**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 02:59:58 2012 Jan 04 03:04:08 are there any other browsers for the TP? Jan 04 03:05:15 Beavis and Butthead? Jan 04 03:10:00 Lonestar99: Advanced Browser? Jan 04 03:19:32 invalidopcode: ok thanks Jan 04 04:03:03 advanced browser is awesome. Jan 04 04:21:13 In enyo, how do I put a toolbar at the top instead of the bottom of the screen? Jan 04 04:21:41 I'm porting my iOS app to the touchpad, and I want to keep the toolbar at the top to make sure the UI is almost identical Jan 04 04:22:10 you just put it there Jan 04 04:22:22 kind: enyo.Toolbar Jan 04 04:22:39 sugardave: In the manual, it says it goes at the bottom https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/toolbars.html Jan 04 04:22:52 hold a sec, let's see Jan 04 04:23:13 well, it's wrong Jan 04 04:23:26 I justchanged an enyo.Header to eny.Toolbar and it is at the top Jan 04 04:23:44 ok. I'll try it out. Jan 04 04:27:48 coolstar-pc: it _typically_ goes at the bottom. not required Jan 04 04:28:07 that is its intended use Jan 04 04:29:53 you could probably put one in the middle if you wanted too Jan 04 04:30:11 wanted to* Jan 04 04:30:39 actually, i guess either too or to would have fit well in that sentence Jan 04 04:30:53 I'm trying to test out an enyo app, and I run into an error where enyo.js is not found. What's the path I should put in the script to load? Jan 04 04:31:13 [20120103-20:22:20.404664] error: Not allowed to load local resource: file:///media/cryptofs/apps/framework/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js Jan 04 04:31:36 I'm gonna try sshing into the emulator to try to search for it Jan 04 04:32:12 there's no framework directory in /media/cryptofs/apps Jan 04 04:32:21 coolstar-pc: webos should automatically set the path for enyo.js Jan 04 04:33:34 usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/0.10/framework/enyo.js Jan 04 04:33:51 find / -name "enyo.js" :3 Jan 04 04:33:59 minus the :3 Jan 04 04:34:14 Brybry: that command will reboot some webOS devices Jan 04 04:34:19 really? Jan 04 04:34:22 yep Jan 04 04:34:23 that's good to know Jan 04 04:34:35 yay my pre3 has appcat skype. I'm a week behind the news Jan 04 04:34:37 when I run ls "ls" in /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo, I get 3 directories Jan 04 04:34:46 0.10, 0.9, and 1.0 Jan 04 04:35:45 Yay! my hello world app works! Jan 04 04:35:52 Now time to add the widgets I need Jan 04 04:35:55 * dwc- wonders why it's partly packaged as "com.palm" and "com.palm.app.skype" Jan 04 04:53:11 just out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in helping test my boxcar push notification client when its done? Jan 04 05:52:00 * invalidopcode hates working with encryption :/ Jan 04 05:58:51 How do I capture the enter key press in an enyo text field? Jan 04 06:00:31 invalidopcode, fxspec06, Brybry: Any ideas on capturing when the "enter" key is pressed in an enyo text field? Jan 04 06:02:26 coolstar-pc: hm... maybe use the onchange event? Jan 04 06:11:50 I should see how easy it would be to build an enyo app for the research project I'm working with Jan 04 06:16:05 summatusmentis: what's your research project about? Jan 04 06:17:02 well, ok, so, the group I work with works on it, I'm not directly a part of it (working on something else) Jan 04 06:17:12 but http://cyclopath.org/ Jan 04 06:17:26 but since enyo is being OSSd Jan 04 06:17:40 it would mean easy deployment to many platforms (not just android) Jan 04 06:18:47 looks like an interesting app Jan 04 06:19:34 it's a geowiki Jan 04 06:19:44 