**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 03 02:59:57 2012 Jan 03 03:04:17 quick question, when displaying a notification in dashboard, can the icon path be set to a url? Jan 03 03:04:32 like, an online URL? Jan 03 03:04:36 yes Jan 03 03:04:44 why would u want to do that? Jan 03 03:05:33 because i'm writing a boxcar.io client, and for each notification, they supply a URL to a png for use as an icon Jan 03 03:05:47 and it would be nice to be able to display that icon Jan 03 03:06:18 i would assume.. Jan 03 03:06:31 just change it from "path/to/icon" to "path.to.icon.com Jan 03 03:06:33 " Jan 03 03:06:45 but im not 100% sure Jan 03 03:07:00 yeah its not working, so im wondering if its an issue with my stuff or just not a possibility Jan 03 03:08:28 you can do it. but you have to do it yourself. Jan 03 03:08:35 you need to include a service request Jan 03 03:08:46 * PatrickC bbl Jan 03 03:08:48 open com.palm.app.browser Jan 03 03:08:52 w/ params Jan 03 03:09:23 then call that request in your dashboard tap function Jan 03 03:09:40 fxspec06: wait what? to set the dashboard icon to a online url? Jan 03 03:09:55 oh oh oh nvm Jan 03 03:10:14 i thought you meant, to open the browser in a url Jan 03 03:10:21 sorry long day. uhm Jan 03 03:10:24 haha ah its ok Jan 03 03:10:33 you can't download it Jan 03 03:10:50 are you asking or telling me that? Jan 03 03:11:35 for example, it supplies a url like this: http://s3.amazonaws.com/boxcar-production1/providers/icons/missing_normal_48.png Jan 03 03:11:38 did you try setting the icon to the URL? it _must_ be the correct size Jan 03 03:11:53 what size does it need to be? Jan 03 03:13:49 48 x 48 for the "large" one, 28 x 28 for the small one i believe Jan 03 03:14:15 enyo? Jan 03 03:14:23 well that works perfectly for the large one haha Jan 03 03:14:33 yup, its in enyo Jan 03 03:15:01 yep small icon needs to be h.o Jan 03 03:15:23 24 x 24 Jan 03 03:16:20 ah, but even if thats the case, shouldn't i be able to at least see the large one? Jan 03 03:16:42 nope. it flat out won't even show. Jan 03 03:16:49 even if it's 23 x 24 Jan 03 03:17:23 so should i set like a default 24x24 small icon and then just set the large one to the online one? Jan 03 03:18:16 yeah. definitely do that. Jan 03 03:18:27 the small one is the one that stays in the banner Jan 03 03:19:07 the large one is the one when you swipe down. so small one app specific, large is notification specific. if you want to think of it that way Jan 03 03:19:45 ok, ill try that. thanks Jan 03 03:21:34 its strange though because the small icon shows a default fine, but the large one just shows a tiny square Jan 03 03:27:16 * DougReeder waves hello Jan 03 03:27:47 i wonder... can i download it somewhere and then set it? Jan 03 03:28:03 * invalidopcode waves back to DougReeder Jan 03 03:29:29 hey DougReeder! Jan 03 03:30:39 hi patrickC! Jan 03 03:35:50 anyone know how to get the available screen height in enyo Jan 03 03:35:53 i am drawing a blank Jan 03 03:45:10 anyone read that ny times article Jan 03 03:46:36 window.innerHeight; Jan 03 03:47:42 ronald5467: yup. Jan 03 03:48:29 I read the article. Nothing really new, there's many people who would like to see webOS suceed, but that's not going to affect much. Jan 03 03:49:27 turns out the own employees thought it was a flop. How sad Jan 03 03:50:29 Oh, wait, the nyt article, not the wsj article Jan 03 03:52:26 Buttery-smooth animations are a great help to an OS, but they're not everything Jan 03 03:52:49 in the article the webos design was flawed. relying on webkit prevented it from running as fast as apple Jan 03 03:53:01 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/technology/hewlett-packards-touchpad-was-built-on-flawed-software-some-say.