**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 29 02:59:58 2012
Jan 29 03:56:49 <halfhalo> murf
Jan 29 03:58:42 <minego> indeed
Jan 29 03:59:25 <halfhalo> i lost mah laptop charger.  oh well
Jan 29 03:59:42 <minego> oops
Jan 29 04:20:11 <EricBlade> wow the apple developer program wants to charge me $50 to ask them a question. fuck you apple.
Jan 29 04:20:21 <EricBlade> excuse my language.
Jan 29 04:20:36 <EricBlade> (please)
Jan 29 04:28:38 <Clark008> lol
Jan 29 04:28:55 <Clark008> isn't it already covered by the $99 they charge you to be part of their dev program?
Jan 29 04:29:12 <EricBlade> apparently my entire team got 2 support requests free with their membership
Jan 29 04:29:31 <EricBlade> which they used getting our platforms all configed
Jan 29 04:35:30 <EricBlade> for supposedly being "easy to use" this mac is about to experience defenestration
Jan 29 04:36:01 <EricBlade> you'd think in this day and age a program would be able to resize itself to fit the available screen space.
Jan 29 04:36:41 <Clark008> lol, it's a mac =p
Jan 29 04:36:54 <Clark008> I really like enyo 2.0
Jan 29 04:52:15 <EricBlade> i haven't even looked at it, part of why i use enyo is so i don't have to worry about the UI .. so.. that part isn't there yet
Jan 29 05:38:41 <invalidopcode> anyone know of a good Remember the Milk client for the touchpad?
Jan 29 05:47:17 <minego> sorry no
Jan 29 05:51:25 <EricBlade> nope write one ? :)
Jan 29 05:51:46 <invalidopcode> im thinking about it....
Jan 29 05:52:22 <invalidopcode> i was looking over their API, they return responses in JSON, so its might not be that hard
Jan 29 05:54:28 <invalidopcode> i could write it in Enyo 2 :P
Jan 29 06:30:22 <EricBlade> i'm about to submit updates to my apps that break random things, just so i hear from users
Jan 29 15:04:45 * minego yawns
Jan 29 15:05:26 <b0bben> minego: moar coffee! :)
Jan 29 15:05:30 <b0bben> kids keeping you up?
Jan 29 15:05:43 <minego> mmmm coffee.....
Jan 29 15:05:47 <minego> no, kids are still asleep
Jan 29 15:05:59 <minego> my silly brain got confused... thought it was monday and woke me up
Jan 29 15:06:09 <b0bben> aa..also known as "coding time" amongst us parents ;)
Jan 29 15:06:18 <minego> haha yup
Jan 29 15:06:38 <b0bben> minego: that's cool, waking up on a monday thinking it's friday is even worse!
Jan 29 15:06:58 <minego> that would suck
Jan 29 15:44:05 <fxspec06> oh wow minego comes in here
Jan 29 15:44:13 * fxspec06 wonders since when
Jan 29 15:54:58 <minego> fxspec06: since they started #enyojs
Jan 29 15:55:05 <minego> fxspec06: I've come here off an on before that
Jan 29 15:57:01 <fxspec06> sweeeeeet
Jan 29 15:57:15 * fxspec06 wishes he had more time to program. english class is kicking his ass
Jan 29 15:57:22 <minego> that sucks
Jan 29 15:57:28 <fxspec06> yep
Jan 29 15:58:06 <fxspec06> guess that's why it's a "part time self employment job" lol
Jan 29 15:58:17 <minego> hehe
Jan 29 19:49:28 <Tibfib_> sooo, when the enyo 2.0 UI component comes out, will I be able to just drop 2.0 into my app source and my enyo1.0 app will then work?
Jan 29 19:52:05 <dwc-> sounds like a question for #enyojs!
Jan 29 19:52:38 <Tibfib_> oh yeah
Jan 29 20:43:44 <invalidopcode> hello
Jan 29 20:47:00 <minego> howdy
Jan 29 20:47:59 <invalidopcode> hey minego, do you have a touchpad?
Jan 29 20:48:38 <minego> Yeah
Jan 29 20:49:10 <invalidopcode> have you noticed in the Facebook app that pictures in the news feed don't show anymore?
Jan 29 20:49:35 <minego> I've never used the facebook app. I don't have a facebook account.
Jan 29 20:49:50 <invalidopcode> ah nevermind then
Jan 29 20:50:03 <minego> sorry
Jan 29 20:50:08 <Tibfib_> don't forgive him!