personalized routing Jan 04 06:19:52 user-modification of the map Jan 04 06:20:34 ah, cool. Jan 04 06:21:05 yeah that would neat to have on webos Jan 04 06:21:20 I wonder how feasible that stuff becomes Jan 04 06:21:39 oh Jan 04 06:21:49 I guess, only downside? it's specific to MN Jan 04 06:22:06 oh :/ Jan 04 06:22:08 I didn't think about that Jan 04 06:22:26 we don't have the resources to make it nation-wide/world-wide Jan 04 06:22:40 i guess it wouldn't be too helpful for me in california :P Jan 04 06:23:42 dang this would be really awesome if it was nationwide Jan 04 06:24:25 :/ Jan 04 06:24:54 invalidopcode: if you've got funding, we'd probably work with you to deploy it :) Jan 04 06:25:24 (it currently runs on one server, in our building) Jan 04 06:25:29 funding? :) Jan 04 06:25:32 * PatrickC reads backlog Jan 04 06:26:32 summatusmentis: im a HS student, i don't have that kind of money :P Jan 04 06:26:47 invalidopcode, what year? Jan 04 06:27:12 PatrickC: why do you want to know? :P junior Jan 04 06:27:25 lol. 10th grade here :) Jan 04 06:27:35 PatrickC: ah nice! Jan 04 06:27:43 yep Jan 04 06:28:24 summatusmentis: you might want to see if other universities would be interested in expanding it on their systems Jan 04 06:28:43 * PatrickC goes to finish and see if he can get win 8 booted Jan 04 06:31:21 academia... all about bringing funding Jan 04 06:33:42 * invalidopcode learned tonight that IRC can turn 30 mins of hw into 2+ hours Jan 04 06:36:36 ugh, i wish there was a way to call a service in webos like a normal blocking function without all this callback stuff Jan 04 06:37:02 invalidopcode: :-D I'm a first year student. Apparently they tried with someone in colorado, and it fell through Jan 04 06:38:15 summatusmentis: ah haha ok. maybe they should try like UCSD, i hear they have plenty of extra students there Jan 04 06:39:14 or maybe you guys could do a bunch of car washes and bake sales and buy another server :P Jan 04 06:40:14 lolol Jan 04 06:40:30 invalidopcode, i found that out long ago haha Jan 04 06:41:41 summatusmentis: my school got a new server over the summer (which i got to build) i think it was like ~$1000 :P Jan 04 06:42:22 invalidopcode, lucky! lol Jan 04 06:42:38 im homeschooled... i dont get to build my schools servers :/ Jan 04 06:43:18 haha i go to a small private school, so like no one knows anything about technology except a few parents so i get to manage servers and stuff :P Jan 04 06:43:59 im the only student who's allowed to carry around a touchpad without any of the staff caring :P Jan 04 06:44:27 i went to a (really) small private school for my 7th grade year Jan 04 06:44:32 haha nice Jan 04 06:44:37 phone too? :) Jan 04 06:45:22 haha yup :P but don't use my phone that often anyway Jan 04 06:45:36 invalidopcode, i noticed that the server you are connecting from is sbcglobal.net .. what server is that? Jan 04 06:45:58 my.... ISP's i guess Jan 04 06:46:04 at&t's i think Jan 04 06:46:14 i got an email to webOSroundup with a question from that server (they misspelled the email URL) but it returned as an invalid email Jan 04 06:46:15 ah ok Jan 04 06:47:15 invalidopcode: we need a pretty high-end server Jan 04 06:47:22 the routing algorithm takes a lot of ram Jan 04 06:48:06 sbcglobal used to be an ISP Jan 04 06:48:11 summatusmentis: ah, then the stuff we got probably wouldn't be good enough Jan 04 06:48:14 got bought by AT&T Jan 04 06:48:51 sbc, formerly ma bell Jan 04 06:48:54 at&t, formerly ma bell Jan 04 06:49:01 well, you know Jan 04 06:49:13 lol Jan 04 06:49:28 ok i think im going to save this