**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 16 02:59:57 2012 Jan 16 03:00:26 * EricBlade-TP yawns Jan 16 03:01:11 oh dear god star wars 1 in 3d? Jan 16 03:02:15 yeah... Jan 16 03:02:26 it will make millions Jan 16 03:02:28 but suck Jan 16 03:02:34 just like the first lime! Jan 16 03:02:37 never seen it dont plan too.... Jan 16 03:02:57 ill wait for 2 maybe Jan 16 03:03:10 it could be awesome if they like, you know, went back in time and specifically shot/planned it to be 3D Jan 16 03:03:24 i saw the last one that came out what ever that was, made no sense but the CGI wasnt bad Jan 16 03:03:24 I'm pretty against 3d movies in general, but I wouldnt see the first 3 again regardless Jan 16 03:04:01 oh you mean ep 1 Jan 16 03:04:04 sorry Jan 16 03:07:58 yea Jan 16 03:08:18 nothing can save that movie. 3 was alright tho Jan 16 03:20:35 ep 2 is the worst. ep 1 is the next worst Jan 16 04:20:42 i dont remember 2. Jan 16 04:20:50 im not even certain i saw it Jan 16 04:31:49 crap crap crap Jan 16 04:32:00 I have to get something off my old pre2 Jan 16 04:32:16 but it says it has been signed out Jan 16 04:32:25 googling yielded a result to bypass that screen Jan 16 04:39:21 * DougReeder waves hello Jan 16 04:39:42 http://forums.hpwebos.com/t5/webOS-Software/Stuck-In-quot-Signed-Out-quot-Loop-After-webOS-Upgrade/td-p/239450 Jan 16 04:39:52 crap, looks like thats 1.x Jan 16 04:39:59 hi DougReeder Jan 16 04:41:52 Tibfib_: don't let it reboot Jan 16 04:42:01 crap. Jan 16 04:42:07 Tibfib_: do you have developer mode and a command line? Jan 16 04:42:15 get it into recovery mode Jan 16 04:42:27 it's rebooted Jan 16 04:42:32 how far? Jan 16 04:42:39 Whaterever you do, for God's sake, don't let it reboot! Jan 16 04:42:40 pull the battery if it's not too far in Jan 16 04:42:50 at this point it is on the language selection page Jan 16 04:42:51 Am I helping? Jan 16 04:43:00 Tibfib_: you're screwed. everything has been deleted. Jan 16 04:43:07 fffff Jan 16 04:43:15 well that's good to know Jan 16 04:43:19 at least now I won't waste time Jan 16 04:45:02 booooom Jan 16 04:45:09 awesome, was able to find the info I needed another place Jan 16 04:45:24 Derezzed. :-( Jan 16 04:46:45 rwhitby: thanks for help Jan 16 04:48:28 np Jan 16 04:48:29 Sorry for the kibitzing. Jan 16 04:48:38 hah you're fine Jan 16 04:49:01 I thought I was in trouble. I am amazed I was able to find the info elsewhere Jan 16 04:49:36 goodnight everyone Jan 16 04:49:47 Eh, maybe I should stick to the forums. Some of the questions there I can answer. Jan 16 04:50:01 Goognight! Jan 16 04:53:09 I need to resize some JPEGs. Not on the fly, to files. extractfs is out -- I need compressed files. What's available, either from a foreground app, or JS service. Is there a command line app, analogout to ffmpeg? Or would I need to write a plugin or Jan 16 04:53:09 hybrid? Jan 16 04:54:52 * DougReeder sighs. Jan 16 04:57:09 i imagine imagemagick could be built Jan 16 04:57:45 it might even be possible with javascript image manipulation but youd need a way to resave it Jan 16 04:58:23 I need something I could distribute throught the AppCatalog Jan 16 04:58:24 DougReeder: if you can find a node module/some node modules you could do it as a service without a plugin Jan 16 04:58:50 there's several Node module for ImageMagick, but it's notinstalled Jan 16 04:59:28 oh, I see Jan 16 04:59:33 Lots of Node module for image manipulation -- and every one depends on a native component Jan 16 04:59:54 it might not be too difficult to get it as a hybrid Jan 16 05:00:07 If it was video, I could use the command line ffmpeg Jan 16 05:00:39 Hybrid is how I'll probably