**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 03 02:59:58 2012
Apr 03 13:18:06 <EricBlade> my gf yesterday said "i wish my touchpad could change between webos and android -on the fly-".  I picked up her TouchPad, saw that it was in webOS, and handed her the Android touchpad.  i said ok, there you go.  and to switch back, just replace this oneo n the touchstone with that one.
Apr 03 14:25:32 <summatusmentis> EricBlade: switching devices is not the same thing. Some of us are _very_ protective of other people touching our electronics :)
Apr 03 14:54:26 <baboo> daddy, there are more webos channels in parenthises
Apr 03 14:58:52 <EricBlade> o.o
Apr 03 14:59:19 <hotdp> O~O
Apr 03 16:00:23 <dwc-> EricBlade: virtualized tablets!
Apr 03 16:17:38 <EricBlade> no no real tablets
Apr 03 16:18:18 <halfhalo> duct tape two touchpads together.  problem solved
Apr 03 16:19:40 <summatusmentis> dwc-: did you see the vmware prototype (last year maybe?) of virtualization on mobile devices?
Apr 03 16:22:21 <dwc-> nope. wouldn't be surprised though.  BYOD seems to be popular, for instance
Apr 03 16:26:45 <summatusmentis> indeed, and that was their intended use-case, BYOD, but use a work-accepted VM for work things
Apr 03 22:11:50 <PatrickC> hey all
Apr 03 22:33:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> woah, blast from the past in here, haha
Apr 03 23:43:18 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD!!
Apr 03 23:43:25 <PatrickC> brb
Apr 03 23:48:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> PatrickC_Away: kk
Apr 04 00:12:38 <fxspec06> IGNTNUNLMTD: traitor.
Apr 04 00:12:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-(
Apr 04 00:12:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I still have a TouchPad
Apr 04 00:12:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-P
Apr 04 00:13:16 <fxspec06> yes, with android on it. and you never boot into webos any more =(((
Apr 04 00:14:30 <RagingMind> fxspec06, I think we can deal with this.  Shall I fetch the townspeople and some pitchforks? ;)
Apr 04 00:16:17 <fxspec06> no, that's not enough. we need more than just townspeople and pitchforks this time.
Apr 04 00:16:41 <fxspec06> we need......
Apr 04 00:16:45 * fxspec06 barbara streissand
Apr 04 00:28:35 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD, hows it goin man??
Apr 04 00:28:39 <PatrickC> long time no see!
Apr 04 00:28:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Hey!
Apr 04 00:28:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06: still running webOS! ^_^
Apr 04 00:29:06 <PatrickC> i have some questions for u.. PM?
Apr 04 00:29:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'd NEVER touch Android
Apr 04 00:29:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sure!
Apr 04 00:29:31 <summatusmentis> but... but... Android has Draw Something
Apr 04 00:29:39 <PatrickC> and Instagram!
Apr 04 00:35:42 <summatusmentis> not on the TouchPad
Apr 04 00:41:50 <PatrickC> we get Ares 2.0 this month... WOO!
Apr 04 00:45:38 <fxspec06> and sace
Apr 04 00:45:43 <fxspec06> space
Apr 04 00:45:50 <fxspec06> my p key is wrecked
Apr 04 00:45:59 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 04 00:46:05 <PatrickC> phone/laptop?
Apr 04 00:54:08 <fxspec06> no, this is my normal computer.
Apr 04 00:54:39 <fxspec06> the whole row with brackets doesn't work, starting with the letter p moving right, about 20% of the time
Apr 04 00:55:01 <PatrickC> lol...
Apr 04 00:55:10 <PuffTheMagic> yay! ares, make apps for a platform that is half way down the drain holding on the rim
Apr 04 00:55:52 <fxspec06> what ever happened to ares 2.0
Apr 04 00:56:02 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, you sound like you dont believe in webOS anymore? and Ares 2.0 should use Enyo 2.0, which would be fully cross-platform
Apr 04 00:56:22 <PatrickC> fxspec06, on deck to release this month sometime according to http://www.openwebosproject.org/
Apr 04 00:56:47 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, i believe in webos, as in its a great os, I also believe openwebos is going nowhere
Apr 04 00:57:06 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, but enyo 2.0 will (imo)
Apr 04 00:57:11 <PuffTheMagic> so what
Apr 04 00:57:12 <fxspec06> lol
Apr 04 00:57:15 <PuffTheMagic> thats not webos
Apr 04 00:57:19 <PatrickC> which is what ares 2 will be all about
Apr 04 00:57:30 <PuffTheMagic> who cares about ares
Apr 04 00:57:30 <fxspec06> realistically, webos is still ___ here
Apr 04 00:57:31 <PatrickC> hence my excitedness about ares2
Apr 04 00:57:36 <fxspec06> we need it to be ^^^ up here
Apr 04 00:57:42 <PuffTheMagic> if you cant make an app, ares wont help you
Apr 04 00:57:45 <fxspec06> it's not even --- here
Apr 04 00:58:01 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, it will help with layout
Apr 04 00:58:07 <fxspec06> calling it ___ here is being generous, too because it has practically zero marketshare.
Apr 04 00:58:31 <fxspec06> but i like it, so i use it. and that's webos.
Apr 04 00:58:39 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, how does it help with layout
Apr 04 00:58:41 <dawm_> funny
Apr 04 00:58:48 <dawm_> gonna pick up another neon tomorrow
Apr 04 00:58:52 <PuffTheMagic> u think its gonna magically tell you where to put your controls?