Jan 29 20:50:18 <invalidopcode> hahaha
Jan 29 20:50:37 <minego> haha
Jan 29 20:50:39 <invalidopcode> minego: I forgive you, just to annoy Tibfib_
Jan 29 20:50:49 <minego> I know, I know.... not having facebook is an unforgivable crime
Jan 29 20:50:53 <minego> haha
Jan 29 20:50:58 * Tibfib_ flips table
Jan 29 20:51:25 * invalidopcode throws a chair at Tibfib_, Ballmer style
Jan 29 20:51:59 <invalidopcode> minego: haha do you live under a rock? (or your just smarter then the rest of us)
Jan 29 20:52:15 <minego> Haha, I'm gonna go with the later :)
Jan 29 20:52:23 <minego> I just don't like social media very much
Jan 29 20:52:33 <minego> I do have a twitter account that I use pretty heavily, but that's it
Jan 29 20:52:52 <invalidopcode> ah, yeah you probably have a lot more productive time then the rest of us
Jan 29 20:52:54 <minego> Facebook seems to be able interacting with people you know in real life... if I want to interact with them then I'll do it in real life
Jan 29 20:52:55 <Tibfib_> I constantly question why I have a facebook account
Jan 29 20:53:29 <minego> twitter on the other hand I use for interacting with people based on specific topics. Nearly everything I talk about on twitter is webOS or coding related. (Okay and a few religious arguments too)
Jan 29 20:53:39 <invalidopcode> hahaha nice :P
Jan 29 20:53:44 <Tibfib_> minego: same
Jan 29 20:53:52 <Tibfib_> except for the religious arguments
Jan 29 20:54:00 <minego> hehe
Jan 29 20:54:47 <invalidopcode> yeah, i like the two way (or more) conversations on facebook, i just don't like the "broadcasting" aspect of twitter
Jan 29 20:55:41 <minego> Most of my posts on twitter are replies to someone, so they aren't really a broadcast... I mean they are public but only people following everyone in the conversation will see them
Jan 29 20:56:02 <invalidopcode> yeah... too public for me :P
Jan 29 20:56:10 <minego> hehe
Jan 29 20:56:49 <PatrickC> hey minego and invalidopcode
Jan 29 20:56:58 <minego> howdy PatrickC
Jan 29 20:56:58 <invalidopcode> hey PatrickC
Jan 29 20:57:08 <invalidopcode> minego: nice timing :P
Jan 29 20:57:09 <PatrickC> hows it goin guys?
Jan 29 20:57:30 * PatrickC has a log of everything that was said ;)
Jan 29 20:57:45 * invalidopcode finds that PatrickC has lots of free time
Jan 29 20:58:24 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, yes i do :) but i also have a IRC bouncer that logs the channel for me so when i log on i can look at the backlog ;)
Jan 29 20:58:40 <invalidopcode> so i recall you explaining before :P
Jan 29 21:00:17 <PatrickC> minego, have u had any time to work on macaw lately?
Jan 29 21:00:24 <minego> nope
Jan 29 21:00:29 * PatrickC is building a phone for a friend but not sure what doctor to use.. 
Jan 29 21:00:30 <PatrickC> hmm...
Jan 29 21:00:36 <minego> Been busy with my day job and with solitaire universe
Jan 29 21:00:37 <PatrickC> i havent either
Jan 29 21:00:54 <PatrickC> bah, u act like those things give u money :P
Jan 29 21:01:02 <minego> yup
Jan 29 21:02:32 <destinal> anyone know what the function is to get device characteristics ie resolution, whether it has a keyboard or not, so on
Jan 29 21:02:49 <PatrickC> i think we do that in macaw somehow...
Jan 29 21:02:55 <PatrickC> i didnt write that code though, minego did :)
Jan 29 21:03:18 <minego> I don't remember off the top of my head
Jan 29 21:03:50 * PatrickC takes a look at the github
Jan 29 21:04:08 <invalidopcode> enyo.fetchDeviceInfo
Jan 29 21:04:10 <invalidopcode> ?
Jan 29 21:04:18 <minego> Sounds about right
Jan 29 21:04:26 <invalidopcode> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html#enyo.fetchDeviceInfo
Jan 29 21:04:48 <Tibfib_> PatrickC: the latest doctor?