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all Jan 03 03:54:23 if we can get Webkit to use the graphics processor for CSS and all that, it would help a lot Jan 03 03:55:50 fxspec06: so i tried downloading some of the images from boxcar, and loading them manually and that works, so i guess it just doesn't like being loaded from a URL Jan 03 03:57:27 * DougReeder waves goodnight Jan 03 04:01:23 hrm Jan 03 04:01:25 interesting Jan 03 04:01:34 o.O Jan 03 04:03:10 i guess it isn't to big of a deal Jan 03 04:06:33 didn't realize webos was built in 9 months Jan 03 04:07:10 the whole "webkit can't run like apple" seems like a false comparison Jan 03 04:07:23 android phones aren't that smooth either, and they do just fine Jan 03 04:07:37 i stopped reading after that. Jan 03 04:11:44 they were saying that the whole "web technologies" wasn't that attractive to developers.... idk, its pretty good Jan 03 04:12:59 they were saying that it was hard to get people excited behind it Jan 03 04:13:18 probably because it's a lot of work to do multiple platforms Jan 03 04:14:32 yeah... the irony is that if HP allowed it, enyo apps could run on the other platforms Jan 03 04:16:08 can Jan 03 04:16:14 when it's OSS, they will Jan 03 04:17:35 wow photo sharing on 2.x is way easier and more obvious than on 3.x. Jan 03 04:21:17 probably because OTHER platforms are ridiculous to develop for Jan 03 04:21:33 and enyo is so easy, Apple and Google were scared and put the hush hush on it Jan 03 04:21:49 because they don't want to change THEIR platforms to easily support web apps. Jan 03 04:22:04 yeah, I'm pretty sure Apple and Google have the control over what HP says about their product Jan 03 04:22:31 they have control over what their employees say about HP's product Jan 03 04:23:03 i've never heard of an apple employee pushing web apps Jan 03 04:24:48 web apps are just too slow Jan 03 04:25:14 not really Jan 03 04:25:24 consumers don't want to deal with slowness Jan 03 04:25:26 for what they do, they are just fine. Jan 03 04:26:22 the article said it best. when consumers realized how slow it was there were many returns Jan 03 04:27:29 fxspec06: actually apple really pushed webapps, that was there big idea before they had the app store Jan 03 04:27:48 hm Jan 03 04:28:21 web apps and native apps can live in harmony. no? Jan 03 04:29:24 ronald5467: that maybe means "in 2009, the pre- hardware couldn't handle what webapps needed" Jan 03 04:29:35 but then the argument, is where are the binary "native" webos apps.. Jan 03 04:29:52 to which the reply is "there are none" Jan 03 04:30:06 the touchpad is also slow Jan 03 04:30:08 fxspec06: there are thos PDK ones Jan 03 04:30:15 yes but none from HP Jan 03 04:30:18 core apps Jan 03 04:30:23 true Jan 03 04:30:39 i think that would help a lot of the "slowness" Jan 03 04:31:12 funny HP has a couple apps in the android market Jan 03 04:31:48 they're probably enyo apps =P actually idk. but i do know that hp could redistribute it if they wanted to Jan 03 04:31:49 ronald5467: well, Microsoft has a good like 7 in the Apple App Store Jan 03 04:31:59 and in the android stroe Jan 03 04:32:47 i only see one in android. Hotmail Jan 03 04:33:13 how surprising, software companies publish apps in mobile marketplaces Jan 03 04:34:50 it's better for there customer base Jan 03 04:35:19 of f the top of my head: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tag/archive/2010/03/03/microsoft-tag-reader-for-google-android-available.aspx Jan 03 04:39:04 does not look like an app developed by Microsoft Jan 03 04:41:00 I think one legacy of the TouchPad is going to be, that after a few iterations of software development, this is absolutely a good path Jan 03 04:42:24 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jan 03 04:43:17 imo, the current webKit that is in place on webOS 1 and 2 is seriously ill equipped to handle what is being thrown at it. If it'd been maintained up-to-date, instead of being completely forked at Palm, I think by the time we got to