have to go -- but I'm not sure i have time for that. Jan 16 05:01:05 My next assignment starts in a week or two. Jan 16 05:02:42 Hmm, if I could do a plugin, I could call it from the foreground. Jan 16 05:03:26 Gah, I don't want to learn something whilly new for this -- and I havn't done C++ in 15 years. Jan 16 05:05:12 Yeah, I suck at C and trying to write a service Jan 16 05:05:34 At least there's absolutely no chance I have to use BASIC. Jan 16 05:05:59 Services are different, but still JavaScript. Jan 16 05:06:27 The async idioms are different than foreground code. Jan 16 05:06:55 And with services, you can always write unit tests. Jan 16 05:07:51 There's no image utils with a command line interface? Jan 16 05:11:12 DougReeder, gstreamer? Jan 16 05:12:09 Does taht handle Egs? Jan 16 05:12:29 dammint, does taht handle JPEGs? Jan 16 05:14:21 yeah, webos comes with the jpeg plugin too Jan 16 05:14:29 Hmm, good. Jan 16 05:17:52 Okay, then. Time for me to stop bitching and start reading docs. Jan 16 05:18:02 :) Jan 16 05:18:08 Yay, wterm Jan 16 05:23:26 Is there a way to get wterm to not use the space that it's on-screen keyboard uses? Jan 16 05:23:37 Or to use a BT keyboard? Jan 16 05:27:05 * DougReeder sighs. "Back to xterm, with the tiny font." Jan 16 05:29:41 it does let you hide the keyboard, i dunno if it lets you use a bluetooth one Jan 16 05:30:29 bluetooth keyboards dont work yet Jan 16 05:30:42 wterm will ply nice with its OSK, if you play with it. Jan 16 05:31:33 I don't like OSKs, though they're better than nothing in a pich. Jan 16 05:32:23 Once we get source code, I'll put webOS on a netbook. Or a convertible tablet. Or something with a real keyboard. Jan 16 05:36:54 DougReeder: should be a HP netbook... Jan 16 05:39:55 Nah, taht won't have an ARM processor. Jan 16 05:40:37 dear god tuis touchpad has been SO slow since 305... ugh Jan 16 05:41:07 wterm doesnt work on it now either Jan 16 05:42:14 Not even running at 1.8 Ghz? Jan 16 05:43:02 wont need an arm processor at that point Jan 16 05:43:31 wterm works, just input is weird sometimes Jan 16 05:47:01 i get no terminal, just a keyboard and a blank grey screen Jan 16 05:47:15 weird Jan 16 05:47:46 EricBlade-TP: it did that to me too, reboot fixed it Jan 16 05:49:09 i have rebooted this touchpad like 6 times today it seeems to be the only way to keep it running smooth. no loadavg things happening, top not reporting anything terribly out of the ordinary, but luna is just running terrible ever since the update Jan 16 05:50:47 theres a huge wealth of gstreamer plugins. looks like skype is implemented as gstreamer plugins, at least partially. wonder if it coukd be finagled to do other voip Jan 16 06:03:05 Skype autotune? :-) Jan 16 06:05:22 we could use songify for webos.. Jan 16 18:20:07 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jan 16 18:20:50 i am definitely doctoring this touchpad.. 12 minutes to launch email Jan 16 18:24:07 yipe Jan 16 18:25:12 had to dump it to recovery mode just to get it to doctor, because it wouldn't respond to shutdown or usb connection. Jan 16 18:25:25 12 minutes? that's fast right Jan 16 18:25:31 i thought that was wicked fast Jan 16 18:26:33 my dev pad is OTAing now too, even though fred said dev pads wouldn't get an ota Jan 16 18:28:36 idk what the difference is bt a dev pad and regular pad Jan 16 18:31:01 dev pads point to the sdk test catalog instead of the main Jan 16 18:31:15 oh oh oh those Jan 16 18:31:48 i thought for sure you meant 'hardware related' Jan 16 18:41:51 whoa the status bar is different now Jan 16 18:42:48 that is definitely not the same font size that was in use before