password in plaintext, because this encryption service is becoming way to much to deal with for just one password Jan 04 06:49:48 what app is this? Jan 04 06:49:48 whats the password for? Jan 04 06:50:05 its my boxcar.io client Jan 04 06:50:45 * PatrickC wishes he had more then 3gb ram Jan 04 06:51:12 im trying to decide if its overkill to encrypt a password to a notification service Jan 04 06:51:17 * PatrickC just signed up for boxcar.io Jan 04 06:51:43 PatrickC: would you like to help me test when i get closer to finishing? Jan 04 06:51:44 absolutely not Jan 04 06:51:56 research suggests that people use the same password for everything Jan 04 06:51:59 invalidopcode, sure! Jan 04 06:52:05 encrypt that shit Jan 04 06:52:13 and with that Jan 04 06:52:15 PatrickC: awesome, thanks Jan 04 06:52:16 * summatusmentis & Jan 04 06:53:07 summatusmentis: :/ why can't there just be like a nice encrypt("stuff") and decrypt("stuff") and have the OS handle all the keys and everything? Jan 04 06:53:53 man. this seems like a really long 15 minutes :/ Jan 04 06:54:11 PatrickC: what do you mean? Jan 04 06:54:29 im installing the 4.8 GB windows 8 to my VHD i just made Jan 04 06:54:36 can take >15 min Jan 04 06:55:09 haha like this? http://xkcd.com/612/ Jan 04 06:55:53 haha Jan 04 06:56:45 kinda :P Jan 04 06:56:52 http://www.hyper-v.nu/archives/hvredevoort/2011/09/how-to-boot-from-vhd-with-windows-8-developer-preview/ Jan 04 06:57:04 their 47 seconds makes me mad lol Jan 04 06:58:59 ah haha. i just have a spare partition that i use for testing different linux distros and i just used that for windows 8 Jan 04 06:59:27 i dont re-partition Jan 04 06:59:33 i use VHD's Jan 04 06:59:51 ah Jan 04 07:00:09 and i dont have and DVD'd that will hold this version of windows 8 :) Jan 04 07:00:20 this one is 4.8 GB iirc Jan 04 07:01:58 i think it still fits on a normal single layer dvd... ooo unless you downloaded the large developer one Jan 04 07:02:21 i did Jan 04 07:02:26 lol Jan 04 07:02:36 i think i just downloaded the normal one, and then installed VS 11 after it installed Jan 04 07:02:38 i love expression Jan 04 07:02:48 expression 5 is a must Jan 04 07:02:54 For some reason the touchpad emulator is using 50% CPU! Jan 04 07:04:03 I guess my app is probably leaking memory Jan 04 07:04:10 when I quit it, it went back to 4% Jan 04 07:07:46 * PatrickC wonders/hopes this didnt lock up... Jan 04 07:12:13 BSoD Jan 04 07:13:55 brb rebooting to install windows 8 :) Jan 04 07:14:08 PatrickC: good luck Jan 04 07:37:40 encryption done... lovely. night everyone! Jan 04 07:52:46 so... anyone running windows 8? Jan 04 07:52:56 * PatrickC just installed it. wondering if the SDK works on it Jan 04 08:07:29 hello everyone Jan 04 08:07:42 hey Jan 04 08:08:16 hey EricBlade-TP Jan 04 08:08:52 we have arrived in wisconsin. freaking BRRRR Jan 04 08:09:38 rental car tells us it's 28 degrees outside... pull up weather report on the TouchPad, "Feels Like -10" wth Jan 04 08:10:05 lol Jan 04 08:10:42 have i missed anything good? Jan 04 08:10:45 or bad Jan 04 08:11:06 not afaik Jan 04 08:11:09 i see the app catalog hasn't updated yet :| Jan 04 08:11:39 oh, they announced webos won't be oss for 4-5 years Jan 04 08:11:47 * PatrickC ducks :-) Jan 04 08:12:23 j/k Jan 04 08:13:15 looks like everyone else is getting bored with the app catalog too, my sales dropped dramatically today Jan 04 08:31:17 EricBlade-TP, Yeah, I havent gone into the app catalog until today, since I knew nothing would be updated Jan 04 09:13:24 been trying to figure this one out..is it a problem with how the