibition component to stick
Jan 01 04:22:45 <EricBlade-Pre> it would stick when I opened it in a window with a different name
Jan 01 04:23:14 <sugardave> I'm working on a window manager kinda thing so I can do headless app dev in chrome with new windows as tabs and I want to make sure I handle dockmode correctly
Jan 01 04:23:39 <EricBlade-Pre> using the same window name as the non ex would result in it forgetting as soon as I close the window. among other things
Jan 01 04:23:47 <sugardave> a different name...I already have a different name between my regular app view and my exhibition view :/
Jan 01 04:24:02 <EricBlade-Pre> that would be great
Jan 01 04:24:15 <sugardave> it's mostly working
Jan 01 04:24:21 <sugardave> a little convoluted and brittle
Jan 01 04:24:21 <EricBlade-Pre> are you somehow closing the ex window?
Jan 01 04:24:53 <sugardave> only when carding it from exhibition mode and throwing it away
Jan 01 04:25:01 <sugardave> not in code at all
Jan 01 04:25:32 <EricBlade-Pre> it shouldn't card from ex
Jan 01 04:25:51 <sugardave> hmmm
Jan 01 04:26:10 <sugardave> mine does, but I'm launching it from the exhibition app
Jan 01 04:26:15 <sugardave> let me try the touchstone
Jan 01 04:26:19 <EricBlade-Pre> exhibition apparently doesn't like it when that window is closed
Jan 01 04:26:44 <EricBlade-Pre> it wants to keep the window live and just hide it
Jan 01 04:27:49 <sugardave> hmmm, so did you mean that I should be unable to card it at all or that I should be watching for deactivate and do something else?
Jan 01 04:29:45 <EricBlade-Pre> if you card it then you can toss it and it doesn't like that
Jan 01 04:30:20 <sugardave> ahhhhh
Jan 01 04:30:31 <sugardave> clock just disappears when you hit the center button
Jan 01 04:30:37 <sugardave> okay
Jan 01 04:31:00 <EricBlade-Pre> when you hit home on ex mode most apps just disappear
Jan 01 04:31:27 <sugardave> yep yep, just going to throw an event handler in that kind and see if that fixes my problem
Jan 01 04:31:41 <EricBlade-Pre> I think it hides them. audio keeps playing, at least in 3
Jan 01 04:35:09 <EricBlade-Pre> if I kept it running and went back to ex it would come back.. but tossing it then going to ex left me back on clock
Jan 01 04:41:49 <EricBlade-Pre> we should document this on webos101 or something
Jan 01 04:45:12 <EricBlade-Pre> I'm glad I have gvoice  tonight theres no cell service where I'm at!!
Jan 01 04:54:47 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: I finally bought GVoice, and I'm really liking it so far
Jan 01 04:55:20 <EricBlade-Pre> :) that makes me happy
Jan 01 04:55:48 <EricBlade-Pre> I noticed tonight the add contact menu option doesn't seem to be working though
Jan 01 04:56:47 <invalidopcode> really? like how isn't it working?
Jan 01 04:57:00 <wrea> oh palm, why dont you release current source for things
Jan 01 05:00:28 <EricBlade-Pre> well I have a person who has messaged me several times tonight that is not in my contacts.. and when I use the add contact menu option it doesn't add them
Jan 01 05:00:45 <invalidopcode> EricBlade-Pre: I think my only suggestion so far would be that the interface just feels like it needs a little polishing up
Jan 01 05:01:52 <sugardave> EricBlade-Pre: omg the only reason it didn't work was because I forgot to send the extra {window: "dockMode"} argument :|
Jan 01 05:02:01 <EricBlade-Pre> feel free to make suggestions on that end.
Jan 01 05:02:18 <EricBlade-Pre> I did that for a while too dave
Jan 01 05:03:33 <invalidopcode> EricBlade-Pre: hm... the add contact seems to work for me. ok sure, one question, does the grab button on the first pane do anything?
Jan 01 05:04:46 <EricBlade-Pre> on phones you can tap it to focus the right panel.. I thought it was hidden on touchpad
Jan 01 05:05:46 <invalidopcode> EricBlade-Pre: yeah... it sticks out a little bit so it is visible
Jan 01 05:06:25 <EricBlade-Pre> I don't think I'll be able to get the update with alerts working without the main app running before I leave town for a week
Jan 01 05:08:58 <invalidopcode> EricBlade-Pre: oooo so you would able to get notifications without the app running? cause that would be awesome
Jan 01 05:16:07 <EricBlade-Pre> yeah its working mostly. I question the reliability of the webOS alarms though. but it mostly works
Jan 01 05:17:06 <EricBlade-Pre> I thought I'd need a service to get reliability but then I found services use the same alarm service to run
Jan 01 05:19:08 <invalidopcode> ah well that's cool though, that will be a nice addition
Jan 01 05:19:09 <sugardave> I'm liking this new card as tab thing...