webOS 3, we'd be looking at an entirely .. more powerful.. thing Jan 03 04:44:01 so you're suggesting that palm/hp should have mantained essentially a patchset and followed upstream? Jan 03 04:47:42 I'd say so, especially with webkit Jan 03 04:48:53 interesting, I feel like that would have been a pretty difficult task, depending on how much webkit was changing Jan 03 04:50:31 it would have fixed a few problems, created new ones, etc Jan 03 04:50:40 well, maybe when webOS is opened, that could become a reality Jan 03 04:51:04 but it would have been more interesting. even if slightly. Jan 03 04:51:33 as far as i recall the version in 3.0.x is the same was 2.x. Even if they didnt constantly keep in sync with upstream, they didnt even bother getting a new version on it for 3.0 Jan 03 04:52:25 wrea: I'm curious to look at the code Jan 03 04:52:35 same here Jan 03 04:52:38 invalidopcode: it'll depend on how tightly integrated they are Jan 03 04:52:45 (I know very little about webkit code) Jan 03 04:53:05 summatusmentis: yeah, true. same here, but it would be interesting to look through Jan 03 04:53:58 none of my 1.4x webkit broke in 2.x or 3.x Jan 03 04:56:05 there's definitely been some sort of upgrades to the webkit, considering the problems we are experiencing with enyo on the older devices Jan 03 04:57:20 right. there's been some. but it's not the latest version. Jan 03 04:57:39 1.x devices webkit is still better than current android webkit, btw...... Jan 03 04:58:07 I think they've upgraded very slightly or backported some things Jan 03 04:59:49 and, yes, absolutely, Palm should've maintained a patchset, and continued upgrading. Sure, freeze for a few months to stabilize, but the new major should definitely have started with a right-then modern webkit Jan 03 05:00:22 maybe they tried and it broke too many things Jan 03 05:00:47 and they didn't have the time to deal with it because of all the unreasonable deadlines and expectations Jan 03 05:01:00 that could be entirely true Jan 03 05:02:27 or, maybe they just put in what they thought was important. which is probably more likely Jan 03 05:02:47 Of course, there has been some talk in the dev forums, of a major webKit upgrade that has been happening behind the scenes Jan 03 05:03:30 * fxspec06 hasn't been noticing anything Jan 03 05:06:19 it's only been mentioned a couple times Jan 03 05:13:23 having half implemented 3d transforms seems more like "got what was working at the time" :) Jan 03 05:18:12 lol Jan 03 05:37:51 who decided "office" shouldn't be a keyword for "quickoffice" ... Jan 03 05:38:22 is Microsoft a keyword? Jan 03 05:38:39 oh god, i completely didn't take into account that working with a large team is going to require using Office files. yuck. Jan 03 05:38:53 what large team? Jan 03 05:39:02 i can't say Jan 03 05:39:08 ah Jan 03 05:39:14 and of course, QuickOffice can't open the excel sheet they just sent me Jan 03 05:39:22 Picel can Jan 03 05:40:03 i don't have picsel Jan 03 05:40:33 its a nice app.. depending on how much it is now :) Jan 03 05:41:05 please dont' tell me i'm going to need to bring two tablets to the office Jan 03 05:41:25 get the Ubuntu chroot Jan 03 05:41:28 and then Libreoffice Jan 03 05:41:41 yuk Jan 03 05:41:42 EricBlade: why, your company getting playbooks? :P Jan 03 05:42:26 no, i'd like to be able to impress someone with webos though Jan 03 05:42:29 the Playbook is nothing more then a big paperweight or frisbee :) Jan 03 05:42:45 people say that about the TouchPad too Jan 03 05:43:03 haha a rectangular frisbee? sounds interesting :P Jan 03 05:43:25 i dont see Blackberry OS in the top 10 tech things on the Wall Street Journel (i think thats the newspaper that had it) Jan 03 05:43:36 crap i just found out we're not getting the Android code for this project. Maybe the MacOS code will be portable to webOS Jan 03 05:43:47 idk, i hear that iPad