Jan 16 18:45:50 pic? Jan 16 18:46:17 it just rebooted, and now it's back to where it used to be Jan 16 18:46:18 maybe you unlocked an 'easter egg' Jan 16 18:46:41 the clock font was like BOLD! or something when it was in the setup program Jan 16 18:47:00 anyone familar with touchevents in enyo? Jan 16 18:47:11 smh italics are better Jan 16 18:47:20 my vkb in wterm uses them and on occasion my app misses an up event Jan 16 18:48:03 i never could get touchend to work.. mouseup seems to work great for me Jan 16 18:48:36 but then the even needs to start on the element Jan 16 18:48:41 event* Jan 16 18:49:57 event needs to start on the element? Jan 16 18:50:01 what does that mean? Jan 16 18:51:06 i think its related to the tap radius Jan 16 18:51:07 but im not sure Jan 16 18:51:47 probably why the webos vkb has such huge gaps around the keys Jan 16 18:51:50 ohhh nice, it remembers what tabs my apps were on! Jan 16 18:51:52 that's new Jan 16 18:52:13 if you set a event listener for 'touchend' on an element, the 'touchstart' can begin on any element on the page. as long as finger lifts on top of the element the touchend will fire Jan 16 18:52:39 with mouseup, this is not the case. the finger must be pressed and lifted on the element for mouseup to fire Jan 16 18:52:47 it doesnt remember their order but oh well Jan 16 18:53:30 fxspec06, what about starting on an element and ending off an element Jan 16 18:54:05 so...make sure you're only trying to use touch events in not-WebViews/IFrames/browser and it should be okay Jan 16 18:54:41 sugardave, im using them on enyo buttons Jan 16 18:54:45 and for the most part they work fine Jan 16 18:54:51 like >95% of the time Jan 16 18:54:56 :/ Jan 16 18:55:00 but sometimes an up event is missed Jan 16 18:55:10 really sucks when its a modifier key Jan 16 18:55:15 indeed Jan 16 18:55:20 still sorta bad with normal key Jan 16 18:55:27 though that will get reverse when repeat is implemented Jan 16 18:55:47 pretty sure mouseup will still fire if you listen for mousedown, on the same element, if the finger is lifted outside of the element Jan 16 18:55:59 hmm Jan 16 18:56:03 Iunno Jan 16 18:58:03 do mouseup/down support multitouch? Jan 16 18:58:21 I seriously doubt it Jan 16 18:58:25 i'm gonna say no Jan 16 18:58:30 ya i thought there was a reason i used touch events Jan 16 20:04:31 i wish the touchpad backup restore would only restore apps that were actually on your device at the time of the backup instead of all of the apps Jan 16 20:05:13 Tibfib_: pm? Jan 16 20:11:33 it's not just touchpad Jan 16 21:19:22 EricBlade: ping Jan 16 22:26:50 how's it goin guys? Jan 16 22:30:23 ok, now that my full restore is complete, i have an icon on my Downloads page that is completely blank and has no name. Jan 16 22:30:33 and when i launch it, it lights up briefly, and nothing happens Jan 16 22:32:08 I'm just gonna say, arrow-keys between apps on the bt keyboard? best. thing. ever. Jan 16 22:32:37 Summatusmentis: and control + delete to close = amazingness :) Jan 16 22:34:09 PatrickC: yar, just keyboard control in general Jan 16 22:34:32 its amazing Jan 16 22:35:00 I would like to allow arrow-key scrolling inside the app, but it's a step in the right direction Jan 16 22:55:55 * oilsworkn wonders if this comment is correct: http://www.webosnation.com/bluetooth-keyboard-shortcuts-copy-cut-paste-webos-3-0-5#comment_478882 Jan 16 22:56:01 who has 305 and a bt kb? Jan 16 22:56:28 I do Jan 16 22:56:51 test it out! Jan 16 22:56:54 * halfhalo has the shiny new webcams for scale Jan 16 22:57:12 I'm still trying to get it to jump to the comment Jan 16 22:58:08 oh, does it only show the one