Jan 01 05:19:22 <PatrickC> "card as tab"?
Jan 01 05:19:30 <sugardave> for deving in chrome
Jan 01 05:19:32 <sugardave> headless apps
Jan 01 05:19:34 * PatrickC is rooting an android device. :/
Jan 01 05:19:36 <PatrickC> nice
Jan 01 05:21:34 <EricBlade-Pre> happy 2012 all. I am so happy to have come into this community.
Jan 01 05:21:49 <PatrickC> its still 2011 here :/
Jan 01 05:22:18 <EricBlade-Pre> Dave will you share that ?
Jan 01 05:24:12 <EricBlade-Pre> wow.. autocorrect interface doesn't work in Enyo apps on phones..
Jan 01 05:26:05 <zephjc> happy 2012 :)
Jan 01 05:28:28 <sugardave> EricBlade-Pre: yeah, I'm going to work on it some, it's pretty specialized to my app structure
Jan 01 05:28:41 <sugardave> but it's a pretty simple idea at its heart
Jan 01 05:30:13 <sugardave> and Happy New Year!
Jan 01 05:30:19 <sugardave> it's still 2011 here, as well
Jan 01 05:32:30 <EricBlade-Pre> its 2012 on the east coast so it is everywhere heh
Jan 01 05:33:02 <zephjc> we hosted a wild west murder mystery party - was a hit :)
Jan 01 05:34:21 <sugardave> nice!  we're just chillin' and enjoying a quiet evening of local fireworks
Jan 01 05:37:00 <invalidopcode> EricBlade-Pre: its still 2011 here too, but happy new year! Another suggestion would be that tapping the notification should focus the app, that would be a nice touch too
Jan 01 05:37:47 <EricBlade-Pre> yeah that works sometimes. its fixed in my dev copy now I think
Jan 01 05:40:39 <EricBlade-Pre> I'm kinda surprised my pre2 has handled over 2 hrs on orc and is only at fifty percent
Jan 01 05:41:48 <Tibfib> are you watching lotr?
Jan 01 05:42:33 <EricBlade-Pre> irc
Jan 01 05:42:38 <Tibfib> ;)
Jan 01 05:43:12 <sugardave> is orc the next level harder from elf or brownie?
Jan 01 05:44:33 <EricBlade-Pre> we need a nethack
Jan 01 05:49:11 <sugardave> EricBlade-Pre: I never played it...but I found this http://game.webhack.net
Jan 01 05:49:54 <EricBlade-Pre> I started one in unreal but its performance on Ios was really bad
Jan 01 05:50:35 <EricBlade-Pre> like 12 fps on ipod touch just rendering walls
Jan 01 05:59:48 <Shadyman> Hmm. Who was looking for a Pixi?
Jan 01 06:00:23 <Shadyman> http://www.bensoutlet.com/products/palm-pixi-unlocked-3g-sprint-smartphone
Jan 01 06:14:14 <EricBlade-Pre> does pixie plus have wifi?
Jan 01 06:15:53 <EricBlade-Pre> oops
Jan 01 06:17:40 <PatrickC> heppy nwe yaers
Jan 01 06:17:47 <PatrickC> EricBlade-Pre, yes it does
Jan 01 06:18:37 <EricBlade-Pre> oh.. well then I need one.
Jan 01 06:18:50 <EricBlade-Pre> gotta catch em all
Jan 01 06:19:06 * PatrickC has no pixi anymore
Jan 01 06:21:24 <EricBlade-Pre> uh oh tapping notification on phone without app running just clears the notification
Jan 01 06:25:34 <EricBlade-Pre> except it remains when you tap the notification area.. wth
Jan 01 06:33:44 <sugardave> woo, happy new year for real!
Jan 01 06:33:50 <PatrickC> yeah!
Jan 01 06:33:56 <PatrickC> sugardave, your in texas, right?
Jan 01 06:34:02 <sugardave> si
Jan 01 06:40:40 <EricBlade-Pre> later all !) happy new year
Jan 01 08:10:50 <invalidopcode> happy new year everyone
Jan 01 16:54:04 <IceXtreme> Hi everyone happy new year
Jan 01 17:55:45 <i3luefire> i3luefire> i am using linux mint debian edition and i am trying to upgrade my unused sprint palm pre minus to webos 2.0+ but on the step where i am supposed to connect the phone to my computer because the doctor has said to do so the next button stays greyed out and unavailable
Jan 01 17:55:45 <i3luefire> <i3luefire> what is the problem
Jan 01 18:17:42 <fxspec06> sounds like novacom drivers are not installed
Jan 01 18:18:03 <fxspec06> you can try one of two things: 1. reinstall novacom drivers, or stop and restart the service
Jan 01 18:18:43 <fxspec06> or 2. reboot your touchpad using power + card button, then immediately when it reboots release both and press and hold volume up key until you see a usb logo
Jan 01 18:18:53 <fxspec06> then try plugging it in after that.
