**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 13 02:59:58 2012 Feb 13 03:01:27 ? Preware is free... Feb 13 03:02:52 it is but for example they tell you to install it by referring to a documentation package that costs $0.99 on the HP App Catalog Feb 13 03:03:12 which I think is better than downloading and running random executables that I don't know what they do exactly Feb 13 03:03:18 you can just look up the instructions on google Feb 13 03:03:28 yeah Feb 13 03:03:39 that app doc is just instructions on how to do it Feb 13 03:04:11 like yes, you should buy it to help support rwhitby, but is not necessary to install preware Feb 13 03:04:34 plus, it walks you through like, everything Feb 13 03:05:48 yeah I like that Feb 13 03:06:23 support webOS internals. Feb 13 03:06:24 :) Feb 13 03:08:33 wtf Feb 13 03:08:48 why the content of enyo.Header should be centered Feb 13 03:08:50 but its not Feb 13 04:31:11 I wish webos apps could be controlled better via keyboard Feb 13 04:31:15 instead of all this touching Feb 13 04:33:21 yeah, they don't really have much concept of focus control though I think if someone really wanted to they could technically make it happen Feb 13 04:36:00 I got the touchpad keyboard.. it has some handy function keys Feb 13 04:36:08 I can control app switching and closing with the keyboard Feb 13 04:36:16 Launching to some extent with the search function Feb 13 04:36:36 the apps themselves don't seem to understand much except tab and type Feb 13 04:52:06 what would be cool is a keyboard shortcut that could cycle through cards successively without actually having to zoom out and select Feb 13 04:55:10 is there any way to reorder or regroup cards? Feb 13 04:55:15 or otherwise screw with them? Feb 13 04:55:20 they don't actually seem very moveable Feb 13 04:56:09 in code? no Feb 13 04:56:35 you can stack cards on top of each other, split them apart, re-order them, etc Feb 13 04:57:07 just hold them and start dragging Feb 13 04:58:00 I do that but they don't really end up going anywhere Feb 13 04:58:24 oh oh Feb 13 04:58:26 it's working Feb 13 04:58:31 cool Feb 13 04:58:41 I think what I was doing wrong is that I wasn't holding down long enough for them to go into "edit" mode Feb 13 04:58:45 yeah Feb 13 04:58:50 I was just trying to quick drag them Feb 13 04:59:05 wow webos just got 10x better for me Feb 13 04:59:27 you can also spread/contract big stacks of grouped cards, like fanning a deck...it's a cool looking effect Feb 13 05:01:38 yeah Feb 13 05:01:47 I can't control that very well thought Feb 13 05:01:57 hey seem to spread and contract automatically when you move the stack Feb 13 05:02:08 you pinch-zoom them Feb 13 05:02:23 so stack up about 10 cards and then do the finger-spread thing Feb 13 05:06:38 is there are known scrolling issue Feb 13 05:07:01 I've seen in two different apps scrollable text not appearing at the bottom Feb 13 05:07:10 like scroll down and the last couple lines of text don't render Feb 13 05:28:22 * PatrickC wanders in Feb 13 05:44:38 so who here loves webos Feb 13 05:47:07 * PatrickC does Feb 13 05:52:19 * PatrickC just lost probably 25 followers on twitter..., Feb 13 05:52:26 doing a little cleaning of all the spam followers Feb 13 06:07:30 hey PuffTheMagic, in wterm on the touchpad, the keyboard looks kindof strange on landscape mode Feb 13 06:08:29 * lahestani likes it