**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 03 03:00:01 2012 May 03 06:56:27 someone here? May 03 06:56:39 all bot? May 03 07:02:43 nop but usuallly quiet May 03 07:04:10 hp webOS != open webOS ? May 03 07:05:40 that's what we're waiting for May 03 07:08:28 i don't know well but it'll come out with less functionalities maybe? May 03 07:39:54 JunJi: why would you think Open webOS would be less functional than current webOS? May 03 07:40:01 current webOS = 3.0.5 etc, Open webOS 1.x basically = webOS 4.x May 03 07:40:27 there won't be two different things, Open webOS is the successor May 03 07:42:23 destinal: just heard that HP is modifying code to hide some features compared to the paid version but if this was a rumor I'll be happy too May 03 07:49:11 w8 May 03 07:49:24 HP webOS is running right? May 03 07:50:02 and Open webOS is coming right? May 03 07:51:04 I guess development is parallel May 03 07:51:38 not parallel May 03 07:52:04 o.0 May 03 07:52:36 the next version of webOS that would have been called webOS 4.0 is being called Open webOS 1.0 instead, it's a future release of the current OS and there will be no future non-open webOS May 03 07:52:59 I mean except for minor security patches or whatever May 03 07:53:49 HP is solely working on an open source future for webOS exclusive May 03 07:53:50 then HP webOS it's over? May 03 07:53:53 exclusively May 03 07:54:37 digdin: well I mean going forward webOS will still be primarily maintained by HP in addition to the community as an open source project May 03 07:54:58 Open webOS = webOS = HP webOS May 03 07:55:17 but 1.0 is the first "Open" version that would have been 4.0 May 03 07:55:50 but any non-open proprietary versions will be legacy May 03 07:56:10 have some device mobile that come with "Openg webOS 1.0"? May 03 07:57:11 digdin: not at first, at first I think it will be like Cyanogenmod is for android, people will load Open webOS on existing webOS devices and existing devices that work with Android or whatever May 03 07:57:23 so at first it will be "load your own" and it won't ship on anything May 03 07:58:02 eventually there could be devices which are sold as webOS devices and are shipped with Open webOS made by HP or made by other manufacturers but I haven't heard any announcements May 03 07:59:36 digdin: Initially I could see people running Open webOS on touchpad, galaxy nexus, galaxy tab, galaxy s-II ,galaxy s-III etc, maybe pre2, pre3 May 03 08:00:28 and basically whatever people want to port it to May 03 08:04:27 will change the architecture? May 03 08:04:57 this architecture "https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/overview_of_webos/overview_of_webos_palm_webos_architecture.html" to open webOS May 03 08:05:37 website of open webOS not show these information May 03 08:06:27 digdin: I think changes are relatively minor in terms of architecture, new db8 database core, Nyx rather than hidd for input May 03 08:06:37 new Linux Standard Kernel May 03 08:06:49 kernel 3.x? May 03 08:06:53 yes May 03 08:06:56 cool May 03 08:07:35 seems like promissing May 03 08:07:42 digdin: I know there will be documentation when Open webOS is released but it's still a few months away May 03 08:08:34 in the meantime they've released some components as open source but it's not enough to build a whole system with and lacks docs May 03 08:08:48 but see the roadmap for timeline May 03 08:09:07 will change mojo framework? May 03 08:10:12 Good question. Enyo has been the preferred framework since webOS 3.0 and it's commonly used now on webOS 1.x and webOS 2.x via software updates, Mojo's basically legacy, but I don't know whether or not there will be an open source release of Mojo to maintain compatibility with older apps. I hope so. May 03 08:10:24 anyway all new apps should be developed in Enyo May 03 08:11:31 Enyo seems like great May 03 08:11:39 I like js May 03 08:12:06 yeah, agreed I like enyo as well. Also Open webOS should continue like webOS 3.x and have a lot of its services written in node.js May 03 08:12:33 there are still some written in native code, c or c++ as well but node where possible / reasonable May 03 08:14:27 I'm asking because I'm studying some OS mobile. you are very helpful May 03 08:14:30 thx man May 03 08:14:35 =] May 03 08:15:11 digdin: you're welcome. I'm excited about Open webOS but agree that there's not much information available yet, I think all the developers are spending all their available time trying to get it finished and released at the moment May 03 08:16:30 but it's pretty clear that it's going to be a lot like webOS 3.x so if you play with what's currently there (even though a lot is not open source today) you'll have an idea. plus some of the source code is available already here May 03 08:16:32 https://github.com/openwebos/ May 03 08:16:35 for some components May 03 08:16:58 and check out http://openwebosproject.org/ if you haven't already May 03 08:18:18 I'll check May 03 08:25:05 destinal, I dont understand very well about kernels... Can I install webOS or android both in MIPS or ARM processors? May 03 08:27:31 digdin: if you have source code you could compile it for either one, so for webOS we would have to wait on the rest of the source code to try for a MIPS port if you were interested May 03 08:27:51 it may require some modifications but probably not too bad May 03 08:28:19 digdin: webOS for touchpad and pre, pre2, pre3, and so on is compiled for ARM (specifically ARMv6 if I recall correctly) May 03 08:31:15 if I modify the kernel to compile in mips, will work? (I do not understa about linux and kernels) May 03 08:32:08 digdin: so you would need to build not only a kernel but also the userland binaries (many of which we do not yet have source code for) for MIPS May 03 08:32:23 but when it's all released, yes, you could compile both kernel and userland binaries May 03 08:33:49 ok May 03 08:33:50 thx man May 03 08:33:53 =] May 03 08:34:39 I'll sleep now, in 3 hours I wake to work May 03 08:34:47 thx very much destinal =] May 03 08:48:21 digdin: you're welcome. good night May 03 23:08:03 http://www.webosnation.com/samsung-introduces-galaxy-s-iii-riverstone-shape-and-wireless-charging May 03 23:08:18 guess theres finally a new phone i like.. wireless charging! May 03 23:13:32 i saw someone mention the S3 coming with wireless charging.. i googled a bunch of articles about it, and not one of them mentioned it. May 03 23:14:04 apparently the S3 also likes to use it's front camera to figure out what you're doing with it, so it can determine lighting levels and stuff. scary stuff. May 03 23:20:23 i care not May 03 23:20:27 i hate my SG1 May 03 23:24:49 i fixed my mom's pre3 May 03 23:26:33 baboo: woot May 03 23:27:43 what? May 03 23:28:11 i don't understrand. :) May 03 23:29:20 baboo: heh in otherwords. congratulations, nice job :) May 03 23:30:07 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woot May 03 23:47:01 thank you! May 03 23:49:56 baboo: still working on your pig latin app? May 03 23:54:25 yeah, i need for it to translate the other way **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 04 02:59:59 2012