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Apr 18 03:04:37 <wrea> I know of people who've wanted replacement devices before, so I mentioned it
Apr 18 03:04:49 <wrea> Not my place to tell people what to get or not get
Apr 18 03:06:10 <invalidopcode> wrea just stalks this channel and inputs small pieces of information randomly :P
Apr 18 03:06:30 <wrea> Sorry :P
Apr 18 03:07:13 * invalidopcode wishes he could more like wrea
Apr 18 03:07:18 <invalidopcode> *be more like
Apr 18 03:07:23 <wrea> rofl
Apr 18 03:07:30 <invalidopcode> :P
Apr 18 03:07:32 <wrea> You must be high
Apr 18 03:07:42 <invalidopcode> im not that tall :P
Apr 18 03:08:07 <izzy84075> I just recently got a Pixi. It's a great improvement over a G1.
Apr 18 04:07:26 <EricBlade> wrea hmm.. how good of a deal is it?
Apr 18 04:07:52 <wrea> $55 shipped
Apr 18 04:11:19 <EricBlade> that doesn't feel like such a good deal when I got my Pre2 for that.  but then, that was practically highway robbery
Apr 18 04:16:47 <kimo> 55 for a pre 2
Apr 18 04:19:54 <PatrickC> hey invalidopcode
Apr 18 04:22:04 <invalidopcode> hey
Apr 18 04:24:07 <EricBlade> kimo, yeah it was a sick deal, guy had a half dozen touchpads, and a few pres and a pre 2 .. a friend of mine bought has last touchpad, and i got his pre2 ..
Apr 18 04:24:21 <PatrickC> nice
Apr 18 04:26:04 <PatrickC> EricBlade: how goes the plugin? :) i saw on twitter that it was coming good?
Apr 18 04:27:22 <EricBlade> well as soon as we get two people able to both send -and- receive, we'll finally be at a point where we can see it really work
Apr 18 04:27:42 <PatrickC> im always available to help test :)
Apr 18 04:27:44 <PatrickC> hehe
Apr 18 04:31:03 <baboo> goodnight
Apr 18 04:40:24 <dawm> hrm..
Apr 18 04:40:34 <dawm> http://www.dipyourcar.com
Apr 18 04:40:51 <dawm> $225 for a kit to do the whole car
Apr 18 08:25:30 <EricBlade> http://i.stack.imgur.com/jMHoE.jpg
Apr 18 09:44:01 <EricBlade> am i missing something fundamental, or is there no way to change the alert tones used in webOS?
Apr 18 09:44:56 <EricBlade> i guess i did miss something fundamental. it's in the various apps
Apr 18 12:30:22 <rom1dep> hi there ! I know it's probably not the good place to ask for that, but I'm about to send back my pre³ to my reseller because of big problems with it (it randomly reboots when I receive/start a call)
Apr 18 12:30:31 <rom1dep> I doctored it twice
Apr 18 12:32:35 <rom1dep> so I fear a HW problem... but maybe  someone here has a magical fix to try or a crazy idea to test before my packet is sent back ?
Apr 18 20:11:17 <orin656> I wonder how HP was concinced to buy Palm
Apr 18 20:12:45 <orin656> Orakle considered buying Palm but realized that the software was not competitive. I'm wonderign who convinced HP that it was
Apr 18 20:12:55 <orin656> Oracle
Apr 18 20:13:07 <cwayne> thank god Oracle didn't but it
Apr 18 20:13:34 <orin656> thank god HP bought it then killed it then
Apr 18 23:41:47 <destinal> cwayne: yes Oracle buying Palm would actually be much worse than the current scenario
Apr 18 23:43:11 <destinal> with open sourcing webos it has a shot at a bright future, with Larry owning it I could see it getting very locked down and the palm patents used in any number of lawsuits against open source stuff instead
Apr 18 23:48:19 <DraX> also, it would have been turnd into a j2me device
Apr 18 23:52:45 <wrea> Larry couldnt even say if Java was free or not under oath
Apr 19 00:04:36 <dwc-> couldn't, or wouldn't
Apr 19 00:07:38 <wrea> Seems are though couldn't.
Apr 19 00:12:20 <wrea> Stumbled on the question
Apr 19 00:12:46 <wrea> Cant find the link and its pretty fuzzy to me now, read it when i got up at 4am
Apr 19 00:49:42 <haeffb> hello #webos
Apr 19 01:01:17 <destinal> haeffb: hey
Apr 19 01:20:52 <haeffb> what's up these days?
