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Feb 17 03:49:15 <cwayne> PatrickC_Away: hey!
Feb 17 04:44:00 <rp1> ?
Feb 17 04:48:12 <minego> what?
Feb 17 04:52:49 <wrea> The correct response would have been "!"
Feb 17 04:54:01 <scoutcamper> 42
Feb 17 04:54:26 <rp1> 42 is the *right* answer.
Feb 17 04:54:39 * scoutcamper winsd
Feb 17 04:55:24 <minego> actually, 42 is the wrong answer
Feb 17 04:55:42 <minego> If you disagree then you haven't read all the books (or haven't read them carefully enough)
Feb 17 04:55:49 <halfhalo> with inflation, its actually 52
Feb 17 04:56:09 <rp1> :-)
Feb 17 04:57:05 <rp1> so where is the lively conversation and so on?
Feb 17 04:57:31 <rp1> ideas, collaboration and the wellspring of freedom that the Internet affords?
Feb 17 04:57:36 <rp1> all of that...
Feb 17 04:57:42 <minego> umm...
Feb 17 04:57:57 <rp1> do I smell bad, is that the problem?
Feb 17 04:58:05 <minego> So yeah, the internet is supposed to provide all that...
Feb 17 04:58:06 <rp1> perhaps not enough deodorant,..
Feb 17 04:58:11 <minego> but really... it mostly just provides porn
Feb 17 04:58:26 <rp1> well that is the main purpose of the Internet
Feb 17 04:58:49 <rp1> but secondarily
Feb 17 04:59:16 <rp1> aren't there supposed to be a bunch of smart people who I can talk to about everything?
Feb 17 04:59:26 <minego> no
Feb 17 04:59:36 <rp1> wait.. maybe that's my synagogue...
Feb 17 04:59:39 <rp1> something
Feb 17 04:59:47 <rp1> there is supposed to be something surely
Feb 17 04:59:52 <minego> nope
Feb 17 04:59:54 <minego> This is it
Feb 17 05:00:00 <rp1> story of my life
Feb 17 05:00:06 <minego> Just me, and that guy over there
Feb 17 05:00:20 <rp1> oh well - do you have an opinion?
Feb 17 05:00:24 <rp1> at least one?
Feb 17 05:00:28 <rp1> that you can share?
Feb 17 05:00:31 <minego> no
Feb 17 05:00:48 <rp1> perhaps that could be a good thing..  but I'm up for some entertaining conversation
Feb 17 05:00:57 <rp1> perhaps start drinking and then
Feb 17 05:01:07 <minego> I've been drinking
Feb 17 05:01:08 <rp1> inevitably there will be an opinion
Feb 17 05:01:23 <rp1> no opinions and you have been drinking?
Feb 17 05:01:30 <rp1> you are not drinking the right stuff
Feb 17 05:02:06 <rp1> min ego..  that is very kind of zen of you
Feb 17 05:02:30 <rp1> min as in minimum
Feb 17 05:02:32 <minego> Right....
Feb 17 05:02:39 <minego> it's actually mi-ne-go
Feb 17 05:02:40 <rp1> or if it is swedish then it would just be my ego
Feb 17 05:02:53 <minego> It is the first 2 letters of my first, middle and last names.
Feb 17 05:03:38 <rp1> do you happen to use WebOS, this being a webos IRC chatroom.. I would imagine you do
Feb 17 05:03:46 <rp1> but perhaps not
Feb 17 05:03:51 <minego> Yes I do
Feb 17 05:03:56 <minego> I am a huge webOS fan
Feb 17 05:04:00 <minego> and I write apps for webOS
Feb 17 05:04:19 <rp1> I myself am quite interested, however have not gotten my hands on a device to run said OS
Feb 17 05:04:42 <rp1> I want to experiment and learn something about it
Feb 17 05:04:44 <minego> That's a shame
Feb 17 05:04:52 <minego> Jump on ebay and find yourself a TouchPad
Feb 17 05:04:54 <rp1> I am probably going to fix that soon thanks to ebay
Feb 17 05:04:56 <rp1> yes
Feb 17 05:05:01 <rp1> that is exactly my plan
Feb 17 05:05:12 <rp1> I downloaded the dev kit
Feb 17 05:05:17 <rp1> and played with the emulator
Feb 17 05:05:21 <minego> Cool
Feb 17 05:05:42 <rp1> this webos-internals site -
Feb 17 05:05:55 <rp1> it seems on surface to be somewhat outdated or limited in any case
Feb 17 05:06:02 <rp1> to phones
Feb 17 05:06:05 <rp1> pre-3.0.5
Feb 17 05:06:12 <minego> umm no
Feb 17 05:06:13 <rp1> is that a wrong impression?
