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Feb 10 03:36:53 <invalidopcode> is there a way to view your app's reviews from the palm developer center thing?
Feb 10 04:05:27 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: ping
Feb 10 04:39:22 <EricBlade1> invalidopcode: no. pong.
Feb 10 04:39:51 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: was that no an answer to my previous question?
Feb 10 04:47:48 <EricBlade1> invalidopcode: yes
Feb 10 04:58:09 <invalidopcode> ah ok thanks
Feb 10 06:52:47 <panel> hello all
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Feb 10 08:27:54 <destinal> is there a good inexpensive touchpad AC adapter out there?
Feb 10 08:29:28 <destinal> at this point I'm actually contemplating wiring a $7 ebay 12V laptop PSU to a cigarette lighter socket to one of wheel_nut's car chargers to charge a touchpad at 2amps.  yes, this seems extrmely silly
Feb 10 09:51:44 <burg> how can i use custom font in webos application? css font-face doesn`t seem to work
Feb 10 10:04:49 <panel> burg have you tried css font-family ?
Feb 10 10:07:39 <burg> panel, i want to use my custom font, which is not included in webos. i tried to declare it with font-face and use font-family in my css, but it is not working
Feb 10 10:08:07 <panel> ah so
Feb 10 10:10:23 <panel> there's no support as I know using custom font
Feb 10 10:10:34 <panel> only system fonts
Feb 10 10:11:30 <panel> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Fonts
Feb 10 12:02:16 * fxspec06 wish could define custom font across OS
Feb 10 14:56:14 <PuffTheMagic> scoutcamper, i had enough badges for a few palms but rant out of time, club volleyball and HS sports pushed me right to the end
Feb 10 14:56:26 <PuffTheMagic> s/rant/ran/
Feb 10 15:19:43 <Necrosan> PuffTheMagic: hah
Feb 10 15:19:46 <Necrosan> You jock
Feb 10 15:38:36 <EricBlade> TouchPad giveaway at MacMall .. https://twitter.com/#!/macmall_retail/status/162293953708822528
Feb 10 15:41:53 <EricBlade> here's the twitter contest http://www.macmall.com/n/macCustomPages-5088
Feb 10 16:39:12 <EricBlade> the good side of having HP "standing behind" us: my gf hit up the online text chat on her touchpad to ask about the crack by her speakers.  They asked a few questions, and then said they would send her an email confirmation and ship us a box to return the unit in.
Feb 10 16:39:18 <EricBlade> This was yesterday, about 4pm
Feb 10 16:39:57 <EricBlade> She was about to get back on chat with them today, at about 11:30am, when she hadn't yet received the email confirmation, when UPS knocks on our door with a package from HP.
Feb 10 16:40:22 <EricBlade> they overnighted the return box! it's faster than their email servers!
Feb 10 16:41:35 <destinal_> EricBlade: lol nice
Feb 10 16:43:15 <EricBlade> and the return box is next day air saturday delivery! wow
Feb 10 16:43:53 <EricBlade> the 3 shipments of this is going to cost them nearly as much as we paid for the touchpad :O
Feb 10 16:46:49 <PuffTheMagic> is there any way to get rid of the rounded card look in webos on phones?
Feb 10 17:10:27 <minego> PuffTheMagic: Shoudl wTerm be live for 2.1+ devices now? I don't see it.
Feb 10 17:16:06 <Boopop> Think I might be about to get a Pre 3 for £145 + P&P :)
Feb 10 17:40:05 <PuffTheMagic> minego: yes it should
Feb 10 17:40:49 <minego> PuffTheMagic: odd. I'll update feeds again...
Feb 10 17:42:38 <PuffTheMagic> minego: it wont show up on your device though, its blacklisted
Feb 10 17:43:09 <RagingMind> PuffTheMagic, the rounded corner thingy that covers up some of the text?
Feb 10 17:43:25 <PuffTheMagic> RagingMind: what about it?
Feb 10 17:43:54 <RagingMind> installed wterm 0.4-2 and for the most part seems to be working, but I did notice that
Feb 10 17:44:17 <PuffTheMagic> RagingMind: cards on webos phones have rounded corners
Feb 10 17:44:30 <PuffTheMagic> unless there is some magical way to remove them, idk
Feb 10 17:44:52 <RagingMind> then I dismissed a notification and I think the term window tried to resize and my phone locked up
Feb 10 17:45:34 <PuffTheMagic> what device?