are pretty good for swatting at flies with Jan 03 05:45:29 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203479104577124940576792260.html?mod=iPhone Jan 03 05:48:21 I really hate people using spreadsheets for misc. data. Jan 03 05:49:02 where else are they supposed to do with it? Jan 03 05:50:31 numbers Jan 03 05:50:47 spreadsheets are for numbers not calendars Jan 03 05:51:38 calendars have numbers in them Jan 03 05:51:49 yeah and squares too. Jan 03 05:52:02 msproject begs to differ (looks like an excel sheet with macros to me anyways) Jan 03 05:52:02 just because it looks like a calendar doesn't mean it's a calendar haha Jan 03 05:54:04 alright converting it to old excel format worked Jan 03 05:54:25 except it's stripped of all end-of-line markers Jan 03 05:54:34 EricBlade: just thought you might like to know, i got my push notifications stuff setup so tapping on a google voice message tries to bring up GVoice, and then opens the Google Voice website if it can't Jan 03 05:55:00 very nice :) Jan 03 05:55:31 yes.. i used that code you sent me this morning. it work perfectly, thank you very much! Jan 03 05:56:00 night guys Jan 03 05:56:26 just replaced the call to the TouchPlayer service with a call to the ApplicationManager service to load com.ericblade.googlevoiceapp ? Jan 03 05:56:54 yup, exactly Jan 03 05:57:38 i wish there were a better way, but if it's true that we can't use the protocol or mime-handlers, then that pretty much is it Jan 03 05:59:01 yeah, im thinking i might eventually converting this app into a service, then apps could subscribe to notifications from different providers Jan 03 06:00:11 any other spreadsheet formats that qucickoffice can load? Jan 03 06:01:08 bah, quickoffice doesn't even acknowledge webos anymore Jan 03 06:08:19 ok it's not the format that's screwing up quickoffice, apparently quickoffice doesn't acknowledge having multiple lines in a cell Jan 03 06:09:23 it there an easy way to tell a headless app not to close when the last visible window closes? Jan 03 06:09:53 from my testing, the only way i found to do that was to launch it again Jan 03 06:10:18 lovely... thanks Jan 03 06:10:56 i wonder how the facebook app does it :/ Jan 03 06:11:55 sugardave: are you still up? Jan 03 06:12:21 * EricBlade goes looking for Android apps to fill this problem Jan 03 06:12:58 * EricBlade wonders why a mobile office document viewer needs "Prevent phone from sleeping", "Read phone state", and "Read Contact Data" permissions Jan 03 06:14:12 EricBlade: so it can prevent the phone from sleeping while uploading all of your personal data of course Jan 03 06:15:56 ThinkFree Office: "You agree not to do any of the following while using the Site, Content, Service, or Your Files: ... " .. my files? Jan 03 06:16:42 "Your Files" must mean a section of their online site, not "my files" Jan 03 06:17:07 ... so i hit accept, and the touchpad reboots. Jan 03 06:24:23 so change the name of the button Jan 03 06:31:33 none of the Android office apps can read the damn sheet either Jan 03 06:34:31 yay! i can view it from webOS. I have to login to my gmail account from the Basic HTML interface, then go to the email in question, and hit "View as HTML" Jan 03 06:35:49 more yay - the words with friends people just put out an update today that fixes it in CM7 on TouchPad Jan 03 06:37:38 boo - it doesn't actually work right, it just doesn't crash now Jan 03 06:44:17 EricBlade: when you mentioned launch the app again, did you mean like have the app launch the whole window again, or just the headless part? Jan 03 06:45:40 just the headless part Jan 03 06:46:25 dumdedumdumDUM Jan 03 06:46:36 hahaha sorry... its late Jan 03 06:49:50 hmm.. according to JayCanuck, the mimetype stuff is useful, and doesn't necessarily get your app nuked by the scanner Jan 03 06:50:35 hm... interesting Jan 03 06:52:26 oh.. he does say later in the post