Feb 17 05:06:22 <minego> The phones run webOS 2.2 or older
Feb 17 05:06:26 <minego> The TouchPad runs 3.x
Feb 17 05:06:29 <rp1> yeah
Feb 17 05:06:48 <rp1> the content looks targeted to earlier devices than the tp
Feb 17 05:06:50 <minego> webos internals has tons of stuff for webOS 3.x
Feb 17 05:06:54 <rp1> oh
Feb 17 05:07:05 <minego> and all the stuff written for 2.x works on 3.x too
Feb 17 05:07:09 <rp1> that is good.. I want to read lots of info
Feb 17 05:07:15 <rp1> and forums and so n
Feb 17 05:07:24 <minego> I'd start with enyo
Feb 17 05:07:26 <minego> enyojs.com
Feb 17 05:07:44 <rp1> thank you
Feb 17 05:07:49 <minego> np
Feb 17 05:09:26 <rp1> what dev tools do you use — eclipse and plugins for webos?
Feb 17 05:09:50 <minego> I use the command line tools, vim and gmake
Feb 17 05:10:24 <rp1> vim - that's lovely
Feb 17 05:10:36 <minego> I like it
Feb 17 05:11:21 <rp1> i used to be a vi person before i lost my soul
Feb 17 05:11:36 <minego> I never had a soul
Feb 17 05:12:02 <rp1> well there you go..  less to loose
Feb 17 05:12:29 <rp1> as you stumble into decrepitude and become bald, beard gets grey and so forth
Feb 17 05:12:37 <minego> I personally believe that you (and everyone else) never had a soul either, but this isn't really the place for religious discussions.
Feb 17 05:13:15 <rp1> I wasn't using the word soul in a relgious context.. moreso in a cultural secular way
Feb 17 05:13:18 <minego> I am bald (by choice, not male pattern baldness) and have a large beard (but it isn't grey)
Feb 17 05:13:25 <minego> Ah fair enough
Feb 17 05:13:25 <rp1> yeah
Feb 17 05:13:49 <rwhitby> rp1: regarding the webos-internals.org wiki, being a wiki the freshness of the information is the domain of the contributors to it, of which you could easily be one if you find something clearly out of date
Feb 17 05:15:09 <rp1> this is a good point
Feb 17 05:15:25 <rwhitby> in general, never trust wikis. only trust code.
Feb 17 05:15:34 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org
Feb 17 05:15:34 <minego> also keep in mind that webos internals provides a LOT more than just the web site
Feb 17 05:16:04 <rp1> yes this is what I heard and get the impression from the relatively sparse information I have been able to gather
Feb 17 05:16:18 <rp1> in other blogs and so on
Feb 17 05:16:51 <rwhitby> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/ is another place to look
Feb 17 05:17:11 <rwhitby> although forums are sometimes even worse than wikis
Feb 17 05:18:27 <rp1> I know what you mean
Feb 17 05:18:39 <rp1> but usually there is an enthusiasm in any case
Feb 17 05:19:25 <rwhitby> of course the hose from which you can drink really starts at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/
Feb 17 05:19:39 <rp1> case in point..  - well - I am of a certain vintage that I grew up with 8 bit computers and then became a fan of a computer called the "Amiga"
Feb 17 05:19:51 <rp1> well it was a lovely amazing computer for its time
Feb 17 05:20:05 <rp1> and still there are forums of people discussing abou tit
Feb 17 05:20:28 <rp1> but it is a kind of sad enthusiasm
Feb 17 05:20:40 <rp1> that is the impression I take from it
Feb 17 05:20:57 <rp1> but this has nothing to do with anything
Feb 17 05:21:35 <rp1> I will take this advice and check these things out.
