**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 23 02:59:57 2012 Jan 23 03:01:26 12 divided by 6/6 is 12. Jan 23 03:03:05 and 3 is not divisible by 6 evenly Jan 23 03:03:21 also, you should hone your mockery radar >_> Jan 23 03:39:51 wooo demo version of XO for Subsonic is packed up and shipped to HP, barring any major issues, hope to fix the last few nasty bugs and release full soon. Jan 23 04:15:16 hmmmmm http://webos101.com/Hybrid_Plugin_Example Jan 23 04:19:40 EricBlade: and _then_ you're gonna do Google Music? Jan 23 04:20:10 get a subsonic server, summatusmentis :) Jan 23 04:20:18 I have an ampache server Jan 23 04:20:29 I'd really prefer to not run my own stuff Jan 23 04:20:41 ahh. is google ever going to release an api for music? Jan 23 04:20:52 I'm very skeptical Jan 23 04:20:58 why would they? Jan 23 04:27:55 * DougReeder_ waves hello Jan 23 04:29:49 summatusmentis: so i can write a webos app Jan 23 04:30:38 yeah but they want everyone to use the android app, I expect Jan 23 04:46:03 time to get this bug worked out Jan 23 04:47:17 weinre is just the bomb Jan 23 04:47:50 wow. these storms look ... not good Jan 23 04:49:17 trying to debug differences between inEvent in webOS and Android. cant stringify the object due to cyclical data structure. Jan 23 04:50:13 * PatrickC is trying to debug his switch/case issue.. Jan 23 04:51:23 really annoying.. almost working. Jan 23 04:52:47 PatrickC: you might find actually walking through the code and ensuring that every statement is doing what you think it is helpful Jan 23 04:53:15 summatusmentis, im trying one thing.. it might be the issue (though at first i thought it to be the solution) Jan 23 04:56:29 * PatrickC might just do away with the switch/case and go to an if/else statment if he can get it to work that way Jan 23 05:01:29 the if/else doesnt seem to want to work :/ Jan 23 05:02:35 hola.. Jan 23 05:02:43 dwc-: you around? Jan 23 05:02:52 hello darkdowN Jan 23 05:03:07 hey patrick! Jan 23 05:03:26 hows it goin? Jan 23 05:03:36 how goes the....... are you the macaw'er, right? Jan 23 05:03:51 yep Jan 23 05:03:58 working on it as we speak actually :) Jan 23 05:04:04 sup ajay Jan 23 05:04:59 PatrickC: It's alright.. I've been a been absent from here for sure.. :) Jan 23 05:04:59 ajay isnt in here... Jan 23 05:05:34 PatrickC: man, macaw sure does get a lot of your attention (love?)! Jan 23 05:05:48 more of a learning :) Jan 23 05:06:04 lol Jan 23 05:06:14 im the only one on the team who doesnt have a "full time job" so.... lol Jan 23 05:06:40 dwc-: had the age-old question for you.. is there a list up somewhere (or do you know) of the difference between Veer AppCats (AT&T vs other) Jan 23 05:06:58 nope Jan 23 05:07:04 is there a difference between them at all? Jan 23 05:07:09 rwhitby should know... and might tell Jan 23 05:07:09 besides carrier apps? Jan 23 05:07:18 dwc-: Is skype the only app that you didn't find on your Pre3 then? Jan 23 05:07:38 (and did that ever change?) Jan 23 05:07:40 it was, and some person that showed up in the P|C forums mentioned getting that fixed Jan 23 05:08:02 darkdowN: apart from carrier apps in the respective doctors, I don't know of any veer carrier-based app catalog differences Jan 23 05:08:15 works for palm, hadn't posted much in there before a few posts from her(?) Jan 23 05:08:29 but got the flags fixed, so I'm grateful for that Jan 23 05:08:39 (as much as I didn't need it) Jan 23 05:09:42 why do you ask anyways, I