Feb 13 06:10:23 ah.. its just that the keys are smaller and harder to hit imo Feb 13 06:12:07 That's what I hate about all touchscreen keyboards Feb 13 06:12:17 haha Feb 13 06:12:28 I wish webos had swype or something Feb 13 06:12:37 or decent Persian support Feb 13 06:12:45 hey invalidopcode-TP Feb 13 06:13:01 hey PatrickC Feb 13 06:13:08 hows it goin? Feb 13 06:13:42 good Feb 13 06:13:43 you? Feb 13 06:13:44 I see you two know each other Feb 13 06:13:58 invalidopcode-TP, keys are smaller in landscape? Feb 13 06:14:21 PuffTheMagic: yup. is that by design or a bug? Feb 13 06:14:25 are u hitting the bug where its using the portrait keys in landscape? Feb 13 06:14:35 invalidopcode-TP, going good over here Feb 13 06:14:41 lahestani, kinda :) Feb 13 06:14:42 PuffTheMagic: yuo Feb 13 06:14:44 *yup Feb 13 06:14:50 as well as one can know someone over IRC lol Feb 13 06:14:52 invalidopcode-TP, toggle your rotation lock Feb 13 06:14:54 and it will fix this Feb 13 06:15:07 this is fixed upstream already Feb 13 06:15:10 ah haha thank Feb 13 06:15:13 you Feb 13 06:15:35 * PatrickC needs to get his link code fixed Feb 13 06:15:37 ah yes... now for nmap snooping from the touchpad :P Feb 13 06:15:48 * PatrickC has been slacking off from coding the past week or two Feb 13 06:16:13 oh PuffTheMagic how does the backlog work? like how do you scroll back? Feb 13 06:16:40 right now its shift+pgup Feb 13 06:16:47 which is fn+shift+up Feb 13 06:17:07 ah Feb 13 06:17:08 test Feb 13 06:17:13 fail Feb 13 06:17:15 :) Feb 13 06:17:21 you might want to make that a little more user friendly :P Feb 13 06:17:35 I'm having scrolling issues with this damn thing Feb 13 06:17:46 wIRC? Feb 13 06:17:49 going into landscape mode seems to have fixed it Feb 13 06:17:50 yeah Feb 13 06:17:57 touchpad? Feb 13 06:18:04 si senor Feb 13 06:18:11 wait, u said landscape mode... lol Feb 13 06:18:18 that can only be the touchpad :) Feb 13 06:18:23 nice Feb 13 06:18:27 that bug has been there since the touchpad came out i think lol Feb 13 06:18:43 well, since wIRC was touchpad optimized Feb 13 06:18:52 is it a webos bug Feb 13 06:18:55 * PatrickC hopes to hear back from his WP contact tomorrow Feb 13 06:18:57 lol, optimized Feb 13 06:19:00 preware had it, then someone fixed it Feb 13 06:19:14 PuffTheMagic, i was going to say "optimized" but didnt want to be too harsh :P Feb 13 06:19:16 PatrickC: your Windows Phone contact? Feb 13 06:19:23 it works for what we need it to do :) Feb 13 06:19:25 invalidopcode, yeah Feb 13 06:19:30 ah Feb 13 06:19:31 well, Nokia Feb 13 06:19:40 to be specific Feb 13 06:19:49 * invalidopcode is waiting for his blackberry app for be approved Feb 13 06:19:49 webos seems to make a better desktop os than it would a mobile device system Feb 13 06:19:50 PatrickC, hacked would have been an appropriate term Feb 13 06:19:52 trying to get a nokia dev device for an app i want to port Feb 13 06:20:02 invalidopcode, same app? Feb 13 06:20:05 PuffTheMagic, lol Feb 13 06:20:07 PatrickC: yup Feb 13 06:20:14 how far did enyo wIRC get before it kinda stopped? Feb 13 06:20:26 or as far as it is in the box is as far as it got? Feb 13 06:20:30 invalidopcode, nice Feb 13 06:20:38 PatrickC, umm its like 85% to basic usage Feb 13 06:20:49 night micah ( minegoZzZzZz ) Feb 13 06:20:59 so PM, highlights, etc. work now? Feb 13 06:21:02 * PatrickC should try it out Feb 13 