that it does get your app rejected. argh Jan 03 06:56:12 PreWare it is! jk Jan 03 06:56:30 invalidopcode: s/W/w/ Jan 03 06:56:38 oops, sorry Jan 03 06:57:07 Preware itself uses the mime stuff :) Jan 03 06:59:56 ah, cool... ok i think im pretty much failing at this headless app thing Jan 03 07:00:14 i got it in a re-launch loop which crashes luna after a while Jan 03 07:03:07 rwhitby: that reminds me, on my 2.2.4 pre2, i have preware configured as a justtype search, but it doesn't work Jan 03 07:03:45 invalidopcode: launch it with a parameter that it knows it shouldn't open it's windows Jan 03 07:04:20 EricBlade: I dunno anything about the justtype stuff Jan 03 07:04:25 EricBlade: that what i'm trying to do, but for some reason its not obeying it :/ Jan 03 07:23:39 this is weird... i think my app created its own solution... it keeps putting a blank notification in the dashboard, which keeps the app open, i guess Jan 03 07:27:20 yeah a dashboard window will keep the app open Jan 03 07:27:25 until someone throws the dashboard Jan 03 07:29:41 the basic rule is you need a visible window or dashboard Jan 03 07:30:51 yeah, but what's weird is that i didn't tell it to do that, at least intentionally, so im not sure where that dashboard notification is comming from :/ Jan 03 07:31:41 im thinking the best way to do this would probably be implementing it as a service Jan 03 07:34:14 though, idk maybe having a little dashboard that says "Boxcar running" might now be that bad of an idea Jan 03 07:34:33 anyway, ill work on it tomorrow. night everyone! Jan 03 07:34:55 night Jan 03 07:35:02 nite wrea Jan 03 07:35:19 i was saying night to invalidopcode :P Jan 03 07:35:30 I'll probably be up until 2 tonight Jan 03 07:35:47 night wrea haha Jan 03 07:36:13 ka6sox, get through compiling the toolchain? Jan 03 07:36:38 wrea, yes, puff and sconix found the bugs :D Jan 03 07:36:56 just a couple of errant config switches Jan 03 07:37:18 disabling tests fixed it then :) Jan 03 07:37:35 I'm not sure when wrea sleeps Jan 03 07:37:41 weird sconix or I didnt get that when we were working on it Jan 03 07:37:48 seems to always be here Jan 03 07:38:21 wrea, its because you use server Jan 03 07:38:52 and up until the addition of libSDL and libPDL you didn't need that to do mojo/enyo/kernels. Jan 03 07:39:38 I dont use server, nor the same version as the autobuild server. I should though :\ Jan 03 07:40:08 wrea, what *do* you use? Jan 03 07:40:09 dwc-: im starting to think the same Jan 03 07:40:22 11.04 desktop Jan 03 07:40:38 ah, I am using 10.04 desktop Jan 03 07:41:11 Once I get the pulse stuff going, im switching to Mint and I'll just run 10.04 in a vm Jan 03 07:41:40 wrea, good plan Jan 03 07:41:50 I only go from LTS to LTS. Jan 03 07:43:20 hewball, I sleep, eventually :P Jan 03 07:44:13 wrea: sure.... Jan 03 07:44:49 hello Jan 03 07:45:39 :P Jan 03 07:50:49 hewball, your shady ebay touchpad ship yet? Jan 03 07:51:50 ugh.. my trip to wisconsin is going to take me through Gary, Indiana Jan 03 07:52:19 I'm from Detroit, and that place gives me the creeps Jan 03 07:52:26 wrea: nah they were dodgy, as expected Jan 03 07:53:00 EricBlade, lol Jan 03 07:54:44 hewball, yeah... Jan 03 07:55:48 hmm. Google says it's going to take me 9 hrs to get there, Bing says 6. Jan 03 08:04:24 Do it in 2. Jan 03 08:06:24 Do a barrel roll! Jan 03 08:06:27 Yeah, you dont have a flying car? Jan 03 08:11:02 sprint pixi for $35 Jan 03 08:15:33 wrea: quick, tell Tommy Jan 03 08:15:48 lol Jan 03 08:16:09 then he'd need to sell two Jan 03 08:16:30 since I dont think he sold the one he was trying to yet Jan 03 08:17:42 then he'd be here even more Jan 03 08:18:00 you say that as if it's a bad thing ... Jan 03 11:15:21 well, everyone in webOS world, I'm going to go away for a week. I'll try to check in while I'm gone, though Jan 03 11:15:40 ya'all be good, don't get the whole operating