thought you sold your veers Jan 23 05:09:49 rwhitby: ok good to know.. Jan 23 05:09:53 is the busted-screen pre3 still working? Jan 23 05:10:13 http://pastebin.com/29K6hw3J where the error says line 311, its like 50 on the pastebin.. Jan 23 05:10:18 anyone know why that would happen? Jan 23 05:10:29 rwhitby: I remember you were compiling a bunch of lists of what everyone could see from their appcats? Is that summarized+published online somewhere? Jan 23 05:10:38 nope Jan 23 05:10:51 but it's all in app tuckerbox now Jan 23 05:10:51 how about unsummarized? Jan 23 05:10:53 # Jan 23 05:10:54 Object http://bit.ly/vZpxF Jan 23 05:10:54 # Jan 23 05:10:55 S has no method 'copyLinkUrl', Jan 23 05:11:07 dwc-, why would it give that error is what im wondering Jan 23 05:11:11 is that a string there? if so, it likely has no copyLinkUrl() Jan 23 05:11:23 the biy.ly link is the URL Jan 23 05:11:34 but it should be passed *from* the case to the function Jan 23 05:11:40 not as part of the function Jan 23 05:11:40 dwc-: Umm.. somedays I feel like this pre3 is hella buggy, and other days it seems to be fine.. bluetooth drops and reconnect at random intervals is the main problem i'm having Jan 23 05:12:03 its hella buggy Jan 23 05:12:04 # Jan 23 05:12:05 switch (command, url) { Jan 23 05:12:09 looks odd to me, but I don't do js Jan 23 05:12:33 the languages I do, switch takes one argument Jan 23 05:12:34 i have to pass the url param from switch() to the this.copyLinkUrl() Jan 23 05:12:42 thats the only way i know how Jan 23 05:13:11 I'm almost positive switch() takes one argument Jan 23 05:13:12 if someone knows a better way, please share :) Jan 23 05:13:14 but I don't do js either Jan 23 05:13:24 looks so wrong Jan 23 05:13:33 so switch(foo,bar) ... does js eval both and return the last? Jan 23 05:13:53 hmm, I can see how that might work then Jan 23 05:14:18 Jan 23 05:14:19 hey PatrickC, your argument passing is backwards, I think Jan 23 05:14:22 by making it switch(command) (taking out the url param) it doesnt work Jan 23 05:14:33 summatusmentis, hmm.. ill try and flip it Jan 23 05:14:38 onChoose: this.popupHandler.bind(url, this) Jan 23 05:14:39 ugh pdk headache Jan 23 05:14:39 popupHandler: function(command,url) { Jan 23 05:14:43 if method calls actually pass the object they act on internally as an unmentioned argument) Jan 23 05:14:51 yeah I think the pre3 is not so hot, but! others disagree with me so I don't push it.. :) Jan 23 05:15:08 then it'd be passing (command, url, object) instead of (command, object) and the 'this' could be resolving to your url Jan 23 05:15:10 how's the pre2 w/ 2.2.4 (compared to 2.1.0?) Jan 23 05:15:12 Jan 23 05:15:21 darkdowN, i like it Jan 23 05:15:23 i have MAP Jan 23 05:15:36 darkdowN: I like it too Jan 23 05:15:47 someone tell me to stop now so i don't ruin anything, so i can then say no i know exactly what i'm doing Jan 23 05:16:00 'like' meaning 'better' or 'negligible'/no complainst? Jan 23 05:16:03 fxspec06, what are u trying to build in the PDK? Jan 23 05:16:08 Wild'n? Jan 23 05:16:34 anything Jan 23 05:16:34 darkdowN: better, if only because of the bt MAP profile Jan 23 05:16:54 seems faster too Jan 23 05:17:03 I'll take that to mean no introduced lagginess/bugs, so.. cool Jan 23 05:17:21 only bug I've encountered so far is slightly larger notification icons Jan 23 05:17:55 ugh, i flip the (url, this) to (this, url) and it says that url === cmdCopyLinkUrl ... Jan 23 05:18:07 summatusmentis, i