06:21:22 ehhh Feb 13 06:21:28 i said basic Feb 13 06:21:43 * PatrickC counted those 2 as basic Feb 13 06:21:54 :) Feb 13 06:22:09 * PuffTheMagic wTerm and irssie now :/ Feb 13 06:22:20 * PuffTheMagic cant believe he admits that Feb 13 06:22:33 i should learn to use irssi (and a lot of other terminal programs) Feb 13 06:22:36 tsk tsk Feb 13 06:22:37 just wondering, would anyone be interested in a nmap app for the touchpad? Feb 13 06:22:48 but till im on linux/os x perminately, no can do.. :/ Feb 13 06:22:58 invalidopcode, if you build it they will come Feb 13 06:23:03 nmap? lol Feb 13 06:23:18 haha yeah wrea, im thinking about building one Feb 13 06:23:40 I love irssi Feb 13 06:23:43 is it ported to webos Feb 13 06:23:46 PatrickC: https://www.google.com/search?q=nmap Feb 13 06:23:50 lol Feb 13 06:23:57 better then a lmgtfy link hehe Feb 13 06:24:11 lahestani, irssi runs on linux, no porting necessary Feb 13 06:24:21 invalidopcode, i probably wouldnt use it lol Feb 13 06:24:39 its fun for poking around networks and seeing who's on it Feb 13 06:24:40 true but I need it in package form Feb 13 06:24:43 u can use nmap from opware in wTerm Feb 13 06:25:01 irssis in optware too Feb 13 06:25:12 * PatrickC thinks PuffTheMagic users wTerm for everything :) Feb 13 06:25:31 oh ok Feb 13 06:25:47 PuffTheMagic: yeah thats what im doing right now, but it would be a whole lot easier with a nice enyo app Feb 13 06:26:01 wterm is a nice enyo app Feb 13 06:26:47 haha Feb 13 06:27:09 if it makes you feel good PuffTheMagic i use wterm every day for managing a linux server over ssh Feb 13 06:27:20 what is the deal with optware Feb 13 06:27:29 why does it require its own partition Feb 13 06:27:45 I mean file system Feb 13 06:28:01 optware is designed to be installed in /opt Feb 13 06:28:04 which is on rootfs Feb 13 06:28:05 yes Feb 13 06:28:09 which has like 100mb free Feb 13 06:28:18 * lahestani looks but didn't find irssi Feb 13 06:28:20 is it hidden Feb 13 06:28:27 so u need to create a new partition or loopback Feb 13 06:28:31 and mount it there Feb 13 06:28:38 else risk running out of space Feb 13 06:28:48 which is never good Feb 13 06:28:53 lahestani, did u update the package list Feb 13 06:29:01 my eclipse is using 600% cpu right now :( Feb 13 06:29:06 stupid palm-log Feb 13 06:29:16 u use eclipse? Feb 13 06:29:26 ya Feb 13 06:29:33 I think I did Feb 13 06:29:34 i havent used that since i started programming.. and even then my laptop could barely handle it so i didnt use it lol Feb 13 06:29:49 * PatrickC uses ipkg-opt install to install optware Feb 13 06:29:57 it appears to update whenever I open preware Feb 13 06:30:00 PatrickC, thats impossible Feb 13 06:30:13 PuffTheMagic, is that not optware? Feb 13 06:30:27 u cant install optware with ipkg-opt Feb 13 06:30:34 optware provides ipkg-opt Feb 13 06:30:36 opware packages* Feb 13 06:30:47 lahestani, in preware install the optware advanced command line installer Feb 13 06:31:09 then ipkg-opt update Feb 13 06:31:13 PuffTheMagic, i find a regular text editor and a makefile work perfectly for app dev'ing Feb 13 06:31:16 then u should be able to install it Feb 13 06:31:28 oh ok Feb 13 06:31:42 hey what is luna Feb 13 06:31:54 a fun and magical place we cant explore yet Feb 13 06:31:55 PatrickC, what editor Feb 13 06:32:03 i use Sublime Text 2 Feb 13 06:32:26 it has gotten a lot better over the past