Jan 29 21:05:08 <PatrickC> Tibfib_, its a vzw pre+ with a umts pre2's comms board in it
Jan 29 21:05:19 <PatrickC> destinal, we use this for mojo http://pastebin.com/ZeSUfaT4
Jan 29 21:10:44 <destinal> PatrickC: ugh, using the modelname is exactly the wrong way
Jan 29 21:11:19 <destinal> but at least you're also basing it on pixels
Jan 29 21:11:29 <destinal> in case it's not matched / some other device name
Jan 29 21:20:09 <invalidopcode> destinal: are you using mojo or enyo?
Jan 29 21:20:41 <destinal> invalidopcode: Enyo
Jan 29 21:21:00 <invalidopcode> you probably want to use this then: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html#enyo.fetchDeviceInfo
Jan 29 21:21:15 <destinal> invalidopcode: awesome thanks
Jan 29 21:21:25 <invalidopcode> destinal: no problem
Jan 29 21:35:03 <PuffTheMagic> has anyone in here played with enyo and hybrids on devices with HW keyboard
Jan 29 21:36:42 <minego> PuffTheMagic: I haven't tried on a device with a physical keyboard but I assume it acts a lot like running it in a browser on the desktop
Jan 29 21:38:07 <PatrickC> minego, ill have an android phone soon to test solitaire universe on if u want
Jan 29 21:38:31 <EricBlade> PuffTheMagic: that's a pretty broad question ..
Jan 29 21:38:34 <minego> PatrickC: Cool
Jan 29 21:39:25 <PatrickC> trading a a friend. giving him a pre+ and hes giving me his Sony Ericsson Xperia x10a
Jan 29 21:39:53 <PuffTheMagic> EricBlade, its a simple question though
Jan 29 21:40:11 <PuffTheMagic> EricBlade, and it isolates the people i want to talk to futher ;)
Jan 29 21:40:41 <EricBlade> well, gvoice is enyo, has the hybrid tts plugin, and works on 2.2 on pre2 and pre3, which have hardware keyboards
Jan 29 21:41:10 <PuffTheMagic> EricBlade, do process input from the keyboard in the plugin?
Jan 29 21:41:14 <PatrickC> EricBlade, what does gvoice use tts for?
Jan 29 21:41:56 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, wterm is running on my pre3
Jan 29 21:42:00 <PuffTheMagic> but input does not work ;(
Jan 29 21:42:00 <EricBlade> PatrickC: announcing "New Message", "New Voicemail", a caller's name or number, or reading a message.   PuffTheMagic: nope, just feed it text from the app
Jan 29 21:42:09 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, woo!
Jan 29 21:42:14 <PatrickC> have Adora fix it :P
Jan 29 21:42:30 <PatrickC> EricBlade, ah
Jan 29 21:42:54 <panel> hey all
Jan 29 21:43:49 <minego> oooh, wterm on the pre3 is exciting
Jan 29 21:44:27 <PatrickC> hey panel
Jan 29 21:48:12 <invalidopcode> hey panel
Jan 29 21:48:47 * PatrickC cant believe hes saying this, but i cant wait to get this android phone tonight
Jan 29 21:49:06 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: hahaha ICS?
Jan 29 21:49:11 <PatrickC> not yet ;)
Jan 29 21:49:22 <PatrickC> its a nice phone though. 1GHz snapdragon
Jan 29 21:49:29 <invalidopcode> ah nice!
Jan 29 21:49:40 <PatrickC> yep
Jan 29 21:50:03 <m0ngr31> does anyone know how to make a mojo app able to be open 2 or more times at the same time?
Jan 29 21:50:48 <PatrickC> multi-stage app
Jan 29 21:51:51 <m0ngr31> how hard is it?
Jan 29 21:52:01 <PatrickC> not too hard
Jan 29 21:52:11 <invalidopcode> extremely :P
Jan 29 21:52:39 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, shhh!! hehe
Jan 29 21:52:55 <m0ngr31> lol
Jan 29 21:53:14 <invalidopcode> i just like to be the optimistic one :P
Jan 29 21:53:20 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 29 21:53:30 <PatrickC> m0ngr31, dont mind invalidopcode, hes a high school student
Jan 29 21:53:33 * PatrickC hides
Jan 29 21:53:34 <PatrickC> :)
Jan 29 21:53:38 <m0ngr31> LOL
Jan 29 21:53:49 <invalidopcode> so are you PatrickC, and im older too :P
Jan 29 21:53:49 * PatrickC waits for invalidopcode to respond :P
Jan 29 21:53:53 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, haha
Jan 29 21:54:02 <m0ngr31> i'm trying to pull up webos101 because that's all i could find on it on google, but i guess it's down today
Jan 29 21:54:15 <PatrickC> m0ngr31, i think it is
Jan 29 21:54:17 <PatrickC> Roy-Pre101, ping?