comment? Jan 16 22:58:24 both things are accurate, although you only need ctrl+delete Jan 16 22:58:31 given that there's no alt Jan 16 22:58:38 halfhalo, nice Jan 16 22:59:09 for some ustream goodness Jan 16 23:02:34 oilsworkn, I do Jan 16 23:09:14 summatusmentis: but the arrow keys switch cards when in card-view? Jan 16 23:09:22 yes Jan 16 23:09:35 sweet Jan 16 23:09:57 it's really, really nice Jan 16 23:29:12 that all works Jan 16 23:29:23 although you still can't actually operate apps with the keyboard, other than the tab key, so .. Jan 16 23:31:52 is it possible, i wonder, to implement SwipeableItem anim using CSS, rather than whatever ridiculously slow thing it's using now.. and if that would actually be worse on phones Jan 16 23:36:07 hm. when 3.0.5 goes into exhibition mode with the keyboard displaying, the keyboard doesn't disappear until after the exhibition app is up. that's ugly. Jan 16 23:50:04 did space unlock or is that new too? Jan 16 23:50:25 space unlocks it? Jan 16 23:50:29 oshit Jan 16 23:50:33 that's cool Jan 16 23:50:47 power to turn on screen, then when I accidentally hit space. poof! Jan 16 23:50:52 very nice :) Jan 16 23:51:28 neat Jan 16 23:54:52 why is there a keyboard button on the keyboard? Jan 16 23:55:37 argh contractions still don't spell correct properly Jan 16 23:59:15 tab does something in the launcher Jan 16 23:59:17 but can't tell what Jan 17 00:00:47 well, it did. somehow i had tab causing the launcher to slightly adjust up/down. it stopped doing it though after i opened just type Jan 17 00:04:32 yeah that's odd. not the icons of the launcher, but the entire launcher page/window Jan 17 00:05:52 how's the double spacebar for period thing Jan 17 00:05:56 anybody try taht Jan 17 00:06:59 it's weird. it'll give you the period and then one space Jan 17 00:07:28 so if you're trying to be correct with your typing you need to hit space 3 times Jan 17 00:07:43 i think taht's how it works on the other platforms too Jan 17 00:12:51 that's cool tho Jan 17 00:12:58 don't have to look for the period Jan 17 00:17:03 14:31 < summatusmentis> I'm just gonna say, arrow-keys between apps on the bt keyboard? best. thing. ever. Jan 17 00:17:11 no, it'd be best thing ever if it did that before now ;) Jan 17 00:18:07 yeah yeah, whatever Jan 17 00:19:58 well, I got rid of my bt keyboard in part because of the poor keyboard integration Jan 17 00:20:46 well, go get one Jan 17 00:20:46 well, that was silly Jan 17 00:20:55 * dwc- shrugs Jan 17 00:21:15 I can deal without it Jan 17 00:53:21 lol.. so re: the conversation on the dev forums i go looking for a potential replacement spinner idea Jan 17 00:53:29 i find this .. http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2577-loading-spinner-animation-using-css-and-webkit .. compare how it performs on webOS vs in Chrome Jan 17 01:36:10 cwayne, u on? Jan 17 01:36:15 EricBlade1, ping? Jan 17 01:36:52 PatrickC: whatrs up Jan 17 01:38:02 u know anything about kwallet? Jan 17 01:38:24 no Jan 17 01:38:29 kde app? Jan 17 01:38:32 yeah Jan 17 01:38:37 nah, dont use kde Jan 17 01:38:39 i forget what the ubuntu version is called Jan 17 01:39:49 what is it for Jan 17 01:39:55 password storage Jan 17 01:40:37 gnome-keyring Jan 17 01:41:46 well, it keeps kde from auto-connecting to wifi, so didnt know if u knew anything about the app :) Jan 17 01:53:29 hey invalidopcode Jan 17 01:53:44 hey PatrickC Jan 17 01:55:24 how have u been? Jan 17 01:55:32 * PatrickC is finally back on webOS full time :) Jan 17 01:55:47 good. i was busy this weeken writing a paper on Moby Dick :/ Jan 17 01:55:58 sounds.. fun lol Jan 17 01:56:10 i spent like 6 hours