year or so that ive been using it Feb 13 06:32:30 by the way, if I install the openssh package, is it going to run an ssh server? Feb 13 06:32:31 i like perspectives in eclipse Feb 13 06:32:33 I just want the ssh client Feb 13 06:33:01 i also like the webos palm-log integration when it doesnt go crazy on me Feb 13 06:33:10 i also need real mouse support so vim/emacs is out Feb 13 06:33:13 how does it not go crazy? Feb 13 06:33:36 thats why i use sublime text 2 and a makefile that does all my commands with just running "make patrick" Feb 13 06:33:36 close your app properly i think Feb 13 06:33:57 wow.. ive had a registered nick for IRC for over a year.. time flies lol Feb 13 06:33:59 but then i would have to novaterm in and tail -f syslog Feb 13 06:34:01 or Feb 13 06:34:04 use palm-log Feb 13 06:34:06 palm-log -f Feb 13 06:34:19 * halfhalo just looks at the device sharply for the logs Feb 13 06:34:56 palm-package --use-v1-format . Feb 13 06:34:57 palm-install *.ipk Feb 13 06:34:57 rm *.ipk Feb 13 06:34:57 palm-launch appid Feb 13 06:34:57 palm-log -f appid Feb 13 06:35:01 thats my makefile Feb 13 06:35:10 * PatrickC didnt think it would format like that lol Feb 13 06:35:30 so u have a race condition there Feb 13 06:35:34 might miss early shit Feb 13 06:35:42 race condition? Feb 13 06:35:55 u dont see the log until its launched Feb 13 06:36:02 which means u miss all the early init stuff Feb 13 06:36:04 * Brybry just leaves palm-log running constantly in its own window Feb 13 06:36:21 and tail -f running constantly in its own ssh session Feb 13 06:36:22 i dont normally have to deal with any of that Feb 13 06:36:32 but that is a good point Feb 13 06:36:42 Brybry, thats a good idea Feb 13 06:36:51 * PatrickC loves multiple tabs in the cmd line on linux Feb 13 06:37:01 I find palm-log lags out sometimes though =/ Feb 13 06:37:19 i usually novaterm in an tail -f /var/log/messages | grep appid Feb 13 06:37:28 then i can get my plugins logs too Feb 13 06:37:48 we dont use plugins in macaw Feb 13 06:37:52 no need for that one Feb 13 06:38:02 * PatrickC needs to look into the synnergy service though Feb 13 06:38:06 thanks for reminding me PuffTheMagic lol Feb 13 06:38:11 * PuffTheMagic gives PatrickC a cookie Feb 13 06:38:21 and a bowl of dicks Feb 13 06:38:32 ... Feb 13 06:39:09 when I try to do ipkg-opt update it says permission denied Feb 13 06:39:19 r u root? Feb 13 06:39:38 no Feb 13 06:39:52 I cannot run su because it says suid something Feb 13 06:40:05 u didnt set a root password when u started wterm then Feb 13 06:40:17 run the setup from the menu Feb 13 06:40:23 and set a root pass Feb 13 06:40:46 ok I set it Feb 13 06:42:29 interesting Feb 13 06:42:54 now the root password has been set, it cannot be unset :( Feb 13 06:46:50 ok I updated the thingy Feb 13 06:46:55 but how do I browse the packages Feb 13 06:47:51 ipkg-opt list I believe Feb 13 06:48:21 probably need a | less in there too Feb 13 06:48:34 yeah Feb 13 06:48:37 I found the wiki page Feb 13 06:49:03 whoa bitlbee is on here Feb 13 06:49:07 I'm not sure the search command works or it's very dumb as it remember it not working for me Feb 13 06:51:24 woo nethack Feb 13 06:51:51 lahestani: you can setup bitlbee and then use wirc as a jabber client Feb 13 06:52:02 yeah Feb 13 06:52:15 that could be my ticket to getting facebook chat to work on this thing Feb 13 06:52:48 * PatrickC goes to prod NuttyBunny to fix the messaging plugins Feb 13 06:56:03 does anyone know of any good documentation for writing PDK plugins? Feb 13 06:56:29 * PatrickC points to PuffTheMagic :) Feb 13 06:56:54 haha i was hoping for something online so i didn't have to bug him :P Feb 13 06:56:59 i /think/ (dont quote me on this lol) that wIRC enyo uses an Enyo PDK plugin Feb 13 06:57:05 he would know where the docs would be Feb 13 06:57:09 * PatrickC goes to look as well Feb 13 06:57:13 ok Feb 13 06:57:31 invalidopcode, https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/enyo-hybrid.html Feb 13 06:57:32 this? Feb 13 06:57:47 not much help.... Feb 13 06:58:02 im more looking for a hello world Feb 13 06:58:02 I still can't figure out what luna is Feb 13 06:58:05 thats the general idea of what u want to do, right? Feb 13 06:58:13 lahestani, what all do u want to know about it? Feb 13 06:58:25 is it a software Feb 13 06:58:26 lahestani: its the UI interface of webos Feb 13 06:58:33 lahestani: yes Feb 13 06:58:35 oh o_o Feb 13 06:58:41 you mean like all the UI widgets and stuff Feb 13 06:58:52 no, thats Enyo (for the most part) Feb 13 06:58:57 hrm Feb 13 06:59:08 why would I ever want to reset luna Feb 13 06:59:12 well yeah, it manages all of that as well as services Feb 13 06:59:14 the UI in terms of the actual UI of the device (menus, home page, etc.) is luna Feb 13 06:59:23 * Brybry goes with window manager? Feb 13 06:59:29 it re-scans and re-indexes all the files on the device iirc Feb 13 06:59:33 Brybry, exactly! Feb 13 07:01:33 weird Feb 13 07:01:36 so it's more than just ui Feb 13 07:02:11 u can do a luna-rescan via preware and that (99% of the time in my experiences) does what a luna reboot does Feb 13 07:02:21 but it doesnt /always/ work for it Feb 13 07:02:25 sometimes it needs a reboot Feb 13 07:03:11 invalidopcode, this helphttp://webos101.com/Hybrid_Plugin_Example Feb 13 07:03:14 http://webos101.com/Hybrid_Plugin_Example * Feb 13 07:03:34 ah thanks! Feb 13 07:06:52 multiple devices on the same IRC server/bouncer === awesome! :) Feb 13 07:21:43 So this is what my Touchpad has been reduced to... a mere IRC client Feb 13 07:28:24 once we get better app support we can take over the world Feb 13 07:28:51 we will rule the world!!! Feb 13 07:28:54 right? Feb 13 07:28:55 :) Feb 13 07:29:19 yes Feb 13 07:29:37 I wish we had push messaging Feb 13 07:29:47 like what's up with this notification check interval nonsense Feb 13 07:30:29 I wonder if the community will integrate that Feb 13 07:30:44 I hope they do Feb 13 07:30:48 into open webOS Feb 13 07:31:26 and the ability to run android apps Feb 13 07:32:03 actually we don't need any of that stuff Feb 13 07:32:27 * PatrickC is lost Feb 13 07:32:33 why don't we need push? Feb 13 07:32:53 I mean Feb 13 07:32:56 we don't need Android apps Feb 13 07:32:58 but push yeah Feb 13 07:33:00 that would be cool Feb 13 07:33:13 android apps can be solved by having them ported :) Feb 13 07:33:23 yeah Feb 13 07:33:41 I think webos has higher power consumption in general compared to things like Android Feb 13 07:33:49 I need Enyo 2.0 already Feb 13 07:33:59 webos should be emphasized to run on net tops with touch screens Feb 13 07:34:02 power consumption =? battery? Feb 13 07:34:05 yeah Feb 13 07:34:15 or maybe on laptops Feb 13 07:34:26 but for handhelds tablets it seems like