**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 24 02:59:58 2012 Feb 24 03:00:18 EricBlade look up rom manager premium on android market Feb 24 03:00:21 30k+ downloads Feb 24 03:00:29 and titanium backup Feb 24 03:01:01 yeah, well, the best selling apps on all the other platforms are apps that aren't even necessary or desired on webos Feb 24 03:01:11 nope Feb 24 03:01:19 so design your app for that the users on the OS want Feb 24 03:01:26 nobdoy needs a gvoice app on android Feb 24 03:02:27 people want apps tuat are either games, or taylor to their rooting experience. Feb 24 03:02:33 tuat/that* Feb 24 03:03:04 well i didn't set out to make a best seller, i set out to make an app i wanted to use Feb 24 03:03:37 that's a good philosophy Feb 24 03:04:03 you know what I want to see? Feb 24 03:04:11 a Facebook client that doesnt crash. Feb 24 03:04:28 holy crap katana is terrible Feb 24 03:05:02 good news/weather app Feb 24 03:05:07 that is a widget Feb 24 03:06:36 when i set out to make the Subsonic app, I figured I could make back the cost of donating to the author of the server to get a full license on it, and not much else, but i've made that back multiplied a couple times. definitely haven't made what i put into it back, not sure that i ever will until it gets approved at RIM and running on Android and iOS Feb 24 03:06:40 my wife: is there something wrong with the server? me: I just accessed it fine...why? my wife: it's taking forever to download! me: what is? my wife: the server? me: what are you trying to download from the server? my wife: i'm not! I'm trying to download the internet. Me: *facepalm* Feb 24 03:07:03 the whole internet :O Feb 24 03:07:12 I think it's going to take a while Feb 24 03:07:47 i hope she's blonde. Feb 24 03:08:01 i thought a coworker of mine was going to clog the whole internet .. last weekend he had to upload a 2TB hard drive. Feb 24 03:08:17 meh Feb 24 03:08:20 on a fast connection Feb 24 03:08:22 2tb is nothing Feb 24 03:08:32 uploading from a consumer grade cable Feb 24 03:08:37 yeah Feb 24 03:08:43 that will take a while Feb 24 03:08:51 i just got upgraded to 30mbps down 6mbps up\ Feb 24 03:08:55 it took him from fri afternoon to monday afternoon i think Feb 24 03:09:27 she's not blonde Feb 24 03:09:30 she's chinese Feb 24 03:09:46 even worse Feb 24 03:09:48 ims orry dude Feb 24 03:09:54 EricBlade: sounds average Feb 24 03:13:06 i kind of can't wait to see what sort of sales i'll get on RIM's catalog, though. That might be helped by the notion that they probably have more developers with tablets than common users, and developers tend to like to buy softwares Feb 24 03:14:58 A potential pitfall there, is that they have some 2000 apps to approve as of last weekend, I heard Feb 24 03:15:07 so we'll probably all get dumped in in one day Feb 24 03:15:36 EricBlade: why so many apps at once? Feb 24 03:16:19 destinal: submit an app, get a free tablet Feb 24 03:16:35 EricBlade: is that still on? I heard about that a long time ago Feb 24 03:16:46 yeah they extended it till end of month Feb 24 03:19:54 practically every webOS dev i've ever heard of that is still active jumped on that ship Feb 24 03:20:04 because.. why the hell not? Feb 24 03:20:38 a couple of quick patches to Enyo, figure out how to write your app config file, and bam, you're on a new platform Feb 24 03:46:06 EricBlade: ah I guess you had to sign up by the 15hh Feb 24 03:46:07 th Feb 24 03:46:24 can submit by march 2nd but had to sign up by feb 15 Feb 24 08:41:24 a question, is it possible to drag a list item outside of the list someway? Feb 24 08:44:03 note: i'm designing for enyo 2.x right now, so i don't need to know /how/ i'd be able to do it Feb 24 10:24:49 Hi, andy idea how to enter an "@" on webos 2.1 emulator? Feb 24 11:00:52 bah, screw Splashtop Feb 24 11:01:26 their newest update to the Streamer software broke the ability to use XDisplay as a third or fourth monitor on my system, and their support tells me I'm mistaken, because it never operated in that fashion Feb 24 12:05:17 how to recording on webOS2.x? Feb 24 13:15:59 So I have a defective Palm Pre 2. 