Feb 17 05:22:00 <minego> rp1: When you get a TouchPad install preware and start experimenting
Feb 17 05:22:55 <rp1> do I have to side-load the preware packages or will they be available in the main app catalog?
Feb 17 05:23:13 <minego> It is not in the app catalog
Feb 17 05:23:47 <minego> rp1: There is a preware documentation app in the app catalog that will tell you how to install it
Feb 17 05:23:58 <rwhitby> rp1: http://www.preware.org/presentation.pdf <- an introduction
Feb 17 05:23:58 <minego> rp1: It is really very simple though
Feb 17 05:24:13 <rp1> I have not seen the app catalog or any of it because ofcourse the emulator is running on a different architecture so I imagine trying to load apps on it that i am not  compiling myself will be useless.
Feb 17 05:24:38 <minego> Yeah the app catalog does is not avaliable in the emulator
Feb 17 05:25:26 <rwhitby> minego: well, there's ways around that ...
Feb 17 05:25:58 <rp1> I wanted to just have a look — but I would need to get a webos account
Feb 17 05:26:04 <minego> rwhitby: Well yes
Feb 17 05:26:10 <rp1> and I imagine there is some flag file in the emulator file system
Feb 17 05:26:31 <rp1> that can tell it that it's the first time running and then I guess I would be prompted to create one or something
Feb 17 05:26:49 <rp1> as if I were starting the tp for the first time
Feb 17 05:26:58 <rwhitby> Impostah's recent chameleonic capabilities would enable app catalog access, for example.
Feb 17 05:27:22 <minego> I assumed you where talking about Impostah
Feb 17 05:28:48 <rp1> <off to ebay to purchase a new toy>
Feb 17 05:28:55 <minego> Good luck!
Feb 17 05:32:18 <rp1> easy to reset it to factory?
Feb 17 05:32:28 <rp1> this one I think has android also loaded on it
Feb 17 05:32:45 <rp1> probably want to just have it on webos
Feb 17 05:34:46 <rp1> ok done
Feb 17 05:34:54 <rp1> 32 gb touchpad on the way to me
Feb 17 05:35:09 <minego> There is a tool avaliable in preware that will let you remove the partition (I can't remember the name off the top of my head) and another that will reset your boot loader
Feb 17 05:35:16 <minego> awesome
Feb 17 05:35:37 <rp1> I'm excited.
Feb 17 05:35:39 <minego> You can use the webos doctor to re-install webOS fresh
Feb 17 05:36:06 <minego> and there is an option in webOS to wipe the data partition
Feb 17 05:38:13 <rp1> thank you minego for your advice and help
Feb 17 05:38:19 <rp1> it was the beard I know
Feb 17 05:38:24 <minego> :)
Feb 17 05:38:25 <rp1> and I thank IT as well
Feb 17 05:38:30 <minego> haha
Feb 17 05:38:34 <minego> It was glad to help
Feb 17 05:38:51 <rp1> I will hopefully see you again here when I have more stupid questions to pose
Feb 17 05:38:53 <minego> now I feel like listening to the beards (they are my favorite australian band)
Feb 17 05:39:07 <rp1> the beards.. I never heard of them
Feb 17 05:39:10 <minego> I'll probably be here. If not I'm sure there will be other helpful people here.
Feb 17 05:39:25 <minego> They are awesome. Every song they do is about beards.