Apr 19 01:29:27 <invalidopcode> haeffb: stuff
Apr 19 01:29:42 <fxspec06_> hola
Apr 19 01:29:42 <haeffb> neat
Apr 19 01:30:27 <haeffb> anyone still developing for webos?
Apr 19 01:31:14 <fxspec06_> kinda sorta yes and no
Apr 19 01:31:26 <fxspec06_> i have a half completed project
Apr 19 01:32:04 <haeffb> that's better than a no completed project
Apr 19 01:32:22 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1 and i have been working on deciphering how synergy messaging plugins work
Apr 19 01:35:43 <fxspec06_> yeah, it's something. and it's in enyo 2.0, so that's a plus
Apr 19 01:37:56 <fxspec06_> i'll just be happy when this semester's over and i have a chance to work on it
Apr 19 01:41:33 <destinal> invalidopcode: cool, are you documenting it?  it would be awesome to have on the wiki
Apr 19 01:41:46 <destinal> (webos-internals one that is0
Apr 19 02:01:11 <invalidopcode> destinal: i have not been personally, i think EricBlade1 might be, though if he isn't then I will
Apr 19 02:21:54 <destinal> invalidopcode: awesome -- those of us who are trying to create awesome stuff for webos and still aren't giving up on it should collaborate IMO, we'll get a lot more done
Apr 19 02:22:47 <destinal> maybe if we can come up with some really impressive solutions for things that wouldn't be common on android or iOS more people will continue to be excited about webos and its future
Apr 19 02:23:06 <invalidopcode> yeah that would be pretty awesome
Apr 19 02:23:14 <invalidopcode> are you a dev?
Apr 19 02:23:45 <destinal> invalidopcode: yeah, core team of webOS internals
Apr 19 02:25:55 <invalidopcode> destinal: cool! honestly, i've always found synergy very interesting and there really isn't anything like it on with android or ios yet
Apr 19 02:26:02 <destinal> invalidopcode: so what kinds of things are you looking at making for synergy messsaging?   google voice stuff, I imagine to start?
Apr 19 02:27:26 <invalidopcode> destinal: yeah, right now i've been helping EricBlade get his google voice stuff working but eventually i would like to make a plugin to get facebook chat working
Apr 19 02:27:50 <destinal> ah yeah facebook chat is a big one people talk about
Apr 19 02:28:12 <invalidopcode> yeah.. its probably more of a kid thing, but it would be nice to have
Apr 19 02:28:41 <invalidopcode> also, with that it would be nice to open it up to custom xmpp chats
Apr 19 02:28:43 <destinal> TBH one less thing people can complain, oh but it can't do this or that one thing.. would be great
Apr 19 02:29:11 <invalidopcode> yeah true
Apr 19 02:29:12 <destinal> Maybe I shouldn't feel like I have something to prove but I'd like to close all those gaps
Apr 19 02:30:00 <destinal> or as many as I can anyway
Apr 19 02:30:00 <invalidopcode> yeah me too, honestly i have android installed and i keep switching to it, so I'm trying to look for features i could add so I don't need to switch back
Apr 19 02:30:26 <invalidopcode> one gap I really want to fill is the lack of push notifications
Apr 19 02:30:51 <destinal> yeah there was this pubsubapi in the 1.0x days, I guess it never actually came to be?
Apr 19 02:31:32 <invalidopcode> what did the pubsubapi do? i wasn't around in the 1.0x as an active dev yet
Apr 19 02:31:49 <destinal> well Palm talked about it and had some documentation and examples but I don't think it ever really worked
Apr 19 02:32:10 <destinal> was intended to let a cloud service send messages back to palm cloud which were pushed back to device
Apr 19 02:32:52 <destinal> not sure what the killer app for this is
Apr 19 02:32:56 <invalidopcode> ah ok. i was building a client to the boxcar.io service, but i've been having problems with it lately
Apr 19 02:33:30 <destinal> can you explain to me a quick use case, ie what great things you can do with it?
Apr 19 02:33:48 <invalidopcode> do with what? boxcar.io?
Apr 19 02:34:02 <destinal> yeah
Apr 19 02:34:30 <destinal> is it just twitter updates?