98% funtional. Feb 24 13:16:33 The only problem is that the microphone is broken. So it is useless as a phone. Feb 24 13:16:56 Figured it would be fun to play with those. Feb 24 13:17:17 I'd like first to figure out how to log into the phone with SSH. Feb 24 13:33:54 I've loaded the SDK. I can get novacom to work. I was at one point able to get a login prompt, by connecting via putty, but no now can't even get that. Feb 24 14:18:37 so, still getting my head into the webOS dev world (before I jump in and code :) ) Feb 24 14:18:43 what's the status/future of db8? Feb 24 16:34:32 ah come on, i'm reading the backlog but people don't stick around to be helped :( Feb 24 16:34:59 bigbluehat1: i don't think it will stay around. i thought it was going to be changed in enyo 2.x, but i'm not certain. Feb 24 16:35:35 bigbluehat1: though you'll most likely always be able to use html5 sql databases (not that i'm just a huge fan of sql databases) Feb 24 16:37:08 html5 doesn't have an SQL database anymore Feb 24 16:37:11 so hopefully that's not the case Feb 24 16:37:29 db8's CouchDB "likeness" (and ideally sync compatibility) are what make it interesting to me Feb 24 16:37:36 did it already get removed? Feb 24 16:38:12 yes, but the sync isn't (wasn't) immediate with respect to hp/palm. it was synced daily or so. i found that to be quite a turnoff Feb 24 16:39:03 yeah, it's been gone for some time now, iirc Feb 24 16:39:19 ah, well sync should be something you can just trigger Feb 24 16:39:23 * madnificent should check the latest spec, you're probably right. Feb 24 16:39:33 it *should* be, but it wasn't Feb 24 16:39:40 regardless, if it's CouchDB compatible, that's the right move Feb 24 16:39:43 others will know better! Feb 24 16:39:48 no worries :) Feb 24 16:40:03 it's hard to narrow down what's actually going on with webOS.... Feb 24 16:40:11 I guess that'll gradually change as HP finishes "opening" Feb 24 16:40:34 also, whatever you get, it'll be good in some cases and bad in others. trust me on that :) Feb 24 16:40:36 webosnation mentioned something about "moving to LevelDB which should help CouchDB compatibility" Feb 24 16:40:39 which got me wondering Feb 24 16:40:51 heh, when is that not the case? Feb 24 16:40:57 ah, that could be it! Feb 24 16:41:40 well LevelDB is not itself connected with CouchDB Feb 24 16:41:43 it's just a key/value store Feb 24 16:41:54 in case of some sort algorithms compared to others, regardless of the type of sorting which needs to occur. or many optimization algorithms, depending on the way they're used. in those cases some solutions are always going to be worse than others. with databases that's not the case :) Feb 24 16:41:59 that might make it easier to write code to make it be like CouchDB Feb 24 16:42:06 but that change doesn't itself suddently make it compatible Feb 24 16:42:33 well…I'm heading out for a bit Feb 24 16:42:43 we can chat this up later Feb 24 16:42:50 enjoy! Feb 24 16:42:52 hopefully the people "in the know" will drop in too ;) Feb 24 16:43:02 yeah, it's sometimes awefully quiet in here Feb 24 16:43:09 * bigbluehat1 noticed Feb 24 19:29:10 woo i made the touchpad daily Feb 24 19:29:18 this is the 5th time i think Feb 24 19:31:44 fxspec06: pm? Feb 24 20:13:08 is there anyway to get to the app catalog online? Feb 24 20:13:23 I see lots of links around to individual apps Feb 24 20:13:41 but if you click Apps in the header of those pages it takes you to the HP Touchpad photo with links to support Feb 24 20:46:25 no way to browse it directly no Feb 24 20:46:51 you can view individual apps if you have their app ids though Feb 24 21:15:56 EricBlade: has that always been the case? Feb 24 21:16:21 or is this a new-post "fire sale" thing? Feb 24 21:16:34 that's always been the case i think. Feb 24 21:16:46 i guess before the