Jan 01 18:29:26 <RagingMind> grr... my pre3 is stuck in holiday shipping limbo
Jan 01 20:10:57 <fxspec06> http://twitpic.com/3ss9j1
Jan 01 20:12:18 <Tibfib> haha
Jan 01 20:12:44 <wrea> rofl
Jan 01 20:19:41 <invalidopcode>  does anyone have any suggestions for repairing a damaged sdcard/internal partition on the touchpad?
Jan 01 21:59:07 <i3luefire> i just updated my sprint pre minus to webos 2.1
Jan 01 21:59:48 <i3luefire> and i do not know how to either sign into my palm account or create a new one
Jan 01 22:04:36 <EricBlade> anyone know what causes an alert to come up regularly "Google - Check your login and password" even though the logins aren't failing?
Jan 01 22:05:16 <EricBlade> i think the 2.1 sprint upgrade doesn't work real well, i had to totally hack it to get it to work right, and then it refuses to login to the backup server anyway
Jan 01 22:05:53 <dwc-> the logins are failing :P
Jan 01 22:06:24 <EricBlade> dwc-: but, they aren't.. i get it after every successful mail check
Jan 01 22:06:31 <i3luefire> EricBlade: are you using the application specific passwords with google
Jan 01 22:06:36 <EricBlade> no
Jan 01 22:07:07 <EricBlade> i wonder if google's throwing some kidn of warning because i'm logged in from a half dozen different things
Jan 01 22:07:17 <i3luefire> then i dont know why. but maybe that would fix the problem
Jan 01 22:07:39 <i3luefire> i use application specific passwords with google
Jan 01 22:08:33 <i3luefire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMabEyrtPRg&t=2m13s
Jan 01 22:09:09 <i3luefire> dwc-: can you help me with my log in issue?
Jan 01 22:14:30 <EricBlade> i pled your case on #webos-internals, they might be better equipped to help, although most of them also are in here
Jan 01 22:14:46 <EricBlade> ka6 didn't see you were metadoctoring
Jan 01 23:48:39 <sunnydayzrback> Hi, I am trying to install an ipk file using internalz pro on the touch pad. I copied the file to a folder and opened it from internalz.
Jan 01 23:49:20 <sunnydayzrback> It said Downloading/installing with the circle rotating on top. The transfer is complete but the circle is rotating and nothing's happening there.
Jan 01 23:49:36 <sunnydayzrback> I've been waiting for around 10 mins
Jan 01 23:49:53 <sunnydayzrback> Can anyone tell me if I am doing something wrong?
Jan 01 23:52:03 <fxspec06> do you see the app in the launcher? have you tried closing internalz and reopening? have you restarted?
Jan 01 23:52:47 <sunnydayzrback> I didn't want to restart in the middle of installation
Jan 01 23:52:50 <sunnydayzrback> let me try to restart now
Jan 01 23:54:59 <sunnydayzrback> worked. Looks like the app needeed a restart
Jan 01 23:55:01 <sunnydayzrback> thanks
Jan 01 23:56:51 <fxspec06> cool. it's not bad idea to interrupt a package installation, if you're going to reinstall it
Jan 01 23:56:55 <fxspec06> it doesn't hurt*
Jan 01 23:59:10 <zephjc> been any news about OSSing webOS?
Jan 02 00:02:05 <rrix> Nope
Jan 02 00:05:23 <fxspec06> nope
Jan 02 00:06:18 <zephjc> poop
Jan 02 00:22:26 <akanster> this is eye opening - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/technology/hewlett-packards-touchpad-was-built-on-flawed-software-some-say.html?smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto
Jan 02 00:31:37 <jrabbit> this is the same NYT that claimed the libyan war would go on for a decade
Jan 02 00:31:58 <zephjc> lol
Jan 02 00:33:14 <jrabbit> my favorite story involving them is the Chinese media type that wanted to know how they "New York central committee had such a good control over it"
Jan 02 00:33:25 <jrabbit> or something to that effect
Jan 02 00:35:52 <Loudergood> the only part of that that makes sense to me is the hard time finding webkit talent...seemed like that build got made and then forgotten about
Jan 02 00:39:24 <jrabbit> quel build?
Jan 02 00:41:55 <jrabbit> I like that he blames webkit.
Jan 02 00:42:05 <jrabbit> Webkit isn't HP's marketing division.
Jan 02 01:51:18 <sugardave> EricBlade: https://github.com/sugardave/enyo-headless-chrome-dev
Jan 02 01:51:38 <sugardave> I'll eventually get a README/docs for it
Jan 02 02:05:59 <EricBlade> neat, hopefully i'll get a chance to look at it shortly
Jan 02 02:58:56 <wesbos> Does anyone know if its possible to do touchscreen calibration on the touchpad?
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