Jan 29 22:02:02 <m0ngr31> i'll just try it when it comes back up
Jan 29 22:02:11 <m0ngr31> at least i know what to look for now
Jan 29 22:46:10 <haeffb> good evening, #webos
Jan 29 22:49:52 <invalidopcode> good afternoon haeffb
Jan 29 23:04:20 <EricBlade> good evening haeffb invalidopcode #webos
Jan 29 23:04:43 <haeffb> what's good today?
Jan 29 23:06:44 <PatrickC> haeffb, long time no see!!
Jan 29 23:07:35 <PatrickC> EricBlade, gvoice uses a node service, right?
Jan 29 23:07:45 <PatrickC> or a plugin in general?
Jan 29 23:07:48 <EricBlade> nope, i have no idea how to do that
Jan 29 23:07:56 <EricBlade> it does use the text-to-speech plugin
Jan 29 23:08:12 <PatrickC> im thinking, i would love gvoice on android :)
Jan 29 23:08:25 <PatrickC> minus the text to speech for now (as it probably wont work very good)
Jan 29 23:09:48 <PatrickC> EricBlade, i have to go, but u have my email if u want someone to test it :)
Jan 29 23:09:58 <PatrickC> after tonight ill have a phone and tablet with android to test them
Jan 29 23:10:02 <PatrickC> s/them/it/
Jan 29 23:10:29 <EricBlade> i'm not doing an android port until i or someone else figures out a way to make scrolling work right
Jan 29 23:10:31 <PatrickC> bbl
Jan 29 23:10:42 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: theirs an offical google voice client for android
Jan 29 23:10:50 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, yeah i know
Jan 29 23:10:50 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: and it -really- sucks
Jan 29 23:10:56 <PatrickC> theres also an official twitter client haha
Jan 29 23:11:00 <PatrickC> but it is really bad
Jan 29 23:11:04 <PatrickC> well, i got to go
Jan 29 23:11:04 <invalidopcode> really? on ics it doesn't
Jan 29 23:11:05 <PatrickC> be on later
Jan 29 23:11:10 <invalidopcode> bye PatrickC
Jan 29 23:11:12 <PatrickC> they both do :) imo
Jan 29 23:11:13 <PatrickC> bbl
Jan 29 23:11:27 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: unless there's a specific tablet version, the google voice for android is same on ics and phone
Jan 29 23:11:48 <EricBlade> which is barely an improvement over going to the mobile web site
Jan 29 23:11:51 <invalidopcode> the UI addapts a little differently on ICS for tablet
Jan 29 23:12:15 <EricBlade> maybe they've done an update to it, last time i looked at it was the day ICS alpha 0 came out
Jan 29 23:12:25 <Roy-Pre101> PatrickC_Away: Halloo
Jan 29 23:12:26 <EricBlade> oh, wait, no, i'm sorry
Jan 29 23:12:31 <EricBlade> i haven't seen it on ICS, it doesn't work on ICS
Jan 29 23:12:34 <EricBlade> on touchpad
Jan 29 23:13:01 <invalidopcode> Roy-Pre101: i think he just left, but he was going to tell you that webos101.com seems to be down
Jan 29 23:13:12 <Roy-Pre101> Yes.
Jan 29 23:13:18 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: it works on mine :/
Jan 29 23:13:23 <Roy-Pre101> All my sites are down.  Dreamhost is about to get a boot in the ass.
Jan 29 23:13:35 <invalidopcode> hahaha ok
Jan 29 23:13:52 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: hm. weird.  as soon as i boot ICS, it gives me "Google Voice has stopped running." and it gives me that error sporadically throughout the whole time i'm in it
Jan 29 23:15:27 <invalidopcode> did you make sure to install an ICS version of gapps?
Jan 29 23:15:54 <invalidopcode> cause its still working perfectly for me
Jan 29 23:16:27 <invalidopcode> facebook needs to update its app for ICS
Jan 29 23:57:00 <invalidopcode> oooo... boxcar.io is down... maybe thats why my app isn't working :P
Jan 30 00:16:27 <EricBlade> i was wondering why i had that site sitting here in an open tab from weeks ago
Jan 30 00:19:34 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: boxcar.io?
Jan 30 00:19:42 <EricBlade> yea
Jan 30 00:20:32 <invalidopcode> yeah, now that finals are over, i was going to work on it again, but their site is down
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