TouchPad came out there was at least a publicly visible rss feed for it Feb 24 21:17:34 ah...interesting Feb 24 21:17:41 any plans to change that? Feb 24 21:17:53 a web-facing catalog would be pretty fab Feb 24 21:18:00 especially if I could "install" stuff to my touchpad Feb 24 21:21:51 our catalog is pretty technologically behind the times, who knows what to expect though Feb 24 21:38:03 EricBlade: if you open source it, I'll fork it on github and fix it fo yah ;) Feb 24 21:38:45 i don't work for HP sorry Feb 24 21:39:05 heh…me neither Feb 24 21:39:07 ah well Feb 24 21:39:26 I'm just glad the Pivot magazine thing is still getting updates Feb 24 21:40:24 pivot was scrapped after November Feb 24 21:44:16 oh…than what's showing up in "Featured"? Feb 24 21:44:22 it was updated in February of this year Feb 24 21:44:26 sad to hear it got scrapped Feb 24 21:44:36 it was sort of like the SkyMiles catalog on your tablet :) Feb 24 21:45:01 yeah that's a new smaller "Featured Apps" thing that apparently HP writes Feb 24 21:45:28 but yeah, it's nice that it's not just sitting on the November issue of Pivot, as it is for people outside of the US :| Feb 24 21:46:36 yeah…sad that Featured isn't Featured outside the US Feb 24 21:46:58 I'm guessing the HP App Catalog doesn't have it's own API...yet? Feb 24 21:48:07 nope Feb 24 21:50:10 someday Feb 24 21:50:23 so what do you do EricBlade? Feb 24 21:50:32 i write software Feb 24 21:50:37 heh, me to! ;) Feb 24 21:50:42 for webOS? Feb 24 21:51:38 * bigbluehat1 wants to Feb 24 22:02:36 Is there a way to set / check status in Messages through a luna-send call? (webOS 2.1, HP Veer, using imlibpurple patch) Feb 24 22:02:59 In this case, for Jabber accounts Feb 24 22:08:07 i do for webOS, recently added PlayBook, Android, and my primary job right now is writing iOS games in Unreal Feb 24 22:09:05 EricBlade: very cool. Feb 24 22:09:07 any links? :) Feb 24 22:09:08 btby: you might have to dig through the Messaging app to see how it determines that. I'm pretty sure there is a database, at least in 3.0 that holds online status, if that's what you're looking for Feb 24 22:09:17 bigbluehat1: links for what Feb 24 22:10:24 i should probably be very frightened by what's going to happen since i just wrote a major subsystem for a game, and the whole thing compiled on first try. Feb 24 22:10:59 lol Feb 24 22:11:07 EricBlade: Yup, this will help. Sometimes when switching from cellular to data, Messages loses the connection and doesn't reconnect anymore (showing Offline status). Restarting the imlibpurple service solves that, so I'll probable have a script that queries the status periodically. Feb 24 22:13:22 EricBlade: links to your work :) Feb 24 22:25:56 strangest thing happened this morning Feb 24 22:26:06 I had an update available for my ATT Pre3 Feb 24 22:30:21 EricBlade: found you http://ericbla.de/ Feb 24 22:30:22 :) Feb 24 22:30:26 l8r Feb 24 22:33:35 that didn't take long Feb 24 22:49:33 LarrySteeze: my gf's touchpad autoinstalled an update this morning, it was weird Feb 24 22:49:41 it still says 3.0.5 though Feb 24 22:49:55 yeah. Mine still says 2.2.4 Feb 24 22:52:01 wow, after correcting a few things that i didn't understand in the code i was interfacing with, that whole thing that compiled right off the bat worked too Feb 24 22:52:17 maybe one of these days i'll be good at this programming stuff Feb 24 23:29:50 i upgraded my desk from a 4 foot piece of crap to a nearly 6 foot IKEA piece of crap last night. i'm very happy Feb 24 23:30:33 have a few height issues i need to work out, but now i'm able to work with my two monitors, and have all my mobile things available without having them piled on top of each other, and still have enough space for a desk phone, and some accessories Feb 24 23:32:02 and it is super nice when i'm not working on webOS stuff to be able to have my touchpad being useful right next to me **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 25 02:59:58 2012