**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 02 02:59:58 2012
Mar 02 04:48:54 <sugardave> dammit I missed the troll
Mar 02 04:50:41 <nieve|away> I'm sure he'll come back?
Mar 02 04:51:00 <nieve> sorry I bogarted all the fun?
Mar 02 04:55:08 <wrea> lol
Mar 02 04:55:16 <sugardave> I had some nicotine piss-off to spend, oh well
Mar 02 04:58:00 <nieve> aww!
Mar 02 04:58:40 <EricBlade> sugardave, surviving the no smoking?
Mar 02 06:13:34 <sugardave> EricBlade: so far pretty good
Mar 02 06:42:31 <EricBlade> good. how long now?
Mar 02 07:27:46 <DaMummy|TP> hello
Mar 02 07:28:30 <DaMummy|TP> ha! It works
Mar 02 07:33:53 <DaMummy|TP> ~{}|?_+=-/\\/][`SDD'"µ
Mar 02 07:34:03 <DaMummy|TP> sorry
Mar 02 07:51:02 <EricBlade> what works
Mar 02 09:14:58 <DaMummy|TP> my new tiny Bluetooth keyboard
Mar 02 09:16:07 <DaMummy|TP> while I'm here, is there a way to connect my cannon WiFi printer to touchpad?
Mar 02 09:17:04 <DaMummy|TP> HP live chat tell me only latest HP printers can print off touchpad. is there a way around that?
Mar 02 09:24:35 <EricBlade> there's a thread on webosnation about a program you can install on a PC that has a printer attached to it that will emulate the printer type that the TouchPad is looking for
Mar 02 09:26:59 <DaMummy|TP> so it would send from touchpad, to pc, to printer?
Mar 02 09:28:11 <EricBlade> yes
Mar 02 09:28:28 <EricBlade> it's something like "how to print to any printer" or something
Mar 02 14:06:55 <bigbluehat> is anyone from HP engaging the Mozilla B2G gang looking for collaboration opportunities?
Mar 02 14:07:03 <bigbluehat> so much overlap these days…Tizen, Mer, B2G...
Mar 02 14:07:08 <bigbluehat> it'd be great if everyone pulled together
Mar 02 14:08:41 <swisstomcat> hey
Mar 02 14:08:45 <swisstomcat> not sure, but i agree
Mar 02 14:08:59 <swisstomcat> collaboration would be great
Mar 02 14:09:03 <swisstomcat> are you working on B2G?
Mar 02 14:12:07 <bigbluehat> trolling in all these camps :)
Mar 02 14:12:13 <bigbluehat> wanting to see them converge...maybe
Mar 02 14:12:16 <bigbluehat> I heart the Web
Mar 02 14:12:26 <bigbluehat> and thus all of these are "on track" for me
Mar 02 14:12:30 <bigbluehat> I have a Touchpad
Mar 02 14:12:33 <bigbluehat> so it's the top of the list :)
Mar 02 14:12:47 <bigbluehat> I bought it 2 weeks ago due to webOS being open sourced
Mar 02 14:13:24 <bigbluehat> now, I'd like to truly write these "new" Web Apps that "run anywhere"
Mar 02 14:13:40 <bigbluehat> but watching all these "smaller" players run off in different directions makes me sad
Mar 02 14:14:15 <bigbluehat> once all the source is out in the wild, that may help
Mar 02 14:14:24 <bigbluehat> but until everyone talks…source won't matter too much
Mar 02 14:14:51 <bigbluehat> and the only thing happening on twitter is B2G (and even WPforWebOS) gaming for the recently laid off webOS hackers
Mar 02 14:15:03 <bigbluehat> which I understand….just wondering why HP is up to :/
Mar 02 14:15:06 <bigbluehat> anyway...