on saturday working on my phone Jan 17 01:56:12 even the sparknotes were boring Jan 17 02:07:54 roy-pre101, are you roy sutton? (sorry if i butchered your name) Jan 17 02:14:09 Indeed. Jan 17 02:14:45 im Patrick from WOR :) Jan 17 02:14:51 emailed you today about WOR to go Jan 17 02:20:23 the drugs!!! Jan 17 02:24:47 sparknotes are always boring Jan 17 02:24:52 they're intended to be Jan 17 02:26:43 i started to read the actual book, and it was even worse haha Jan 17 02:26:49 lol Jan 17 02:26:57 * PatrickC is happy his english paper is on webOS ;) Jan 17 02:27:26 can someone try to go to http://github.com/minego/phnx and see if it loads? Jan 17 02:27:30 but then again it was for lit, so i just went on about symbolism and stuff in the paper Jan 17 02:27:38 the paper I'm working is on participatory crowdsensing, and applications in the field Jan 17 02:27:54 * invalidopcode bbl Jan 17 02:28:01 PatrickC: it's github Jan 17 02:28:05 of course it loads Jan 17 02:28:11 (I checked, it does) Jan 17 02:28:13 not loading over here Jan 17 02:28:19 didnt know if github was down Jan 17 02:28:24 self-defense? Jan 17 02:28:27 ok, just loaded for me (after about a minute) Jan 17 02:28:28 you would have heard about it, I expect Jan 17 02:28:35 get better internet Jan 17 02:28:45 summatusmentis, i have the best i can get out where i live :) Jan 17 02:28:50 sugardave, very funny... Jan 17 02:29:07 move someplace else Jan 17 02:29:21 good luck talking my parents into that lol Jan 17 02:29:37 they want to move back to FL... but cant right now :/ Jan 17 02:30:27 FL is probably worse than wherever you live Jan 17 02:31:11 i live in the woods in Tennessee... Jan 17 02:31:21 with 3MBP/s download if im lucky Jan 17 02:31:43 FL is full of old people Jan 17 02:31:43 born on a mountaintop in tennessee... Jan 17 02:31:54 my grandmother in FL with the slowest speed she can get is almost 30MBP/s with 60 MBP/s powerboost Jan 17 02:32:00 summatusmentis, we lived there for 14 years Jan 17 02:32:07 sugardave, what city? Jan 17 02:32:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAVN_n0PljQ Jan 17 02:33:27 PatrickC: I'm sorry :) Jan 17 02:34:43 summatusmentis, i love it in FL :) its warm almost all year around ;) Jan 17 02:35:35 PatrickC: and all the old people wear their bathing suits all the time Jan 17 02:35:36 putting the finishing touches on a bitchin' multi-server/multi-account preferences storage system Jan 17 02:35:38 :-P Jan 17 02:35:52 sugardave: whoa, that sounds neat Jan 17 02:36:04 summatusmentis, which is why i dont go to the beach :) Jan 17 02:36:09 it's kind of cool, yeah ;) Jan 17 02:36:52 sugardave: no seriously. Is it fully distributed? Jan 17 02:37:48 summatusmentis: nah, not that kind of multi-server...more like, in an app, I can choose to connect to one of multiple servers which in turn I can have one or multiple accounts Jan 17 02:38:06 the bitchin' part is the selection mechanism and the code to keep it all straight Jan 17 02:38:25 suuuure Jan 17 02:38:29 LIAR Jan 17 02:38:52 it's cool, trust me...if you were a chick you'd be all up on my junk Jan 17 02:39:41 some dudes might be all up on your junk too, fwiw Jan 17 02:39:52 you should make it fully distributed Jan 17 02:39:57 for more bitchin-ness Jan 17 02:39:59 that's true, but I'm making assumptions about halfhalo Jan 17 02:40:12 touche Jan 17 02:46:20 PatrickC: Yeah, I still mean to get around to setting you up on that. Jan 17 02:49:43 roy-pre101, whenever you can Jan 17 02:50:00 trying to fix a mistake that happened with my last commit to my github push for Project Macaw **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 17 02:59:57 2012