software developer created the software?....on my hp touchpad some applications will run but in a very small window..inside what looks like a picture of a tablet Jan 04 09:16:00 alternut: those are phone apps Jan 04 09:16:25 any way to expand their size? Jan 04 09:16:27 the developer can make them full-screen, but also have to add back buttons to replace the missing gesture area Jan 04 09:17:41 can i run them as full screen or is that only something the dev can change? Jan 04 09:18:27 you would have to change the source code, and would not be able to control the app since the touchpad has no gesture area Jan 04 09:19:46 k Jan 04 09:19:47 contact the developer and ask if there is a touchpad version Jan 04 09:19:53 thanks Jan 04 09:31:38 * PatrickC wanders in Jan 04 09:35:09 hey.. Jan 04 09:35:33 can i call a javascript file .js in enyo framework Jan 04 09:35:36 ? Jan 04 09:39:16 all javascript files in enyo end in .js ... Jan 04 09:41:09 * PatrickC wonders if emacs is worth trying to master.. there is so many plugins out for it.... Jan 04 09:41:19 oh well, something to ponder when I wake up :) Jan 04 09:41:20 night all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 10:54:15 2012 Jan 04 11:51:54 is that correct English? "On New Year SALE for the first week after release!" Jan 04 11:53:38 technically, but it's ugly Jan 04 11:53:57 directhex: so how does it sound better? Jan 04 11:55:15 hm, not sure. hell, uncapitalizing sale might be enough to make it read properly Jan 04 11:56:04 ok that might be true Jan 04 14:45:06 hello guys Jan 04 15:37:01 hello panel Jan 04 17:15:25 * halfhalo goes to scrounge up some food from this empty campus of his Jan 04 17:15:52 why's it empty? another bomb threat? Jan 04 17:16:02 no, just winter break Jan 04 17:16:20 only thing open is a fake 7-11 which has no real food Jan 04 17:16:36 I hate that most places on college campuses don't sell real food Jan 04 17:17:18 they sell crappy fast food? Jan 04 17:17:35 it normally has those wrapped samiches, but none right now, and the subway next door is closed. Jan 04 17:18:10 Theres also a panda express, bk, el pollo loco, and smoothie place along with a cafeteria and burger place, but all closed till next week Jan 04 17:18:48 but chipotle is open.... hmmm Jan 04 17:24:57 you need to get some chipotlaway first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XNOiZfcNz0&feature=related Jan 04 17:43:42 college campuses should have supermarkets on campus, instead of cafeterias. Jan 04 17:43:53 <<<< is a genius Jan 04 17:44:32 cause they're going to go shopping and cook in their dorm? Jan 04 17:44:55 hot pockets, man....hot pockets Jan 04 17:45:04 college kids don't buy camping stoves these days? Jan 04 17:45:17 you dont need a whole supermarket to sell hot pockets Jan 04 17:45:32 unless you want EVERY KIND OF HOTPOCKET EVER Jan 04 17:45:58 lean pockets are gross Jan 04 17:46:02 you need a variety Jan 04 17:46:03 that would still fit in a closet Jan 04 17:46:48 how about ... college campus's have supermarkets that cook the food you buy Jan 04 17:47:08 fxspec06: thats called a cafeteria... Jan 04 17:47:24 they could name it "rent-a-wife" or similar Jan 04 17:48:01 cafeterias are gross. i worked at college cafeteria for 2 months, and let me tell you: nobody there cares about what they're cooking Jan 04 17:50:20 im not surprised Jan 04 17:50:41 hey everybody, FreeDOS 1.1 is now available!!! Jan 04 17:50:54 lol Jan 04 17:54:45 sugardave: you should probably port it Jan 04 18:08:44 isn't there already dos something or other for webos? Jan 04 18:09:13 