Feb 10 17:45:46 <RagingMind> Pre+ 2.1
Feb 10 17:45:57 <PuffTheMagic> hmm
Feb 10 17:46:50 <PuffTheMagic> cant really test as I dont have a Pre+, shouldnt happen though
Feb 10 17:47:07 <RagingMind> but this phones been weird lately.  started being slow so I doctored and now some stuff doesn't run
Feb 10 17:48:06 <RagingMind> PuffTheMagic, well right now I'm working out how to build stuff with the pdk so I can be at least a little bit more helpful
Feb 10 17:49:38 <minego> PuffTheMagic: It showed up after another update. odd.
Feb 10 17:51:32 <minego> PuffTheMagic: I can't type a .
Feb 10 19:02:08 <minego> PuffTheMagic: Okay the "orange" key plus . does work but a . on it's own doesn't... kinda odd...
Feb 10 19:02:30 <minego> btw I am on my pre3 right now :)
Feb 10 19:02:40 <PuffTheMagic> minego: not ODD
Feb 10 19:02:42 <PuffTheMagic> on purpose
Feb 10 19:02:50 <PuffTheMagic> . alone is alt
Feb 10 19:03:02 <destinal_> minego: short on keys :)
Feb 10 19:03:55 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: in your hybrid can you use gesture area + key like we did in the NPAPI plugin btw or would that just conflict with what webOS wants to do with gesture area key combos?
Feb 10 19:04:17 <PuffTheMagic> sure, i dont see why not
Feb 10 19:04:26 <minego> PuffTheMagic: Oh, okay. I had missed that.
Feb 10 19:04:51 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: I don't even remember what we did in terminal with gesture area,  arrow keys, home, page up page down etc?
Feb 10 19:05:31 <minego> PuffTheMagic: is the usage of the keyboard documented somewhere?
Feb 10 19:06:03 <PuffTheMagic> minego: not really, a help scene is on the todo list
Feb 10 19:06:13 <PuffTheMagic> minego: ka6sox said he was gonna work on one but hasnt yet
Feb 10 19:06:25 <PuffTheMagic> if he doesnt soon and im bored i might
Feb 10 19:06:32 <minego> PuffTheMagic: Okay. That is understandable.
Feb 10 19:06:34 <minego> lol
Feb 10 19:07:03 <PuffTheMagic> . = alt
Feb 10 19:07:07 <PuffTheMagic> sym = ctrl
Feb 10 19:07:11 <PuffTheMagic> orange = meta
Feb 10 19:07:12 <minego> It is gonna take me a while to get used to hitting the orange key to type . hehe
Feb 10 19:07:22 <PuffTheMagic> but meta+. is the only meta keybinding
Feb 10 19:07:33 <PuffTheMagic> minego: i cant beleive u type that many .
Feb 10 19:07:46 <minego> PuffTheMagic: lol
Feb 10 19:08:15 <minego> I can deal. It is worth it to have alt.
Feb 10 19:09:04 <minego> PuffTheMagic: Any plans to allow copying text?
Feb 10 19:09:48 <PuffTheMagic> minego: there is plans for official ncurses mouse support
Feb 10 19:09:52 <PuffTheMagic> and once that is added
Feb 10 19:09:58 <PuffTheMagic> i can add copying to that
Feb 10 19:11:34 <minego> PuffTheMagic: nice. That will be cool.
Feb 10 19:12:34 <PuffTheMagic> minego: its pretty much the next thing on the todo list
Feb 10 19:13:05 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: ncurses has mouse support?
Feb 10 19:13:47 <destinal_> wow, so it does.  all this time I had no idea
Feb 10 19:14:42 <PuffTheMagic> destinal_: huh?
Feb 10 19:15:17 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: The ncurses library also provides a mouse interface.   NOTE: this facility is specific to ncurses, it is not part of either the XSI Curses standard, nor of System V Release 4, nor BSD curses. System V Release 4 curses contains code with similar interface definitions, however it is not documented
Feb 10 19:15:19 <destinal_> etc
Feb 10 19:15:21 <minego> lol
Feb 10 19:16:33 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: I figured that's what you meant when you said you were going to make wTerm have ncurses mouse support
Feb 10 19:19:01 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Feb 10 19:19:24 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: how do I get the characters that the sym key would normally give me?
