**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 14 02:59:58 2012 Mar 14 03:06:41 Anyone have a link to the style guidelines for icons Mar 14 03:07:43 Never mind Mar 14 04:13:30 Anyone here familiar with node.js Mar 14 10:36:01 Hi - been trying to get a prototype Touchpad refreshed with WebDoctor 3.0.0 dut keep getting told my device is not compatible - metadoctor not seeming to do the trick .. anyone got any ideas? Mar 14 15:19:58 so I rebooted my touchpad into android again today (first time in several weeks) Mar 14 15:20:01 it was disappointing Mar 14 15:20:05 I'm rebooting :) Mar 14 15:20:08 bigbluehat: it almost always is Mar 14 15:20:26 I feel the same way, I want to like ICS, it's loads better than 2.x Mar 14 15:20:32 but... I just can't Mar 14 15:20:40 yeah, I'm using 2.3 atm Mar 14 15:20:44 or rather, I have it installed :) Mar 14 15:20:52 you might try cm9 Mar 14 15:20:58 yeah. I will soon, probably Mar 14 15:21:01 still love webos tho Mar 14 15:21:08 trying to get my head around what it's missing tho Mar 14 15:21:13 (besides netflix ;) ) Mar 14 15:21:14 you'll at least then be currently disappointed Mar 14 15:21:23 what webOS is missing? Mar 14 15:21:23 I currently mostly use it for email :( Mar 14 15:21:28 yeah Mar 14 15:21:37 good point on ICS :) Mar 14 15:22:34 it's missing a few things: a) corporate backing/support b) a compelling reason for developers to build innovative apps Mar 14 15:23:01 are those fixable :) Mar 14 15:23:07 meaning, by people in this channel :) Mar 14 15:23:12 if enyo can get a hold on android/ios developers minds, b becomes a non-issue Mar 14 15:23:29 (not the only way, obviously( Mar 14 15:23:34 s/(/)/ Mar 14 15:23:58 yeah…how 'bout working with the Phonegap OS project too, maybe Mar 14 15:24:10 now that it's at Apache Mar 14 15:24:16 Phonegap OS? Mar 14 15:24:18 also, having a web-browesable app catalog Mar 14 15:24:21 open source Mar 14 15:24:25 Cordiva, iirc Mar 14 15:24:31 previously Apache Callback Mar 14 15:24:37 oh, open source Mar 14 15:24:45 I thought you meant operating system Mar 14 15:24:45 :) yeah, sorry Mar 14 15:24:54 XP means Cross Platform Mar 14 15:24:57 when I say it ;) Mar 14 15:25:02 sorry Cordova Mar 14 15:25:05 http://incubator.apache.org/cordova/ Mar 14 15:25:17 or eXtreme Programming, I guess Mar 14 15:25:19 anyway Mar 14 15:25:31 making Cordova apps a "shoe in" to the app catalog is important Mar 14 15:25:41 also getting Titanium ones in would be helpful Mar 14 15:25:51 basically reaching out to anyone who's building "cross platform" mobile things Mar 14 15:26:01 and getting them to add webOS support—or adding it ourselves Mar 14 15:26:24 additionally, know that HP truly cares (or some other vendor steps up to the plate…though that'll be very late this year at best) Mar 14 15:26:28 would go along way too Mar 14 15:26:40 it can't be that hard to ensure that everything built in cordova gets auto-built for webOS can it? Mar 14 15:27:23 well, there is a phonegap webos compatible layer Mar 14 15:27:34 but they aren't app catalog compat Mar 14 15:27:34 right Mar 14 15:27:38 oh Mar 14 15:27:40 due to weird namespacing issues Mar 14 15:27:44 org.palm.vibrator Mar 14 15:27:46 or some such Mar 14 15:28:02 so "standard" or common API locations would be helpful Mar 14 15:28:11 also jumping in on the WebRT project would be good Mar 14 15:29:03 all it takes is time and effort Mar 14 15:29:10 and I have no time Mar 14 15:29:20 :) Mar 14 15:29:23 heh, me neither :-P Mar 14 15:29:30 at least not as much as I want Mar 14 15:30:11 also the webos related layoffs were disturbing... Mar 14 15:30:21 WebRT fwiw: http://incubator.apache.org/cordova/ Mar 14 15:30:23 bah Mar 14 15:30:28 clipboard fale Mar 14 15:30:41 https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Apps/WebRT Mar 14 15:30:56 sadly webOS isn't even in the list on that wiki page :( Mar 14 15:31:22 anyway, I've got to get my head back into this UI code :-P Mar 14 15:31:32 tnx for the chat summatusmentis Mar 14 15:32:24 of course Mar 14 17:39:28 *huge* pet peeve with "Add an Account" Mar 14 17:39:44 setup new mail account, and you're given a "cancel" button where a "done" button usually is Mar 14 17:39:50 tap it out of habit…nearly every time Mar 14 17:40:28 is this something that could be fixed with a Tweak? Mar 14 17:44:25 bigbluehat, not a tweak, but possibly a patch Mar 14 17:45:09 RagingMind: hmm…what's the differences Mar 14 17:45:14 doesn't Tweaks manage patches? Mar 14 17:45:51 hrmmm…you can also only change the Outgoing Mail