dosbox? Jan 04 18:09:23 fxspec06: we could tell Jan 04 18:17:35 like after working there. i don't understand how anyone can ever eat from one. Jan 04 18:18:44 maybe other folk care? Jan 04 18:18:54 a year ago there was only one webOS device in my house (my pre+) and now there are 5 Jan 04 18:19:36 it reproduced! Jan 04 18:20:01 * oilsworkn feeds his pre2 tonight after dark Jan 04 18:22:26 oilsworkn, that'd probably make it turn into an iPhone Jan 04 18:28:56 it's water that makes the gremlins reproduce, but I'm not sure I'd recommend trying it with your pre2 Jan 04 18:30:25 watering your Pre2 is NOT approved. Jan 04 18:31:43 oh, thats what it was, yeah Jan 04 18:33:04 my pre- took a bath in a sink and survived, but did not duplicate :-/ Jan 04 18:33:44 aww Jan 04 18:33:56 well, was it after midnight? Jan 04 18:34:27 lol that's true, it was morning Jan 04 18:34:45 pre2s, after dark Jan 04 18:34:47 though with gremlins it's feeding after midnight right? Jan 04 18:35:27 nobody knows Jan 04 18:35:33 someone go watch the movie and report back Jan 04 18:37:07 its no feeding after midnight Jan 04 18:38:08 * oilsworkn was originally right! Jan 04 18:41:16 * ka6sox envisions lil shoppe of horrors. Jan 04 19:54:04 what the hell... I boot into windows for like 2 hours, reboot into osx and have 68 new goddamn emails... ffffff Jan 04 19:54:13 lol Jan 04 19:54:17 hey halfhalo long time no see Jan 04 19:58:23 * halfhalo boots back into windows Jan 04 19:59:22 * oilsworkn thinks halfhalo needs vbox Jan 04 20:00:11 controlling a vm from inside a vm is not fun. it really isn't Jan 04 20:00:45 must go deeper? Jan 04 20:00:53 what... why don't you just control the VM from OS X? Jan 04 20:01:24 because its being controller through the vsphere client right now, which is windows only Jan 04 20:01:33 oh Jan 04 20:01:35 psh Jan 04 20:01:45 you and your corporate products Jan 04 20:04:58 this is gonna be a while... Jan 04 20:33:42 yum, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtbQWQFg5NY&feature=player_embedded Jan 04 20:35:17 you guys hookup? Jan 04 20:35:52 cant watch it. no flash :/ Jan 04 20:36:06 it is alpha version of plex media client Jan 04 20:36:08 for webos Jan 04 20:36:29 nice Jan 04 20:36:31 what plex? Jan 04 20:36:50 it's a derivitive of xbmc Jan 04 20:36:54 www.plexapp.com Jan 04 20:37:36 that icon looks so much like the readitlater icon haha Jan 04 20:38:15 PatrickC: what device are you on that doesn't have flash? Jan 04 20:39:32 summatusmentis: linux Jan 04 20:39:35 11.10 Jan 04 20:39:52 and there's no flash? Jan 04 20:40:01 also, 11.10 is the Ubuntu version number Jan 04 20:40:15 wait.. no, this is mint 12 iirc haha Jan 04 20:40:31 i went to adobe's site, and tried to download it, it told me that there was no download for mint Jan 04 20:41:28 PatrickC fails Jan 04 20:41:42 the ubuntu download (apt) doesnt work. normally it does Jan 04 20:41:49 says that it cant find the channel that they use Jan 04 20:41:50 so use the 'other' Jan 04 20:42:16 i thought youtube did html5 for flashless clients Jan 04 20:42:56 dwc-: there are 3 different things for other lol Jan 04 20:44:57 * PatrickC joined the html5 thing on youtube. its an opt-in thing Jan 04 20:45:03 trout: nice :) Jan 04 20:46:47 so which one of the 'others' will work for you Jan 04 20:48:45 not sure Jan 04 20:48:52 dont matter, i went to the html5 youtube Jan 04 20:48:57 well then Jan 04 20:50:20 I can tell you at least one of those will work for you Jan 04 20:50:37 * PatrickC isnt a linux buff Jan 04 20:50:44 but im guessing the tar.gz? Jan 04 20:58:59 sure Jan 04 21:04:53 