android is a more obvious choice Feb 13 07:34:30 I would *LOVE* webOS on my computer as an OS Feb 13 07:34:41 it seems difficult to believe, but apparently Blackberry's WebKit is even more primitive than we feel webOS's is when it doesn't work right Feb 13 07:34:46 I refuse to run Android daily Feb 13 07:34:59 actually now that I think about it, webos is perfect for tablets Feb 13 07:35:06 there's a more primitive WebKit out there? :P Feb 13 07:35:12 webos is freaking amazing on tablets Feb 13 07:35:13 lol Feb 13 07:35:25 lol Feb 13 07:35:27 webOS is amazing on anything Feb 13 07:35:33 yes Feb 13 07:35:35 well a lot of Androids have more primitive webkits Feb 13 07:35:50 "Chuck Norris runs webOS on his Etch-a-sketch" Feb 13 07:35:52 :) Feb 13 07:35:59 but Blackberry's was just throwing random errors at me on things that have been supported for longer than webOS has been around Feb 13 07:36:11 on my handset I'm fairly satisfied with Android Feb 13 07:36:15 wow Feb 13 07:36:25 but webos seems to have more of that "pc operating system" feel to it Feb 13 07:36:27 lahestani: my philosephy... Feb 13 07:36:47 if I need *anti-virus* on my phone, someone failed somewhere along the line Feb 13 07:36:56 * lahestani doesn't need antivirus Feb 13 07:37:43 ok, how about if a virus hits 2million users cause the parent company is too lazy to scan the apps for viruses? Feb 13 07:38:00 am I the only one who is reminded of beos by webos Feb 13 07:38:12 * PatrickC never used beos Feb 13 07:38:19 hmm Feb 13 07:38:23 or really, never heard of it haha Feb 13 07:38:30 apparently Palm owned Be for some time before splitting up Feb 13 07:38:43 it was an OS in the 90's that was like 20 years ahead of its time Feb 13 07:38:58 it was a commercial product and failed to compete with Windows, therefore it failed Feb 13 07:39:03 * PatrickC was born in '96 Feb 13 07:39:10 * lahestani feels old Feb 13 07:39:13 i don't think Be's OS time will ever come Feb 13 07:39:14 lol Feb 13 07:39:16 I was born in 86 Feb 13 07:39:29 Be's IP is now owned by Access Co. as far as I know Feb 13 07:39:39 HP didn't get it Feb 13 07:39:47 push* is retarded Feb 13 07:39:55 because Palm was split into Palmsource Feb 13 07:39:56 you should just go back to your BB right now Feb 13 07:40:05 hey even Android has push now Feb 13 07:40:17 that's how I get my FB messages so elegantly Feb 13 07:40:17 I hated every moment I spend on BB Feb 13 07:40:24 only cause it has a critical mass of ex retarded BB owners Feb 13 07:40:24 Be had phenomenal multitasking, and not anything else going for it Feb 13 07:40:25 fuck push Feb 13 07:40:27 I used to like my BB lol Feb 13 07:40:32 FB.. psh.. who uses that any more Feb 13 07:40:33 :P Feb 13 07:40:42 Their BeBox computers had incredible specs, and were just as incredibly priced Feb 13 07:40:43 lol Feb 13 07:40:52 lol Feb 13 07:41:03 kinda like Mac OS X today and Macs :P Feb 13 07:41:22 kinda. except they were trying to compete with NeXT at the time Feb 13 07:41:34 if I remember correctly NeXT and Be were around at the same time Feb 13 07:41:35 still Steve Jobs ;) Feb 13 07:41:56 didn't Jobs own NeXT for a while? Feb 13 07:42:00 BeOS was almost successfully marketed to Apple Feb 13 07:42:12 but I guess they asked for too much money or something Feb 13 07:42:19 Apple bought NeXT instead Feb 13 07:42:21 "I run BeOS on my iMac!" Feb 13 07:42:22 lol Feb 13 