Feb 17 05:39:40 <minego> stuff like "If your dad doesn't have a beard, you've got to moms"
Feb 17 05:40:03 <rp1> did you ever hear of this guy - he has a you tube channel even
Feb 17 05:40:17 <rp1> wheezy waiter
Feb 17 05:40:23 <minego> nope
Feb 17 05:40:28 <rp1> ok you will be entertained perhaps
Feb 17 05:40:34 <rp1> if not annoyed
Feb 17 05:40:40 <minego> lol
Feb 17 05:40:45 <minego> I'll have to check it out later
Feb 17 05:40:49 <minego> I'm gonna head to bed now I think
Feb 17 05:40:59 <rp1> yes me too
Feb 17 05:41:05 <rp1> goodnite to you
Feb 17 05:41:14 <minego> goodnight
Feb 17 06:33:14 <cwayne> hey!
Feb 17 09:21:27 <swisstomcat> morning
Feb 17 12:38:21 <EricBlade> hmm. my touchpad nearly got me in trouble with my gf last night.  she picked it up, and i had an alert showing on there for an email from a client that i'm working with about a dinner outing.  She knows the client by his short-hand name, which is short for a very female sounding name. :|
Feb 17 12:39:23 <EricBlade> her: "Who's the girl you're going out for dinner with next week?" me: "uh.. what?"  her: "Look at your TouchPad" ... me: *laugh ridiculously*
Feb 17 12:40:20 <EricBlade> it was rather comical when i reminded her what the client's name is short for.
Feb 17 13:50:22 <maps> hey am having a doubt in an enyo app...
Feb 17 13:50:36 <swisstomcat> hi maps
Feb 17 13:50:42 <maps> hey..
Feb 17 13:50:55 <maps> in my first page i have a button
Feb 17 13:51:20 <swisstomcat> ok
Feb 17 13:51:22 <maps> now i want that upon pressing that button..a new scene should pop up
Feb 17 13:51:36 <maps> in which i have three buttons
Feb 17 13:51:38 <swisstomcat> enyo or mojo?
Feb 17 13:51:44 <maps> enyo
Feb 17 13:51:59 <swisstomcat> you don't really have scenes there?
Feb 17 13:52:09 <maps> i have it..
Feb 17 13:52:22 <maps> like name:...kind...,...,
Feb 17 13:52:22 <swisstomcat> paste some code?
Feb 17 13:52:39 <maps> sure..
Feb 17 13:52:43 <maps> just 2 sec
Feb 17 13:55:03 <EricBlade> maps, Enyo doesn't have a "scene" concept, which is why you haven't been able to locate any information on something like that, and also why several other people have suggested alternative things
Feb 17 13:55:32 <maps> swisstomcat:  http://pastie.org/3401454
Feb 17 13:56:04 <EricBlade> you could open a new card, you could open a popup, you could change the view in a pane ..
Feb 17 13:56:35 <maps> eric: actually i have an app in which i have put 3 tabs like on menu bar...and on pressing a different scene shd pop up..
Feb 17 13:56:36 <swisstomcat> i see, you're using a popup
Feb 17 13:56:48 <maps> yes
Feb 17 13:57:05 <swisstomcat> so what doesn't work at the moment?
Feb 17 13:57:16 <maps> but i want it to appear like a whole new page...not in small dialog box
Feb 17 13:57:24 <swisstomcat> ah
Feb 17 13:57:41 <swisstomcat> like EricBlade said, you would probably use a pane with several views
Feb 17 13:58:11 <swisstomcat> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial5.html
Feb 17 13:58:16 <swisstomcat> here is a good example
Feb 17 13:58:55 <swisstomcat> scroll down to the middle
Feb 17 13:59:10 <swisstomcat> where they talk about panes and views
Feb 17 13:59:24 <maps> kk
Feb 17 14:00:13 <swisstomcat> panes can be viewed as stages, and views as scenes (more or less)
Feb 17 14:00:54 <maps> swisstomcat: if i were to call the dialog box from my deltable function how would i do it?