PatrickC: new versions of mint are debian based, iirc Jan 04 21:04:57 not ubuntu Jan 04 21:05:03 ah Jan 04 21:05:09 I _think_ Jan 04 23:04:24 anyone here reasonable with regex? Jan 04 23:04:34 somewhat Jan 04 23:04:49 ^(\d{11,12})$|^(\d{6})$ Jan 04 23:04:53 "It looks like you're trying to match text. Would you like help with that?" Jan 04 23:05:18 exec that with a 6 digit number (or 11-12 digit), and it gives me 3 matches Jan 04 23:05:45 and i'm only expecting two... is there something i'm missing? Jan 04 23:06:05 trying... Jan 04 23:08:00 (js line...) new RegExp("^(\\d{11,12})$|^(\\d{6})$").exec("690369") Jan 04 23:08:12 > '123456'.match(/^(\d{11,12}|\d{6})$/) Jan 04 23:08:12 ["123456", "123456"] Jan 04 23:08:13 > '123451234512'.match(/^(\d{11,12}|\d{6})$/) Jan 04 23:08:13 ["123451234512", "123451234512"] Jan 04 23:08:13 > '12123451234512'.match(/^(\d{11,12}|\d{6})$/) Jan 04 23:08:13 null Jan 04 23:08:14 > '12'.match(/^(\d{11,12}|\d{6})$/) Jan 04 23:08:14 null Jan 04 23:08:15 i get an array with a length of 3 Jan 04 23:08:25 i changed the regexp Jan 04 23:08:28 match, not exec? Jan 04 23:08:52 im using the js literal notation for regexp Jan 04 23:09:18 i need each one as a group, that's why i had it formatted that way Jan 04 23:09:48 okay, so on yours, why is the match 2 items and not 1? Jan 04 23:10:25 thats a good question :) Jan 04 23:11:03 i'm wondering if the first one is the full match (maybe if there was some replacement, it might be different?) Jan 04 23:11:44 its supposed to match 6, 11 or 12 characters only? Jan 04 23:11:50 correct Jan 04 23:12:14 and i need them in different groups so i know which type it was Jan 04 23:12:24 oh Jan 04 23:12:33 Wild'n Video Poker is now on webOS, iOS, and Android. Jan 04 23:12:44 (otherwise i would have used the way you showed) Jan 04 23:18:11 items 1 and 2 in the array seem correct, i'm just wondering what 0 is and why it's there Jan 04 23:19:11 hey HattCzech_work long time no see :) Jan 04 23:19:17 fxspec06: i dont see RIM on there :P Jan 04 23:19:33 PatrickC: indeed Jan 04 23:19:47 work has had me way too busy, which irritates me Jan 04 23:19:54 cuz then i don't finish my fun projects :) Jan 04 23:20:55 lol Jan 04 23:28:15 hmm do spinners not work in toasters? Jan 04 23:28:33 my z order is prob too high for my toaster Jan 04 23:29:35 HattCzech_work: index 0 of the match is probably the whole string you matched against Jan 04 23:30:02 we use spinners in spaz hd.. in popups though, not toasters Jan 04 23:31:53 sugardave: you are correct Jan 04 23:32:20 woo! Jan 04 23:32:41 it just so happens that each match is a full match, and there are two of them Jan 04 23:33:09 ah, yeah confusing Jan 04 23:33:26 much clearer if i break it into 3 part sections Jan 04 23:33:44 yeah, dont use the parens Jan 04 23:39:27 oh, duh: Jan 04 23:39:33 this: /^\d{6}?$|^\d{11,12}?$/ Jan 04 23:39:57 need the ? in there to make it match exactly that range Jan 04 23:40:10 ["123456"] Jan 04 23:40:10 null Jan 04 23:40:17 /^\d{6}?$|^\d{11,12}?$/.exec('123456') Jan 04 23:40:18 ["123456"] Jan 04 23:40:18 /^\d{6}?$|^\d{11,12}?$/.exec('1234567') Jan 04 23:40:18 null Jan 04 23:43:32 that help? Jan 04 23:48:53 I hate not having a keyboard Jan 05 00:25:00 spotify just rage quit Jan 05 00:41:03 ? Jan 05 01:50:38 * DougReeder waves hello Jan 05 01:52:55 * trenchant waves with jello Jan 05 01:57:50 That's quite a trick. Jan 05 01:58:26 Hmm, music stopped playing when I launched Graphite. Jan 05 02:24:54 has anyone tried using snapfish on the touchpad? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 05 02:59:57 2012