system cancelled while i'm away ok Jan 03 15:42:42 does the pre display cover fit to pre3? Jan 03 15:53:13 no. Jan 03 16:45:38 * halfhalo yawns Jan 03 17:37:59 hi, i put my device into developer mode and am using novaterm to open up a terminal to it Jan 03 17:38:16 it's a hp touchpad, however most things are mounted as read-only Jan 03 17:39:02 googling around none of the 'guides' ever mention it'll be read only, most give the impression you are good to go in modifying system files Jan 03 17:39:22 anyway, what do i do? i just want to modify /etc/hosts Jan 03 17:40:06 rootfs_open -w Jan 03 17:40:08 ? Jan 03 17:40:34 it will go back to readonly after a reboot Jan 03 17:41:48 thanks Jan 03 17:42:00 np Jan 03 17:53:27 or mount -o rw,remount / and then when you're done modifying files do a mount -o ro,remount / Jan 03 17:53:41 and he's not even here anymore =( Jan 03 18:08:10 http://www.cultofmac.com/137665/hps-webos-debacle-more-terrible-than-apples-worst-days-says-former-exec/ Jan 03 18:08:10 ouch Jan 03 18:46:10 Streamline the product line, for starters. Jan 03 18:46:14 really? Jan 03 18:46:20 how many products are in this product line? Jan 03 18:47:32 I assume the article meant in general Jan 03 18:47:41 particularly if they're talking about webOS on EVERYTHING Jan 03 18:47:58 but we dont' have webos on everything Jan 03 18:48:08 we have webos on not-a-whole-damn-lot Jan 03 18:48:19 I don't disagree Jan 03 18:48:45 I've always thought lack-of-devices was more of the problem than too-many-devices ... Jan 03 18:49:02 that and nobody carrying the newer devices Jan 03 18:49:14 it's clearly been a big issue for Apple >_> Jan 03 18:55:27 what product line Jan 03 18:55:34 * fxspec06 facepalm Jan 03 18:56:10 the product line that should have gone pre3 -> touchpad -> veer Jan 03 18:56:14 not the other way around Jan 03 18:56:46 no, the veer shouldn't have happened Jan 03 18:56:46 I don't know, I love my veer Jan 03 18:57:04 its awesome, but it wasn't the phone people were waiting for Jan 03 18:57:09 true Jan 03 18:57:13 right the people that bought it like it. but no one bought it Jan 03 18:57:14 pre3 is what everyone wanted Jan 03 18:57:25 the one irritating thing is that stupid magnetic headphone jack Jan 03 18:57:29 it should have been first, before the tp Jan 03 18:57:50 yep Jan 03 18:58:07 i don't think anyone disagrees Jan 03 18:59:34 stop disagreeing with me! Jan 03 18:59:50 I'm not! Jan 03 19:01:22 summatusmentis: yeah, that's one reason I could never use the veer Jan 03 19:01:26 I use headphones way too much. Jan 03 19:01:33 Tibfib_: psh, bluetooth Jan 03 19:02:09 bluetooth doesn't have the sound quality that wired headphones can provide Jan 03 19:02:12 never used bluetooth headphones… or anything really Jan 03 19:04:20 I really like my koss portapros Jan 03 19:04:24 (that I need to get fixed) Jan 03 19:06:36 * oilsworkn uses his plantronics A2DP headset a lot Jan 03 19:07:10 * halfhalo hugs his shures Jan 03 19:07:26 Tibfib_: sad you didn't win that precentral thing, i voted for koto Jan 03 19:07:28 i used to use my headset. but never for music Jan 03 19:08:01 i voted for koto too Jan 03 19:08:09 aww, thanks! Jan 03 19:08:20 I don't really feel bad Jan 03 19:08:27 you should Jan 03 19:08:34 hahahah Jan 03 19:08:36 ya, you got robbed Jan 03 19:08:36 wait, what are we talking about Jan 03 19:08:37 ? Jan 03 19:09:28 smartphone app of the year Jan 03 19:09:48 was that what it was? i thought it was in the best music app category or something Jan 03 19:09:53 Check out my 2nd patent: http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat8088004.pdf Jan 03 19:10:02 (yes, I'm gloating today) Jan 03 19:10:37 sugardave: cool story, bro Jan 03 19:10:38 lol Jan 03 19:10:46 a2dp works pretty well Jan 03 19:10:47 hehe Jan 03 19:10:49 just doesn't work so well for movies Jan 03 19:11:05 yeah Jan 03 19:11:08 unless your player has a manual