Feb 17 14:01:44 <swisstomcat> well, you would create a pane kind first
Feb 17 14:01:55 <swisstomcat> and then a few views in it
Feb 17 14:02:38 <swisstomcat> you can then switch between them with        this.$.pane.selectViewByName
Feb 17 14:02:41 <swisstomcat> look at the tutorial
Feb 17 14:02:45 <maps> no just like if it's suppose to be this small dialog box only..
Feb 17 14:03:12 <maps> what should i write in my func. so that it  gets popup?
Feb 17 14:04:35 <maps> okay..)
Feb 17 14:04:41 <swisstomcat> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/dialogs.html
Feb 17 14:04:58 <swisstomcat>  this.$.modalDialog.open();
Feb 17 14:05:49 <maps> ya thanx swissotomcat:)
Feb 17 15:14:13 <EricBlade> yay my gf's touchpad came back from home base .. well, probably a refurbed one
Feb 17 15:15:03 <EricBlade> the sim drawer on the new one has a bit of a sharp edge though. i wonder if we should complain
Feb 17 15:15:14 <EricBlade> or just put it in it's case and not care
Feb 17 15:51:42 <swisstomcat> put it in the case
Feb 17 15:51:44 <swisstomcat> i'd say
Feb 17 17:13:33 <dwc-> HP Home & Office has HP Touchstone Charging Dock on sale for $29.99 - $10 off coupon code SVR4476 = $19.99. Shipping is free on orders of $50 or more or $5.25 shipping to home.
Feb 17 17:25:17 <RagingMind> dwc-, why are you tempting me to spend money?
Feb 17 17:25:58 <dwc-> to um, stimulate the economy?
Feb 17 17:26:04 <EricBlade> i bought 4 touchestones :-O
Feb 17 17:27:04 <EricBlade> ooh, dev pay showed up today
Feb 17 17:27:30 <Necrosan> send me one EricBlade
Feb 17 17:27:35 <Necrosan> i have 2 touchpads, no stones
Feb 17 17:28:11 <EricBlade> Necrosan: they're only $30, and dwc just supplied a $10 coupon too
Feb 17 17:28:27 <Necrosan> i just want one for free
Feb 17 17:28:51 * dwc- has 1 tp and one $50 touchstone for it
Feb 17 17:29:08 <EricBlade> yeah my first 2 touchstones were 50
Feb 17 17:29:28 <EricBlade> i'm going to keep 2 and give 2 to other touchpad users
Feb 17 17:29:36 <EricBlade> and yes i know who those people are already :)
Feb 17 19:31:47 <EricBlade> hmm. my downloads count went up by 1
Feb 17 19:32:33 <EricBlade> maybe this is a sign of an impending huge change to a developer portal that works better.
Feb 17 19:33:07 <EricBlade> how did i ever get to be this optimistic? my friends all think i'm a total pessimist
Feb 17 19:36:06 <fxspec06> i'm an optimistic
Feb 17 19:36:11 <fxspec06> optimistically pessimist
Feb 17 19:36:20 <fxspec06> or, pessimistically optimistic
Feb 17 19:37:03 <minego> pfft
Feb 17 19:37:36 <EricBlade> i also keep hoping that rim will review my apps someday, but that's just ending in sad disappointment :|
Feb 17 19:38:15 <minego> I'm sure they will eventually
Feb 17 19:38:32 <minego> I hope they review mine first though
Feb 17 19:41:38 <EricBlade> i think you submitted before me, so i hope so too
Feb 17 19:42:55 <fxspec06> i'm pretty sure they will review mine before both of yours
Feb 17 19:43:55 <minego> pfft
Feb 17 21:21:26 <summatusmentis> having done very little webOS development, it seems much eaiser than android development
Feb 17 21:46:44 <EricBlade> dealing with android's configuration files is more complex than the entire authoring process for webos
Feb 17 21:47:42 <summatusmentis> and it's not clear to me that their concept of Activities and Intents, etc. etc. makes sense
Feb 17 21:47:48 <summatusmentis> but I guess it's all OOP
Feb 17 21:59:54 <EricBlade> it's a bit distressing to me that there's been absolutely no comments from anyone on the dev forum today
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