dont even notice that a whole lot Jan 23 05:18:14 me neither, but it exists Jan 23 05:18:44 i know it does.. i was working with abysul on the sprint pre2 meta-doctor when we found it Jan 23 05:25:36 ugh, i think my charging slot is going bad on my touchpad.. :( Jan 23 05:25:52 im done working on this bug... have no clue how to solve it...:/ Jan 23 05:27:41 hey coolstar-pc!! Jan 23 05:27:45 long time no see Jan 23 05:27:47 PatrickC: Hi Jan 23 05:27:53 hows the browser coming? Jan 23 05:28:10 PatrickC: I'm almost ready with it, but I do have 1 question for you guys about webos before I can finish it Jan 23 05:28:19 ok, shoot :) Jan 23 05:28:23 more browser? Wow! Jan 23 05:28:46 PatrickC: For themes, what's a good directory in webos to store them? Jan 23 05:28:54 what kind of themes? Jan 23 05:28:56 for the app? Jan 23 05:29:01 PatrickC: Themes for my browser Jan 23 05:29:11 most people do it all onboard in the apps directory Jan 23 05:29:12 woa Jan 23 05:29:26 we (project macaw) have all the images/css inside the app Jan 23 05:29:29 PatrickC: The user should be able to replace the theme file, though Jan 23 05:29:34 in turn, we have almost a 7mb app.. but.. lol Jan 23 05:29:43 PatrickC: no point in themes if the user can't change them Jan 23 05:29:44 that one will have to be homebrew only (afaik) Jan 23 05:30:13 what kind of themes are we talking here? just colors? Jan 23 05:30:16 or what? Jan 23 05:30:54 PatrickC: An image (png) Jan 23 05:31:06 hmm.. i know that Music Player remix does that Jan 23 05:31:38 i think u just have the user chose an image, and then have the CSS update the style to set the background to that path...? Jan 23 05:31:47 not sure.. havent ever had to play with that before Jan 23 05:32:04 PatrickC: I can style the toolbar by setting the CSS property using javascript :) Jan 23 05:32:23 then use a cookie and a user-setting with the image browser :) Jan 23 05:33:33 PatrickC: I'd just rather have a directory where the user can place the theme, which is a PNG Jan 23 05:33:47 PatrickC: then on the launch of the app, I can check if the PNG exists, and if yes, apple it. Jan 23 05:33:52 *apply Jan 23 05:33:55 you might have to use a node.js plugin for that (not 100% sure) Jan 23 05:34:04 "apple it" haha Jan 23 05:34:25 * coolstar-pc has a spell checker, but it couldn't correct that mistake.... Jan 23 05:34:39 * PatrickC makes mistakes like that all the time Jan 23 05:34:53 and for some odd reason, the red line never underlines those mistakes... Jan 23 05:36:10 ugh i'm so stupid Jan 23 05:36:22 what happened? Jan 23 05:36:32 i was born Jan 23 05:36:52 Is it possible to record audio in webos *without* adobe flash? Jan 23 05:37:01 i believe so Jan 23 05:37:03 * fxspec06 laughs at his lame joke Jan 23 05:37:22 * coolstar-pc doesn't want to pay the $$ for flash Jan 23 05:37:39 * PatrickC sighs at having to install antivirus on his tablet.. Jan 23 05:37:47 coolstar-pc, i know several voice recording apps Jan 23 05:37:57 PatrickC: I mean in my app Jan 23 05:37:57 they are all written in mojo, but they don't use flash Jan 23 05:38:37 * coolstar-pc looked in the source code of chromium and discovered the Google Speech API. Now he wants to use it. Jan 23 05:38:47 lol Jan 23 05:41:33 For some reason every once in a while there's this huge spinner over my app... Jan 23 05:41:45 it happens with webviews Jan 23 05:41:50 patrickc is proof that even people who don't know any programming syntax whatsoever can still somehow