Mar 02 14:15:15 <swisstomcat> i heart the web too
Mar 02 14:15:19 <bigbluehat> :)
Mar 02 14:15:20 <swisstomcat> so i agree with your points
Mar 02 14:15:48 <swisstomcat> good thing is .. if you work with enyo, you'll be able to reuse those apps on different platforms, including B2G
Mar 02 14:16:05 <swisstomcat> (well, you can of course use other frameworks as well :)
Mar 02 14:16:36 <bigbluehat> yeah, but atm they're all en route to have slightly different JS APIs for things like vibration, etc
Mar 02 14:16:44 <bigbluehat> Mozilla's trying to standardize things
Mar 02 14:16:52 <bigbluehat> which I wish HP had done…I guess
Mar 02 14:16:57 <bigbluehat> and maybe that's the way forward
Mar 02 14:16:58 <bigbluehat> who knows
Mar 02 14:17:41 <swisstomcat> well, palm started with the APIs back in 2009
Mar 02 14:17:55 <swisstomcat> but they're easy to shim (see phonegap)
Mar 02 14:18:06 <swisstomcat> but yeah, there should be collaboration
Mar 02 14:18:11 <swisstomcat> since the vision is very similar
Mar 02 14:18:19 <bigbluehat> yeah…saw some "gotchas" in the Phonegap/Cordiva readme
Mar 02 14:18:36 <bigbluehat> any guesses how it could start?
Mar 02 14:18:41 <bigbluehat> the collaboration that is?
Mar 02 14:18:51 <swisstomcat> good question .. i'm working on that too :)
Mar 02 14:19:02 <bigbluehat> excellent! :)
Mar 02 14:19:06 <bigbluehat> do you work for HP?
Mar 02 14:19:07 <swisstomcat> trying to get the right people to talk to each other
Mar 02 14:19:10 <swisstomcat> yes
Mar 02 14:19:12 <bigbluehat> are you on the Tweeetrz?
Mar 02 14:19:14 <swisstomcat> Developer Relations
Mar 02 14:19:20 <bigbluehat> hi :)
Mar 02 14:19:21 <swisstomcat> the what?
Mar 02 14:19:29 <bigbluehat> Twitter
Mar 02 14:19:30 <bigbluehat> sorry :)
Mar 02 14:19:36 <swisstomcat> tweeter? what's that? ;)
Mar 02 14:19:41 <bigbluehat> heh
Mar 02 14:19:48 <swisstomcat> @twtomcat
Mar 02 14:19:48 <bigbluehat> I troll there too ;)
Mar 02 14:20:15 <bigbluehat> I did the deep and meaningful thing…and clicked "follow" :)
Mar 02 14:20:24 <bigbluehat> at any rate, please let me know how I can help
Mar 02 14:20:27 <swisstomcat> cheers :)
Mar 02 14:20:47 <bigbluehat> as mentioned, I've only had the TouchPad for 2 weeks, but my objective has been the same for some time
Mar 02 14:20:48 <swisstomcat> i spoke to several mozilla/b2g people
Mar 02 14:20:58 <bigbluehat> yeah?
Mar 02 14:21:01 <swisstomcat> but the linkup hasn't really happened yet
Mar 02 14:21:37 <swisstomcat> i'll keep trying
Mar 02 14:21:43 <bigbluehat> well, let me know how I can help
Mar 02 14:21:54 <swisstomcat> do you have contacts to B2G folks?
Mar 02 14:21:56 <bigbluehat> I'll also continue to drop webOS mentions in their channel, twitter, etc
Mar 02 14:22:04 <bigbluehat> I know a few of the Open Web Apps guys
Mar 02 14:22:09 <bigbluehat> and there's significant overlap there
Mar 02 14:22:34 <bigbluehat> maybe a good first step would be something like "integrating" Mozilla's new Open Web Apps Marketplace into webOS
Mar 02 14:22:37 <bigbluehat> via an app or something
Mar 02 14:22:57 <bigbluehat> basically just a quick way to "install" a Mojo browser running each web app
Mar 02 14:23:02 <bigbluehat> and tossed in the launcher somewhere
Mar 02 14:23:10 <bigbluehat> olive branch :)
Mar 02 14:23:41 <swisstomcat> yeah, that'd be cool
Mar 02 14:23:57 <swisstomcat> adding webapps to the launcher would be great
Mar 02 14:24:02 <swisstomcat> and they then launch chromeless
Mar 02 14:26:36 <bigbluehat> yeah, how hard would that be to hack up?