Feb 10 19:19:44 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis: implement a enyo popup with them and submit me a patch
Feb 10 19:19:49 <PuffTheMagic> or fork and send me a pull request
Feb 10 19:19:52 <summatusmentis> le sigh
Feb 10 19:20:10 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis: or figure out how to tap into the native key selector
Feb 10 19:20:11 <summatusmentis> I guess I forgot that this is all enyo
Feb 10 19:22:21 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard#Technical_Background.2C_Explanation_and_History explains it
Feb 10 19:23:19 <summatusmentis> looks like popping that up should be pretty straightforward (if I understand what the wiki says)
Feb 10 19:23:37 <summatusmentis> I use passwords with non-available characters in them
Feb 10 19:23:40 <summatusmentis> which is why I ask
Feb 10 19:24:38 <PuffTheMagic> what characters are you missing
Feb 10 19:24:52 <PuffTheMagic> it mean it would be really easy to add a button to the phone-vkb that does what sym did
Feb 10 19:25:13 <destinal_> summatusmentis: please can you provide your exact password so we can ensure all characters are represented?  :P
Feb 10 19:25:58 <summatusmentis> no
Feb 10 19:26:12 <destinal_> aww
Feb 10 19:26:49 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: pretty much any that are accessilbe on the num row of a normal keyboard
Feb 10 19:27:17 <PuffTheMagic> im sure i can create an enyo version of that charselector
Feb 10 21:14:25 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: fyisies, wterm+cmatrix exhibition doesn't do the right thin on my pre2
Feb 10 21:14:29 <summatusmentis> I'm just seeing a grey screen
Feb 10 21:24:35 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis: i have an idea what that is
Feb 10 21:24:53 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis: the orientation changing code that we have in the main term is not in the exhibition mode kind
Feb 10 21:26:10 <summatusmentis> fair enough
Feb 10 21:26:18 <summatusmentis> just figured I'd let you know
Feb 10 21:48:02 <Boopop> Hello EricBlade :) Any update on your subsonic app?
Feb 10 21:48:32 <EricBlade> Boopop: GVoice and the day job have taken my whole week ..
Feb 10 21:48:44 <Boopop> Ah that sucks
Feb 10 21:48:50 <Boopop> get Gvoice fixed in the end?
Feb 10 21:48:57 <EricBlade> I think it is mostly fixed now
Feb 10 21:48:59 <Boopop> :)
Feb 10 21:50:08 <EricBlade> not only did i get it fixed, but it also for the most part runs on virtually every mobile system now
Feb 10 21:54:00 <Boopop> Nice
Feb 10 23:00:58 <summatusmentis> http://www.geekwire.com/2012/usa-today-app-installs-show-kindle-fires-rapid-rise-android-tablets
Feb 10 23:01:18 <summatusmentis> USA Today shared their mobile download numbers
Feb 10 23:01:22 <summatusmentis> Touchpad is #3
Feb 10 23:01:39 <summatusmentis> (in the tablet section)
Feb 10 23:01:49 <summatusmentis> and only slightly behind Kindle Fire
Feb 11 00:30:35 <originalserver> I selling dedicated servers in different countries, only windows xp, 2003,2008, seven! write who need them.
Feb 11 00:45:47 <mtgibbs> hi...can anyone help me with a broken sprint pre2?
Feb 11 00:46:54 <mtgibbs> join #webos-internals
Feb 11 00:59:54 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis: wTerm now has a custom character selector in enyo -> http://ompldr.org/vY3Iycg/wterm_2012-10-02_195722.png
Feb 11 01:10:14 <lonequid> o
Feb 11 01:10:16 <lonequid> oops
Feb 11 01:35:44 <minego> PuffTheMagic: How do you use page up and down ona phone?
Feb 11 01:40:01 <PuffTheMagic> what do u like just expect all these things to work magically?
Feb 11 01:40:02 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Feb 11 01:40:09 <PuffTheMagic> i havent connected them yet
Feb 11 01:40:22 <minego> haha
Feb 11 01:40:29 <PuffTheMagic> maybe orange + tap
Feb 11 01:40:50 <minego> that is what i had assumed
Feb 11 01:41:36 <PuffTheMagic> minego, file a bug so I dont forget
Feb 11 01:41:46 <PuffTheMagic> which i probably will cause i've been hittin the IPA
Feb 11 01:41:55 <Brybry> lol, I looked at the keys and I was like, "huh. how did we not notice that"
Feb 11 01:42:58 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, the char selector needs a little tweaking but for the most part its pretty bad ass
Feb 11 01:43:08 <minego> PuffTheMagic: I'll enter it when I get back to a computer
Feb 11 01:43:21 <PuffTheMagic> close as I could get to emulating the mojo picker
Feb 11 01:43:45 <Brybry> yeah, I haven't tested it yet but the screenshot looked nice
Feb 11 01:44:22 <PuffTheMagic> i need to catch onmouseout and set the visual upstate
Feb 11 01:46:07 <fxspec06> hola
Feb 11 01:56:59 <PuffTheMagic> hovito
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