manage to produce things that work Jan 23 05:42:02 yep Jan 23 05:42:03 lol Jan 23 05:42:23 i know minimal stuff.. working to make that more then minimal :) Jan 23 05:42:35 * coolstar-pc wonders what people would think if he uses jquery in his HP touchpad app Jan 23 05:42:59 one of my friends used to say that anyone can program anything, the difference is in how long it will take them and how well it will work Jan 23 05:43:22 coolstar-pc, what about the appdata dir on /media/internal? Jan 23 05:43:23 * EricBlade doubts that anyone would care what you use to make your app if it works Jan 23 05:43:45 damn, was making a skype call, and all the while, it was trying to make another call (which I couldn't disconnect).. buggy pre3 still with 2.2.4, alas.. Jan 23 05:44:05 RagingMind: I'm gonna look at that. I'm sshing into my emulator right now to investigate :) Jan 23 05:45:00 coolstar-pc, dont have a real device? or just quicker? L( Jan 23 05:45:00 my phone has stuff in there from ndrive, navit, quickoffice and a couple other things Jan 23 05:45:02 :) *** Jan 23 05:45:26 before the navit maps app I had to manually put map files in there Jan 23 05:45:30 PatrickC: I don't have a real device Jan 23 05:45:35 ah Jan 23 05:45:47 RagingMind, i remember taht Jan 23 05:45:49 that* Jan 23 05:45:55 which is why i never used navit lol Jan 23 05:46:23 it's more useful than ndrive Jan 23 05:46:45 ndrive works perfect for me Jan 23 05:46:46 RagingMind: Is the appdata directory accessible easily when you plug in your WebOS Phone/Touchpad? Jan 23 05:46:53 but i just use sprint nav or my tomtom if i need a gps :) Jan 23 05:47:39 coolstar-pc, yes. it shows up as /appdata/ Jan 23 05:48:07 RagingMind, is it .appdata ? and is it hidden? (thought it was) Jan 23 05:48:17 PatrickC: It's appdata Jan 23 05:48:23 i.e. wouldnt the use have to enable hidden folder viewing on the computer Jan 23 05:48:41 there is a separate hidden folder, but appdata is not hidden Jan 23 05:49:08 the hidden one is .app-storage Jan 23 05:50:56 ah Jan 23 05:53:47 is it possible to do video on skype conference call (TP) Jan 23 05:53:53 * coolstar-pc thinks preware copied Debian Jan 23 05:54:31 * rwhitby thinks coolstar-pc is incorrect Jan 23 05:54:43 darkdowN: This is the webOS dev channel. For touchpad talk, go to #touchpad Jan 23 05:55:01 rwhitby: I've been browsing the preware repo. Look at the Packages file Jan 23 05:55:21 coolstar-pc: yes, it's an ipkg Packages file, which has a common ancestry with Debian about 10 years ago Jan 23 05:55:26 rwhitby: They copied apt, except they use ipkg instead of dpkg (ipk vs. deb) Jan 23 05:56:08 coolstar-pc: that's like saying RedHat copied Debian cause they both have a linux kernel Jan 23 05:56:14 coolstar-pc: i thought that cooled down after the inflood into this channel ended.. :) Jan 23 05:56:29 darkdowN: if you're talking about skype on webOS, you're fine Jan 23 05:56:31 darkdowN, we answer regular webOS questions in here too :) Jan 23 05:56:42 i am bored out of my mind Jan 23 05:56:49 EricBlade, im with u... Jan 23 05:56:51 PatrickC: TP = touchpad :) Jan 23 05:56:59 im taking the "code academy" courses.. Jan 23 05:57:14 coolstar-pc, yes, but we answer general webOS questions in here too :) Jan 23 05:57:22 his question was directed to a general webOS question Jan 23 05:57:27 ok Jan 23 05:57:29 coolstar-pc: in general, we do not send webOS users to #touchapad Jan 23 05:58:14 #touchpad and ##touchpad are totally empty it looks