Mar 02 14:26:42 <bigbluehat> they are just web apps, after all :)
Mar 02 14:29:09 <bigbluehat> apps.mozillalabs.org
Mar 02 14:29:30 <bigbluehat> bah…still says "coming soon" :/
Mar 02 14:31:23 <swisstomcat> pretty easy to hack up an app like that
Mar 02 14:31:27 <swisstomcat> basically a webview
Mar 02 14:31:40 <bigbluehat> yeah, I'd think so. Is there IndexedDB and app-cache in Isis/Mojo?
Mar 02 14:32:08 <swisstomcat> not IndexedDB the last time i checked
Mar 02 14:32:16 <swisstomcat> but app-cache
Mar 02 14:32:36 <bigbluehat> localStorage?
Mar 02 14:32:39 <swisstomcat> yep
Mar 02 14:32:43 <swisstomcat> websql
Mar 02 14:32:54 <bigbluehat> eh…websql is dead :(
Mar 02 14:33:06 <bigbluehat> guess it's now a webOS "only" thing now
Mar 02 14:33:14 <bigbluehat> DOM Storage?
Mar 02 14:33:18 <swisstomcat> most browsers still have it
Mar 02 14:33:23 <bigbluehat> really?
Mar 02 14:33:26 <bigbluehat> heh…didn't realize
Mar 02 14:33:27 <swisstomcat> i think so?
Mar 02 14:34:34 <swisstomcat> another option would be to make a homebrew app
Mar 02 14:34:40 <bigbluehat> ah, true
Mar 02 14:34:42 <swisstomcat> that would probably give you more options
Mar 02 14:34:55 <swisstomcat> or integrate the mozilla-app catalog into preware
Mar 02 14:35:02 <swisstomcat> the "standard" homebrew installer
Mar 02 14:36:04 <bigbluehat> right
Mar 02 14:36:39 <bigbluehat> this big black/yellow nasty sign is what I was thinking of when you said "websql": http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/
Mar 02 14:37:36 <bigbluehat> handy migration tut as well: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webdatabase/websql-indexeddb/
Mar 02 15:45:12 <bigbluehat> swisstomcat: what are the chances Pandora will open source their Pre app?
Mar 02 15:45:47 <swisstomcat> ask them?
Mar 02 16:04:50 <bigbluehat> swisstomcat: good idea ;)
Mar 02 16:06:09 <bigbluehat> swisstomcat: here's one you can answer...
Mar 02 16:06:20 <bigbluehat> do you all run the currently empty @HPwebOS account on Twitter?
Mar 02 16:06:29 <bigbluehat> I realize the @webOS one is someone else
Mar 02 16:16:42 <bigbluehat> just came across this in the #mer channel: http://projectgrande.wikispaces.com/
Mar 02 16:16:48 <bigbluehat> lots of interesting overlap with webOS
Mar 02 16:31:19 <swisstomcat> let me check
Mar 02 16:43:00 <swisstomcat> bigbluehat: projectgrand looks very interesting!
Mar 02 17:01:43 <sugardave> EricBlade1: we had our last cigarette Sunday night, so day 5 today
Mar 02 17:04:27 <EricBlade1> sugardave: you have a mouse in your pocket?
Mar 02 18:18:42 <sugardave> EricBlade1: no....poor guy would get all smushed
Mar 02 18:19:04 <sugardave> we = me and my wife :)
Mar 02 18:28:05 <EricBlade1> cute, my pre2 starts booting, and the alarm starts going off while the HP logo is up, and i can't shut it off for over a minute :|
Mar 02 18:28:27 <halfhalo> thats the "make sure you are up" function
Mar 02 21:02:39 <bigbluehat> is there a way to remove "Search Using" "engines"?