Server port if you have authentication turned on :( Mar 14 17:47:13 tweaks is a UI to manage values in patches that are specifically designed for it Mar 14 17:47:21 got it Mar 14 17:47:25 so what's a "tweak"? Mar 14 17:47:44 for something like swapping buttons, it would just be a plain patch (if the part of the app in question is patchable) Mar 14 17:48:52 ah...interesting Mar 14 17:49:01 any good write ups on all this? Mar 14 17:49:30 I'm eager for an Issues/Tickets system for these apps :) Mar 14 17:50:28 if there's not a page in the webos internals wiki or the webosnation forums... next best option is to google the brains of the people in #webos-internals Mar 14 17:51:05 gotcha Mar 14 17:51:08 thanks RagingMind Mar 14 17:51:44 also (while you're here ;) ) do you know of anyone building open source Synergy account connector things? :) Mar 14 17:52:34 I've seen a few different people talk about such a thing in here and *-internals, but it didn't sound like there was much head-way being made Mar 14 17:53:02 hrm... Mar 14 17:53:02 k Mar 14 17:53:08 really wanting to get to building on for Flickr Mar 14 17:53:15 my clock just seems to spin too fast Mar 14 18:00:57 10:45 < bigbluehat> hrmmm…you can also only change the Outgoing Mail Server port if you have authentication turned on :( Mar 14 18:01:13 please tell me that's not your server running around allowing unauthenticated smtp relaying :( Mar 14 18:01:43 also re: synergy, I know a handful of people have tried to make some, but I don't know of any that did Mar 14 18:01:44 haha, I don't think so Mar 14 18:01:50 I was turning it off to test my setup Mar 14 18:02:25 dwc-: really? are they just hard to make? Mar 14 18:02:33 I think the documentation is just poor Mar 14 18:02:39 a very quick scan of the plaxo one looked easy-ish Mar 14 18:02:40 hrm Mar 14 18:02:52 also odd that the plaxo one isn't easily installable somewhere Mar 14 18:02:55 if you're into a little reverse engineering, I've been tempted to buy one of the existing synergy extensions in the app catalog just so I could grab and take apart the .ipk Mar 14 18:02:57 at least not that I've found Mar 14 18:03:07 hmm…haven't seen any Mar 14 18:03:23 at least the links to "find more in the catalog" have turned up no results Mar 14 18:04:13 dwc-: what are some you've seen/used? Mar 14 18:04:33 oh, that's interesting... there's a GVoice in my "add an account" ... Mar 14 18:04:35 * dwc- pokes EricBlade Mar 14 18:04:39 ah :0 Mar 14 18:04:40 :) Mar 14 18:04:59 guess that might come up in the list if I were adding the "right" type of account Mar 14 18:05:05 I'm trying to remember ... iirc, the "accounts" pane one doesn't work Mar 14 18:05:24 but I've seen it when I added an account from one of the built-in apps .... Mar 14 18:08:08 dwc-: is there a place (besides webosnation.com forums) that people are tracking wish list style requests/ideas? Mar 14 18:08:51 "synergy" brings up 8 apps that don't seem to do anything with Synergy Mar 14 18:08:54 or at least not much Mar 14 18:10:02 alright one last question :) Mar 14 18:10:10 is the App Catalog tweakable/patchable? Mar 14 18:10:38 I want to make the sidebar with Developer's Apps button (and friends) "sticky" in landscape Mar 14 18:10:44 no need to scroll that thing Mar 14 18:21:42 dwc-: ow. what? Mar 14 18:24:39 we were discussing the feasibility of creating (and lack of existing) Synergy transport/connector/things Mar 14 18:28:06 the problem is that only the calendar and contacts sides are documented Mar 14 18:28:21 ah... Mar 14 18:28:29 bother... Mar 14 18:29:22 if someone takes apart the code that's up on webos internals for the synergy messenger plugins and manages to figure out how those are called, we might be able to draw some inferences to the javascript interface, if there is actually one like they claim Mar 14 18:30:30 i have managed to register GVoice as both a Messaging and a Phone interface, and I know how to get it's messages into the messaging app .. but i'm missing at least one or two important parts of it Mar 14 18:34:19 sounds complicated :/ Mar 14 18:34:30 Synergy's build on MojoDB, correct? Mar 14 18:34:43 any chance some of that will be "exposed" during the MojoDB "opening" this month? Mar 14 18:35:44 actually, getting the whole thing registered wasn't that big of a deal, once you figured out which incantations were required Mar 14 18:36:09 i was kind of shocked that it let me register it as a phone app, too. although the app catalog wouldnt let me submit that with it still in Mar 