a-v sync control Jan 03 19:11:08 I love my veer.. Jan 03 19:11:10 (a la mplayer) Jan 03 19:11:20 but then again, I tend to like obsolete technology ;) Jan 03 19:11:22 sugardave who is Ori? Jan 03 19:11:24 david sugar freeman? Jan 03 19:11:39 dwc-: claro que si Jan 03 19:11:42 hotdp: A colleague of mine from IBM...smart smart guy Jan 03 19:11:46 the bad guys from the last seasons of sg1? Jan 03 19:11:55 he used to work for ZoneAlarm when they were starting up Jan 03 19:11:56 sugardave: can I ask why that's patentable? Jan 03 19:12:05 no you may not Jan 03 19:12:09 that seems like pretty basic logic Jan 03 19:12:14 because teh patent office said so! Jan 03 19:12:20 did any1 already try enyo apps on a android phone ( even though its illigal ) ? Jan 03 19:12:31 summatusmentis: because we searched prior art and found none, IBM was incentivizing us to "GET PATENTS" and so on and so on Jan 03 19:12:38 hrm Jan 03 19:12:40 Simpson_2: it's not illegal if you don't distribute it... Jan 03 19:12:54 but I mean, the diagram looks like an if-else statement, essentially Jan 03 19:13:01 Tibfib_, that is true as well, but doesn't answer my question ;) Jan 03 19:13:09 it's the ambient temperature module piece Jan 03 19:13:12 that was the original idea Jan 03 19:13:32 simulations (games in my mind) would react to data from your local temperature Jan 03 19:13:33 oh, so it's more than the "if temp data do something, otherwise do something else" piece Jan 03 19:13:47 humm Jan 03 19:13:53 sugardave: how long does it last? Jan 03 19:14:20 hotdp: not sure I see it says "extended 1104 days" Jan 03 19:14:29 foreva! Jan 03 19:15:31 no, those are diamonds Jan 03 19:15:51 semantics Jan 03 19:16:19 I'm more interested in the last one I submitted to them to make it out...and then someone needs to make it happen Jan 03 19:16:45 hehe Jan 03 19:16:49 how much does it cost? Jan 03 19:17:17 what's the last one? Jan 03 19:17:30 and how do I submit a patent? Jan 03 19:17:31 >_> Jan 03 19:17:31 the process for approval? no idea, that's why IBM gets the assignee, it was all handled by their patent lawyers Jan 03 19:17:42 I"m just an idea monkey :P Jan 03 19:17:54 it was a joke Jan 03 19:17:56 patents are cheap when you have in-house legal do it Jan 03 19:18:02 "how can I steal your idea?" Jan 03 19:18:08 summatusmentis: that was for hotdp Jan 03 19:18:16 dwc-: that is correct Jan 03 19:18:16 oh Jan 03 19:18:21 ignore me then Jan 03 19:18:22 summatusmentis, the patent process is all laid out @ the USPTO site. Jan 03 19:18:29 (assuming you mean a US patent) Jan 03 19:18:29 hahahaha Jan 03 19:19:02 what I learned about patents is that shit takes FOREVER to finally get through all the hoops and finalized Jan 03 19:19:13 sugardave, yup Jan 03 19:27:03 in the office, the question "does anybody want a squirt?" brought far too much laughing Jan 03 19:28:58 they must all still be drunk Jan 03 19:29:01 squirt is definitely the worst lemon-lime soda Jan 03 19:29:15 agreed Jan 03 19:30:26 its good in moderation Jan 03 19:30:43 or as a mixer Jan 03 19:31:09 or you could get a real soda which is always good Jan 03 19:31:59 i mean, if i ended up with one i would be able to drink it Jan 03 19:32:14 i bought a grape crush from the vending machine a while ago, i couldn't even drink half of it Jan 03 19:32:18 haha Jan 03 19:32:41 hey everyone, my coworker is selling his (seriously barely unused) touchpad and a few of the official accessories if anyone wants to jump on it in the next 30 minutes Jan 03 19:32:42 http://www.ebay.com/itm/260926433164 Jan 03 19:32:56 it's basically a full kit Jan 03 19:33:01 yeah, coworker, wink wink Jan 03 19:33:23 :) Jan 03 19:33:42 barely unused sounds like it's about to die Jan 03 19:33:53 lol Jan 03 19:33:54 whups Jan 03 19:33:55 haha Jan 03 19:34:08 barely unused? it says barely used Jan 03 19:34:08 at least I didn't say 'barely usable'! Jan 03 19:34:17