07:42:26 :D Feb 13 07:42:37 NeXT machines were pricey Feb 13 07:42:41 the blackberry tablet ui feels like a cheap knockoff of webos Feb 13 07:42:52 nice Feb 13 07:42:57 well the task switch UI anyway Feb 13 07:42:58 * PatrickC is gonna find an old version of BeOS and install it on his MacBook when he gets it :) Feb 13 07:43:10 try Haiku OS Feb 13 07:43:15 EricBlade1: that's what they said when it was released Feb 13 07:43:18 or Windows Feb 13 07:43:32 I've hears strange things about this "windows" operating system Feb 13 07:43:37 some of the UI elements are much nicer, although with access to nothing but the Browser and my own apps on the emulator, I can't really get much of a feel for it Feb 13 07:43:56 EricBlade1: they lock it down that much? Feb 13 07:43:57 wow Feb 13 07:44:23 WP7 locks theirs down a lot too.. which is why I'm hoping for a real device (soon-ish) Feb 13 07:44:54 You can't imagine how happy I was when I discovered how not-locked-down webos is Feb 13 07:44:54 PatrickC: settings app, browser, that's all that's on there Feb 13 07:45:06 yeah the webOS emulator comes with all the stock apps Feb 13 07:45:30 the webOS emu is a device in full practically Feb 13 07:45:50 there are very few things that can't be tested on the emu afaik Feb 13 07:45:57 ok, XO is at 100% functionality except for the "Help" box that needs to be able to open links Feb 13 07:45:57 app wise* Feb 13 07:46:06 oops this isn't the enyojs channel Feb 13 07:46:13 lol Feb 13 07:47:33 * PatrickC is off to bed Feb 13 07:47:38 night guys Feb 13 07:47:54 night Feb 13 07:48:31 So Enyo like a totally brand new thing Feb 13 07:48:54 Enyo has been around for months :) Feb 13 07:49:43 haha Feb 13 07:49:46 yeah Enyo was developed as a framework for the TouchPad Feb 13 07:50:00 so basically the touchpad shipped with it Feb 13 07:50:07 Enyo 2.0 is new though, and that's being developed especially for being multi-platform Feb 13 07:50:49 smart move Feb 13 07:51:05 they really hit this awesome moment where every platform on earth now has a browser that can be at least finagled into running javascript things as apps Feb 13 07:51:20 the multi platform aspect of it together with webos open source should get the platform to see more adoption Feb 13 07:52:00 tbh I'm not that thrilled about webos' browser Feb 13 07:52:22 the UI is excellent but performance wise it's kind of meh Feb 13 07:53:50 i'm just hoping that the UI bits for Enyo 2.0 are better looking than the bland crap we got in 1.0 Feb 13 07:54:02 it felt like I was working with IBM all over again Feb 13 07:54:09 grey grey grey grey grey grey *BLACK* grey grey grey Feb 13 07:54:11 ha Feb 13 07:54:45 i know the palm people can make snazzy icons and stuff Feb 13 07:54:51 or at least they used to be able to Feb 13 07:55:03 having a Touchpad makes me want to get a Pre Feb 13 07:55:20 the "System Updates" icon in webOS being a wrapped present made me happy Feb 13 07:55:34 lol Feb 13 07:55:37 by the way Feb 13 07:55:43 when I go to look at my installed packages Feb 13 07:55:49 a couple of them are missing their icons Feb 13 07:55:51 what's up with that Feb 13 07:55:53 then when I saw the "Send" button in email and messages being a paper airplane, I giggled for like 10 minutes Feb 13 07:56:26 in the Software Manager? Feb 13 07:57:23 looks like things where the dev forgot to provide an icon for that Feb 13 07:58:16