Mar 02 21:03:13 <bigbluehat> there doesn't seem to be a way to get rid of the notification about a new search engine without adding it…or ignoring it for a "long time" (I've not tested that, but I hope it eventually would go away…)
Mar 02 21:03:23 <bigbluehat> so I clicked it, it added it, and now it's just there :/
Mar 02 21:03:32 <bigbluehat> not enabled of course
Mar 02 21:10:46 <fxspec06> you just tap it
Mar 02 21:10:48 <fxspec06> and swipe it away
Mar 02 21:10:52 <fxspec06> like any other notification
Mar 02 21:16:19 <bigbluehat> fxspec06: thanks…what if it's already added
Mar 02 21:19:50 <fxspec06> start typing, and then swipe from top left and go to just type preferences. from there you can organize those
Mar 02 21:30:42 <bigbluehat> fxspec06: I can turn them off and on, but can't remove them seemingly
Mar 02 21:31:53 <fxspec06> oh i see what you mean. that would require a patch, probably
Mar 02 21:32:10 <bigbluehat> k. I'll see if I can learn that :)
Mar 02 21:32:11 <fxspec06> it's a feature i must admit i never use
Mar 02 21:32:27 <bigbluehat> I don't "just type" often
Mar 02 21:32:29 <bigbluehat> but I like the idea
Mar 02 21:32:42 <bigbluehat> and the fact that HP used OpenSearch stuff to add them
Mar 02 21:32:47 <bigbluehat> even when they're not web sites
Mar 02 21:32:49 <bigbluehat> good move
Mar 02 21:32:59 <fxspec06> if you can find the code that pops down the search notification and throw a return statement in there that'll do
Mar 02 21:33:15 <fxspec06> or
Mar 02 21:33:23 <fxspec06> you can look at the browser code
Mar 02 21:33:26 <bigbluehat> I actually want to add a swipe to delete similar to e-mail
Mar 02 21:33:33 <bigbluehat> I want to add them :)
Mar 02 21:33:39 <bigbluehat> but I also want to remove them—not just disable
Mar 02 21:33:49 <bigbluehat> otherwise this list will get pointlessly long
Mar 02 21:33:56 <fxspec06> oh. you can swipe to remove them in just type prefs
Mar 02 21:33:56 <bigbluehat> most of mine are unchecked
Mar 02 21:34:01 <bigbluehat> and I have two IMDB ones :-P
Mar 02 21:34:10 <bigbluehat> one that came with the touchpad
Mar 02 21:34:18 <bigbluehat> and one from the site (as I didn't realize I had the mobile one in already)
Mar 02 21:34:29 <bigbluehat> hmm…I can't seem to get it to work :-P
Mar 02 21:34:35 <fxspec06> you're on the TP h.o
Mar 02 21:34:51 <bigbluehat> yep
Mar 02 21:35:12 <fxspec06> oh god yeah i see
Mar 02 21:35:18 <bigbluehat> yeah :(
Mar 02 21:35:21 <bigbluehat> just weird you can't
Mar 02 21:35:29 <fxspec06> hmm they must be stored in a DB somewhere. and that DB must auto-populate
Mar 02 21:35:36 <fxspec06> again, probably a featuer
Mar 02 21:35:39 <fxspec06> feature*
Mar 02 21:36:40 <fxspec06> some are from the apps on your device, those i doubt you'd be able to remove. just uncheck the ones you don't want.
Mar 02 21:37:19 <fxspec06> i see. it keeps the searchable ones because you don't want it to pop up every time. if it iddn't it'd ask every time you visited that website
Mar 02 21:42:44 <bigbluehat> fxspec06: good point…
Mar 02 21:43:06 <bigbluehat> I don't mind knowing it's available when I'm in the browser
Mar 02 21:43:14 <bigbluehat> like it pops up once when I visit the site
Mar 02 21:43:22 <bigbluehat> if browser isn't active, then the notification "goes away"
Mar 02 21:43:28 <bigbluehat> or if I browse away, it goes away...maybe
Mar 02 21:44:07 <bigbluehat> or! in the browser history it notes which ones have yet-to-be-installed search engines
Mar 02 21:44:09 <bigbluehat> maybe...