Apr 19 02:34:53 <invalidopcode> its a service were you can login and add a bunch of information sources (facebook, gvoice, twitter, email, etc) and then it sends you notifications for them
Apr 19 02:35:01 <destinal> ah ok
Apr 19 02:35:17 <invalidopcode> http://boxcar.io/
Apr 19 02:35:57 <invalidopcode> i had it working, but a couple months ago i had other projects i needed to work on and when i came back to it, it was broken
Apr 19 02:36:11 <destinal> hmm maybe client API changes
Apr 19 02:36:41 <invalidopcode> yeah, i think they might have shut down their websocket server, which is how i was connecting to it
Apr 19 02:36:57 <invalidopcode> i'm going to hopefully email them soon about it
Apr 19 02:37:32 <destinal> well even if they don't want to help, should be possible to reverse engineer how the android app talks these days
Apr 19 02:38:41 <invalidopcode> true.... but they haven't released the android version yet
Apr 19 02:38:59 <destinal> oh well iOS then I guess, for that need an actual iPhone or iPad touch I guess
Apr 19 02:39:25 <invalidopcode> yeah, someone else would need to help me with that then, because I don't own either
Apr 19 02:41:15 <invalidopcode> destinal: so do you know of any other major gaps that people are looking for?
Apr 19 02:41:35 <destinal> invalidopcode: well netflix of course but it's proprietary and would be really challenging to reverse engineer
Apr 19 02:42:00 <invalidopcode> well yeah... that a little beyond my expertise right now :P
Apr 19 02:42:07 <invalidopcode> *that's
Apr 19 02:42:52 <destinal> I think I'd like to work on a google play app.  something that can you can use google's services to buy music and ebooks
Apr 19 02:43:09 <destinal> and actually a better open source reader would be nice
Apr 19 02:43:24 <DraX> are any of the Play APIs actually open?
Apr 19 02:43:26 <invalidopcode> a nice epub reader would be really nice
Apr 19 02:43:38 <invalidopcode> like take the kindle app and add epub
Apr 19 02:43:52 <destinal> DraX: probably not, probably would require reverse engineering there as well
Apr 19 02:43:57 <DraX> yup
Apr 19 02:44:44 <destinal> invalidopcode: so yeah kindle unfortunately doesn't work on webos 2.x.  I wonder if anyone has tried to put 3.x on pre3  :)
Apr 19 02:45:28 <invalidopcode> destinal: ah ok... sorry I wasn't thinking phones, my work has been mainly focused on the touchpad
Apr 19 02:46:14 <destinal> yeah I figured, I also want to port webos to phones eventually once code is out
Apr 19 02:47:32 <destinal> right now I use pre3 and my daughter uses pixi+
Apr 19 02:47:45 <jtrucks> immortal on
Apr 19 02:50:18 <invalidopcode> destinal: ah very nice, yeah I can't wait for the code to come out and start being able to really tweak stuff
Apr 19 02:51:09 <invalidopcode> one thing i'd like to add to webos is something like the google adk for doing external device development
Apr 19 02:52:18 <invalidopcode> also... "progress notifications" like in android might be nice for watching downloads and installations
Apr 19 02:53:24 <destinal> so  by adk how do you mean?  something the sdk can't do currently?
Apr 19 02:55:18 <invalidopcode> destinal: yeah... adk = arduino / accessory development kit. it allows you to make apps that communicate with arduinos and other devices over the USB port
Apr 19 02:55:26 <invalidopcode> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/adk.html
Apr 19 02:56:42 <invalidopcode> but that would be kindof a pet project of mind since im pretty sure their wouldn't be much demand for it
Apr 19 02:56:45 <destinal> ah nice. so touchpad has host mode but sadly doesn't provide power over it, you need external power.  with bluetooth serial, however...
Apr 19 02:56:46 <invalidopcode> *mine
Apr 19 02:57:42 <destinal> alternatively the touchpad has a serial port on the audio pins too
Apr 19 02:57:45 <invalidopcode> actually, the adk specifies that the gadget that the device connects to needs to run as a usb host, the adk works on the touchpad in android :)
Apr 19 02:57:55 <destinal> oh really?
Apr 19 02:57:56 <invalidopcode> oooo it does??
Apr 19 02:58:11 <invalidopcode> yup
Apr 19 02:58:18 <destinal> invalidopcode: yeah I forget how you get at it, you have to reboot holding something down
Apr 19 02:58:58 <destinal> center button maybe or volume down
Apr 19 02:59:15 <destinal> anyway the kernel or bootie, I forget, remuxes the audio jack pins to a serial port
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