14 18:37:42 basically, i think i'm missing one important callback function somewhere -- if you have no other messaging accounts configured, except a GVoice account, when you open the messenger, it will say "You have no accounts configured" and bring up the accounts list - where it clearly shows GVoice as a configured account Mar 14 20:21:35 * DougReeder waves hello Mar 14 20:42:17 * PatrickC will possibly work for webOS nation soon Mar 14 20:42:23 hey DougReeder Mar 14 20:42:42 Howdy! Mar 14 20:42:55 hows it goni? Mar 14 20:42:58 goin* Mar 14 20:43:45 http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/zpuyqq/upright-citizens-brigade-ass-pennies Mar 14 20:43:47 i love the banner Mar 14 20:43:53 PLEASE ADD A 960x125 BANNER IMAGE FOR THIS SERIES IN ISIS!! Mar 14 20:45:48 Fairly well. Yourself? Mar 14 20:45:48 hey dawm_ Mar 14 20:45:50 long time no see Mar 14 20:45:59 DougReeder, good.. just sent in an email to work for webOS Nation Mar 14 20:46:00 not really.. im always in here heh Mar 14 20:46:17 well, long time since ive seen u :P Mar 14 20:46:26 yeah been busy Mar 14 20:46:41 same here Mar 14 20:46:50 starting a new project... Mar 14 20:46:59 i havent touched code in ages Mar 14 20:47:04 lol Mar 14 20:47:12 how did Ailium ever turn out? Mar 14 20:47:21 or what ever the name was :P Mar 14 20:47:34 thats the name but i never did much else Mar 14 20:48:07 that stinks :/ Mar 14 20:49:15 coding is fun :) Mar 14 20:49:17 lol Mar 14 20:49:38 Ah, yeah - though they don't have a lot of material at present. Mar 14 20:51:37 i like Enyo 2 Mar 14 20:51:42 thats what im gonna use to build my new app Mar 14 20:54:05 Not easy at present, with so few widgets. Mar 14 21:34:43 hey dkirker ! Mar 14 21:38:04 good job, patrick! Mar 14 21:38:11 on? Mar 14 21:38:32 chasing off dkirker Mar 14 21:38:35 lol Mar 14 22:37:15 http://www.webosnation.com/hp-open-source-chunks-webos-305-community-edition Mar 14 22:38:55 I'm hoping wpa_supplicant gets released Mar 14 23:13:53 wrea: isn't it already? Mar 14 23:14:14 Nope Mar 14 23:14:15 huh. guess not. Mar 14 23:14:54 dual-licensing ftw Mar 14 23:14:59 Yeah Mar 14 23:15:10 that gives them the prerogative not to Mar 14 23:15:33 Sure does. Which is why I'm not holding my breath Mar 14 23:15:49 what did you want to do with it? Mar 14 23:15:59 I'd be surprised if they had to change much Mar 14 23:17:23 It's been sicne Sept, but as far as I can remember I traced it to why adhoc is limited Mar 14 23:18:07 since* Mar 15 00:03:11 Anybody here use T-Mobile's MMS-Email stuff? It doesn't behave like it does on other devices, and I'm wondering if that's normal. Mar 15 00:05:33 which direction is that Mar 15 00:05:50 I assume you took care of the APN-related stuff for MMS? Mar 15 00:08:57 Both sending and receiving are acting differently. I did some poking around with the APN settings, but there's a lot of conflicting settings out there, none of which seemed to change it. On my other devices, the reply would come back with the "From" field being the email, now they're coming back as a 4-digit number. Mar 15 00:09:21 And sending's "odd" in that it doesn't have all the T-Mobile branding in the email. Mar 15 00:12:46 ahhh... I don't sms much and mms even less Mar 15 00:13:26 and I have a data plan now, so I just email email instead of sms-email Mar 15 00:13:37 I'm not sure I've ever tried mms'ing stuff Mar 15 00:13:44 via the email gateway Mar 15 00:18:16 Yeah... I'm guessing not a lot of people do, with how few results are coming up when I try to find other people having problems with it. Mar 15 00:45:13 I think a lot of peopel with smartphones don't mms anymore, they instagram and twitter it Mar 15 00:50:52 Yeah. I'm too cheap for a data plan, though. Mar 15 00:53:34 izzy84075: I use straight talk with pre3, but haven't tried MMS Mar 15 00:54:36 interesting, this "community edition" project http://www.webosnation.com/hp-open-source-chunks-webos-305-community-edition I'm really glad they're open sourcing what they can of 3.x Mar 15 01:17:37 Hm. I thought the Pixi Plus came with the touchstone back... Or am I remembering stuff wrong? Mar 15 01:56:41 * DougReeder waves hello Mar 15 02:12:31 izzy84075: nope, comes with a regular back, you can get TS back for them seperately Mar 15 02:31:33 DougReeder: it's quiet.. too quiet Mar 15 02:40:52 It's usually quiet here, these days. Mar 15 02:53:55 dun dun dunnn Mar 15 02:56:48 Sneak attack! Mar 15 02:57:34 sharks! sharks everywhere! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 15 02:59:58 2012