like Jan 23 05:58:23 the touchpad does happen to run a version of webos :) Jan 23 06:00:28 Where can I find the i686 version of preware? Jan 23 06:00:37 i am Jan 23 06:00:52 coolstar-pc: get.preware.org Jan 23 06:01:00 phew Jan 23 06:03:27 * coolstar-pc has a plan for a new app for webos, but he noticed that unfortunately, it's not possible ATM Jan 23 06:04:07 * coolstar-pc is hoping someone will port flac (and its dependencies) to webos Jan 23 06:04:36 already done Jan 23 06:04:51 flac is in the WIDK Jan 23 06:05:12 rwhitby: Where Can I find flac for webOS? Jan 23 06:05:19 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/cross-compile/tree/packages/media/flac/Makefile Jan 23 06:06:29 I'll just assume that nobody knows about video calls in skype conference with the [webOS-running] touchpad.. Jan 23 06:06:45 darkdowN: group video calls cost $$$ Jan 23 06:07:02 ugh, stupid credit card company [chase, that'll teach me to have a card with a big bank] both of my cards have illegit charges, and they recur, and they do.. nothing. Arg. Jan 23 06:07:50 coolstar-pc: Oh? Oh.. :( Good to know tho.. Jan 23 06:08:05 s/nothing/minimal&make me do paperwork,unlike discover/ Jan 23 06:14:27 ok, cool Jan 23 06:14:45 i got this plugin packaged, and ref'd it, and calling it all... but it's not initializing Jan 23 06:14:58 anyone have experience w/ initializing plugins in enyo? Jan 23 06:15:44 do i need a specific new enyo.Kind for plugins, or can i include them in a component file? Jan 23 06:18:31 PatrickC: oo you have an exhibition mode I see! Jan 23 06:18:43 not 100% working atm :) Jan 23 06:18:54 need to fix that... just.. havent gotten around to it :) Jan 23 06:19:07 oh wait, but it just starts project macaw? confused.. Jan 23 06:19:09 ive been busy trying to get link copying/adding to RIL/IP working Jan 23 06:19:21 like i said, not 100% working Jan 23 06:19:31 we meant to disable it before sending out the version, but forgot to Jan 23 06:19:37 will be disabled in the next version Jan 23 06:19:55 we need to build a specialized scene for Exhibition Jan 23 06:22:05 damn didn't expect webOS Internals at SCALE, I shoulda gone.. :( Jan 23 06:24:43 PatrickC: oh sorry, i replied before reading.. :) Jan 23 06:25:01 http://www.meetup.com/codeyear/ Jan 23 06:25:07 darkdowN, no problem :) Jan 23 06:25:18 i do it all the time (just ask anyone in the channel haha) Jan 23 06:26:18 ok, in that case i guess it's ok, because "not 100% working" isn't the same as "it doesn't exist" :) Jan 23 06:26:30 it is a planned feature :) Jan 23 06:26:43 check the github issues list for more info on future features/feature requests Jan 23 06:27:12 oh, and if u have any questions related to project macaw (and dont want to clutter up here/worry it wont get scene) go to #project-macaw :) Jan 23 06:27:23 im always in it Jan 23 06:27:36 George Michael radio on last.fm turns out to be pretty awesome :) (and also one of the most awesome things I do with my touchpad) Jan 23 06:29:08 that doesn't sound very awesome Jan 23 06:29:08 anyone in here around the greater Nashville area? Jan 23 06:30:16 hmm. i'm going to watch some netflix on my ipad 2. the iPad 2 speakers really are pretty comparable to the TouchPad .. when at maximum volume.. except for the fact that they are located on the button side, which makes them completely useless for stereo seperation Jan 23 06:31:39 blah blah blah ipas 2 blah blah Jan 23 06:31:42 ok maybe they aren't comparable Jan 23 06:39:50 * PatrickC is off to bed Jan 23 06:39:59 coolstar-pc, you on twitter? Jan 23 06:40:04 PatrickC: I didn't think I had any questions, but since you asked.. I like the Spaz text condensing feature, any plans? Jan 23 06:40:20 "Text condensing" Jan 23 06:40:21 ? Jan 23 06:41:21 silly SCALE Jan 23 06:41:33 did u kidnap Adora this time? Jan 23 06:43:02 no Jan 23 06:43:28 that takes all the fun out of it though... Jan 23 06:43:36 we didn't last year. people who wanted phones did Jan 23 06:44:07 what phones were they/ Jan 23 06:44:09 ? Jan 23 06:44:27 last year were pre2's. Jan 23 06:44:36 this year? anything? Jan 23 06:44:41 TP's Jan 23 06:44:47 nice Jan 23 06:57:15 blah, audio volume on the pad sucks. guess we -do- need netflix huh Jan 23 06:58:40 if the TP had netflix I imagine a portion of the push for an android port would fizzle Jan 23 06:59:19 can't enjoy watching Highlander with no freakin volume Jan 23 07:11:22 PatrickC_Away: like, it reduces text down, so it takes less letters Jan 23 07:14:29 RagingMind: netflix is pretty huge.. I am really curious to hear the inside story on the touchpad and the netflix.. Jan 23 07:30:42 can u say "full screen cmatrix exhibition mode fr wterm"? Jan 23 07:31:24 dammit :( found a massive bug in gvoice very shortly after submitting a new update :( Jan 23 08:01:45 PuffTheMagic: hot! eric: doh! Jan 23 08:01:50 everyone: buh-bye! Jan 23 08:02:17 so.. who is recognized as the wizard of native coding in webOS land .. Jan 23 08:23:45 the wizard? Jan 23 08:24:05 i would have to go with jason robitaille Jan 23 08:24:21 or sugardave =P Jan 23 08:31:57 jason for native coding? Jan 23 08:32:12 by native I presume you mean bare metal C code Jan 23 08:33:39 hmm not sure what he meant, you're most prob right. off to bed night Jan 23 08:41:17 yeah .. i've got basically a week where i've got little to do on this project while the design people are off doing their design tasks, so i said "ok what do i do in the meantime" and they said "well, you've got this running on 7 different platforms this week.. try another one or two" Jan 23 09:01:18 dns_: I exported the private key. Do I need to export the public key as well? Jan 23 09:04:09 Oops Jan 23 09:04:16 Wrong Channel Jan 23 09:29:55 hello. is there any way to slide between views in enyo? Jan 23 09:39:35 found my answer. also: does enyo support jquery? Jan 23 13:19:58 hey any one here actually from hp/palm? Jan 23 15:52:27 apparently, enyo.Hybrid only works in enyo layouts Jan 23 15:53:01 it doesn't work for enyo.Component kind Jan 23 15:53:27 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Jan 23 15:55:33 well that's exactly what i'm seeing Jan 23 15:58:23 mmmmm Jan 23 15:58:27 soup Jan 23 15:59:33 because its all I have for food atm Jan 23 15:59:43 fxspec06, that doesnt sound right Jan 23 16:00:22 well i couldn't get the plugin to initialize w/ main kind enyo.Components... but as soon as I changed it to a enyo.VFlexBox the plugin initialized Jan 23 16:00:39 hmm Jan 23 16:00:41 so i just renderInto an invisible div for now Jan 23 16:00:56 it works, finally got me some native audio instead of crappy HTML5 Jan 23 16:00:59 what ya working on? Jan 23 16:01:20 sounds in wild'n were crashing the pre 3, and they really never were good Jan 23 16:01:27 oh Jan 23 16:01:34 pre3 is a pile of crap Jan 23 16:01:34 ozetadev gave me idea to use native & package PDK plugin Jan 23 16:02:11 so i was up last night working on this http://webos101.com/Hybrid_Plugin_Example