Apr 04 00:58:56 <PatrickC> drag and drop seems to me that it would be easier then regular
Apr 04 00:58:56 <dawm_> the color is Strawberry Red Metallic
Apr 04 00:59:00 <dawm_> paint code is PRE
Apr 04 00:59:20 <fxspec06> drag and drop doesn't make you code better
Apr 04 00:59:21 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, drag and drop does not help you design anything
Apr 04 00:59:32 <fxspec06> you still need to know how to code
Apr 04 00:59:36 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, no... but im sure that when i needed to set up an iframe inside of a popup and get it to size right
Apr 04 00:59:36 <fxspec06> plus a layout only goes so far
Apr 04 00:59:37 <PuffTheMagic> and design
Apr 04 00:59:49 <fxspec06> you still need stuff in the layout
Apr 04 00:59:52 <PatrickC> fxspec06, i understand.. just like ares 1. but drag and drop makes the initial coding easier
Apr 04 00:59:54 <PatrickC> imo
Apr 04 01:00:00 <fxspec06> you can't just release a layout as an app
Apr 04 01:00:06 <PatrickC> fxspec06, i know
Apr 04 01:00:10 <PatrickC> but it makes it faster
Apr 04 01:00:17 <fxspec06> faster for who?
Apr 04 01:00:21 <PuffTheMagic> faster to suck
Apr 04 01:00:30 <fxspec06> i could write a layout faster than you could drag and drop it
Apr 04 01:00:36 <fxspec06> on a pen and paper
Apr 04 01:00:36 <bnceo`> kinda excited for Ares 2
Apr 04 01:00:58 <fxspec06> in cursive. in spanish.
Apr 04 01:10:49 <kidas> anyone switched to developing for droid win phone
Apr 04 01:11:18 <kidas> droid or win phone
Apr 04 01:12:15 <PatrickC> i did.. kinda..
Apr 04 01:12:18 <PatrickC> using Enyo 2.0
Apr 04 01:16:34 <bnceo`> deving for webos is too much
Apr 04 01:16:37 <kidas> man it is amazing how nice cm9 runs on the touchpad. those guys are good
Apr 04 01:16:50 <bnceo`> besides, I'm such a non programmer or designer that I can't switch platforms on the wim
Apr 04 01:16:59 <kidas> i find enyo to be just slow
Apr 04 01:17:02 <bnceo`> are the CM9 guys still on alpha on the touchpad?
Apr 04 01:17:02 <PatrickC> bnceo`, thats why i like enyo :)
Apr 04 01:17:12 <bnceo`> or is it alpha in name only, but really beta
Apr 04 01:17:20 <PatrickC> bnceo`, it is more of a beta imo
Apr 04 01:17:29 <bnceo`> ya. preping my touchpad for it now
Apr 04 01:17:44 <bnceo`> actually, going to do a fresh install of webos and then put CM9 on it
Apr 04 01:17:55 <kidas> the daily build is much better
Apr 04 01:19:14 <kidas>  i have not boot webos in a while. tried it the other day but had to go back
Apr 04 01:20:18 <kidas> you know something is wrong when a hacked on os runs better than the native os
Apr 04 01:26:24 <bnceo`> got a link to the daily build?
Apr 04 01:26:30 <bnceo`> PM me actually
Apr 04 01:29:45 <kidas> http://techerrata.com/browse/nightly_kangs/tenderloin
Apr 04 01:30:17 <PuffTheMagic> kidas, anything not work that is a showstopper?
Apr 04 01:30:21 <PuffTheMagic> any app issues?
Apr 04 01:31:03 <kidas> works great. cant think of anything
Apr 04 01:31:15 <kidas> battery life is great
Apr 04 01:31:35 <PuffTheMagic> im getting close to ditching webos on my phone
Apr 04 01:31:50 <PuffTheMagic> the pixi is getting "old"
Apr 04 01:31:53 <kidas> no camera but i never used that so don't care
Apr 04 01:31:57 <bnceo`> kidas: are the nightly builds easy to install like the regular version being used?
Apr 04 01:32:08 <kidas> pixi been old
Apr 04 01:32:12 <bnceo`> I've gone with a combo if the veer and gs2 skyrocket
Apr 04 01:32:19 <kidas> even when it launched
Apr 04 01:32:23 <bnceo`> and pre3 once in a while. god I love sim card tech
Apr 04 01:32:49 <kidas> i dumped the pre in 2010
Apr 04 01:33:13 <kidas> loved it at first then hated it
Apr 04 01:34:21 <bnceo`> so yeah kidas: how easy is it to install the nightly builds
Apr 04 01:34:44 <kidas> same process
Apr 04 01:35:00 <bnceo`> just dump the nightly build zip file in the cminstall folder instead of the alpha one?
Apr 04 01:35:30 <kidas> you can always update to a newer buim if you like using clock work mod
Apr 04 01:35:38 <kidas> bui
Apr 04 01:35:46 <kidas> build
Apr 04 01:35:53 <bnceo`> got it
Apr 04 01:35:54 <bnceo`> that works
Apr 04 01:35:55 <bnceo`> I'll do that
Apr 04 01:36:25 <bnceo`> man, I really want a panda touchpad
Apr 04 01:36:29 <bnceo`> would be so epic to have
Apr 04 01:36:39 <bnceo`> might have to splurge on one when I get a raise
Apr 04 01:37:10 <PatrickC> \lol
Apr 04 01:37:15 <PatrickC> i want a TP go
Apr 04 01:37:20 <PatrickC> or a panda pre3
Apr 04 01:37:52 <bnceo`> there's a panda pre3?
Apr 04 01:37:54 <bnceo`> wowz0rs!
Apr 04 01:39:05 <PatrickC> http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/13/2559431/hp-touchstone-audio-dock-white-pre-3-pictures
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