Mar 02 21:44:18 <bigbluehat> but I should still be able to remove these :(
Mar 02 21:44:39 <bigbluehat> it's basically like an "unclearable" cache of sites I've visited (…and accidently tapped the add search notification for...)
Mar 02 21:47:03 <fxspec06> hmm
Mar 02 21:47:04 <fxspec06> i see
Mar 02 21:47:52 <fxspec06> i wonder if you can modify the just type code to allow swipe
Mar 02 21:48:21 <fxspec06> then onconfirm delete the database entry.
Mar 02 21:48:47 <fxspec06> or wherever it's populating the list from
Mar 02 21:49:01 <fxspec06> sounds complicated :P
Mar 02 21:53:06 <Tibfib_> NomNomNom 2.0. it comes
Mar 02 21:54:25 <fxspec06> Tibfib_: lies
Mar 02 21:54:46 <Tibfib_> maybe, maybe not
Mar 02 22:08:16 <dwc-> bigbluehat: iirc, I think clearing your history empties the website list
Mar 02 22:10:36 <bigbluehat> from Just Type?
Mar 02 22:13:30 <dwc-> no, the browser history
Mar 02 22:13:59 <dwc-> http://www.webosnation.com/remove-unwanted-web-searches-just-type
Mar 02 22:15:36 <bigbluehat> yeah…the "unfortunately" is where I'm at right now :(
Mar 02 22:15:40 <bigbluehat> just not worth that cost
Mar 02 22:15:42 <bigbluehat> …yet :)
Mar 02 22:15:46 <bigbluehat> good to know it's possible
Mar 02 22:16:03 <bigbluehat> I'd rather remove them individually or even "dump unenabled Just Type engines"
Mar 02 22:16:05 <bigbluehat> or some such
Mar 02 22:16:20 <bigbluehat> likely something for Tweaks or some other homebrew thing
Mar 02 22:16:41 <bigbluehat> or a feature req on the webOS ticket system…if such thing does (tho I assume will) exist
Mar 02 22:19:47 <bigbluehat> dwc-: thanks for the link in anycase :)
Mar 02 22:20:14 <bigbluehat> well kids…it's been fun
Mar 02 22:20:25 <bigbluehat> gonna cal lit a day…(for now at least :) )
Mar 02 22:20:27 <bigbluehat> l8rs
Mar 02 22:32:46 <dwc-> looks like it could be separate
Mar 02 22:33:30 <dwc-> s._univSearchReq = new Mojo.Service.Request('palm://com.palm.universalsearch', { method: 'clearOptionalSearchList',                                          parameters: {},                                                             onSuccess:clearResponse.bind(this)
Mar 02 22:33:35 <dwc-> lso clear the opensearch files downloaded
Mar 03 01:32:10 <destinal> is there any way to charge a totally dead touchpad from a PC or is the "plug me into a compatible charger message" basically the end (it seems to be)
Mar 03 01:37:49 <EricBlade1> let it sit for a long time
Mar 03 01:37:57 <EricBlade1> if you have a higher-output port, use that
Mar 03 01:38:11 <EricBlade1> the front ports on my board are 900mAh power output
Mar 03 01:41:56 <dwc-> I've not been able to charge a "use a compatible charger" touchpad from anything but a touchpad charger -- the 1A phone charger and PC USB ports never seem to do it
Mar 03 01:44:32 <edude03> dwc- FWIW the TP charger is 2A though
Mar 03 01:45:14 <dwc-> exactly
Mar 03 02:06:31 <EricBlade1> it'll eventually get there. it just takes a loooooong time
Mar 03 02:06:43 <EricBlade1> turn the screen off whem it's powered up too, that'll help
Mar 03 02:51:36 <dwc-> I thought it turned itself off and went back to not-charging
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