and got 95% done... and jus now i got working Jan 23 16:02:23 finally got me some native sounds for wild'n. work awesome. awesome awesome Jan 23 16:02:32 html5 audio is a pile of crap Jan 23 16:06:09 o and the best part is now i know how to package pdk plugins ;) Jan 23 16:20:30 CRAP! https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=26479807e201d46ff4c34443faf16115&lastaction=login&f=109&t=18837 Jan 23 17:28:49 anyone succesfully submit a 'hybrid' app that backfalls on devices that don't support hybrid apps Jan 23 18:05:53 woo! i actually am learning something from codeacademy! :) Jan 23 18:06:07 now i know how to use for/do/while loops :) Jan 23 18:10:16 you... Jan 23 18:10:20 * summatusmentis shakes head Jan 23 18:10:41 never had to use them before Jan 23 18:10:50 and never actually took time to *learn* javascript Jan 23 18:11:06 ive been just using what ive seen used in code before. and never tried to learn why things do what they do and how they do it Jan 23 18:11:11 how have you never had to learn looping structure before? Jan 23 18:11:23 havent had the need to do it before Jan 23 18:11:27 PatrickC do you know what if is? Jan 23 18:11:29 ive just used if/else Jan 23 18:11:35 hotdp, yessir Jan 23 18:11:39 how can you not need to know how do loops Jan 23 18:11:50 havent had to do them and never took the time to learn them? Jan 23 18:12:19 someone should show him how to unwind, probably blow his mind Jan 23 18:12:30 I guess if nothing you do is complex, and you're reacting to events then you could maybe get away with it Jan 23 18:12:33 codeacademy is really cool Jan 23 18:12:47 summatusmentis, has anything ive ever done been complex? lol Jan 23 18:14:03 well like, how do you react to incoming data from a web service? Jan 23 18:14:06 your ideas have been complex. execution, not so much Jan 23 18:14:09 does webOS define a loop for you? Jan 23 18:14:17 summatusmentis, havent had to do much of that Jan 23 18:14:27 fxspec06, exactly.. so, trying to change that by learning Jan 23 18:15:39 learning is good Jan 23 18:15:57 I'm just apalled that you've gotten this far without the learning Jan 23 18:16:23 copy/paste goes a long way (sometimes) Jan 23 18:16:46 i know enough to get by. i know how to define variables, use if/else statements, and somewhat define functions Jan 23 18:17:25 PatrickC: what do you want to do long term? Jan 23 18:17:32 I will be a pastor Jan 23 18:17:44 coding is just fun for me, and i know it will benifit me in the long run Jan 23 18:17:53 oh Jan 23 18:18:24 it's interesting that you answered in the concrete Jan 23 18:18:40 why? Jan 23 18:18:58 well, i will be some form of a pastor, whether it be a Senior pastor, Youth Pastor, Music Ministor, etc. Jan 23 18:21:19 oh, no real reason. I asked "what do you WANT to do" and you replied "I WILL do xyz" Jan 23 18:21:24 it's just interesting Jan 23 18:21:27 ok Jan 23 18:21:28 no real reason Jan 23 18:21:50 I just like language/rhetoric Jan 23 18:22:02 * PatrickC hates english class lol Jan 23 18:22:16 so it's more something I noticed and was idly interested in Jan 23 18:22:27 the grammar aspects of language are less interesting to me Jan 23 18:22:43 I'm interested in language/rhetoric as a mechanism of expression Jan 23 18:22:44 words Jan 23 18:22:49 hey sugardav1 Jan 23 18:23:00 'cause of you i almost got the link things working :) Jan 23 18:23:00 arg Jan 23 18:23:31 sugardave: words, meaning, emphasis, intention Jan 23 18:23:42 more words :P Jan 23 18:23:45 but.. the case throws an error because it adds the URL to the function that it passes (like it should) but adds it to the function inside of the case (like it shouldnt) Jan 23 18:24:13 summatusmentis, i have to have better grammer though when writing articles lol Jan 23 18:24:38 I mean, proper structure is important certainly, just not overly interesting to me Jan 23 18:25:02 same here Jan 23 18:25:28 so, I just read back a bit...I imagine PatrickC's apps' code look like my Pascal programs. Top-down execution all the way Jan 23 18:25:42 I assume so Jan 23 18:26:28 sample of my code http://pastebin.com/Dzhb91kX Jan 23 18:26:33 you know what I just realized? Lion/multi-touch gestures/launchpad == gesture area/cards Jan 23 18:26:46 * PatrickC wishes he had a mac Jan 23 18:28:04 grammar* Jan 23 18:28:06 ;) Jan 23 18:28:10 hahaha Jan 23 18:28:11 nazi Jan 23 18:28:37 grammer is like, M.C. Grammer Jan 23 18:28:41 I used to be an unabashed grammar nazi...and then I started hanging out in #webos/with app developers Jan 23 18:28:53 lol Jan 23 18:30:37 so sugardave, question Jan 23 18:31:42 mmhmmm Jan 23 18:33:06 i read on the forums that any app packaged with "plug-ins":true will be automatically rejected by the app scanner. i made a hybrid audio plug-in for wild'n, and in the code it attempts to load the plugin, and if it fails to load (like it will and does on anything but the pre 3 and touchpad), it falls back on html5 audio instead of using a workaround Jan 23 18:33:27 is there a way to get this into the catalog or is the answer strictly a no Jan 23 18:33:49 i.e. with every device support* Jan 23 18:34:06 hmmm....not something I have experience with. But, I'd send an email to pdc@palm.com and tell them exactly that Jan 23 18:34:53 mmk, cool. i'll add that to the list of things to do. thanks Jan 23 18:36:39 fxspec06: I'm also asking around internally but I seem to be alone atm Jan 23 18:36:57 thanks, appreciate it Jan 23 18:37:54 sugardave: push around internall for source release Jan 23 18:37:56 I wants it Jan 23 18:38:03 fxspec06: bad news...not gonna happen :( Jan 23 18:38:19 make 2 apps or remove plugins: true Jan 23 18:38:34 sugardave, i agree with summatusmentis Jan 23 18:38:49 that's what i was afraid of. well, i'll have to think of something then Jan 23 18:40:36 sugardave, hows the palm life? Jan 23 18:41:03 exciting! Jan 23 18:41:06 glamorous! Jan 23 18:41:11 rewarding! Jan 23 18:41:25 (are they still watching this channel?) Jan 23 18:41:36 what age do yall let kids intern? :) Jan 23 18:41:38 lol Jan 23 18:41:39 +1 :) Jan 23 18:41:42 PatrickC Jan 23 18:41:46 hotdp, yes? Jan 23 18:41:51 kids that intern need to know what for loops are Jan 23 18:41:52 You have to know loops before you can get hired Jan 23 18:41:59 lol Jan 23 18:42:03 But thats all Jan 23 18:42:07 im not even 16 yet :) Jan 23 18:42:13 so i have time to learn Jan 23 18:42:13 Loops+If = job Jan 23 18:42:26 geez, you're not even 16? Jan 23 18:42:29 nope Jan 23 18:42:33 wouldn't your life goal be better served by interning at a seminary or something? Jan 23 18:42:35 turn 16 the end of next month Jan 23 18:42:39 you're so young! it's adorable! Jan 23 18:42:48 do seminarys allow interns? Jan 23 18:42:56 it's not like you get paid to be in the seminary Jan 23 18:42:57 lol Jan 23 18:43:01 sugardave, technically, i already "intern" at my Church :) Jan 23 18:43:16 everyone is an intern in the eyes of god Jan 23 18:43:19 :-P Jan 23 18:43:24